It's extremely comfortable and a worthy upgrade from the 650 which I own. I took the 800 out for a spin as a courtesy bike the other day - very impressed!
This Suzuki V-Strom 800 DE absolutely rocks off road, other full time off - road peeps have reviewed and ripped on it and stated it is amazing for the bike it is as standard.
I was one of them and Susuki has been my least favorite brand over the decades. However, I love my DR650 and might just add the 800DE to my collection. Seems like Susuki did a great job with this bike.
Allready 5000 km with mine in south of France I tried both transalp and 800DE..... Man...!!!the 800 DE is much more serious...what à bike.....comfort....réal power......à crazy good ride....i just cant stop riding it
It sure looks competent, inspiring and manageable. This can quickly become a favourite of many and a bike that will demolish the sales figures for other major brands.
Haf mine for 2 weeks and already nearly 800 miles in. It is the most comfortable bike i have ever owned. The torque is well placed, if i had one complaint its only that the screen is just a tiny bit small for me but nothing that an aftermarket will not fix 👍🏻
Nice review Chops. Seems like a really decent machine. Transalp's a handsome beast but definitely more road focused & possibly more fun while the Suzuki's is maybe a better off-roader / all-rounder? Either way looks like your upcoming & seemingly very entertaining comparison will answer that very question. Looking forward to it!
I have just bought a Voge 300 rally the othe day and some Forma adventure boots, found loads of little roads between Horndean over to Bury Hill then over to Lisa’s then up to Faringdon and back to Horndean. £2500 less than the CRF, loving it.
Coming from a Tiger 800 XCA and currently from a Tiger 900 Rally Pro and being a devoted triple fan I took a demo 800DE for a spin. Let alone some weak points like windshield and downshift quality, I am absolutely impressed. As for me, this easily could make 'final bike' for the rest of my life. Especially, the engine and the handling truly rock. My only gripe is the price, I am not sure is it worth 'downgrading' from a Tiger to the same spec (base model + panniers, protection etc.)
If you want to play with an enduro / off road bike I recommend Salisbury Plain, some decent roads to get to it, the plain itself is lots of fun and not too far away, long big open gravel roads, small twisty technical and everything in between. Open to all road legal motorcycles too...gets a big boggy off the main drags in winter but that's part of the fun for some...The main gravel roads are compact and ideal for beginners to experience some off road without it turning into a green lane from hell lol... Also check out the TET (Trans Euro Trial) loads of off road routes...
Triumph service prices especially for value clearance at 12000 is crazy put me off. The spec on the Suzuki is very good for the price, would cost much more to get an equivalent triumph
Enjoyed that video chops, kinda like the beaky pointy look of the Suzuki. Wish i could ride more offroad in Scotland. The laws are a bit different here but I'm no expert. I do have some fantastic roads though.
It reminds me of the BMW F800GS. I like it but I like to get a bit crazy off-road and at 500+ pounds it’s just too heavy. Can no company make a twin cylinder bike with good suspension and ground clearance that weighs in under 400lbs? Now that could be my unicorn
Great review & greetings from Las Vegas~ I hope you get the chance to review the Transalp 750 & compare the two bikes. I also think that we will see a Tenere 900 coming next year~ subscribed.
Looking forward for your head-to-head comparison between 800DE and Transalps. But on paper specs, Honda is just 204kg, a whopping 26kg lighter than Suzuki's, yet don't know how such huge weight difference translates to the real-world handling and offroad experience.
I have the XL and have ridden the DE and it is a cracker. More fun to ride than the XL and actually more fun to ride than any bike I have ever ridden in 53y of riding. Did not notice the weight difference but my XL has a lot of gear on it TBH
Great review Choosy , I love doing similar runs like that a lot ! just go head down single track roads and explore , great fun .👍👍 and bit of gravel can't beat it .! Just drive and plead ignorance 😁 easier up here in Scotland. No gates go where you please within reason .Suzuki looks a nice bike for both on and off road. 👍 And try not to come off .😀
Been following Hessler(HRT) upgrade program on one of these, all the H/D hardware fitted(inc 18" rear wheel and a 1 piece flat seat), fully fueled, 238kg(fuel is 14kg alone), they reckon a similar Transalp would weight the same...certainly the better overlanding option!
Great review to fair off road 600cc is more than enough it's just the comprise to get to boat track which sadly seem to be more restricted . I live in Cotswolds and so many restricted 😢 end up going to Salisbury plain.
