What you're saying is supporting my argument... - Destiny Debates Mike from PA

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Комментарии • 755

  • @J0sh_395
    @J0sh_395 3 года назад +114

    Who came here after mikes debate with Vaush?

    • @MrMarfsthotarmy
      @MrMarfsthotarmy 3 года назад +2

      Meee

    • @KyleHUNK
      @KyleHUNK 3 года назад +15

      I must see the full meltdown of this tankie mike from pa, also known as cringe mike, also known as beta couch puncher

    • @Ahrecks0
      @Ahrecks0 3 года назад +7

      Im on a journey

    • @Sprite_525
      @Sprite_525 3 года назад

      Meeeee

    • @trivialcomment8354
      @trivialcomment8354 3 года назад +7

      The best part was around 2 hours in when Destiny said, “I don’t know you that well so I hope you aren’t lying to me,” and started saying how people would misrepresent their views and see USSR flags and blah blah blah then mike has the tankie iconography lol

  • @DavidGFalzarano
    @DavidGFalzarano 3 года назад +253

    The start of a great relationship

    • @user-uq4gr5nl5o
      @user-uq4gr5nl5o 3 года назад +6

      @@Banexay Peepeelaugh

    • @jacquesogaroy8356
      @jacquesogaroy8356 3 года назад

      Wow mike and destiny were bros. What happened?

    • @Ed-vc5id
      @Ed-vc5id 3 года назад +2

      @@jacquesogaroy8356 I think based on what destiny has said, mike got popular and now thinks he's better than what he actually is.
      "Give people a little fame or power and theyll show what theyre actually like" is a paraphrased quote from destiny about mike (people in general also).

  • @Bedangles
    @Bedangles 5 лет назад +397

    Destiny killed a lot of chickens in this debate

    • @zabadyboopywhatawoopy5192
      @zabadyboopywhatawoopy5192 5 лет назад +2

      This could be a really great joke if you relate him to a weasel. Lol jk

    • @MalevolentDivinity
      @MalevolentDivinity 5 лет назад +8

      To be fair, you have to kill the chickens every so often or they cause a *ton* of lag.
      ....
      I need to build off-switches into my automatic chicken breeders.

    • @kdawson020279
      @kdawson020279 3 года назад

      As a programmer, the only issue I ever had with Minecraft is that any entity that has the possibility to create more entities faster than it is destroyed will become essentially a "fork bomb" [fork being a function to split a process into two processes with memory allocated to them] over a logarithmic function with a coefficient that increases with the rate of reproduction. The game got better at freeing memory over time, but it used to be able to crash my Linux machine with regularity and it was no lightweight for the day. It's weird being the gamer dad of an adult 20-something gamer and a teen gamer. My first console was an Atari 2600 and my first computer was a Texas Instruments TI-99/4a.

    • @hexxin
      @hexxin 3 года назад +1

      @@kdawson020279 asteroids was the best......we old.....lol

    • @kdawson020279
      @kdawson020279 3 года назад

      @@hexxin The Pizza Hut in my hometown had the flat-top Asteroids and Pac-Man as tables when I was young. The greasy spoon burger joint had a game room and pool table, as did the laundromat. Nothing fancy except the burger place had the Journey [band] video game that played a rousing 8-bit version of "Don't Stop Believing" and I want to emulate on MAME as the Atari 2600 version is entirely different graphics. My first computer had cartridge programs [Texas Instruments TI-99/ 4A] and I remember playing "Hunt the Wumpus" and learning to program BASIC which came in handy when I got my Apple IIc. Before it closed, the laundromat got Super Punch-Out which the SNES did not do justice to the coin-op. Ferrari vs Fiat on that one. It's weird, you have photorealistic full motion video games that don't require quarters and skateboarding isn't treated like heroin addiction. I never quit gaming, and I picked up skating again during the pandemic. Old bastards unite!! 🤣

  • @blueygooey8899
    @blueygooey8899 3 года назад +324

    The evolution that followed this was so unprecedented

    • @ZombHarris
      @ZombHarris 3 года назад +27

      I hate this guy for giving destiny a reason to hate lefties tbh.

    • @ZombHarris
      @ZombHarris 3 года назад +5

      @@jamesmorrison7989 well I got no problem with hating online lefties, I do it all the time. I just mean that I think destiny might be associating all lefties with these TOL (terminally online lefties) and that makes him maybe unresponsive to some of our more radical ideas

    • @jonoxes8662
      @jonoxes8662 3 года назад +10

      @@ZombHarris Nah, he's said to his audience "please don't believe that lefties in real life are like this" i don't remeber what video that was in, i think it might've been when debating "Big Mad".

    • @jloiben12
      @jloiben12 3 года назад +5

      I am watching these old debates with Destiny after all of the current Mike from PA stupidness.
      Mike from PA seems even worse after watching this.
      Idk why Mike from PA, in giving his background, didn’t include how the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that Mike is a liar for claiming to be a lawyer when Mike wasn’t. Hmm... almost like Mike knows he is basically a con artist and doesn’t want people to do the basic research that is needed to figure it out

    • @ZombHarris
      @ZombHarris 3 года назад

      @@jloiben12 I can’t stand him

  • @Transcedant
    @Transcedant 5 лет назад +406

    stop complaining, this debate was actually really entertaining

    • @Twigmannn
      @Twigmannn 5 лет назад +38

      It's great to get a perspective from a campaign organiser rather than the usual random pundits and internet people.

    • @bzyboy9639
      @bzyboy9639 4 года назад +3

      Well this guy is a scumbag now

    • @burnhitsforlove3317
      @burnhitsforlove3317 4 года назад +6

      @@bzyboy9639 now? He's constantly posturing here. I'm surprised destiny didn't go off on him like he does Sargon.
      This one reguires good patience.

