Panasonic Lumix S5ii & S5iix - 10 MONTH Later… Worth Buying in 2024?
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
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00:00 - Start
00:26 - Not what I expected
02:02 - What is it capable of
04:48 - Real-world use
07:01 - Buying the right add-ons
10:05 - No camera is perfect
12:21 - What would I do 
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For fully powering over USB and loading the battery at the same time, you need a source that has at least "PD 9V 3A".
Also there is a simple rule for h264 and h265: If a codec has 4:2:0 it's always h265. If it is 4:2:2, it's h264.
The reason is that h265 has a better compression but most computers can not run h265 in 4:2:2. The typical graphic cards on PCs have 4:2:0 support but not 4:2:2 and if the processor has to decode it, it's not running smooth. Panasonic still tries to avoid h265 but if high compression is needed, they have to use it.
A typical home-PC can work with h265 in 4:2:0 because typical gaming graphic cards can do that. On corporate PCs you may get into trouble because if they don't have h265 support, it won't work - especially if you want to run the original 6k open gate footage.
Amazing info here, thanks for that. Will pin so others can also see 👌🏼
The integrated graphcis inside Intel CPUs after 12th gen (included) supports hardware decoding h265 footages, so if anyone have decent CPUs (like i'm using a i9-13900H laptop with iGPU) they should try out editing the h265 footages in DaVinci Resolve Studio, which runs hardware decoding and it rolls h265 footages like butter.
And I'm also switching from 4:2:2 to 4:2:0 since I don't find any issue with 4:2:0, there wont be a major difference as long as you're only about editing and fast color grading, not about fine screen keying or visual effects or fine color grading (not about that level), but smoother playback when editing with 4:2:0, that's where makes a difference.
@@jasonyuen4123 Agree. I have a laptop with 13900 and 4090 mobile GPU(4070 TI Desktop Equivalent) and it outperforms my desktop AMD 5950x with 4070 TI GPU for Davinci resolve since I shoot h265 and it is just a smoother experience. with Quicksync enabled.
what do u mean by loading the battery at the same time ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals With PD 9V 3A you can power the camera and over time the internal battery will get back to 100%. This is important for really endless recording. If you have a normal USB power bank the camera will use power from the power bank and also from the internal battery. This helps to extend the time until the battery is empty from 1.5 or 2h to a longer time but sooner or later the camera has to stop.
Since the camera can record to the two SD-slots in relay mode it is possible to change the SD-cards while recording, power the camera over USB and for example switch between power banks and internal battery. In theory this allows to record video for an unlimited time without missing a single frame.
Is this important? I don't know. I know that a lot of the streamers on twitch are streaming for a pretty long time and power the cameras with a dummy battery. There are also streams of events like the volcano eruption in island, where people stream from positions out in the wild for 24h and longer. This kind of work is easier with uninterrupted power delivery over USB.
Thanks Man, very helpful! Thanks for taking the time making these Videos!
🙌🏼🙌🏼
I bought S5iiX as my first camera, both for photography and video shooting. Got it brand new with a discount and a gift so paid only £2389 for s5iiX + 50mm, 85mm f1.8 and 20-60mm f3.5-5.6. So far loving the power of this camer and it feels nice to know I have loads of room to grow. I appreciate you sharing knowledge about this camera gear, it's very useful for me and other Panasonic users! At what point would you recommend using ProRes or All-Intra video RAW?
Appreciate the review, thanks! I've never heard someone say "pacifically" instead of "specifically" haha
@1:05 “There is one Pacific factor (as opposed to one Atlantic factor)…”
And don’t forget the great oh oh focus
Pacific means “BIG”. Doesn’t it?
@@jonseddon7067not in any vernacular I’m familiar with
Be nice. He obviously has some speech issues.
Great video!! I found using the V90 card on the BMVA had some dropped frames. I think it could have been the data size and writing speed of the card weren't fast enough for what I was doing. But the image is amazing! I wish there was another device that would allow for BRAW out of the Lumix. The monitor itself needs a major update.
Interesting was that in constant quality or constant compression do you remember ? I'd like to test this more.
I've been looking at the S5IIX and the BMPCC6k as options to upgrade my S5 and you've been my go to channel to watch everything related to those cameras. Thanks for all the in depth reviews.
