Maybe you should consider a review on the POOR electronics all the CDJR vehicles are plagued with. When the radio starts to delaminate all the electronics in the Jeep fail. Not just the radio, heat, air everything goes OUT! Jeep knowes this and has for years. They offer no assistance to the consumer once this happens. It'll cost you up to $1800.00 to repair with no guarantee it won't happen again. STAY AWAY from Jeeps!
Thanks man for the update on an issue that has been plaguing me with my 2019 rubicon unlimited. So far only all of my hinges were affected. Dealership quickly and quietly painted all 4 doors. Sadly it’s never quite the same as the factory in regards to QC. GOOD TO KNOW THAT ITS NOT JUST A CANADIAN ISSUE. We all bought these jeeps knowing that a June bug would destroy the windshield, and that we were going to pay an arm and a leg to drive this amazing looking vehicle to every gas station but I don’t think anyone thought that we would be dealing with corrosion/oxidation/paint bubbling and flaking after 1 and a half years in my case
Wow you scared me mister! Only 1.5 years? Just got my jeep 3 weeks ago. So far I've been reading a lot about how to take care of it. Specially getting ready for QC winters. Did you applied a protective product or something?
My wife and I are in the same boat with her 2019 Jl every hinge and the front of the hood have bubbling it's insane to pay $42k dollars for this too happen in only 3yrs of ownership.
I paid $67,000 right jeep JL wrangler unlimited Rubicon and my jeep was housed in my garage and only had 5400 original miles on it to this day. It took me a year and a half of fighting with Jeep corporate until they finally relented and agreed to fix my jeep. Then I had to go to 11 different jeep dealerships before I could find one that agreed to fix the problem since all the other jeep dealerships were all pain are their own pockets for each Jeep repair that they made even though it was Fiat Chrysler who fucked up an allowed the vehicles to be released and sold the customers anyway. Fiat Chrysler is most definitely negligent on this and every other recall that I’ve underwent since I’ve owned my jeep. I’ve done Chrysler‘s advertising for the last 35 years and I refused to buy a Chrysler up until I purchased my jeep because of the shitty quality. When I saw my jeep I fell in love with it and bought it off the lot only to be told by the dealership that they could’ve sold it 10 times over since I purchased it to other customers. Chrysler is famous for punting They’re problematic vehicles down the road the only way to hold Chrysler responsible is to get in their face and call corporate every single day until They agree to correct and mediate the problem that they created in the first place. If you are Chrysler I would simply pay for high-end materials in the first place instead of constantly cutting corners they wouldn’t constantly be in this position. It’s exactly why Daimler decided to pull out of the deal with Chrysler from the very beginning. Mercedes is known for their quality and they did everything they could to bring up Chryslers quality however Chrysler‘s management and ownership are absolute assholes they continue to do things the old ways which is they only care about profit over people. It’s a shame that they’ve scammed so many people are their money. This is the last jeep I’ll ever own I’d much rather buy a Ford bronco, a G wagon, A hummer or any other 4 x 4 other than a vehicle made by Fiat Chrysler ever again
Wow. You clearly feel strongly about your buying experience. I can’t say I blame you after spending such money on a “new” vehicle only to be saddled down with problems.
@@imghost6296 Lesson learned. I will never buy any Jeep after '06. They are absolute garbage. Jeep Born: 1941 Died: 2006 It was a good run, but it's over. At least we have CJ's, YJ's and TJ's that we can restore and maintain that will last.
I had worked as a body tech and a painter at a Jeep Dealer in Maryland for years. The only way we allowed to repair this issue was with brand new body panels. If the panels are repaired and not repaired they have wind up with a high repair failure rate. We did a couple Jeep Wranglers, GC’s a month. The parts supply issues during the pandemic did slow our pace a bit since we couldn’t get new doors for awhile. If a place is only repairing the panels find another place!!!
Hey Jason, That’s valuable information. FCA however will not fix it now due to my high kilometres in the Jeep. If I was in the US, their warranty is unlimited miles, so I’d be able to push for warranty work and maybe new panels.
Jason, is there a requirement to replace or is it left to the discretion of the facility? I'm looking at buying an 18 Rubicon in the next few weeks (it's trade coming to my favorite dealer) and want to know how to address this with the GM there. He's a stand up guy and I want to work out an understanding about the path forward if/when I have issues with it, should I decide to buy it. Thanks in advance!
@@brianfiore9024 My hinges got replaced on the second reoccurring corrosion incident, and so far they have not corroded again. The doors were simply repaired, upon the second reoccurring of corrosion, and now corrosion on my doors has reappeared for the third time. This would lead me to believe that the only solution would be to replace to corrupted parts, with clean ones. I have heard where a dealership replaced the persons doors. I hope this is helpful.
@@CheaperJeeperTV I think you have cause to state that the issue was never properly fixed and they are still liable for the repair. You raised issue while the vehicle was under warranty and it was not correctly fixed.
I had my 2018 JLUR repaired under warranty. Jeep replaced both front doors and the rear driver door, and had a body shop repair my hood, and tailgate. I was initially very happy with the resolution…UNTIL I found that the door panes they used as replacements DO NOT have any welded seams! Most importantly around the channel that retains the weather stripping. So even though there is weather stripping there the channel that it sits in is not sealed against the door panel. There is anywhere up to 1/8” gap all the way around the bottom of the door. I didn’t notice this until driving down the interstate and wondering where the wind noise was coming from. That and the fact that there is a lot of air leaking into the car. Of course it was going into the winter when I discovered the air leak. I took it back to Jeep, they documented it and was presenting that information to Jeep for resolution. I didn’t get a response until late spring. So I had to use gaffers tape to seal the gaps to keep out the winter air and kill the wind noise for the winter! Jeep’s response was that “there was nothing wrong with the door panels…that’s how they make them now”. WHAT?! So I asked them how in the world will that keep water out of my vehicle is I were to ford a water crossing that came up over the bottom door sill? Crickets. Then I was later told that they will no longer work on the issue as they have completed the repair and there is nothing wrong with my doors. Where’s the middle-finger emoji?! Cause that’s what they gave me.
Thank you for the info. You have helped me decide to get the 4Runner instead. Had a 2000 Toyota Tacoma years ago. Rust/frame issue. The Tacoma was 10 years old, 115k miles on it. Toyota bought the truck back from me at 150% street value with an apology from Toyota. Shame that Jeep lost me today as a customer. C'mon Jeep, repeat customers is where the $ is!!!
Hey Edward, I frequently compare in my mind how Toyota handled that situation in comparison to how FCA addresses issues now. I made this video because I wished someone shared this with me when I made my purchasing decision. Cheers.
@@CheaperJeeperTV Funny thing...I own a 1976 Jeep CJ7 in near mint condition. Still have the original keys and the Jeep still has the American Motors emblem on the back. They truly don't make them like they used to.
Ahh you missed out on a lot of fun taking the top down; we have a 4Runner too and while very reliable it is also very boring; we keep it around paid off for an extra car but I don’t grab it on purpose
@@gtamantube it ain't fun if it don't work.... Modern wranglers are trash....... Last Real and reliable wranglers we're the TJ generation, and you can make a strong argument as the best one of all time..........modern Wranglers are middle American Mercedes Benz...... All Bling bling no go go..........
I traded a 2019 JL with a few problem spots. The dealership didn't care. I guess they know they can sell it to somebody who is unaware of the corrosion issue. So far my 2021 shows no signs but I know, it's only a matter of time. I'll get rid of it then. I bet this video opened up a few eyes!
Hey Randy, Create thought of it, I would have appreciated it if someone had shared this information with me when I was looking for a vehicle. I hope the video is helpful for somebody. Cheers
We have two JL's (2018/19)in the family, no corrosion but both had the rear mail seal fail plus a $1200 coolant leak that costs over $3000 within 5 weeks. Not my first jeep but my last. These cars are a POS with many unnecessary electrical and quality issues.
Geez, I had rear main seal leak, phaser failure (had to get er towed on that one), locker wiring, clutch (on going, we all know the clutch system is whacked even if it passes the 'recall'), and now potential camshaft / lifter issues, unless it is carbon buildup. All under 75k kilometers... 2018 JL. At least my hinges seem fine...lol. Is she fun? Yes, but so is a used, older one, with a developed aftermarket and parts at your local scrapyard... Still only mopar / centerforce clutches available after what will be close to 5yr on the market....
Yep! I wished someone informed me about this issue too. I also would have chosen differently!!! That’s why I made this video, to get this info out there. Feel free to share.
Thank you Dino! You helped me dodge the Jeep JL paint bubbling debacle. Your videos and articles helped me select the right Jeep Wrangler unlimited for me. Which ended up being a 2016 Jeep Wrangler unlimited 75th anniversary model in black, with only 57,000 KMs. I take delivery on the 25th of August 2022!
I understand your sentiment, mind you there are many other things about the jeep Wrangler that are awesome. I covered them in this link… ruclips.net/video/PSFNlsY5A4U/видео.htmlsi=nnh9kiVPN63oeIZI
well I am an engineer and I will tell you this is from improper panel prep. it is also on almost every aluminum bodied vehicle for decades. some of this is also due to improper grounding of the panel. I have a new JT and will keep an eye out but my Mustang hood and Audi deck had the same issue. this is not a jeep thing but a automotive product defect
Just found some corrosion on the hinges on the tailgate. Not sure what I an going to do yet but still love my JL and would do it all over again regardless.
Hey Anton, I certainly can understand how you like your Jeep so much. Corrosion flaws in such an expensive and new vehicle, like on many JLs, and JTs is simply inexcusable. Especially in this day and age when the knowledge and practice is out there to do a better job.
@@CheaperJeeperTV I hear you. I've been fighting with a subtle ticking sound and after a turbo (and wastegate) replacement last year, tick is back and there is a timing chain waiting for me... thanks for all of your work into these videos!
I'm a certificated airframe and powerplant mechanic and deal with corrosion in aluminum structure on a near daily basis. Corrosion on aluminum structure is worse than corrosion on steel given how fast it can literally turn structure into dirt. I don't know what alloy jeep uses but in aviation the .out common alloys use copper for its high strength and conductivity. We will typically use a chemical conversion coating such as alodine (bond rite now) on top of primer and then paint to reduce chances of corrosion.
Great to see a certified A&P tech chime in on this. Flying C-130s into Antarctica showed me the aviation industry has this problem well in hand. Would that FCA gather some A&P technicians into the fold to correct this once and for all...
My 2019 HellaYella JLU Sport has fallen victim on 3 of the 4 doors. I’m interested to find out how I can join the Class Action Lawsuit. I did take it back to the dealership and they approved it for “repair” not replacement. The quickest they could get me in was 3 weeks out and they promised me a loaner vehicle. Fast forward to day of drop off and guess what? “We never promised you a loaner, we don’t have any”. The Jeep is my only source of transportation to and from work. I left highly disgusted and angry. Needless to say the corrosion is still there and I’m at a loss of what to do next. On a side note I bought a 2005 Ford Expedition new and it did the exact same thing on the aluminum lift gate. Except 3 and 4 inch sections of paint popped completely off. Ford flat out refused to do anything about it.
