"You ran away from every SINGLE point" - Destiny Debates Peter Coffin ft. The Serfs

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Комментарии • 1,7 тыс.

  • @tylercsm4690
    @tylercsm4690 2 года назад +275

    This guy sounds like he would make up a girl and pretend to date her for 8 months.

  • @kreyain7455
    @kreyain7455 4 года назад +1556

    Peter Coffin got tired in this debate

    • @nilktots6380
      @nilktots6380 4 года назад +29

      Damn even the "destiny got xed" jokes turned against Peter, dis gonna be good

    • @GreyKnight7777
      @GreyKnight7777 4 года назад +11

      @@nilktots6380 It's positively brutal

    • @nilktots6380
      @nilktots6380 4 года назад +11

      @@GreyKnight7777 It really is I have no idea why he even agreed to do this, I dont think leftist have the same "called out gotta fight or youre a cuck" mentality unless mocking a right wing target so idk why hed embarrass himself

    • @GreyKnight7777
      @GreyKnight7777 4 года назад +2

      @@nilktots6380 McFly's Syndrome

    • @nilktots6380
      @nilktots6380 4 года назад +3

      @@GreyKnight7777 Its just weird to me because i havent seen a leftist lean on bravado since the days of anonymous and SA's heyday, when the establishment didnt basically subsume most of their (arguably) marketable talking points. my impression of current left leaning people outside of sort of Destiny's sphere and people leaning towards being a Sargon

  • @JohnDoe-dg5oo
    @JohnDoe-dg5oo 4 года назад +469

    To sum up most of this discussion:
    - Why didnt you just use Ben Shapiro instead of me in this video?
    - Because Ben Shapiro wouldnt reply back.

    • @jmanakajosh9354
      @jmanakajosh9354 4 года назад +5

      Mmm very very true

    • @anteaterking6728
      @anteaterking6728 4 года назад +42

      Peter is a perfect example of a leftist grifter, he just uses controversy and dumb shit drama to shill out his book and RUclips channel. Absolute weasle.

    • @Jrez
      @Jrez 3 года назад +8

      The real answer isn't "Ben Shapiro wouldn't respond," it's "Destiny just made me look really bad in that last discussion so I'm going to try to poison the well against him as much as possible by associating him with Ben Shapiro talking points."
      That's why he won't defend any of it, because he doesn't believe any of it because it was basically a hit piece pie with some general lefty argumentation whipped cream on top.

    • @zadokzac2100
      @zadokzac2100 2 года назад +1

      Then destiny answers back and he runs away.

  • @MMAGamblingTips
    @MMAGamblingTips 4 года назад +294

    “Today I’m bad faith sleepy Peter.“

    • @kseriousr
      @kseriousr 4 года назад +19

      I understood that reference 😐

  • @M4RRKL33C33
    @M4RRKL33C33 4 года назад +914

    Destiny used big words in this debate.

    • @mudmudmudmudmud7605
      @mudmudmudmudmud7605 4 года назад +14

      Don't you mean BIG WORDS!

    • @Bababaaaa
      @Bababaaaa 4 года назад +17

      IT IS JUST A JOKE DUDE

    • @veespa_
      @veespa_ 4 года назад +25

      YOU’RE PART OF THE AGGREGATE DUDE!

    • @djwigo
      @djwigo 4 года назад +2

      a real big word boy.

    • @berndo3038
      @berndo3038 3 года назад +3

      "Would you say... you could break down the perfunctory manner in which our general malaise... uhhh..."
      Like, does he think you can just say what-the-fuck-ever you want with "big words" and it makes sense?

  • @ElbertBerlijn
    @ElbertBerlijn 4 года назад +1491

    You know it's gonna be good when you can't even get past the 'ground rules'.

    • @ElbertBerlijn
      @ElbertBerlijn 4 года назад +78

      Wow, i can see using a public figure for comedic effect but when confronted on this, you should admit you're misrepresenting the person right? how can you try to just get away with "its just comedy mannnn"

    • @DrummerDucky
      @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +77

      @@ElbertBerlijn Ironically, he's using the same strategy as Alt-Right people : "As long as I don't admit it, then **you** are wrong."

    • @ElbertBerlijn
      @ElbertBerlijn 4 года назад

      @@DrummerDucky Interesting

    • @Pasicho
      @Pasicho 4 года назад +29

      From the jump he’s disingenuous. Oh my bad that word was too big.

    • @mitloppas3559
      @mitloppas3559 4 года назад +5

      Elbert Berlijn Whoa, whoa, whoa. I’ll have you know that it was an aggregate of characters, ok? 😂

  • @bigboy2217
    @bigboy2217 4 года назад +386

    Peter’s entire approach to the “ground rule” was a giant reframing just to gaslight destiny. He just kept repeating the defense as if it was evidence of destiny using big words, when it was literally the opposite.

    • @Coronacht
      @Coronacht 4 года назад +19

      @usucdik facetious is too big of a word I'm going to need you to tone it down a little bit

    • @Nersius
      @Nersius 4 года назад +10

      To be a tad fair, though Peter was a bad faith acting tool the entire time, Destiny has an issue in being overly condescending (though with who he interacts with, can easily see why).
      Granted, setting some ground rules was necessary, but Desuteeny really should have gone about it in a better way.

  • @BrendanBeckett
    @BrendanBeckett 4 года назад +73

    "You use big words a lot"
    "Oh okay just let me know if I'm using big words"
    "Oh so now you're coming in talking about how you use big words and are soooo smart..."

  • @officialasa
    @officialasa 4 года назад +661

    His inability to grasp the first incredibly simple analogy hurts my soul.

    • @burnhitsforlove3317
      @burnhitsforlove3317 4 года назад +7

      There is an issue that the analogy isn't a mirror of the context.

