@@Sn00gans people who actually play cedh are more likely to complain about winota than they are to complain about thoracle. Most thoracle decks are harder than pilot than winota.
Game 2 had some weird not cedh cards in it like the tapped land niv played and the ghostly prison Reed played. Those cards arnt exactly known for being at cedh tables
i think both these decks are ultra dominant at non-cedh tables, making their respective pods so salty about them that they are kinda pushed into thinking cEDH is the only place where they can play. needs a new assesment of card quality + mulligans for this
I see there was a comment about the legacy videos stopping and I just want to add that I'd only ever seen the occasional PleasantKenobi video on legacy besides yours as I only play edh and cedh and it never really interested me. However it was so well presented in your videos that I thoroughly enjoyed it and miss seeing it too
We will look into legacy in the future, but they weren't performing very well. Stay tuned and we will let everyone know where Legacy might be happening.
@@DarkEinherjar Yes we have! Right now we have so much on our plate with streams, podcasts, and cedh videos though. Hopefully we can get something like that in the future.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG you should trial some Conquest game videos. I'd love to see what you guys do with the "standard commander" format. I'm sure you could showcase some real powerhouse decks.
@@jeremyjoe7494 sure I get that but why use the possibly the worst way to display a deck list? Moxfield let’s you click one button also to buy from TCG player.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG for sure! Just surprised that the decklists need to be posted on there. I feel like Moxfield is the gold standard so when decklists are posted elsewhere I feel like its missing out on a lot of info or ability to check out people's decks in a valuable way. Would love to see people who have primers for their decks etc and that's simply not possible on the TCG version
The deck usually works really well for me, I just took a super cracked greedy hand and it didnt pay off, though the odds were in my favpur at least once with Looting and I just got wrecked lmao
@@Envykhan thanks i run a derevi deck as well just looking for ideas to figure out any upgrades i want. I go combo lines with creature focused combos trying to blink creatures repeatedly with emiel drawing my deck then winning with lab man effect
@@intonight9564 i cycle between what i use for my stax pieces it all dependent in the meta im in. right now its a lot of midrange so runic armasaur and ouran frostfang have been great. theres a lot of different ways you could go about it so im glad if my list helps ya out!
Its the other way round. You have to pay 4 life for each card (including ur normal drawstep card) u want to keep, if u dredge, since library cares about "two cards in your hand drawn this turn".
I mean I really wasnt that frustrated, it's a card game lmao. I picked up my mat hastily because Id been in the venue for many hours and really, REALLY needed to go to the bathroom haha
4 horsemen gitrog imho is just stupid... You can realistically play it only among friends that let you shortcut it. If you bring it to a tournament (if they don't ban it outright) you need to demonstrate every single game that you can assemble the win before you get disqualified for slowplay
This statement is untrue. Nondeterministic is NOT slow play under tournament definition rules. Gitrog's loops are non-deterministic, but progress the game. Slow play is unnecessary and excessive actions that do no progress the game. Loops: blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ Slow Play: blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/ipg3-3/
Krark is punishing Okami for daring to partner him with anyone other than his partner in causing misery to everything that lives, Sakashima.
Yep
Life already kicks me when Im down, what's a little more in game 😎
So good to see Winota go off and win the way Richard Garfield PHD intended games to be won--through goddamn combat damage. *salutes*
Garfield also intended creatures to be cast not vomited from the library
@@pitakon *waves hand dismissively* Look, for once the game wasn't decided by Thoracle. Let's just be happy for that, okay? :)
@@Sn00gans fair enough
@@Sn00gans you are giving thoracle wayy to much rent-free space in your head
@@Sn00gans people who actually play cedh are more likely to complain about winota than they are to complain about thoracle. Most thoracle decks are harder than pilot than winota.
The Krark player died as he lived. A world of pain.
Youre telling me, man
Maybe a lesson learned.. don’t play garbage.
@@bradcallahan3546 I've seen you in two different comment threads now, and *man* you're an unpleasant person. Go touch grass.
wow those Narset and Niv decks looked way too casual for the table.