I hate motorcycle companies not including CC even as an optional upgrade on bikes that start from £10,500. They want us to spend the extra money for the next model up. That's the only thing this bike is missing, and it's a shame
It might be worthwhile finding some more difficult off-road sections. An old sv650 can do creek crossings and rock steps (high clearance tracks) on Bridgestone s22 tyres. I'd like to see you really see what can be done, particularly with the bigger front and far better suspension.
Nice little review thanks 🙂 At 6'2" if you bought one - would you go for the standard seat height or the higher one? Any comments on the engine vibrations at 5k motorway speeds? (oh, 5k is rpm & not 5kmph or even 5000kmph) Another reviewer has said you need to wrestle it over into fast corners, do you find this? Thanks.
Hi! Thanks for your videos! I also experienced a vibration, at ca 5000 rpm, when testing the bike. It was a tingling in my feet from the foot pegs and it was actually so much vibration that it’s a showstopper for me. It was very noticeable vibrations. Very unfortunate, because IMO the bike was otherwise great and also great looking bike, to boot.
For Gods sake get yourself an app on your phone with OS maps(e.g. Outdooractive) so that you don't go where you're not supposed to be. The Southdowns is a National Park and does have some Byways but mostly it's all Bridleways. Seems like the new Suzy is a nice bike.
An adventure bike is something I think you should consider adding to your garage or another manufacturer. Although I'm not sure you should sell the H2 to do so. The H2 is so awesome, but it's the nagging mind farts that stop you from enjoying it because it's very valuable. You could sell the GSX-R1000 and the Kawasaki ZXR 750 and keep the H2 as your sports bike and then buy a cruiser or an adventure bike giving you some flexibility and variety of different types of bike. But that H2 is nice... It really is an awesome piece of kit.
i just want to know which one of these newer middleweight crossplane P-twins has the best exhaust note with a non stock can. The T7 is the winner so far, i've yet to see a Hornet or new suzuki twin or Tuareg with an exhaust swap.
The whole beak look thing is very dated. I like the stacked headlights tho.I love the looks of the KTM,Honda and Harley , might as well add some tail fins lol
What do we care what is her name!!!! This bike is fabulous i own one in France and i just cant stop riding it!!! Fantastic power ...comfort....this bike is fantastic.......
800 DE, new Transalp, or the April’s Tuareg? ,,, questions questions questions! But if it was your money, which would you buy… Or something else… Tenere 700??
Surprised how heavy the 800DE is it weighs more than my old DL1000 did, typically Suzuki though everything just works, easy to live with. Good luck with your Triumph off road adventure training, my 1200 GT Pro isn’t the Rally but the engine and gearbox are the same……I’m just going to say this 1st Gear is higher than Everest 🤪.
@@LambChopRides To be honest, quoting wet or dry weight is really disingenuous by manufactures. Dry weight often doesn't include oil and brake fluid, never mind fuel. You can't ride a bike without oil and brake fluid. Quoting wet weight just penalises big fuel tanks - and have you noticed how fuel tanks are getting smaller? They should all quote zero fuel weight, then that's a level playing field and you really know how much your bike weighs with or without fuel.
Not the King for sure. Great bike in general. Probably better than a T7 is suspension. Better road manners than T7 or 890 R. But not enough to make it the King of either.
I do wonder if Suzuki have actually just stolen sales off themselves as this bike is the ideal bike of the V-Strom range, so can't see why anyone would now buy the 650 or the 1050 Stroms...might as well all buy the 800.
650 has better headlights, tubeless tires, can take non-premium gasoline, weighs less, has proven reliability, and has way more aftermarket options (though that will change over time). If I were starting from scratch, though, I'd get the 800DE for its performance.
But comes with QS, hand gaurds, bash plate, usb charger ... all extras on many others. Don't be fooled by comparing specs on paper, doesn't allways tell the full story. Plus fully adjustable suspension on this
Chops, why do you feel the need to wear a peaked helmet everytime you ride a adventure bike 😅😅🤦🤦 I've never been a fan of such lids, you definitely don't need a peaked lid to ride these bikes 😅😅
If you even slightly, bothered to try to understand that, ALL you've shown in this clip - would be - with SAME success an ease, done on a Royal Enfield Himalayan, or a BMW G3210GS, or Honda CB500X, or ANY OTHER bike - maybe you wouldn't call this ( USELESS, HALF BAKED bike ) - KING Of The Middleweight Adventure.... just Maybe ..... So - get another ( any ) bike, ride that, same route, and make an HONEST clip - if those are worse, than THIS "KING Of The Middleweight Adventure" !
