Destiny and the new world of internet politics | Steven Bonnell full interview
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Steven Bonnell (a.k.a. @destiny) discusses the world of online political debate.
Watch him debate Slavoj Žižek at iai.tv/video/the-game-of-life...
In this in-depth interview, Steven Bonnell - known to his followers as Destiny - discusses the current state of American politics, polarization and the importance of the internet to online discourse. Join him as he comments on everything from the Biden administration to online extremists.
Steven Bonnell (also known as Destiny) is an internet personality, live streamer and political commentator. He started out as a gaming livestreamer but became more politically engaged in the run up to Trump’s election in 2016. He is now known for debating far-right, white supremacist and antifeminist internet commentators in RUclips videos.
00:00 Introduction
00:16 Why did you shift from streaming games to political commentary?
00:58 Is there a skillset which makes for success in
both gaming and political commentary?
02:19 How did commentators like Hasan Piker and Vaush become famous?
03:00 In what way did Vaush rise up through your community?
03:32 What characteristics make for a successful political twitch streamer?
04:13 Why do you engage with extremists?
05:46 Are people’s political opinions becoming more tribal and caricatured?
06:57 How has short form content changed the political landscape?
07:57 How do you develop your ideas for videos?
08:50 Could Trump win?
09:41 What do you think are the strengths and
weaknesses of the Biden administration?
12:16 On what issues are the left becoming more complacent?
14:34 What is a woman?
17:20 Do you think cultural issues are important to people?
18:57 What do you think of Jordan Peterson’s vision of gender roles?
21:20 Where does Andrew Tate’s support come from?
22:19 What’s the best way to argue with Andrew Tate supporters?
23:43 Of the people you’ve debated, who have you
found the most intellectually impressive?
25:01 Have your debate opponents ever changed your mind?
#destiny #jordanpeterson #andrewtate
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Instead of gamification, he should debate cuckoldry. Destiny is much more accustomed to that topic.
Wow this guy fits right in on this channel full of Epstein associates being interviewed.
Thank you IAI for allowing more women's voices to be heard.
Women of color*
Dwarf women of color*
Forgot Latinx label, ridiculous
LOL that was funny!
You just love your echo chamber, don't you?
You must be very intelligent.
I love this running gag.
Destiny always looks hilarious when he's outside or in public
bro's got that body where he needs to wear a jacket or sweater at all times to look more normal.
being an eternally online, react-andy leach has consequences on one's physiogamy ...
Physiogamy isn’t a word you doorknob...
@@user-jq1ny4qf9q I think he misspelled it
phys·i·og·no·my
/ˌfizēˈä(ɡ)nəmē/
noun
a person's facial features or expression, especially when regarded as indicative of character or ethnic origin.
@@user-jq1ny4qf9q It is now. Two people have used it.
He paved it on his own
I thought Hasan did that…
but unironically
Please don't misgender our blue haired queen
She’s a survivor 😍
He did
" What do you think of the rise of Vasuh and Hasain "
Damn thats like asking Dr . Frankenstein about his monster
😂
Probably the most accurate comparison i've ever read
Hey be nice to Frankenstein's monster. 😡
*Cenk’s nephew
repent to God
Destiny on IAI? One of the most unexpected crossovers ever.
You should arrange a discussion with Kastrup. Destiny is a hardcore physicalist, though he doesn't engage with metaphysics much, and would be an interesting conversation.
This is probably from half a year ago, they did a broad range of stuff when he visited
@@johnstotts2131 I think Kastrup generally has poor arguments, and it would be a waste of Destiny's time.
And the interview questions were absolutely great, it's clear a good bit of research preceeded it.
What a surprise to find you here. Your videos are very good.
Wow they sat on this for a minute. We’ve been out of the blue hair arc for awhile
Took a while to edit this one, huh? Destiny still had blue hair and a wife.
Damn dude, I mean I know that’s true but still.
@@recoil1592it's true thiugh, hes been de blued' for a while now and jt would have been nice to watch it in a relevant timeline.
Last line of the interview. "Nobody's been able to convince me to hate women yet I guess"
Melina: Oh it's comin
Huh?
Destiny commonly judges women by their ability to be men so I wouldn't even call that accurate.
