Oh yeah! I've been waiting for this PoV for years!!! Thank you, sir! Scenery plus driver controls is amazing! Also thank you fore the detailed explanations of the driving process!
Love from Romania! Here we have the same model of locomotive only it's classified as "Class 43" and nicknamed "Bobica". For those who are wondering that "steering wheel" is the tap charger controller. However, it is a bit unusual so lemme draw you a diagram of what every position does. NOTE: Keep in mind that the ones we have in Romania can be a bit different depending on the upgrade packages applied to it. In general they work the same but every position i think to be only in Romania i will mark it with *Probably* FW3 - Field Weakening stage III *Probably* FW2 - Field Weakening stage II *Probably* FW1 - Field Weakening stage I (It weakens the back emf generated by the rotor thus the motor is allowed to receive more current thus more acceleration at high speeds) *Probably* A - Advance (Increases the tap charger level up to 40)(The tap charger goes from 0 to 40. As the tap charger level increases the curent passes through less and less resistors) H - Hold (Holds the tap charger at the curent level) 3 - Sets the tap charger to level 5 2 - Sets the tap charger to level 3 1 - Sets the tap charger to level 1 (usually the tap charger is already to 1 which means it just closes the traction contactors) 0 - Disengage the traction or breaking contactors/Idle D - Debreaking (Decreases the electric breaking force/engages the breaking contactors. Tap charger at level 1) *Probably* H - Hold (Holds the tap charger at the curent level) *Probably* B - Breaking (Increases the tap charger level up to 40)(Yes. it still uses the tap charger but it uses the traction motors as generators and disipates the energy across resistor thus breaking the train using the traction motors. Only efective at speeds above 35-40 km/h) *Probably* EDIT: After having a discusion with @CFRTrainSpotter i think i was a bit in the wrong here. I was sure i was on a Bobica having all these positions on the controller but now i am quite unsure, that was when i was like 7. Everything that is marked with *Probably* may not be present on Bobica. So it may be just acceleration with no Field Weakening or Electrodynamic breaking. that's it. due to the design similarities and lack of memory i kinda took the LE 5100 or Class 40-42 as an example which had all these. I apologize for any misunderstanding. Any nfo on this that you could have feel free to share it in the replies. Stay safe!
eu nu țin minte ca Bobicele să aibe slăbire de câmp, doar LE 5100-le... nici frână electrodinamică nu cred că au (la fel cum și unele JŽ 441, anumite sublcase au frânare electrodinamică, iar celelalte nu au).
Awisome trip! Subtitles are easy to read! Thanks! [Russian]Спасибо за увлекательную поездку! Объяснения все очень интересны! Вроде бы ничего сложного, но мастерство тут просто необходимо!
Svaka cast Dule..obozavam vozove...kad sam upisivao srednju skolu hteo sam da uisem "Zeleznicku" ali bilo vreme sankcija i nije bilo mogucnosti...ali satisfkciju sam nasao u igrama sa vozovim..prvo "Traim Simulator" a sad trenutno igram "Train Sim World 4" i u toj igri postoji i ova lokomotiva..doduse Nemacka modernizovana..i sve izgleda ovako kao u pravoj lokomotivi..
Love the sway of the cab. That could rock me to sleep. Very relaxing to watch sitting here at home.......probably not so much when you're the engineer.
Bellissimo video che ci fa' capire il difficile e impegnativo mestiere del macchinista sulle linee ex jugoslave senza i nostri sistemi di supporto alla guida . Bravissimo dulevoz, però... Quanti scossoni!!😉👍
In Portugal there was a series of electric locomotives, the 2500 series, which also danced a lot and had the nickname "the dancers". It has to do with the suspension, the height of the wheels and the locomotive, it was very common in older locomotives. Of course, the condition of the road also has a lot of influence, especially when there are many curves...
