I love seeing cEDH brews like Norin! The fun part of commander for me is exploring commanders or takes on commanders that aren't really explored. And seeing what synergies and combos I can find!
at 10:32 both Fierce Guardianships (the copy and the original) actually resolve, they just can't counter Breach (they don't fizzle as narrated). they would fizzle if the target became ilegal, but in this case the target is still legal, just can't be countered 😉. (I realize it didn't matter at all in this game but it might matter if say a Pact of Negation were the card trying to counter the spell) great games as usual but Norin seemed way underpowered for this match
@@MexiPerplexi nope target is still legal, the fact that it can't be countered doesn't mean it's an illegal target (I know this sounds super non-intuitive but that's the way it is) (it would be an illegal target if it were removed from the stack for example)
@@cristianprado8559 I feel like this is literally just nitpicking semantics, but by my understanding, to say a spell or ability fizzles means that something caused the spell/ability to fail.
@@MexiPerplexi not at all. if a Pact of Negation fizzles, you don't have to pay the 5 during your upkeep if a Pact tries to counter a spell but can't (maybe because this spell can't be countered like is this case) Pact will still resolve and you WILL have to pay 5 during your upkeep or you'll lose. same thing happens with a Mana Drain (if it fizzles you don't ad mana, if it revolves, even if it doesn't counter anything, you'll ad mana during your next main phase)
Why didn't Noah use the lightning bolt to try and kill Zack? 50% chance of killing Zack to keep the game going? He had it in his opener, and an untapped red source from what I can tell
In game 3 when Rust cast Blasphemous Act he could've gotten a slightly better rate from it by casting his commander first. It would cause the Tome to trigger giving it two more page counters by the end step and Blasphemous Act would be the same cost to cast as Norin would be in play when he casts it. It didn't matter since the Culling Ritual made short work of all the permanents but had the game gone longer it could've made a difference. Great showing and fun to watch.
I almost explicitly play cedh, but Norin is my absolute favorite low power casual commander. Having said that, when I saw this, I thought, “someone found a way to bring Norin to cedh!?”… no… they just played my casual deck in a cedh pod…
I checked out the decklist, and its basically just a generic "mono red CEDH combos" list with Norrin at the helm for a small amount of synergy with stuff like impact tremors. Not exactly sure what was going on here, since any one of about a half dozen other mono red commanders seem like they'd be better choices to helm this list.
For the comments ragging on Norin the wary being a casual / mid power deck, i don't think you can make that argument after only seeing three extremely fast games. You are succumbing to a sample size bias. I loved seeing it in action, and I hope he finds his way back to the table in another episode.
Having a creature get free ETBs/LTBs for existing is incredibly powerful, especially when combined with payoffs like Impact Tremors/Old Purpheros. He's nearly impossible to kill, making him a very durable win con after being cast, and on the off-chance he's somehow killed he's very affordable.
I have krark and sakishima build which is pretty competitive so looking forward to seeing them in action, also have norin the wary chaos build so should be a great episode for ideas 😁
A triple feature? How did we get so lucky! And the day after Matthew lillard was on the stream? One bit of constructive criticism i have for your videos is that it would be cool to see what cards are tutored for, even if the card doesn’t specify to reveal it. The players could show just the camera, then potentially edit that out and narrate it, or just leave the reveal in. Either would work.
Why didn’t mike name warrior on the cavern in game 2? Could’ve cast the rabble master still and still potentially play winota if he drew a colored source
Came down here to say this. I was already dubious just seeing Norin in the title but I've been impressed by rogue decks before, then I saw sting scourger and command sphere in the opener and the gameplay was certainly not an improvement. I'm sorry to be this guy but i have to say that bringing a casual deck to a cEDH table is imo equally as bad as bringing a cEDH deck to a casual table.