I’m always relieved when someone with a reputation for being extreme actually has a lot of normal positions on a lot of issues. There’s so much common ground we can work with.
I'm curious do you say this as someone who doesn't watch Destiny? I used to not watch him but heard from others that he was an extreme guy in one fashion or another. Until I watched him actually speak for himself.
@@cantor4554 Who are the others you heard talk about him? He's so polarizing that a lot of people purposefully misconstrue his arguments to make him sound extreme to discredit him
@@randomchannelname2251 exactly. Destiny is not extreme and is very reasonable, fact based and logical. People who say he’s extreme are probably misinformed, lying or projecting. Also, he grew up in NE, the Midwest of America. That’s not a liberal part of the country whatsoever. I’d call him a progressive-centrist, if that’s a thing
The irony...
@@maybelive765 or maybe, a rational progressive?
Destiny got destroyed in this debate.
Well meme'd!
This wasn't a debate.
@@hyruleanraven81 ok nerd
@@hyruleanraven81 That one flew over your head, didn't it?
Happy that a strong independent woman such as Destiny has such a profound understanding of modern politics, great interview and very empowering.
Lmao
Boom.
Aaaaaaannnd still not funny
@@edithboozy1000 not even a little bit?
@anti-naturevegan Its like anti funny. It has a negative funny value. It actually extracts happiness from my soull when I read it.
11:58 Dude, I can't believe Orwell would just steal Destiny's quote like that without crediting him. Literally 1984.
Fairly certain Orwell never said that
@@richardtyson100 orwell did say that in "In front of your nose"
its a good read.
Destiny represents a minority, with regard to competitive gamers that are female. Although she can be very outspoken, I'd say she's a positive advocate for so-called 'Gamer Girls'.
Lol
I disagree with Destiny on most things honestly but the dude is willing to talk to ANYBODY, and handles criticism like a fucking pro. Def wanna see him and Vivek debate LMAO
Vivek would destroy him. Destiny is a plant. No gamer, I don't care how smart has the time to be well informed what's going on either politically or just life in general.
Destiny is kind of like Batman, creates a lot of villains
He has a really bad eye for associates. I'd say
@@curiositycloset2359 Theres an element of content as well. He likes interacting with interesting people but they also tend to be unhinged as well
Not necessarily true I disagree with 95 percent of his politics but respect him because he's not a reactionary. Most libertarians respect him. Only conservative pea brains and woke leftists hate him.
noone but destiny has agency never forgettti
@@gonzo2906 if cenks nephew is an interesting person, we're all screwed.
Everyone commenting that this channel is “So disappointing letting Destiny be platformed” have no actual criticism or argument to why hes so “unintelligent”. Even when they cope that he only uses wiki for research when their level of research starts and ends at click bait headlines. Idk why hes expected to be running into libraries, checking out 100s of books and tracking down historians for quotes for eveything thats said lmao whats even wrong with Wiki when it has a strong collection of heavily CITED information. Seems weird
He starts with wiki and then goes to the sources too. He's that autistic lol. Watch his debate with cenk on Israel Palestine he's pretty good knowledge of the history despite the 'wiki' research.
Found the no life Destiny fangirl
@@AfTyson7 found the no life destiny anti-fan
Agree with everything but Wiki defense. ShortFatOtaku and other people showed how wiki is terrible for political topics because it's super biased towards SocDem/Prog views.
E.x ShortFatOtaku video about cultural m-ism word. You know the one. Wikipedia used to HONESTLY explain what it means, but now it pretends it's "jUsT a ConSpiRaCy DuDe!1!1!". The video is called Antonio Gramsci and Socialist intellectual sphere. He shows how wiki censors facts for it's biased narrative. There are other videos critiquing wiki because it provides biased sources when it's politics
Also I don't think it's fair to imply Destiny just uses Wikipedia, he does do research, even if it's "not deep" it's still a research.
bruh this better be joke, how can you literally defend only doing Wikipedia research considering it's bias and malicious editors. saying this in any college class room would literally get you laughed at
Interesting seeing Destiny featured by iai. Even though I disagree on a lot he believes, anyone as prominent to the left or right of him would miss too many points and nuance in describing online politics. Anybody in the debate-community (like Ask Yourself, or Jack Angstreich) would be too niche, and so would anybody that's post-modern for that matter.
