"Show me the context in which Gusano is a racial slur." Uh Mike, buddy, big brain boi, you realize that using someone's ethnic heritage to insult them IS exactly the context of every racial slur ever? Destiny even showcases this to Mike and his retort is: "Well, it depends, a lot of Cuban exiles are right-wing conservatives," let me stop you right there. What does that have to do with anything? They are right-wing thus its ok? What?
You are a fucking idiot. Do you think calling a white guy cracker is racist? You liberals have zero analysis of power. You think anything related to ethnicity is racist? Most gusano are white you fucking idiot, you have zero idea what a slur is or what makes something a slur. You not liking something doesn't make it a slur but dgg is at that level i guess where anything destiny says is law.
@@imgayasheck595 Using one's heritage/ethnicity, an immutable characteristic, to insult someone is by default racism. Insulting a white person for being white is racism, you ideologue.
@@CrestOfArtorias "Using one's heritage/ethnicity, an immutable characteristic, to insult someone is by default racism." But Mike was insulting him for his political views. calling Destiny a gusano is like calling JLP or Candace Owens uncle toms. (ps, destiny called a black conservative woman an uncle tom before. did you have a problem with that?)
Imgay Asheck No one outside of your braindead echo chamber accepts your definition of racism. Fucking NO ONE. Every normal person thinks you guys are fucking insane when you use your bullshit redefinition of the word. Your dipshit take isn’t taken seriously by any serious person, period.
It’s so weird listening to someone who sounds like they are about to get to the point in the very next sentence, but every next sentence it sounds like he will be getting to the point in the next sentence again and then the point just never comes. Idk how he does it but I’m honestly impressed. Master of suspense and disappointment
It's like the south park episode with game of thrones. Butters: "I keep watching that show and I'm still waiting for the darn dragons to show up and kick everyone's butt, but all I get is wiener wiener wiener..."
2:01:42 this is probably my favorite moment where mike can’t actually explain why trump is racist and has to have destiny explain it for him and then tries to take credit for it. Lmao
@ he explicitly admits to entering the Mindwaves debate in total bad faith. He’s says he was expecting to right him off when he wouldn’t apologized for breaking confidence, not the sexist part. Wait Mike, how is that better?
@@latheredtrillionaire5701 dude. Badbunny said that she would throw up if she met a bisexual black man. She compared dating black men to dating people with physical disabilities. shes a piece of shit.
@@latheredtrillionaire5701 Wouldnt be that hard to beat bad bunny in that aspect. Literally just do the basics (don't kill etc) and dont spam the n and f word everywhere. You would have to try to be as bad as bad bunny, no pun intended.
"I mean, here's the problem: I understand that this is a complex issue, so let me explain, because that's a really interesting question, so if you were asking me, I'd say that it's what we've been talking about this whole time, which, just keep in mind, if you wanna know what i said, even though this is like, the most boring conversation i've ever had, but from the perspective of the audience, it depends on the context, which i don't know why you're failing to understand that what this ultimately comes down to, can be thought of simply, i guess, though personally, i don't actually care , even though this is a good question, i just honestly want to say that i prefer free-form conversations, because it's an important distinction, and you're probably curious, so let me explain, that the point is, if you would just let me get to the point, OKAY SO WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE-SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE, Is you've made me tired, okay? Thats whatcha fucking did, that's all you did. I'm already emotionally done, I've had a full day, I'm intending to put my kids to bed, you've made me fucking tired, thats what I'm fucking right now."
because if people knew Petersons position it would be easier to understand that he is a fraud. Mike isn't trying to hide anything though, it's a baseless analogy.
@@KingOfShenanigan He isn't a fraud. He's been lied about the most in the media. Even Joe Rogan thinks there's no one else more misinterpreted or lied about than him
Quitting is pointless because the system won’t change if one moral cop quits his job and it would only jeopardize the cop’s own livelihood and his family
Plus, doesn't that just make it worse? 20 good cops on force, 40 bad cops on force. Good cops leave 40 bad cops on force, only bad cops on force. ???? That doesn't sound very fun.
I get it's the internet and not everyone is a saint and whatever but... it's still just sort of shocking to see someone lie shamelessly and straight-up with video evidence that they're full of it. When I lie I sweat bullets. Mike will just outright lie, then call Destiny a liar with a smile on his face.
@@KingOfShenanigan The most blatant point is at 1:19:50 where he says "There's literally nothing soviet on my stream." Seconds later we see that his banners are Red and Gold-The colors of the flag of the soviet union, in a blocky Sans-Serif font reminiscent of the Soviet Union, and the icon for his podcast is the symbol for California placed into a soviet heraldic wreath. Then he feigns ignorance as if there's no way we'd draw a reasonable conclusion that he's using Soviet iconography. "I have no fucking idea... Do you have a problem with red?" The least he could do is own up to it and say "Yeah, I use Soviet iconography, but I don't think it's bad." Stand by his beliefs. But instead, he lies and obfuscates. If he was on the right-wing doing the same thing he'd be -rightfully- called out for dog-whistling or being so oblivious to cultural and historical symbolism that his opinion can't be taken seriously. Sorry for the long reply.
@@Awaken_To_0 The rest of the quote from the time stamp you provided: Mike from PA: "there's literally nothing Soviet on my stream. Actually that's wrong. Wait; Wait; Wait; Correction: as a meme for this entirely ridiculous attack, I created a t-72 emot, which is a tank. A Soviet tank" Can you admit that you an dishonestiny are reaching for psudeo-criticism of Mike. Mike claims that the Soviet iconography is a sarcastic meme to make fun of the fact that people accuse him of being a tankie.