Thanks for taking the time to comment, if you ever need any help I'm a message away 🙏🏼
Hey man. Thanks for this content. Since you shoot with lots of cameras, where does the image from the s5iix stand? Compared to the blackmagic cinema for example?
What did you end up choosing?
Solid video my friend. Way beyond some of the froth and bubble videos users release. Can you please dig into more feedback around the H.265/HEVC record formats? I was unaware that the camera defaults to this format shooting MOV. Editing on FCPX keeps crashing...is this why?!?
Could be if you are on one of the older intel macs, if you have an M1 or newer i should be totally fine tho.
The h.265 issue you mentioned is a life saver
I love mine! never used the AF with this cam, i just love it for its image and look.
The X is one of the cameras you can pick up today and be good then next 4+ years.... I just put out a video with some shots I got in anamorphic and love it, and I'm coming from the S1 and still use it...
would love more insights on s5iix!
Owning the S5IIx for half a year now my biggest con is that there is no tally light (the network light could do the job perfectly) so if you build it to a rig you can’t see if your recording or not.
great video thanks mate :-)
👌🏼🙏🏼
you use the sigma pl to L mount ? whats so great about the sigma pl to L mount adapter vs the meta bones pl to L mount ? METABONES IS half the price
Great video! I wonder How often the "Dead pixel" happend and how many time u need to pixel-refresh when it happens once? I am going to buy one of s5m2 or s5m2x but it seem like only one serious drawback
only happened once and it went after I pixel refreshed I would say about 5 times. i not a massive dead with the cameras I do not believe.
Great video! Your second memory card link points to the Samsung SSD btw
Ah thanks will get that sorted. Let's get our project started soon 🙌
absolutely! @@OBP_
Prosumer market..has always been leading edge in imaging....starting with the canon 5D...even starting with ther first atomatic focus lenses in the 80'...
About the H265 on a PC I own a rig I built myself which has 64GB ram and a fast Ryzen 9 cpu but it's really shit at handling H265 4:2:2 Chroma so I bought a MacBook pro m1 pro base model upon recommendation and I'm so glad I did it handles H265 really well and it's way faster than my PC which cost more than twice as much, I still prefer Windows 11 to the Mac OS but I suppose you can't have everything, sadly windows emulation won't work on the new Apple silicone. Thanks for the review I have a GH5 and the ibis isn't bad at all or the amount of codecs and videocentric menus but the autofocus is shite and I'm not great at manually pulling focus, I'm not a pro so it's more of a hobby for me so I think I might wait for a GH7 as I can use the lenses I already own
Hi - which camera did you record this talking head shot with? Asking because I was seeing a lot of moire in your sweatshirt. I have this s5iix but use manual focus with LiDAR so considering swapping it out for s1h. Essentially a parallel price move so trying to see if I should.
Soooo which cam was this shot on lol
9:55 ursa mini pro
Great video my man. I appreciate the information and that it isn't a rock video with unnecessary music which is what I find with a lot of tech vids
Don't know if you saw but the company KOLARI is making a
OLPF/AA Filter Upgrade to your panasonic s5II(I ) so you basicly upgrade a S5II/X to S1H (with S5 AUTOFOCUS & stab)
I did, have been in contacted with them to maybe do a video on it. hopefully can get it done soon.
IBIS is Great, rolling shutter is so so , auto focus with latest firmware update is very good, what i need is some OLPF ADAPTER AT THE BACK OF THE LENS, INTERNAL RECORDING BRAW
You can select between H264 and H265 by choosing between mp4 and mov
On the latest Panasonic cameras, mp4 should be avoided. It is only supporting the low end modes for recording and has some 8bit options that are not available in mov anymore. For serious work, mov is the way to go (or ProRes or RAW).
The biggest limitation is the crops but I just purchased a Sigma 14-24 lens and I use crops to avoid changing lenses often. I shoot indoors so by changing Ibis and APSC crops I can go from from full-frame 14mm to the full-frame equivalent of 52mm if I use Apsc and High Ibis. I do not see the differences in quality but I shoot in good studio lighting V-Log 640 or 4000 Iso and do not have much noise. I am aware that Apsc supposedly has bigger noise but I do not see it. 90% of the time I shoot in full frame with Ibis on high which gives me a full frame equivalent of about 20mm - 35mm FOV with the 14 - 24 lens and I set a button to quickly go back to standard Ibis when I want the wider frame.