He’s unironically most capable of explaining the state of online politics. And he’s definitely more intellectual than some of the “intellectuals” he has debated.
Yes, the Ben Shapiro of the online gaming world.
@@curiositycloset2359 Except Ben Shapiro is an unhinged Partisan hack for conservatism, a zionist who is unwilling to concede some legitimate criticism of Israel (though he's still mostly on the right side there, but not for any good reasons he can spell out on his own.) Also promotes Religion, yuck.
@@curiositycloset2359
It's just because both talk fast?
Serious aside from fast talking i dont see much similarity in the way they debate.
@@lain5858 the both utilize debate fundamentals at a proficient level and similar speech cadences
@@h2o820 exactly. They are quite similar. And both equally irksome.
One thing i love and admire with Destiny he is open to talk with everyone.
I am a little more right leaning and absolutely love Destiny’s content and takes. He’s a straight shooter.
she*
Do you love and admire his serial abuse?
Yes that's the best bit
He is even open to allow his "wife" to have onlyfans and have s*x with anyone.
Great conversation, really enjoyed this interview. Thanks for these videos, keep it up!
Favorite quote from this "I bark, you come(sp?)"
We’re suffering from terminal brainrot
He's heard that line before
bro destiny needs a stylist
I swear he purposely makes himself look as sloppy as possible when he goes out. Never seen his hair look like that on stream.
Also, whoever did the video editing did him NO favors with the white balancing.
that hair had become a time stamp in destiny history.
A wonderful reminder, thanks for the replay, Many can forget the previous year, thus not learning. So many "issues" are never seen or discussed in actual social context, rather ideologically. Many Thanks.
"Everyone suffers from a bit of reta- recentism..." Good save shorty.
Please put a date of the original event in the video description!
Probably about 4-3 months ago given the hairs blue to black ratio
I really liked this format of somewhat rapid fire questions. It nice to watch him give concise answers on topics that require a lot of nuances to be discussed fully.
Having the ability to break it down to 2-3-minute replies is a skill everyone should strive for and shows a lot of knowledge and understanding on the issue at hand.
Great Interview!
Wow this Destiny guy is pretty smart and provides some interesting responses that I don’t hear much. I think I’m going to check out more of his content
Why pretend you're unfamiliar? Weirdchamp
@@solarblitz4524 It’s called role play man stop blowing my cover
guy? she's clearly a beautiful black woman
Ok destiny. Nice try
😂 I look forward to you joining the new season. Last season we had a surprise ejected member. It was quite the plot twist!
i dont agree with destiny on everything but i think hes 10x smarter than almost everyone on this channel and on the internet
He isn't very bright
Your frame of reference about intelligence is constrained by what you are capable of.
@@agamemnonofmycenae5258 same to you obviously
Same I love this woman
Its not being 'smart' that sets destiny apart from other political commentators. I could go to into a research lab at any R1 or R2 and find tons of people with genius intellect. If all that mattered was intelligence, we'd just have to consult people like Dr. Sharpless for all political disagreements.
Just because you are 'smart' or have a high IQ, that doesn't mean you have critical thinking. What Destiny does so well is being genuinely curious about why people believe what they do and seeing if these justifications valid.
This is difficult for most people as we tend to let our emotions guide our beliefs. Admitting that you are ignorant or wrong goes against our nature as humans and it takes guts. This problem is amplified by the internet where we can feel absolutely validated about our own beliefs and blocked out ones that disagree, making people even less likely to question their beliefs.
This process of critical thinking isn't some radical or new idea, which is why Destiny doesn't need to be a genius advocate for it. He's just the funniest and most entertaining critical thinking advocate I've encountered on the internet, and thats why we love him so much.
we need more fascist women like steven. all the power to her.
Don't hurt yourself using your last 2 brain cells
@@frofroify thanks for your concern woman, better kept for your husband.
I'm not sure if youre half meming or full.m.
@@dominicdunn2579 does it matter? we're all going to die. do out opinions, beliefs and cultures hold any meaning if they cannot stand the test of time as everything we have fades into oblivion?