@@LambChopRides so without any direct comparison DE is named King. Professional. But still looking at some sheet aspects ... Triumph has 10 CP and Nm more, better suspension, better wheels (are tubless) better wind protection and DE has 10 kg. more. I love Suzuki, but their best bike is DR 650 SE.
@@Motosadik go and watch other reviews. apparently the rake is less steep on this and the wheel base is longer on this, which gives it stability and feels less top heavy than the tiger. big rock moto allready did a long review in some knarlier stuff. and those where his comments and he has owned ktm 890 rallies for comparison as well. 10hp and nm dont make or brake a bike but it depends what you want to do with it. i will probably never hit the knarly stuff so the transalp is peaking more of my interest
I’d still take the 1050, in yellow. A full exhaust and a remap is mandatory though, just to remove the restrictions and improve the throttle response. In fact, it should be an MOT requirement 😂
I'd love to see a suzuki comeback, like they were in the 90's.
So would I.
Agree
Had a DR350 about 30 years ago, I'd buy one tomorrow if they still made them.
@@SteveSurgenor I had a DR250SH in Tokyo in the early '90s. I wish I still had it.
Well your seeing it. I mean c'mon, most of thier platforms are from the 90s!
It's extremely comfortable and a worthy upgrade from the 650 which I own. I took the 800 out for a spin as a courtesy bike the other day - very impressed!
Me too, my last bike was the DL650XT and the DE is better, so much fun. You just wanna get back on it ASAP.
This Suzuki V-Strom 800 DE absolutely rocks off road, other full time off - road peeps have reviewed and ripped on it and stated it is amazing for the bike it is as standard.
So glad Suzuki are fighting back against the critics that were saying Suzuki was dead!
I was one of them and Susuki has been my least favorite brand over the decades. However, I love my DR650 and might just add the 800DE to my collection. Seems like Susuki did a great job with this bike.
@@jonwoodworkerOh yes
I like this a lot more than the TransAlp and possibly more than the T7.
Nice one Chops !
The more reviews I see of the DE the more impressed I am with it 🤔
Yeah really surprised me! 👍
Allready 5000 km with mine in south of France
I tried both transalp and 800DE.....
Man...!!!the 800 DE is much more serious...what à bike.....comfort....réal power......à crazy good ride....i just cant stop riding it
All you've ridden it. After two test rides-I bought one. Blows the transalp away, better in every department. IMO.
It sure looks competent, inspiring and manageable. This can quickly become a favourite of many and a bike that will demolish the sales figures for other major brands.
Haf mine for 2 weeks and already nearly 800 miles in. It is the most comfortable bike i have ever owned. The torque is well placed, if i had one complaint its only that the screen is just a tiny bit small for me but nothing that an aftermarket will not fix 👍🏻
You can also get a windscreen extension, it's cheap and easy to install
You made it look easy, what a natural off roader
Off road ? I must have missed all that. I didn't see anything I wouldn't take a road going bicycle through.
Suzuki for life! 👍
Nice review Chops. Seems like a really decent machine. Transalp's a handsome beast but definitely more road focused & possibly more fun while the Suzuki's is maybe a better off-roader / all-rounder? Either way looks like your upcoming & seemingly very entertaining comparison will answer that very question. Looking forward to it!
You could be onto something there! 😜👍
In yellow and blue,I think it's a winner🏁
JUST BOUGHT MINE !!!! same color too. im in love
Chops it’s definitely getting more difficult to find a place to ride off the beaten path , that seems to be a well built bike
"Not sure I should be here" reminds me of greenlaning 10 years ago!
I have just bought a Voge 300 rally the othe day and some Forma adventure boots, found loads of little roads between Horndean over to Bury Hill then over to Lisa’s then up to Faringdon and back to Horndean. £2500 less than the CRF, loving it.
Its nice to see someone else who constantly cancels indicators that don't need cancelling 😂
Haha yes 🤣
Lol yeah, that's a habit I've gotten into, not a bad thing at all
Good to see you not hesitate hitting a bit of off-road. A chance to find those hidden treasures.