Hey Bill, Sorry to hear about the bad experience. It's good for people to know about this. If you look up articles on the class action lawsuit, the legal firm contact information is provided. You can contact them for information on the lawsuit. Good luck.
2020 Black and Tan with corrosion on all 4 doors and tailgate. Noticed at 29K. Disgusting denial of the issue and treatment by dealer and FCA/Stellantis. I’ll NEVER buy an FCA product again. How can I join this class action?
Hey David, What a shame to get dragged through such BS. The class action lawsuit is in the US. Read any article on it, and it gives you the contact info on the law firm that launched it. Good luck.
Hey Pete, I kilometre is .6 miles. In a lot of ways the JL is a huge upgrade from earlier models of the Wrangler, but the JLs corrosion issue is something new buyers need to take into account. Cheers.
American, 2020 Wrangler 4-dr. I noticed it starting on my vehicle in a couple of those same spots. My plan is simply to grind it out myself if it ever becomes necessary. I don't care if the paint matches perfectly, as long as the corrosion is arrested.
Everything needs to STOP buying jeeps until they resolve the matter. Ford, Chevy don’t have these issues and they have aluminum bodies also. I think something fishy is going on with the quality of paint material. 🤔
Only a fool would pay 61k for a Sahara and find corrosion and say.."it's a jeep thing"..I pay that kind of money there better not be ANYTHING wrong with it and screw that repainting a couple year old vehicle.
Funny as a Jeep owner of 3 older Jeeps a wagoneer and zJ grand cjerokees.. i looked at these new gladiators like 2 years ago on the Jeep dealer lot.. every single one of them had rust on tje frame welds.. brand new.. No thanks lol..besides theyre all overpriced for what they are.. ill stick to paid for older Jeeps and 0 car payments
I did a video on this same issue on our ‘19 Rubicon several months back. Waited 4 months for the appointment and then the body shop had it for 4 weeks. Only saving Grace was that they provided us with a Grand Cherokee loaner. We just got it back. They repainted the hood and all 4 doors. The paint looks as good as factory but if it comes back, we are dumping it. It’s a tots joke that Jeep can’t seem to correct the underlying issue.
Well I wish you the best. I loved my Jeep but after the corrosion came back for the third time and being out of warranty I moved on and bought another brand’s pickup truck. It’s a shame. Jeep won’t get business from me again.
Nice overview. Think this issue is growing exponentially. More and more cannot get warranty repair for months and even after all this time, no clear indication that Jeep has corrected the issue. The damage on my 3 YO 4Dr is extensive, 8 months waiting time for repair and will only get crushed if I try to get out from under from under it beforehand . Stuck. Love my Jeep but this has killed my enthusiasm. Class action lawsuit is not enough. Nice work on the video.
Thanks for the feedback on the video. I totally understand how you feel. Even though I had the corrosion repaired/repainted on my body panels, it kept coming back. It seems, from what I am reading on FB posts, the offending pieces must be replaced, and some are getting that done. I wish I was made aware of this before I bought. It surprises me that other RUclipsrs aren’t discussing this. Feel free to share the info on this issue to help others. Best of luck.
Wow I just bought a 2018 jl wrangler two days ago used with only 48,000 miles paid cash for it too for 27000 and put a 3 year warranty on it,I've bought 3 brand new cars and a truck in the last 4 years and every car I bought new someone smashed into it causing great damage so I traded in on a new one and I have to put down payment only to get hit again,and again,so now I buy a use vehicle at a decent price and now this issue,always something....
Aluminum rots very quickly when in contact with something that creates Galvanic corrosion. Aluminum boats suffer from this with treated wood and steel hardware
This is just what I wanted to hear. I just dropped $57k on a 2022 gladiator back in may. The dude didn’t even mention this issue or the one with the brakes 😡. If I knew this, I would have bought the Raptor instead.
@@Aggieland79 Sometimes the right front brake is super touchy and seems to grab more than the left. Sometimes you have to fight the steering wheel to keep straight. It’s been to two different dealerships and they can’t get it to happen to them.
FCA is dead, as it became Stellantis in 2021. Most folks buy a vehicle and only see the color, but do not comprehend that most of them have "orange peel" regardless of make. If given one of these new vehicles I have no issue in selling it and acquiring and old one for far less and put the rest of the change in my pocket.
I just bought 2017 Jeep wrangler Willy’s edition and I declined body “cosmetic” with the warranty it’s a JEEP it’s a tank I got hit the other day no damage to me thank god you have to decide do you want a pretty car or do you want a beast
My 2018 Rubicon. It has been entirely repainted once. Within 2 years of new. It is right back worse than ever. Pisses me off. I'm done with Jeep Dodge products. The worst corrosion and rust ever .
Hey Matt, Brutal! Sorry to hear about that. This is such a big issue and it’s so unfair to spend the money these things cost to be faced with such nonsense so early in the new Jeep experience. I’ve done a 100,000 mile review video and essentially everything else doesn’t seem too bad about the JL. In fact, some things are awesome about it. All the best. Should I start a Toyota channel? 😆 Cheers.
Interesting .. are there Certain years its Worse or Certain Colors ? I have a 2021 Sahara JL , just turned 3 years old . .. Snazzberry .. Northern Virginia
Toyota & Japanese auto makers in general have integrity. They solve defective issues. My 2014 Tacoma was recalled. They replaced the entire frame at no cost. My 2020 Wrangler has several spot of paint bubbling. The dealer will repair under warrant. After 3 years tho I will be S#it out of luck. I vowed never to buy an American car again. The girls thought it was pretty.
This is one of the prime reasons why I have very low trust of US manufacturers! This rust problem is all about manufacturing processes and Jeep is not the only manufacturer to have steel bolts through aluminum doors!!! As for the class action law suit, the only acceptable solution is to have Jeep buy all these vehicles back at the original costs to the owners if they bought it new from a dealer! As for folks who bought their Jeeps used from a private party, then Jeep can pay them the cost they paid to acquire the vehicle! Careless design and or manufacturing processes is the cause and it is unbelievable to have this come up in this day and age!
I can't even get Chrysler to send me a hood that's under warranty. They keep cancelling the order that the dealer places after they agreed it is under warranty. I am also a dissatisfied customer!
I actually have some Insider understanding of erosion issues faced by all of the major automakers in the United States. I built the equipment that they use that actually controls corrosion. During the manufacturing process, the bodies and accoutrements of the Body and some frame elements are exposed to what's called an ecote system. If the body is left in ecoat for two higher percentage Beyond what they have determined is optimal. They will literally destroy these bodies by the dozens because they know as a fact that they will not corrode for quite a number of years. So they keep this ecoat mechanism to as close to the minimum as possible. Hence the problem. When you add things like aluminum body panels, and then you expose it to the atmosphere, especially in areas that might use salt for their Winter Road clearing efforts. You invite what's called a galvanic response. The galvanic action means that as the body becomes electrically active due to the acids and salts that contact with the differential metals. Aluminum begins to degrade quite quickly. Especially when it's electrically in contact with steel. That is a physics issue that cannot be mitigated easily. The move to using aluminum has been faster than their understanding of how to mitigate corrosion in aluminum. Aluminum corrodes very quickly in its original state. Win side of about 5 minutes it forms a layer of what cannot be seen. But is a very thin layer of corrosion upon it just by exposing it to the atmosphere. It does have a protective element to it. But once you connected to steel it will do its level best to turn into a powder as quickly as possible. That's what we understand witness as corroded aluminum. It turns into a white powder. If they're claiming that they didn't know about this. As the evidence shows that's a batch of crap. They have intentionally tried to walk a razor Thin Line when all they need to do is increase the percentage of time that the vehicle set in ecoat and it will probably mitigate this considerably. But they want these vehicles to degrade as quickly as possible so that you will for some ungodly reason, by another one. Here is an argument you need to make however when you have a corrosion repair. The repair on that spot and anywhere around that spot starts again with mileage. From the mileage that corrosion repair is done it has to in a new at that mileage. Another suggestion. Take some Marvel Mystery oil, some Deep Creek spray lubricant, some automatic transmission fluid, any of these lubricants and spray them on the inside edges of the door panels and the inside corners of all the fenders and Hood and it will do a lot to retard the growth of corrosion because it insulates the panel from the air. It is cheap insurance. I know that you should not have to do it. This is something that the automotive companies could have done for decades. A light spray of oil on the inner and outer portions of the frame underneath the vehicle will help that vehicle last years longer. Given that the rust degradation of the frame is a major safety issue eventually, I am surprised that they have never been required to do such things. Putting on devices on all vehicles that electronically polarizes the body of the vehicle would do wonders for this issue as well. And it would be dirt cheap on the manufacturing level to install such devices. It's not like the vehicle isn't electrically active to begin with which may be part of the problem. Because if it's phased the wrong way it can actually exacerbate the propagation of corrosion.
Could you please learn how to write English properly. Upvoted for being informative, but my lord how can you claim to be educated with prose that bad. Or maybe you tried to write that in a small edit box on mobile? When you people learn that you need a real computer to write with. Stop using those privacy invasion devices for serious communication.
Hi I am no expert but… Starting with aluminum boats, Old Land Rovers Series 2 and 3. Aluminum Tanks on motorcycle’s, I was informed of Electrolyses. Aluminum is one element and steel, brass, copper are another element. When water and salt get between the elements, electrolysis occurs. Rapidly or slowly. With this knowledge, bass fittings and such are not used in direct contact on aluminum boats. The British were allegedly reported to use Positive Grounding on British Vehicles to reduce further the electrolysis. (Thank you, John Lucas, the Prince of Darkness!). *** Further research required to verify the Positive Ground *** Steel Hinges and Aluminum body panels require more washing with anti salt neutralizer’s after driving on the King’s Highways! Especially in winter with Salt or Mag Chloride being used as de ice on the roads. Hope this helps.
Hey TarktheSharkUSA, Thanks for the info. My feeling is that the flaw may be in the aluminum body panels. Prep? Priming? Quality? Audi owner's vehicles aren't afflicted with this corrosion issue, and I don't believe they wash their vehicles more or anything. Cheers.
Thank you so much for the information! The mechanic at the dealer and I found tones of bubbles on my 2019 JL bikini pearl. Sadly though, it’s not all on the aluminum. The dealership and Jeep Canada are taking their sweet a$$ time taking care of the issue that I feel they are playing me out of my warranty. Your links are super helpful. Keep it up as I’m a great fan of yours!
Cindy, Thank you. I'm sorry to hear of your paint issue, and the warranty hassle. I too was dragged through a long time of BS when trying to address this issue on my Jeep. I hope the information shared in the video can be of some use to you. Good luck. Cheers.
As long as you have made a claim before the warranty expires, FCA/ Stellantis can take as long as they want but they are still on the hook for the repair. It is based on 'date of claim'.
My friend has a '19. Has already had corrosion fixed, steering Box replace, and the transfer case replaced. It only has 20000 miles on it, complete junk. Meanwhile my 2004 Jeep with a 195000 miles on it keeps on going.