@@Awaken_To_0 I have some tankie friends. I believe Mike when he says he is not a tankie because I know his politics. (His and mine are closely aligned.) He is a social democrat/democratic socialist which is ideologically distinct from TANKIEism (AKA bolshevism, Marxist-Leninism, Stalinism)
@@KingOfShenanigan No, Mike does not-or at least did not in this debate- claim that all the soviet iconography is a sarcastic meme. he claimed that single specific tank emote was a meme. When confronted with the font and color scheme he denies it has any soviet connotations. This is either 1) Pretty oblivious, but benign or 2) a Lie. If someone like No BS or Stephan Molyneux was doing the same thing they would be called out for dog-whistling. The standards don't change because Mike is on a different side. As to whether he is a tankie, I don't know. it's impossible to really know what goes on in his heart and mind. What I can know though is that in this case what he said is not in accordance with reality and when confronted on that he obfuscates. He did lie, and that makes me less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@RabidDogma sure I guess you think Mike from PA is good faith despite being disingenuous about his dogwhistling, using jordan Peterson tactics saying he didn't explicitly call mindwaves sexist and doing so when he hasn't even looked up the number of women on past podcasts, defending bad bunny and saying the critiques of mindwaves is systemic when it's clearly a personal attack etc.
@@jon9428 They don't have any humor. Everyone blocked eachother until they were in there little safe-spaces (left and right). That's why it's a dead/dying website. But even the troll community on FJ became trash. I would post a smug anime girl and make a stupid comment. Now the "trolls" on FJ post gore and fucked up shit. RIP.
GOD i hate the way this guy talks....like how he thinks a politician sounds. until he gets triggered. then he sounds exactly like that annoying drunk bro who can't take a hint and gets offended when you try to ignore him.
Wow Mike acting pretty snakey in this debate. How hard is it to own a position. Even if Mike thinks Destiny acts in bad faith that doesn't mean Mike acting in bad faith looks good. I wish people would just try to argue in good faith about ideas regardless of personal quibbles. Defending racial slurs is so fucking yikes.
WTF just because a stream doesn't have women on doesn't mean its sexist at all. If the stream actively excludes women, right on, but if the stream tries to get women to join and they have no interest, how is that sexism? Like what?
Wow, my opinion of Mike from PA has dramatically changed. I've never seen someone pivot so many times within a conversation. Also, the sudden and inexplicable disruptions that would occur coincidentally when he was being pressed to hard. 🤣
Imagine a reactionary to far-right channel named "Breathing Room," that used German Fraktur/Tannenberg font, only used the colors black and red, used symbols just a shade off copyright infringement of Falangist Spain, or Fascist Romania, and in their emotes they used a Roman soldier doing the "Hail" salute, or perhaps an image of burned books. Also in their reddit multiple threads about denying the holocaust, and "fashy" memes are found. That's Mike from CCP right now.
Enoch destroying all diversity arguments by simply arguing that Japanese didn't need a domestic black population to incorporate jazz into Cowboy Beebop
@@SI-cd7xs This is such a stupid argument, and you desperately copy/pasted it all over the place. Hopefully you've grown up and realized, in the 2 years since, how fucking cringe this was.
@@Rensoku611 I mean, if you want to argue that it isn't, then do that. Mike, however, is clearly being intentionally obtuse by pretending he hasn't branded his online content with various Soviet iconography.
I'm curious, and yeah I'm pretty curious, I'm curious, I'm curious, I'm pretty curious, I mean yeah I'm pretty curious, and yeah I'm curious, like I'm super fucking curious, like yeah I'm curious dude.
I want someone to watch this video with a counter for how many times Mike from PA says that the difference between personal racism and structural racism *matters* vs how many times he says it *doesn't matter.*
Right? Just in describing his discussion with mindwaves he said that he was explaining to mindwaves the difference between the two and just moments later he says that in his eyes there is no real difference. I don't know why destiny didn't hold his feet to the fire for that massive contradiction he makes time and time again.
@@SpookyEggs I don't know that's a really hard one. I feel like when Nick is dishonest its more to fuck with people and wind them up, not because hes scared of his opinions being leaked. When Mike from CCP does it its because hes a spineless fucking coward who's only concerns are simping for whatever girl he fucks at the time and virtue signaling to his audience of commie dumbfucks.
I am considerably left of Destiny, but I always watch his streams because he is very genuine and has very good points. And when I saw the first debate with Mike I was excited cause I thought he had found a "rival" from the left with which he could have heated debates. But the more I hear and watch Mike the more I realize how full of shit he is, and how bad he makes the left look
Destiny wouldn't even admit conservative voters want immigration control. "Instead of being concerned with the destruction of Western Civilization, just go outside and play!" Enoch destroying all diversity arguments by simply arguing that Japanese didn't need a domestic black population to incorporate jazz into Cowboy Beebop
Holy shit, like always. I can't just set a single volume level and do other shit because I have to consistently ensure my hand is over the media keys for when the inevitable "WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT" explodes out of my speakers and no doubt confirms the suspicion of anyone nearby that I am indeed insane.
At the start of the Lefty arc everyone was talking about how Destiny supposedly got L's and was out of his depth, now people almost pity the same people, like Mald, getting torn to shreds. The fascism argument was also incredibly stupid, he said that fascist countries lost (overly simplistic) when the question was if there are any plus sides to fascism.
Remember when people were asking to talk to Mike from PA because he could articulate the points well before their first debate? Also wasn't Spain fascist for decades too or is that a meme?
I never realized how weird these people on the far left are until Destiny exposed them. I still consider myself left wing but I didn't realize how dishonest and pathetic some of these people are.
Mike managed to change the entire conversation from him kinda maybe without explicitly saying MindWaves is sexist to Chinese policy in 30 seconds 1:05:30
I don't understand how Mike from PA has survived to be his age. He has got to get punched in the face at least once a day if he talks like this normally.
