He shouldn’t have been offended, though. They aren’t giving him control over the situation not because he wouldn’t make a great captain, but because they need someone experienced in this area for the few days this event is going to take. This wasn’t meant to be a permanent reassignment, and Jellico was the best pick for this short timeframe. From her viewpoint, this is what the Vice Admiral was informing Riker when she stated her simple line.
@@LittleZbot What she is trying to do may make sense in the big picture, but how she informs Riker is cleverly arranged by the writers to be offensive. Starting from the top allows the command crew to be less confused. "Based on reports from intelligence, time is of the essence here. Starfleet is bringing in the person most experienced with negotiating with the Cardassians to lead the mission, Captain Jellico of the Cairo. This allows Picard to be reassigned to a different critical mission that I cannot discuss with you. Unfortunately, the Cairo cannot be spared at the moment, so putting Captain Jellico command of the Enterprise gives him the right aura of authority to impress the Cardassians. I am sorry to inform you like this, and I know this is not a perfect plan, but we are making compromising because of time pressure. I am glad that you are on hand, Riker, to smooth over any difficulties with such a sudden transition."
I know it's because they're the main characters and need to be involved, but there's something really funny about watching a ship's captain and a *doctor* preparing for a covert ops mission. It's so silly.
IKR!? I did not think about it at the time when i first watched this episode back in the day.But looking back this operation had "epic fail " waiting to happen written all over it.Nechayev would have been better off taking the extra time to first contact Star Fleet Intelligence.Then get experienced agents maybe some cardassian citizen agents if at all possible.THEN commandeer the Cairo or whichever ship was available at the time to rendezvous with the Enterprise.Which should have acted as their mobile staging area.Picard,his officers,and crew should have been regulated to a support role.In position to act and quickly evacuate the spy team if things went wrong during the mission.
It's a nod to the original series, and a concession to the reality that nobody wants to see officers do what officers actually do - give orders and shuffle paperwork. Obviously the biggest thing is that Starfleet has no Space Marines. Every Navy in history has had a shipboard infantry contingent for away missions, and they'd be the ones clearing the beam-in area, followed by the science teams. Friggin' Starfleet sends the science teams first and they get blasted.
I was about to say the same thing. Riker in particular handled this badly. Jellico was a good Captain, yes he wasn't Picard, yes he had his faults like any Man...but overall I thought he handled himself pretty well. Not all Captains can be Picard, and it's unfair to expect that. If Picard had seen what we saw, he'd have said that too. After all he spent years serving under officers just like Jellico, which explains why he was a bit stuffy when he got to the Enterprise. The others were too busy trying to compromise him, hoping to find some excuse to get rid of him so they could pull a Kirk and go after "their Captain" even if it caused a war. Only Hollywood would think that was proper behavior. I know part of that is the writers fault. They had a clear idea about what they wanted in this episode and part of that was the change in command and how the crew reacted to it. It might have worked better if they, Riker especially, had acknowledged their own shortcomings under Jellico and thus becoming a better crew for Picard.
It can be argued that Starfleet made a bad call by relieving Picard so suddenly. Then to throw a lobotomized crew into action with an unfamiliar captain was an even worse call. They would have done better to brevet Jellico a Commodore and left him command of Cairo as well as the detachment as a whole. It would have left him with two crews that internally worked well and were proven. The manner in which Picard, not to mention Crusher and Worf, were unceremoniously cut from their posts seemed designed to provoke resentment from Enterprise's crew. That's how you foment mutiny.
That's why Borg is so much better. No male, female, this race, that race. Political correctness at its best. They are all equal. All drones. And they have better tech also.
Jelico: How many Duty Watches does the crew stand? Riker: We currently operate a three shift rotation. Jelico: I want to start a four shift rotation starting tonight and I want it staffed entirely by ED209. Riker: Very good Sir, it'll be a tough sell but I'll run it by the department heads.
@@dhinton1 - I was about to write a long, detailed, reply asking why you would want someone inexperienced to handle what could quite easily escalate to full-scale war...........until I noticed the "don't" in front of "think", and it all fell apart. So now I'm writing this long-winded rant to appreciate someone else looking at this logically :D
Man, Nechayev was in this, too. They picked the right actress and character to start this off on this note. On point performance, she was always spot on.
We need to send a special forces team behind enemy lines to gather information, who should go? An elderly man, a doctor that's never held a weapon, and a Klingon that can't control himself.
he may not have burned her but I think we all know where he shoved her com badge... Sadly she did not have time for Crusher to pull it out before her meeting in the next scene. it is so strange that no one realized she did not have one on when filming.
Whenever Necheyev shows up on your ship, you know that shits about to get real fucked up real fucking fast. She’s given Picard a headache more than once, told Sisko that the Maquis were a hapless bunch of nobodies and he should just deal with them. I’ll bet Janeway sodded off 70,000 light years to fly through Borg infested space rather than host Necheyev on Voyager. She’s so frosty that even Kirk wouldn’t have slept with her and she’d have kicked Archers dog. The woman was a curse!
@Thelondonbadger As far as unfitness for command is concerned, Nechayev puts everyone else in the shade. Well, everyone else except Janeway, and perhaps Archer.
If the armistice Captain Edward Jellico brokered looked anything like the peace treaty that established the DMZ, then I would hardly consider that a bright spot on his resume.
Ikr!? I mean whose bright idea was it to have an entire region of space under no one's control!? If you did that in Star Wars the crime syndicates and bounty hunters would shout YAHOO!!! Because you basically gave them a defacto lawless zone where they can setup shop and do as they plz.Black Sun,Boba Fett, and the Hutts raise whine glasses to toast Captain Jelleco. 😛
@DriftZ TwoSeven it's only the same plot armour that makes whatever the enemy of the week is so fearsome though, just so the underdog heroes somehow defeating them is that much more impressive. And as soon as that enemy IS defeated whatever next one comes along is gonna be bigger and badder and scarier than the last, and whatever the heroes have learned from fighting the previous one or any weapon or technique that was effective there will either no longer matter at all, suddenly somehow no longer be applicable for some made-up-out-of-nowhere reason, or not be nearly AS effective. Star Trek is far from the only franchise to have this annoying contrived theme or the worst perpetrators of it, they're certainly nowhere near as bad as Stargate SG-1, Doctor Who or Dragonball Z for example, but it IS still there and annoying nonetheless
@DriftZ TwoSeven and while what you've said there is nonetheless true I still think calling the Federation and people like Captain Kirk or Captain Sisko "gentle" is a bit much
@DriftZ TwoSeven Technically... the only thing that keept Romulans from invading Federation was Earth's alliance with Klingon Empire because not even such military power house as Romulan Star Empire was powerful enough to wage a war on two fronts...
Watching this clip, it hit me that Jelico didn't ask for anything unreasonable. It's just that Riker was extremely comfortable as virtually the second captain.
Riker was always an insubordinate and unprofessional officer. He usually got away with his behavior because Picard and his other previous CO's liked him personally. However, his resentment at getting passed over eliminated his charm, and all jellico saw was an insubordinate officer whose lack of professionalism blinded him to the larger picture.
Jellico is actually a very effective and responsible commanding officer. I see Riker in the wrong with most of this episode. He let his ego rule him when Jellico was quite qualified for what he was doing and how
I had an old manager who was like Picard. He was replaced with a new one who was like Jellico. I left the company shortly afterwards. Riker was right: serving under a manager like that who doesn't trust his team to do its job brings no joy and does not inspire loyalty.
While Jelicho might have had a different style compared to Picard, he was the new CO and Riker should be professional enough to know that each CO has their own style and maybe be open to learning something different from them. Riker was given three assignments: set up a four watch system (an upheaval, but not an impossible task for an experienced XO), have readiness reports from the department heads, and set a briefing with the senior staff. Assuming this was done in their morning, say around 1000hrs, that would give him at least three hours to reassign people, adjust the duty schedule, and tell department heads to write a standard report that can be short and concise. At the same time, Jelicho is a bit tight on the reigns, but he is under the gun and doesn't have a lot of time. Their conflict was a great addition to the story because they both had learned from each other. Hurrah character development!
Three hours to redistribute six hundred people, have department heads file reports AND get a major overhaul done while in complete chaos and have him sort through all reports last second all with an asshole boss instead of a leader
@@starfleetcaptain5413 Jellico had three days to turn the Enterprise into a warship. Switching everyone to a four-shift rotation means people only work 6 hours at a time, meaning they have more time to rest.
Riker may have been uncomfortable, but he was never not professional. He wanted to discuss the personnel situation, but Jelico flipped out on him like a typical man-baby.
@@Redshirt434 That was one action. Just doing one celebratory action does not warrant getting you an automatic promotion. It's a series of jobs being done. In this case, Riker's next step was to take command of a lesser vessel to take independent control of a ship, but he refused to do that.
I always equated the Cardassian wars as a very small scale, but brutal undeclared war, that was so far from the core of Federation space, than the average citizen, much less the flagship of the Federation never gave it a thought, especially since the Enterprise was always involved in the return of the Romulan Empire's return as a galactic superpower, which was more urgent, not to mention the Borg threat.
Rikers face when he realizes that that woman is so addicted to the sound of her own voice she won’t even let someone answer the question she’s just asked without interrupting them
Nope, the Federation council would not allow it. Remember a lot of intellectual pacifist members in the Federation who will only allow for minimal level of defense capabilities. Commandos would not be defensive and they would intellectually destroy anyone on the floor opposing that philosophy.
Riker: So, we're a crew that's known each other for years and works together well-- Admiral: UP YOURS YOU GET A NEW CAPTAIN WOO LOOKIT ME THROW MY RANK AROUND WOOOOO
Aaaand the Enterprise was the flagship of the Federation, which could very well soon be leading the Fleet in an all-out-war against the Cardassians. Jellico had experience dealing with them. Riker (and Picard to a lesser degree) didn't. Would you want the med student performing your heart surgery, or an experienced heart surgeon?