    • @bzyboy9639
      @bzyboy9639 4 года назад +1

      @@burnhitsforlove3317 yeah thats true , still cant deny how much of an alpha he is especially in front of badbunny

    • @mrodo5175
      @mrodo5175 3 года назад +1

      @@bzyboy9639 ```````1°°°!!!!!!!!!1pppp1!!!++)

  • @Byron804
    @Byron804 5 лет назад +240

    Whats the point of posting this? I already watched it on Hasan's daily recap of your stream.

    • @hendog5396
      @hendog5396 5 лет назад

      Byron Daniel Bernstein true

    • @IBBMS
      @IBBMS 5 лет назад +2

      Link

    • @emil246
      @emil246 5 лет назад +15

      True we should just watch Hasan but progressive voice covers it better

    • @Jay-zt1pq
      @Jay-zt1pq 5 лет назад +1

      @@demerzel3798 TRUEE! 🎺

    • @broquestwarsneeder7617
      @broquestwarsneeder7617 5 лет назад

      @Jungle Estonian Almost like he could be called, hahah, Obsesstiny!!1 amirite? amirite++?+

  • @joncolumbino744
    @joncolumbino744 3 года назад +99

    Remember when mike was scream laughing when Destiny said Biden was most likely to win the presidency 😂

  • @elrikstormbringer8073
    @elrikstormbringer8073 5 лет назад +248

    Sry Destiny but u lost this one

    • @megafanflash
      @megafanflash 5 лет назад +30

      A bit unfair, since they agree. Are you WRONG for agreeing with someone you're debating? I dont think so

    • @casualboicas7610
      @casualboicas7610 5 лет назад +23

      ​@Martin Conta Gets Banned Losing streak since he started debating leftists? Could it be bias on your part?

    • @ultimateblaze23
      @ultimateblaze23 5 лет назад +29

      @@tansin9 shut up dumb capitaist

    • @piratelife6343
      @piratelife6343 5 лет назад +14

      @@ultimateblaze23 you've lost your fucking mind

    • @Copyright_Infringement
      @Copyright_Infringement 5 лет назад +20

      @@piratelife6343 You've lost your keychain

  • @trondadon2527
    @trondadon2527 5 лет назад +185

    React to Steven Crowder’s “trump isn’t racist” change my mind

    • @IceFireTerry
      @IceFireTerry 5 лет назад +5

      he made a new video?

    • @wbl8100
      @wbl8100 5 лет назад +15

      I'm not racist. Legal immigrants are welcome to my country.

    • @staxstirner
      @staxstirner 5 лет назад

      @TheProphetMuhammad He technically hasn't it's the one with the crazy ass dude harassing him lol

    • @ft4903
      @ft4903 5 лет назад +2

      @@wbl8100 As long as they're not from shithole countries.

    • @Brettwbeyer14
      @Brettwbeyer14 5 лет назад +5

      @@wbl8100 except they have tried to come over legally claiming as refugees but were locked in cages with children separated from them, but you dont care because you're a silver spooned narcissist sociopath.

  • @BigPapaDuck
    @BigPapaDuck 3 года назад +46

    Behold the nicest these two will ever be to each other

  • @JohnJohn-ls2uz
    @JohnJohn-ls2uz 5 лет назад +179

    Bro I can’t wait for him to debate jake from state farm

    • @Spencerwalker21
      @Spencerwalker21 5 лет назад

      @@thewatcher819 whose wearing the diapers them the kids they're molesting or both

    • @fyfef
      @fyfef 5 лет назад

      @@Spencerwalker21 none of the above, the diapers are off after all

    • @Spencerwalker21
      @Spencerwalker21 5 лет назад

      @@fyfef okay off the kids or them fixed it

    • @KickinAss1000
      @KickinAss1000 5 лет назад +1

      @@thewatcher819 I laughed harder than I should at this LOL

    • @thewatcher819
      @thewatcher819 5 лет назад

      @@Spencerwalker21 figure it out...🤯

  • @trivialcomment8354
    @trivialcomment8354 3 года назад +24

    LOL listening to this a year later is hilarious with how Mike from CCP turned out. Loved how he said he’s not a Bernie fan but just looking at the study. Grifters gonna grift

  • @beyoncehadoneofthebest
    @beyoncehadoneofthebest 5 лет назад +144

    Destiny actually got to debate in this debate

  • @Remaxnolan
    @Remaxnolan 5 лет назад +286

    This guy is the most convincing Bernie supporter I've ever heard

    • @justifiably_stupid4998
      @justifiably_stupid4998 5 лет назад +21

      Certainly the most enthusiastic

    • @WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot_YT
      @WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot_YT 5 лет назад +14

      Well, he is a campaign organizer, it is his job to compile the data and formulate strategies around them. He worked for the Sanders campaign at one point, don’t remember if he still is atm.

    • @zerikaz55
      @zerikaz55 5 лет назад

      Nolan Williams fuck same

    • @robertsmalls2293
      @robertsmalls2293 5 лет назад +4

      Don’t let it fool you, at the end of the day none of them have any idea what they’re talking about.

    • @tchallenger91
      @tchallenger91 5 лет назад +9

      @@robertsmalls2293 you're a clown

  • @halocemagnum8351
    @halocemagnum8351 5 лет назад +181

    What a cancerous title.
    The title should have been "An actually reasonable debate with a Bernie supporter"

    • @brandonden795
      @brandonden795 5 лет назад +16

      Cause he's upset

    • @xaviersgiantego1453
      @xaviersgiantego1453 5 лет назад +5

      @@brandonden795 cause youtube algorithms, incase your not memeing.

    • @JakeSnae123
      @JakeSnae123 5 лет назад +3

      @@xaviersgiantego1453 you're*

    • @robertsmalls2293
      @robertsmalls2293 5 лет назад +2

      All this hype about Bernie is what’s cancerous.