Already on my hit list, had a 2020 650 brand new and sold it after 2 months as was a bit of a meeehhhh bike, this baby looks promising
Yeah it's much better than the 650, defo try one it's impressed me! 👍
Great review again Chops .....that's my Sunday morning viewing sorted again. 😊👍
Coming from a Tiger 800 XCA and currently from a Tiger 900 Rally Pro and being a devoted triple fan I took a demo 800DE for a spin. Let alone some weak points like windshield and downshift quality, I am absolutely impressed. As for me, this easily could make 'final bike' for the rest of my life. Especially, the engine and the handling truly rock. My only gripe is the price, I am not sure is it worth 'downgrading' from a Tiger to the same spec (base model + panniers, protection etc.)
If you want to play with an enduro / off road bike I recommend Salisbury Plain, some decent roads to get to it, the plain itself is lots of fun and not too far away, long big open gravel roads, small twisty technical and everything in between. Open to all road legal motorcycles too...gets a big boggy off the main drags in winter but that's part of the fun for some...The main gravel roads are compact and ideal for beginners to experience some off road without it turning into a green lane from hell lol...
Also check out the TET (Trans Euro Trial) loads of off road routes...
A collision of DR 800 and Katana of the 80s
Nice video,I want a 800 or 1200 Adventure bike but they so much to choose from the Triumph at top of my list but this Suzuki seems perfect🤔🤔👍
Yes certainly try it! Really impressed me
I just got rid of a 2018 tiger 800 xca the thing had 0 soul and 0 fun factor the 900 isn’t much better tbh I’d be looking at the 890 ktm
Triumph service prices especially for value clearance at 12000 is crazy put me off. The spec on the Suzuki is very good for the price, would cost much more to get an equivalent triumph
@@ianbrown1387 not much change from a grand at 12000 miles
Enjoyed that video chops, kinda like the beaky pointy look of the Suzuki.
Wish i could ride more offroad in Scotland. The laws are a bit different here but I'm no expert. I do have some fantastic roads though.
Nice , you and Greg should do a weekend camping trip, with a sausage sizzle out in the countryside.
It reminds me of the BMW F800GS. I like it but I like to get a bit crazy off-road and at 500+ pounds it’s just too heavy. Can no company make a twin cylinder bike with good suspension and ground clearance that weighs in under 400lbs? Now that could be my unicorn
Great review & greetings from Las Vegas~ I hope you get the chance to review the Transalp 750 & compare the two bikes. I also think that we will see a Tenere 900 coming next year~ subscribed.
Yes Transalp review coming next and a back to back comparison 👍
Looking forward for your head-to-head comparison between 800DE and Transalps. But on paper specs, Honda is just 204kg, a whopping 26kg lighter than Suzuki's, yet don't know how such huge weight difference translates to the real-world handling and offroad experience.
I have the XL and have ridden the DE and it is a cracker. More fun to ride than the XL and actually more fun to ride than any bike I have ever ridden in 53y of riding. Did not notice the weight difference but my XL has a lot of gear on it TBH
Great review Choosy , I love doing similar runs like that a lot ! just go head down single track roads and explore , great fun .👍👍 and bit of gravel can't beat it .! Just drive and plead ignorance 😁 easier up here in Scotland. No gates go where you please within reason .Suzuki looks a nice bike for both on and off road. 👍 And try not to come off .😀
Chops for Sunday Breakfast?
A different class of living 😂
9:15
nice transalp VS DE800 suspension comparison!!
love the colour scheme
4:33 🤣 That's the THIRTEENTH time you've pressed the indicator button and the video doesn't even start until 1:45 ❤
Been following Hessler(HRT) upgrade program on one of these, all the H/D hardware fitted(inc 18" rear wheel and a 1 piece flat seat), fully fueled, 238kg(fuel is 14kg alone), they reckon a similar Transalp would weight the same...certainly the better overlanding option!
Hessler Rally is what is gonna swing it for me when it comes to this new DE800. They will most likely negate all the little nitpicks most people have.
It’s a beautiful bike, that I can’t wait to add farkles too.
👍👍 nice little vid mate .
I heard that Suzuki's new designer once worked for Lego.
Can't wait for head to head shootout with that bike vs. Transalp
Great review to fair off road 600cc is more than enough it's just the comprise to get to boat track which sadly seem to be more restricted . I live in Cotswolds and so many restricted 😢 end up going to Salisbury plain.
I hate motorcycle companies not including CC even as an optional upgrade on bikes that start from £10,500. They want us to spend the extra money for the next model up. That's the only thing this bike is missing, and it's a shame
Yes is annoying no CC I do agree!
Pretty much perfect for Australia conditions.