    • @hgoggs2704
      @hgoggs2704 4 года назад +33

      it’s on the level of the no bullshit burger analogy

    • @joeandrew8752
      @joeandrew8752 4 года назад +22

      @@burnhitsforlove3317 it's a harsh analogy, no one would want to be compared to that. But it isn't false. He basically said "im going to treat you a specific way based on actions or my views of some other people, don't take it personal" and then he says, it's comedy so you can't really critize it. He shouldn't ask to be taken seriously and hide behind 'My points were comedy' , it's at best hypocritical (I think that's the right word to use)

    • @burnhitsforlove3317
      @burnhitsforlove3317 4 года назад +1

      @@joeandrew8752 the only issue I had was rather particular in that the situation is that destiny is being read by his supposed political alignment. Which is a choice.
      The analogy was of a black man who is a supposed thief. I don't think that's relative. A better suited relation would been in thievery itself is it's a choice and the question of Morales are much more relative.

    • @joeandrew8752
      @joeandrew8752 4 года назад +7

      @@burnhitsforlove3317 I mean, yeah. It's complicated. Idk if an analogy has tok be 100% accurate to be valid though.

  • @MrSemanticprison
    @MrSemanticprison 4 года назад +1670

    Wow Peter really embarrassed himself here.

    • @stofan
      @stofan 4 года назад +37

      malding

    • @orangecream3340
      @orangecream3340 4 года назад +45

      In this debate

    • @hustler3of4culture3
      @hustler3of4culture3 4 года назад +10

      I'm EMBARRASSED for DESTINY. You have it all wrong

    • @Mary42877
      @Mary42877 4 года назад +12

      @Stephen Weir The Serfs do suck, it's annoying that they got popular.

    • @supergay6479
      @supergay6479 4 года назад +31

      @@Mary42877 People like you cling to the anti-anti-sjw youtubers because they're your only option, even when they happen to be stupid communists.

  • @bradhollmann5316
    @bradhollmann5316 4 года назад +338

    Yikes, Peter comes of super petty. He accused destiny of using big words, then gets mad when destiny tries to accommodate lol. Come on dude

    • @DarkApe117
      @DarkApe117 3 года назад +23

      I think he was too dumb to understand that destiny was trying to accommodate.

    • @shrederman9838
      @shrederman9838 2 года назад

      Oof did you guys not watch the video 😂😂

    • @keys5595
      @keys5595 Год назад +3

      @@shrederman9838 😐

    • @shrederman9838
      @shrederman9838 Год назад

      @@keys5595 🤨

    • @vishg5148
      @vishg5148 Год назад

      @@shrederman9838 shut

  • @Shannxy
    @Shannxy 4 года назад +379

    "You're literally arguing against comedy"
    Dude what?..

    • @TheFortressMaximus
      @TheFortressMaximus 4 года назад +28

      It only counts as comedy if it's funny.

    • @texastoast5773
      @texastoast5773 4 года назад +69

      Plus comedians own their comedy. When an actual comedian makes a joke, they can explain what it means coherently and will stand behind that point.

    • @anteaterking6728
      @anteaterking6728 4 года назад +29

      That's the Crowder defense too. Weird how that works...

    • @rocketrelm1125
      @rocketrelm1125 4 года назад +12

      @@texastoast5773 That's the fundamental thing. It's the same argument that Frenworld uses for blatantly racist shit. "Being a joke" doesn't *absolve* you of the content behind that joke, it just means "I find this depiction funny".

    • @TheFortressMaximus
      @TheFortressMaximus 4 года назад +12

      ALSO, comedians, which let’s get something straight, Peter Coffin in NO WAY is, he’s not an actor, he doesn’t do stand up, he doesn’t write comedy, he doesn’t do ANYTHING that can be considered even REMOTELY comedy, comedians involve THEMSELVES in the joke. Dave Chappelle’s Juicey Smollet bit isn’t a him laying into a guy, it’s a bit about HIS reaction to the story. Peter confuses being a bullying dickhead with “comedy”. He sees himself as somehow distinct from his Alt Right clods but he isn’t.

  • @LuisCubero93
    @LuisCubero93 4 года назад +998

    The guy is a weasel, he is happy making a 40 minute video mischaracterizing someone but when he is forced to confront that person he has little to nothing to defend himself. He uses "comedy" as an excuse to spread misinformation. I'm glad Destiny confronted this guy.

    • @DrummerDucky
      @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +19

      Ironically, one can expect that his type of behavior would still exist under an idealized communist system, with the usual lead-up into systemic paranoia and malicious assaults on perceived adversaries.
      There's no simple panacea, but we can at least start the path towards a better society by working out blatant and pernicious flaws in our character.

    • @zainio
      @zainio 4 года назад +93

      He literally said that the reason he made it a caricature of Destiny and not someone like Ben Shaprio was because Destiny would actually respond.
      Then when Destiny actually responds and gets him in a call, he does this??? What a waste of fucking time. "You're tiring me out" says the guy who released a 40 minute boring ass video.

    • @addleywalker
      @addleywalker 4 года назад +8

      Ironic, Im only 7 minutes in, and so far its just a total mischaracterization _Destiny_ is making and then hunkering down on when he is corrected. Destiny reads an argument in "big words" where Coffin is just trying to ape his style. No, maybe its not funny to everyone, but Destiny is already freaking out that people are backpedaling when they are just explaining their intention. Have yet to watch the rest tho, here we go..

    • @addleywalker
      @addleywalker 4 года назад +4

      To answer Coffin, no there shouldn't be SNL or the Daily Show, because they suck. They suck just for the reason why I personally think Destiny is wrong on this one beginning point, just making fun of someone isnt making a point. It's not good satire, it's lazy

    • @Gecko_Papa
      @Gecko_Papa 4 года назад +4

      I only watched his hitpieces on Jordan Peterson and I think I am still cringing from those

  • @Bababaaaa
    @Bababaaaa 4 года назад +541

    Only a few minutes in and it's already super rough.

    • @DrummerDucky
      @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +58

      I nearly shut it off after 2 minutes; Coffin's vigorous hostility is insufferable.

    • @webranger1
      @webranger1 4 года назад +21

      Yea Destiny went raw on him in this bitch lmao

    • @kipnaplayer5185
      @kipnaplayer5185 4 года назад +17

      You already fucking know this will be a good one. Fuck me this guy, what does he do. He is like jesse Lee peterson level. Fucking hell

    • @mudmudmudmudmud7605
      @mudmudmudmudmud7605 4 года назад +1

      @DrummerDucky
      Exactly.I did and had to skip around.