    • @jayt7178
      @jayt7178 5 лет назад +1

      Robert Smalls lol you’re funny my dude. Unintentionally, but funny all the same.

  • @killercaos123
    @killercaos123 5 лет назад +73

    Straight up, unironically, Destiny lost this debate.

    • @SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe
      @SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe 5 лет назад

      Na

    • @David-ft3wp
      @David-ft3wp 5 лет назад +11

      I agree and I've never seen this happen before. Granted I've not seen the brooks debate.

    • @IMatchoNation
      @IMatchoNation 5 лет назад +7

      @@David-ft3wp They were too busy talking past each other for either party to win or lose anything xD.

    • @tehking111
      @tehking111 5 лет назад +7

      @@David-ft3wp that's was barely a debate. I saw the aftermath before I saw the actual debate so I heard him complain a lot but I didn't understand how bad it was until I watched it. When the topic turned to to tpp it was litterally he would say something, run to a different point, destiny would be like whoa whoa whoa stop go back and he would reply that doesn't matter this is the big point and run to a totally different point. Continue that like 5 times and then he abruptly said he had to go. I agree with brooks but it was gishgalop central.

    • @IncognitoSprax
      @IncognitoSprax 5 лет назад +7

      Confident Lime
      It wasn’t abrupt, he said in the beginning that he was leaving at 6 or something, so whenever the time was for them, Destiny and everybody else knew he wouldn’t be there for long

  • @Ohisashiburidesu
    @Ohisashiburidesu 5 лет назад +452

    "THIS IS JUST FACTS BABY" lmao, this guy is great.

    • @sonothehedgehog
      @sonothehedgehog 5 лет назад +17

      Really? I thought he was annoying af

    • @JudisHQ
      @JudisHQ 5 лет назад +109

      @@sonothehedgehog It's cause you don't like facts and shit. Data is rough.

    • @stevengracia2346
      @stevengracia2346 5 лет назад +59

      Destiny literally mentioned his own FEELS 4 times in the debate haha i thought he was REALS oh except on capitalism. He went full Ben Shapiro

    • @VexRep
      @VexRep 5 лет назад +3

      @@sonothehedgehog He acts like Destiny.

    • @Anthropomorphic
      @Anthropomorphic 5 лет назад +7

      I felt like he was being cocky as an affectation because that's his perception of what political Twitch is like. Could be wrong.

  • @TheOneTheyCallFrost
    @TheOneTheyCallFrost 5 лет назад +129

    Destiny slaughtered an innocent farm of chickens in this debate.

    • @jasoncorrrigan1920
      @jasoncorrrigan1920 5 лет назад +1

      The Gamer Who Does Life what a rude dude

    • @cosmojenkins3020
      @cosmojenkins3020 5 лет назад +3

      Chief Patt I stopped watching that debate, did we all conclude that Destiny is a sociopath?

  • @ToxicTerrance
    @ToxicTerrance 5 лет назад +282

    1:56:00 is when Destiny goes full Tim Pool and starts judging the entire left based on the idiots on Twitter.
    AMAZIN

    • @chasevictory9465
      @chasevictory9465 5 лет назад +72

      That was Michael Brooks's entire point. Destiny is way too entrenched in his twitter wars which has coincided with a decline in quality.

    • @Killopotamus
      @Killopotamus 5 лет назад +38

      @@chasevictory9465 I've noticed he does this move a lot recently
      "Yeah but it feels like when i'm arguing with alt-righters on twitter they say the same thing"
      "Destiny, I just asked what would you like for lunch today?"
      Obvi i'm exaggerating but it gets kinda cringy when he pulls a twitter reference for every interaction and can't respond to a civil lefty convo.

    • @gdmikester4302
      @gdmikester4302 5 лет назад +11

      I think the problem is that alot of y'all agree with the idiots on Twitter. I do think he could have phrased it better though.

    • @juanjones6463
      @juanjones6463 5 лет назад +4

      Same as Joe Rogan.

    • @cosmojenkins3020
      @cosmojenkins3020 5 лет назад +3

      I think he is genuinely pretty progressive socially, just economically and otherwise he can be rigidly anti-left.

  • @datuhhhh
    @datuhhhh 5 лет назад +87

    This was fantastic; better to be consumed as an informative, evolving conversation with valid input, interesting perspectives, and poignant questions from both sides rather than a debate. Solid content.

  • @StolenPvP
    @StolenPvP 5 лет назад +50

    Destiny took an L in this debate.

    • @Jay-zt1pq
      @Jay-zt1pq 5 лет назад

      An L for Leftist or Liberal maybe :^)

    • @AvatarFanUno
      @AvatarFanUno 5 лет назад

      @@Jay-zt1pq L for LAMBDA MALE!

  • @allenwaker1542
    @allenwaker1542 3 года назад +16

    Lol destiny was proven 100 percent correct

  • @imjesusdad6361
    @imjesusdad6361 5 лет назад +40

    Destiny: I rlly hate socialism.
    Everyone: Why?
    Destiny: ...cuz.

    • @stevengracia2346
      @stevengracia2346 5 лет назад +20

      You know his moto is FEELS over REALS when capitalism is at risk

    • @Byron804
      @Byron804 5 лет назад +3

      Yeah thats definitely his argumentation for it

    • @rr3dd
      @rr3dd 5 лет назад +6

      ...cuz Twitter.

    • @imjesusdad6361
      @imjesusdad6361 5 лет назад +4

      @Guiuu Shurt First of all, it was a joke, don't get your centrist panties in a twist. Second of all, he hates leftist for no valid reason. Same with socialism. No matter how many times people explain to him that capitalism is faulty by default and there is no way to fix it and if we keep going like this our society is literally going to collapse, he just completely disregards it, and goes on a rant about how capitalism is good actually even though he doesn't have to work for any corporate shithead cause he's a twitch streamer. It's easy to talk shit when you're living pretty comfortably.