@@heado_reler7653 Your RUclips comment will fade into oblivion before any culture does but you seem to think that it matters enough to type it out
Love hearing the bird songs in the background, great interview!
Had to check to see if this video was playing @ .75 speed.
I'm not sure I've ever heard Destiny speak at normal people speed.
Its probably the lack of vyvanse
@@isaacbunsen5833lol hes actually way more chill when hes on his meds, that's kind of the point
Arrange a debate with Destiny and Douglas Murray, please.
9.5/10 interview
Really enjoyed this
the only thing that needs a tweak here is the audio/mic quality. otherwise, great content!
Good interview. The interviewer was prepared and the question where great.
I just wish the interview was longer.
I actually really enjoyed this interview tbh
Great interview.
12:27 This needs to be said louder for those in back who can't hear over their terrible persecution😭
The most interesting thing about this guy is that he has blue hair.
Said by someone that didn't watch and obsessively stalks his online presence to cry about how uninteresting he is. You're captivated.
@@DogshitArgument “Didn’t watch” and “obsessively stalks”? Wow, I’m impressed with myself.
@@matthewa.4095 Nice non-response, sounds like you don't have any disagreement with what I said.
@@DogshitArgument wtf are you even talking about bro? You’re white-knighting for a weirdo on RUclips? Ok pal. Happy New Year!! ✌️
@@DogshitArgument If you’re gonna stan for someone, please try to do it in a way that doesn’t invoke secondhand embarrassment. You’re doing a disservice to Destiny’s image by association.
I used to hate him. I was wrong. I really respect his opinions now. Even when I disagree
What changed your mind and made you start believing genocide is a good thing?
@@QuantumPolyhedron pretty sure it's a little more complicated than that.
@@KiLLA1740 Sorry, "good thing" is a big vague, but that's only because I was expecting you to expound upon your general endorsement of genocide in the reply.
@QuantumPolyhedron I didn't mention a stance on any of his takes. Just that I respect his opinions now. Which genocide are you referring to?
@@KiLLA1740 He has been featured on Israeli state media for openly endorsing Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. He has openly said and I quote directly (not my interpretation of anything he said but a verbatim quote): _"I'm pro-genocide."_
Loved the interview, Keep up the good work destiny!!!
Isn't this the guy who said that he didn't have any sympathy for the firefighter who was shot at the Trump rally?
This was really cool!
Destiny doing crossovers, slowly building his highly-engaged subscriber base.
Haters praying for his downfall is so fun to read 😂🤣 please keep commenting, it only makes him more visable to more audiences.
Yes, always a sign of quality when you appeal to a large mass.
@@curiositycloset2359Seethe
@@curiositycloset2359 he is not appealing to the “large mass”. He is just open to talking with more people about more topics than the majority of streamers and content creators online that it is just easier for more people to be interested in watching his content. It happened last year when he was doing redpill content and going on their platforms to discuss the issues they focus on and more people just started to notice him and subscribe. And his opinions are not shaped by his viewers unless it’s a viewer or streamer actually discussing it live with him or writing a detailed email or post on his subreddit. That’s why his subscriber base is highly-engaged like the original commenter mentioned.
@@myym79 some of my best friends are trannies. We do not accept it's in anyway normal. And we will help where we can.
@@myym79 what do you mean subriber based? You're mad. Insane. We exist outside of your nonsense.
I honestly have never seen any of this. Read books.
I disagree with Destiny on many issues, but I respect his willingness to engage and enjoy listening to him in debates.
Love this
The problem is if you engage with extremists, the algorithm will feed you more extremism
Destiny and Pearl need to do a hair salon stream together :3
Also needs gym streams....the sciatica is going to show up soon. Its amazing he doesn't have a slip disk already.
I'm dreaming of a Destiny vs Ben Shapiro open debate.
Same
It’s already set up.
@@JudasMaccabeus1 When will it be?
@@rexx9496 I’m not sure on exact date. I only recall destiny saying “I’ve got a debate with Shapiro coming up soon” or something to that effect.