    • @Dlangguth
      @Dlangguth 4 года назад

      @Sean the original debate was a few weeks ago, should definitely watch that, then the video that was just put up and then this one.

  • @DrummerDucky
    @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +215

    Communism has been rescheduled after the nap in this debate.

  • @luciifero333
    @luciifero333 4 года назад +544

    Makes a misleading 40m video mischaracterizing Destiny
    Gets confronted for it
    Hides behind "it's comedy"
    Gives up some points but says he does so 'cause "i knew you would reach out and give me exposure"
    Straight up gives up
    Says "this is useless i dont want to talk about it"
    What a trainwreck this guy is

    • @rocketrelm1125
      @rocketrelm1125 4 года назад +29

      *What a trainwrecks this guy is
      The pun was right there.

    • @aal0910
      @aal0910 4 года назад +10

      squadW

    • @brendantornabene5723
      @brendantornabene5723 4 года назад +1

      SquadW

    • @ElbertBerlijn
      @ElbertBerlijn 4 года назад +6

      Good summary. I guess Destiny got baited into giving this chump exposure.

    • @andronom557
      @andronom557 4 года назад +3

      dont forget about the final step - continue to snipe Destiny's twitter posts after the fact

  • @bubblegumdukem9758
    @bubblegumdukem9758 4 года назад +534

    DUDE in the first 5 minutes he's twisting what destiny says and is just completely stupid.

    • @MrJeo29
      @MrJeo29 4 года назад +22

      I honestly believe he missunderstood destiny
      Instead of 'you say i use big words to confuse' he understood it as 'i use big words when i debate but you guys claim it is to confuse'
      Im not a native and pretty high so that sentence got pretty weird, do you get what im saying? xD

    • @bubblegumdukem9758
      @bubblegumdukem9758 4 года назад +50

      @@MrJeo29 I think Destiny made it pretty clear and Peter took it personally. Or Peter just forgot what he said and what Destiny was referring to in his video.

    • @skepticmoderate5790
      @skepticmoderate5790 4 года назад +22

      "Twisting what he said." Incredibly generous of you to think that they understood enough to twist it.

    • @Horrorfreak106
      @Horrorfreak106 4 года назад +12

      Literally in the first MINUTE he's already trying to twist Destiny's words lol

    • @OjoRojo40
      @OjoRojo40 4 года назад +2

      True, Destiny is getting almost unbearable cringe. Did he really made this whole "debate" because he got sour at this other dude parody of him??? Wtf

  • @ACircusGamer
    @ACircusGamer 4 года назад +476

    Destiny added password security to his computer in this debate

    • @chad912
      @chad912 4 года назад +16

      quality meme.

    • @Bunnibunnibunni
      @Bunnibunnibunni 4 года назад +3

      holy shit peter was the guy on destiny's computer

  • @southeast6596
    @southeast6596 2 года назад +28

    “You use big words to obfuscate”
    “Okay then stop me when I use big words and I’ll restate it using smaller words”
    “OMG you just said you use big words wow you’re sooo smart ROFL!!!!”

  • @shaadjack2233
    @shaadjack2233 4 года назад +381

    Peter: ...you made a Google Docs dude! You're acting like this is an important thing in your life, it's not!
    ......did Peter forget that he made a 40 minute long video (not taking into account the time it took him to shoot, edit, or write a script) cuz he was buttmad after a debate with Destiny in which he backpedaled on pretty much all of his points?

    • @Vantier
      @Vantier 4 года назад +16

      Holy shit that would have been a great response lol

    • @anthonynonapplicable6045
      @anthonynonapplicable6045 4 года назад +6

      I think Peter's point while not well articulated was more: if you're going to take this seriously then take it seriously. Do the leg work, read some literature and make your own conclusions.
      Destiny has a bad habit of strawmanning left talking points and shifting goal posts. Look at his debate with Burgis. Not everything has to be a debate. Destiny does not have all the answers and the fact that he approaches every conversation as though he has the truth is hindering potential growth.
      If destiny is so confident why doesn't he debate Wolff?

    • @spencechan
      @spencechan 4 года назад +5

      Dammit, now I seriously prefer the term buttmad to butthurt

    • @shaadjack2233
      @shaadjack2233 4 года назад +22

      @@anthonynonapplicable6045 Except when Peter said "You're acting like this is an important thing in your life, it's not!" he was talking about his own video on Destiny, not how serious Destiny is about research or debates. You're being overgenerous to Peter who blatantly employed fallacies, strawmen, non sequiturs, and of course there's the backpedaling. Can't tell if he is dishonest and buttmad or stupid and buttmad.
      As for debating Richard Wolff, Destiny probably isn't confident enough to have a debate. He's probably worried Wolff will make him look as dumb as he made Peter Coffin look.

    • @beyoncehadoneofthebest
      @beyoncehadoneofthebest 4 года назад +2

      Big LUL

  • @DrummerDucky
    @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +540

    Coffin's spite and lack of self-awareness are nearly as painful as his "comedy".

    • @Twigmannn
      @Twigmannn 4 года назад +48

      He was so monumentally asspained that he couldn't perform in his previous debate with Destiny. The video was just sad.

    • @glitch91
      @glitch91 4 года назад +23

      OK WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE IS MAKE HIM TIRED.

    • @DrummerDucky
      @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +19

      Communism has been rescheduled after the nap.

    • @anthonynonapplicable6045
      @anthonynonapplicable6045 4 года назад

      I think you might be projecting there bucko.

    • @L0neSiPh0n
      @L0neSiPh0n 4 года назад +2

      @@anthonynonapplicable6045 Explain.

  • @jona__s8625
    @jona__s8625 4 года назад +146

    Peter Coffin got "emotionally TIRED" in this debate

  • @snakeballs8965
    @snakeballs8965 4 года назад +160

    Funny jokes Peter could have used:
    1. Every time "destiny" comes on screen, it's played back 2x speed.
    2. Ban tankies from the chat
    3. Have girls randomly pop out of closets and shit ala quagmire.
    4. Say borderline socialist stuff "but I'm a capitalist"
    5. Market solutions for everyone as the next point.
    6. Banning tankies in chat.
    7. Relating half of points to epic mushroom dose.
    8. The twitch bits was a funny bit though.