Mike is completely clueless. Public sector in Norway as percentage of GDP is 48%. Less than sweden, denmark, italy, belgium, austria, france, greece, to name a few. It’s certainly not 70%. And wealth ownership is fucking irrelevant to his argument. Most of that wealth is from taxing private oil & gas companies. Additionally, 70% of the population work in the private sector. The term «Social democracy» does not imply we have a «socialist economy». We don’t. In fact, socialism is so notoriously unpopular that even the Socialist Left Party (which polls at like 8%) is for a capitalist mixed economy, even if they’re critical of some aspects of it. Mike should retire.
you forgot to mention that the interm president was approved by the supreme court (you know, those people who had to be approved by morales to be elected)
@fluoxy L. i was watching the trihex drama on another channel youtube recommended because everything got here a week late, but now it seems up to date just like 1 david pakman conversation missing
PenguinDog I’m pretty sure he at least indirectly defender her by trying to brand those who called her out for being greedy incels. All the funnier given his sleazy demeanor.
PenguinDog Insert someone obviously bad into Mike’s quotes and try to see if that passes the litmus test of defending them or not. Would someone saying “People just attack Hitler because he wasn’t nice and he’s an attractive man.” not sound like they’re defensive of why they’re being criticized or is he not being defensive because “he didn’t say” explicitly that he was defending her?
Lol destiny claims to care about minorities when it suits him. When the Bolivian president calls indigenous people demons and doesnt prosecute instances of them being murdered thats hot racist or anything. He's a hypocrite
It still feels so weird how lefties defend using the word gusano against destiny. I genuinely feel like a lot of lefty streamers would be shouting the n word at black people in call of duty if it weren't for clout and social repercussions.
I truly hate the term 'simp', because I truly believe you can enjoy a female streamer without it being a concession to your manhood. But Jesus, I've never wanted to use the term more here....
Honestly I can understand why debating certain leftists like Destiny did would be horrible. Mike is probably the most spineless but he can't even own or claim a position in a debate. The positions are a secondary problem. Not being able to defend them or running away from them is the main problem.
D:"this thing is x" M:"can you prove that?" D:"yeah so-" M:*fucking screams and burps* D:"okay so-" M:*screams* D:"so-" M:"SO YOU CANT PROVE IT??" D:"Im about to if you-" M:*burps* "ah sorry chat missed the mute button for the 10th time to force myself to burp to seem like idc" D:"okay so when this thing-" M:*screams burps* "you're pivoting"
When he said 'its ok that gusano is used as they came up with it themselves".. what about the N-word, black people have reclaimed this word and use it themselves.. how is this an argument
If Asian people did 80% of the murders in the country and the cops said "Maybe we should pay closer attention to Asian people when there's a murder involved," are we suddenly going to ask all cops to quit their job because they're not idiots? I've never understood how dumb the idea is that if a particular type of person, regardless of race, is responsible for the overwhelming majority of a particular crime. Why the fuck WOULDN'T you have a bias towards suspecting a person of that group is responsible? If someone said "Hey, some dude with one leg robbed my store and ran!" You're essentially telling cops they have to stop as many two-legged people and interrogate them as one-legged people otherwise they're being prejudice to one-legged people. How does nobody understand how counter-intuitive this is? If black people are being "targeted by the system," maybe black people ought to stop breaking the law? Why are we trying to enforce the inverse of this? Oh black people keep breaking the law, let's get rid of the law or change the law so that they are no longer breaking the law. I was raised poor, I didn't rob any stores. I didn't sell drugs to my neighbors or friends. You just don't fuckin' do it. Problem solved. Now you don't have to go to prison. Enjoy.
I guess the argument would be that "historically" these claims were made to justify bad behaviour towards minorities. Which while true doesn't void that your example could still be true and should be taken seriously.
@@gordieallen6422 Nah bruv. Not gonna rake through dozens of hour-long debates. Some are in his Jontron debates, some in the Sargon debates, some in the Fuentes debates. You can watch 'em all. He talks about overproportional policing of black neighbourhoods, racial injustice in sentencing and how disadvantaged communities are more prone to crime not due to some genetic reason, but because people are a product of their environment, which in the case if the US means for many black people shitty housing, shitty education, little perspective in social mobility and proximity to existing crime structures, all the time. There are hallmark studies on these topics as well, by the way. If you make points like your initial comment, you must be aware of them. If not, you are like three decades behind the discussion, so stop wasting everyone's time with your youtube comments and read.
@@peffiSC2source Overproportional policing of black neighborhoods seems to walk hand-in-hand with a logical consequence to whether or not there exists a disproportionate amount of crime in said neighborhoods. Racial injustice for sentencing could be contextual but if it boils down to "I'm black so I get longer sentences purely because I'm black," sure that's an injustice and I'm on your side. Do you think that maybe black people selling drugs to other black people or killing other black people in droves might be a direct cause to whether or not that environment exists in the first place? Do you have zero agency as a human being to determine whether or not it's morally just to pollute your friends and community members with what you know to be wrong doings and to perpetuate those things and to make excuses for yourself but to act as though everyone else is now responsible for what you personally refuse to hold yourself accountable for? I was poor. I had shitty house. I had a shitty education. You're not describing a black experience, you're describing a poor experience. We had black people in my community, I was wigger throughout most of my school experience because we had a lot in common when I was kid. The ones that paid attention in school, took their education seriously, and aspired to be something better, did. Those who didn't, didn't. How is that a reflection on the system being at fault rather than the individual? I also live in fucking Arkansas. Seems to me that there'd be a lot more racism running rampant around these parts as opposed to... I don't know, California? I'd be willing to read those studies if you could cite any that SPECIFICALLY address these SPECIFIC things as opposed to something sorta kinda in the same ballpark but don't necessarily draw a direct causal link and are being used to leverage arguments for a more liberal leaning speaker's argument.
I didnt realize this the first time I watched this but Mike literally asks him to state a good thing fascism can do and when he answers it its, "oh so you like fascism? Got em!"
Calling someone a sexist for a disparity in a particular area is not a fucking critique. The racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, attack is a way to AVOID engaging with arguments.
One time I tried to pivot like Mike and sprained my ankle. His influence causes harm. Irresponsible platforming.