Its very nice to see what looks like the original dashboard on this locomotive. I tought all JŽ 441 locomotives had a different dashboard and instrument panel (similar to the SJ Rc locomotive, except the throttle), but it seems thats only the case for later versions of the locomotive. This i believe is an early JŽ 441 locomotive made by SGP under ASEA licence in ~1967-1969, and therefore has the same dashboard and instrument panel as the SJ Rb which it was based on. LATER EDIT: 441-114 was made by Rade Koncar in 1974, not by SGP. Also one of the gauges (i think its the ammeter) looks like it was made by AEM (i think it was called) of Timișoara in Romania. At least looking from its design.
Excellent view of cab operations. Been waiting to see something like this for years. Thanks for showing us how its done... Awesome. Was wondering, when you power off for the neutral sections of track, how do you know that section is there. Didn't see any signage telling you about that neutral section start or end... Do you just know where these sections are? Great vid, THANKS AGAIN!!!
You have blue square at 12:07 (on the right side of the track), for preparation, and there should be another two like this later, to turn off, and turn back on again, at the very spot, but lightning was bad. Actually, at 12:23 you can see the turn on, on the right side, but also, for the opposite direction you can see the back of turn off sign on the left side at 12:22.
Thank you for this video! First time I heard of Srpska. The countries of the former Yugoslavia and the Balkans seem quite complicated for my understanding. They had been through very difficult times during the war there.
@@tzadik36 Republika Srpska isnt an independent country per se, its the autonomous Serbian part of Bosnia and Herzegovina (tho it was independent albeit unrecognised from 1991 to 1996). Hence why it has its own separate railway company. Theres also ŽFBH for the rest of Bosnia and Herzegovina but IMO having two separate companies is pretty pointless.
There is no steering involved with train driving since the track is the steering mechanism All you do with a train is accelerate or brake the train You have two brake handles on is for braking the locomotive when it is travelling alone without wagons or carriges the other is when running with a train of one or more wagons or carriages In most of europe they used a steering wheel in most other countries they use a handle
C'est super avec les explications en sous-titré ! Ces locomotives électriques ont l'air très solides. Vous dites que de la gare de Doboj était un carrefour ferroviaire très important du temps de la Yougoslavie. J'ai lu qui existait un train Split-Belgrade qui passait par la ligne (aujourd'hui fermée) de Bihac à Knin. Savez vous si ce train passait par Doboj ou s'il passait plutôt par la Croatie (Slavonski Brod) ? Merci.
the Split-Belgrade train (i think it was called the "Dioklecijan") ran via Slavonski Brod-Novska-(Bosanski) Novigrad-Bihac-Knin, using a (now unusued) link just east of Sunja on the Zagreb-Sisak-Novska line, at least according to the 1977/78 timetable. i think it was the same in the years till its demise, but i cannot confirm for sure.
I noticed improper handling of the locomotive when approaching the train. The approach is made in the first position of the voltage selector and speed regulation using the FD-1 brake.
As a train driver, I ask myself why he never uses the electrodynamic brake of the locomotive? With only two light carriages, this would have been much more economic due to recuperation, and also more comfortable… 🤔
I’m not totally up to par on that part of my work, but since this is a really old loco, I think it has DC engines, and those never really have ED braking I don’t think..
As CFRTrainSpotter said, this specific subseries doesen't have ED. 441-400 (for Croatian case 1141-100) and I think 441-300 or 441-500 have ED, I can't remember right now.
Hey, this is bad eastern technology. Depends a lot on the cars. This is experienced driver (see his hands). Also, the video perspective is different than the perspective in real life, so you cannot judge the distance realistically on video.
Well, I just took a look at the braking which starts at 17:40. He did it correctly. See the second instrument from the left, he took it to "2". Of course, you always brake just a little bit more, so that you have a buffer, you are not a machine, you are just a human, so he released it a bit before the end, and then did brake a bit more to stop. Because he released it, he lost a bit of breaking force, so the braking after that was softer than the instrument shows. Maybe not perfect, but alright. Train drivers are not Michael Schumachers, if they would be, then their wage would be much, much higher.
