The actprplaying The Travelor’s Native American disguise is named Tom Jackson. Basck in the 1990’s he was a country singer up in Canada and one of the stars of a CBC cop drama called North of 60. It was a very good show about life in the Canadian Arctic. Not to be missed.
Imagine all that and that was reall just a cosmic pedophile and all he really did was take Wesely to his space dungeon and we get a whole episode about Picard havingto come rescue him from the Traveler
This was basically the same thing Q was trying to get Picard to do, expand his mind to endless possibilities of existence. Wesley was way ahead of the curve and felt dissatisfaction with the conventional route of space exploration through Starfleet. I'm glad they never mention again what Wesley and the traveler been through, since they were dealing with higher planes of existence that would be incomprehensible to limited creatures like ourselves.
Q's path is orthodox. It's much more dangerous but it's straightforward. There are constant "trials." It's not like the Traveler's, which is off the beaten path. The whole episode showed civilizations that didn't follow the orthodox path,.
I have a complete 7 season scripts set out for ST. Considering they stole the plot for Discovery I should finish it and send it in. I'd call it ST: Starfleet Command and I'd have it deal with a wide range of ships and locations, post Voyager bringing back many of the shows characters and introduce many new ones. Season 1 deals alot with the Militarized zone, a nickname for former romulan space where Remen, Cardassians who won't fall in line with New Cardassia under fed guidance. Ferengi who won't go along with Rom's vision of Ferenginar and joining the Federation of Planets. Like an episode where Rom is dodging assassins and goes to Quark for help who finally has his own Casino moon. I'd like to bring back Nog, but poor Aron passed, so it'd have to be a different actor to show him as the first Ferengi Starfleet captain and dealing with getting no respect from his crew. After the fall of Cardassia the Klingons got a huge taste for the conquest of old and still angry from their betrayal invade the Breen space and subjugate them. The federation doesn't like this but accept it, a dirty under the table secret as the Klingon Human Pact has grown in years and in Season 1 is the first year SF Academy is allowing more students than usual as they have more ships lined up already built with no crews to man them. This year SF Academy is bursting with Human, Klingon, Vulcan, Bajoran, Ferengi, Caradassians.. After Romulus's destruction Picard wasn't the only to save Romulans and many sought refuge on vulcan.. Some of those Romulan youth are joining the federation. The Klingons have tried to impose their will on the militarized zone but there are too many rogues, pirates there who've banded together. There are some romulans in this group and they are treated like dogs, slaves, except for a rare few who command small fleets of Warbirds stolen when Romulan society collapsed, the former slaves overpowering the romulan military. Quite a few romulan Commanders loaded civilians onto their ships and as mentioned before, sought out Vulan for reunification, Spock's goal, ultimately achieved. So for Wesley, in my script in Season 2 we find the USS Expedition on the edge of a spacial anomaly, about to be sucked in and destroyed when a little girl walks onto the bridge and begins using one of the consoles and enters a procedure for the Deflector dish and the anomaly dissipates leaving them all stunned. Later another child is found later in Season 2 and in Season 3 and we get a warning from a unexpected place with dire consequences.. That Wesley Crusher must not step foot on a Federation Starship unless he's the Captain.. Starfleet finds this unacceptable as Wesley hasn't worn a uniform in many years and don't know where he is, only that he occasionally books transport of federation ships. When Wesley's found he too expresses no desire to be a Captain or go back to Starfleet for a crash course in command and engineering, but reluctantly goes intrigued by the idea that Starfleet is going to give him command of a ship. Season 4, 5, 6, 7 all have their own main story lines that tie together but Wesley's story very much ties into the ending of the show, and where Star Trek goes next.. I'd even have a few episodes about the Borg. Start off as a regular episode about a human like species and it's experimentation with technology and show how they first ultimately became a hive mind hell bent on assimilation.. ((So people think it's now in the current time, where humans are experimenting with it and really it's very long ago) What happened to the borg after future Janeway introduced the compound into the borg, and the civil war. I guess I should eventually get onto finishing a presentation package and send it to them already.. I'm pretty sure they have nothing right now.
@@JaybayJay Sounds fascinating. Since they are starting new series in the Star Trek universe this might be an excellent time. But keep the original scripts just in case. Good luck. I would love to read them if you ever release them.
It is my understanding that many are watching us figure out this 3D existence. (The Bible refers to them as a "cloud of witnesses"). Often, they want to interfere in where we collectively are heading, but they aren't supposed to do so without our invitation. Some do intervene subtly (a sort of course correction), it's not their journey, it's ours.
Damn. Wesley could have solved Q’s little riddle in All Good Things immediately. He expanded his mind longer than Picard’s fraction of a second. Hope the Continuum was watching.
perhaps they did, which may be an explanation for why they had Q personally test Picard again in the finale. As he said, it was a direct order from the continuum that he test Picard and the crew one final time.
One thing I always felt the Continuum had overlooked - there's always someone better. A faster gun, a bigger fish, no matter how badass you are, you're not the most badass there is. Seems to be a pretty universal rule, at least...so far.
Personally I still think the Traveler is part of the Q Continuum. He might be the Star Trek version of Oma from Stargate SG1. Helping humans to ascend to a higher place.