@@Mark-xh8md As I vaguely recall, the Federation nearly shot itself in the foot in the first place by throwing Picard into a trap specifically baited for him. Great call, Admiralty. How many lights are there?
admiral Haftel, who tries to, lets say, kidnap Lal. Ross (ds9) coop with section 31 could be seen as a little bit shady. admiral jameson (the one with his youth drug). Leyton (ds9) tries to overthrow earths government with help of red sqaud, and orders the Lakota to attack the Defiant pretty sure there are some more :)
To be fair, in the Navy, we have to adjust to new COs all the time. Honestly I’m this situation, Jelico wasn’t a bad Captain. The senior staff were just being a pain because of script. The whole Riker subplot was weak imo
Admiral Nechayev should have been demoted to ensign for dreaming up this mission. The Cardassians/Obsidian order fed her a series of false leads about metagenics and she dreamed up a mission. She risked the lives of three very important people, one being the captain of the flagship of starfleet. I real life it would have been instant career death. In TNG she appears again in future episodes as a fleet admiral. i.e. She got promoted!
Even though the crew of the Enterprise is the best this scene does reveal how even unbeknownst to Picard his crew has been spoiled by him and even himself. That look on Riker's face after the new caption issued all those bellman orders to him was 'oh yeah, i forgot, that's my job too'. To Worf complaining like a kid to Picard that he turned up the difficulty level, to you can just almost see Beverly just itching to use one of her 'but caption' cards to get what she wants. To the look on Picard's face when he was handed down by the Admiral with very little regard. But all that is what is to be expected when wearing the uniform. So much just in this scene alone.
Goauld have long life spans . His symbiot helped him survive gunshot wounds and his fall from the OCP building as well as the atmosphere on Mars during his time as Governor there
@1:12 "I hope we won't have to make that decision" That is not an answer. Proper planning and preparation for any major undertaking is to have answers ready ahead of encountering an issue, especially a likely issue. Knowing that war is a strong possibility, and yet not knowing what you would do in the event of that strong possibility, for such a serious issue, is insane. The admiral seems to prefer having to "wing it" when the crisis hits, and make a rushed decision under pressure, rather than a well thought out decision while time permits. Maybe it was the intention of the writers to show incompetence of personnel at executive levels? And the new Captain (Jelico?) is typical of how many new-hired executives drive personnel crazy, just to make the statement that there is a new sheriff in town. That is a strong indication that it is about their vanity and desire for power, rather than what is best for the business, and should be used by their boss to remove them before they destroy morale. You want smart people to be in charge -- not tyrants. Not that they should be a push-over. But if they are going to make things difficult for their staff, it should be done because it is necessary, and not because they want to do so just to prove that they have the power to do so. Personnel should not be forced to jump through hoops simply because you can order it.
1.) In the seen necheyev(or however you spell her name) is only a vice admiral, the decision to go to war is not up to her, but to the federation president (or whoever is actually in charge of declaring war). It's possible a decision has been made and she wasn't told, however I feel it's more likely the federation wants too see how it all plays out, regardless her mission won't change if the federation is willing to go to war or not, so she has no need to tell the enterprise even if she knew 2.) As for jellico he is trying to put a more militaristic approach to command, which isn't a bad idea since Picard is VERY relaxed, especially since the enterprise is the flagship
@@thomashewes5924 1) Granted, the decision of going to war is not up to her. But at her executive level (she is very high up in the food chain), she should know the answer. And if she feels it is not for publication, then she should say that it is classified. She should not convey that she does not know. 2) Jellico is an example of a boss that makes the work environment inhospitable. I am not suggesting that the staff be pampered. But the staff should not be treated like tools and numbers on a spreadsheet. That results in stress, requests for transfers (losing people that know the ins and outs of the ship's intricacies), and a lack of enthusiasm by the staff. They stop looking out for each other, and start to look out for their own behinds. They end up doing only enough to keep their jobs, until they find greener pastures.
@@NoEgg4u 1.)true however she is not conveying any information, she says that she hopes they wont have to make a decision. And if she said it was classified she would have been revealing information more than saying what she did, as that would imply a descension has been made. 2.) War is by nature inhospitable, and the crew of the enterprise is completely I'll equiped for war, in the military (which is what kind of ship the enterprise would be if there was war) you have to push your crew, in the beginning is be hard but they'd get used to it
@@Revkor I don't think the problem was that jellico pushed to hard, data himself said that his orders were reasonable (though it's data so...). I think the problem was that he wasn't Picard. The crew didn't know him so they didn't trust him when he started pushing them outside their comfort zone, I'm sure that if Picard had ordered it there would have been no complaints, at the end of the day jellico needed better communication skills, and that's where he failed
If we have to have Enterprise crew on that covet mission Riker, Worf and Data make a 1000x more sense than the two geriatrics. Didn’t Starfleet have marines for situations like this?
At my old job we got a new boss like that and he started having us do damn near twice the work. The that same week when he denied my demand for a raise i quit on the spot. Almost immediately i found a better paying job with less work, let me tell you that guy was one of the best things that could have happened lol!
She never had any integrity throughout her appearances. She always struck me as a traitor. She never made a decision that was in the best interest of the Federation.
@@ronin3381 In the Admiral's own words, she is hoping to avoid an incursion through diplomatic negotiation. She then does what we can only surmise is outside of normal practice by assigning Jellico to command Enterprise. We know this because Data shows surprise in this move whereas Riker and Troi are absolutely stunned by the move. Worse, Jellico is not a diplomat, he states that he is not in the episode. But, we are told he handled the most recent diplomatic interactions in the area with the Cardassians. It must be noted the Federation did that negotiation from a position of strength having win the Federation Cardassian War. It is silly to not inform Riker, Troi and Data of the subterfuge of Picard, Crusher and Worf being sent on a mission and that Jellico is only a temporary captain. But, as much as I like Jellico, he shows he is a poor choice for the job when he is obviously lusting after the Enterprise, which is a huge step up from the Cairo in prestige. He has to know what is going and hints that he does in his banter with Riker later on. yet, he acts like an only child on Christmas Morning. It would have been better and more threatening to the Cardassians if Riker retained command of the Enterprise and Jellico stayed on board the Cairo. Jellico would meet the Cardassians on the Enterprise to discuss the situation and it would be somewhat neutral turf for both delegations. The Enterprise is well-fitted for holding such meetings, as it has done so many times in the past. As for what was in the best interest of the Federation. It was not the showdown between the Enterprise and the Cardassian but rather finding out about the banned weapons material through the Picard strike team. The Enterprise was fly paper, pinning and holding the Cardassians attention while Picard's team found the weapon.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have special forces exist. No need to send the captain of Starfleets flagship, her chief of security and chief medical officer.
@@Yroko What's so sad is the Federation of the 23th century (TOS) didn't mess around. Yes you had some wastes of skin (like a certain commissioner) but for the most part, the TOS Federation played hardball.
@@ianchapman6254 different times. The biggest factions were the Romulans and Klingons. There was very little room for peace, and to show weakness to these 2 ment ur dead. So Kirk and co along with most of the federation had to play hard ball cause they were still a young faction in the alpha quadrant.
The Federations root problem was the Cardassians knew they wouldn’t go to war over one system. They’d hem and haw, gather opinions, negotiate, seek a peaceful solution and ultimately do nothing. What the Federation needed was a massive mobilisation to show they would respond. If the Cardassians knew the Federation would react they’d never dare try anything. Most of the border problems would vanish without Starfleet firing a shot.
That was the issue in many TNG episodes. The Romulan who survived a crash or storm after setting up a spy station inside federation territory was handed over without being executed much less interrogated, imprisoned, or even an apology from the Romulans. It was all the Romulans whining about how "you better not mistreat our spy!" and Picard and the Enterprise just hand him over. It was all done in an attempt to mend relations but this was Gene Roddenberry's attempt to show what should be done in real life politics. Never forget that most of the political actions done in this show are from a socialist's ideas.
@@spasjt Pffft he was lucky he was not a spy on twentieth century Earth.Out of uniform and not marching under the banner of an internationally recognized country.Depending on which country or nation you were caught in.Fifty fifty chance your ass is grass.
The actress who plays the admiral is great. She tore Picard a new one when he didn’t deploy that computer virus against the Borg. I would follow her into battle ⚔️
@@tisFrancesfault Her approach to the Maquis was to establish a dialogue with them and try to remind them that they are still Federation citizens. While this strategy is perhaps somewhat naive and optimistic, it isn’t necessary a bad one.
As a kid, the reluctance it made perfect sense to me that Riker and the other senior officers reacted badly to the changes in the ship's command structure and the hardass quality of Captain Jellico: He and Admiral Nechayev were were outsiders messing with the status quo! But as an adult, it's amazing how unprofessional the Enterprise senior staff look here. Neither Admiral Nechayev nor Captain Jellico did anything remotely out of line. Nechayev in particular went above and beyond to be tactful in her efforts to keep things moving along in the midst of the senior staff's disorientation. If I were in her position and Riker hit me with the "With all due respect" line, I'd tell him to think carefully about how he finishes that sentence. Commanders do not make galactic policy, and if an admiral indulges them in conversation on policy matters, that's a privilege. In this scene, Riker was speaking to the face of Starfleet Command with all the petulance of a spoiled child. Jellico was right to eventually relieve him. And Jellico, for his part: Well, he certainly was tone-deaf to the human element--which arguably compromises him as a starship captain--but procedurally all he did in this scene was give Riker orders of the sort that are exactly in an executive officer's wheelhouse. (Riker: "You mean we actually have to do our jobs this week?!?! O_o") I'm not one of those people who conceives of Starfleet as a military organization, but this goes beyond failures of military-grade discipline and gets into the realm of flat-out lack of professionalism.
There are problems with Jellico. He told LaForge to do major adjustments in a short time and took a third of his engineering group away to do security protocols. He increased to 4 shifts a day without additional crewmen. Or taking them from other jobs to build a gap at that position like engineering. You can do 4x6 hours rotation by decreasing the recreation time or by adding more crew. Crew does work better with the right motivation. Jellico didn't do anything to motivate. And I could go on.