@@MarioPetrinovich This is not bad eastern technology, it's a Swiss made Oerlikon FV4 and before you get too ahead of yourself, you should know that I have these things in my hand almost every day and I certainly know what I'm talking about. Releasing and applying the brakes like a nervous child is wrong usage of brakes and could lead to a total brake loss. He has zero feel of the train, is bad at judging speed and distance and stops like a maniac. See for example at 5:25, even Dusan noted that he applied throttle and it shouldn't be done.
@@eMMjunaYschion I am retired train driver from Croatia, and I was working at exactly this locomotive. I told you, it depends on cars. Secondly, you can release brakes, after three releases you will lose the air. Thirdly, of course you will be stiff if somebody watches you, you wouldn't want to fiddle too much, live. The way you are describing your braking, you would have harder time to be precise when you stop. Here, on Balkans, our platforms are the shortest they can be, we have to approach easily so that we don't overrun, and we also mustn't be too short, because platform is short, so we are used to brake like this. Plus, this is Oerlikon which didn't see lubricant for a long time (this is normal for Balkans).
@@ieroglifugresha Yugoslav slang. Literal translation is: How man JERKS controller (selector), it is criminal. In English, it should be: How much operator strums the controller, it should be illegal.
its based on the SJ Rb-class built during the 1960s. These specific trains shown in the video were first built by ASEA for the Yugoslav railways in 1968, so yeah, they are *OLD* compared to most trains in service around the world.
@@funnel_fish actually it was built in Zagreb in 1974, in my comment i originally erronously wrote that it was built in the late 1960s but i checked a list and its not the case...
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Oh yeah! I've been waiting for this PoV for years!!! Thank you, sir! Scenery plus driver controls is amazing!
Also thank you fore the detailed explanations of the driving process!
To keep that train on those narrow tracks with just that tiny steering wheel... You know he's good!
The wheel is nothing to do with steering, it's the power handle.
@@peterbrackenbury Just being silly, thank you for the info you provided
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There must be some sort of power steering i think
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Just wonderful! One of my childhood dreams was to drive an engine! Great video!! ANd the explanations in the description box are "chef's kiss"!
Love from Romania! Here we have the same model of locomotive only it's classified as "Class 43" and nicknamed "Bobica". For those who are wondering that "steering wheel" is the tap charger controller. However, it is a bit unusual so lemme draw you a diagram of what every position does. NOTE: Keep in mind that the ones we have in Romania can be a bit different depending on the upgrade packages applied to it. In general they work the same but every position i think to be only in Romania i will mark it with *Probably*
FW3 - Field Weakening stage III *Probably*
FW2 - Field Weakening stage II *Probably*
FW1 - Field Weakening stage I (It weakens the back emf generated by the rotor thus the motor is allowed to receive more current thus more acceleration at high speeds) *Probably*
A - Advance (Increases the tap charger level up to 40)(The tap charger goes from 0 to 40. As the tap charger level increases the curent passes through less and less resistors)
H - Hold (Holds the tap charger at the curent level)
3 - Sets the tap charger to level 5
2 - Sets the tap charger to level 3
1 - Sets the tap charger to level 1 (usually the tap charger is already to 1 which means it just closes the traction contactors)
0 - Disengage the traction or breaking contactors/Idle
D - Debreaking (Decreases the electric breaking force/engages the breaking contactors. Tap charger at level 1) *Probably*
H - Hold (Holds the tap charger at the curent level) *Probably*
B - Breaking (Increases the tap charger level up to 40)(Yes. it still uses the tap charger but it uses the traction motors as generators and disipates the energy across resistor thus breaking the train using the traction motors. Only efective at speeds above 35-40 km/h) *Probably*
EDIT: After having a discusion with @CFRTrainSpotter i think i was a bit in the wrong here. I was sure i was on a Bobica having all these positions on the controller but now i am quite unsure, that was when i was like 7. Everything that is marked with *Probably* may not be present on Bobica. So it may be just acceleration with no Field Weakening or Electrodynamic breaking. that's it. due to the design similarities and lack of memory i kinda took the LE 5100 or Class 40-42 as an example which had all these. I apologize for any misunderstanding. Any nfo on this that you could have feel free to share it in the replies. Stay safe!
eu nu țin minte ca Bobicele să aibe slăbire de câmp, doar LE 5100-le... nici frână electrodinamică nu cred că au (la fel cum și unele JŽ 441, anumite sublcase au frânare electrodinamică, iar celelalte nu au).