Nice Tripleheader, I know one of your sponsors is TCGplayer, so you list your decks on their website - but Moxfield has so much utility. Maybe you could convince TCG to upgrade their deck list software. Would be nice to have primers, notes or easy downloadability.
the Yidris deck doesn't really use it's commander for anything but the colours right? so you could play Silas Renn and Tana the blood sower if you wanted to or any compnation that gives you UBRG. I do like the norin deck, but I think it just might be too slow, even with impact tremors and Purphoros out, each opponent taking 3 damage pr. spell will not be enough. even with all the damage doublers and triplers out, Norin would deal at most: 1 from impact tremrs, 2 from Purphoros, God of the Forge, Fienish duo would double that, so 6 damage, dictate of the twin gods would double that, so 12 and fiery emancipation would triple that, 36 damage, meaning with furnace of rather, thats 72 damage pr. spell BUT.... you would need everything out and there is no way that happens. but I do see the birgi-grinning ignis combo in there, which would ping the table with impact tremors out.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG oh, I see. That makes more sense. I always like the last little tidbit statistic that you add for each game. Thanks for the reply
Honestly, if the title of a video is "Tymna/Thrasios vs Najeela vs Kess vs Tevesh/Kraum" I will probably never click it. But If I see Norin, Syr Carah, Yeva, Tameshi, Extus, Valki, etc. Anything that sounds spicy and I'll be there.
I've been binge watching this channel and whoever Zane is has consistently sus hands.. Especially the games after he loses game 1.. Run back hands are sussy js
Adding to the note below, this is a game with some of our patrons! They are all across the globe. Also the PWP team is now across the US so it makes sense to do webcam games
itd be the same thing as Flash Hulk. there will always be an "easy win" in this game. there are ways to stop thoracle with counterspells and stifle effects. if someone has an empty library, you can respond to the thoracle trigger by making them draw a card, causing them to lose the game. At least people cant win om turn 0 like during the Flash-Hulk days.
3:45 thank goodness. I was about to hate Norin forever for making yall narrate his ability. Edit: oh no, yall are still narrating it. I hope in the future yall skip the “Norin triggers and exiles” as well
Here's a comment I posted above: "best way to win in the format so I assume people will continue to do it. people like to win efficiently and quickly and this is the premier way to do that. some people like spicy ways to win, some people like to keep it simple." You can not like the card, but it's the best way to win in the format and when you're playing a competitive format people are going to go for that best way. Sorry you're not into it
Oh I absolutely understand that it’s the best way to win, I do it myself. I personally don’t like it and think games that revolve around it are a snooze. That’s why I said thoracle games are a snooze.
@@adamhelgeson9329 fair enough! we think it's more about the journey rather than the ending of a game. this game had a ton of cool stuff in it and some highly unique strategies. personally I loved the yidris deck with a backup hermit druid line. very unique! and that noah guy is so cool -Noah
best way to win in the format so I assume people will continue to do it. people like to win efficiently and quickly and this is the premier way to do that. some people like spicy ways to win, some people like to keep it simple.
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Git probe. How many cards in hand?
THREE
@@galaz1anGit probe. How many cards?
@@ubermusli T H R E E
paying 2 life, mental misstep
plz don't come for me like this NOO -Noah
I came for Norin and rooted for him every time. Long live the church of Norin.
PREACH IT BROTHER
Right xD "let's do another game" stares awkwardly at the stax decks lol
Norin the Wary exiles himself from your rooting. He'll return later.
Long live in fear
@@DrunkenLee i mean, fear can be a great motivator.
Demonic Tutoring for the thing that got chaos warped sure is a flex
Can't believe they skipped Zack's turn despite him hacky sacking the longest.
that was a nice number of zealous conscripts. 11/10
Man, I need to go get myself a Culling Ritual, that card has been so good every time it was cast.
It’s very good
I love seeing cEDH brews like Norin! The fun part of commander for me is exploring commanders or takes on commanders that aren't really explored. And seeing what synergies and combos I can find!
Disappointed that Consult didn’t name You are Already Dead. Sweet games though! Love having multiple games per video
Card wasn't out yet when this was played! Else I totally would have
at 10:32 both Fierce Guardianships (the copy and the original) actually resolve, they just can't counter Breach (they don't fizzle as narrated).
they would fizzle if the target became ilegal, but in this case the target is still legal, just can't be countered 😉. (I realize it didn't matter at all in this game but it might matter if say a Pact of Negation were the card trying to counter the spell)
great games as usual but Norin seemed way underpowered for this match
They DO fizzle because the intended target became illegal as a result of the Veil.
@@MexiPerplexi nope
target is still legal, the fact that it can't be countered doesn't mean it's an illegal target (I know this sounds super non-intuitive but that's the way it is)
(it would be an illegal target if it were removed from the stack for example)
It's like targeting an indestructible creature with murder, you can do it, it just won't do anything.