Amazin
honestly if anyone walked away from this video thinking mike looked good their brain is fried
Mike from PA has better pivots than Mike from Chicago.
Isn't it great being a year ahead of the trend?
@@skyefox Yeah, but Mike from Chicago’s got nothing on Mike from New Jersey, better comparison. XD
Mike from Pivoting Association.
Mike from PA? Hmm I wonder what his name and location is based off of that alias
bruh!, why are you doxing him wtf! D:
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"Show me the context in which Gusano is a racial slur."
Uh Mike, buddy, big brain boi, you realize that using someone's ethnic heritage to insult them IS exactly the context of every racial slur ever?
Destiny even showcases this to Mike and his retort is:
"Well, it depends, a lot of Cuban exiles are right-wing conservatives," let me stop you right there. What does that have to do with anything? They are right-wing thus its ok? What?
You are a fucking idiot. Do you think calling a white guy cracker is racist? You liberals have zero analysis of power. You think anything related to ethnicity is racist? Most gusano are white you fucking idiot, you have zero idea what a slur is or what makes something a slur. You not liking something doesn't make it a slur but dgg is at that level i guess where anything destiny says is law.
@@imgayasheck595 Using one's heritage/ethnicity, an immutable characteristic, to insult someone is by default racism.
Insulting a white person for being white is racism, you ideologue.
@@CrestOfArtorias "Using one's heritage/ethnicity, an immutable characteristic, to insult someone is by default racism." But Mike was insulting him for his political views. calling Destiny a gusano is like calling JLP or Candace Owens uncle toms. (ps, destiny called a black conservative woman an uncle tom before. did you have a problem with that?)
Destiny has argued the position that uncle tom isn't a racial slur. For example his debate with patty politics.
Imgay Asheck No one outside of your braindead echo chamber accepts your definition of racism. Fucking NO ONE. Every normal person thinks you guys are fucking insane when you use your bullshit redefinition of the word. Your dipshit take isn’t taken seriously by any serious person, period.
Mike falsifies the Christian God by backtracking to the beginning of time in this debate
😂😂😂
Damn bro 4 years later and this comment still a banger 😮
@@CRWeaventureall of these comments age like a fine wine
It’s so weird listening to someone who sounds like they are about to get to the point in the very next sentence, but every next sentence it sounds like he will be getting to the point in the next sentence again and then the point just never comes. Idk how he does it but I’m honestly impressed. Master of suspense and disappointment
It's like the south park episode with game of thrones.
Butters: "I keep watching that show and I'm still waiting for the darn dragons to show up and kick everyone's butt, but all I get is wiener wiener wiener..."
"*Sets up a point*, uh by the way, *pivot, sets up another point*, uh by the way by the way *pivots again*"
“(Realizes he’s wrong) if you were LISTENING, Destiny, you’d realize I was actually talking about THIS new topic!”
it's like if a marvel tv show could debate
2:01:42 this is probably my favorite moment where mike can’t actually explain why trump is racist and has to have destiny explain it for him and then tries to take credit for it. Lmao
@ he explicitly admits to entering the Mindwaves debate in total bad faith. He’s says he was expecting to right him off when he wouldn’t apologized for breaking confidence, not the sexist part. Wait Mike, how is that better?
2:28:50.
I don't want to be a woman in this community anymore if bad bunny is considered good female representation.
Yeah, I'm sure you've a much bigger brain- a paragon of morality. Lol
@@latheredtrillionaire5701 what are you even talking about?
@@latheredtrillionaire5701 dude. Badbunny said that she would throw up if she met a bisexual black man. She compared dating black men to dating people with physical disabilities. shes a piece of shit.
@@latheredtrillionaire5701 Wouldnt be that hard to beat bad bunny in that aspect. Literally just do the basics (don't kill etc) and dont spam the n and f word everywhere. You would have to try to be as bad as bad bunny, no pun intended.
Don't worry, you're a DGGer. You're not a part of the leftist community.
"I mean, here's the problem: I understand that this is a complex issue, so let me explain, because that's a really interesting question, so if you were asking me, I'd say that it's what we've been talking about this whole time, which, just keep in mind, if you wanna know what i said, even though this is like, the most boring conversation i've ever had, but from the perspective of the audience, it depends on the context, which i don't know why you're failing to understand that what this ultimately comes down to, can be thought of simply, i guess, though personally, i don't actually care , even though this is a good question, i just honestly want to say that i prefer free-form conversations, because it's an important distinction, and you're probably curious, so let me explain, that the point is, if you would just let me get to the point, OKAY SO WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE-SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE, Is you've made me tired, okay? Thats whatcha fucking did, that's all you did. I'm already emotionally done, I've had a full day, I'm intending to put my kids to bed, you've made me fucking tired, thats what I'm fucking right now."
😂 classic! Is that actually the exact quote too?
@@psychologyenjoy at the end? yea lol
@fluoxy L. I'm not convinced hes actually sleeping with her.
@@kwint8635 I'm actually pretty convinced he's not
Top 10 anime twist endings
Jordan Peterson: I'm the master at hiding the majority of my opinions.
Mike: Hold my position, because I won't
@@GuyShōtō Be saddened by your underrated idiocy first!
because if people knew Petersons position it would be easier to understand that he is a fraud. Mike isn't trying to hide anything though, it's a baseless analogy.
@@subashchandra9557 .
@@KingOfShenanigan He isn't a fraud. He's been lied about the most in the media. Even Joe Rogan thinks there's no one else more misinterpreted or lied about than him
@@anti1training even Joe Rogan... Wow
Quitting is pointless because the system won’t change if one moral cop quits his job and it would only jeopardize the cop’s own livelihood and his family
Plus, doesn't that just make it worse?
20 good cops on force, 40 bad cops on force.
Good cops leave
40 bad cops on force, only bad cops on force.
???? That doesn't sound very fun.