Winota win was clean though, congrats.
great content as usual ❤️
I was thinking the same thing
got some "well everyone in my playgroup hates my narset deck so it must be cedh" vibes esp from the ghostly prison
I play Parun at a pretty high level, and just seeing that dudes opening hand I knew it was gonna be rough for him.
That Highland Lake though.
Perfect Mana is worth everything apparently.
Gaining control of Derevi with Zealous Conscripts was -mwah-. Chef's kiss.
not often you see "comes in tapped" lands on this channel.
Ryan: I really don't want to have to narrate this Gitrog loop
Noah: And I took that personally
Niv player here! Thanks for letting me play with you guys in Indy it was super fun seeing irl powerful decks and getting to see what they do!
Thanks for playing with us!
Could you send me your decklist ? 😁
@@tepidhearthstone i second that
Live by the coin, die by the coin.
Ken I died by the coin so hard
No one having answers for Aven Mindcensor was brutal
the beauty and the beast playmat OMG, that picture is everything, I'm looking that up now and buying it
Game 2 had some weird not cedh cards in it like the tapped land niv played and the ghostly prison Reed played. Those cards arnt exactly known for being at cedh tables
i think both these decks are ultra dominant at non-cedh tables, making their respective pods so salty about them that they are kinda pushed into thinking cEDH is the only place where they can play. needs a new assesment of card quality + mulligans for this
new thumbnail looking good
damn, winota was brutal. never underestimate the combat enthusiasts xD
Never underestimate efficient tax cards like aven mindcensor
Corbin really gave Noah that win with countering the lotus and then letting library resolve and also windfalling him into a new hand
I see there was a comment about the legacy videos stopping and I just want to add that I'd only ever seen the occasional PleasantKenobi video on legacy besides yours as I only play edh and cedh and it never really interested me. However it was so well presented in your videos that I thoroughly enjoyed it and miss seeing it too
Thank you for the feedback! We will look into it.
What did Noah imp seal to the top that ended up getting exiled?
Mike really picked a good spot to showcase his bling lol
Mike was awesome with WInota!
4:38 the only correct usage of Krark. Blocks and death.
I love Winota! Great win!
"Cards discarded: At least 4"
LMAO
watching this has made me miss my gitrog deck
Time to watch this video and cry
Wish I could've jammed more but I definitely had to book it to the bathroom 😎
I had so much fun with both games as the derevi player. I hope we can jam games again In the future!
As do I! Im always down for games if you ever wanna reach out :) Okami#4607 is my tag
Still waiting on the dedicated Godo podcast!
Also I’ve really been missing the legacy gameplay videos.
Keep up the good work, everyone!
We will look into legacy in the future, but they weren't performing very well. Stay tuned and we will let everyone know where Legacy might be happening.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Have you considered Modern gameplay videos? I've seen some lately, and they're very interesting too.
@@DarkEinherjar Yes we have! Right now we have so much on our plate with streams, podcasts, and cedh videos though. Hopefully we can get something like that in the future.
Agreed, I loved the Legacy vids! Maybe deck techs as well for the format. Keep up the great content guys!
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG you should trial some Conquest game videos. I'd love to see what you guys do with the "standard commander" format. I'm sure you could showcase some real powerhouse decks.
Excuse me, but Highland Lake ?
what ?
Yeah, game two seemed like two cedh decks against two guys that rolled up and thought their moderately high power decks could hang.
Speaking of camera equipment, what do you use btw?
9:13 I've noticed that foreshadowing.
Winota's win was honourable
Okami's playmat looks awesome!
So glad Ryan is narrating again
Would you happen to know where Okami's playmat was bought?
Just the boros fix I needed!
is it worth put ebony charm to combo gitrog at cleanstep without discard outlet and have 8 cards in my hand?
What a great winota game. Good job mike!
Wish the other players in game 2 had better games heh. Good games overall.
How does every deck I wanna build end up in the recent PWP episode I just watched ???
