So what does a 'Balance lead/tap' do anyway?!

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  • @paulg5437
    @paulg5437 3 года назад +14

    Most chargers can also 'suck' power out via the balance leads which is why you often see the cells dancing around between 4.18-4.20 volts as it tries to get all cells to the magical 4.20. And its also why the last bit of the charge cycle takes forever!

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  3 года назад +10

      One of the biggest things that will make the balance part of the charge take a long time is actually the balance pins on the charger being worn and pitted.
      The higher resistance of that balance connection coupled with the current flowing to try and balance causes a voltage at that connection that throws off the reading for the charger. Replacing the pins fixes it.

    • @oropeza190
      @oropeza190 Год назад

      420v brah

  • @Utube2Itube
    @Utube2Itube 3 года назад +6

    Usually the balancing is done by discharging individual cells (the ones with highest voltage) over resistors through the balance tap, while simultaneously charging the pack through the main connector. It happens simultaneously not sequentially. This is called passive balancing and is the absolutely most common way of doing it as the circuit is simple and cheap. The more advanced way of doing it is to redistribute the voltages within the pack by letting the cells of higher voltage charge up the lower voltage cells. That’s called active balancing but is very rarely used in product designs as far as I know.

  • @errc2610
    @errc2610 3 года назад +3

    Not a lot of people know this about lipos. Good video mate! Cheers! 👍👌

  • @jimross898
    @jimross898 3 года назад +3

    I knew it balance charged my battery but didn't know how. Sending voltage down the balance leads to tidy things up. That's how. Thanks!

  • @mtyler2469
    @mtyler2469 3 года назад +2

    The good chargers keep the voltage going through the main lead and drain individual cells through the balance lead. That's why when buying a charger you should look at the amps each balance pin can discharge up to. A good charger can drain .5 amps per cell, that will also speed up your charging compared to a charger that can only do .2 amps per cell or 1 amp for the whole battery. Just use those little hair braid rubber bands to hold your balance plug down to the battery and you'll quit chopping them up with your props.

  • @CPB24421
    @CPB24421 Год назад

    Beautifully understandable explanation.. you should be a teacher. Cheers for the vid

  • @pksteffen
    @pksteffen 3 года назад

    Great job explaining it.

  • @alvandergoot7237
    @alvandergoot7237 3 года назад

    Great video Lee. I wanted to connect 2 3s packs in series and use the balance connect on one pak to power a internal BEC on a older Maxcim sensored speed controler, but I dont think 1 amp is enough to power 4 full size servos. Good to know thanks.

  • @ilo990
    @ilo990 Год назад +1

    So i have one big problem i have a charger that has only balance connector(i can connect the lipo to the charger only with that little wires on the side) and that charger is ,,dumb,, it can't balance the cells so is there a way to do it manually? For example I have a 2s lipo which has 3 little wires connected to balance connector and ,,dumb,, charger that has 3 pins which this balance connector connects to. Here is my idea: can I connect only 2 pins of the charger to the 2 pins on the lipo? That way i can charge individual cells manually and balance them that way i hope you get what im saying have a good day.

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  Год назад

      I'd upgrade the charger. Sounds like one that you'd get with a kit that has very limited functionality. A decent charger is an investment and will last you a long time and make sure your batteries do too.. Best of luck!

  • @biggerchris20
    @biggerchris20 Год назад

    Love the information, learned a lot, thanks 👍

  • @NATGEOANDSTUFFPaulbrannan
    @NATGEOANDSTUFFPaulbrannan 3 года назад

    Great as always buddy.thankyou

  • @sleepingbearffg5008
    @sleepingbearffg5008 3 года назад

    They fail! Lol quad's seem to Always mess. Even if remember to wrap up. Lol great video

  • @TailSpinRCSpain
    @TailSpinRCSpain 3 года назад

    Great tutorial.

  • @witneydiggersrc3251
    @witneydiggersrc3251 3 года назад

    Thank you. 👍

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 3 года назад

    Fantastic video, Lee! Thanks a lot! 😃
    This knowledge is pretty important! Even more when you make your own packs (out of 18650 cells, for example).
    Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @hawkkim1974
    @hawkkim1974 Год назад

    very good!

  • @thevintagehifiambassador8524
    @thevintagehifiambassador8524 Год назад

    Great video,my Lipomat 4 plus vom JR (Graupner) only has 1 A max charging current, is it possible to charge my batteries by ONLY plugging in the balanced cable in the right balanced socket of the Lipomat 4 plus ? As the charger has no other inpur socket. Kind regards.