    • @toolbar12423
      @toolbar12423 4 года назад +16

      having a girl come out of his closet and the "but im a capitalist" bit would have made me cry laughing if he was funny enough to implement a joke like that.

    • @hugonamenlos7218
      @hugonamenlos7218 4 года назад +8

      Yeah, destiny has so many good memes and peter uses none of them

  • @harlems
    @harlems 4 года назад +277

    This is literally the left-wing tonkasaw LOL

    • @hgoggs2704
      @hgoggs2704 4 года назад +3

      TheAppSmasher not false

    • @beyoncehadoneofthebest
      @beyoncehadoneofthebest 4 года назад +1

      Who is this

    • @harlems
      @harlems 4 года назад +3

      @@beyoncehadoneofthebest I was referring to Peter coffin I understand it would be more appropriate to say "he is"

    • @JebeckyGranjola
      @JebeckyGranjola 4 года назад +16

      We need to confirm if peter knows what state he lives in.

    • @user-gw8kh1dx4c
      @user-gw8kh1dx4c 4 года назад +2

      in terms of belligerence and obnoxiousness, ya i could see it being on par at times - but I can't accept the comparison because Peter misses the main (and basically only) thing that Tonkasaw is known for: being an internet tough guy. Peter didn't say "I'd kick your ass" "beta male wimp I'd wreck your face" over and over again while bragging about how tough he is/all his "MMA training" like Tonka always did.

  • @manuelantuna2749
    @manuelantuna2749 4 года назад +171

    Coffin should be debating NoBullshit.. he is more on he's league.

    • @TheOneTheyCallFrost
      @TheOneTheyCallFrost 4 года назад +58

      No Bullshit: You're so dumb bro. You're just dumb. You just say these dumb little sentences to sound smart. You're dumb bro.
      Peter: YOU'VE MADE ME TIRED! THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE DONE!

    • @Voeris1
      @Voeris1 3 года назад

      His meritocracy video is ... really good. Imo... At least.

  • @Twigmannn
    @Twigmannn 4 года назад +438

    Peter is such a weasel.

    • @CrestOfArtorias
      @CrestOfArtorias 4 года назад

      The hope of the revolution... .

    • @bleepblop9556
      @bleepblop9556 4 года назад +4

      Sleazy, unprincipled, feckless piece of sh*t.

  • @t1kosuave
    @t1kosuave 4 года назад +109

    "Big words" == Taking things seriously & saying "if I'm confusing, I'll explain it differently".

  • @KNUKLES54X
    @KNUKLES54X 4 года назад +188

    The Left: "it's annoying when the right uses the It's a joke defence to dismiss criticism"
    Peter Coffin: "But Destiny it was just a joke haha"

    • @alex-qd6of
      @alex-qd6of 4 года назад +10

      The horseshoe.

    • @Zombehnation1001
      @Zombehnation1001 4 года назад +8

      @@1997lordofdoom its looking more and more plausable after every debate hehe

    • @ksilva2848
      @ksilva2848 4 года назад +8

      The right uses "its a joke" to dismiss any criticism of the joke or the joker, that was not what happened here, but whatever works for you buddy.

    • @DeepPackChopra
      @DeepPackChopra 4 года назад +2

      @@alex-qd6of it's only a horseshoe if you don't understand that nazis are right-wing socialists, and commies are left-wing socialists.
      Nazis and commies aren't polar opposites, they are very close to one another on the political spectrum.
      People who don't see this can only explain the similarities by appealing to the horseshoe.

    • @at5203
      @at5203 4 года назад +21

      @@ksilva2848 The right uses the "it's a joke" excuse to say shit and not having to actually stand by it. That it's exactly what it's happening here.

  • @Silvannetwork
    @Silvannetwork 4 года назад +185

    I think it's moronic how Coffin expected that his convoluted idea of representing numerous different people solely through the image of Destiny should have been apparent. In his video it blatantly looks like he was trying to strawman or mischaracterize Destiny, so Destiny wasn't wrong in thinking it was an attempt at smearing him.

    • @DrummerDucky
      @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +20

      The way he repeated the same lousy gags over and over again (i.e. The streamer being abhorrently arrogant, the Bits popping on the screen ad nauseam, etc) also hint at Coffin producing this video while under a fit of anger and a damaged ego.

    • @obinga5685
      @obinga5685 4 года назад +3

      BIG WORDS GUYS LUL
      im trolling please dont hate me

    • @TheFortressMaximus
      @TheFortressMaximus 4 года назад +4

      Kevin Gallagher yeah, I was baffled by that comment. Like good entertainers have some concept of what the audience sees, so either he needs to admit he’s a talentless moron and not in any way a comedian, or stop doing this altogether. Coffin is exactly the kind of person he rails against.

    • @AspiringDevil
      @AspiringDevil 7 месяцев назад

      It's really dumb especially considering even back when this dropped I could point to obvious examples.
      The least politically charged example I can think of is Knowing Better when he did a video on para socialism & online creators he parodied & dressed up as a popular person who represented what that segment was discussing. If he had just have stayed dressed as Boogie while doing all the other intro parodies it would have absolutely sounded like he was putting other peoples words in Boogies mouth.

    • @AspiringDevil
      @AspiringDevil 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@obinga5685funnier than anything this "satirist" said here or his hit piece.

  • @nocuh
    @nocuh 4 года назад +108

    _"I'm tired"_ you can say that again

  • @WouldyouliketoSUMO
    @WouldyouliketoSUMO 4 года назад +70

    Holy shit, I didn't think Peter was this disingenuous. Woof, this isn't a good look.

    • @maggiegeeee
      @maggiegeeee 4 года назад +3

      Bark, you can say that again.