Time is relative. He could have been watching each and every step of Wes, which would mean that he would have to watch him in the exact time as Wes lives his life. So instead of zapping through time, you watch someone for decades, hoping to see them develop the skills you suppose they could develop. Time is only passing as fast as one perceives it. If you watch the clock tick forward, time becomes near endless, minutes seem to become hours and hours seem like days, and a day feels like eternity. The traveller was doing just that. Watching something tick forward, and this was no fast endeavour. He could not simply jump ahead in time, lest he would have missed an opportunity where he needed to help or otherwise intervene.
In one way, this is an episode where Star Trek TNG 'Jumped the Shark.' In another way, it was ridiculous for them to abandon this storyline. The Wesley Crusher character was a genius, yet he was not properly used after this, in either the movies, or in Deep Space 9, or Voyager, where he could have dropped in every once in a while somewhat like a Q character, showing us the possibility of human potential.
Actually Q should've made an appearance as soon a Wesley displayed such a power and probably should've tried to become his mentor instead of it being the Traveler. It would've been interesting to see the three characters of Wesley, Q, and the Traveler interact with each other outside of time.
I mean did any of the other crew not wonder where Wesley went lol And what about his mother which she not miss her son if he just vanished like that or was all of this explain further on into the episode I have to find a full episode I guess
Underrated character and ideas. The traveler should have been brought back in Voyager and Enterprise to build on the theme of bettering mankind in the area of awareness and the mysteries of the universe ( inner and outer). Very interesting sci fi theme.
Meissnerflux The Traveller could not have appeared on Voyager because by that point he was serving 25 to life for multiple convictions for child molestation
t was predicting sooo much sooo *RIGHT*; wanna know about this NEXT GENERATION (Wesley Crusher Style)go to: plus.google.com/u/0/communities/114141235936810104482
Exact opposite. The actor retired and became a children’s rights attorney. It would have been awesome to see the traveller guest star once a season like Q and appear on Voyager.
But the traveler wasn’t better humankind. Fundamentally these truths cannot be taught but experienced. The point of the journey is maintaining ones human connection yet the traveler encourages Wesley to sacrifice it thus weakening his individuality.
The greatest leaders have often come from obscurity. Take myself, nearly 20 years years ago when I received my diploma I didn't know what life had planned for me but for nearly 15 years now I've lead the generation of tomorrow on a journey in the world of aviation, leadership and inspiration, a wonderful destiny!
Not only that, in a deleted scene he says he's gone back to the academy , I was happy to see him in the movie but that's just such a weird change to his story
It took a while to realize why this scene struck me so powerfully when I watched it during its first broadcast. It was a half buried memory of a movie I'd seen before, the Disney Sunday Movie, "Young Harry Houdini".
This was the Best Story Line of the Whole Series of How Humans Are Suppose To Evolve instead of Stagnate in Petty Conflict over Stupid Pieces of Land or Possessions!!!!
It's still remarkable to me how divisive episodes like this are. This was a story that I related to personally. I left academia largely because I found it intellectually and socially stifling. That said I understand why so many fans see Wesley leaving Starfleet, as well as the mind over matter elements, as a betrayal of the rationalist and scientific vision which Star Trek represents.
I have not ever heard this ever in my life, yet you claim so many hold an invalid opinion. You understand a concept that makes no literal sense. "Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the star ship enterprise. It's continuing mission. To explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations. TO BOLDLY GO WHERE NO ONE HAS GONE BEFORE." Please tell me you don't understand Star Trek without actually saying you don't understand Star trek? I'll never understand why people make things up in defiance of the subject they claim to know yet clearly don't
I wish with Star Trek: Picard that Wesley’s final journey could be explored in some way because next generation does not deal with Wesley any further after this episode other then a brief cameo in Star Trek :Nemesis.
There is a scene they cut out from the marriage scene in Nemesis in which Wesley is quite interested in a young woman. Another form of exploration I guess. ;-)
@@huskyfaninmass1042 No they completely ignored his character arc from “Journey's End” instead he just nonchalantly appears at Riker and Troy’s wedding like nothing happened. I was very disappointed they gave absolutely no explanation whatsoever. There apparently was a scene shot where he had some lines but it got cut so there is no explanation why either him or Worf are back instead of being ambassador to Kronos. I wish they would spared a second or two to explain either characters appearance in the film.
It would have been cool to see Wesley phase his way to the Dominion home world, at the height of the Dominion war, just to throw some shade on their alleged superiority, when he, a human, can command time and space at whim.
I always thought it would have been better at the end if he stepped back off the transporter and said "What the hell...I don't need a transporter." Then dematerialized himself...
Wesley at this plane of existence is mentioned in the novel All Good Things. Him and the traveler see what is happening and Wesley is afraid for his mother and friends but they couldn't interfere.
"The day will come when every person, at a certain degree of awakening, will freeze an activity within himself, and as it comes to a stop within him, that whole section is “dead.” The laws of nature are only free action, repeated until they become accepted as a law." Neville Goddard
It’s an urban myth but I still like to think Tom Jackson was considered for the role of Chakotay. And if Genevieve Bujold hadn’t totally bailed we might’ve gotten an all Canadian Crew. Star Trek Voyageur. Would’ve made The Northwest Passage a more relevant title. Could’ve even had the Marquis guy from DS9
i never understood the end - wesley has already pulled himself out of time earlier on the planet - but he still needed to transport off the ship at the end? i was hoping he'd just disappear in front of his mom and picard. LOL
Scene: Older man leers creepily at a boy and tells him he's been waiting for him for a long time and wants to take him all sorts of places he's never seen before, far away from his friends and family and everyone else he's ever known. Kid accepts with only the smallest of hesitations. Director: That's a wrap! Print it! Great job, everyone.