@@italianwaffle5592 or they'll eventually replace those 20 cops with bad cops since all the good ones quit
I get it's the internet and not everyone is a saint and whatever but... it's still just sort of shocking to see someone lie shamelessly and straight-up with video evidence that they're full of it. When I lie I sweat bullets. Mike will just outright lie, then call Destiny a liar with a smile on his face.
When does he lie? Time stamp?
@@KingOfShenanigan The most blatant point is at 1:19:50 where he says "There's literally nothing soviet on my stream." Seconds later we see that his banners are Red and Gold-The colors of the flag of the soviet union, in a blocky Sans-Serif font reminiscent of the Soviet Union, and the icon for his podcast is the symbol for California placed into a soviet heraldic wreath. Then he feigns ignorance as if there's no way we'd draw a reasonable conclusion that he's using Soviet iconography. "I have no fucking idea... Do you have a problem with red?"
The least he could do is own up to it and say "Yeah, I use Soviet iconography, but I don't think it's bad." Stand by his beliefs. But instead, he lies and obfuscates. If he was on the right-wing doing the same thing he'd be -rightfully- called out for dog-whistling or being so oblivious to cultural and historical symbolism that his opinion can't be taken seriously. Sorry for the long reply.
@@Awaken_To_0 The rest of the quote from the time stamp you provided:
Mike from PA:
"there's literally nothing Soviet on my stream. Actually that's wrong. Wait; Wait; Wait; Correction: as a meme for this entirely ridiculous attack, I created a t-72 emot, which is a tank. A Soviet tank"
Can you admit that you an dishonestiny are reaching for psudeo-criticism of Mike. Mike claims that the Soviet iconography is a sarcastic meme to make fun of the fact that people accuse him of being a tankie.
@@Awaken_To_0 I have some tankie friends. I believe Mike when he says he is not a tankie because I know his politics. (His and mine are closely aligned.) He is a social democrat/democratic socialist which is ideologically distinct from TANKIEism (AKA bolshevism, Marxist-Leninism, Stalinism)
@@KingOfShenanigan No, Mike does not-or at least did not in this debate- claim that all the soviet iconography is a sarcastic meme. he claimed that single specific tank emote was a meme. When confronted with the font and color scheme he denies it has any soviet connotations. This is either 1) Pretty oblivious, but benign or 2) a Lie. If someone like No BS or Stephan Molyneux was doing the same thing they would be called out for dog-whistling. The standards don't change because Mike is on a different side.
As to whether he is a tankie, I don't know. it's impossible to really know what goes on in his heart and mind. What I can know though is that in this case what he said is not in accordance with reality and when confronted on that he obfuscates. He did lie, and that makes me less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
What a weasel, Jesus, but pretty entertaining watching him swivel.
To anybody who's still on the fence on Mike being good faith or not, watch this and be astounded, it's worth it.
him on the rajj was enough for me to know what he is, I wonder if he left that feeling embarrassed of himself, because he should
I love watching DGGers explain their delusions to prop Steven up after each loss. It's like a centrist version of Trump's fan base.
@@RabidDogma sure I guess you think Mike from PA is good faith despite being disingenuous about his dogwhistling, using jordan Peterson tactics saying he didn't explicitly call mindwaves sexist and doing so when he hasn't even looked up the number of women on past podcasts, defending bad bunny and saying the critiques of mindwaves is systemic when it's clearly a personal attack etc.
@@axlglenn2156 Imagine actually thinking he did those things. Wow.
@@RabidDogma What about the "cuban is not a race so its not a racial slur" stuff? Did that also not happen?
Mike didn't pass the BAR exam in this debate.
@@jon9428 Remember when FJ wasn't inhabited by Neo-Nazis? I regret my roll in destroying that dead website.
@@jon9428 They don't have any humor. Everyone blocked eachother until they were in there little safe-spaces (left and right). That's why it's a dead/dying website. But even the troll community on FJ became trash. I would post a smug anime girl and make a stupid comment. Now the "trolls" on FJ post gore and fucked up shit. RIP.
@@jon9428 Posting a gif of a dog getting beaten to death with a shovel is low IQ. That's not trolling, that's being a subhuman.
GOD i hate the way this guy talks....like how he thinks a politician sounds. until he gets triggered. then he sounds exactly like that annoying drunk bro who can't take a hint and gets offended when you try to ignore him.
Everything he says is with an arrogant fake amusement too. Its infuriating to listen to
Destiny doxed Mike from PA in this debate
1:20:00 Was hilarious.
“There is literally nothing... wait wait. As a MEME-“
Jay Lee and hen he pretended like there was no connection. Was it a meme or not? Shit.
Wow Mike acting pretty snakey in this debate. How hard is it to own a position. Even if Mike thinks Destiny acts in bad faith that doesn't mean Mike acting in bad faith looks good. I wish people would just try to argue in good faith about ideas regardless of personal quibbles. Defending racial slurs is so fucking yikes.
But honestly, do you think any of his friends would care for him if he actually contested any of their actions or beliefs?
@@aarnitus Regardless I would hope leftists would be principled.
@Nick Bacigalupo incorrect, I'm post leftist. You might be on the right ☞(⌐■_■)☞
@Nick Bacigalupo I read all of the sentences, I thought all of them were dumb. I stand by my original statement.
@Nick Bacigalupo this is easily applicable to bad faith actors of all stripes. This isnt a left thing.
This dude has the voice of a troll, I can't shake the feeling that EVERYTHING he say's is in bad faith...
He's trying to troll but he's too asspained to keep up the bit.
You're feeling is nothing more than that.
@@KingOfShenanigan Oh jeez, if you can't use the proper 'your', log the fuck off.
@@xMorbidArtx lol
WTF just because a stream doesn't have women on doesn't mean its sexist at all. If the stream actively excludes women, right on, but if the stream tries to get women to join and they have no interest, how is that sexism? Like what?
Because BadBunny said it was...you know, that utter bastion of progressive beliefs.