So will the corrosion cause the metal to deteriorate to nothing , or will it stop after a point? Thinking I could just vinyl wrap in a rust look then the bubbles under it won’t be seen so who cares then lol
Wow. Great idea! I think it would look great. I have seen a picture of one done like that but can’t recall where. If you do that, I’d love to see it. As far as aluminum corrosion goes, my understanding is that at the surface of the aluminum, aluminum oxide is produced as a white powder, which is what causes the paint to lift off the metal. I believe that after a considerable amount of time, that the aluminum would brake down even more, but for that to happen , other parts of the Jeep would be long gone. That’s just my understanding, I can’t site a source. Cheers
Jason, I'm not sure of its distribution or that salt is the cause. I believe there are other makes of automobiles with aluminum body panels in areas where there is salt on the roads, and they are not experiencing this problem. From what I've read it possibly is contamination on the aluminum before it gets painted.
This happens in Canada because your prime minister wants you only to have electric vehicles, so every night he pees on your hinges. This does not happen in the US because our guy is too old and only dribbles his pants.
My 17 Ram and 18 JK have no issues.. glad I stayed away from the aluminum part models. and the galvanic reaction will eat the aluminum away just like a anode rod in your water tank.
I share in my 100,000 miles review video how in most ways, it is a great vehicle. But the corrosion issue is a flaw that most people can't overlook, if spending the type of cash they are asking.
standing behind their product that's what they call it when they are standing in front of the dealership as you drive away after being told they can't help you
Electrically isolate dissimilar metals and the galvanic action slows to an almost imperceptible level in the medium (atmosphere). Think of the rust/corrosion as an effect of the movement of electrons thru a metallic pathway. The less noble metal is shedding ions in the presence of a more noble metal. If you can control the electrical conductivity between them, you can stop the electron exchange. Nonmetallic hardware, phenolic washers, nylon sleeves...
@@CheaperJeeperTV Carbon contamination is always a possibility, but I would look towards the barrier as the main culprit. You see, before the EPA stepped into a realm they knew nothing about and gutted our paint materials, claiming painting was a gross polluter, we had superior products to work with. The Zinc Chromate primers we used to use on aluminum were 700 grams/L in VOC's or more...that was just the end of the line for the climate cult, so now we use vastly inferior materials. In this electrical management issue of dissimilar metals, paint products of the past would have created a more impenetrable barrier and the electrolyte (moisture in the atmosphere) wouldn't be able to assist in the reaction. I would start by confirming there is no voltage drop between mechanical connections and then use more durable (pollution causing) paint materials.
I ordered a 2023 Wrangler Rubicon in August. Due to be delivered Nov. 7, 2023. I put a non refundable $1000 deposit down in good faith for a nice vehicle. What I’m finding out is that since I was never told about this issue, I have put down a $1000 deposit on a piece of junk. That is unless FCA has done something radical to rectify this issue. Do you know if any new assembly methods for the 2023 models? Since this is a widespread issue which is under a Class action lawsuit, a known issue since 2013 and an issue that was not revealed during the buying process, I will be insisting on the refund of my $1000. I don’t want to have to deal with this issue in the future so I will be walking away from this purchase. It’s disappointing because I have been wanting a Jeep for a long time.
Hey Ned, I haven’t heard or seen any evidence that FCA has changed anything in the build process to avoid this issue in future vehicles. I absolutely understand your feelings of wanting your deposit refunded. Let me know how things pan out? .Good luck.
That really blows!!! Jeep and Stellantis (Owner of Jeep since FCA sold it) may just chalk it up to the cost of doing business instead of resolving the root cause. This problem has been occurring for a few years now on the JL and should have been completely resolved in JL production year number 2!!! I'm so glad I ordered and bought my JK and didn't wait for the JL - it doesn't have any of these issues!!
Galvanic corrosion from steel and aluminum contact. What preschool level engineers at FCA gave this assembly the green light? I will never own a junk FCA product again. I'd rather drive a *gasp* Kia or Hyundai!
It’s my understanding that the JL’s are also having electrical issues. My son’s 2019 JL spent more time at the dealers with electrical issues than it did in his garage. He eventually sold the Jeep and bought a Tundra. I’ve had to replace a thermostat $40 and gas cap $40 in my 2015 JK. The JK has less technology and therefore fewer maintenance issues. Wouldn’t trade my JK even for a JL.
I have read on the forums about the many electronic gremlins that people are experiencing. I had experienced a few on my 2018 JL, but my 2024 JL has been trouble free so far… Knock on wood. Good call on the Tundra! Cheers.
@@CheaperJeeperTV Good to hear. I like the styling of the JL but wouldn’t buy one due to the corrosion and electrical issues. Has Jeep fixed the corrosion problem on the newer JL’s?
I believe, from what I’ve been reading online, that they have now installed zinc shims between the hinge and the door, in an effort to slow down the galvanic corrosion. I have not read or heard about anything else. Time will tell.
Get a big body Bronco...😂lol I have a 2008 JK unlimited and my hinges are in the driveway waiting to be changed, they are ugly I haven't seen any as bad as mine on yt
@CheaperJeeperTV that's what mine is, it's full corrosion, it bubbled up and the paint came off on all the driverside hinges. The passenger side isn't as bad but they are corroded none the less. So I'll be doing mine in the next few weeks.
I feel you. I have 2018 JL and it’s every where on my doors and hinges, and it’s getting worse. I took it in to the dealer, and I was out of warranty by months so they won’t cover it. So now I don’t know what to do as I’m sure it will be thousands to fix. It’s pretty unfair as Jeeps are expensive and my Jeep is mint aside from this stupid bubbling of the paint. I’m interested in the lawsuit to see where it goes. This should be a recall issue. It’s a manufacturing defect that just won’t go away.
Hello FarmhouseFelts, I'm sorry to hear that you are experiencing the same issues. There are many people out there who are facing this same issue. It will never be a recall, as it technically isn't a safety issue. Some people who are beyond warranty have contacted FCA direct, and received "Good Will" repairs to their corrosion. You may want to try that. Many however have reported the corrosion simply returns again. If I can try to help ease the frustration a little, corrosion will just make the paint bubble off, at least the panels will not disintegrate like what would happen with rust on steel panels. You'll lose money now if you trade it in. If it's mint and looked after well, you could consider keeping and enjoying it, and later when you learn where and how a proper repair can be done, pursue that option? As they say, "Misery Loves Company", and as such you may wish to learn more on this new Facebook group; "Jeep JL Corrosion Warranty Information" facebook.com/groups/975754000356535 Cheers
My dream vehicle is Jeep Wrangler! I only got it 6months ago but broke down 3 times since I got it because of over heat , second was December and after two weeks death wobble again I have extended warranty but the things that need to get fixed is not covered paid $3k out of my pocket for repairs now is it time to let it go? PS it’s a Jeep wrangler 2014 has 96k Mileage when I got it.
Hey RoseMary, That will have to be your decision. Everyone has a different threshold for different things. My Jeep has this corrosion issue, and it doesn't bother some people, but for me, the prospect of continually dealing with flaking paint due to aluminum body panel corrosion was enough for me to sell and move on. I work too hard for my money to repeatedly throw it at a vehicle for repeated repairs, when it isn't necessary. In your case you seem to have recurring mechanical issues, and for some people, they pay for repairs and endure the inconvenience because they are hooked to the vehicle, but others might move on to something more reliable, and also more affordable. So...you have to decide, is there something about the Jeep you want so bad that you're prepared for possible more repair costs and inconvenience, or could there possibly be another, more reliable vehicle, that you might also still enjoy? Should you decide to move on, at least the resale on the Jeep Wrangler is relatively higher than on other vehicles. You can see what I ended up doing in this video...ruclips.net/video/Ts71M5ibA2U/видео.html I hope this was helpful. Good luck with your decision. Cheers
I wonder if adding a rubber gasket in-between the door hinge and the body of the door would stop the 2 different metal electrolysis issue.. as mentioned before this is a issue I just learned about in home plumbing where 2 different metals are used and small pins hole occur over time and cause leaks. Many copper pipes are affixed to studs using steel clamps.. I had a few leaks happen and was told by many plumbers about this electrolysis issue occurring there as well.. 2 different metals can cause this.
Maybe that addresses the corrosion around the hinge, but it also occurs elsewhere on body panels nowhere near the steel bolts. Whatever the reason, if FCA wont address this, given that the TSB addresses vehicles with aluminum panels since 2013, wary buyers may want to know when considering a purchase. Cheers
I love how informative this channel is. You kindly breakdown everything nicely 👍🏼. PS I own a 2918 JL Sport but in white so it’s a little less noticeable but it’s there alright
Thank you for your feedback on the channel. I’m glad you find it informative. Feel free to share!😝 Sorry to hear you have the dreaded corrosion issue on your Jeep as well. I’ve come to believe that only replacement of the offending body panels will fix the issue. My hinges were replaced and there was no further signs of continued corrosion. My doors were repaired/repainted twice and then the corrosion returned again. Now that I’m buying the parameters of the warranty, further repairs would be at my cost. It’s not a great place to be after buying such an expensive new vehicle. 🤷🏻♂️
I used to service and repair aluminum fuel trailers. This is the perfect example as to why our manufacturers don't paint the barrels. It allowed our wash team to acid bath the trailers and remove any surface corrosion after winter. I know it’s different on cars but damn this sucks. Hope my 22’ JT has been addressed on this issue.
Absolutely! I’m reading online on Facebook groups that the only solution is to have the offending panels of contaminated metal replaced. Many share that the dealers had done this for them. As in my case, the hinges were replaced and the corrosion didn’t return. The other body panels were simply repaired/repainted two times and it returned for a third time. As my warranty ran out. I maintained that since I brought it in while under warranty, and since they hadn’t resolved the issue properly, that they needed to replace the offending panels. Unfortunately for me, they refused. I hope you have better luck.
What your dealer is telling you is inaccurate. I can’t say it any more politely. You just have to read all the posts online from Jeep forums to know it’s a big issue. If you’re not interested in fighting with this dealer, I recommend taking your Jeep to a dealer prepared to properly service your Jeep. Good luck.
Yes, I believe so. On the 2024s, I believe that they have added zinc shims between the hinges and the doors, and this may slow down the process, perhaps? That is my understanding from what I have read online.
There is a Facebook group on the JL corrosion issue, and I believe I have read accounts on Jeeps as new as 2022. There is some mentioned about a zinc shim being applied under the hinges on 2024 models which would serve to Postpone the corrosion perhaps.
I have a 2021 Jeep Gladiator Mojave the metal in the rear bumper where the hooks come out is completely rusting out from last winter I haven't looked at it recently I figured I'm going to wait right before the warranty is up have them fix that also the door bolts that you take off to pull the doors off they're not black anymore they're turning white just awful
Hey Jamie, That sounds like a good plan. In fact, I'd make sure in advance that the dealership understands and is agreeable with the plan and timing. You'd hate to have left it 'till then, and have problems with them honouring it. Good luck.
I drove a 4 dr limo Sahara jl today for my job. What a joke of a vehicle! Just goofy and an absolute maller. These aren't even remotely a Jeep, not by any stretch of the imagination. If you have ever had any pre Wrangler or Wrangler from '41 - '06, you will understand what a Jeep is. It's very unfortunate what the name has become and since '07, it's in name ONLY. People, if you're going to dole out $40k - $60k+, and going to cocoon yourself and your passengers with a hard top, just get a Grand Cherokee Overland. These are meant to have 4 doors and be luxury mobiles with all the fluff bells and whistles nonsense. The 4 dr heeps are absolutely horrible, fugly, super goofy, uncomfortable and they ride like shit.