@@larsradtke4097 I think all the 'problems' that Jellico exhibited were because he was yanked off his own ship, tossed into another, and ordered to prep it for possible war within a very short time-frame. I agree completely with Josh, both in my opinion on first viewing when younger and on subsequent viewing when older.
@@dave29123 Seven things to consider: 1. Jellico essentially has to transform the Love Boat into a destroyer going into a war zone within three days. 2. There are reasons why Jellico made these changes. The Admiral has stated earlier that Jellico had prior successful negotiations with the Cardassians. They obviously know that he knows what he's doing. I feel that the Admiralty had Jellico's back on Day 1. Jellico might have made the changes on the Cairo that the Enterprise-D crew is expected to make...during the previous negotiations. 3. It's hard for me to believe that none of the senior staff ever worked with Jellico. But, is there a single member of the crew who worked with The Captain in a prior assignment? 4. In addition to a new Captain, there is also a new Chief of Security and Chief Medical Officer. We do not know a thing about those two officers--not even their names. It's possible that one (or both) of them knew Jellico on a previous assignment. They could be giving Jellico advice and support OR they could give the same advice that Picard said "give them time". The new Security Chief had to deal with a new staff, a temporary increase in staff (such as having a botanist go to security), rearranging schedules, possibly a new boss. 5. When it comes to the issue of "give us time", Jellico has stated in several moments that he doesn't have the luxury of time, for a honeymoon... He empowered both Riker and Troi to essentially do their jobs. Riker personally oversaw the training exercises. But what wasn't said, was the results of the training. Riker also didn't mention, if he did any type of personal reassurance to the crew, if they felt uneasy about the job. If Riker failed to deliver confidence to the crew, than Rikers not doing the job. Similarly, he told Troi to handle the personnel issue. He also asked Troi to discuss any of the "biggest concerns " to the Captain if needed. I supported the idea of putting Troi in a uniform. Why should she be the only senior officer to be exempt from the dress code? 6. When it comes to being closed minded, critics tend to forget that Jellico kept in touch with the Admiralty. Picard typically turned to the crew for advice, but Jellico took instructions with his bosses.. 7. Jellico did "take the time" to bond with Geordi, right before the mission. The ship was ready according to his requests.
2:16 - Yes, Jellico has a great deal of experience with the Cardassians. However, Riker saved the entire Alpha Quadrant from the Borg. I'm sure the Cardassians would be child's play for Riker.
riker wasnt willing to put picard at risk and nearly spilled the beans during negotiations if he would have been in command then there would only be two options, war or admit defeat and surrender the system/planet to the cardassians unless he would have figured out a third option
Different circumstances. Firstly, what is being discussed is a diplomatic negotiation, which is far different from a fight with the borg. Secondly, and more importantly, the borg are straightforward. They adapt, sure, but that's fundamentally reactive, not proactive, it only happens after people do unexpected plans. The Cardassians, though? They're very good at planning and scheming, and as we saw in this very story, Riker put the federation at risk of all-out war due to exactly that. If not for Jellico, the war *would* have resumed.
@@thomaszinser8714 - First of all, it's not like Riker isn't a skilled diplomat himself. Starfleet chose Jellico cause he had more experience with the Cardassians and thought Jellico would be the better choice, which I doubt he was. And Benjamin Maxwell almost showed that the Cardassians were violating the peace treaty by covertly transporting weapons, so they already had the intent on going to war. Ignoring the fact that your enemy is secretly arming for war is a strategical failure.
Riker never has the guts to accept a captain’s position of his own, then gets offended when they don’t automatically give the seat to him when Picard is away.
Creshex ACS ... He had the right to be upset or at the very least feel disrespected. He was in command during the Borg crises and he was in command when they stopped the Borg once they reached sector 001 (aka Earth space). He’s a proven combat officer and he’s worked under one of the best Captain’s in the fleet. The Admiral could have easily explained the decision without jumping to conclusions about his abilities or sounding condescending.
Uhh I'm sorry you don't just give command of the FLAGSHIP of the navy to the first officer if the captains away, yes riker is proven, but hundreds of captains across the federation are also proven and have much more experience in command then him...that how a military works
@@Tonytrekdax He has spent very little time in the captain's chair. Only an acting, keeping the chair warm for the real leader to return. There are times when that prescription works and other times when it does not. In this situation, negotiations with an aggressive, intelligent, species when he's never dealt with them or other negotiations, is not his forte.
@@slavdef He is not a dog or a 9 year old child. He was a member of Star Fleet and should have stepped up to a higher position when his level of experience was appropriate. He didn’t do that. He is like a marine who refuses to leave boot camp because he felt more comfortable there. How many people, even in our world, turn down higher ranking positions? Is there ever an cashier at Wal-Mart who turns down a chance to become a manager? Do you remember that episode where JLP almost died and Q showed him his life if he never stepped up to new challenges and took risks? Ironically, it was Riker who lectured him about why it was inappropriate for JLP to move into a command position.
Captain Jellico: "Tell Simone I'm not going to approve that girl that she sent me for the Brazilian layout. I asked for clean, athletic, smiling. She sent me dirty, tired and paunchy. and RSVP yes to the Michael Kors party. I want the driver to drop me off at 9:30 and pick me up at 9:45 sharp. Call Natalie at Glorious Foods, tell her no for the 40th time, no, I don't want dacquoise. I want tortes filled with warm rhubarb compote. Then call my ex-husband and remind him the parent-teacher conference is at Dalton tonight. Then call my husband, ask him to meet me for dinner at that place I went to with Massimo. Tell Richard I saw the pictures that he sent for that feature on the female paratroopers and they're all so deeply unattractive. Is it impossible to find a lovely, slender female paratrooper? Am I reaching for the stars here?"
When she said we need someone that has experience with the Cardassians Will should have said BUT I HAVE WATCHED ALL 25 SEASONS OF KEEPING UP WITH THE CARDASSIANS!
Its actually interesting from a timeline perspective. 0:39......she mentions the Cardassian withdrawal from Bajor. The Pilot episode of DS9 would air about two weeks or so after the Chain of Command Pt 2 episode. Its nifty actually that in this episode they had already laid the writing groundwork for the Cardassian withdrawal of Bajor. And it also means, that when we see Picard in Emissary with Sisko, he's not far off his experience as a prisoner of Gul Madred!! Triviaaaaa :D
Interesting name for the new CO if the Enterprise. Admiral of the Fleet Jellicoe was in charge of the Royal Navy’s Grand Fleet at the Battle of Jutland in 1915.
@@justice_1337 No, she's the fool. She's the perfect representation of the weak part of the Federation who is so afraid of conflict that they're willing to sign away systems full of their own citizens to a enemy they've already beaten.
@@pjmetzen3483 If fooling around on Stellaris has taught me anything, it's not that they're a threat. They just need to make it uncomfortable for the Federation to fight the war for very long by being *costly*. Notably, the Federation is - apparently, from how I recall them portrayed - adverse to taking a defensive war onto the offense. They're quite happy to defend what they see as their territory if possible, but when being the defender instead of the aggressor they don't change roles. The Dominion War was, of course, a different matter - that was an aggressive war. One which the Federation was seriously under-prepared to wage. At this point, the Federation could hold a defensive war's front line stable for a time. I won't say otherwise, but there's decidedly a fatigue over fighting a war which seeps into things. And, bluntly, I am not sure the citizens of the Federation would *support* a protracted war, while the Cardassians would be more than willing to keep a low-intensity war going if it meant they could win concessions out of it. (And, well, they did the last time...)
the actor who played nechayev would've done a good vulcan, imo. Also I don't get why people complain about her in THIS scene... she's been 10x more infuriating in many others, here she's just giving them orders. the weirdest thing is when she plays semantics with "war" and "incursion". (yeah Admiral we know there's a difference, but Riker was understandably assuming that an incursion into Federation space would mean they were ready to go to war.)
It’s no wonder why she was disliked. If she relieved me of my Starship command I would request the computer to self destruct. “If I can’t have this ship then no one can.”-Captain
I guess even the "good" Starfleet Admirals have to be arrogant, dismissive, abrasive schemers when all their peers are villainous bloodthirsty madmen with megalomaniacal plans to "save the Federation" (by starting a war with someone).
I would love to see an episode following a Starfleet Admiral that is constantly being com'ed by Captains in the field making unreasonable demands and every demand is being denied.
Along with her command skills. Pulling Capt. Jellico off of his own ship, severing him from the staff he's worked with for, what, years. Stuffing him high handedly in command of another ship where he's unknown to the senior officers and crew, this is doing him no favors.
@@larrydavison8298 Happens all the time. I was in the North Carolina National Guard, they pulled the battalion commander literally one month before the annual two-week annual training at a four-states-away location. Needless to say, the new commander had entirely different goals than the first, and the two weeks was spent running around in circles, the entire chain of command getting yelled at for not meeting objectives. People got relieved of their company command when they couldn't meet the expectations in such a short order.
This was one of those TNG episodes that was more for the performance than story. Last year Picard and Data infiltrated the Romulan home world and returned without any issues. This time Picard gets caught almost immediately. If I was Picard I would have been like, ok Gowron I need another cloaked ship. No were not going to Cardassia Prime were headed to a planet no one cares about called Celtrus III. Anything we find can be yours. Oh yeah we think the Cardassians are developing a weapon of mass destruction that could also affect the Klingon Empire. Ok Starfleet I need a few JSOC guys for an infiltration mission. Ok lets go to Celtrus III. Keep the cloaked ship in orbit. Keep a transporter lock on the team, the second there in trouble get them out of there. Mission complete. Oh yeah Necheyev has the most annoying voice. Nothing a hard punch to the face won't cure.
Despite Vice Admiral Nechaev opinions it is clear that the federation was not ready to go to war over one system and she knows it. That is why she chosen Jellico for a show of force may it be illusion.
The TNG writers have the unfortunate tendency to leave the viewer with the impression that _everyone_ in Starfleet who is not part of the Enterprise crew is totally incompetent, if not outright insane.