    • @markmurray6386
      @markmurray6386 2 года назад

      To mimic one person and then cover a whole range of different people's views and then say well I wasn't trying to paint you with them is so fucking weasel

  • @brettuhl7818
    @brettuhl7818 4 года назад +57

    "It's just comedy" is the same argument people on /pol make for White power meme's

    • @moonie1825
      @moonie1825 4 года назад

      Okay it's kinda hard to compare making fun of serious groups of people that can be empowered through those jokes and peter making fun of destiny. Now don't get me wrong peter came off really stupid here but i don't even think destiny was literally trying to compare the 2 as if they are similar.

    • @anteaterking6728
      @anteaterking6728 4 года назад

      TRUE

    • @brettuhl7818
      @brettuhl7818 4 года назад

      @@moonie1825 okay maybe not the same exactly. But they both seem like a deflection from actual criticism.

    • @LoLchilled09
      @LoLchilled09 2 года назад +1

      @@moonie1825 I’ll bite the bullit here and say they’re very much the same. The seriousness might not, I agree, but “it’s just comedy” is never a good argument when you’re criticizing a group or a person.

  • @krulex877
    @krulex877 4 года назад +300

    This guy is so cringe

    • @UsernameCantGetMuchLongerCanIt
      @UsernameCantGetMuchLongerCanIt 4 года назад +20

      I know right? Why is Peter Coffin debating this idiot?

    • @DrummerDucky
      @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +98

      @@UsernameCantGetMuchLongerCanIt Go back to sleep Peter.

    • @thelionskiln
      @thelionskiln 4 года назад +6

      @@UsernameCantGetMuchLongerCanIt master troll

    • @kalinsimovski5081
      @kalinsimovski5081 4 года назад

      What does your avatar mean?

    • @1Nostrand1
      @1Nostrand1 4 года назад

      @@thelionskiln
      What does the word troll even mean these days?

  • @mirostrom3470
    @mirostrom3470 4 года назад +168

    This is the aggressive destiny ive been missing :D

    • @urbanprecariat
      @urbanprecariat 4 года назад +10

      Big, strong, sexy destiny? Daddy destiny for you???? 😂🤣

    • @969dramstik
      @969dramstik 4 года назад +6

      Nebraska steve

    • @phorkys9064
      @phorkys9064 4 года назад +5

      @@urbanprecariat well basically

    • @Jdsteele96
      @Jdsteele96 4 года назад

      qroshjang oZ Is....is Nebraska Steve a play on Indiana Jones? Cause I’m totally gonna start using that as a play in Indiana Jones 😂 That shit is golden man.

    • @davidc5867
      @davidc5867 4 года назад

      Urban Precariat I'm curious if this is somewhat a hit to Destiny fans

  • @nicknewton3390
    @nicknewton3390 4 года назад +45

    I love that this debate has more views than Coffin’s video

  • @audreyalbritton1435
    @audreyalbritton1435 4 года назад +26

    Tired
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  • @dereknelson6980
    @dereknelson6980 4 года назад +83

    Just got to the point where he said people wont know it's you. He literally hearted a comment saying it was a hit piece on his video.

  • @fredriko.zachrisson9711
    @fredriko.zachrisson9711 4 года назад +136

    That video was so bad
    Peter Coffin is a real wierd guy.

    • @alex-qd6of
      @alex-qd6of 4 года назад +1

      I didn't realize he was doing comedy

    • @chriswarzecha9177
      @chriswarzecha9177 4 года назад +8

      Yeah, through the course of the 2 conversations Peter’s lack of substance as a leftist got exposed.

    • @BlakeZeb
      @BlakeZeb 4 года назад +7

      Ronald Likström for sure. I liked some of his videos here and there. But Jesus both of his discussions with destiny were horrible

    • @feraccount9941
      @feraccount9941 4 года назад +3

      Its almost as if he is emulating crowders comedic style

    • @fredriko.zachrisson9711
      @fredriko.zachrisson9711 4 года назад +8

      @@BlakeZeb yeah i got a whooooole different perspective of him after this stream.
      It really shines through who he is and if this is what he does, one really need to reconsider if his stance on different points are valid even.
      Sorry for my bad english.

  • @BeethovenIsGrumpyCat
    @BeethovenIsGrumpyCat 4 года назад +49

    Stephen Crowder hacked Peter Coffin's account in this debate.

  • @teenagebottlerobert
    @teenagebottlerobert 4 года назад +38

    What was achieved here? Peter needs to step away from this. I love Peter's important Docs series. Destiny has every right to call Peter out for his last stink piece tho it was clearly aimed at Destiny the "it's a joke" and "It's an aggregate" is very weaksauce.

  • @thatmetalhead9000
    @thatmetalhead9000 4 года назад +117

    After Peter left The Serfs was a good listen with destiny

    • @YouShouldAim
      @YouShouldAim 4 года назад +24

      They seemed 100x more willing to actually listen to the substance of points and actually agree to disagree in a meaningful way

    • @anthonynonapplicable6045
      @anthonynonapplicable6045 4 года назад

      @@YouShouldAim Was it the serfs that were willing to listen, or was it density?

    • @kameyoriko8644
      @kameyoriko8644 4 года назад +1

      And then the n-word-Edgy jokes happened and the Serfs lost all credibility.

  • @onseayu
    @onseayu 4 года назад +63

    does it count as comedy if no one thinks it's funny...?

    • @MrJeo29
      @MrJeo29 4 года назад +28

      Thats the question stephen crowder asks himself every day

    • @onseayu
      @onseayu 4 года назад +13

      @@MrJeo29 LOL ok, so i'm actually nowhere near the left side of the spectrum at all, but absolutely completely agree. he is the least funny "comedian" in the history of comedy. literally "the opposite of funny" would be a better description of anything he says.

    • @urbanprecariat
      @urbanprecariat 4 года назад +1

      I thought it was fucking hilarious😂🤣

    • @onseayu
      @onseayu 4 года назад

      @@urbanprecariat lol

  • @dreaminginnoother
    @dreaminginnoother 4 года назад +71

    I listen to lots of these Destiny debates, and I don't get the big words accusation. I have literally never thought Destiny used an abundance of big words. Is the general audience so dumb that they think he is? I feel like he has always been incredibly clear with every point he makes, even when I don't totally agree with him.