    • @lucianraphael9527
      @lucianraphael9527 5 лет назад

      Steven Gracia liking socialism is feels over reals bro

  • @Jay-zt1pq
    @Jay-zt1pq 5 лет назад +44

    It would be nice if the article we start with destiny reading was also linked in the description.
    I would've titled this debate "an argument worth having"

    • @jondoh9414
      @jondoh9414 5 лет назад +6

      I would've titled it "My Mind Has Actually Changed But I Don't Know It"

    • @theMJL
      @theMJL 5 лет назад +5

      Googling the title "
      Political Divisions in 2016 and Beyond" took me right to the page: www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond

    • @Anthropomorphic
      @Anthropomorphic 5 лет назад +1

      Gotta draw in the views, and people are more likely to click if they think someone got dismantled and mocked.

    • @Jay-zt1pq
      @Jay-zt1pq 5 лет назад +1

      @@Anthropomorphic I'm aware of how SEO and click bait work thank you, I was just mentioning my opinion. An odd thing to do in a RUclips comment I know lol

  • @jordant7207
    @jordant7207 5 лет назад +14

    Destiny - Twitter doesn't represent actual political opinions
    Also destiny - every Bernie supporter divides everyone into socialist or right wing

    • @jordant7207
      @jordant7207 5 лет назад

      @@mindlander I don't believe he's being intentionally intellectually dishonest, I think he's just reacting to the circumstances in his own bubble. I just thought it was funny

  • @YemYum
    @YemYum 5 лет назад +136

    Me reading the video title: oh damn this is gonna be a good autism infested video.
    After the video: damn that was an intelligent conversation between two people that didn’t involve retarded arguments but instead had thoughtful discussion over polling and facts.

    • @ayylmao8096
      @ayylmao8096 5 лет назад +19

      It's because he debated a leftist person, someone with an actual brain inside his head instead of whatever it is alt-morons have

    • @BlakeZeb
      @BlakeZeb 5 лет назад +2

      ayy lmao
      Pretty sure Hazzah is referring to a lot of the recent lefty debates destiny has had. It’s been awhile since he debated any alt right type of people

    • @TheRumpelstinskin
      @TheRumpelstinskin 5 лет назад +4

      @@BlakeZeb
      All of the debates with alt-right and right wingers were trash because they constantly attacked Destiny with retarded arguments, tho.

    • @YemYum
      @YemYum 5 лет назад +1

      @Lady Cyprus yeh that was what i was getting at. Compare this conversation to a any of destiny debates against right wingers.

    • @crossinu3342
      @crossinu3342 2 года назад

      If only you knew

  • @Gelsamel
    @Gelsamel 5 лет назад +187

    So in response to a bunch of empirical evidence, Destiny's reply is evidence is "well I interacted with some losers so..."

    • @lordxenu4867
      @lordxenu4867 5 лет назад +52

      @Jungle Estonian yeah some people are dishonest on the online left but we don't have a Brittany Venti or a No-Bullshit etc. Based on figureheads which are easier to observe than poltards and tumblerites, I'd say the right was born in the dishonesty rather than merely adopting it

    • @SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe
      @SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe 5 лет назад +8

      @@lordxenu4867 Yeah you do, it's called The Progressive Voice

    • @UnlimitedAuthority
      @UnlimitedAuthority 5 лет назад +3

      @Jungle Estonian HORSESHOE THEORY

    • @IMatchoNation
      @IMatchoNation 5 лет назад +4

      @Jungle Estonian Stop lying pal, it doesn't become you.

    • @jondoh9414
      @jondoh9414 5 лет назад +3

      @@SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe Ouch, I don't know what PV talks about but I really don't think he deserves this. Now you're just being mean.

  • @joedanero5360
    @joedanero5360 5 лет назад +71

    There needs to be an independent breakdown of this debate. Mike from PA carried weight in this.

  • @zenleeparadise
    @zenleeparadise 5 лет назад +56

    Vote Bernie, y'all. Biden is just gonna be another Hillary, he's gonna lose, anyone who doesn't see that isn't looking hard enough

  • @sklorbit
    @sklorbit 5 лет назад +39

    The problem destiny has is that he has only followed electoral politics since 2016.

    • @landonjacob8922
      @landonjacob8922 4 года назад +3

      sklorbit clearly mikes political predictions have been on point

  • @wooww91619
    @wooww91619 5 лет назад +20

    destiny got his means of production seized in this debate

  • @MrShitcakes69
    @MrShitcakes69 5 лет назад +6

    possibly the most constructive debate ive seen on this channel, actually made the bernie perspective seem viable in a really volatile democratic climate
    and we actually got to hear some of destiny's genuine objections to a lot of these positions without the saltiness that usually comes about when you present them to hardcore leftists

  • @dontyoufuckinguwume8201
    @dontyoufuckinguwume8201 5 лет назад +50

    Can someone crop out the out of context quote 'Bush is fine' around 26:00 and meme it as evidence that Destiny is sliding to the Right?

    • @jjmah7
      @jjmah7 5 лет назад

      Mental Drain why don’t you?

    • @dontyoufuckinguwume8201
      @dontyoufuckinguwume8201 5 лет назад +4

      @@jjmah7 because i'm too lazy

    • @saywaify
      @saywaify 5 лет назад +4

      @@dontyoufuckinguwume8201 a leftist I see...
      (/s)

    • @jeremyp3116
      @jeremyp3116 5 лет назад +2

      Mental Drain destiny is a contrarian. He always is going to say something a little dumb

    • @jjmah7
      @jjmah7 5 лет назад

      Mental Drain lol yeah, me too. Good idea though

  • @yanggang7
    @yanggang7 5 лет назад +33

    I really can't understand Destiny's gripe with doing away with private health insurance. He never presents an argument for private insurance providing any sort of utility that would be lost under M4A, he just thinks it's too far of a leap from where we are now, and so therefore it's somehow bad. That makes zero sense; if private insurance is bad, then we should absolutely be trying to get rid of it, not keeping it around just because it's what we're used to.