@@LuckyC555 I stand by it, maybe it was just this one in particular or perhaps it's ole Chrysler Fiat maintaining their great standards. 😎 Regardless Jeep died in '06. Enjoy your 4 dr techno heep.
I am in the uk..4 year old 2019 JL rubicon. Despite the warranty being 5 years, i am tild the paint warranty is only 3 years...the jeep has only done 15k miles, and has blisters on both doors, a wing, under hood and door hinges. Rear door and hinges are ok. My vehicle cost about $70k here...and still zero help from FCA/Stellantis.
Sorry to hear about your Jeep corrosion issue. Canada’s warranty for this is different from that in the US as well. I brought mine in under warranty but it kept returning. It appears some people have actually had offending components replaced and it subsequently did not return. Once beyond the warranty FCA sent me packing. I sold my Jeep to get what I could get for it, but still at a loss as a result of the corrosion issue. There are many any posts about this in Facebook groups and Jeep forums. Not to mention the class action lawsuit filed. I loved the Jeep but can’t put my hard earned money into another one until I learn that this issue has been resolved. Good luck.
Corrosion isn’t new to Jeep Wranglers. In face my CJ7 which I bought new in 1986 began rusting before it was four years old. So did my brothers CJ7. You’d expect Jeep would get it right. I’ve seen some corrosion on my JL,s hinges. Something’s never change.
The corrosion mentioned in the video focuses on the all aluminum body panels and the paint flaking/bubbling on them. I agree with you, you’d expect Jeep might have a handle on this, given the TSB addressing FCA vehicles with aluminum panels going back to 2015.
My 2018 JL was repaint two times for door and hood hinges in the first 3 year !!!! Not happy about this…….after all those years of fabricating the Jeep they shouldn’t have this issue in 2k !!! It so basic…….they should know metal on aluminium will cause a reaction……..what kind of engineer/designer they have ??? Get rid off the hinges !!!
Chrysler Fiat Steletica, what ever, they keep merging and making crap! Other's coat brake lines and have great rust prevention on their products as the cars/vehicle prices have skyrocketed. I had a Ram with corrosion filled bumpers, brake lines, doors, wheel wells (after a few years) and waxed and washed regularly .... Terrible! They took all the protection away from the products and it shows. I will not buy another product of theirs ... ever! Cheaply made / but expensive crap!
Damn. I own a 22 Gladiator hopefully it doesn’t go through this shit. This is definitely a prep problem IMO. Ford had an issue on the earlier S197 mustangs (I own one)…Hoods would bubble and the only way to fix it is to strip it and repaint. I had mine repainted over 10 years ago and it’s still mint. They probably need to use an epoxy primer. No one in this day and age should have to deal with this, lessons have been learned over the years and paint technology exists to avoid this problem.
I have a Jeep JL 2018. I noticed the same spot had the paint bubblling up. I went to the dealerswhip. They said I had 4 months left on the corrosion warranty. I was also told that since I reported it I was covered. Thing is there were 95 jeeps ahead of me, They said every month they send two jeeps in for repaIRS. I won't get mine fixed until mid 2024. Hopefully it will only be one time.
My US driven Canuck built 2020 JL had blistering on the edge of the hood in 2021. Dealer ordered a new hood and farmed it out to be painted. They mismatched the paint and we are still arguing about the paint. Color is Punk'n.
They didn’t switch out my corroded components and it just kept coming back after each repair. Once I was out of warranty, I was in my own with regards to subsequent repairs. So…I sold the Jeep. 🤷🏻♂️
I gave up😀. You should look up for the China copy cat wrangler on RUclips which I found it very sleek looing. If the Federal government allows them to be imported which will give Jeep a good wake up call.
Found some corrosion on my 2021 Rubicon, all of it involved the hinges! I took it to the stealership and they are looking in to it, its been two weeks and no contact from them. Very disappointed in FCA.
I bought a 2021 gladiator and on the hood there are 2 spots that are blistering up. 33000 miles. Was told by dealership to get an estimate from the body shop that they use. Had to go back twice.This has been going on for 2 months now and the factory warranty is coming up to the end. The dealership has done what it’s supposed to do,the company isn’t doing what they promised to do.
I feel your pain. Apparently I read online that there is a proper way to repair these things so that it doesn’t return. I’m not sure though. I have to do a little more research in that maybe make another video on the proper way to repair it given that so many are complaining about it returning.
thanks for the vid. i had both my doors and hood replaced last summer from the corrosion on the hinges and along the bottom/leading edges, hopefully it wont happen again. the bodyshop shop said they pre-painted the doors/hood before mounting the hinges and think that will help
Thanks for the video. I was planning to order the 2025 model later on this year when it becomes available to order online. But this Corrosion issue really bothers me, I have been on many forums and it seems there is no real solution for it! 😥
Lost for words mine is going in for third paint job,2018 jl mojito,if it happens again I will get them to paint again ,I will never buy a dodge or jeep product ever again especially not in pembroke Ontario
My 2019 Jeep Wrangler JL has corrosion on the hood the doors the hinges the back door it just never ends and it's in the shop right now been waiting for several months to get it in they told me it could take a month to a month and a half to fix it but they did provide me with the rental car Jeep is paying for that and Jeep is also paying for everything that needs fixed thank God
Oh, as I typed my last note I was listening, if there’s rust it will get much worse and finally you can see sunlight through your doors etc. Rust is Rust! It’s like a Labrador…it just keeps eating !
Just to be clear, I believe that on the steel panels, the oxidation is referred to as rust, and the metal disintegrates, and perforation occurs relatively quickly. On aluminum panels, the oxidation is referred to as oxidation, and aluminum oxide appears on the surface of the metal, lifting the paint off the metal. The Jeep is not likely to still be on the road by the time the aluminum panels would ever perforate from the oxidation process.
Just looked at a 2021 rubicon wrangler and it had it everywhere hinges, doors, hood etc. Seems to be a bigger problem than they let on. It sucks, i like the wrangler but might have to go with the bronco
Hey Wilson, Yep, it is a way bigger issue than they are letting on. It's a shame that not many other people out there are sharing this important information. Mind you, make sure you find out about any issues that the Bronco may have to determine what you can live with. I'd suggest possibly considering the 4Runner as well. I'd be curious to learn which way you go after you've done your research. Cheers.
Maybe you should consider a review on the POOR electronics all the CDJR vehicles are plagued with. When the radio starts to delaminate all the electronics in the Jeep fail. Not just the radio, heat, air everything goes OUT! Jeep knowes this and has for years. They offer no assistance to the consumer once this happens. It'll cost you up to $1800.00 to repair with no guarantee it won't happen again. STAY AWAY from Jeeps!
I feel your frustration with your Jeep. I read many similar complaints on Jeep Wrangler Forums and on Jeep FaceBook Club posts.
Thank you for continually keeping this issue known to the buying public! Well done informational video.
Thanks Dennis!
Cheers.
Thanks man for the update on an issue that has been plaguing me with my 2019 rubicon unlimited. So far only all of my hinges were affected. Dealership quickly and quietly painted all 4 doors. Sadly it’s never quite the same as the factory in regards to QC. GOOD TO KNOW THAT ITS NOT JUST A CANADIAN ISSUE. We all bought these jeeps knowing that a June bug would destroy the windshield, and that we were going to pay an arm and a leg to drive this amazing looking vehicle to every gas station but I don’t think anyone thought that we would be dealing with corrosion/oxidation/paint bubbling and flaking after 1 and a half years in my case
Hey mathew,
Very true.
Very sad, but very true.
Wow you scared me mister! Only 1.5 years?
Just got my jeep 3 weeks ago.
So far I've been reading a lot about how to take care of it. Specially getting ready for QC winters.
Did you applied a protective product or something?
A lot of people apply crown rust proofing, or fluid film. I’ve made a couple videos about that as well. Feel free to check them out. Cheers.
My wife and I are in the same boat with her 2019 Jl every hinge and the front of the hood have bubbling it's insane to pay $42k dollars for this too happen in only 3yrs of ownership.
And like mine, keeps coming back after two repairs already!!!
I paid $67,000 right jeep JL wrangler unlimited Rubicon and my jeep was housed in my garage and only had 5400 original miles on it to this day. It took me a year and a half of fighting with Jeep corporate until they finally relented and agreed to fix my jeep. Then I had to go to 11 different jeep dealerships before I could find one that agreed to fix the problem since all the other jeep dealerships were all pain are their own pockets for each Jeep repair that they made even though it was Fiat Chrysler who fucked up an allowed the vehicles to be released and sold the customers anyway. Fiat Chrysler is most definitely negligent on this and every other recall that I’ve underwent since I’ve owned my jeep. I’ve done Chrysler‘s advertising for the last 35 years and I refused to buy a Chrysler up until I purchased my jeep because of the shitty quality. When I saw my jeep I fell in love with it and bought it off the lot only to be told by the dealership that they could’ve sold it 10 times over since I purchased it to other customers.
Chrysler is famous for punting They’re problematic vehicles down the road the only way to hold Chrysler responsible is to get in their face and call corporate every single day until They agree to correct and mediate the problem that they created in the first place. If you are Chrysler I would simply pay for high-end materials in the first place instead of constantly cutting corners they wouldn’t constantly be in this position. It’s exactly why Daimler decided to pull out of the deal with Chrysler from the very beginning. Mercedes is known for their quality and they did everything they could to bring up Chryslers quality however Chrysler‘s management and ownership are absolute assholes they continue to do things the old ways which is they only care about profit over people. It’s a shame that they’ve scammed so many people are their money. This is the last jeep I’ll ever own I’d much rather buy a Ford bronco, a G wagon, A hummer or any other 4 x 4 other than a vehicle made by Fiat Chrysler ever again
Wow. You clearly feel strongly about your buying experience. I can’t say I blame you after spending such money on a “new” vehicle only to be saddled down with problems.
Is it just me or your background music sounds like a 1970’s porno
@@imghost6296 Lesson learned. I will never buy any Jeep after '06. They are absolute garbage.
Jeep
Born: 1941
Died: 2006
It was a good run, but it's over. At least we have CJ's, YJ's and TJ's that we can restore and maintain that will last.
I had worked as a body tech and a painter at a Jeep Dealer in Maryland for years. The only way we allowed to repair this issue was with brand new body panels. If the panels are repaired and not repaired they have wind up with a high repair failure rate. We did a couple Jeep Wranglers, GC’s a month. The parts supply issues during the pandemic did slow our pace a bit since we couldn’t get new doors for awhile.
If a place is only repairing the panels find another place!!!
Hey Jason,
That’s valuable information.
FCA however will not fix it now due to my high kilometres in the Jeep. If I was in the US, their warranty is unlimited miles, so I’d be able to push for warranty work and maybe new panels.
Thanks for the info.