    • @zacbrugger3240
      @zacbrugger3240 4 года назад +32

      "incredibly" okay big brain, just say very 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

    • @dreaminginnoother
      @dreaminginnoother 4 года назад +7

      @@zacbrugger3240 lol

    • @Crispman_777
      @Crispman_777 3 года назад +5

      Yeah his vocabulary is pretty standard but there's an awful lot of people with a substandard vocabulary. It's not their fault but it's more common than you'd expect. It's partly because you can get by with a pretty small vocabulary and society tends not to encourage that kind of learning. It does no one any favours as it limits people's capacity to express themselves and encourages elitism and ego stroking in those that have wider vocabularies.

    • @albertjohnston1026
      @albertjohnston1026 3 года назад +5

      @@Crispman_777 Totally agree. There are times where something Destiny is discussing goes over my head, but it's typically not a word issue, but rather a concept or idea that is beyond my current understanding. Otherwise I keep up just fine, even when he's speeding along.

    • @qualivia
      @qualivia 3 года назад +1

      Kinda Agree plus he explains those "Big words" if it every comes out to people in an easy understandable way. I guess people just hate his personality.

  • @sweetviolents29
    @sweetviolents29 3 года назад +16

    Peter Coffin is a B-tier cult leader.
    “I characatured you to HELP you reflect on where you may be going astray~ uwu”
    Give me a break

  • @WalRUs1216
    @WalRUs1216 4 года назад +49

    They spent 20 minutes on arguing big words.

  • @deardeer1469
    @deardeer1469 4 года назад +93

    I like Peter Coffin's content a lot but... god this is already painful and it hasn't even been 5 minutes.
    Their last video was a trainwreck mistake and even if their criticisms of Destiny were correct, it's terrible optics to have a relatively calm debate and then make an angry video response making fun of and strawmanning your opponent afterwards. It's embarrassing.

    • @kalinsimovski5081
      @kalinsimovski5081 4 года назад

      Same

    • @PiPArtemis
      @PiPArtemis 4 года назад +11

      Noncompete did the same shit. It gives me some hesitation dealing with left/breadtube seeing how dishonest they can be when they dont like what someone has to say. At least they don't send you death threats (as far as Im aware) or try to doxx your kids/family like the Alt-Right do

    • @iz2333
      @iz2333 4 года назад +1

      @@PiPArtemis They might be leftists but their shitty personal behavior does not represent the wider range of breadtubers.

    • @pank3245
      @pank3245 Год назад

      Hahaha breadtube.. it's been a while since I heard that name.

  • @bajsmongo2000
    @bajsmongo2000 4 года назад +41

    "emotionally done" lol... whimp.

    • @delrayvelo3277
      @delrayvelo3277 4 года назад +4

      Oscar Nilsson i thought only 13 year old girls said that

    • @bajsmongo2000
      @bajsmongo2000 4 года назад

      @@delrayvelo3277 woosh

    • @delrayvelo3277
      @delrayvelo3277 4 года назад

      Oscar Nilsson woosh? if anything i agree with you

    • @bajsmongo2000
      @bajsmongo2000 4 года назад

      @@delrayvelo3277 sorry.. Thought you ment my statement

  • @greenghost2008
    @greenghost2008 3 года назад +11

    It normally takes longer for things to go sideways. It started sideways

  • @aliisakalma8245
    @aliisakalma8245 4 года назад +97

    Peter c'mon I'm a fan but you're projecting motives in him that he doesn't have with the big words stuff

    • @maximthefox
      @maximthefox 4 года назад +74

      I'm really sorry to hear that you're a fan

    • @moyayaille2609
      @moyayaille2609 4 года назад +19

      @@maximthefox tbh Peter Coffin's content is usually much better than how he appears whenever interacting with Destiny.

    • @donspaggiari9970
      @donspaggiari9970 4 года назад +38

      This was so embarrassing that I unsubscribed from Peter Coffin.

    • @Gecko_Papa
      @Gecko_Papa 4 года назад +10

      @@moyayaille2609 it really isn't though. All his videos on Jordan Peterson are dishonest to the core.

    • @erbyenbe6586
      @erbyenbe6586 4 года назад +18

      Lukas Maier everybody making a video on Jordan Peterson is accused of strawmanning lmao

  • @lvadolape6192
    @lvadolape6192 3 года назад +12

    this debate launched peter coffin on a spiral he hasnt been able to recover from ever since

    • @MaxSnowDude
      @MaxSnowDude 3 года назад

      @@rinneganofrage7206 his twitter too

    • @ese7552
      @ese7552 3 года назад +2

      Actually wild how much this hurt him. Changes my whole view of debates and engagement.

  • @dalinkwent202
    @dalinkwent202 4 года назад +39

    Coffin is like the debate equivalent of CinemaSins if they ever got confronted by the people who actually made a film they trashed on RUclips.

  • @yahoruz
    @yahoruz 4 года назад +66

    destinys channel literally lowered my expectations for every human being i meet now its so bizzare maybe its extreme here on the internet but yea

  • @s3KsH1aS1aN
    @s3KsH1aS1aN 4 года назад +43

    linking to Peter Coffin, suggesting to follow them when it's very hard to do after listening to this. oof

  • @dippyfresh1635
    @dippyfresh1635 4 года назад +24

    Is Peter's whole defense "it's just a joke bro"
    There's no agenda pushing for political points. Just a silly meaningless joke.

    • @DrummerDucky
      @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +13

      It's like texting your crush a lewd remarks then claiming 10 minutes later that your phone was hacked. Foolproof ninja technique.

    • @moyayaille2609
      @moyayaille2609 4 года назад +9

      Not exaclty, what he is claiming is that his parody of Destiny is just a joke, and that the political points are separate. In other words, it is a framing device rather than a hitpiece.
      Which does not mean that it wasn't a stupid idea or a massive strawman. Which it was.