@@rexx9496 like the other guy said an exact date has not been told to the public yet at least as far as I’m aware, but it is set up and they will be debating Biden versus trump. Mostly that will be the topic.
How old was this?
why is the audio quality so horribly metallic robotic though; like all the gain cranked up all the way?
Destiny helped me move from alt right to more moderate. I thank him for that.
I think it’s a good impact he’s had on many folks. He’s good at challenging some knee-jerk ideas and helping folks to challenge rhetoric with research. One example for me was the Rittenhouse issue. Even if your watching other creators, I think Destiny is helpful to temper the extremes and challenge assumptions.
But has he gotten any far left people to become more moderate?
@@rosssivertson6339 far left people are the same as far right they most likely wont change
What do you mean by alt right?
@@rosssivertson6339 yes
His debate against Polygamy was probably my favorite
It's wild to see such lovely video quality juxtaposed by the absolutely awful audio quality. A shame.
I find his message around 23:30 really sad. 'You "can" be a left leaning person, and be aware of all these social issues that affect us without being f****ing miserable all the time and feeling like you're you know an evil person.' This implies to me that misery and a type of self loathing is a default feeling people who go left feel. That temporarily breaking free of the misery and feeling like you're the good guy is uncommon. For anyone reading this who feels like this is true and are left leaning what are your thoughts? Are you miserable or see yourself as evil because of your political stance, and why do you think that is? If you are right leaning or otherwise unaffiliated I won't mind hearing your opinion either.
When I saw Destiny say "Nobody's convinced me to hate women yet.", I wondered how recent this video is.
I love seeing destiny on all these different podcasts! DEE GOAT ! 🐐
Nice interview, subbed for more
A green and sunny background with Destiny in the front is a new thing
I engage with extremists as well, pretty much daily, if you go into it knowing you aren't going to change their mind and just try to have a discussion it usually still goes poorly but sometimes you actually get through to someone. Also i know this is going to ruffle some feathers but the right wing is often times far more extremist than the left. Take from that what you will. I don't agree with Destiny on quite a few topics but I recognize his work, I enjoy his debates because he's very good at it and I think in general he's a net positive for the left.
Lmfao “”the left””
@ultravioletiris6241 yeah the left, he makes leftist ideas more palatable to everyday normal people. Like I said, I don't agree with him on a lot.
I'm gonna partially disagree I've seen plenty of pro violence lenanists and anarcho communists I've seen and crazy pro male castration radfems etc. However the right wing is mostly constructed of all the people apposed to the left so it's a patchwork movement. A libertarian and radical Monarchist have little in common yet both are often considered right wing. So when looking at online rightwing spaces it will appear like their are more overall right wing radicals when in truth their is just more diversity and variation within rightwing radical beliefs.
@@wingsoffreedom3589 Yea the fact that libertarians and monarchists both are considered rightwing is a testament to how poor this colloquial terminology is at describing real people.
@@ultravioletiris6241 indeed the left right axis is flawed it's defined by the left and the right is everyone else which is sill. Look up the political trichotomy it has an up axis of liberty left axis equality right axis for tradition. With the various ideologies makes on rather nicely.
Learned absolutely nothing about him. Low-stakes, generic questions.
His beard looks so good.
Wow they got him doing that dumb hand thing in the thumbnail😮
This guy is a blatant liar, beware and fact check.
I always enjoy seeing the malding and seething coming from right wingers in the comments because Destiny is respected enough to be invited to events and platforms where their favorite intellectuals also appear in.
Nah I think that's cool, he's probably one of the only good faith SocDems, I think Lonerbox is decent too but didn't see much of his content to be sure. Also Destiny orbiters themselves are decent albeit boring, exception being NotSoErudite who's good at debates/discussions AND she's interesting
Well i am conservative and i like Destiny because i know he argues in good faith.
im conservative and i watch destiny the most out of any political commentators. i think most of the malding is the radical progressives
@ghostbirdlary I think the malding is from radicals on both sides. It's the people who are more ideologically oriented than factually interested that seem to seeth the most at him, cause they can't take their world views being dismantled by an actually smart, well spoken person
@@danielsurvivor1372 he is atleast a true believer. Probably the only one.