Fun theory. Wesley IS Q. Grownup. After this, he leaves to learn with the Traveler. He's so good, he learns to become immortal and manipulate space and time at will. In the distant future, he realizes that things would have been quite different had Q not involved himself with Star Fleet. His Continuum, which are simply his offspring, are now in place, so he travels back in time to complete the loop. Remember. Picard and Data were pretty respected by Q, and Wesley as well. I KNOW there are a trillion plot holes. But, it would be fun!
I half wonder if the travelers nudged the federation into making the prime directive. Almost as a way to help introduce those who would develop this gift into thier philosphy of not interfereing with lesser beings.
A dumb ending to a dumb inconsistent character: A character who was led by the nose from start to finish; no agency, no dreams, no passion, no drive, no motives. We gave him a special power, and that special power is the only thing that defines him as a character.
Oddly, this reminds me of an episode from the 80's Twilight Zone series where a stressed out mother finds this amulet in the garden. The next day as she's trying to get everyone ready for work and school, it's a big hectic mess and she finally hits her breaking point and yells "Shut up!" and the magical amulet she wears causes time to stop. Fast forward to TNG, Wesley reacts to a hectic situation by yelling at it and time stops. So basically: Shut up Wesley!
In case you never got answer: Shining time Station was basically is to early Thomas the Tank engine as Power Rangers is to Super Sentai. (US adaption with local segments put in)
I remember watching both Shining Time Station and Star Trek The Next Generation as a six year old kid. I will admit, I really geeked out when I recognized Tom Jackson/Billy Twofeathers on Star Trek The Next Generation. That really made my childhood.
So no one ever had a problem with the idea that a normal human kid, albeit a very smart one, had supertemporal abilities? I like stretching science, but where does this come from? I guess we're just supposed to accept that this kind of thing happens from time to time like with Methuselah.
I always thought he had some slight genetic differences the next step in human evolution granted maybe i dont know what im talking about cause im also one of the those people think think Picard is actully his father
All of his best stories were this destiny. The rest were "shut up Wesley!" I absolutely HATE the shut up wesley... wesley. But I absolutely love this Wesley with a destiny.
So they go from "Have Faith in their abilities to solve their problems on their own" ... to "We dispatch those we call Supervisors to ensure the proper flow of time". Hmmmm ... LOL
Q???? If the human is for Q "AMEBA" than this traveler is on position of "HUMAN" if you understand me and Q is "GOOD" !!!The closest to Q is Guardian of forever! For Traveler is long log way to be like Q species!
One of the biggest problems I had with this episode is the fact that the episode just before it called Lower Decks made reference to the Academy incident from the episode "The First Duty", in which Wesley and Sito and the others participated in a daredevil stunt and covered up the truth. Sito was in the episode "Lower Decks", where she had become an ensign and Picard reprimanded her about it. In "Journey's End", Wesley is aboard the Enterprise and the incident is not even mentioned and they talk as if it never happened. When Wesley states in this episode that his grades were suffering and he wasn't doing good, I oftentimes think it was because of the incident at the Academy. You would think Wesley would have even made reference in this episode to Ensign Sito's death.
Screenrant ranked the episode among the 10 worst episodes the series based on its IMDb score. Screenrant criticized the heavy-handed moral lesson, as well as the ending, and wrote "that the show not only tripped over its feet, but fell flat on its face."[1] In 2014, Ars Technica included this episode in the list of the five worst episodes of the series along with "The Naked Now," "Rascals," "Angel One," and "Up the Long Ladder." "Journey's End" is criticized by hurriedly ending the story arc of Wesley Crusher, taking place in a Native American stereotype planet, and ending with a deus ex machina.[2] Journey's End has been called by some critics ridiculous and non-genuine with respect to the character of Jean-Luc Picard. The fact that he feels guilt over something an ancestor of his did several centuries ago does not fit his personality.[3] In 2021, Screen Rant noted that this marks the departure of Wesley to explore the universe with The Traveler, however they note that he does return in the 2002 film Nemesis. They felt this was not a contradiction, because it would be logical he would want to return where he felt most comfortable, with his Starfleet colleagues.[4] However, that same year they pointed out this was one of the bad character endings of Star Trek, and that his departure "seemed completely out of left field
Now that he is a Demi God why would Wesley bother returning to Starfleet and serve on the Titan as shown in Star Trek Nemesis, it's no wonder that movie forced a reboot.
I think one of the scripts presented the idea that Wesley had voluntarily returned from his missions with the Traveler, preferring to regain his humanity. The book series about Riker's ship called the Titan, had Wesley joining that crew.