    • @Gecko_Papa
      @Gecko_Papa 4 года назад +1

      Because he knows that he has no substantive knowledge to back up his statements

    • @98danielray
      @98danielray 4 года назад

      @@moyayaille2609 exactly

  • @trashtie4854
    @trashtie4854 3 года назад +12

    theserfstv's chat all of a sudden turns into a bunch of right wing gamer bros.... 'destiny's only point is that he's offended'.... dude i thought these were woke leftists

  • @kalinsimovski5081
    @kalinsimovski5081 4 года назад +43

    I always knew mr Coffin was a bit full of himself, but this is just funny

  • @deta5687
    @deta5687 4 года назад +43

    just comedy bruv

  • @StainAkaguro
    @StainAkaguro 4 года назад +31

    Damn gameranx voiceover dude is cringe huh who knew

    • @shandhi5391
      @shandhi5391 4 года назад +4

      @Elijah Edwards yes it's Falcon

    • @lionslash232
      @lionslash232 4 года назад +7

      @@shandhi5391 Damn, that sucks. I really like his gameranx videos. It's gonna be weird watching them now.

    • @joeandrew8752
      @joeandrew8752 4 года назад +6

      Ahhhhh, why did you have to point this out. Whhhhyyyyyyy.

    • @boogie8586
      @boogie8586 4 года назад

      Daaaaaamn that's so tough

  • @bajsmongo2000
    @bajsmongo2000 3 года назад +10

    The only funny thing about Coffin is that he actually think he is funny.

  • @TheFortressMaximus
    @TheFortressMaximus 4 года назад +10

    Peter Coffin just compared himself to comedy institutions like The Daily Show or SNL.

  • @avalauren4731
    @avalauren4731 2 года назад +14

    I was a fan of Destiny and Coffin when this first debate dropped. I remember thinking at the time Coffin didn’t do THAT badly. Watching this 2 years later I see this with completely different eyes

    • @MatthewBanks100
      @MatthewBanks100 2 года назад +2

      It's important to be able to learn and reflect about where you were years ago. Peter was a bad advocate years ago, and these debates were the first crack in the facade

    • @phillipoliverholtz9226
      @phillipoliverholtz9226 6 месяцев назад

      Ages like milk, try watch it again and you'll need a stomach pump

  • @HatedConman
    @HatedConman 4 года назад +21

    Imagine hearing "I will explain any confusing words I use" and then translating it to "Oh you think you have better words than me?"

  • @Bilbzy
    @Bilbzy 4 года назад +10

    The big words thing at the beginning had to an intentional misunderstanding from Peter. There is no fucking way you could misinterpret something THAT hard.

  • @HimslGames
    @HimslGames 4 года назад +81

    Peter Coffin: you ve made me tired with your standing up to my bullying!

    • @urbanprecariat
      @urbanprecariat 4 года назад +2

      ❄️❄️❄️❄️You feel bullied over satire? ❄️❄️❄️❄️are you gonna cry because Peter used a likeness for a character?❄️❄️❄️

    • @HimslGames
      @HimslGames 4 года назад +5

      lol you dope! the point is the hypocrisy where peter coffin claims that Destiny is emotionally draining whereas he would fucking shit his pants if someone would make such a mean spirited video about him as the one he made.

    • @isakferm7674
      @isakferm7674 4 года назад +2

      Urban Precariat I don’t think you know what satire means friend.

    • @HimslGames
      @HimslGames 4 года назад +3

      @@isakferm7674 well yeah he seems like a coffin sycophant, and now we know that basically means he knows NOTHING.

    • @anthonynonapplicable6045
      @anthonynonapplicable6045 4 года назад +2

      @@HimslGames Whole lot of intellectual honesty coming out of you huh? Keep up your objectivity./s

  • @bjaanderson
    @bjaanderson 4 года назад +19

    9:00 in and I'm tapping out. I tried y'all.

  • @oldmanold7863
    @oldmanold7863 4 года назад +22

    when does he say you've made me tired

  • @MatthewBanks100
    @MatthewBanks100 3 года назад +13

    So....I respected Coffin's ideas before I watched this. Now I'm quite glad his channel is dying and fewer people are like him on the left

  • @tyrannicide3395
    @tyrannicide3395 4 года назад +9

    I'm a leftist, but watching this debate I cringed at how similar Coffin's arguments are to alt righters and cripto-nazists. That was extremely disapointing and an x-ray look inside the deep crisis the left is in right now.

  • @nak6608
    @nak6608 4 года назад +57

    Destiny lands such a good point at 50:26
    "Interesting." Literally same

    • @NathanAllebach
      @NathanAllebach 4 года назад +4

      naK Leon “interesting” *quick topic change*

    • @anthonynonapplicable6045
      @anthonynonapplicable6045 4 года назад +1

      Drawing a false comparison? I'm not trying to defend what he did, but to say his defense of a caricature of destiny is equivalent to what richard Spencer does strikes you as a good point? I'm sure it made sense to destiny at the time, but I fail to see the distinction. Even if I grant right wingers say it's a joke in defense of horrendous views it still isn't an appropriate comparison . Seems disengenuous of destiny to draw such a comparison tbh. Does destiny not understand how satire works?

  • @MrKhin
    @MrKhin 4 года назад +53

    Peter Coffin got put in a coffin in this debate

  • @ililililil8385
    @ililililil8385 2 года назад +6

    every time Peter laughs, those are laughs of pain.

  • @supercool7342
    @supercool7342 4 года назад +12

    Peter coffin posts on twitter like this never happened LOL

  • @davidmeans1
    @davidmeans1 4 года назад +9

    Ah c'mon we're not even two minutes in and this guy is unable to comprehend what's going on.

  • @basedneolib4703
    @basedneolib4703 4 года назад +18

    2016 alt right debating vibes. 😎 Nebraska Steve is back. 😉

  • @ThinkClub
    @ThinkClub 4 года назад +32

    Coffin literally says in the video he used Destiny because he knew Destiny would respond. Coffin is a joke. No integrity at all. "It's just a meme, bro" is Coffin's defence after slandering the competition. You can't make this stuff up.

  • @oephry3253
    @oephry3253 2 года назад +4

    “You’re making google docs!”……..okay let’s see the script for your video then lmao

  • @godtierslayer3046
    @godtierslayer3046 4 года назад +4

    saw 8 seconds, laughed more than for the last 3 months, Destiny keep being you

  • @chancellorpalpatine7486
    @chancellorpalpatine7486 3 года назад +4

    Destiny made Pete tired in the debate

  • @foxhounde
    @foxhounde 3 года назад +5

    Coffin's brain is literally working in slow motion.