    • @corpusalienum2665
      @corpusalienum2665 5 лет назад +12

      In Norway, where we have a really good public healthcare, there has been a lot of waiting lines for referrals to specialist, different unimportant procedures etc. Private healthcare fills a role here in that people who can afford to pay can get the procedure done outside of the public system, which actually decrease waiting lines overall. There is a lot of debate on where to draw the line of course, and with a conservative (Norwegianly speaking) government, there is an increase in private options and in people having private healthcare, often paid for by an employer. i would say that it fills a role and that it is okay, even benefitial all in all, as long as it does not diminish quality of the public healthcare.

    • @yanggang7
      @yanggang7 5 лет назад +13

      @@corpusalienum2665 I can understand that. And as far as I've seen, wait times are the best argument for keeping some private health insurance around. But the thing is, we can still have some pretty gnarly wait times for procedures here in the US (unless you have the money for a great plan) while still having way worse outcomes overall, so we don't even always get that benefit. I'm not sure it's a good enough reason not to at least fight for a robust single payer system that drastically reduces or eliminates the profit motive.

    • @IMatchoNation
      @IMatchoNation 5 лет назад +2

      @@corpusalienum2665 "Private healthcare fills a role here in that people who can afford to pay can get the procedure done outside of the public system"
      Why aren't these people just working within the public system instead?

    • @corpusalienum2665
      @corpusalienum2665 5 лет назад

      @@IMatchoNation Could be different reasons. Some like the freedom to create their own business, decide their own hours, be their own boss. Some are probably doing it because of profit, or because they can administer their own work hours. Lots of reasons I suppose.

    • @minecraftfan2087
      @minecraftfan2087 5 лет назад +2

      Private insurance isn't bad though, it's just bad alone. No healthcare economist will tell you to abolish private insurance. Private insurance can remove strain from the public system and give everyone better healthcare. The trick is to force the wealthy to pay into the public system through taxes, they can then purchase private insurance of a higher quality than the public service if they so desire usually the higher quality just represents shorter wait times on elective surgeries. This can decrease wait times in the public system while also improving health outcomes for the private insurance buyers. The thing is this only works with a universal care system, the rich people have to also pay into the public system or it will all fall apart.

  • @rsernapolitics3380
    @rsernapolitics3380 5 лет назад +8

    I’m so glad destiny had a professional campaigner. I’m a Campaign Field Director in AZ and destiny has been having bad take after bad take on leftist issues because he doesn’t understand the nature of campaigns and campaigning.
    Also he doesn’t realize Biden is winning in the polls because pollsters survey likely voters and Bernie’s support comes a lot from people who usually don’t participate.
    BERNIE BRINGS OUT NEW VOTERS. WINNING STRATEGY FOR BATTLE GOUND STATES LIKE AZ!

    • @vexed5567
      @vexed5567 3 года назад +1

      well this aged well...

    • @mitchellhoward3209
      @mitchellhoward3209 3 года назад +1

      Id be interested in your current views

    • @rsernapolitics3380
      @rsernapolitics3380 3 года назад

      @@mitchellhoward3209 not too much other than my analysis didn’t predict Bernie running a shitter campaign this time around. Not because really because of the new voter strategy but because they didn’t hold on to their previous coalition.
      The turnout new voter strategy was critical in helping this state go to biden and mark kelly.

  • @David-ft3wp
    @David-ft3wp 5 лет назад +48

    I've watched destiny debates for a few months and this is the first one I've seen that he honestly lost. To be fair most of those were against alt right trumptards, those would be embarrassing to loose. I know destiny didn't pick the topic but dude knew his shit. At first I was thinking here we go again another destroy debate, but damn. I just rethought my views on single payer.

    • @justifiably_stupid4998
      @justifiably_stupid4998 5 лет назад +3

      The affirmative debate argument is that Bernie appeals better to the most voters.
      In a world where no one had a relationship with their employers, Bernie would win. In our current world people have empathy for people who are more well off than them. Bernie's tactic of demonizing the 1% isnt effective in a capitalistic society.
      Bernie would definitely win in South America today.

    • @henhousecannibalstudios310
      @henhousecannibalstudios310 5 лет назад +4

      Brian I think Bernie is extremely effective in America, I think you are badly misdiagnosing the reason Biden can compete against Bernie, it’s really a joke

    • @IMatchoNation
      @IMatchoNation 5 лет назад +2

      @@justifiably_stupid4998 What data are you basing your argument on?

    • @justifiably_stupid4998
      @justifiably_stupid4998 5 лет назад

      @@IMatchoNation i base it on 98% of business being considered "small business" as well as 50% of business being run out of private households. I would have to find the source. My conception is that most people work for someone who they empathize with and would not enjoy watching them be sacrificed for the greater good.

    • @justifiably_stupid4998
      @justifiably_stupid4998 5 лет назад

      @@henhousecannibalstudios310 i think that Americans identify more strongly with racial divisions than class divisions. 5th wave feminist intersectionality has been cultivating racial and gender hatred very successfully.
      A racial demagogue would beat Bernie.

  • @jakestocker4854
    @jakestocker4854 5 лет назад +47

    Destiny became a bit of a Boomer after this debate

  • @mjenkins91
    @mjenkins91 3 года назад +6

    Anyone who listens to mike from pa should actually be embarrassed. That is pathetic to listen tot his guy and actually be dumb enough to think he knows what he’s talking about. I’m a conservative who has almost none of the same opinion as destiny but destiny for example has informed opinions that he came to through logic guided by his morals and values. That’s respectable. Mike wants to be seen as socialist and to have knowledge he doesn’t. I do not respect him in the least and it has nothing to do with his opinions.