I'm guessing that the Traveler was just a modern day quack using his species powers to hook up with young boys. Probably had some kind of mental telepathy ability to make others sense the cessation of time and such. A drifter, as he was first seen being some schmuck assistant to an idiot who wore a Starfleet uniform, but he got travel passage to meet up with boys of different and diverse species. Looked for vulnerable boys, such as Wesley who didn't know their true identity. If there was a conversation in Nemesis, it would have looked like this: Picard: Wesley! It is so good to see you back. Geordi: Wes, what the hell happened anyway? Why are you back. Thought you were immortal or something? Wesley: No sir, I am rather embarassed to talk about it but my therapist said I should. Picard: Well, go on and tell us. Wesley: You see, the Traveller was a fake. He fooled me. Picard: I'm sorry to hear that. How did he fool you? Wesley: Well Sir, he only wanted my bottom and it was a trick to get it from me. Geordi: Whoa, Wes... It's okay to be that way. Picard: Indeed, Mr. Crusher. Starfleet is all for equal opportunities. Wesley: No sir, you do not understand. I am not gay. The Traveller fooled me by giving up what I have to him. Geordi: Come on Wes. It's time you admit it! Picard: Mr. Crusher, I order you to reveal your true feelings to help you heal. Wesley: Fuck this, I'm out.
Maybe he was bored. Then again, STTNG has shown both the Traveler and Q have shown an unusual interest in mankind in general and Starfleet in particular... Maybe Wesley is doing the equivalent of "homework". :)
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The actprplaying The Travelor’s Native American disguise is named Tom Jackson. Basck in the 1990’s he was a country singer up in Canada and one of the stars of a CBC cop drama called North of 60. It was a very good show about life in the Canadian Arctic. Not to be missed.
It's hilarious how Crusher & The Traveler are all happy as they walk away from people killing each other 🤣
Nobody actually died, they were stunning each other.
Even if they did: the Traveler said it clearly: it's not our place to interfere.
😂😂😂😂
When one realizes they are actually a god, they become a little less concerned about the affairs of mortals.
@@ered203 that's gods for you
Traveller: "You've pulled yourself out of time."
Also Traveller: "I've waited a long time for this moment..."
Thier time.
Yeah I noticed that too.
I want to point out what you're missing but honestly it's not worth my time.
Figuratively speaking of course
"To another plane of existence. Another way of thinking."
He must mean Twitter.
Imagine all that and that was reall just a cosmic pedophile and all he really did was take Wesely to his space dungeon and we get a whole episode about Picard havingto come rescue him from the Traveler
Myspace.
@Sunny Quackers Duh! It's a place where twits go to socialize. Don't you know anything?
Acid. He's talking about acid.
Apple, think different.
This was basically the same thing Q was trying to get Picard to do, expand his mind to endless possibilities of existence. Wesley was way ahead of the curve and felt dissatisfaction with the conventional route of space exploration through Starfleet. I'm glad they never mention again what Wesley and the traveler been through, since they were dealing with higher planes of existence that would be incomprehensible to limited creatures like ourselves.
Abe McGee
I wish they had done some story lines bringing in Wesley and The Traveler.
So much room for the imagination to wander.
@@hannibalburgers477 Shut up .
Q's path is orthodox. It's much more dangerous but it's straightforward. There are constant "trials."
It's not like the Traveler's, which is off the beaten path. The whole episode showed civilizations that didn't follow the orthodox path,.
I have a complete 7 season scripts set out for ST. Considering they stole the plot for Discovery I should finish it and send it in. I'd call it ST: Starfleet Command and I'd have it deal with a wide range of ships and locations, post Voyager bringing back many of the shows characters and introduce many new ones. Season 1 deals alot with the Militarized zone, a nickname for former romulan space where Remen, Cardassians who won't fall in line with New Cardassia under fed guidance. Ferengi who won't go along with Rom's vision of Ferenginar and joining the Federation of Planets. Like an episode where Rom is dodging assassins and goes to Quark for help who finally has his own Casino moon. I'd like to bring back Nog, but poor Aron passed, so it'd have to be a different actor to show him as the first Ferengi Starfleet captain and dealing with getting no respect from his crew. After the fall of Cardassia the Klingons got a huge taste for the conquest of old and still angry from their betrayal invade the Breen space and subjugate them. The federation doesn't like this but accept it, a dirty under the table secret as the Klingon Human Pact has grown in years and in Season 1 is the first year SF Academy is allowing more students than usual as they have more ships lined up already built with no crews to man them. This year SF Academy is bursting with Human, Klingon, Vulcan, Bajoran, Ferengi, Caradassians.. After Romulus's destruction Picard wasn't the only to save Romulans and many sought refuge on vulcan.. Some of those Romulan youth are joining the federation. The Klingons have tried to impose their will on the militarized zone but there are too many rogues, pirates there who've banded together. There are some romulans in this group and they are treated like dogs, slaves, except for a rare few who command small fleets of Warbirds stolen when Romulan society collapsed, the former slaves overpowering the romulan military. Quite a few romulan Commanders loaded civilians onto their ships and as mentioned before, sought out Vulan for reunification, Spock's goal, ultimately achieved.
So for Wesley, in my script in Season 2 we find the USS Expedition on the edge of a spacial anomaly, about to be sucked in and destroyed when a little girl walks onto the bridge and begins using one of the consoles and enters a procedure for the Deflector dish and the anomaly dissipates leaving them all stunned. Later another child is found later in Season 2 and in Season 3 and we get a warning from a unexpected place with dire consequences.. That Wesley Crusher must not step foot on a Federation Starship unless he's the Captain.. Starfleet finds this unacceptable as Wesley hasn't worn a uniform in many years and don't know where he is, only that he occasionally books transport of federation ships. When Wesley's found he too expresses no desire to be a Captain or go back to Starfleet for a crash course in command and engineering, but reluctantly goes intrigued by the idea that Starfleet is going to give him command of a ship. Season 4, 5, 6, 7 all have their own main story lines that tie together but Wesley's story very much ties into the ending of the show, and where Star Trek goes next..