Krark giveth, and krark taketh away (3 times, specifically).
Always happy to see Krark, when it's not paired with that knock off blue clone.
Damn, Winota really snowballs
Good to see a krark list not partnered with sakashima was a bit refreshing to see.
got punished by exactly that fact tho
i like the thumbnail
Man would have love to seen thr Niv decklisy
nice winota. Thwack!
69 thousand is the way! Yeah baby! Good games.
where did Andrew get his beauty and the beast playmate?
Was casting Finale for 69420 a tribute to CGB? :D
I know this is a super knit picky thing but why TCG for the decklists. Would love to see these on moxfield.
Aren't they sponsored by TCG? :D
@@jeremyjoe7494 sure I get that but why use the possibly the worst way to display a deck list? Moxfield let’s you click one button also to buy from TCG player.
We are sponsored by them.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG for sure! Just surprised that the decklists need to be posted on there. I feel like Moxfield is the gold standard so when decklists are posted elsewhere I feel like its missing out on a lot of info or ability to check out people's decks in a valuable way. Would love to see people who have primers for their decks etc and that's simply not possible on the TCG version
Very nice
I was skeptical of krark with ikra and now I see he probably could've been better off with rograkh
The deck usually works really well for me, I just took a super cracked greedy hand and it didnt pay off, though the odds were in my favpur at least once with Looting and I just got wrecked lmao
@@Apkooi1 saw the opening hand and was rooting for it but it hurt :( better next time :)
new thumbnail 👀
Frog! Frog! Frog! Frog!
Derevi decklist? I didnt see it pinned in the description
www.moxfield.com/decks/AGLJYCr-o0O0HqkW3Vsc5A this is my current iteration of the deck. its not the same list i used in the video though!
@@Envykhan thanks i run a derevi deck as well just looking for ideas to figure out any upgrades i want. I go combo lines with creature focused combos trying to blink creatures repeatedly with emiel drawing my deck then winning with lab man effect
@@intonight9564 i cycle between what i use for my stax pieces it all dependent in the meta im in. right now its a lot of midrange so runic armasaur and ouran frostfang have been great. theres a lot of different ways you could go about it so im glad if my list helps ya out!
It always bugs me how he doesn't use the lotus petal for any color mana. He can get infinite colored mana from just that card so why the dark ritual
I tried to post a comment, but I've failed to find it.
Lmao fucking Krark dude. That was some bad luck.
14:01 Hard to see he's discarding Kozilek.
uwu pwaying wih powor 👉👈
🤨📸
You don’t have to pay life if you dredge loam and keep one card from library
Its the other way round. You have to pay 4 life for each card (including ur normal drawstep card) u want to keep, if u dredge, since library cares about "two cards in your hand drawn this turn".
Bring that k'rrik back again!
Ngl i clicked on this cause i saw a weird krark pairing
Mike as too much money on this winota deck
You should see it since this was recorded a few months ago 👀 this is nothing lmao
If someone is going off through the Gitrog loop, you should force them to play out every part of the combo to punish them for being an evil person
You don’t think that might be a bit punishing to the table? Also that isn’t how presenting loops works.
69420 blaze it lol
69 thousand 420
So the guy plays a luck based commander and gets frustrated after losing 3 coinflips in a row. I don't get people
I mean I really wasnt that frustrated, it's a card game lmao. I picked up my mat hastily because Id been in the venue for many hours and really, REALLY needed to go to the bathroom haha
first 8)
Nice
That’s cheating Cal
Sus
Totally sus
I was the 69th like.
Nice
4 horsemen gitrog imho is just stupid... You can realistically play it only among friends that let you shortcut it. If you bring it to a tournament (if they don't ban it outright) you need to demonstrate every single game that you can assemble the win before you get disqualified for slowplay
This statement is untrue.
Nondeterministic is NOT slow play under tournament definition rules. Gitrog's loops are non-deterministic, but progress the game. Slow play is unnecessary and excessive actions that do no progress the game.
Loops: blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/
Slow Play: blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/ipg3-3/