  • @officialasa
    @officialasa 5 лет назад +26

    Please debate more right-wingers, Dadstiny

    • @nuance8530
      @nuance8530 5 лет назад +15

      That's already most of his debates. How many times does he need to debunk race realism, flat earth, trump good?

    • @Jasonsmith-sr1ke
      @Jasonsmith-sr1ke 5 лет назад +1

      nuance Flat earth is not a right wing movement.

    • @mypartyisprivate8693
      @mypartyisprivate8693 5 лет назад +1

      i demand my narrative be reinforced

    • @Duckman1616
      @Duckman1616 5 лет назад

      @Joseph_477 Like Ben Shapiro.

    • @zambot264
      @zambot264 5 лет назад +1

      Need more shitshow debates. His old debates were better than the current ones. At least more entertaining ahahaha

  • @Gelsamel
    @Gelsamel 5 лет назад +56

    "It is extreme, therefore bad" ~ Destiny probably

  • @TheSpiritof76
    @TheSpiritof76 5 лет назад +32

    This was a really good debate, Mike is really informed and lots of fun to listen to(banter, memes, not getting butthurt and not behaving like a boomer)
    I hope we get to see more of him in the future.

    • @freedomordeath89
      @freedomordeath89 3 года назад +2

      "informed" The dude said the Soviet Union was great and Cernobyl was a success...

    • @widjadija
      @widjadija 3 года назад +1

      @@freedomordeath89 I'm not a fan of Mike but you can't take one instance where he made a dumb statement and ignore all the good points and facts. That's the most annoying, misleading, and disingenuous thing people and the media do nowadays.

    • @freedomordeath89
      @freedomordeath89 3 года назад

      @@widjadija What did he ever say that was correct? he has a peculiar skill: he manages to f up everything he does/says.
      I think I never heard him say a coherent, truthful statement. Even when he says simple shit, he fucks it up by mixing it with populistic rhetoric or uninformed popular myths.

    • @goinsaneonthedailydemonsinside
      @goinsaneonthedailydemonsinside 8 месяцев назад

      @@freedomordeath89shut up u whiny little f*****

  • @mannysikario
    @mannysikario 5 лет назад +3

    It's soo rare to see Destiny admit he's wrong.

    • @chrisweber759
      @chrisweber759 5 лет назад +1

      Once somebody makes a bullet proof logically sound argument even the most stubborn people can't help but to agree

  • @nuance8530
    @nuance8530 5 лет назад +18

    1:24:40
    Chat trying to tell a political expert they know more about PA.

    • @youare5907
      @youare5907 3 года назад +2

      How do you feel about this political expert pulling his money out on biden vs Bernie cause he knew Bernie would lose?

    • @Stardust_Lily
      @Stardust_Lily 3 года назад

      @@youare5907 That's terrible, but has nothing to do with chat trying to tell a political expert they know more about PA. Someone can do bad things and still be intelligent.

    • @youare5907
      @youare5907 3 года назад +2

      @@Stardust_Lily It shows said political expert had zero confidence in who he says would've won. He also laughed at Destiny bidding on Biden crazy hard but turns out Destiny made the right choice.
      Out of curiosity can chat never disprove something a "political expert" says?

  • @timwcronin
    @timwcronin 5 лет назад +25

    First time watching Destiny. I can see why he has such a huge following. Kudos.

    • @Michael_Paul585
      @Michael_Paul585 5 лет назад +8

      Destiny's debates with race realist alt right types are as gratifying as Sam Seder crushing libertarians.

    • @brandonden795
      @brandonden795 5 лет назад

      @F J "I'm just asking to name one"

  • @54tisfaction
    @54tisfaction 5 лет назад +6

    Why are American debates always "Got'cha!"-debates?
    There are very few "ok, let's figure things out together"-debates...

    • @justifiably_stupid4998
      @justifiably_stupid4998 5 лет назад

      Debate, dialectic, discussion.
      In America we not only disagree on solutions but also the problems. This is why we lean heavier on debates rather than discussions.

    • @54tisfaction
      @54tisfaction 5 лет назад

      @Nohan Jariyath So if there are tons of genuine debates, I see it as problematic that it is the toxic debates that gets most of the attention, and that "drama" is encouraged by the news outlets. It puts information in the backseat.

    • @54tisfaction
      @54tisfaction 5 лет назад

      @@justifiably_stupid4998 most political ideologies disagree on what the problem is. But I still see this type of debates as rare in European politics. Unless it is actually politicians debating.

    • @54tisfaction
      @54tisfaction 5 лет назад

      @Nohan Jariyath Still, I got the impression that Mike foremost was in it to "win" the debate.
      The reason I don't like that kind of debate, is that it sort of makes every debate into just a competition in rethoric, where all things are equal in the end and if you "loose" a debate you simply have to come up with better arguments next time to "win".
      I prefer debates where you try to CONVINCE your opponent, not try to beat him.

    • @54tisfaction
      @54tisfaction 5 лет назад

      @Nohan Jariyath You referensing the debate as about "winning" or "losing" points, illustrates my point and why I dislike this sort of format for it.

  • @AestheticJesus
    @AestheticJesus 3 года назад +2

    Mikes positions here aged like milk Jesus

  • @DanteRatto
    @DanteRatto 5 лет назад +15

    Left is best

  • @anthonyb3714
    @anthonyb3714 3 года назад +5

    Is this the "Owned him" debate that mike talked about

  • @Kitties_are_pretty
    @Kitties_are_pretty 5 лет назад +24

    Cenk's nephew's friend is really killing it lately.

  • @SawChaser
    @SawChaser 4 года назад +3

    Krugman (lol) says the opposite:
    "Further, when considering the opposite side from libertarians-people who combine conservative social opinions with liberal economic opinions, a category Krugman calls "Hardhats"-he says this box is "maybe even emptier."