I was always annoyed when the Enterprise was referred to as the "flagship". The admiral should know better, since a flagship is the ship in a battle group where the admiral is, and is flying the admirals "flag". The Enterprise is neither.
"Flagship" has more than one meaning. It can also mean the best or main component of a chain of things, like a flagship store, flagship product line, etc.
@@Aeroldoth3 Yes, "flagship" means the best of something, in civilian life. But Starfleet isn't civilian, it's the Naval force of the Federation. If the Enterprise is the "flagship", then what do you call the ship in the fleet which carries the commanding admiral? Granted, Starfleet is to the Navy what Guitar Hero is to playing the guitar. Apparently, Chief O'Brian is the only enlisted person in all of Starfleet.
@@DJ_Force I think the problem is that exactly what Starfleet is, is the problem. It's not exactly military, it's not exactly civilian. In fact, as I think about this, I cant' recall any ship from any other "race" ever being called a flagship. Did we ever see the Cardassian flagship, Klingon flagship, Romulan flagship? I think the only time I've ever heard it used in the show was about the Enterprise, not even for any race, as you say when carrying an admiral.
@@AudaciousAce1989 More than one of them got blown up, even. We know that Yamato was blown up by the Iconians, and that Odyssey was kamikaze'd by the Jem'hadar, and I'm pretty sure we see a number of other Galaxy-class ships take their lumps throughout the Dominion War.
My god why are all admirals so fkin callous. Nyechev could of made this a significantly smoother transition had she taken, I don't know, maybe 30 more seconds to properly explain the situation and actually listen to the answers to the questions SHE ASKED. Instead she abruptly relieves Picard of command and insults the first officer several times in her own debriefing. This is a guy that lead The Enterprise during the Borg threat and accomplished the impossible. You're gonna look him in the eye after cutting him off and tell him he isn't good enough and you honestly expect things to go well afterwards? Jesus.
Honestly, Will was way out of line in these episodes. He got too used to being obeyed by his organisms. But being able to play fast and loose with his authority figures. Jellico Is is a professional and competent officer, and honestly, probably one of the best pictures of a captain star trek ever gave us outside of the main cast. Hes obviously somebody with military background and poise. He runs a tight ship and he expects excellence. Will got too comfortable with how things were going and was not ready to adapt to how things needed to be under a new command. While it was certainly not one of his most well known roles. I honestly love Ronnie Cox as Jellico. On rewatch, i think he made a fine captain.
You can see in this clip that his real beef was not being allowed as default to take command of the ship, that he would have to be reporting to another captain. It did not matter who that captain was, could've been anyone, he would've had the same attitude of contempt for that person.
What's worse is she doesn't have the courage of her own convictions. People will follow you through hell, if they believe you care about them and you believe it is worth the price. The same people will abandon you at the first opportunity if they think you are a self-serving coward.
@@attiepollard7847 A serious mission is all the more reason to be on speaking terms with your new crew and ship. Look up Crew Resource Management if you don't know why.
@@jasonvignola5968 It was NOT her decision, this came down from the Federation Council. Starfleet officers can plead their case but ultimately the shots come from the very top and need to be followed.
So, Picard is wearing his casual, open-jacket look. How did he make this decision? Factors pushing the dress code toward "more formal": 1) formal meeting in staff room, 2) important issue, 3) important guest participating, 4) first time seeing important guest at least for this visit, 5) important guest is a superior officer. Factors pushing the dress code toward "less formal": 1) Picard felt like it.
Good thing she said no offence. Otherwise Riker may have been offended.
She probably misunderstood, too. I think Riker was more concerned about Picard not coming back than his own ego.
Ah Admiral, nobody Likes seeing her.
Good thing he said "all due respect". Otherwise she might have felt disrespected.
He shouldn’t have been offended, though. They aren’t giving him control over the situation not because he wouldn’t make a great captain, but because they need someone experienced in this area for the few days this event is going to take. This wasn’t meant to be a permanent reassignment, and Jellico was the best pick for this short timeframe. From her viewpoint, this is what the Vice Admiral was informing Riker when she stated her simple line.
@@LittleZbot What she is trying to do may make sense in the big picture, but how she informs Riker is cleverly arranged by the writers to be offensive.
Starting from the top allows the command crew to be less confused. "Based on reports from intelligence, time is of the essence here. Starfleet is bringing in the person most experienced with negotiating with the Cardassians to lead the mission, Captain Jellico of the Cairo. This allows Picard to be reassigned to a different critical mission that I cannot discuss with you. Unfortunately, the Cairo cannot be spared at the moment, so putting Captain Jellico command of the Enterprise gives him the right aura of authority to impress the Cardassians. I am sorry to inform you like this, and I know this is not a perfect plan, but we are making compromising because of time pressure. I am glad that you are on hand, Riker, to smooth over any difficulties with such a sudden transition."
I know it's because they're the main characters and need to be involved, but there's something really funny about watching a ship's captain and a *doctor* preparing for a covert ops mission. It's so silly.
I know right. Someone with half their experience and half their age would still be twice as effective.
IKR!? I did not think about it at the time when i first watched this episode back in the day.But looking back this operation had "epic fail " waiting to happen written all over it.Nechayev would have been better off taking the extra time to first contact Star Fleet Intelligence.Then get experienced agents maybe some cardassian citizen agents if at all possible.THEN commandeer the Cairo or whichever ship was available at the time to rendezvous with the Enterprise.Which should have acted as their mobile staging area.Picard,his officers,and crew should have been regulated to a support role.In position to act and quickly evacuate the spy team if things went wrong during the mission.
That just hit me as I was watching. Let's send a couple 50 somethings in there who don't train for covert ops.
Data was physically and emotionally better equipped.
@@stevengreen9536 Yeah I’m pretty sure the captain of a battleship or aircraft carrier doesn’t accompany a Navy Seal team on an operation.
The captain and the doctor being on this mission is absurd.
Unless it was all just a setup to begin with.
This is what Section 31 (which does not exist) is supposed to be for.
It's a nod to the original series, and a concession to the reality that nobody wants to see officers do what officers actually do - give orders and shuffle paperwork.
Obviously the biggest thing is that Starfleet has no Space Marines. Every Navy in history has had a shipboard infantry contingent for away missions, and they'd be the ones clearing the beam-in area, followed by the science teams. Friggin' Starfleet sends the science teams first and they get blasted.
For how much Picard went against the Federation council, it's not surprising they would try to send him on a mission with high probability of failure
When ur suddenly reminded that the fleet doesn't just flounce around the universe and what rank means.
I was about to say the same thing. Riker in particular handled this badly. Jellico was a good Captain, yes he wasn't Picard, yes he had his faults like any Man...but overall I thought he handled himself pretty well. Not all Captains can be Picard, and it's unfair to expect that. If Picard had seen what we saw, he'd have said that too. After all he spent years serving under officers just like Jellico, which explains why he was a bit stuffy when he got to the Enterprise. The others were too busy trying to compromise him, hoping to find some excuse to get rid of him so they could pull a Kirk and go after "their Captain" even if it caused a war. Only Hollywood would think that was proper behavior.
I know part of that is the writers fault. They had a clear idea about what they wanted in this episode and part of that was the change in command and how the crew reacted to it.
It might have worked better if they, Riker especially, had acknowledged their own shortcomings under Jellico and thus becoming a better crew for Picard.
It can be argued that Starfleet made a bad call by relieving Picard so suddenly. Then to throw a lobotomized crew into action with an unfamiliar captain was an even worse call. They would have done better to brevet Jellico a Commodore and left him command of Cairo as well as the detachment as a whole. It would have left him with two crews that internally worked well and were proven. The manner in which Picard, not to mention Crusher and Worf, were unceremoniously cut from their posts seemed designed to provoke resentment from Enterprise's crew. That's how you foment mutiny.
That's why Borg is so much better. No male, female, this race, that race. Political correctness at its best. They are all equal. All drones. And they have better tech also.
@@michaelheath2866 they were already a good crew to start with considering they manned the Federations flagship.
@@lepolhart3242 I didn't say they weren't a good crew, but they did get better I think after this experience.
Jelico: How many Duty Watches does the crew stand?
Riker: We currently operate a three shift rotation.
Jelico: I want to start a four shift rotation starting tonight and I want it staffed entirely by ED209.
Riker: Very good Sir, it'll be a tough sell but I'll run it by the department heads.
"Department heads, change to a four shift rotation. You have twenty seconds to comply!"
The Admiralty would all be Borg Drones right now if not for Riker and she's acting like he's a wide eyed cadet still wet behind the ears.
William Costigan well in their defense Riker proved that every time he has command something goes bad. Except for the borg incident.
This isn't the Borg, though. It's the Cardassians. Which Jellico understands much better than Riker.
@@Mark-xh8md and I don't think Starfleet was incorrect for making that call.
@@dhinton1 - I was about to write a long, detailed, reply asking why you would want someone inexperienced to handle what could quite easily escalate to full-scale war...........until I noticed the "don't" in front of "think", and it all fell apart.
So now I'm writing this long-winded rant to appreciate someone else looking at this logically :D
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Man, Nechayev was in this, too. They picked the right actress and character to start this off on this note. On point performance, she was always spot on.
We need to send a special forces team behind enemy lines to gather information, who should go?
An elderly man, a doctor that's never held a weapon, and a Klingon that can't control himself.
Dr. Crusher has held and used phasers before. See for example "Best of Both Worlds" part 1. She's a pretty good shot too.
Admiral: "I'm relieving you of command of the enterprise Picard"
Picard: "... have you ever felt scalding hot Earl Grey to the face?"
Lol
he may not have burned her but I think we all know where he shoved her com badge... Sadly she did not have time for Crusher to pull it out before her meeting in the next scene.
it is so strange that no one realized she did not have one on when filming.
She's a big meanie!
computer, tea... earl grey... scalding.
@@maddslothii2532 that missing combadge is hilarious.
Whenever Necheyev shows up on your ship, you know that shits about to get real fucked up real fucking fast.