Looks good. 👍
It might be worthwhile finding some more difficult off-road sections. An old sv650 can do creek crossings and rock steps (high clearance tracks) on Bridgestone s22 tyres. I'd like to see you really see what can be done, particularly with the bigger front and far better suspension.
Nice little review thanks 🙂 At 6'2" if you bought one - would you go for the standard seat height or the higher one?
Any comments on the engine vibrations at 5k motorway speeds? (oh, 5k is rpm & not 5kmph or even 5000kmph)
Another reviewer has said you need to wrestle it over into fast corners, do you find this? Thanks.
Thanks for this informative Video 😊👍🙏
Most welcome 😊
Hi! Thanks for your videos!
I also experienced a vibration, at ca 5000 rpm, when testing the bike. It was a tingling in my feet from the foot pegs and it was actually so much vibration that it’s a showstopper for me.
It was very noticeable vibrations. Very unfortunate, because IMO the bike was otherwise great and also great looking bike, to boot.
For Gods sake get yourself an app on your phone with OS maps(e.g. Outdooractive) so that you don't go where you're not supposed to be. The Southdowns is a National Park and does have some Byways but mostly it's all Bridleways. Seems like the new Suzy is a nice bike.
That looks nice, have you tried the Transalp yet?
Yes indeed I have now, full comparison coming 👍
@@LambChopRides Be good to see, I have tried the Transalp it's very good but only problem with these bikes is they have inner tubes.
If Suzuki would put tubeless rims on this bike, there'd be a For Sale sign on my VStrom 1000.
An adventure bike is something I think you should consider adding to your garage or another manufacturer. Although I'm not sure you should sell the H2 to do so. The H2 is so awesome, but it's the nagging mind farts that stop you from enjoying it because it's very valuable. You could sell the GSX-R1000 and the Kawasaki ZXR 750 and keep the H2 as your sports bike and then buy a cruiser or an adventure bike giving you some flexibility and variety of different types of bike. But that H2 is nice... It really is an awesome piece of kit.
Not putting tubeless tires on this bike is a cardinal sin.
I would love to ride one of them! Like the colour scheme! Would 6’5” of me fit?
Chips. You want lanes. You want off road. Come to Salisbury plain. There’s lots and lots of just what you want.
i just want to know which one of these newer middleweight crossplane P-twins has the best exhaust note with a non stock can. The T7 is the winner so far, i've yet to see a Hornet or new suzuki twin or Tuareg with an exhaust swap.
hi chopsy
can you tell me where or give me the link for the malaga aventure ride
Try this triumphadventure.es/en/
Nice bike but combination of high ish seat height and I think high wet weight (for a bike with offroad pretensions) would rule it out for me.
I have a 2012 650. Like to get the new 8S. Worried about the top end power. I hear it signs off early...
No it's not too bad, has better torque
Give us a 19" alloy wheel version please
With tubeless tires
@@richardhretczak536 Exactly. I totally get the 21" spoked argument but it's not me.
The whole beak look thing is very dated. I like the stacked headlights tho.I love the looks of the KTM,Honda and Harley , might as well add some tail fins lol
I thought you had gone and bought a Suzuki Katana original model to recondition. That says a lot about the lines of this bike.
A great bike spoilt by being very buzzing and vibrating around motorway speeds
Yeah not too bad, I've tried worse
Need a new gsxr 1000 now that decimates all that's all the bike I would ever need
Why dont they make an sv800. The v is a much more characteristic engine
Why is it still called a V-Strom when there's no V engine in it? Good review anyway Chopsy!
V is for versatile (according to Suzuki marketing 😁)
What do we care what is her name!!!! This bike is fabulous i own one in France and i just cant stop riding it!!! Fantastic power ...comfort....this bike is fantastic.......
Well the cylinders are vertical I suppose. LOL
Nice review! Im put off by the looks of it, but Id be curious enough to give ig a try. Maybe all blacked out it wouldnt look ax offensive hebe
800 DE, new Transalp, or the April’s Tuareg? ,,, questions questions questions! But if it was your money, which would you buy…
Or something else… Tenere 700??
Perhaps Tuareg 660 represents best value. Reliability is still the question to be answered though.
Surprised how heavy the 800DE is it weighs more than my old DL1000 did, typically Suzuki though everything just works, easy to live with. Good luck with your Triumph off road adventure training, my 1200 GT Pro isn’t the Rally but the engine and gearbox are the same……I’m just going to say this 1st Gear is higher than Everest 🤪.