**If you are ok with the crop the High ibis mode is almost gimbal-like and magical. IMHO with little to no warp.
** For h265 you should have an intel CPU with Quicksync video even if you have high-end GPU or Apple M1 or higher chip
Most cameras have trouble with mixed lighting, I find even that the Fx6 does pretty bad in this scenario
I'm about to buy the s5ii x, but I'm worried about moire issues with it. I do photography and video. What are our thoughts please?
Plus I thought the menu gave the option to shoot in H264?
The only problem I have with this camera is the auto focus and the bending of footage like for example’s when shooting cars scene some of the footage looks like it’s bending
Damn it would be great if BM ever sold a cheaper & tinier BRAW recorder, in the form of a smartphone holder, with no screen but USB out, that we could connect to our phone only to monitor, while the RAW would be RECed on the unit (same way as with BM VAssist) ; it would require a dedicated app (Android/iOS), & if it's well done, that would be super useful to save space/weight on the setup & $$$.
What about audio problems?
New tech filtering up from consumer goods makes sense. It’s a much bigger market. Also the professionals on set hate tech that can lessen their importance.
I have a G9. I had nearly convinced myself my next camera would be a S5IIX. But then I was reminded of the weight and size of FF. So my question is now about addressing FF FOMO: what will I miss (other than bokeh) by opting for a G9II and how can the gaps be mitigated?
I tried s5ii with a kit lens, it has very good ergonomics for its size and doesn't feel heavy at all, the grip is very comfy! I also tried Sony a7siii, which is much compact, yet it didn't feel as comfortable to hold, probably because of weight distribution
@@bamboo6044 The S5II kit where I live is cheaper than the G9II kit at present. So with FF getting lighter it makes it difficult to buy a fully priced G9II! The latest two lenses from LUMIX - 100mm macro and 28-200mm - are also great: compact and light.
The dead pixel issue is worrying. I am checking out a used S5 IIX locally later today, hoping for the best!
How did it go?
@@Seph_vision no issues with my unit turns out! I lucked out because the shutter and power count is actually quite low on my IIX body. Only have the 35mm 1.8 for it so far and am picking up the 20-60mm kit lens today, that about rounds out the focal lengths for the time being.
Yes, definitely. The only camera woth buying as the price will drop
Can you say that you do not experience any discomfort with the delay in outputting images to the monitor via HDMI? Many reviewers mentioned a noticeable delay over HDMI. I found it uncomfortable for focus pulling...
The delay is defo noticeable, but never found myself in a situation where it effect my focusing or operation, that said i can see if the right things did happen it could be an issue.
That’s why I passed on it, just unacceptable
Yeah hdmi lag is pretty bad sadly. Used it for a live stream with the Atem mini and it was terrible. No issues with the blackmagic pockets.
@@JedCamaradid you try turning off sound over hdmi?
@@EpithetMusicTV Couldnt find in the menu where to turn off the HDMI sound in the camera. However on the ATEM Mini you can compensate for lag, so we managed to get it looking usable, but it still wasn't 100% synced like the pocket cams were.
Hi! Panasonic Lumix S DC-S5 IIX - Does Phase Detection AF works on FullHD 1080 60p?
Nope 😢
i was tested the s5IIX with ssd and the battery life is so poor, maybe i have to need external power alimented with vmount but for this i used bmpcc best colors more cinematic. I also expected too much from this camera. PD: sorry for my english
THE FATAL FLAW that killed it for me was that the camera "forgets" the focus point in MF mode when switched off and on !
As of now, would you recommend picking the s5iix over the s5?
If you mean S5ii-x or S5ii, then if ya don't need RAW or live streaming, go S5ii and spend the extra cash on SD cards. If you mean S5 mark 1 Vs S5ii-X then I would 100% go S5 mark 2.
I'm sure this camera is not QC compatible. That's for Qualcomm chips on phones. Your problem it's about usb c protocols. You need to know what you are connecting. It's true that it should tell your if it's DP fast charge or just standard usb c charging.
Too Bad it has no OLPF. How to solve that?
S5II FOR $1697 OR S5IIX $2097 Im not sure if i will take advantage of some of the upgrades in the X, however i will be using the anamorphic feature in the x, not sure if this feature is in the non-x..