I'd even have a few episodes about the Borg. Start off as a regular episode about a human like species and it's experimentation with technology and show how they first ultimately became a hive mind hell bent on assimilation.. ((So people think it's now in the current time, where humans are experimenting with it and really it's very long ago) What happened to the borg after future Janeway introduced the compound into the borg, and the civil war.
I guess I should eventually get onto finishing a presentation package and send it to them already.. I'm pretty sure they have nothing right now.
@@JaybayJay Sounds fascinating. Since they are starting new series in the Star Trek universe this might be an excellent time. But keep the original scripts just in case. Good luck. I would love to read them if you ever release them.
"Have faith in their abilities..."
*Aurrnnnggg!!!!!!!!*
Haha
It is my understanding that many are watching us figure out this 3D existence. (The Bible refers to them as a "cloud of witnesses"). Often, they want to interfere in where we collectively are heading, but they aren't supposed to do so without our invitation. Some do intervene subtly (a sort of course correction), it's not their journey, it's ours.
Damn. Wesley could have solved Q’s little riddle in All Good Things immediately. He expanded his mind longer than Picard’s fraction of a second. Hope the Continuum was watching.
Sorry, They were watching the Voyager Episode where Paris and Janeway turn into giant newts and make baby slugs.
perhaps they did, which may be an explanation for why they had Q personally test Picard again in the finale. As he said, it was a direct order from the continuum that he test Picard and the crew one final time.
One thing I always felt the Continuum had overlooked - there's always someone better. A faster gun, a bigger fish, no matter how badass you are, you're not the most badass there is. Seems to be a pretty universal rule, at least...so far.
Personally I still think the Traveler is part of the Q Continuum. He might be the Star Trek version of Oma from Stargate SG1. Helping humans to ascend to a higher place.
Make sense since he was saving the day a lot in season 1. lol
"I waited a long time for this Wesley."
For some reason that doesn't sound right when you're effectively talking to a time traveler.
Time is relative.
He could have been watching each and every step of Wes, which would mean that he would have to watch him in the exact time as Wes lives his life. So instead of zapping through time, you watch someone for decades, hoping to see them develop the skills you suppose they could develop.
Time is only passing as fast as one perceives it. If you watch the clock tick forward, time becomes near endless, minutes seem to become hours and hours seem like days, and a day feels like eternity. The traveller was doing just that. Watching something tick forward, and this was no fast endeavour. He could not simply jump ahead in time, lest he would have missed an opportunity where he needed to help or otherwise intervene.
In one way, this is an episode where Star Trek TNG 'Jumped the Shark.' In another way, it was ridiculous for them to abandon this storyline. The Wesley Crusher character was a genius, yet he was not properly used after this, in either the movies, or in Deep Space 9, or Voyager, where he could have dropped in every once in a while somewhat like a Q character, showing us the possibility of human potential.
OneEyedKeys I agree, I wish I could see at least one final episode about Wesley and what becomes of him.
Actually Q should've made an appearance as soon a Wesley displayed such a power and probably should've tried to become his mentor instead of it being the Traveler. It would've been interesting to see the three characters of Wesley, Q, and the Traveler interact with each other outside of time.
OneEyedKeys I can just imagine Sisko telling Wesley to ‘shut up’ 😂
@@MrNaxman maybe he will show up in the picard series to save picard's ass. REAR admiral wesley reporting for duty sir!
You can't really jump the shark when you're about 5 episodes from the end and the finale is considered one of the finest stories in the entire series.
Ive waited a long time for you to experience what its like to wait a long time outside of time. If you have time.
STNG was such a big part of my life.
And now Picard will take your cherished memories and crap all over them.
S1 E10: they speak of the Stargate. This episode: ascension.
"What about them?"
"Leave them"
*Walking away smiling to cheerful music as time resumes and people get shot*
Moral of the story? Live and let die.
In other words, the Prime Directive.
Meh f em. T was right. They solved it.
@@RawhideProductions1 no thanks to bichwesely
I mean did any of the other crew not wonder where Wesley went lol
And what about his mother which she not miss her son if he just vanished like that or was all of this explain further on into the episode I have to find a full episode I guess
@@christianpatriot7196 episode in the description
Who would have thought running into a fire fight while screaming "NO!!" was enough to stop time. Wesley truly is a god.
a being with godlike power yes, but just to be clear, though he may be "a god", he's still not God, if there is one. :)
Underrated character and ideas. The traveler should have been brought back in Voyager and Enterprise to build on the theme of bettering mankind in the area of awareness and the mysteries of the universe ( inner and outer). Very interesting sci fi theme.
Meissnerflux The Traveller could not have appeared on Voyager because by that point he was serving 25 to life for multiple convictions for child molestation
t was predicting sooo much sooo *RIGHT*; wanna know about this NEXT GENERATION (Wesley Crusher Style)go to: plus.google.com/u/0/communities/114141235936810104482
Exact opposite. The actor retired and became a children’s rights attorney.
It would have been awesome to see the traveller guest star once a season like Q and appear on Voyager.