Jason, is there a requirement to replace or is it left to the discretion of the facility? I'm looking at buying an 18 Rubicon in the next few weeks (it's trade coming to my favorite dealer) and want to know how to address this with the GM there. He's a stand up guy and I want to work out an understanding about the path forward if/when I have issues with it, should I decide to buy it. Thanks in advance!
@@brianfiore9024 My hinges got replaced on the second reoccurring corrosion incident, and so far they have not corroded again. The doors were simply repaired, upon the second reoccurring of corrosion, and now corrosion on my doors has reappeared for the third time. This would lead me to believe that the only solution would be to replace to corrupted parts, with clean ones. I have heard where a dealership replaced the persons doors. I hope this is helpful.
@@CheaperJeeperTV I think you have cause to state that the issue was never properly fixed and they are still liable for the repair. You raised issue while the vehicle was under warranty and it was not correctly fixed.
I had my 2018 JLUR repaired under warranty. Jeep replaced both front doors and the rear driver door, and had a body shop repair my hood, and tailgate. I was initially very happy with the resolution…UNTIL I found that the door panes they used as replacements DO NOT have any welded seams! Most importantly around the channel that retains the weather stripping. So even though there is weather stripping there the channel that it sits in is not sealed against the door panel. There is anywhere up to 1/8” gap all the way around the bottom of the door. I didn’t notice this until driving down the interstate and wondering where the wind noise was coming from. That and the fact that there is a lot of air leaking into the car. Of course it was going into the winter when I discovered the air leak. I took it back to Jeep, they documented it and was presenting that information to Jeep for resolution. I didn’t get a response until late spring. So I had to use gaffers tape to seal the gaps to keep out the winter air and kill the wind noise for the winter! Jeep’s response was that “there was nothing wrong with the door panels…that’s how they make them now”. WHAT?! So I asked them how in the world will that keep water out of my vehicle is I were to ford a water crossing that came up over the bottom door sill? Crickets. Then I was later told that they will no longer work on the issue as they have completed the repair and there is nothing wrong with my doors. Where’s the middle-finger emoji?! Cause that’s what they gave me.
Wow. That’s brutal!!! Sorry to hear about your experience.
Like I said in other replies, I wish I was aware about this issue before I purchased.
Please what Phone number of Chrysler Jeep did you contact
I have called 3x & gotten Dealers 8 that for not inspect or give you a repair shop
Thank you for the info. You have helped me decide to get the 4Runner instead. Had a 2000 Toyota Tacoma years ago. Rust/frame issue. The Tacoma was 10 years old, 115k miles on it. Toyota bought the truck back from me at 150% street value with an apology from Toyota. Shame that Jeep lost me today as a customer. C'mon Jeep, repeat customers is where the $ is!!!
Hey Edward,
I frequently compare in my mind how Toyota handled that situation in comparison to how FCA addresses issues now. I made this video because I wished someone shared this with me when I made my purchasing decision.
Cheers.
@@CheaperJeeperTV Funny thing...I own a 1976 Jeep CJ7 in near mint condition. Still have the original keys and the Jeep still has the American Motors emblem on the back. They truly don't make them like they used to.
Wow. That sound nice. 👍
Ahh you missed out on a lot of fun taking the top down; we have a 4Runner too and while very reliable it is also very boring; we keep it around paid off for an extra car but I don’t grab it on purpose
@@gtamantube it ain't fun if it don't work.... Modern wranglers are trash....... Last Real and reliable wranglers we're the TJ generation, and you can make a strong argument as the best one of all time..........modern Wranglers are middle American Mercedes Benz...... All Bling bling no go go..........
I traded a 2019 JL with a few problem spots. The dealership didn't care. I guess they know they can sell it to somebody who is unaware of the corrosion issue. So far my 2021 shows no signs but I know, it's only a matter of time. I'll get rid of it then. I bet this video opened up a few eyes!
Hey Randy,
Create thought of it, I would have appreciated it if someone had shared this information with me when I was looking for a vehicle. I hope the video is helpful for somebody.
Cheers
We have two JL's (2018/19)in the family, no corrosion but both had the rear mail seal fail plus a $1200 coolant leak that costs over $3000 within 5 weeks. Not my first jeep but my last. These cars are a POS with many unnecessary electrical and quality issues.
Hey Peter,
Sorry to hear.
Geez, I had rear main seal leak, phaser failure (had to get er towed on that one), locker wiring, clutch (on going, we all know the clutch system is whacked even if it passes the 'recall'), and now potential camshaft / lifter issues, unless it is carbon buildup.
All under 75k kilometers... 2018 JL.
At least my hinges seem fine...lol.
Is she fun? Yes, but so is a used, older one, with a developed aftermarket and parts at your local scrapyard...
Still only mopar / centerforce clutches available after what will be close to 5yr on the market....
Holy shit my head hurts so much info all at once lmao joking thank-you so much for this video keep them coming
Awesome. Thanks for the feedback. I hope you found the info helpful. Cheers.
If I knew my doors and hinges would be corroded within four years I never would have purchased my Jeep.
Yep! I wished someone informed me about this issue too. I also would have chosen differently!!! That’s why I made this video, to get this info out there. Feel free to share.
will be very interested to learn the. results of the class action. ...hope we win big
Hey miles,
Yes. It will be interesting.
Cheers
Thank you Dino! You helped me dodge the Jeep JL paint bubbling debacle. Your videos and articles helped me select the right Jeep Wrangler unlimited for me. Which ended up being a 2016 Jeep Wrangler unlimited 75th anniversary model in black, with only 57,000 KMs.
I take delivery on the 25th of August 2022!
Hey Tony,
Awesome! Nice find! You’re going to enjoy it for sure.
Cheers
Hey there! How did you dodge the paint problem?
I believe he bought a JK instead of a JL.
My 2021 Rubicon is so far so good! 25K hard wheeling miles and it’s been perfect!
Hey DUNE ATV,
Awesome. I’m glad to hear. Hopefully it won’t appear on your Jeep. 🤞
Cheers
@@CheaperJeeperTV I’m in Arizona…I haven’t seen a Jeep yet with this problem
@@DUNEATV as I suspected. As I wrote in my other comment deicing is also horrible for the environment.
They can keep these piece of junk Jeeps 🤬🤬🤬😤😤😤👎👎
I understand your sentiment, mind you there are many other things about the jeep Wrangler that are awesome.
I covered them in this link…
ruclips.net/video/PSFNlsY5A4U/видео.htmlsi=nnh9kiVPN63oeIZI
well I am an engineer and I will tell you this is from improper panel prep. it is also on almost every aluminum bodied vehicle for decades. some of this is also due to improper grounding of the panel. I have a new JT and will keep an eye out but my Mustang hood and Audi deck had the same issue. this is not a jeep thing but a automotive product defect
I agree. Thank you so much for the feedback. Cheers.
Whats the best way to check for proper grounding of the panels?
Just found some corrosion on the hinges on the tailgate. Not sure what I an going to do yet but still love my JL and would do it all over again regardless.
Hey Anton,
I certainly can understand how you like your Jeep so much.
Corrosion flaws in such an expensive and new vehicle, like on many JLs, and JTs is simply inexcusable. Especially in this day and age when the knowledge and practice is out there to do a better job.
@@CheaperJeeperTV I hear you. I've been fighting with a subtle ticking sound and after a turbo (and wastegate) replacement last year, tick is back and there is a timing chain waiting for me... thanks for all of your work into these videos!
I'm a certificated airframe and powerplant mechanic and deal with corrosion in aluminum structure on a near daily basis. Corrosion on aluminum structure is worse than corrosion on steel given how fast it can literally turn structure into dirt. I don't know what alloy jeep uses but in aviation the .out common alloys use copper for its high strength and conductivity. We will typically use a chemical conversion coating such as alodine (bond rite now) on top of primer and then paint to reduce chances of corrosion.
Hey Glen,
Thank you for your informed point of view. FCA should be talking with you. Thanks again. Cheers.
Great to see a certified A&P tech chime in on this. Flying C-130s into Antarctica showed me the aviation industry has this problem well in hand. Would that FCA gather some A&P technicians into the fold to correct this once and for all...
Hey Dennis,
Interesting.
Cheers
My 2019 HellaYella JLU Sport has fallen victim on 3 of the 4 doors. I’m interested to find out how I can join the Class Action Lawsuit. I did take it back to the dealership and they approved it for “repair” not replacement. The quickest they could get me in was 3 weeks out and they promised me a loaner vehicle. Fast forward to day of drop off and guess what? “We never promised you a loaner, we don’t have any”. The Jeep is my only source of transportation to and from work. I left highly disgusted and angry. Needless to say the corrosion is still there and I’m at a loss of what to do next.
On a side note I bought a 2005 Ford Expedition new and it did the exact same thing on the aluminum lift gate. Except 3 and 4 inch sections of paint popped completely off. Ford flat out refused to do anything about it.
Hey Bill,
Sorry to hear about the bad experience. It's good for people to know about this. If you look up articles on the class action lawsuit, the legal firm contact information is provided. You can contact them for information on the lawsuit.
Good luck.
2020 Black and Tan with corrosion on all 4 doors and tailgate. Noticed at 29K. Disgusting denial of the issue and treatment by dealer and FCA/Stellantis. I’ll NEVER buy an FCA product again. How can I join this class action?
Hey David,
What a shame to get dragged through such BS.
The class action lawsuit is in the US. Read any article on it, and it gives you the contact info on the law firm that launched it.
Good luck.
I’m buying a Yota
Yep! The Land Cruiser and 4Runners seem pretty nice.
Not sure what a keelomiter is , but I feel for you. I'm glad I have a TJ
Hey Pete,
I kilometre is .6 miles. In a lot of ways the JL is a huge upgrade from earlier models of the Wrangler, but the JLs corrosion issue is something new buyers need to take into account.
Cheers.
American, 2020 Wrangler 4-dr.
I noticed it starting on my vehicle in a couple of those same spots.
My plan is simply to grind it out myself if it ever becomes necessary. I don't care if the paint matches perfectly, as long as the corrosion is arrested.
Cool. Send me picture or videos and I’ll make an episode. Good luck. Cheers.
Everything needs to STOP buying jeeps until they resolve the matter. Ford, Chevy don’t have these issues and they have aluminum bodies also. I think something fishy is going on with the quality of paint material. 🤔
Thanks for sharing.
Only a fool would pay 61k for a Sahara and find corrosion and say.."it's a jeep thing"..I pay that kind of money there better not be ANYTHING wrong with it and screw that repainting a couple year old vehicle.
I hear ‘ya!
Funny as a Jeep owner of 3 older Jeeps a wagoneer and zJ grand cjerokees.. i looked at these new gladiators like 2 years ago on the Jeep dealer lot.. every single one of them had rust on tje frame welds.. brand new..
No thanks lol..besides theyre all overpriced for what they are.. ill stick to paid for older Jeeps and 0 car payments
Who could argue with that. Enjoy your Jeep. Cheers.
I did a video on this same issue on our ‘19 Rubicon several months back. Waited 4 months for the appointment and then the body shop had it for 4 weeks. Only saving Grace was that they provided us with a Grand Cherokee loaner. We just got it back. They repainted the hood and all 4 doors. The paint looks as good as factory but if it comes back, we are dumping it. It’s a tots joke that Jeep can’t seem to correct the underlying issue.