  • @TheOneTheyCallFrost
    @TheOneTheyCallFrost 5 лет назад +3

    This guy doesn't stop talking. Holy shit.

  • @factjuniorroll
    @factjuniorroll 2 года назад +2

    2:09:37 this aged interestingly, prophecy?

  • @goddesseris4561
    @goddesseris4561 5 лет назад +4

    Destiny got Dave Rubin'd in this debate

  • @MrJustSomeGuy87
    @MrJustSomeGuy87 5 лет назад +5

    39:38 “both Bernie and Sanders were winning in Texas”

  • @tojee_
    @tojee_ 3 года назад +2

    fuck me it's so strange to hear Destiny have a good opinion on REDACTED now, twilight zone going back to this video

  • @justsignmeup911
    @justsignmeup911 5 лет назад +9

    Good to see another person bringing lots of data into a discussion.

  • @za-ir5ni
    @za-ir5ni 5 лет назад +18

    Destiny on a bit of a losing streak in these debates recently lol

    • @GIFT1FROM1THE1GODZ
      @GIFT1FROM1THE1GODZ 5 лет назад +6

      are you kidding? Brooks just talked at him and this man got STOMPED in their follow up debate lol

    • @collindoucet7374
      @collindoucet7374 5 лет назад

      GIFT1FROM1THE1GODZ I mean they started randomly talking about Michael’s debate and then it just turned into another debate, except mike didn’t have his sources ready

    • @za-ir5ni
      @za-ir5ni 5 лет назад +12

      @@GIFT1FROM1THE1GODZ What are you talking about? Destiny says he let Brooks speak but in reality he couldn't come up with arguments to counter him. And then the discussion with Pakman showed he doesn't know what he's talking about with the TPP

    • @stevengracia2346
      @stevengracia2346 5 лет назад +5

      HillDogs triggered by this comment haha

    • @GIFT1FROM1THE1GODZ
      @GIFT1FROM1THE1GODZ 5 лет назад +6

      @@za-ir5ni that is not what happened at all. He let Brooks talk because he was trying to be respectful, and also because two people yelling at each other over Skype results in muting on both ends. He said this post debate. The idea that he had no arguments so that's why brooks spoke as long as he did is absurd and not factual. Brooks just took advantage of Destiny's politeness.

  • @paco1022
    @paco1022 3 года назад +4

    omg these cooments, this is where the leftie arc started i guess

  • @Embrigh
    @Embrigh 4 года назад +4

    This is the difference between when Destiny pulls up studies and when someone actually pulls up a study.

  • @joepaynemusic
    @joepaynemusic 5 лет назад +1

    Maybe Destiny would do better in debates if he turned the Minecraft off for a sec, LOL

  • @luismurillo5855
    @luismurillo5855 3 года назад +3

    Destiny be careful, don't forget what he did to that sofa!

  • @carminedauria-gupta2561
    @carminedauria-gupta2561 5 лет назад +2

    Finally a good debate. Very interesting and informative!

  • @Lukands
    @Lukands 5 лет назад +1

    just finished and this is immediately one of my favorite destiny talks

  • @JesterAzazel
    @JesterAzazel 4 года назад +1

    How the hell is it hard to randomize a list of names? You could literally just write them down in any order and read from that list. Or write a few lines of code and re-order the list every time you click a single button.

  • @chukwu_9
    @chukwu_9 5 лет назад +9

    this was a cool little debate

  • @samuelgaxiola8814
    @samuelgaxiola8814 5 лет назад +7

    I miss the NoBS Tonkasaw Andy Warski arc. Those were fun times.

  • @vagrant9414
    @vagrant9414 5 лет назад +7

    This is legitimate idiocy at it's best
    Destiny has become a liberal version of Sargon. Let's judge the entire socialist movement from peoples comment online.
    Than you ask why we call you a right-winger
    Waiting for the collab with Tim Pool destiny

  • @BRobMint
    @BRobMint 5 лет назад +3

    The best conversation Destiny has had in a while

  • @micmack1006
    @micmack1006 3 года назад +2

    Man it’s so weird seeing *Redacted* from *Redacted* with his mask on

  • @brettrobbins
    @brettrobbins 5 лет назад +3

    The first time in my RUclips-viewing history I've thought seriously of confirming that the default playback speed wasn't somehow set at faster than normal.

    • @justifiably_stupid4998
      @justifiably_stupid4998 5 лет назад +4

      It is 2x speed or bust for me.
      My ears were purging blood by the end of this debate.

    • @brandonden795
      @brandonden795 5 лет назад +2

      2x with Destiny using 2x on any video he watches. Transcend

  • @brettrobbins
    @brettrobbins 5 лет назад +1

    I wasn't aware of the degree to which Destiny has one hand tied behind his back in debates with others than this guy until this guy came along and brought out the best in Destiny. The downside to this, of course, is that I don't know if I can enjoy his debates with those less intelligent and informed than this guy quite as much as I used to be able to.

  • @ArcChristelle
    @ArcChristelle 5 лет назад +3

    This is the most fun Destiny has had in a debate in a while.

  • @nathanmorton7728
    @nathanmorton7728 5 лет назад +17

    Destiny got NOTIFICATION BELLED in this debate.

  • @Orca_Blacksail
    @Orca_Blacksail 5 лет назад +2

    Bravo, bravo. Guy is a young Steve Kornacki.
    Finally getting to see a two way intellectual debate and not one guy playing chess while the other football. Mike from PA even helped Destiny carry his baggage from past debates.

  • @topdoggkyle87
    @topdoggkyle87 4 года назад +2

    He’s wrong about Chernobyl; that could NEVER have happened in the United States.

    • @wisetrollman
      @wisetrollman 4 года назад

      Yes he is a lying soviet apologist.