But the traveler wasn’t better humankind. Fundamentally these truths cannot be taught but experienced. The point of the journey is maintaining ones human connection yet the traveler encourages Wesley to sacrifice it thus weakening his individuality.
It's a good thing they didn't. There was always too much character crossing over from one show to the next, even if it was just a cameo.
I imagine the Traveller and Q meeting, but probably they'd find each other extremely pathetic.
The greatest leaders have often come from obscurity. Take myself, nearly 20 years years ago when I received my diploma I didn't know what life had planned for me but for nearly 15 years now I've lead the generation of tomorrow on a journey in the world of aviation, leadership and inspiration, a wonderful destiny!
So… you either teach cabin crew (a very honourable job!) or your in an Air Force?
Fine then, keep your secrets.
I hope you're being ironical. A great leader would know that the past participle of "to lead" is "led", not "lead".
Very soon even the Traveler will one day say" Shut up Wesley"
A better way to depart would have been for Wesley to have been expelled and imprisoned for helping Tom Paris kill that cadet.
Yet there he is at the dining table at the beginning of Insurrection
Not only that, in a deleted scene he says he's gone back to the academy , I was happy to see him in the movie but that's just such a weird change to his story
He can still see so time hasn't stopped, just slowed alot.
2:08 well r.i.p
Ikr... that’s hilarious. Very selfish of Wesley and his new sugar daddy too!
It took a while to realize why this scene struck me so powerfully when I watched it during its first broadcast. It was a half buried memory of a movie I'd seen before, the Disney Sunday Movie, "Young Harry Houdini".
Wesley: "but what about all these people."
Traveler: "leave them"
Wesley: "but"
Traveler: "shut up wesley"
Hahahah, made me laugh! Good one! :)
Always one of my favorite scenes
This was the Best Story Line of the Whole Series of How Humans Are Suppose To Evolve instead of Stagnate in Petty Conflict over Stupid Pieces of Land or Possessions!!!!
Wesley: What about them?
The Traveler: Fuck em
It's still remarkable to me how divisive episodes like this are. This was a story that I related to personally. I left academia largely because I found it intellectually and socially stifling. That said I understand why so many fans see Wesley leaving Starfleet, as well as the mind over matter elements, as a betrayal of the rationalist and scientific vision which Star Trek represents.
I have not ever heard this ever in my life, yet you claim so many hold an invalid opinion.
You understand a concept that makes no literal sense.
"Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the star ship enterprise. It's continuing mission. To explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations. TO BOLDLY GO WHERE NO ONE HAS GONE BEFORE."
Please tell me you don't understand Star Trek without actually saying you don't understand Star trek?
I'll never understand why people make things up in defiance of the subject they claim to know yet clearly don't
A week later, the Traveler: Shut up Wesley!
I wish with Star Trek: Picard that Wesley’s final journey could be explored in some way because next generation does not deal with Wesley any further after this episode other then a brief cameo in Star Trek :Nemesis.
There is a scene they cut out from the marriage scene in Nemesis in which Wesley is quite interested in a young woman. Another form of exploration I guess. ;-)
Did Wesley appear as some god-like figure in Nemesis?
@@huskyfaninmass1042 No they completely ignored his character arc from “Journey's End” instead he just nonchalantly appears at Riker and Troy’s wedding like nothing happened. I was very disappointed they gave absolutely no explanation whatsoever. There apparently was a scene shot where he had some lines but it got cut so there is no explanation why either him or Worf are back instead of being ambassador to Kronos. I wish they would spared a second or two to explain either characters appearance in the film.
Well now...
It would have been cool to see Wesley phase his way to the Dominion home world, at the height of the Dominion war, just to throw some shade on their alleged superiority, when he, a human, can command time and space at whim.
Wesley: I need an adult.
The Traveler: I am an adult.
Chris Hansen thinks the traveler needs to have a seat right over there.
Wesley: "Can I still go to Riker and Troi's wedding in a few years?"
Traveler: "Sure"
"Okay, THAT was the recruitment speech . . . Welcome to the Travelers."
My only beef with this episode was, Wesley had left just as he was getting these new powers. I was always curious as to what Wesley could do?
I always loved this episode & I wished we could have seen more of Wesley's powers.
Tom TheMan Paul from the new series has very similar powers stemming from the same source.
Thodnern New series?
I always thought it would have been better at the end if he stepped back off the transporter and said "What the hell...I don't need a transporter." Then dematerialized himself...
Such as the power to Shut up?
@@richardm3023 - if only!
I never knew Tom Jackson was in Star Trek. Great actor and great man. ✌️♥️😎
No worries, you can see they are perfectly capable of handling their own problems one way or another.
New Series needed
"The Time of Wesley"
Wesley at this plane of existence is mentioned in the novel All Good Things. Him and the traveler see what is happening and Wesley is afraid for his mother and friends but they couldn't interfere.
There was a reference to this scene in the show Steins;Gate.
Episode 9, if you're interested.
eleborate
... and with that, Wesley awakens and begins his path of Ascension without all those Technocratic Paradigms entangling him.
More truth than we realize.
"The day will come when every person, at a certain degree of awakening, will freeze an activity within himself, and as it comes to a stop within him, that whole section is “dead.” The laws of nature are only free action, repeated until they become accepted as a law."
Neville Goddard
He doesn’t even help the natives, he just walks away. Wesley do something!