Well I wish you the best. I loved my Jeep but after the corrosion came back for the third time and being out of warranty I moved on and bought another brand’s pickup truck. It’s a shame. Jeep won’t get business from me again.
Nice overview. Think this issue is growing exponentially. More and more cannot get warranty repair for months and even after all this time, no clear indication that Jeep has corrected the issue. The damage on my 3 YO 4Dr is extensive, 8 months waiting time for repair and will only get crushed if I try to get out from under from under it beforehand . Stuck. Love my Jeep but this has killed my enthusiasm. Class action lawsuit is not enough. Nice work on the video.
Thanks for the feedback on the video. I totally understand how you feel. Even though I had the corrosion repaired/repainted on my body panels, it kept coming back. It seems, from what I am reading on FB posts, the offending pieces must be replaced, and some are getting that done. I wish I was made aware of this before I bought. It surprises me that other RUclipsrs aren’t discussing this. Feel free to share the info on this issue to help others.
Best of luck.
Wow I just bought a 2018 jl wrangler two days ago used with only 48,000 miles paid cash for it too for 27000 and put a 3 year warranty on it,I've bought 3 brand new cars and a truck in the last 4 years and every car I bought new someone smashed into it causing great damage so I traded in on a new one and I have to put down payment only to get hit again,and again,so now I buy a use vehicle at a decent price and now this issue,always something....
True! Always something. I’m sure you’re gonna have a great time enjoying your jeep however. Cheers.
The engineers at Jeep are morons,I have a 2016 Ford F150 and it's all aluminum and not 1 area of corrosion..Ford engineers knew what they were doing.
Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
Aluminum rots very quickly when in contact with something that creates Galvanic corrosion. Aluminum boats suffer from this with treated wood and steel hardware
Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
This is just what I wanted to hear. I just dropped $57k on a 2022 gladiator back in may. The dude didn’t even mention this issue or the one with the brakes 😡. If I knew this, I would have bought the Raptor instead.
Hey Johnny,
That’s exactly how I felt. It’s also exactly why I made this video. Please feel free to help others by sharing.
Sorry.
What brake issues? I'm looking at a 2021 Rubicon.
I’m not sure about the brake issue. I may look it up. T think that the corrosion issue is enough to reconsider any purchase for me though. 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe this? www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/forum/threads/front-brake-issues.50701/
@@Aggieland79
Sometimes the right front brake is super touchy and seems to grab more than the left. Sometimes you have to fight the steering wheel to keep straight. It’s been to two different dealerships and they can’t get it to happen to them.
FCA is dead, as it became Stellantis in 2021. Most folks buy a vehicle and only see the color, but do not comprehend that most of them have "orange peel" regardless of make. If given one of these new vehicles I have no issue in selling it and acquiring and old one for far less and put the rest of the change in my pocket.
Yes. That’s a decent option. Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
I just bought 2017 Jeep wrangler Willy’s edition and I declined body “cosmetic” with the warranty it’s a JEEP it’s a tank I got hit the other day no damage to me thank god you have to decide do you want a pretty car or do you want a beast
Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
My 2018 Rubicon. It has been entirely repainted once. Within 2 years of new. It is right back worse than ever. Pisses me off. I'm done with Jeep Dodge products. The worst corrosion and rust ever
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Hey Matt,
Brutal! Sorry to hear about that.
This is such a big issue and it’s so unfair to spend the money these things cost to be faced with such nonsense so early in the new Jeep experience. I’ve done a 100,000 mile review video and essentially everything else doesn’t seem too bad about the JL. In fact, some things are awesome about it.
All the best. Should I start a Toyota channel? 😆
Cheers.
Interesting .. are there Certain years its Worse or Certain Colors ? I have a 2021 Sahara JL , just turned 3 years old . .. Snazzberry .. Northern Virginia
I am not aware of any certain colours or years that are worse than others. Sorry.
Toyota & Japanese auto makers in general have integrity. They solve defective issues. My 2014 Tacoma was recalled. They replaced the entire frame at no cost. My 2020 Wrangler has several spot of paint bubbling. The dealer will repair under warrant. After 3 years tho I will be S#it out of luck. I vowed never to buy an American car again. The girls thought it was pretty.
Hey Peter,
I feel your pain!
Thanks for sharing.
Cheers.
The only way to 100% get rid of the corrosion issue? sell the pos. The Jeep brand is garbage today.
I sold the one featured in this video, and upgraded to a Rubicon. However Toyota has some nice options for consideration. Cheers
I have a 2019 jlu and jeep is trying to get out of fixing my paint corrosion issue l. Had it in before warranty ran out
Sorry to hear about the corrosion issue that you’re dealing with. Good luck.
That is likely bad paint prep or too much moisture during painting. This is a deal breaker for me. I'll buy something else.
After I got rid of that jeep, after a while, I was missing it, and I bought a 2024 Rubicon X. Mind you the Toyotas present viable alternative.Cheers
This is one of the prime reasons why I have very low trust of US manufacturers! This rust problem is all about manufacturing processes and Jeep is not the only manufacturer to have steel bolts through aluminum doors!!! As for the class action law suit, the only acceptable solution is to have Jeep buy all these vehicles back at the original costs to the owners if they bought it new from a dealer! As for folks who bought their Jeeps used from a private party, then Jeep can pay them the cost they paid to acquire the vehicle!
Careless design and or manufacturing processes is the cause and it is unbelievable to have this come up in this day and age!
I hear ‘ya!
Don’t buy a Jeep! Over 18k in warranty repairs and over 3k in car rentals I’ve eaten. They’re called Heeps for a reason
Sorry to hear about your experience. I was hoping to help others by informing them of this issue. Thank you for sharing. Cheers.
I can't even get Chrysler to send me a hood that's under warranty. They keep cancelling the order that the dealer places after they agreed it is under warranty. I am also a dissatisfied customer!
Brutal. Sorry to hear about your bad experience.
I actually have some Insider understanding of erosion issues faced by all of the major automakers in the United States. I built the equipment that they use that actually controls corrosion.
During the manufacturing process, the bodies and accoutrements of the Body and some frame elements are exposed to what's called an ecote system. If the body is left in ecoat for two higher percentage Beyond what they have determined is optimal. They will literally destroy these bodies by the dozens because they know as a fact that they will not corrode for quite a number of years. So they keep this ecoat mechanism to as close to the minimum as possible. Hence the problem.
When you add things like aluminum body panels, and then you expose it to the atmosphere, especially in areas that might use salt for their Winter Road clearing efforts. You invite what's called a galvanic response. The galvanic action means that as the body becomes electrically active due to the acids and salts that contact with the differential metals. Aluminum begins to degrade quite quickly. Especially when it's electrically in contact with steel. That is a physics issue that cannot be mitigated easily. The move to using aluminum has been faster than their understanding of how to mitigate corrosion in aluminum. Aluminum corrodes very quickly in its original state. Win side of about 5 minutes it forms a layer of what cannot be seen. But is a very thin layer of corrosion upon it just by exposing it to the atmosphere. It does have a protective element to it. But once you connected to steel it will do its level best to turn into a powder as quickly as possible. That's what we understand witness as corroded aluminum. It turns into a white powder. If they're claiming that they didn't know about this. As the evidence shows that's a batch of crap. They have intentionally tried to walk a razor Thin Line when all they need to do is increase the percentage of time that the vehicle set in ecoat and it will probably mitigate this considerably. But they want these vehicles to degrade as quickly as possible so that you will for some ungodly reason, by another one.
Here is an argument you need to make however when you have a corrosion repair. The repair on that spot and anywhere around that spot starts again with mileage. From the mileage that corrosion repair is done it has to in a new at that mileage.
Another suggestion. Take some Marvel Mystery oil, some Deep Creek spray lubricant, some automatic transmission fluid, any of these lubricants and spray them on the inside edges of the door panels and the inside corners of all the fenders and Hood and it will do a lot to retard the growth of corrosion because it insulates the panel from the air. It is cheap insurance. I know that you should not have to do it. This is something that the automotive companies could have done for decades.
A light spray of oil on the inner and outer portions of the frame underneath the vehicle will help that vehicle last years longer. Given that the rust degradation of the frame is a major safety issue eventually, I am surprised that they have never been required to do such things.
Putting on devices on all vehicles that electronically polarizes the body of the vehicle would do wonders for this issue as well. And it would be dirt cheap on the manufacturing level to install such devices. It's not like the vehicle isn't electrically active to begin with which may be part of the problem. Because if it's phased the wrong way it can actually exacerbate the propagation of corrosion.
Hey 44 Hawk,
Thanks for your insight.
Cheers.
And there it is... this is cake taking material, I do enjoy in-depth explanations, much appreciated 👍
Could you please learn how to write English properly. Upvoted for being informative, but my lord how can you claim to be educated with prose that bad. Or maybe you tried to write that in a small edit box on mobile? When you people learn that you need a real computer to write with. Stop using those privacy invasion devices for serious communication.
This is an erosion issue? I thought it was a corrosion issue? Since you have insider information then you must be correct.
Does Rustolium Paint, & or Rino Liner Paint, help so No rust... Will show up on JL, & or JT, Jeeps???
🤷🏻♂️
Hi I am no expert but…
Starting with aluminum boats, Old Land Rovers Series 2 and 3. Aluminum Tanks on motorcycle’s, I was informed of Electrolyses.
Aluminum is one element and steel, brass, copper are another element.
When water and salt get between the elements, electrolysis occurs. Rapidly or slowly. With this knowledge, bass fittings and such are not used in direct contact on aluminum boats.
The British were allegedly reported to use Positive Grounding on British Vehicles to reduce further the electrolysis. (Thank you, John Lucas, the Prince of Darkness!). *** Further research required to verify the Positive Ground ***
Steel Hinges and Aluminum body panels require more washing with anti salt neutralizer’s after driving on the King’s Highways! Especially in winter with Salt or Mag Chloride being used as de ice on the roads.
Hope this helps.
Hey TarktheSharkUSA,
Thanks for the info.
My feeling is that the flaw may be in the aluminum body panels. Prep? Priming? Quality?
Audi owner's vehicles aren't afflicted with this corrosion issue, and I don't believe they wash their vehicles more or anything.
Cheers.
Thank you so much for the information! The mechanic at the dealer and I found tones of bubbles on my 2019 JL bikini pearl. Sadly though, it’s not all on the aluminum. The dealership and Jeep Canada are taking their sweet a$$ time taking care of the issue that I feel they are playing me out of my warranty. Your links are super helpful. Keep it up as I’m a great fan of yours!
Cindy,
Thank you.
I'm sorry to hear of your paint issue, and the warranty hassle.
I too was dragged through a long time of BS when trying to address this issue on my Jeep.
I hope the information shared in the video can be of some use to you.
Good luck.
Cheers.
As long as you have made a claim before the warranty expires, FCA/ Stellantis can take as long as they want but they are still on the hook for the repair. It is based on 'date of claim'.