Thank you
If your computer can handle the H265 and you do not need the live streaming of the X, id go S5ii.
That prores 422 in the s5iix will save you time in editing even if it needs a lot of space cause for that yu can use ssd on the s5iix and ssd are no really expensive. And on the s5ii of you will want to record raw external you have to pay like 200 dollars so for a little more money you can get the s5iix
Who has a problem with battery draining when camera is off🙉 how to fix it? This is nightmare
Can you post a link for the dummy battery you have
Just added it into description 🙌🏼
@@OBP_ thank you but how do you plug that up to the vmount what kind of adapter do you use to make it dtap
You need to get your hands on the S5M2X
I have looked at buying one, what do you think it would bring over the S5II?
@@OBP_prores 422 internally and you can record all the Codecs into ssd wich makes the work more easy, and editing prores 422 I guess you already know from the ursa makes editing more easy and not giving headaches 😂
Cool🎉
but why have your sensor exposed the entire time...?
Quite funny (but also extremely sad) a $5K PC tower can't play or edit H.265 as well as a entry level iPad can. It's not really the cameras fault, it's Microsoft and PC component companies fault that they for some weird reason refuse to adapt. H.265 has been a thing for years now, why don't they just add support already? Apple did years ago.
You can design a custom lut for false colors...
You are not aware of Canon R8 that can do full sensor readout at 60p? and it costs less than S52. Ofcourse, that is much simpler camera.
I am not, good to see tho. Hopefully that means the other manufacturers follow along.
If I have a 10 - 18mm sigma lens in 4k 60fps, what would be its equivalent, double crop in the s5iix? What would it be in 4k 24fps without crop? THANKS
It would be a 15 - 27mm on 60FPS 4K. In 6K open gate I would suspect you'd see vignetting but have never tested this.
wow Panasonic made you move to mirrorless and appreciate auto-focussing? Imagine what would happen if you tried Sony A7s3! =))
Of course there is Canon R6 mark II which does not crop in 50/60.
if conor mcgregor was a filmmaker :)
The s5ii is amazing, but it’s big. I don’t carry very often but it takes nice photos and videos. My little nephew even noticed the image quality. He said the pictures looked 3D and real lol
The S5ii is so small it’s mildly uncomfortable in my hand, my pinky doesn’t even fit on it 😂
@@kazlepek6552 you right, just thinking in comparison to my old XT2. 😅
I have false color in my S5 ii
how?
O-o focus😂
Yes...But id search the used market first.
be really careful when buying this camera the autofocus is terrible the menu is slow, and slot card damages really easy.
The auto focus is amazing. You must have had it set up wrong
@@TheyCallMeCotton not when you are in a large crowd . if you film events for example. then better dont use human recognition. Sony has 10x better autofocus, but when they fix autofocus issue LUMIX will moon.
@@terrorfilms in a crowd 1 area plus + human detect equal money
@@TheyCallMeCotton ok will give it a second try . Thanks
Had to return the camera since the card slot was defected. But really liked the colors and the ibis
so frustrating. ive watchec 20 camera reviews and your all talking jiberish. why are all these videos made for the camera experts? surely they will know about these cameras already if they can understand half of what your saying. people watching these videos for the most part arnt camera experts, rendering this video useless for 90% of the people who click on this video
Hey man I would have some questions... I was about to buy a GH6 (don't own any mft nor full frame lenses) in order to shoot a documentary but then I saw an incredible offer for a used BMPCC6k. So I'm going for that, but I still want a Lumix as well. Does it make sense to go with the GH6 or the S5iix is a wiser investment? Because their price is basically one good lens apart... I don't even use autofocus and wanted the GH6 at first because of the CFslot (I really don't like shooting with SSD) but at this point I can shoot braw internally with the BlackMagick 6k and use sd v90 cards for the s5iix, there shouldn't be any more need for ProRes or expensive recorders... The full frame sensor could be helpful in good light. What do you think?
I like the idea of using Pocket 6K with the S5II, Complementary of each other, everything the pocket is bad at, the Lumix is good at 👌🏼. As unpopular as it may be the S5ii is a much better investment over the GH6 in today's market with the deals you can get on the S5ii.
The big question is do you need IBIS
strange that he didn t mentioned about moire the most shitty thing of this camera