It’s an urban myth but I still like to think Tom Jackson was considered for the role of Chakotay. And if Genevieve Bujold hadn’t totally bailed we might’ve gotten an all Canadian Crew. Star Trek Voyageur. Would’ve made The Northwest Passage a more relevant title. Could’ve even had the Marquis guy from DS9
When I was a kid the tv guide announcer for one of the stations in Canada actually pronounced it like Voyageur. It was hilarious.
i never understood the end - wesley has already pulled himself out of time earlier on the planet - but he still needed to transport off the ship at the end? i was hoping he'd just disappear in front of his mom and picard. LOL
This is one of my favorite episodes
"Have in their abilities to solve their problems on their own." - THE TRAVELER
"Faith" is the word you are missing here... :) "I find your lack of "Faith", disturbing." :)
Guinan.
One of my favorite episodes
Wesley Crusher became the Emperor of Mankind and created the Space Marines
I really liked this episode!!! I remember how pleased I was when the Indian guide transformed into the traveller.
🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖👍👍👍👍👍
star trek traveler needs it's own series.
He talks about how time is an illusion and has no meaning and then he says:"I've waited a long time for this..."
I am lost.
Shh
Well the traveller does have to experience their time to observe if and how Westley will be enlightened.
I thought pretty much the same thing 🤣🤣
Hilarious . waited a long time.
Someday you will befriend Sheldon Cooper.
1:01 there's your warp bubble westley.
Scene: Older man leers creepily at a boy and tells him he's been waiting for him for a long time and wants to take him all sorts of places he's never seen before, far away from his friends and family and everyone else he's ever known. Kid accepts with only the smallest of hesitations.
Director: That's a wrap! Print it! Great job, everyone.
I also felt the potential creepiness here, the way the big guy looks down at Wesley.
@Neil Rosenau no it isn't. plenty of subtext and codes in media.
If you have not already do catch Season 2 of Picard for a cameo of Wesley as a Traveller
Fun theory. Wesley IS Q. Grownup.
After this, he leaves to learn with the Traveler.
He's so good, he learns to become immortal and manipulate space and time at will.
In the distant future, he realizes that things would have been quite different had Q not involved himself with Star Fleet. His Continuum, which are simply his offspring, are now in place, so he travels back in time to complete the loop.
Remember. Picard and Data were pretty respected by Q, and Wesley as well.
I KNOW there are a trillion plot holes. But, it would be fun!
I half wonder if the travelers nudged the federation into making the prime directive. Almost as a way to help introduce those who would develop this gift into thier philosphy of not interfereing with lesser beings.
Tom Jackson is from my country. Canada. He's also from my province. Saskatchewan.
LOL, Canada, a country. You say funny things.
Richard M ...... Such as?
The writers were just happy to get rid of his ass for good
In the thumbnail, the Traveler looks like Jeff Dunham. Ha!
A dumb ending to a dumb inconsistent character: A character who was led by the nose from start to finish; no agency, no dreams, no passion, no drive, no motives. We gave him a special power, and that special power is the only thing that defines him as a character.
Nog from DS9 is what Wesley should have been.
Oddly, this reminds me of an episode from the 80's Twilight Zone series where a stressed out mother finds this amulet in the garden. The next day as she's trying to get everyone ready for work and school, it's a big hectic mess and she finally hits her breaking point and yells "Shut up!" and the magical amulet she wears causes time to stop.
Fast forward to TNG, Wesley reacts to a hectic situation by yelling at it and time stops. So basically: Shut up Wesley!
Soooo wesley is basically lucy....
Does this mean that one of those few, exceptional, humans who can reach a new plane of existence is... Zack Morris?
Worst moment of Star Trek the Next Generation
Before he transformed into the Traveler, that guy was the one Native American engineer from Shining Time Station.
Shining Time Station?
Yes, Billy Twofeathers, played by Tom Jackson.
In case you never got answer: Shining time Station was basically is to early Thomas the Tank engine as Power Rangers is to Super Sentai. (US adaption with local segments put in)
I remember watching both Shining Time Station and Star Trek The Next Generation as a six year old kid. I will admit, I really geeked out when I recognized Tom Jackson/Billy Twofeathers on Star Trek The Next Generation. That really made my childhood.
"Join us and one day you can tell Picard to shut up!"
The Traveler seems to be Wesley's Q, but not chaotic.
Woah that's Tom Jackson from North of 60!
And this is why everyone loves Wesley.
lol
So no one ever had a problem with the idea that a normal human kid, albeit a very smart one, had supertemporal abilities? I like stretching science, but where does this come from? I guess we're just supposed to accept that this kind of thing happens from time to time like with Methuselah.
I always thought he had some slight genetic differences the next step in human evolution granted maybe i dont know what im talking about cause im also one of the those people think think Picard is actully his father
I just watched ths particular episode on Amazon prime
Two different actors played the Traveler, and both of them played it creepy.
Agreed, very creepy
@@scotttild Yes, one of the actors was called away unexpectedly.
ITS BILLY REDFEATHER FROM SHINING TIME STATION!!
Poochie got called back to his home planet because his people need him.
NOTE: Poochie died on the way back to his home planet.
I am dying over here! lmao
I don't think I ever saw this... Wesley just like... Went away... And that's exactly what happened...