She’s given Picard a headache more than once, told Sisko that the Maquis were a hapless bunch of nobodies and he should just deal with them. I’ll bet Janeway sodded off 70,000 light years to fly through Borg infested space rather than host Necheyev on Voyager. She’s so frosty that even Kirk wouldn’t have slept with her and she’d have kicked Archers dog. The woman was a curse!
"I didn't say 'war,' Commander."
Great Moments in Hairsplitting.
@Thelondonbadger As far as unfitness for command is concerned, Nechayev puts everyone else in the shade. Well, everyone else except Janeway, and perhaps Archer.
@@wilverbal .. and Troi, and Ensign Kim...
... and Wesley, and Commodore Decker...
She did not like Riker and it is evident.
Hardly. Semantics is incredibly important in communication.
@@jeffreychongsathien an incursion is an act of war, so it wasn't "incredibly important" for Nechayev to act like Riker misunderstood what she'd said.
If the armistice Captain Edward Jellico brokered looked anything like the peace treaty that established the DMZ, then I would hardly consider that a bright spot on his resume.
@DriftZ TwoSeven 'gentle' huh, tell that to the Klingons, Romulans, Dominion and Borg
Ikr!? I mean whose bright idea was it to have an entire region of space under no one's control!? If you did that in Star Wars the crime syndicates and bounty hunters would shout YAHOO!!! Because you basically gave them a defacto lawless zone where they can setup shop and do as they plz.Black Sun,Boba Fett, and the Hutts raise whine glasses to toast Captain Jelleco. 😛
@DriftZ TwoSeven it's only the same plot armour that makes whatever the enemy of the week is so fearsome though, just so the underdog heroes somehow defeating them is that much more impressive. And as soon as that enemy IS defeated whatever next one comes along is gonna be bigger and badder and scarier than the last, and whatever the heroes have learned from fighting the previous one or any weapon or technique that was effective there will either no longer matter at all, suddenly somehow no longer be applicable for some made-up-out-of-nowhere reason, or not be nearly AS effective. Star Trek is far from the only franchise to have this annoying contrived theme or the worst perpetrators of it, they're certainly nowhere near as bad as Stargate SG-1, Doctor Who or Dragonball Z for example, but it IS still there and annoying nonetheless
@DriftZ TwoSeven and while what you've said there is nonetheless true I still think calling the Federation and people like Captain Kirk or Captain Sisko "gentle" is a bit much
@DriftZ TwoSeven Technically... the only thing that keept Romulans from invading Federation was Earth's alliance with Klingon Empire because not even such military power house as Romulan Star Empire was powerful enough to wage a war on two fronts...
What senator Kinsey's doing on the Enterprise?!
Probably up to no good.
SG-1 ftw 😁
Man, I wish Richard Dean Anderson made a guest appearance on TNG.
@@absboodoo uss-theurgy.com/w/images/b/ba/5_anderson-richard-dean_A.png :D
swiety1981 lol, but I want that Jack O'Neill sarcastic humor to come in Vulcan form though.
@@absboodoo Teal'c would make a great Vulcan
Watching this clip, it hit me that Jelico didn't ask for anything unreasonable. It's just that Riker was extremely comfortable as virtually the second captain.
Riker was always an insubordinate and unprofessional officer. He usually got away with his behavior because Picard and his other previous CO's liked him personally. However, his resentment at getting passed over eliminated his charm, and all jellico saw was an insubordinate officer whose lack of professionalism blinded him to the larger picture.
@@ryanarment5393 he refused 2 commands before this point
@@ryanarment5393 Riker *chose* to remain on the _Enterprise_ .
Jellico is actually a very effective and responsible commanding officer. I see Riker in the wrong with most of this episode. He let his ego rule him when Jellico was quite qualified for what he was doing and how
@@JettMann8 no he isn't. he is very ineffective. and Riker points that out. he will never get the best out of his crew only what is nessecary
I had an old manager who was like Picard. He was replaced with a new one who was like Jellico. I left the company shortly afterwards. Riker was right: serving under a manager like that who doesn't trust his team to do its job brings no joy and does not inspire loyalty.
Riker is unfit for command as shown by Rascals..Unfit.
While Jelicho might have had a different style compared to Picard, he was the new CO and Riker should be professional enough to know that each CO has their own style and maybe be open to learning something different from them. Riker was given three assignments: set up a four watch system (an upheaval, but not an impossible task for an experienced XO), have readiness reports from the department heads, and set a briefing with the senior staff. Assuming this was done in their morning, say around 1000hrs, that would give him at least three hours to reassign people, adjust the duty schedule, and tell department heads to write a standard report that can be short and concise. At the same time, Jelicho is a bit tight on the reigns, but he is under the gun and doesn't have a lot of time. Their conflict was a great addition to the story because they both had learned from each other. Hurrah character development!
Three hours to redistribute six hundred people, have department heads file reports AND get a major overhaul done while in complete chaos and have him sort through all reports last second all with an asshole boss instead of a leader
@@starfleetcaptain5413 Jellico had three days to turn the Enterprise into a warship. Switching everyone to a four-shift rotation means people only work 6 hours at a time, meaning they have more time to rest.
@@bellgrandassuming they were able to solve the personnel issues Riker mentioned.
Riker may have been uncomfortable, but he was never not professional.
He wanted to discuss the personnel situation, but Jelico flipped out on him like a typical man-baby.
"No offense commander, that's not you" And they wonder why Riker never wanted his own command.
I guess saving the Federation from the Borg doesn't mean shit anymore.
@@Redshirt434 But that's not fighting Cardassians who are a very different enemy.
@@Redshirt434 That was one action. Just doing one celebratory action does not warrant getting you an automatic promotion. It's a series of jobs being done. In this case, Riker's next step was to take command of a lesser vessel to take independent control of a ship, but he refused to do that.
I always equated the Cardassian wars as a very small scale, but brutal undeclared war, that was so far from the core of Federation space, than the average citizen, much less the flagship of the Federation never gave it a thought, especially since the Enterprise was always involved in the return of the Romulan Empire's return as a galactic superpower, which was more urgent, not to mention the Borg threat.
Rikers face when he realizes that that woman is so addicted to the sound of her own voice she won’t even let someone answer the question she’s just asked without interrupting them
This is no time for lollygagging and making friends this is a potential war that's going to happen. Everybody needs to be on alert
Doesn't change the fact that she didn't let Riker finish answering the question.
@@Saiyanprince1114 she doesn't have too when she is done talkin you're dismissed.
Military is a dictatorship not a Democracy. "We follow orders or people die."
@@attiepollard7847 We're thinking different scenes. She didn't dismiss him; she asked a question and then talked over his answer
by the time jellico was done giving orders to riker i already forgot the first half lol
For real! How could anyone remember all that?
@@slavdefA pen and paper. Seriously, an XO should be prepared to take notes because it's literally his job to execute the Captain's orders.
Throughout the scene we saw her and the Admiral never had a combadge
Always bugged me how on Yesterday's Enterprise Castillo went around without one (or the Starfleet logo if that wasn't a comm badge yet).
she wasn't actually a Star Fleet Admiral, she was a spy, that's why she was a dumbass throughout always trying to sabotage the enterprise.
@@AhsokaTanoTheWhite I never saw anything indicating she was a spy
@@IrishCarney the Enterprise C had recently been attacked. Several people were walking around with messed up uniforms. I can let that one slide.
@@sokagofferenginar8669 Things are just more complicated than they were in your day Jim. You Centennials and your naivety.
Jellicle cats need jellicle ships.
Get out.
ty Mike! continuing why Riker takes orders with a grain of salt. excellent choice!
For the need to have the most qualified personnel, they don't have commandos for the ground mission?
Nope, the Federation council would not allow it. Remember a lot of intellectual pacifist members in the Federation who will only allow for minimal level of defense capabilities. Commandos would not be defensive and they would intellectually destroy anyone on the floor opposing that philosophy.
0:30 Admiral Nechayev: "I'm here to relieve you from command of the Enterprise!"
Picard: "Damn. She's really one Admiral Bitchayev!"
Riker: So, we're a crew that's known each other for years and works together well--
Admiral: UP YOURS YOU GET A NEW CAPTAIN WOO LOOKIT ME THROW MY RANK AROUND WOOOOO
Aaaand the Enterprise was the flagship of the Federation, which could very well soon be leading the Fleet in an all-out-war against the Cardassians. Jellico had experience dealing with them. Riker (and Picard to a lesser degree) didn't. Would you want the med student performing your heart surgery, or an experienced heart surgeon?
@@Mark-xh8md As I vaguely recall, the Federation nearly shot itself in the foot in the first place by throwing Picard into a trap specifically baited for him. Great call, Admiralty. How many lights are there?
They seem to have a host of bad/rogue admirals. There's this example, and that one from Insurrection. How many else?
admiral Haftel, who tries to, lets say, kidnap Lal. Ross (ds9) coop with section 31 could be seen as a little bit shady. admiral jameson (the one with his youth drug). Leyton (ds9) tries to overthrow earths government with help of red sqaud, and orders the Lakota to attack the Defiant
pretty sure there are some more :)
To be fair, in the Navy, we have to adjust to new COs all the time. Honestly I’m this situation, Jelico wasn’t a bad Captain. The senior staff were just being a pain because of script. The whole Riker subplot was weak imo
Data sitting their thinking i could do a better job blind folded and bound to chair than who ever you have in mind lady
And the Enterprise crew : " How dare you to treat us like any other Starfleet crew? We are the motherfu..ing Enterprise"
🤣🤣🤣
It's almost like they're in the navy or something, and they're expected to act like naval officers.
Four shift rotation? The nerve!
admiral nichiev is a thorn in Sisco's side as well..
she doesnt sound unreasonable, just goes pretty hard on her subordinate.
IMO she was bitchier with Sisko than with Picard..
She was far from the worst admiral that Sisko had to deal with, but then I can only think of one admiral who wasn’t a pain in his ass.