Wow, my opinion of Mike from PA has dramatically changed. I've never seen someone pivot so many times within a conversation. Also, the sudden and inexplicable disruptions that would occur coincidentally when he was being pressed to hard. 🤣
Imagine a reactionary to far-right channel named "Breathing Room," that used German Fraktur/Tannenberg font, only used the colors black and red, used symbols just a shade off copyright infringement of Falangist Spain, or Fascist Romania, and in their emotes they used a Roman soldier doing the "Hail" salute, or perhaps an image of burned books. Also in their reddit multiple threads about denying the holocaust, and "fashy" memes are found.
That's Mike from CCP right now.
Vegan Stoic Linux Warrior Monk how are you subbed to every racist and progressive on RUclips
@@landonjacob8922 Because some people don't like living in an echo chamber.
"Both sides"
- you
This debate is so nostalgic, it's like watching the old Destiny debate. I miss this kinda dank quality content
I REALLY didnt think he’d be this bad. This was ridicioulus to watch live...
Harley Sonder dude it was a fucking slaughter, I couldn’t believe this conversation could even happen.
How can one person be so disingenuous and stupid on purpose. It's like the left Nobullsit
@@Seaneey Also the lawyer thing is ridiculous.
Enoch destroying all diversity arguments by simply arguing that Japanese didn't need a domestic black population to incorporate jazz into Cowboy Beebop
@@SI-cd7xs This is such a stupid argument, and you desperately copy/pasted it all over the place. Hopefully you've grown up and realized, in the 2 years since, how fucking cringe this was.
Omfg the I’m not a tanki while looking at red and yellow font is hilarious
Don't forget the tank emoji lol
@@VonniXfiles funny thing is that idiot choose at tank that was used by pretty much everyone including the US for agressor training
The timing at 1:19:51 is actually too good.
"Literally nothing... oh wait wait WAIT..."
Soviet iconography bad mkay
@@Rensoku611 destiny showed communist iconography in this debate
@@Rensoku611 I mean, if you want to argue that it isn't, then do that. Mike, however, is clearly being intentionally obtuse by pretending he hasn't branded his online content with various Soviet iconography.
@@Rensoku611 Fuck off lefty. No one wants you here.
Lohe221 “Nazi iconography bad mkay”
"This is-
Sure-
So this is-
This is-
This is-
Sure-
so this is-"
Snakes were given a bad name in this debate
Don't tread on them
Hold on, I'm super curious as to why you would subject yourself to another 3+ hours of Mike from Angry Dickhead State
I'm curious, and yeah I'm pretty curious, I'm curious, I'm curious, I'm pretty curious, I mean yeah I'm pretty curious, and yeah I'm curious, like I'm super fucking curious, like yeah I'm curious dude.
I watched it on normal speed
supa curious
I want someone to watch this video with a counter for how many times Mike from PA says that the difference between personal racism and structural racism *matters* vs how many times he says it *doesn't matter.*
Right? Just in describing his discussion with mindwaves he said that he was explaining to mindwaves the difference between the two and just moments later he says that in his eyes there is no real difference.
I don't know why destiny didn't hold his feet to the fire for that massive contradiction he makes time and time again.
Mald from PE is probably the most slimy person destiny has ever debated
This guy calls himself an alpha lol
Well, he was almost a lawyer, the libs cant handle hin
TheCoalTrain ehhhhhhhh no.. Nick definitely however
@@SpookyEggs I don't know that's a really hard one. I feel like when Nick is dishonest its more to fuck with people and wind them up, not because hes scared of his opinions being leaked. When Mike from CCP does it its because hes a spineless fucking coward who's only concerns are simping for whatever girl he fucks at the time and virtue signaling to his audience of commie dumbfucks.
Why do you feel the need to be so hyperbolic.
Destiny doxxed *Man with real name and state he's from in user name who has spoken on his professional history publicly* in this debate
Destiny had to resign after a coup in this debate
Destiny's patience with mikes ego and lame attempts at being funny is truly something else
Haven't seen someone this triggered since Peter Coffin.
Now you've gone and made me tired.
I am considerably left of Destiny, but I always watch his streams because he is very genuine and has very good points. And when I saw the first debate with Mike I was excited cause I thought he had found a "rival" from the left with which he could have heated debates. But the more I hear and watch Mike the more I realize how full of shit he is, and how bad he makes the left look
You have to be a troll if you think he's very genuine. He says all the time that he only looks out for himself.
shut up pussy
@@imgayasheck595 do you know what genuine means?
@@hyperbrug9328 lol good one. We have an alpha male here, have you learned from Mike?
@@pedro15305 mike's a dipshit. the fact that it took this video to show u that is fucked. pussy
Mike couldn't hold a position in this debate.
*free form discussion
Slippery mike
It was sad. It was fucking sad.
Destiny wouldn't even admit conservative voters want immigration control.
"Instead of being concerned with the destruction of Western Civilization, just go outside and play!"
Enoch destroying all diversity arguments by simply arguing that Japanese didn't need a domestic black population to incorporate jazz into Cowboy Beebop
Destiny blitzkrieged France through the Ardennes in this debate
Props for the creativeness lol
This guy talks about toxic masculinity and all that all the time but he's super aggressive and acts in a stereotypically toxic male way lol.
It's so cringey too, he acts like what conservatives think lefties think they look like. It's hilariously see-through.
destiny's volume level varied a lot in this debate
Holy shit, like always. I can't just set a single volume level and do other shit because I have to consistently ensure my hand is over the media keys for when the inevitable "WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT" explodes out of my speakers and no doubt confirms the suspicion of anyone nearby that I am indeed insane.
Jesus, Mike is not equipped to go against Destiny.
@Ides94 I don't think you will find any issue or argument this gello-spined caricature honestly believes in.
Youre not talking about the gusano thing, right? Bc destiny claiming its a racial slur is patheetiic and got schooled by the neolib slayer
@@Rensoku611 Subbed to Secular talk and Mike, fuck off commie.