Off road chops calls it rutting.but womble calls it rimming...
Wow .. basically copied the T700 with that cross-plane parallel twin motor , which is smart , because they are horn.
Why is it so heavy? Most of these middleweights hover around 200kg, not 230.
20 litre tank so that's 20kg right there! Think tiger 9 and transalp are smaller. Yes not all the weight agree
20L of fuel weighs 14.7kg just fyi 😉
@@LambChopRidesnope. It’s only 2-3 kg right there. Other bikes don’t have fuel tank?
@@LambChopRides To be honest, quoting wet or dry weight is really disingenuous by manufactures. Dry weight often doesn't include oil and brake fluid, never mind fuel. You can't ride a bike without oil and brake fluid. Quoting wet weight just penalises big fuel tanks - and have you noticed how fuel tanks are getting smaller? They should all quote zero fuel weight, then that's a level playing field and you really know how much your bike weighs with or without fuel.
Look out it's Itchy Arse!
Get on the power Chops .
Unfortunatly my ownership experience with the GSX-S1000 put me off Suzuki for a long time to come. I know that sounds pretty dumb but i can`t help it
Not the King for sure. Great bike in general. Probably better than a T7 is suspension. Better road manners than T7 or 890 R. But not enough to make it the King of either.
I found the 1050 a bit too vibey.
The 650 is way better in that department.
Still too big for an off road bike?
No actual not at all, feels really capable offroad. I'm sure with some knobbly tyres you could really chuck some more extreme terrain at it
I do wonder if Suzuki have actually just stolen sales off themselves as this bike is the ideal bike of the V-Strom range, so can't see why anyone would now buy the 650 or the 1050 Stroms...might as well all buy the 800.
650 has better headlights, tubeless tires, can take non-premium gasoline, weighs less, has proven reliability, and has way more aftermarket options (though that will change over time). If I were starting from scratch, though, I'd get the 800DE for its performance.
Calimoto app
Fairly expensive and not the best equipped as well as being heavy and not the most powerful doesn’t tick many boxes tbh
But comes with QS, hand gaurds, bash plate, usb charger ... all extras on many others. Don't be fooled by comparing specs on paper, doesn't allways tell the full story. Plus fully adjustable suspension on this
Chops, why do you feel the need to wear a peaked helmet everytime you ride a adventure bike 😅😅🤦🤦 I've never been a fan of such lids, you definitely don't need a peaked lid to ride these bikes 😅😅
I thought it was the law?? Haha
@@LambChopRides it's a bit like when you wore Motocross boots on one of your reviews and couldn't feel the gear lever 😂😂
If you even slightly, bothered to try to understand that, ALL you've shown in this clip - would be - with SAME success an ease, done on a Royal Enfield Himalayan, or a BMW G3210GS, or Honda CB500X, or ANY OTHER bike - maybe you wouldn't call this ( USELESS, HALF BAKED bike ) - KING Of The Middleweight Adventure.... just Maybe ..... So - get another ( any ) bike, ride that, same route, and make an HONEST clip - if those are worse, than THIS "KING Of The Middleweight Adventure" !
Think you will find it was a question not a statement
"We are riding..." I saw only you...why you and other youtubers usse that nonsense...it is silly.
How is this the KING of middleweight adventure when Triumph Tiger 900 is better than the DE since 2019 in absolutely every category ?
The 800 DE is brand new for 2023, needs to be compared directly to the Tiger 900 to decide which is best offroad
@@LambChopRides so without any direct comparison DE is named King. Professional. But still looking at some sheet aspects ... Triumph has 10 CP and Nm more, better suspension, better wheels (are tubless) better wind protection and DE has 10 kg. more. I love Suzuki, but their best bike is DR 650 SE.
@@MotosadikHey mate do you know what a question mark is ?
@@Motosadik go and watch other reviews. apparently the rake is less steep on this and the wheel base is longer on this, which gives it stability and feels less top heavy than the tiger. big rock moto allready did a long review in some knarlier stuff. and those where his comments and he has owned ktm 890 rallies for comparison as well. 10hp and nm dont make or brake a bike but it depends what you want to do with it. i will probably never hit the knarly stuff so the transalp is peaking more of my interest
@@therealfakecaptain7978 Yes. But also i know what a click bait title is.
I’d still take the 1050, in yellow.
A full exhaust and a remap is mandatory though, just to remove the restrictions and improve the throttle response. In fact, it should be an MOT requirement 😂