@@cristianprado8559 I feel like this is literally just nitpicking semantics, but by my understanding, to say a spell or ability fizzles means that something caused the spell/ability to fail.
@@MexiPerplexi not at all.
if a Pact of Negation fizzles, you don't have to pay the 5 during your upkeep
if a Pact tries to counter a spell but can't (maybe because this spell can't be countered like is this case) Pact will still resolve and you WILL have to pay 5 during your upkeep or you'll lose.
same thing happens with a Mana Drain (if it fizzles you don't ad mana, if it revolves, even if it doesn't counter anything, you'll ad mana during your next main phase)
Why didn't Noah use the lightning bolt to try and kill Zack? 50% chance of killing Zack to keep the game going? He had it in his opener, and an untapped red source from what I can tell
plz no, i knew the youtube comments were coming. i totally botched these games! you're 100% correct
It feels like I've waited 100 years for another krark sakashima game
you'll be getting a ton more! it's my new go-to deck outside of gitrog -Noah
In game 3 when Rust cast Blasphemous Act he could've gotten a slightly better rate from it by casting his commander first. It would cause the Tome to trigger giving it two more page counters by the end step and Blasphemous Act would be the same cost to cast as Norin would be in play when he casts it. It didn't matter since the Culling Ritual made short work of all the permanents but had the game gone longer it could've made a difference.
Great showing and fun to watch.
11:24 and 15:19 thoracle teehee. Absolutely love the gameplay. Just being a silly.
THORACLE COMMENTS AH. jk thank you for watching!
That Norin deck did less than I was expecting, somehow. Why did you let someone play a midpower deck in a fullpower pod?
I almost explicitly play cedh, but Norin is my absolute favorite low power casual commander. Having said that, when I saw this, I thought, “someone found a way to bring Norin to cedh!?”… no… they just played my casual deck in a cedh pod…
I checked out the decklist, and its basically just a generic "mono red CEDH combos" list with Norrin at the helm for a small amount of synergy with stuff like impact tremors. Not exactly sure what was going on here, since any one of about a half dozen other mono red commanders seem like they'd be better choices to helm this list.
I just think he's neat :)
Norin: HOW DARE YOU *- HIDES -*
For the comments ragging on Norin the wary being a casual / mid power deck, i don't think you can make that argument after only seeing three extremely fast games. You are succumbing to a sample size bias. I loved seeing it in action, and I hope he finds his way back to the table in another episode.
Those were some clean plays by the Ydris player, good job!
I must say. I don't think I've ever seen Norin ever do anything particularly cEDH. Please help me understand, what am I missing?
The Truth, basically.
Having a creature get free ETBs/LTBs for existing is incredibly powerful, especially when combined with payoffs like Impact Tremors/Old Purpheros. He's nearly impossible to kill, making him a very durable win con after being cast, and on the off-chance he's somehow killed he's very affordable.
I have krark and sakishima build which is pretty competitive so looking forward to seeing them in action, also have norin the wary chaos build so should be a great episode for ideas 😁
A triple feature? How did we get so lucky! And the day after Matthew lillard was on the stream?
One bit of constructive criticism i have for your videos is that it would be cool to see what cards are tutored for, even if the card doesn’t specify to reveal it. The players could show just the camera, then potentially edit that out and narrate it, or just leave the reveal in. Either would work.
Appreciate you PWP!! Excited to game with ya’ll soon.
We miss and appreciate you Lynch!
Love to see a triple feature. Awesome decks.
Loved Zains decklist
live by the coin, die (x3) by the coin
i'm so sorry ken...
Pre game shout out- let’s go krarkashima! Whooooo
Quick question when he cracked lions eye diamond with necro out wouldnt all the cards in his hand be exiled so he could escape thassa??
That Splinter Twin kill was N I C E
11:13 was oddly satisfying
Missplay at 13:21, Rust could have casted Norin before the Blasphemous Act. Anyway, great games!
I don't see any links for Marchesa 2022
What playmat does Noah have?
Why didn’t mike name warrior on the cavern in game 2? Could’ve cast the rabble master still and still potentially play winota if he drew a colored source
Krarkashima and Norin, a Narrator's worst nightmare
Norin the Speedbump.