@@nicholasavasthi9879 Yeah William J. Ross was cool, even if he was sympathetic to section 31.
Amazing how the Dominion simulation of a corrupt Starfleet captured her frustrating personality so beautifully.
Admiral Nechayev should have been demoted to ensign for dreaming up this mission.
The Cardassians/Obsidian order fed her a series of false leads about metagenics and she dreamed up a mission.
She risked the lives of three very important people, one being the captain of the flagship of starfleet.
I real life it would have been instant career death.
In TNG she appears again in future episodes as a fleet admiral. i.e. She got promoted!
damn didnt consider that until now
but in the end it was a "W" for the Federation so
its all good
Stan Theman excellent Stan, may I suggest a career with the Obsidian Order for you? 🙂
Yep. The Peter Principle in action.
So the Federation is ruled by incompetent higher ups and the only competent's are the lower ranks. Interesting theory!
@@blackpanther50 aka Captain Maxwell
Even though the crew of the Enterprise is the best this scene does reveal how even unbeknownst to Picard his crew has been spoiled by him and even himself. That look on Riker's face after the new caption issued all those bellman orders to him was 'oh yeah, i forgot, that's my job too'. To Worf complaining like a kid to Picard that he turned up the difficulty level, to you can just almost see Beverly just itching to use one of her 'but caption' cards to get what she wants. To the look on Picard's face when he was handed down by the Admiral with very little regard. But all that is what is to be expected when wearing the uniform. So much just in this scene alone.
I never could stand Robert Kinsey. How he survived to the 24th century to become a Star Fleet Captain, I'll never know. Sneaky bastard.
He's a Goa'uld!
Goauld have long life spans . His symbiot helped him survive gunshot wounds and his fall from the OCP building as well as the atmosphere on Mars during his time as Governor there
@@Richard121277 Shit, you're right! He must have beamed off the Al'kesh before it was destroyed!
Jelly Eddie seemed nicer than I remember there, just straight to the point!!!!
Vice-Admiral Karen would like to speak to your Captain.
I dont get it.
@@Aeroldoth3 a Karen is an entitled middle aged woman, versed in the arts of serial complaint
@@waharadome
Thank you. I don't suppose you know of a "source" to better understand the term?
@@Aeroldoth3 Urban dictionary is nice for that
@@Aeroldoth3 KnowYourMeme would be a good one too, it's a broad concept.
Keep up with the Cardassians.
@1:12
"I hope we won't have to make that decision"
That is not an answer.
Proper planning and preparation for any major undertaking is to have answers ready ahead of encountering an issue, especially a likely issue.
Knowing that war is a strong possibility, and yet not knowing what you would do in the event of that strong possibility, for such a serious issue, is insane.
The admiral seems to prefer having to "wing it" when the crisis hits, and make a rushed decision under pressure, rather than a well thought out decision while time permits.
Maybe it was the intention of the writers to show incompetence of personnel at executive levels?
And the new Captain (Jelico?) is typical of how many new-hired executives drive personnel crazy, just to make the statement that there is a new sheriff in town. That is a strong indication that it is about their vanity and desire for power, rather than what is best for the business, and should be used by their boss to remove them before they destroy morale.
You want smart people to be in charge -- not tyrants. Not that they should be a push-over. But if they are going to make things difficult for their staff, it should be done because it is necessary, and not because they want to do so just to prove that they have the power to do so. Personnel should not be forced to jump through hoops simply because you can order it.
1.) In the seen necheyev(or however you spell her name) is only a vice admiral, the decision to go to war is not up to her, but to the federation president (or whoever is actually in charge of declaring war). It's possible a decision has been made and she wasn't told, however I feel it's more likely the federation wants too see how it all plays out, regardless her mission won't change if the federation is willing to go to war or not, so she has no need to tell the enterprise even if she knew
2.) As for jellico he is trying to put a more militaristic approach to command, which isn't a bad idea since Picard is VERY relaxed, especially since the enterprise is the flagship
@@thomashewes5924 1) Granted, the decision of going to war is not up to her. But at her executive level (she is very high up in the food chain), she should know the answer. And if she feels it is not for publication, then she should say that it is classified. She should not convey that she does not know.
2) Jellico is an example of a boss that makes the work environment inhospitable. I am not suggesting that the staff be pampered. But the staff should not be treated like tools and numbers on a spreadsheet. That results in stress, requests for transfers (losing people that know the ins and outs of the ship's intricacies), and a lack of enthusiasm by the staff. They stop looking out for each other, and start to look out for their own behinds. They end up doing only enough to keep their jobs, until they find greener pastures.
@@NoEgg4u 1.)true however she is not conveying any information, she says that she hopes they wont have to make a decision. And if she said it was classified she would have been revealing information more than saying what she did, as that would imply a descension has been made.
2.) War is by nature inhospitable, and the crew of the enterprise is completely I'll equiped for war, in the military (which is what kind of ship the enterprise would be if there was war) you have to push your crew, in the beginning is be hard but they'd get used to it
@@thomashewes5924 but by not sayign wart, actually shying away from it didn't help. and Jelico pushed to hard.
@@Revkor I don't think the problem was that jellico pushed to hard, data himself said that his orders were reasonable (though it's data so...). I think the problem was that he wasn't Picard. The crew didn't know him so they didn't trust him when he started pushing them outside their comfort zone, I'm sure that if Picard had ordered it there would have been no complaints, at the end of the day jellico needed better communication skills, and that's where he failed
Admiral Nechayev: “Commander Riker, Elizabeth Shelby is my niece, I hate you, dismissed.” (not really but would explain a great deal...)
Yeah, but then why was she so mean to Captain Sisko?
@Emperor Ssraeshza Ha! Q himself noticed how the beard changed Riker.
@@CaptainSeato, excellent question. Perhaps a bad experience in New Orleans, at Sisko's Creole Kitchen?
Emperor Ssraeshza That would maker the opposite of mean.
Can we aprciate these actors just once in a while? to me this was outstanding acting.
2:48 I wonder if maximum difficulty featured pits of lava, poisonous bats, and a cave monster?
Maybe!
But a long with increased difficulty,comes better treasure!😅
Riker's eye roll made his whole body roll. That was excellent!
And then Riker proceeds to carry out none of those orders for a whole day 😅
If we have to have Enterprise crew on that covet mission Riker, Worf and Data make a 1000x more sense than the two geriatrics. Didn’t Starfleet have marines for situations like this?
At my old job we got a new boss like that and he started having us do damn near twice the work. The that same week when he denied my demand for a raise i quit on the spot. Almost immediately i found a better paying job with less work, let me tell you that guy was one of the best things that could have happened lol!
Senator Robert Kinsey always brings trouble.
She never had any integrity throughout her appearances. She always struck me as a traitor. She never made a decision that was in the best interest of the Federation.
@Emperor Ssraeshza You obviously missed the reference - it was a joke. Maybe you should google the line.
How was sending the Enterprise to the border and placing an experienced captain in command of her not in the best interests of the Federation?
@@ronin3381 In the Admiral's own words, she is hoping to avoid an incursion through diplomatic negotiation. She then does what we can only surmise is outside of normal practice by assigning Jellico to command Enterprise. We know this because Data shows surprise in this move whereas Riker and Troi are absolutely stunned by the move. Worse, Jellico is not a diplomat, he states that he is not in the episode. But, we are told he handled the most recent diplomatic interactions in the area with the Cardassians. It must be noted the Federation did that negotiation from a position of strength having win the Federation Cardassian War.
It is silly to not inform Riker, Troi and Data of the subterfuge of Picard, Crusher and Worf being sent on a mission and that Jellico is only a temporary captain.
But, as much as I like Jellico, he shows he is a poor choice for the job when he is obviously lusting after the Enterprise, which is a huge step up from the Cairo in prestige. He has to know what is going and hints that he does in his banter with Riker later on. yet, he acts like an only child on Christmas Morning.
It would have been better and more threatening to the Cardassians if Riker retained command of the Enterprise and Jellico stayed on board the Cairo. Jellico would meet the Cardassians on the Enterprise to discuss the situation and it would be somewhat neutral turf for both delegations. The Enterprise is well-fitted for holding such meetings, as it has done so many times in the past.
As for what was in the best interest of the Federation. It was not the showdown between the Enterprise and the Cardassian but rather finding out about the banned weapons material through the Picard strike team. The Enterprise was fly paper, pinning and holding the Cardassians attention while Picard's team found the weapon.
@@cadengrace5466 The Federation never won that war. It was a stalemate. A truce is what stopped the war.
When Star Fleet acts like a Military it goes hard 😎
I dont understand why they didnt send in some special forces unit. They didn't three officers from the flagship to blow something up.
Let's send a manager and a doctor on a dangerous black ops mission. But no worries, we made sure there's also a fighter in the party.
They sent Picard cuz it was something that he knew.
Unfortunately, the Cardassians set him up to capture him specifically.
Yeah, that was dumb.
and thats why the elite force exists in the future. not canon but thats probably why it should.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have special forces exist. No need to send the captain of Starfleets flagship, her chief of security and chief medical officer.
THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS!
great episode!
Proof positive that the Federation Government has a spine of butter. We see more of that in DS-9.
Democracies often do.
This is why I like the war races. Romulans, Klingons, and the Cardassians. Sure they have diplomacy, only when they have or can get the upper hand
@@Yroko What's so sad is the Federation of the 23th century (TOS) didn't mess around. Yes you had some wastes of skin (like a certain commissioner) but for the most part, the TOS Federation played hardball.
@@ianchapman6254 different times. The biggest factions were the Romulans and Klingons. There was very little room for peace, and to show weakness to these 2 ment ur dead. So Kirk and co along with most of the federation had to play hard ball cause they were still a young faction in the alpha quadrant.
The Federations root problem was the Cardassians knew they wouldn’t go to war over one system. They’d hem and haw, gather opinions, negotiate, seek a peaceful solution and ultimately do nothing. What the Federation needed was a massive mobilisation to show they would respond. If the Cardassians knew the Federation would react they’d never dare try anything. Most of the border problems would vanish without Starfleet firing a shot.