2012, the aluminum hood on my 2012 dodge car has had corrosion issue since 2015ish? Never gets bigger but ugly to look at
Maybe they’ll have figured it out by next year.🤷🏻♂️
Don’t buy a jeep there a piece of JUNK ! Had one would never make that mistake again !
I did a 100,000 mile review video with more detail. You may want to see what I thought after owning my Jeep for 100,000 miles. Cheers.
My friend has a '19. Has already had corrosion fixed, steering Box replace, and the transfer case replaced. It only has 20000 miles on it, complete junk. Meanwhile my 2004 Jeep with a 195000 miles on it keeps on going.
Hey charlie,
I’m sorry about the issues your friend is having with his 2019.
@@CheaperJeeperTV I'm not. I told him repeatedly not to buy it.
So will the corrosion cause the metal to deteriorate to nothing , or will it stop after a point?
Thinking I could just vinyl wrap in a rust look then the bubbles under it won’t be seen so who cares then lol
Wow. Great idea! I think it would look great. I have seen a picture of one done like that but can’t recall where. If you do that, I’d love to see it.
As far as aluminum corrosion goes, my understanding is that at the surface of the aluminum, aluminum oxide is produced as a white powder, which is what causes the paint to lift off the metal. I believe that after a considerable amount of time, that the aluminum would brake down even more, but for that to happen , other parts of the Jeep would be long gone. That’s just my understanding, I can’t site a source.
Cheers
We don’t see that in Texas. Is it just with the salt from roads?
Jason,
I'm not sure of its distribution or that salt is the cause. I believe there are other makes of automobiles with aluminum body panels in areas where there is salt on the roads, and they are not experiencing this problem. From what I've read it possibly is contamination on the aluminum before it gets painted.
This happens in Canada because your prime minister wants you only to have electric vehicles, so every night he pees on your hinges. This does not happen in the US because our guy is too old and only dribbles his pants.
Hey Idaho! 😳
Truth. 🤣
My 17 Ram and 18 JK have no issues.. glad I stayed away from the aluminum part models. and the galvanic reaction will eat the aluminum away just like a anode rod in your water tank.
Hey Robert,
Yep. Turns out you made a good move sticking with the JK.
Cheers
All vehicles rust in salt except Ford they are aluminum.
Thanks.
Totally agreed and I think all of the Wranglers are over-priced.
I share in my 100,000 miles review video how in most ways, it is a great vehicle.
But the corrosion issue is a flaw that most people can't overlook, if spending the type of cash they are asking.
standing behind their product
that's what they call it when they are standing in front of the dealership as you drive away after being told they can't help you
Hey TwoFeatherChannel,
Thanks for watching.
Cheers
Electrically isolate dissimilar metals and the galvanic action slows to an almost imperceptible level in the medium (atmosphere). Think of the rust/corrosion as an effect of the movement of electrons thru a metallic pathway. The less noble metal is shedding ions in the presence of a more noble metal. If you can control the electrical conductivity between them, you can stop the electron exchange. Nonmetallic hardware, phenolic washers, nylon sleeves...
So you don’t believe it’s bad quality metal and prep at the factory?
@@CheaperJeeperTV Carbon contamination is always a possibility, but I would look towards the barrier as the main culprit. You see, before the EPA stepped into a realm they knew nothing about and gutted our paint materials, claiming painting was a gross polluter, we had superior products to work with. The Zinc Chromate primers we used to use on aluminum were 700 grams/L in VOC's or more...that was just the end of the line for the climate cult, so now we use vastly inferior materials. In this electrical management issue of dissimilar metals, paint products of the past would have created a more impenetrable barrier and the electrolyte (moisture in the atmosphere) wouldn't be able to assist in the reaction. I would start by confirming there is no voltage drop between mechanical connections and then use more durable (pollution causing) paint materials.
I ordered a 2023 Wrangler Rubicon in August. Due to be delivered Nov. 7, 2023. I put a non refundable $1000 deposit down in good faith for a nice vehicle. What I’m finding out is that since I was never told about this issue, I have put down a $1000 deposit on a piece of junk. That is unless FCA has done something radical to rectify this issue. Do you know if any new assembly methods for the 2023 models? Since this is a widespread issue which is under a Class action lawsuit, a known issue since 2013 and an issue that was not revealed during the buying process, I will be insisting on the refund of my $1000. I don’t want to have to deal with this issue in the future so I will be walking away from this purchase. It’s disappointing because I have been wanting a Jeep for a long time.
Hey Ned,
I haven’t heard or seen any evidence that FCA has changed anything in the build process to avoid this issue in future vehicles. I absolutely understand your feelings of wanting your deposit refunded. Let me know how things pan out?
.Good luck.
That really blows!!! Jeep and Stellantis (Owner of Jeep since FCA sold it) may just chalk it up to the cost of doing business instead of resolving the root cause. This problem has been occurring for a few years now on the JL and should have been completely resolved in JL production year number 2!!! I'm so glad I ordered and bought my JK and didn't wait for the JL - it doesn't have any of these issues!!
Galvanic corrosion from steel and aluminum contact. What preschool level engineers at FCA gave this assembly the green light? I will never own a junk FCA product again. I'd rather drive a *gasp* Kia or Hyundai!
I share your frustration!!
It's not galvanic corrosion. There are places corroding that are nowhere near dissimilar metals. It's a factory process problem.
It’s my understanding that the JL’s are also having electrical issues. My son’s 2019 JL spent more time at the dealers with electrical issues than it did in his garage. He eventually sold the Jeep and bought a Tundra.
I’ve had to replace a thermostat $40 and gas cap $40 in my 2015 JK. The JK has less technology and therefore fewer maintenance issues. Wouldn’t trade my JK even for a JL.
I have read on the forums about the many electronic gremlins that people are experiencing. I had experienced a few on my 2018 JL, but my 2024 JL has been trouble free so far… Knock on wood. Good call on the Tundra!
Cheers.
@@CheaperJeeperTV Good to hear. I like the styling of the JL but wouldn’t buy one due to the corrosion and electrical issues. Has Jeep fixed the corrosion problem on the newer JL’s?
I believe, from what I’ve been reading online, that they have now installed zinc shims between the hinge and the door, in an effort to slow down the galvanic corrosion. I have not read or heard about anything else. Time will tell.
Thank you for bringing this up. I’ll have to keep my eyes on not only my 2022 but also my 2014
Hey Les,
Yes keep an eye on the 2022 for sure as this corrosion issue applies to JLs, your 2014 is a JK.
Cheers
Get a big body Bronco...😂lol I have a 2008 JK unlimited and my hinges are in the driveway waiting to be changed, they are ugly I haven't seen any as bad as mine on yt
Yeah but the JL issue is a corrosion issue which possibly affects all the body panels. Not just the hinges. 🤷🏻♂️
@CheaperJeeperTV that's what mine is, it's full corrosion, it bubbled up and the paint came off on all the driverside hinges. The passenger side isn't as bad but they are corroded none the less. So I'll be doing mine in the next few weeks.
I feel you. I have 2018 JL and it’s every where on my doors and hinges, and it’s getting worse. I took it in to the dealer, and I was out of warranty by months so they won’t cover it. So now I don’t know what to do as I’m sure it will be thousands to fix. It’s pretty unfair as Jeeps are expensive and my Jeep is mint aside from this stupid bubbling of the paint. I’m interested in the lawsuit to see where it goes. This should be a recall issue. It’s a manufacturing defect that just won’t go away.
Hello FarmhouseFelts,
I'm sorry to hear that you are experiencing the same issues. There are many people out there who are facing this same issue.
It will never be a recall, as it technically isn't a safety issue.
Some people who are beyond warranty have contacted FCA direct, and received "Good Will" repairs to their corrosion. You may want to try that. Many however have reported the corrosion simply returns again.
If I can try to help ease the frustration a little, corrosion will just make the paint bubble off, at least the panels will not disintegrate like what would happen with rust on steel panels.
You'll lose money now if you trade it in. If it's mint and looked after well, you could consider keeping and enjoying it, and later when you learn where and how a proper repair can be done, pursue that option?
As they say, "Misery Loves Company", and as such you may wish to learn more on this new Facebook group;
"Jeep JL Corrosion Warranty Information"
facebook.com/groups/975754000356535
Cheers
Might just be the video lighting but it seems to me your door repaint doesn’t match the body.
Some other people have shared the same observation. That unfortunately was the least of the issues. 🤷🏻♂️
My dream vehicle is Jeep Wrangler! I only got it 6months ago but broke down 3 times since I got it because of
over heat , second was December and after two weeks death wobble again I have extended warranty but the things that need to get fixed is not covered paid $3k out of my pocket for repairs now is it time to let it go?
PS it’s a Jeep wrangler 2014 has 96k Mileage when I got it.
Hey RoseMary,
That will have to be your decision. Everyone has a different threshold for different things.
My Jeep has this corrosion issue, and it doesn't bother some people, but for me, the prospect of continually dealing with flaking paint due to aluminum body panel corrosion was enough for me to sell and move on. I work too hard for my money to repeatedly throw it at a vehicle for repeated repairs, when it isn't necessary.
In your case you seem to have recurring mechanical issues, and for some people, they pay for repairs and endure the inconvenience because they are hooked to the vehicle, but others might move on to something more reliable, and also more affordable.
So...you have to decide, is there something about the Jeep you want so bad that you're prepared for possible more repair costs and inconvenience, or could there possibly be another, more reliable vehicle, that you might also still enjoy?
Should you decide to move on, at least the resale on the Jeep Wrangler is relatively higher than on other vehicles.
You can see what I ended up doing in this video...ruclips.net/video/Ts71M5ibA2U/видео.html
I hope this was helpful. Good luck with your decision.
Cheers
I've had my 2018 JL since May of 2018 and no corrosion whatsoever.
Hey NEO,
Count yourself very fortunate!
Also, it’s time to go buy a lottery ticket! 😄
I wonder if adding a rubber gasket in-between the door hinge and the body of the door would stop the 2 different metal electrolysis issue.. as mentioned before this is a issue I just learned about in home plumbing where 2 different metals are used and small pins hole occur over time and cause leaks. Many copper pipes are affixed to studs using steel clamps.. I had a few leaks happen and was told by many plumbers about this electrolysis issue occurring there as well.. 2 different metals can cause this.
Maybe that addresses the corrosion around the hinge, but it also occurs elsewhere on body panels nowhere near the steel bolts.
Whatever the reason, if FCA wont address this, given that the TSB addresses vehicles with aluminum panels since 2013, wary buyers may want to know when considering a purchase.
Cheers
I love how informative this channel is. You kindly breakdown everything nicely 👍🏼. PS I own a 2918 JL Sport but in white so it’s a little less noticeable but it’s there alright
Thank you for your feedback on the channel. I’m glad you find it informative. Feel free to share!😝
Sorry to hear you have the dreaded corrosion issue on your Jeep as well.
I’ve come to believe that only replacement of the offending body panels will fix the issue. My hinges were replaced and there was no further signs of continued corrosion. My doors were repaired/repainted twice and then the corrosion returned again. Now that I’m buying the parameters of the warranty, further repairs would be at my cost. It’s not a great place to be after buying such an expensive new vehicle. 🤷🏻♂️
I used to service and repair aluminum fuel trailers. This is the perfect example as to why our manufacturers don't paint the barrels. It allowed our wash team to acid bath the trailers and remove any surface corrosion after winter. I know it’s different on cars but damn this sucks. Hope my 22’ JT has been addressed on this issue.