@@CFRTrainSpotter posibil. ultima data cand am fost pe o bobica eram foarte mic. in orice caz imi cer iertare de geseala. corectez comentariu acuma
Tap-changer or Tap-charger??
Awisome trip! Subtitles are easy to read! Thanks!
[Russian]Спасибо за увлекательную поездку! Объяснения все очень интересны! Вроде бы ничего сложного, но мастерство тут просто необходимо!
Svaka cast Dule..obozavam vozove...kad sam upisivao srednju skolu hteo sam da uisem "Zeleznicku" ali bilo vreme sankcija i nije bilo mogucnosti...ali satisfkciju sam nasao u igrama sa vozovim..prvo "Traim Simulator" a sad trenutno igram "Train Sim World 4" i u toj igri postoji i ova lokomotiva..doduse Nemacka modernizovana..i sve izgleda ovako kao u pravoj lokomotivi..
Fantazija! Hvala puno!
I like riding trains and now it's as if I'm joining you running this train and I really enjoy it, thank you
Svaka cast za snimak. Izabrani najbolji uglovi za snimanje.Pozdrav!
Odlično snimljeno! Dobra stara 441 👍
Love the sway of the cab. That could rock me to sleep. Very relaxing to watch sitting here at home.......probably not so much when you're the engineer.
Bellissimo video che ci fa' capire il difficile e impegnativo mestiere del macchinista sulle linee ex jugoslave senza i nostri sistemi di supporto alla guida . Bravissimo dulevoz, però... Quanti scossoni!!😉👍
Bisogna avere degli attributi come si deve per guidare un treno su quelle linee!
Gli scossoni fanno parte del fascino della vera Ferrovia...
In Portugal there was a series of electric locomotives, the 2500 series, which also danced a lot and had the nickname "the dancers".
It has to do with the suspension, the height of the wheels and the locomotive, it was very common in older locomotives.
Of course, the condition of the road also has a lot of influence, especially when there are many curves...
My first time watching your videos, Dulevoz... Excellent camera work and selection of segments!
Great video, beautiful cabview driving. Congrats!
hi from england, great video,lovely loco,great scenery
Prelepo, nedostaje mi vožnja klasičnih lokomotiva...
A very interessting Video, thanks ,thanks!
Great video friend, greetings from Brazil.
Great video. thanks for sharing
Congratulations...your videos inspire us a lot....congratulations....a thousand to all...💖
Wow what acceleration for and old engine ! Good video
I have still ridden ancient electric locomotives with traction resistors about 15years ago in the Belgian railroad company NMBS/SNCB.
A detailed explanation. I also came to know many of the controls which I used to observe but did not know their funaction.
Its very nice to see what looks like the original dashboard on this locomotive. I tought all JŽ 441 locomotives had a different dashboard and instrument panel (similar to the SJ Rc locomotive, except the throttle), but it seems thats only the case for later versions of the locomotive. This i believe is an early JŽ 441 locomotive made by SGP under ASEA licence in ~1967-1969, and therefore has the same dashboard and instrument panel as the SJ Rb which it was based on. LATER EDIT: 441-114 was made by Rade Koncar in 1974, not by SGP.
Also one of the gauges (i think its the ammeter) looks like it was made by AEM (i think it was called) of Timișoara in Romania. At least looking from its design.
AEM,da!
The ex Yu versions got their instruments panels changed by Končar and Gredelj. In Croatia theres only one with the original.
The interior looks very good !
Anybody know what the steering wheel is for?
It's a throttle
I really enjoy the train cab views from the window looking out at
the beautiful countryside and this is really awesome thanks.🚂🚃🇺🇲
👍👍 Thanks or the ride along.