Good Bye Wesley
All of his best stories were this destiny. The rest were "shut up Wesley!" I absolutely HATE the shut up wesley... wesley. But I absolutely love this Wesley with a destiny.
So they go from "Have Faith in their abilities to solve their problems on their own" ... to "We dispatch those we call Supervisors to ensure the proper flow of time". Hmmmm ... LOL
Journey's End
Is the traveler one step away from becoming Q?
Q???? If the human is for Q "AMEBA" than this traveler is on position of "HUMAN" if you understand me and Q is "GOOD" !!!The closest to Q is Guardian of forever! For Traveler is long log way to be like Q species!
Lmao
this was the first time TNG jumped the shark
Dr. Crusher boning a space ghost wasn't an indication?
ah the Gusp Lazah do exist
Take a walk on the wild side
It was a different time, inter dimensional grooming was totally acceptable back then.
Agreed now all I can think about is how the traveler should be on to catch a predator.
Thought that was Harry Kim in the thumbnail!
25 years later, and still an ensign I'll bet.
Wow. I've only watched this episode ONCE, and that was the day it aired. Always skipped. I completely understood. Just only seen it once.
One of the biggest problems I had with this episode is the fact that the episode just before it called Lower Decks made reference to the Academy incident from the episode "The First Duty", in which Wesley and Sito and the others participated in a daredevil stunt and covered up the truth. Sito was in the episode "Lower Decks", where she had become an ensign and Picard reprimanded her about it. In "Journey's End", Wesley is aboard the Enterprise and the incident is not even mentioned and they talk as if it never happened. When Wesley states in this episode that his grades were suffering and he wasn't doing good, I oftentimes think it was because of the incident at the Academy. You would think Wesley would have even made reference in this episode to Ensign Sito's death.
Screenrant ranked the episode among the 10 worst episodes the series based on its IMDb score. Screenrant criticized the heavy-handed moral lesson, as well as the ending, and wrote "that the show not only tripped over its feet, but fell flat on its face."[1]
In 2014, Ars Technica included this episode in the list of the five worst episodes of the series along with "The Naked Now," "Rascals," "Angel One," and "Up the Long Ladder." "Journey's End" is criticized by hurriedly ending the story arc of Wesley Crusher, taking place in a Native American stereotype planet, and ending with a deus ex machina.[2]
Journey's End has been called by some critics ridiculous and non-genuine with respect to the character of Jean-Luc Picard. The fact that he feels guilt over something an ancestor of his did several centuries ago does not fit his personality.[3]
In 2021, Screen Rant noted that this marks the departure of Wesley to explore the universe with The Traveler, however they note that he does return in the 2002 film Nemesis. They felt this was not a contradiction, because it would be logical he would want to return where he felt most comfortable, with his Starfleet colleagues.[4] However, that same year they pointed out this was one of the bad character endings of Star Trek, and that his departure "seemed completely out of left field
A N D TNG Jumped the galactic shark
WormHolTS WiGhT WormHoleS
Where the hell is Chris Hanson? Classic to catch a space time continuum predator😯
So he is Mr Anderson...
Chakotay was Native American would have loved to see more of them in Star Trek or Starfleet
When a Mexican can play a native American ohh the 90s
🙌
Now that he is a Demi God why would Wesley bother returning to Starfleet and serve on the Titan as shown in Star Trek Nemesis, it's no wonder that movie forced a reboot.
I think one of the scripts presented the idea that Wesley had voluntarily returned from his missions with the Traveler, preferring to regain his humanity. The book series about Riker's ship called the Titan, had Wesley joining that crew.
I'm guessing that the Traveler was just a modern day quack using his species powers to hook up with young boys. Probably had some kind of mental telepathy ability to make others sense the cessation of time and such. A drifter, as he was first seen being some schmuck assistant to an idiot who wore a Starfleet uniform, but he got travel passage to meet up with boys of different and diverse species. Looked for vulnerable boys, such as Wesley who didn't know their true identity.
If there was a conversation in Nemesis, it would have looked like this:
Picard: Wesley! It is so good to see you back.
Geordi: Wes, what the hell happened anyway? Why are you back. Thought you were immortal or something?
Wesley: No sir, I am rather embarassed to talk about it but my therapist said I should.
Picard: Well, go on and tell us.
Wesley: You see, the Traveller was a fake. He fooled me.
Picard: I'm sorry to hear that. How did he fool you?
Wesley: Well Sir, he only wanted my bottom and it was a trick to get it from me.
Geordi: Whoa, Wes... It's okay to be that way.
Picard: Indeed, Mr. Crusher. Starfleet is all for equal opportunities.
Wesley: No sir, you do not understand. I am not gay. The Traveller fooled me by giving up what I have to him.
Geordi: Come on Wes. It's time you admit it!
Picard: Mr. Crusher, I order you to reveal your true feelings to help you heal.
Wesley: Fuck this, I'm out.
Maybe he was bored. Then again, STTNG has shown both the Traveler and Q have shown an unusual interest in mankind in general and Starfleet in particular... Maybe Wesley is doing the equivalent of "homework". :)
That scene is non canon. It was deleted because the Traveller was jailed for possession of child pornography, meaning Wes lost his companion
Chris Hanson told the traveler to have a seat right over there.
Anyone here from the end of Picard Season 2?
Leave them to their hockey game.
came here due to picard s2 ep 10