Hey there BetweenThePines,
If you hear that they have done anything different, please share with us the link. Thanks
I would be more mad that the paint repairs aren’t color matched well!
Plus, the door was mounted crooked and they wouldn’t fix it. Very frustrating.
2021 gladiator Rubicon with 17k miles, garage kept like a damn princess and I just found rust on the hood. I am beyond livid
Absolutely! I’m reading online on Facebook groups that the only solution is to have the offending panels of contaminated metal replaced. Many share that the dealers had done this for them. As in my case, the hinges were replaced and the corrosion didn’t return. The other body panels were simply repaired/repainted two times and it returned for a third time. As my warranty ran out. I maintained that since I brought it in while under warranty, and since they hadn’t resolved the issue properly, that they needed to replace the offending panels. Unfortunately for me, they refused. I hope you have better luck.
called my dealership and said the paint was bubbling, said warranty didnt cover it because paint is cosmetic...
What your dealer is telling you is inaccurate. I can’t say it any more politely. You just have to read all the posts online from Jeep forums to know it’s a big issue. If you’re not interested in fighting with this dealer, I recommend taking your Jeep to a dealer prepared to properly service your Jeep.
Good luck.
I would open up a complaint with Jeep corporate and let them know what that dealership told you.
Will this also be a problem on the 23 and 24 JT ???
Yes, I believe so. On the 2024s, I believe that they have added zinc shims between the hinges and the doors, and this may slow down the process, perhaps?
That is my understanding from what I have read online.
Can anybody chime in that had the paint repaired, and it has held up long term?
Mine came back for the 3rd time. I believe the solution that works is to replace the contaminated part.
Let jeep no if they dont no they cant no people do let the jeep wrangler no what needs to be done
Yea they know.
Has the newer year models showing the same problems?
There is a Facebook group on the JL corrosion issue, and I believe I have read accounts on Jeeps as new as 2022. There is some mentioned about a zinc shim being applied under the hinges on 2024 models which would serve to Postpone the corrosion perhaps.
I have a 2021 Jeep Gladiator Mojave the metal in the rear bumper where the hooks come out is completely rusting out from last winter I haven't looked at it recently I figured I'm going to wait right before the warranty is up have them fix that also the door bolts that you take off to pull the doors off they're not black anymore they're turning white just awful
Hey Jamie,
That sounds like a good plan. In fact, I'd make sure in advance that the dealership understands and is agreeable with the plan and timing. You'd hate to have left it 'till then, and have problems with them honouring it.
Good luck.
I drove a 4 dr limo Sahara jl today for my job. What a joke of a vehicle! Just goofy and an absolute maller. These aren't even remotely a Jeep, not by any stretch of the imagination. If you have ever had any pre Wrangler or Wrangler from '41 - '06, you will understand what a Jeep is. It's very unfortunate what the name has become and since '07, it's in name ONLY.
People, if you're going to dole out $40k - $60k+, and going to cocoon yourself and your passengers with a hard top, just get a Grand Cherokee Overland. These are meant to have 4 doors and be luxury mobiles with all the fluff bells and whistles nonsense. The 4 dr heeps are absolutely horrible, fugly, super goofy, uncomfortable and they ride like shit.
Hey Jeep TJ Wheelin’,
Thanks for your input !
Cheers
Ride like shit?? Yeah you’re whole comment loss all credibility with that one
@@LuckyC555 I stand by it, maybe it was just this one in particular or perhaps it's ole Chrysler Fiat maintaining their great standards. 😎 Regardless Jeep died in '06. Enjoy your 4 dr techno heep.
@@JeepTJWheelin I love my 2022 Jeep, I still got my 72 K5 Blazer and that will will kick your old bucket Jeep ass all week long.
@@LuckyC555 🤣😂
I am in the uk..4 year old 2019 JL rubicon. Despite the warranty being 5 years, i am tild the paint warranty is only 3 years...the jeep has only done 15k miles, and has blisters on both doors, a wing, under hood and door hinges. Rear door and hinges are ok. My vehicle cost about $70k here...and still zero help from FCA/Stellantis.
Sorry to hear about your Jeep corrosion issue. Canada’s warranty for this is different from that in the US as well.
I brought mine in under warranty but it kept returning. It appears some people have actually had offending components replaced and it subsequently did not return. Once beyond the warranty FCA sent me packing. I sold my Jeep to get what I could get for it, but still at a loss as a result of the corrosion issue.
There are many any posts about this in Facebook groups and Jeep forums. Not to mention the class action lawsuit filed. I loved the Jeep but can’t put my hard earned money into another one until I learn that this issue has been resolved. Good luck.
Corrosion isn’t new to Jeep Wranglers. In face my CJ7 which I bought new in 1986 began rusting before it was four years old. So did my brothers CJ7. You’d expect Jeep would get it right. I’ve seen some corrosion on my JL,s hinges. Something’s never change.
The corrosion mentioned in the video focuses on the all aluminum body panels and the paint flaking/bubbling on them. I agree with you, you’d expect Jeep might have a handle on this, given the TSB addressing FCA vehicles with aluminum panels going back to 2015.
My 2018 JL was repaint two times for door and hood hinges in the first 3 year !!!! Not happy about this…….after all those years of fabricating the Jeep they shouldn’t have this issue in 2k !!!
It so basic…….they should know metal on aluminium will cause a reaction……..what kind of engineer/designer they have ???
Get rid off the hinges !!!
Sorry to hear about your experiences with the corrosion issue.
Chrysler Fiat Steletica, what ever, they keep merging and making crap! Other's coat brake lines and have great rust prevention on their products as the cars/vehicle prices have skyrocketed. I had a Ram with corrosion filled bumpers, brake lines, doors, wheel wells (after a few years) and waxed and washed regularly .... Terrible! They took all the protection away from the products and it shows. I will not buy another product of theirs ... ever! Cheaply made / but expensive crap!
Hey Ram14250,
Sorry to hear about your experience.
Damn. I own a 22 Gladiator hopefully it doesn’t go through this shit. This is definitely a prep problem IMO. Ford had an issue on the earlier S197 mustangs (I own one)…Hoods would bubble and the only way to fix it is to strip it and repaint. I had mine repainted over 10 years ago and it’s still mint. They probably need to use an epoxy primer. No one in this day and age should have to deal with this, lessons have been learned over the years and paint technology exists to avoid this problem.
I agree with you 110%!!!
Cheers!
I have a Jeep JL 2018. I noticed the same spot had the paint bubblling up. I went to the dealerswhip. They said I had 4 months left on the corrosion warranty. I was also told that since I reported it I was covered. Thing is there were 95 jeeps ahead of me, They said every month they send two jeeps in for repaIRS. I won't get mine fixed until mid 2024. Hopefully it will only be one time.
So many people experiencing this issue. Such a shame. I hope it works out for you.
Cheers.
My US driven Canuck built 2020 JL had blistering on the edge of the hood in 2021. Dealer ordered a new hood and farmed it out to be painted. They mismatched the paint and we are still arguing about the paint. Color is Punk'n.
They didn’t switch out my corroded components and it just kept coming back after each repair. Once I was out of warranty, I was in my own with regards to subsequent repairs.
So…I sold the Jeep. 🤷🏻♂️
I gave up😀. You should look up for the China copy cat wrangler on RUclips which I found it very sleek looing. If the Federal government allows them to be imported which will give Jeep a good wake up call.
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Thank you for providing sources. You rock!
Hey Nate,
You are welcome
Cheers
Found some corrosion on my 2021 Rubicon, all of it involved the hinges! I took it to the stealership and they are looking in to it, its been two weeks and no contact from them. Very disappointed in FCA.
I feel your pain.
I bought a 2021 gladiator and on the hood there are 2 spots that are blistering up. 33000 miles. Was told by dealership to get an estimate from the body shop that they use. Had to go back twice.This has been going on for 2 months now and the factory warranty is coming up to the end. The dealership has done what it’s supposed to do,the company isn’t doing what they promised to do.
I feel your pain. Apparently I read online that there is a proper way to repair these things so that it doesn’t return. I’m not sure though.
I have to do a little more research in that maybe make another video on the proper way to repair it given that so many are complaining about it returning.
JEEP and RUST are like Ying and Yang. Always been a thing. I had CJ's and TJ's that you could see the street through the floor.
Yes but this corrosion issue is a little different. Cheers.
My 2019 Moab has the same on the hood hinge. Wtf
I understand your frustration and disappointment.
thanks for the vid. i had both my doors and hood replaced last summer from the corrosion on the hinges and along the bottom/leading edges, hopefully it wont happen again. the bodyshop shop said they pre-painted the doors/hood before mounting the hinges and think that will help
I hope it works out. Mine kept returning 3x before they wouldn’t repair it again under warranty. Good luck.
Thanks for the video. I was planning to order the 2025 model later on this year when it becomes available to order online. But this Corrosion issue really bothers me, I have been on many forums and it seems there is no real solution for it! 😥
Yeah, I hear you. I'm still a Jeep fan, but the corrosion issue is a real pain for sure. The options from Toyota would be my next go-to consideration.
Lost for words mine is going in for third paint job,2018 jl mojito,if it happens again I will get them to paint again ,I will never buy a dodge or jeep product ever again especially not in pembroke Ontario
Hey Mario,
I hear ‘ya!
Guess I’ll have to hang onto my jk.
Nothing wrong with that at all. Cheers.
My 2019 Jeep Wrangler JL has corrosion on the hood the doors the hinges the back door it just never ends and it's in the shop right now been waiting for several months to get it in they told me it could take a month to a month and a half to fix it but they did provide me with the rental car Jeep is paying for that and Jeep is also paying for everything that needs fixed thank God
Wow. Hopefully they do a nice job. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers.
Corrosion IS rust. If you want to get technical aluminum corrodes, but it is a similar effect as rusting steel. Don't downplay it as not a big deal.
Yes they both are forms of oxidation.
Cheers.
Oh, as I typed my last note I was listening, if there’s rust it will get much worse and finally you can see sunlight through your doors etc.
Rust is Rust! It’s like a Labrador…it just keeps eating !
Just to be clear, I believe that on the steel panels, the oxidation is referred to as rust, and the metal disintegrates, and perforation occurs relatively quickly. On aluminum panels, the oxidation is referred to as oxidation, and aluminum oxide appears on the surface of the metal, lifting the paint off the metal. The Jeep is not likely to still be on the road by the time the aluminum panels would ever perforate from the oxidation process.
Just looked at a 2021 rubicon wrangler and it had it everywhere hinges, doors, hood etc. Seems to be a bigger problem than they let on. It sucks, i like the wrangler but might have to go with the bronco
Hey Wilson,
Yep, it is a way bigger issue than they are letting on. It's a shame that not many other people out there are sharing this important information. Mind you, make sure you find out about any issues that the Bronco may have to determine what you can live with. I'd suggest possibly considering the 4Runner as well. I'd be curious to learn which way you go after you've done your research.
Cheers.