Excellent view of cab operations. Been waiting to see something like this for years. Thanks for showing us how its done... Awesome. Was wondering, when you power off for the neutral sections of track, how do you know that section is there. Didn't see any signage telling you about that neutral section start or end... Do you just know where these sections are? Great vid, THANKS AGAIN!!!
You have blue square at 12:07 (on the right side of the track), for preparation, and there should be another two like this later, to turn off, and turn back on again, at the very spot, but lightning was bad. Actually, at 12:23 you can see the turn on, on the right side, but also, for the opposite direction you can see the back of turn off sign on the left side at 12:22.
Ah, you also have the beck of "preparation" sign for the opposite direction at 12:31, on the left side.
Oh, you can see more clearly at 28:52 (the "preparation" sign), at 29:11 (the "off" sign), and at 29:16 (the "on" sign, among the leaves, :) ).
Nice video 👍🏻 😊
Nice driving Mister Vujovic!
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Nice video :)
Nice video, LIKE !!!
Thank you for this video!
First time I heard of Srpska. The countries of the former Yugoslavia and the Balkans seem quite complicated for my understanding. They had been through very difficult times during the war there.
@@tzadik36 Republika Srpska isnt an independent country per se, its the autonomous Serbian part of Bosnia and Herzegovina (tho it was independent albeit unrecognised from 1991 to 1996). Hence why it has its own separate railway company. Theres also ŽFBH for the rest of Bosnia and Herzegovina but IMO having two separate companies is pretty pointless.
Congratulations to the driver, he managed to keep the speed within the imposed limits.
Compliments.
Thanks!
Brilliant! I'm always frustrated when so called 'cab rides' don't feature the actual cab and controls.
Good to see Tap Changer and Tap sounds etc. similar to that of Indian Railways...
There is no steering involved with train driving since the track is the steering mechanism
All you do with a train is accelerate or brake the train
You have two brake handles on is for braking the locomotive when it is travelling alone without wagons or carriges the other is when running with a train of one or more wagons or carriages
In most of europe they used a steering wheel in most other countries they use a handle
Majstore, nemoj kameru samo ravno, daj malo i ljevo, desno. Od Borovnice dalje ima prekrasan pogled na Ljubljanu. Inače svaka čast! 🙂
Beautiful machine
Happy to see the oerlikon FV4a train brake valve like in the italian trains. I suppose that this loco have rheostatic modulation for dc motors
C'est super avec les explications en sous-titré ! Ces locomotives électriques ont l'air très solides. Vous dites que de la gare de Doboj était un carrefour ferroviaire très important du temps de la Yougoslavie. J'ai lu qui existait un train Split-Belgrade qui passait par la ligne (aujourd'hui fermée) de Bihac à Knin. Savez vous si ce train passait par Doboj ou s'il passait plutôt par la Croatie (Slavonski Brod) ? Merci.
the Split-Belgrade train (i think it was called the "Dioklecijan") ran via Slavonski Brod-Novska-(Bosanski) Novigrad-Bihac-Knin, using a (now unusued) link just east of Sunja on the Zagreb-Sisak-Novska line, at least according to the 1977/78 timetable. i think it was the same in the years till its demise, but i cannot confirm for sure.
Nice video
That's the thing I like about electric engines is the traction motor whine as it speeds up
Nice!
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Одличан видео.Ако можете, снимите поглед из возачке кабине на деоници Пожаревац - Мајданпек - Зајечар.
Поздрав.
What is that wheel for?
...very interesting...top
What a difference in controls from the trains I work on. Ours are far easier to control but your will far outlast ours.
Interesting to see him get his mobile phone out. In the UK. mobile phones have to be switched off and out of reach while driving.
I noticed improper handling of the locomotive when approaching the train. The approach is made in the first position of the voltage selector and speed regulation using the FD-1 brake.
Kya train 🚆 bhi steering hoti hai 🤔 kya
This reminds me of Romania!