He is not equipped to debate anyone that is above braindead. He got handily destroyed by Vaush as well.
“Destiny doxxed Mike From PA as Mike, from ... PA in this debate.”
-Sir *Lance* -lot the Spineless of the Serfs
Mark from CCP doxxed Mike from PA in this debate
god mike seems like a nightmare to debate without a moderator to force him to not pivot and actually answer the question. He is an actual snake.
At the start of the Lefty arc everyone was talking about how Destiny supposedly got L's and was out of his depth, now people almost pity the same people, like Mald, getting torn to shreds. The fascism argument was also incredibly stupid, he said that fascist countries lost (overly simplistic) when the question was if there are any plus sides to fascism.
Remember when people were asking to talk to Mike from PA because he could articulate the points well before their first debate?
Also wasn't Spain fascist for decades too or is that a meme?
@@brandonden795 No, Franco was a thing till 1975 and his legacy is still alive and kicking.
Also, according to the left at least, """fascists""" have been cucking the left in Latin America since forever.
@@brandonden795 yeah, Portugal also
Mike has incredible footwork and pivoting skills. He should be an NBA player.
I just find it funny that this guy immediately calls something sexist because of a lack of women.
bewildering!
Mike from PA should probably look up the definition of 'slur'.
I can't believe destiny doxed this guy. Nobody knew beforr he was from PA
As a law student, I am fucking BLOWN away that Mike made it through 3 years of law school... He has the brain of a goldfish
He can really lie and not hold a single position on anything pretty well. Would make a decent lawyer but an even better politician
Mfs projecting
@@davinator_peepo2102you’ve gotta be joking
this is actually fucking embarrassing for Mike, if i was him i'd never show my face online again
I love re watching all of the mike from pa debates
Destiny destroyed debate in this Mike
Debate destroyed mike in this destiny
Low energy. Lowwwww
"Free-form-convesation"
There was no debate in Mike to begin with
How can I catch this GAY🌈 NESS LIKe you cool ppl?
I never realized how weird these people on the far left are until Destiny exposed them. I still consider myself left wing but I didn't realize how dishonest and pathetic some of these people are.
American Insurgent fr man shits crazy
I mean guys like Mike are literally the right-wing-vision of the left.
American Insurgent
Those people exist in every movement
CrestOfArtorias mike the duck and allebrele the stereotypical sjw
@@MossFauna yea man it's insane
SPINE
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Ive watched ur profile name and pic on several videos. Its always brings me joy
It's fun to spread joy and hahas around comment sections while they last, cheers
Who's back watching this years later to just have a bit of infuriating content :D
history never forgets Mark, im here watching for NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO reason five years later :D
Mike turned into a conservative in this debate
Mike showed his 215 different positions on the same thing at the same time at this debate
Debate debate destiny this debate destroyed
Debate
ok now this is epic
Mike managed to change the entire conversation from him kinda maybe without explicitly saying MindWaves is sexist to Chinese policy in 30 seconds 1:05:30
"do you know how much you sound like a conservative right now?" Work...of...art!👏👏👏👏
I don't understand how Mike from PA has survived to be his age. He has got to get punched in the face at least once a day if he talks like this normally.
Mike is completely clueless. Public sector in Norway as percentage of GDP is 48%. Less than sweden, denmark, italy, belgium, austria, france, greece, to name a few. It’s certainly not 70%. And wealth ownership is fucking irrelevant to his argument. Most of that wealth is from taxing private oil & gas companies. Additionally, 70% of the population work in the private sector. The term «Social democracy» does not imply we have a «socialist economy». We don’t. In fact, socialism is so notoriously unpopular that even the Socialist Left Party (which polls at like 8%) is for a capitalist mixed economy, even if they’re critical of some aspects of it. Mike should retire.
Destiny didnt understand that you can make someone "resign" with an implicit threat of violence in this debate
Stuff Stuffington Nuance flies over his head consistently.
you forgot to mention that the interm president was approved by the supreme court (you know, those people who had to be approved by morales to be elected)
If you strap magnets to mike and have him debate Destiny...could you use his pivots to generate electricity?
Caught a small amount of this last night thank God I didn't have to wait a week ty editor
@fluoxy L. i was watching the trihex drama on another channel youtube recommended because everything got here a week late, but now it seems up to date just like 1 david pakman conversation missing
Just came after watching Cr1tikal’s video defending the entitled leftist who insults her audience for not donating
You mean BadBunny?
He didn't defend her though?
PenguinDog I’m pretty sure he at least indirectly defender her by trying to brand those who called her out for being greedy incels. All the funnier given his sleazy demeanor.
PenguinDog Insert someone obviously bad into Mike’s quotes and try to see if that passes the litmus test of defending them or not. Would someone saying “People just attack Hitler because he wasn’t nice and he’s an attractive man.” not sound like they’re defensive of why they’re being criticized or is he not being defensive because “he didn’t say” explicitly that he was defending her?
Ben Shapiro of the left absolutely skullfucks Nobullshit of the left with factual statements and superior reasoning in this debate
i wonder if Mike will defend a black person calling another black person an “Uncle Tom”
"oh what am I supposed to wokescold him?"
Haven't seen this s*** in a while God I needed this today
Mike from PA is me making a fucking golem and slipping a note that says “bad faith” into his clay orifice.
which orifice
Lol destiny claims to care about minorities when it suits him. When the Bolivian president calls indigenous people demons and doesnt prosecute instances of them being murdered thats hot racist or anything. He's a hypocrite
this dude is slimier than most people on the far right youve gone up against. you can literally watch him flip flop his positions in real time
It’s indicative of a spineless people pleaser.
It still feels so weird how lefties defend using the word gusano against destiny. I genuinely feel like a lot of lefty streamers would be shouting the n word at black people in call of duty if it weren't for clout and social repercussions.
holy shit this guy buckles the minute anyone calls him out on stuff
He's not Goodfellas material.