That was the issue in many TNG episodes. The Romulan who survived a crash or storm after setting up a spy station inside federation territory was handed over without being executed much less interrogated, imprisoned, or even an apology from the Romulans. It was all the Romulans whining about how "you better not mistreat our spy!" and Picard and the Enterprise just hand him over. It was all done in an attempt to mend relations but this was Gene Roddenberry's attempt to show what should be done in real life politics. Never forget that most of the political actions done in this show are from a socialist's ideas.
@@spasjt Pffft he was lucky he was not a spy on twentieth century Earth.Out of uniform and not marching under the banner of an internationally recognized country.Depending on which country or nation you were caught in.Fifty fifty chance your ass is grass.
Imagine if they had a fleet the size of wolf359 that would give the cardassians pause for thought
@@stevengreen9536 Absolutely. DS9 gave Star Trek some real teeth with tricking the Romulans into the war. That's why it's my favorite series.
@@Trapsarentgay133 What is wolf359 ?
The actress who plays the admiral is great. She tore Picard a new one when he didn’t deploy that computer virus against the Borg. I would follow her into battle ⚔️
She's actually kinda terrible though. Her approach to the marquis was woeful.
@@tisFrancesfault True.
@@tisFrancesfault Her approach to the Maquis was to establish a dialogue with them and try to remind them that they are still Federation citizens. While this strategy is perhaps somewhat naive and optimistic, it isn’t necessary a bad one.
She's a cold hard bitch. I'd yodel in her frigid valley.
Such a brilliant, ballsy episode. The kind of show that Discovery and Picard just cannot be.
"I'm a doctor, Jim, not a commando!"
As a kid, the reluctance it made perfect sense to me that Riker and the other senior officers reacted badly to the changes in the ship's command structure and the hardass quality of Captain Jellico: He and Admiral Nechayev were were outsiders messing with the status quo! But as an adult, it's amazing how unprofessional the Enterprise senior staff look here.
Neither Admiral Nechayev nor Captain Jellico did anything remotely out of line. Nechayev in particular went above and beyond to be tactful in her efforts to keep things moving along in the midst of the senior staff's disorientation. If I were in her position and Riker hit me with the "With all due respect" line, I'd tell him to think carefully about how he finishes that sentence. Commanders do not make galactic policy, and if an admiral indulges them in conversation on policy matters, that's a privilege. In this scene, Riker was speaking to the face of Starfleet Command with all the petulance of a spoiled child. Jellico was right to eventually relieve him.
And Jellico, for his part: Well, he certainly was tone-deaf to the human element--which arguably compromises him as a starship captain--but procedurally all he did in this scene was give Riker orders of the sort that are exactly in an executive officer's wheelhouse. (Riker: "You mean we actually have to do our jobs this week?!?! O_o")
I'm not one of those people who conceives of Starfleet as a military organization, but this goes beyond failures of military-grade discipline and gets into the realm of flat-out lack of professionalism.
There are problems with Jellico.
He told LaForge to do major adjustments in a short time and took a third of his engineering group away to do security protocols. He increased to 4 shifts a day without additional crewmen. Or taking them from other jobs to build a gap at that position like engineering.
You can do 4x6 hours rotation by decreasing the recreation time or by adding more crew.
Crew does work better with the right motivation. Jellico didn't do anything to motivate. And I could go on.
@@larsradtke4097 I think all the 'problems' that Jellico exhibited were because he was yanked off his own ship, tossed into another, and ordered to prep it for possible war within a very short time-frame. I agree completely with Josh, both in my opinion on first viewing when younger and on subsequent viewing when older.
@@dave29123
Seven things to consider:
1. Jellico essentially has to transform the Love Boat into a destroyer going into a war zone within three days.
2. There are reasons why Jellico made these changes. The Admiral has stated earlier that Jellico had prior successful negotiations with the Cardassians. They obviously know that he knows what he's doing. I feel that the Admiralty had Jellico's back on Day 1. Jellico might have made the changes on the Cairo that the Enterprise-D crew is expected to make...during the previous negotiations.
3. It's hard for me to believe that none of the senior staff ever worked with Jellico. But, is there a single member of the crew who worked with The Captain in a prior assignment?
4. In addition to a new Captain, there is also a new Chief of Security and Chief Medical Officer. We do not know a thing about those two officers--not even their names. It's possible that one (or both) of them knew Jellico on a previous assignment. They could be giving Jellico advice and support OR they could give the same advice that Picard said "give them time". The new Security Chief had to deal with a new staff, a temporary increase in staff (such as having a botanist go to security), rearranging schedules, possibly a new boss.
5. When it comes to the issue of "give us time", Jellico has stated in several moments that he doesn't have the luxury of time, for a honeymoon...
He empowered both Riker and Troi to essentially do their jobs. Riker personally oversaw the training exercises. But what wasn't said, was the results of the training. Riker also didn't mention, if he did any type of personal reassurance to the crew, if they felt uneasy about the job. If Riker failed to deliver confidence to the crew, than Rikers not doing the job.
Similarly, he told Troi to handle the personnel issue. He also asked Troi to discuss any of the "biggest concerns " to the Captain if needed. I supported the idea of putting Troi in a uniform. Why should she be the only senior officer to be exempt from the dress code?
6. When it comes to being closed minded, critics tend to forget that Jellico kept in touch with the Admiralty. Picard typically turned to the crew for advice, but Jellico took instructions with his bosses..
7. Jellico did "take the time" to bond with Geordi, right before the mission. The ship was ready according to his requests.
2:16 - Yes, Jellico has a great deal of experience with the Cardassians. However, Riker saved the entire Alpha Quadrant from the Borg. I'm sure the Cardassians would be child's play for Riker.
riker wasnt willing to put picard at risk and nearly spilled the beans during negotiations
if he would have been in command then there would only be two options, war or admit defeat and surrender the system/planet to the cardassians unless he would have figured out a third option
@@suqmadique9762, it's Riker with Data supporting him. A 3rd option would've been figured out.
@@arcadion448 that's the magic of plot armor.
Different circumstances. Firstly, what is being discussed is a diplomatic negotiation, which is far different from a fight with the borg. Secondly, and more importantly, the borg are straightforward. They adapt, sure, but that's fundamentally reactive, not proactive, it only happens after people do unexpected plans. The Cardassians, though? They're very good at planning and scheming, and as we saw in this very story, Riker put the federation at risk of all-out war due to exactly that. If not for Jellico, the war *would* have resumed.
@@thomaszinser8714 - First of all, it's not like Riker isn't a skilled diplomat himself. Starfleet chose Jellico cause he had more experience with the Cardassians and thought Jellico would be the better choice, which I doubt he was. And Benjamin Maxwell almost showed that the Cardassians were violating the peace treaty by covertly transporting weapons, so they already had the intent on going to war. Ignoring the fact that your enemy is secretly arming for war is a strategical failure.
Riker never has the guts to accept a captain’s position of his own, then gets offended when they don’t automatically give the seat to him when Picard is away.
Creshex ACS ... He had the right to be upset or at the very least feel disrespected. He was in command during the Borg crises and he was in command when they stopped the Borg once they reached sector 001 (aka Earth space). He’s a proven combat officer and he’s worked under one of the best Captain’s in the fleet. The Admiral could have easily explained the decision without jumping to conclusions about his abilities or sounding condescending.
Uhh I'm sorry you don't just give command of the FLAGSHIP of the navy to the first officer if the captains away, yes riker is proven, but hundreds of captains across the federation are also proven and have much more experience in command then him...that how a military works
@@Tonytrekdax He has spent very little time in the captain's chair. Only an acting, keeping the chair warm for the real leader to return. There are times when that prescription works and other times when it does not. In this situation, negotiations with an aggressive, intelligent, species when he's never dealt with them or other negotiations, is not his forte.
It wasn't a lack of guts. He loved the Enterprise. It was his home and he didn't want to leave it.
@@slavdef He is not a dog or a 9 year old child. He was a member of Star Fleet and should have stepped up to a higher position when his level of experience was appropriate. He didn’t do that. He is like a marine who refuses to leave boot camp because he felt more comfortable there. How many people, even in our world, turn down higher ranking positions? Is there ever an cashier at Wal-Mart who turns down a chance to become a manager?
Do you remember that episode where JLP almost died and Q showed him his life if he never stepped up to new challenges and took risks? Ironically, it was Riker who lectured him about why it was inappropriate for JLP to move into a command position.
Where’s Nechayev’s comm badge?
Captain Jellico: "Tell Simone I'm not going to approve that girl that she sent me for the Brazilian layout. I asked for clean, athletic, smiling. She sent me dirty, tired and paunchy. and RSVP yes to the Michael Kors party. I want the driver to drop me off at 9:30 and pick me up at 9:45 sharp. Call Natalie at Glorious Foods, tell her no for the 40th time, no, I don't want dacquoise. I want tortes filled with warm rhubarb compote. Then call my ex-husband and remind him the parent-teacher conference is at Dalton tonight. Then call my husband, ask him to meet me for dinner at that place I went to with Massimo. Tell Richard I saw the pictures that he sent for that feature on the female paratroopers and they're all so deeply unattractive. Is it impossible to find a lovely, slender female paratrooper? Am I reaching for the stars here?"
When she said we need someone that has experience with the Cardassians Will should have said BUT I HAVE WATCHED ALL 25 SEASONS OF KEEPING UP WITH THE CARDASSIANS!
Its actually interesting from a timeline perspective. 0:39......she mentions the Cardassian withdrawal from Bajor. The Pilot episode of DS9 would air about two weeks or so after the Chain of Command Pt 2 episode. Its nifty actually that in this episode they had already laid the writing groundwork for the Cardassian withdrawal of Bajor. And it also means, that when we see Picard in Emissary with Sisko, he's not far off his experience as a prisoner of Gul Madred!! Triviaaaaa :D
Interesting name for the new CO if the Enterprise. Admiral of the Fleet Jellicoe was in charge of the Royal Navy’s Grand Fleet at the Battle of Jutland in 1915.