Boa tarde 🌻🌞🙏Dulev 13:39//11/9/Jaú SP Brasil 🙏🙏
As a train driver, I ask myself why he never uses the electrodynamic brake of the locomotive? With only two light carriages, this would have been much more economic due to recuperation, and also more comfortable… 🤔
This subseries of locomotive doesnt have one, although others do.
I’m not totally up to par on that part of my work, but since this is a really old loco, I think it has DC engines, and those never really have ED braking I don’t think..
@@i.m.385 they do, its just only certain members have ED brakes.
@@CFRTrainSpotter aha, well we don’t have any DC trains anymore that have ED
As CFRTrainSpotter said, this specific subseries doesen't have ED. 441-400 (for Croatian case 1141-100) and I think 441-300 or 441-500 have ED, I can't remember right now.
Bhai aap train ko kaise chala Leto ho
Gostei muito.
That train would be doing 100 klm/hr not 70 klm/hr since 70klm/hr is only around 40 mph/hr
Converstion is 1.61 klm to a mile
laki laki selalu ingin tahu bagaimana dunia bekerja
Ok so for people like me that is stupid as fugg, what does the steering wheel do? in an simple explanation
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The video is fantastic, but this guy has zero clue about how brakes work and how to use them. It's a shame.
Hey, this is bad eastern technology. Depends a lot on the cars. This is experienced driver (see his hands). Also, the video perspective is different than the perspective in real life, so you cannot judge the distance realistically on video.
Well, I just took a look at the braking which starts at 17:40. He did it correctly. See the second instrument from the left, he took it to "2". Of course, you always brake just a little bit more, so that you have a buffer, you are not a machine, you are just a human, so he released it a bit before the end, and then did brake a bit more to stop. Because he released it, he lost a bit of breaking force, so the braking after that was softer than the instrument shows. Maybe not perfect, but alright. Train drivers are not Michael Schumachers, if they would be, then their wage would be much, much higher.
BTW, if you are from USA, in Europe we have different system than what you have.
@@MarioPetrinovich This is not bad eastern technology, it's a Swiss made Oerlikon FV4 and before you get too ahead of yourself, you should know that I have these things in my hand almost every day and I certainly know what I'm talking about. Releasing and applying the brakes like a nervous child is wrong usage of brakes and could lead to a total brake loss. He has zero feel of the train, is bad at judging speed and distance and stops like a maniac. See for example at 5:25, even Dusan noted that he applied throttle and it shouldn't be done.
@@eMMjunaYschion I am retired train driver from Croatia, and I was working at exactly this locomotive. I told you, it depends on cars. Secondly, you can release brakes, after three releases you will lose the air. Thirdly, of course you will be stiff if somebody watches you, you wouldn't want to fiddle too much, live. The way you are describing your braking, you would have harder time to be precise when you stop. Here, on Balkans, our platforms are the shortest they can be, we have to approach easily so that we don't overrun, and we also mustn't be too short, because platform is short, so we are used to brake like this. Plus, this is Oerlikon which didn't see lubricant for a long time (this is normal for Balkans).
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Kako čovek DRNDA kontroler (birač), to je kriminalno...
Criminal? Why do you think so? Or mistake of Google-traslation?
na putničkom tako mora
@@ZoCvideo585 na brzim vozovima se manje siluje birač nego ovde...
@@ieroglifugresha Yugoslav slang. Literal translation is: How man JERKS controller (selector), it is criminal.
In English, it should be: How much operator strums the controller, it should be illegal.
Jel to lokomotiva sama svira? Sve gledam gde pritiskas sirenu, kad ono nigde... :D
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@@DrazenkoPrerad hvala
Fuck me that's old technology
its based on the SJ Rb-class built during the 1960s. These specific trains shown in the video were first built by ASEA for the Yugoslav railways in 1968, so yeah, they are *OLD* compared to most trains in service around the world.
@@funnel_fish actually it was built in Zagreb in 1974, in my comment i originally erronously wrote that it was built in the late 1960s but i checked a list and its not the case...
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