  • @Monkey_slapping_keys
    @Monkey_slapping_keys 4 года назад +22

    This is the most aggressive callout in history with a heart from Coffin in his own comments yet he doesn't care? This guy.

  • @bubblegumdukem9758
    @bubblegumdukem9758 4 года назад +35

    Omg he comes in while you're watching his video. Amazing.

    • @SaborSalek
      @SaborSalek 4 года назад +1

      MeowCore *Amazin‘

  • @chandler7493
    @chandler7493 4 года назад +7

    Destiny altered Coffin's circadian rhythm without his consent in this debate.

  • @AgiftfromyoMama
    @AgiftfromyoMama 4 года назад +10

    At first I thought Peter Coffin was a smart guy. After this video though....Yikes, just yikes.

  • @mudmudmudmudmud7605
    @mudmudmudmudmud7605 4 года назад +18

    41:45 Getem Destiny.
    Destiny put the kids to sleep in this debate.

    • @zadokzac2100
      @zadokzac2100 2 года назад

      “Shut the fuck up”
      - Peter Coffin

  • @timquigley986
    @timquigley986 3 года назад +10

    I never loved peter but I used to watch his videos because they were ok. After I watched this video I immediately unsubbed and havent watched him since

  • @LuiError
    @LuiError 4 года назад +12

    "It's just an aggregate bro" 4Head

  • @shawnramos422
    @shawnramos422 4 года назад +23

    This was absolutely fucking cathartic. The end of the discussion with Peter was the best thing I've ever seen on this channel. Destiny put someone in their place and they knew it for once. Cathartic bliss

  • @thecoaltrain666
    @thecoaltrain666 4 года назад +5

    This is a public execution

  • @foop145
    @foop145 4 года назад +25

    I've been trying to watch this video for about 45 minutes now, but I'm only 6:30 in because I have to pause every time Peter opens his mouth. I thought he recognized that he's awful in a debate, and had moved on with his life. I don't agree with him on much, but I've always respected what he has to say because he always gives me something to think about. Now I just feel foolish for ever listening to male, communist Brittany Pettibone.

  • @FullyBaked3D
    @FullyBaked3D 3 года назад +8

    20 minutes in and they're still arguing the ground rules lol

    • @Seaneey
      @Seaneey 3 года назад

      Peter is a dishonest person. Hard to get anything true out of him.

  • @webranger1
    @webranger1 4 года назад +14

    Destiny: *goes point by point showing how and why Coffin mischaracterzed him and why it's messed up*
    coffin: "F*CK OFF NERD ITS JUST A PRANK, BRO!"

  • @davidarchundia3291
    @davidarchundia3291 4 года назад +9

    Well done. Coffin made an absolute fool of himself. That caricature in his video was shameful.

  • @IamGruntonHGH
    @IamGruntonHGH 3 года назад +7

    I didn't realize I liked destiny so much.

  • @jordant7207
    @jordant7207 4 года назад +6

    "Aren't you like, a book author?" - destiny

  • @amagicallaura
    @amagicallaura 3 года назад +11

    idk why american lefties think they have to only accept single-payer healthcare when a multi payer with a public option would be so much better than what they have now.
    to answer peter’s question, in the uk things like dental and vision have a low standard cost on the nhs for each necessary procedure. but if you are on a low-income and can’t afford it, you get dental and vision free...
    i guess it’s wrong that rich ppl can get better healthcare and procedures the nhs won’t cover like anything cosmetic? but the nhs is great. i’m broke as hell and i never have to worry abt my healthcare. i know that ppl will work hard to take care of me. private healthcare existing doesn’t affect that.

  • @TheHorrorDevotee
    @TheHorrorDevotee 3 года назад +4

    He literally just said “I always get accused of x tactic to win debates; if you feel I’m doing that to you, call me out on it”
    And this dude just has a huge issue with that

  • @powerovercorrupt
    @powerovercorrupt 4 года назад +16

    And I was planning on going to sleep this is too juicy to pass up for tomorrow.

    • @matincatrat
      @matincatrat 4 года назад

      I had to go to sleep first... this made me emotionally TIRED

  • @salokin3087
    @salokin3087 4 года назад +5

    PSA: Coffin pretended to be a girl to hurl abuse at some chick online pepega

  • @animetiddyfan7348
    @animetiddyfan7348 4 года назад +9

    Coffin was obviously getting emotional in this video but I wanna counter the point Destiny made about climate change being too multi-faceted to just be handled by a binary democratic approval.
    Unless Destiny thinks people would do absolutely nothing to mitigate climate change or the problem is even more extremely urgent than it already is considering the IPCC report. Democracy is in favour of mitigating it with at least a small carbon tax. Slowing down the negative effects of climate change will at least give people the time to see the negative effects materialize and that will change even more minds about what sacrifices need to be made for the climate and it'll slowly dissolve the propaganda and lobbying of fossil fuel companies which muck up the democratic process. We should be looking to educate, minimize corporate propaganda and power and get rid of obstacles to democracy like gerrymandering rather than blaming democracy.

  • @EveryTimeV2
    @EveryTimeV2 4 года назад +21

    Shithead checklist:
    1. ) It's just performative!
    2. ) *laughs, like others are laughing with me*.
    3. ) Non-sequitur "Big words".
    4. ) Refusal to cooperate to come to any meaningful understanding.
    5. ) Refuses to enter 'serious' dicussion under the delusion that appealing to being non-serious somehow makes you a big brain.
    It's 8:22 at the moment, and I probably missed stuff, like the blatant lying or goal shifting, but that would bring us to at least one shitter a minute, which is quite a lot of shit for the list.

    • @DrummerDucky
      @DrummerDucky 4 года назад +1

      His uncooperativeness and hostility are really jarring. Well, not that much when you know the character (which I didn't before). Sleuthing the guy on Google, it appears Coffin has a history of being incredibly self-centered and loyal only to himself.