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  Год назад +1

      Possibly. Some cheaper, low power chargers are designed to work that way. I'd consider investing in a quality charger I'd you get into the hobby... Best of luck

    • @thevintagehifiambassador8524
      @thevintagehifiambassador8524 Год назад

      thanks, yes I want a display to show me what happens in each cell, I bought mine around 2006 before I stopped for 17 years with RC and now I’m into it again :-)

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  Год назад +1

      It may be worth investing in a more modern charger.. Best of luck!

    • @thevintagehifiambassador8524
      @thevintagehifiambassador8524 Год назад

      Ok so like Abba did sing: I’ll do I’ll do I do. :-)

  • @snik2pl
    @snik2pl 3 года назад

    Chargers shunt charged cells to bypas them during charging so they don't go over 4.20. You dont get charge over ballance leads

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for the comment. Not all chargers work the same. Why do you think that some chargers list the balance current? i.e. 'Balancing Current: 1A/cell * 2'

  • @brightontilifly
    @brightontilifly 3 года назад +1

    I call it a balance lead I think a good few people do too. Is tap the proper name? am I wrong?

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  3 года назад

      www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54125
      Maybe it's an old school term ;) happy flying!

    • @kenrobba5831
      @kenrobba5831 3 года назад

      Tap if you’re a Brit or Aussie ; lead if a yank, Yank.

    • @brightontilifly
      @brightontilifly 3 года назад

      @@kenrobba5831 I’m a Brit

  • @audiogek
    @audiogek 3 года назад

    Please tell me that Acehe lipo is an old one. I've been looking for those but can't find them anywhere. Bought them 4 years ago, really liked them but when I wanted to buy more I couldn't find them no more.

  • @Adam-ci1qb
    @Adam-ci1qb Год назад

    Just recently brought my self a rc car came with a 2s 1500mah 7.4v battery but did not come with a balance charger , came with a usb KX7V4-200 charger . How do I go about putting it in storage mode , would I charge for half the time I would of a full charge? . I am a beginner at this and I am a little lost . Would it be a good idea to go out and buy a a basic balance charger or one with the storage feature ?

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  Год назад

      Of you are serious about the hobby then invest in a decent little charger. The chargers included in kits are usually very slow, cheap and not great... Best of luck

  • @cbfadiohamfan
    @cbfadiohamfan 14 дней назад

    😎ThankQ🎉kindly 😎

  • @jamaljinin569
    @jamaljinin569 2 года назад

    Noob question..what would happen if i connect just the balance tap to a charger? If it charges, is it safe?

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  2 года назад

      Most chargers won't let you charge that way. You could charge a pack using just the balance tap but you'd have to use much lower currents... Happy flying

  • @chrisbee5481
    @chrisbee5481 3 года назад

    I have 2S lipos without any xt30 connesctor. It only has the XH2.5 balance plug and runs directy off it. Internally it is a 2S , so the heli omphobby m1 in my case runs off pin 1 and 3. How does the xh pin compare to xt30 or ph2?

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  3 года назад +1

      Huge difference in terms of current carrying capacity for the main power connectors used in the hobby. That XH2.5 is rated for a around 3 amps. The XT30 is rated for 30 amps, the PH2 is 2 amps.

    • @chrisbee5481
      @chrisbee5481 3 года назад

      @@Painless360 3A is still better than 2A rating on the PH2 plug most whoops are delivered with. XH2.5 plugs easier too. I might try the XH2.5 plug for my Crux3 and UZ85 with my original Omphobby M1 batteries. They are so light and perform well on the M1. The 3A rating shurely will do 5A burst for these crazybeeX 5A AIO ESC board

  • @massimoborghini9724
    @massimoborghini9724 3 года назад

    I knew that correct current charging was 1/10 of nominal A of a battery so 650mah should be correctly charged at 65mah for about 10 h and it last for a long time and fly...isn't it?

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  3 года назад +1

      No, check out the linked video. You charge using amps and milliamps not mAh... Best of luck

  • @musaauduadamu1191
    @musaauduadamu1191 3 года назад

    Can I charge Lipo batteries while on load?

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  3 года назад

      I've never tried. Be careful with Lipo batteries.... Happy flying

  • @jayward7536
    @jayward7536 3 года назад

    Why cant we have the spektrum g2 style batts that dont use balance leads

    • @Painless360
      @Painless360  3 года назад

      I don't understand the question...

    • @theoztreecrasher2647
      @theoztreecrasher2647 3 года назад +1

      The Spectrum batteries have internal circuit boards for monitoring and controlling battery cell voltage in each individual battery. Normal batteries use the single monitoring and controlling circuits in the charger. Might be a contributing factor for why Spectrum ones are so expensive? 😁

  • @cliffandrews
    @cliffandrews 3 года назад

    I don't know what they do, I cut mine off.

  • @sirBumpyCase
    @sirBumpyCase 3 года назад

    It helps you balance your tabs obviously