  • @Onus6688
    @Onus6688 5 лет назад +2

    This is one of the best segments you've had on your twitch show, more stuff like this.. I don't mind the dunking on dumb conservatives but it's nice to have some of this informative stuff too

  • @johndoe-gt4rx
    @johndoe-gt4rx 3 года назад +2

    This felt like when i walk into best buy as someone who works in tech and the floor sales associate try's to convince me to buy Microsoft surface and upsell me on an accessory package when i asked to buy some ram.

  • @kellymoderator5253
    @kellymoderator5253 5 лет назад +6

    Destiny factory farmed chickens in this debate

  • @TheHadMatters
    @TheHadMatters 5 лет назад +3

    I'm a left-wing European, and I love you, comment section, but I gotta tell you guys, if you can't quote timestamps where Mike "gave Destiny the L", Destiny is going to read your comment as: "I want Bernie to win, therefore I want to believe everyone who claims he can win."

  • @Xfroste
    @Xfroste 5 лет назад +20

    I arrived first to this debate

  • @mr.v8467
    @mr.v8467 5 лет назад +7

    31:20 seems like the discussion should be done here.....but 2 more hours...

  • @Akixkisu
    @Akixkisu 5 лет назад +1

    This discussion is actually fantastic.

  • @nathantripathy
    @nathantripathy 4 года назад +3

    Destiny, this guy is terrible. Please don't have him back. Every time he wanted to say something he wheedled at you to stipulate to the position he was planning to argue against. You never even stated your beliefs/positions. You just said ok repeatedly so he would go. The guy talked about how smart he was and how much he knows everything. I'm surprised he's involved in public political life given how entirely socially inept be was trying to be right by simply bowling over with you as if you'll become overwhelmed and believe whatever he tells you. Please never again.

    • @wisetrollman
      @wisetrollman 4 года назад +5

      You dont have to worry about anymore, the guy was outed as a LARPing tankie

    • @connorendres4544
      @connorendres4544 4 года назад +4

      wisetrollman PepeLaugh

    • @bcs259
      @bcs259 3 года назад

      Such a based comment by the way

  • @StolenPvP
    @StolenPvP 5 лет назад +37

    This guy needs to come on again. He needs to be platformed every day.

    • @sameash3153
      @sameash3153 3 года назад +3

      Nah lol

    • @widjadija
      @widjadija 3 года назад +7

      This comment didn’t age well

  • @yurona5155
    @yurona5155 5 лет назад +1

    Something akin to the ban on duplicate coverage in Bernie's plan may actually be necessary - that is even with a parallel private system in-place. By creating a default "virtual monopsony" it mainly allows for a somewhat efficient and predictable price setting mechanism that is not subject to various exploits the insurance industry could otherwise run against it, i.e. its primary aim is not necessarily to make supplemental private insurance impossible. Regulation like this could still leave plenty of room for differentiated additional policies - for example covering single-bedroom accomodation during hospital visits, treatment using non-standard or "alternative" medicine, all sorts of non-default preventative diagnostics / specialized care and so on. So interpreting this provision as a "ban on private insurance" might be a bit premature (or even misguided)...

  • @sebastianholzl4668
    @sebastianholzl4668 3 года назад +2

    7:43
    Hit the motherf*ckin' follow button.

  • @ichigogeek
    @ichigogeek 3 года назад +2

    "Times of peace before the war" CIRCA 2019, captured in Bosnia right before Destiny Ferdinand's last stop in the "Bernie or Bust" sandwich shop.

  • @AhriMcCoy
    @AhriMcCoy 5 лет назад +1

    This guy is the best. Have him back

  • @johnathanreyes118
    @johnathanreyes118 5 лет назад +6

    I love this new better hasan

  • @emil246
    @emil246 5 лет назад +7

    Mike talked more than Michael brooks in this debate

    • @Jay-zt1pq
      @Jay-zt1pq 5 лет назад

      And yet somehow he was still more respectful 🤔

  • @TheRealSaintNickNorthside
    @TheRealSaintNickNorthside 5 лет назад +4

    This was the best debate Destiny's ever done. Thoroughly enjoyed it!

  • @ridgerunner7602
    @ridgerunner7602 3 года назад

    One of the better discussions to listen to out of all the Destiny RUclips videos, wish they all went this way. :-)

    • @andrew66769
      @andrew66769 3 года назад +2

      Haha, I'm guessing you haven't seen the future interactions with mike from [REDACTED] ?

  • @echiee8427
    @echiee8427 5 лет назад +1

    why am I being recommended a RUclips movie called "the red pill" ?

  • @DeadMarine1980
    @DeadMarine1980 5 лет назад +2

    Destiny is so tacking towards Tim Pool we'll start seeing pictures of Destiny hanging out with White Supremacists.

  • @davidjohnson5557
    @davidjohnson5557 3 года назад +3

    Mike from PA is a clout chaser.

  • @ceka50
    @ceka50 2 года назад +1

    I just want conversations like this where both people are actually engaging with the other person's point. I'm not saying i need top tier intellectual debate it's just a bare minimum i need to stay sane listening to a conversation where both people actually hear the other person's point

    • @ChipCheerio
      @ChipCheerio 2 года назад

      It’s just a shame that Mike from CCP is a total snake

  • @Amgitstigma
    @Amgitstigma 5 лет назад +2

    I really like Mike.

  • @michaelrch
    @michaelrch 5 лет назад +1

    How is Medicare for All more extreme than a system like the UK which is fully publicly funded and publicly provided?
    Btw the NHS is a national religion in the UK. It has become a shibboleth for all political parties. That is what will happen to Medicare to All, just like it happened to Social Security.

  • @Somniostatic
    @Somniostatic 5 лет назад +1

    Who the fuck plays games during a debate. It's disrespectful.

  • @nolanmartin3573
    @nolanmartin3573 5 лет назад +3

    Titles like this are add to why people say Steven is bad faith. He's gotta keep his brand that he never loses debates, even when he does. Kinda like Shapiro