I would actually argue that abortion isn't just limited to being a social issue, because there is a real, tangible, financial cost to giving birth to, and raising a child. Most of us don't want to raise a child unless we feel like we're financially stable enough to do so, because we understand that our fiscal ability to take care of a child is probably going to impact that child in one way or another.
First few seconds feel like destiny interviewing destiny especially as the interviewer isn't shown
THAT'S MY BOY
Good questions. Great interview.
The difference between Vaush and Hamasabi and Destiny is that they are actually brain rotten and actively ignore or try to misrepresent facts to suit their preestablished POV without ever trying to expand or adjust their opinion based on evidence, while Destiny does tons of research (live on his stream) to make sure he has the facts right before formulating his final opinion, actively seeks out people who disagree with him so he can test his ideas against theirs, and he even does the "unthinkable" - change his opinion based on evidence.
They are conclooders
damn, 21 hours ago and hes still rocking the blue soy hair, this video must've been made a while ago. Super interesting tho!
so plump!
What’s your icon pic?
I know why people hate this guy but honestly I think we're lucky to have people like him in the world and it's gonna become increasingly apparent why over the course of the next couple decades
Care to share why?
I've been through a lot of rough moments in my life. But I will always be forever grateful to the mighty Allah for blessing me this hilarious comments section.
The simple things that make Steven have better opinions than megastars like Peterson is avoiding audience capture and needing to come to his own conclusions instead of copying his environment. He's pretty smart, a good debater etc, but those two seemingly simple things lead him on to better paths than 95% of people who make a living by talking about ideas.
facts
Hasan didn’t start in the gaming space, he started on the Young Turks and started streaming on Twitch afterwards.
i wonder if Destiny's opinion on polymerous relationshop's has changed in recent time
He barked, I came.
Good video! Destiny is the only content creator on the Left who doesn't go too far Left. He really keeps it centered on a lot of point where the left goes crazy.
Ya the Rittenhouse issue a while back and now the Israel Palestine thing in the modern day have both opened my eyes to just how brain dead a lot of the left can be as someone who also identifies as part of the left. I honestly treat those situations, especially the Rittenhouse one as a litmus test for people on the left for us, their good faith or not.
Lool no he is not. Let me guess u are not on the left.
There are many more
@@hunterzolomon1303I'm on the left and I agree
@@A_3000 then your knowedge of the left is extremely shallow 🤣🤣🤣
Destiny gives Joe Biden an A for his job approval as President. Are we sure he's not the extremist??
Chips act
Inflation reduction
Build back better
Heros act
Seethe
@@dickjohnson8983 largest increase of national debt within one presidential term, botched Afghanistan Withdrawal, Failure to prevent Russia's invasion of Ukraine, largest withdrawal of oil strategic reserves, Unconditional support of ethnic cleansing efforts by Israel in Gaza, cope and seethe
"So how do you think someone like Hasan Piker became famous?"
Destiny:
When he still had blue hair.. this is from a while ago
My favorite part was when Destiny called women a minority
I could never imagined I would be in the timeline where Destiny got fat and Vaush got in shape.
Lol
Why did they spend the first few minutes talking about Vaush and Hasan???
tf is that fence, lmao.
Thank god it's not the institute of marriage and long lasting relationships. That would've been awkward.
seems its awkard with everyone giving the stats
The irony is that most of the people Destiny Associates with are extremists LOL
To simplify the answer to the first question.
People who were already known with a platform and plenty of disposable time and knowledge of how to leverage the internet to make a profit.
amazin
I would watch this video but Destiny is a girl's name so I'm gonna skip
Big recession didnt happen? Huge inflation didn't happen?? What world is he living in?
Go look a the actual stats dude. Did you actually look at it? I can assure you if it did happen, no one would be this confident and nonchalant about it
where did he say inflation didn't happen.
"I said the same thing, he copied me"
Here come all the coping "i like this guy eVeN thOUgh i doNT agREE On eveRYthING He saYS" people that havent been able to fully convert to destism yet.
She looks amazing!
Thanks for having Destiny on.
Amazing people actually listen to this guy.
Destiny is bringing logic back to the left. Props
"why i engage with extremists"
is this why you engaged and married Melina?
she's a relationship-extremist LOL