Destiny was SO much more charitable to lefties before Mike, Coffin, Maupin et al ruined literally everything.
I truly hate the term 'simp', because I truly believe you can enjoy a female streamer without it being a concession to your manhood. But Jesus, I've never wanted to use the term more here....
Just cosily returning to the Destiny vs Mike from PA playlist to catch all his confident Bernie predictions :)
Mike From PA is Jerry from Rick and Morty if he tried to debate
Couldn't gussano be compared to Uncle Tom? Didn't Destiny used to support the use of Uncle Tom to refer to conservative black people?
I legitimately feel embarrassed for Mike.
Honestly I can understand why debating certain leftists like Destiny did would be horrible. Mike is probably the most spineless but he can't even own or claim a position in a debate. The positions are a secondary problem. Not being able to defend them or running away from them is the main problem.
he cant answer one question XDDDD
D:"this thing is x"
M:"can you prove that?"
D:"yeah so-"
M:*fucking screams and burps*
D:"okay so-"
M:*screams*
D:"so-"
M:"SO YOU CANT PROVE IT??"
D:"Im about to if you-"
M:*burps* "ah sorry chat missed the mute button for the 10th time to force myself to burp to seem like idc"
D:"okay so when this thing-"
M:*screams burps* "you're pivoting"
My god, destiny slam dunked on this guy over and over and over
Crazy how people who never leave their house talk about people who risk their lives for a living.
This was like a smarter version of the Tree Of Logic debate.
When he said 'its ok that gusano is used as they came up with it themselves".. what about the N-word, black people have reclaimed this word and use it themselves.. how is this an argument
Why does destiny still platform this guy?
Destiny does a good job challenging these people and presenting how bad faith they are. If Destiny is able to do that to him this is all worth it
Been following for almost a year .
Seems philosophy people are just as bad as religious people ?
If Asian people did 80% of the murders in the country and the cops said "Maybe we should pay closer attention to Asian people when there's a murder involved," are we suddenly going to ask all cops to quit their job because they're not idiots?
I've never understood how dumb the idea is that if a particular type of person, regardless of race, is responsible for the overwhelming majority of a particular crime. Why the fuck WOULDN'T you have a bias towards suspecting a person of that group is responsible?
If someone said "Hey, some dude with one leg robbed my store and ran!" You're essentially telling cops they have to stop as many two-legged people and interrogate them as one-legged people otherwise they're being prejudice to one-legged people.
How does nobody understand how counter-intuitive this is?
If black people are being "targeted by the system," maybe black people ought to stop breaking the law? Why are we trying to enforce the inverse of this? Oh black people keep breaking the law, let's get rid of the law or change the law so that they are no longer breaking the law.
I was raised poor, I didn't rob any stores. I didn't sell drugs to my neighbors or friends. You just don't fuckin' do it. Problem solved. Now you don't have to go to prison. Enjoy.
I guess the argument would be that "historically" these claims were made to justify bad behaviour towards minorities. Which while true doesn't void that your example could still be true and should be taken seriously.
Your kind is not welcome here and your arguments have been debunked a million times before, decades ago. Even Destiny debunked them.
@@peffiSC2source Link me to Destiny debunking them.
@@gordieallen6422 Nah bruv. Not gonna rake through dozens of hour-long debates. Some are in his Jontron debates, some in the Sargon debates, some in the Fuentes debates. You can watch 'em all. He talks about overproportional policing of black neighbourhoods, racial injustice in sentencing and how disadvantaged communities are more prone to crime not due to some genetic reason, but because people are a product of their environment, which in the case if the US means for many black people shitty housing, shitty education, little perspective in social mobility and proximity to existing crime structures, all the time. There are hallmark studies on these topics as well, by the way. If you make points like your initial comment, you must be aware of them. If not, you are like three decades behind the discussion, so stop wasting everyone's time with your youtube comments and read.
@@peffiSC2source Overproportional policing of black neighborhoods seems to walk hand-in-hand with a logical consequence to whether or not there exists a disproportionate amount of crime in said neighborhoods.
Racial injustice for sentencing could be contextual but if it boils down to "I'm black so I get longer sentences purely because I'm black," sure that's an injustice and I'm on your side.
Do you think that maybe black people selling drugs to other black people or killing other black people in droves might be a direct cause to whether or not that environment exists in the first place?
Do you have zero agency as a human being to determine whether or not it's morally just to pollute your friends and community members with what you know to be wrong doings and to perpetuate those things and to make excuses for yourself but to act as though everyone else is now responsible for what you personally refuse to hold yourself accountable for?
I was poor. I had shitty house. I had a shitty education. You're not describing a black experience, you're describing a poor experience. We had black people in my community, I was wigger throughout most of my school experience because we had a lot in common when I was kid. The ones that paid attention in school, took their education seriously, and aspired to be something better, did. Those who didn't, didn't. How is that a reflection on the system being at fault rather than the individual? I also live in fucking Arkansas. Seems to me that there'd be a lot more racism running rampant around these parts as opposed to... I don't know, California?
I'd be willing to read those studies if you could cite any that SPECIFICALLY address these SPECIFIC things as opposed to something sorta kinda in the same ballpark but don't necessarily draw a direct causal link and are being used to leverage arguments for a more liberal leaning speaker's argument.
Mike loses this debate just for fucking burping into the mic, fucking hell that gives off a bad image.
More pivots than the entire NBA 2019 season.
at 2:30:00 you let him re write history. he b4 claimed he didnt kno to escape ur argument
I didnt realize this the first time I watched this but Mike literally asks him to state a good thing fascism can do and when he answers it its, "oh so you like fascism? Got em!"
Mike comes across as slippery as fck here but goddamn he was somehow better at holding a conversation back here
The pivot boys are back put em in chat!
Calling someone a sexist for a disparity in a particular area is not a fucking critique. The racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, attack is a way to AVOID engaging with arguments.