The actress playing the Admiral is wonderful in this role.
Oooh yeah!! GO MIKEY ‼️‼️‼️
"I didn't say war, commander, I said incursion!!"
Aaah yes, the bitchy boss experience...
@@justice_1337 No, she's the fool. She's the perfect representation of the weak part of the Federation who is so afraid of conflict that they're willing to sign away systems full of their own citizens to a enemy they've already beaten.
@@justice_1337 The Federation could beat the Cardassians on a off day. They weren't a threat in the first war and they aren't a threat now.
@@pjmetzen3483 If fooling around on Stellaris has taught me anything, it's not that they're a threat. They just need to make it uncomfortable for the Federation to fight the war for very long by being *costly*.
Notably, the Federation is - apparently, from how I recall them portrayed - adverse to taking a defensive war onto the offense. They're quite happy to defend what they see as their territory if possible, but when being the defender instead of the aggressor they don't change roles.
The Dominion War was, of course, a different matter - that was an aggressive war. One which the Federation was seriously under-prepared to wage.
At this point, the Federation could hold a defensive war's front line stable for a time. I won't say otherwise, but there's decidedly a fatigue over fighting a war which seeps into things. And, bluntly, I am not sure the citizens of the Federation would *support* a protracted war, while the Cardassians would be more than willing to keep a low-intensity war going if it meant they could win concessions out of it. (And, well, they did the last time...)
That Vice Admiral can boss me around anytime.
Well, it's about time they made Picard earn his redshirt.
He did that way before the events of TNG
the actor who played nechayev would've done a good vulcan, imo. Also I don't get why people complain about her in THIS scene... she's been 10x more infuriating in many others, here she's just giving them orders. the weirdest thing is when she plays semantics with "war" and "incursion". (yeah Admiral we know there's a difference, but Riker was understandably assuming that an incursion into Federation space would mean they were ready to go to war.)
It’s no wonder why she was disliked. If she relieved me of my Starship command I would request the computer to self destruct.
“If I can’t have this ship then no one can.”-Captain
i always hated that admiral in particular . wheres her com badge ?
She is somewhat sensible compared to other admiral, but pretty condescending in her command.
True. She is more sensible than most admiralty. and yes ... she's even more abrasive than Jellico.
I guess even the "good" Starfleet Admirals have to be arrogant, dismissive, abrasive schemers when all their peers are villainous bloodthirsty madmen with megalomaniacal plans to "save the Federation" (by starting a war with someone).
I would love to see an episode following a Starfleet Admiral that is constantly being com'ed by Captains in the field making unreasonable demands and every demand is being denied.
@@wocket42 Captains try to win battles, Admirals try to win wars. In theory.
2:41 That's like playing scary video games where you get a jumpscare when you die. :(
Interesting time for this to be recommended
Admiral needs to work on her people skills
Along with her command skills. Pulling Capt. Jellico off of his own ship, severing him from the staff he's worked with for, what, years. Stuffing him high handedly in command of another ship where he's unknown to the senior officers and crew, this is doing him no favors.
@@larrydavison8298 Happens all the time. I was in the North Carolina National Guard, they pulled the battalion commander literally one month before the annual two-week annual training at a four-states-away location. Needless to say, the new commander had entirely different goals than the first, and the two weeks was spent running around in circles, the entire chain of command getting yelled at for not meeting objectives. People got relieved of their company command when they couldn't meet the expectations in such a short order.
Great episode. thxs.
This was one of those TNG episodes that was more for the performance than story. Last year Picard and Data infiltrated the Romulan home world and returned without any issues. This time Picard gets caught almost immediately. If I was Picard I would have been like, ok Gowron I need another cloaked ship. No were not going to Cardassia Prime were headed to a planet no one cares about called Celtrus III. Anything we find can be yours. Oh yeah we think the Cardassians are developing a weapon of mass destruction that could also affect the Klingon Empire. Ok Starfleet I need a few JSOC guys for an infiltration mission. Ok lets go to Celtrus III. Keep the cloaked ship in orbit. Keep a transporter lock on the team, the second there in trouble get them out of there. Mission complete. Oh yeah Necheyev has the most annoying voice. Nothing a hard punch to the face won't cure.
Despite Vice Admiral Nechaev opinions it is clear that the federation was not ready to go to war over one system and she knows it. That is why she chosen Jellico for a show of force may it be illusion.
👩: I'm here to relieve you of command of the Enterprise.
👴: ...?
The TNG writers have the unfortunate tendency to leave the viewer with the impression that _everyone_ in Starfleet who is not part of the Enterprise crew is totally incompetent, if not outright insane.
I was always annoyed when the Enterprise was referred to as the "flagship".
The admiral should know better, since a flagship is the ship in a battle group where the admiral is, and is flying the admirals "flag". The Enterprise is neither.
"Flagship" has more than one meaning. It can also mean the best or main component of a chain of things, like a flagship store, flagship product line, etc.
@@Aeroldoth3 Yes, "flagship" means the best of something, in civilian life. But Starfleet isn't civilian, it's the Naval force of the Federation. If the Enterprise is the "flagship", then what do you call the ship in the fleet which carries the commanding admiral?
Granted, Starfleet is to the Navy what Guitar Hero is to playing the guitar. Apparently, Chief O'Brian is the only enlisted person in all of Starfleet.
@@DJ_Force
I think the problem is that exactly what Starfleet is, is the problem. It's not exactly military, it's not exactly civilian.
In fact, as I think about this, I cant' recall any ship from any other "race" ever being called a flagship. Did we ever see the Cardassian flagship, Klingon flagship, Romulan flagship?
I think the only time I've ever heard it used in the show was about the Enterprise, not even for any race, as you say when carrying an admiral.
They had a few ships identical to the Enterprise. One of them got blown up though
@@AudaciousAce1989 More than one of them got blown up, even. We know that Yamato was blown up by the Iconians, and that Odyssey was kamikaze'd by the Jem'hadar, and I'm pretty sure we see a number of other Galaxy-class ships take their lumps throughout the Dominion War.
OMG THANKS MIKE! AGAIN!
1:39 Sure. When we were at the academy together, I called him "Jelly Eddie".
My god why are all admirals so fkin callous. Nyechev could of made this a significantly smoother transition had she taken, I don't know, maybe 30 more seconds to properly explain the situation and actually listen to the answers to the questions SHE ASKED.
Instead she abruptly relieves Picard of command and insults the first officer several times in her own debriefing. This is a guy that lead The Enterprise during the Borg threat and accomplished the impossible. You're gonna look him in the eye after cutting him off and tell him he isn't good enough and you honestly expect things to go well afterwards? Jesus.
Honestly, Will was way out of line in these episodes. He got too used to being obeyed by his organisms. But being able to play fast and loose with his authority figures.
Jellico Is is a professional and competent officer, and honestly, probably one of the best pictures of a captain star trek ever gave us outside of the main cast. Hes obviously somebody with military background and poise. He runs a tight ship and he expects excellence. Will got too comfortable with how things were going and was not ready to adapt to how things needed to be under a new command.
While it was certainly not one of his most well known roles. I honestly love Ronnie Cox as Jellico. On rewatch, i think he made a fine captain.
You can see in this clip that his real beef was not being allowed as default to take command of the ship, that he would have to be reporting to another captain. It did not matter who that captain was, could've been anyone, he would've had the same attitude of contempt for that person.
So it's not just in Stargate that Ronny Cox could play an annoying higher-up that you can't help but want to shoot every time he talks...
Don't forget about Total Recall and Robocop. He is great at playing a jackass
@@jasonvignola5968 Robocop I remember, but I forgot he was in Total Recall too.
You were five seconds slower that time , but you made it harder says the warrior.
This and the woman making excuses for not setting up the device properly. Hate those "I know but..." STFU and do it right.
Me: * goes and watches season 6 episode 10 'Chain of Command' *
Always great having these 6x10 notes in the info box!
Yeah, Riker only saved Earth from the BORG.
When Riker actually has to work and not fooling around with some alien chick ...
He was just trying ti get in the admirals pants this time
Sometimes you gotta tap the ass of the brass lol
Awful leadership skills. And she played right into the Cardys hands!
What's worse is she doesn't have the courage of her own convictions. People will follow you through hell, if they believe you care about them and you believe it is worth the price. The same people will abandon you at the first opportunity if they think you are a self-serving coward.
There are FOURRRRRRRRR LIGHTS!!!!! NOW GIVE ME another one of your DIRTY EGGS!!!!!!!!
Riker at 1:00 is incredibly rude.
I know how this ends.. Capt Jell-O is a boss but he rubs everyone wrong along the way....lol
This is no time for making friends. This is a serious mission that may have some ramifications in the alpha quadrant and start a war.
He'll need friends when he has no more power.
@@attiepollard7847
A serious mission is all the more reason to be on speaking terms with your new crew and ship.
Look up Crew Resource Management if you don't know why.
@@MrNicoJac there will be no further discussion on this matter. carry out the orders or else the captain will find someone who will
@@SeansModelBuilds it's the federation, not Game of Thrones.
Great episode.
Riker took off his big boy pants in this one
my dad loves this show
Didn't even give him a chance
What I find funny is that Jellico shows up as a background character in the very next episode.
Isnt Nichyav the same who told Sisko to negotiate with the Maqui and keep the treaty with the cardassians???
Yup. She was wrong regarding the maquis threat as well.
@@jasonvignola5968 It was NOT her decision, this came down from the Federation Council. Starfleet officers can plead their case but ultimately the shots come from the very top and need to be followed.
So, Picard is wearing his casual, open-jacket look. How did he make this decision? Factors pushing the dress code toward "more formal": 1) formal meeting in staff room, 2) important issue, 3) important guest participating, 4) first time seeing important guest at least for this visit, 5) important guest is a superior officer. Factors pushing the dress code toward "less formal": 1) Picard felt like it.
Ronny Cox in wardrobe:
"Why the shoulder pads, though?"