Norin didn’t feel CEDH. Some of the cards didn’t really feel like the optimal picks to run in that build
Came down here to say this. I was already dubious just seeing Norin in the title but I've been impressed by rogue decks before, then I saw sting scourger and command sphere in the opener and the gameplay was certainly not an improvement. I'm sorry to be this guy but i have to say that bringing a casual deck to a cEDH table is imo equally as bad as bringing a cEDH deck to a casual table.
Hey, guys, it would be lovely, if YOU would do an episode of conquest format, just saying :)
69,420 copies, nice.
Also, top decks for the win with Mike there!
with consultation we should also start naming "You're already dead" from the new kamigawa set :3
3 games in one video. Poggies
Question, do people run proxies in these games, or is it only legit cards?
You haven't seen a PWP game in months where entire decks aren't proxies. They're hard to spot on camera!
Awesome games!
Nice Tripleheader, I know one of your sponsors is TCGplayer, so you list your decks on their website - but Moxfield has so much utility. Maybe you could convince TCG to upgrade their deck list software. Would be nice to have primers, notes or easy downloadability.
TCGplayer is a great partner. They told us they were working on a solution.
*obnoxiously deep sniff* oh yeah baby that’s the good stuff
Underworld Breach is still a bananas card.
the Yidris deck doesn't really use it's commander for anything but the colours right? so you could play Silas Renn and Tana the blood sower if you wanted to or any compnation that gives you UBRG. I do like the norin deck, but I think it just might be too slow, even with impact tremors and Purphoros out, each opponent taking 3 damage pr. spell will not be enough. even with all the damage doublers and triplers out, Norin would deal at most: 1 from impact tremrs, 2 from Purphoros, God of the Forge, Fienish duo would double that, so 6 damage, dictate of the twin gods would double that, so 12 and fiery emancipation would triple that, 36 damage, meaning with furnace of rather, thats 72 damage pr. spell BUT.... you would need everything out and there is no way that happens. but I do see the birgi-grinning ignis combo in there, which would ping the table with impact tremors out.
Nah, I didn’t get to showcase but Yidris is a wincon all by himself in that deck.
Long live Norin!!!
Only 1 game results?
Total game results over all three games
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG oh, I see. That makes more sense. I always like the last little tidbit statistic that you add for each game. Thanks for the reply
@@jaydub5515 We appreciate that! A lot of people don't dive into those stats but we love putting them together. Thanks for watching
3 games? Nice
Norin triggers and exiles
Honestly, if the title of a video is "Tymna/Thrasios vs Najeela vs Kess vs Tevesh/Kraum" I will probably never click it. But If I see Norin, Syr Carah, Yeva, Tameshi, Extus, Valki, etc. Anything that sounds spicy and I'll be there.
Norin ( :
I've been binge watching this channel and whoever Zane is has consistently sus hands.. Especially the games after he loses game 1.. Run back hands are sussy js
Zain is the best
69,420 copies…nice
Don't kill me
God I hope norin does well, I had him built way back and hope he's still as deceptively strong
Was definitely expecting stax
Haha fun to see Krark Sakashima.
I literally bought the budget one from S09E05 10 min ago xD
krarkashima is such an addiction
Are these games only going to be webcam games now?
We still do physical gameplay from time to time.
Adding to the note below, this is a game with some of our patrons! They are all across the globe. Also the PWP team is now across the US so it makes sense to do webcam games
Krark 🚫👍
krark and i aren't friends anymore -noah
And this, people, is why we need to ban oracle and breach. Not saying you can't self-mill win or storm off, y'all just need to try a little harder.
itd be the same thing as Flash Hulk.
there will always be an "easy win" in this game. there are ways to stop thoracle with counterspells and stifle effects.
if someone has an empty library, you can respond to the thoracle trigger by making them draw a card, causing them to lose the game.
At least people cant win om turn 0 like during the Flash-Hulk days.
3:45 thank goodness. I was about to hate Norin forever for making yall narrate his ability.
Edit: oh no, yall are still narrating it. I hope in the future yall skip the “Norin triggers and exiles” as well
69,420 Lololololol Nice!
It still surprises me that no one runs Stifle, Angelic Grace, etc with how often TC wins in this meta... Great matches though!
Funny number
69420 copies... Nice
Yidris didn’t even do shit man
Winning with thassa is so wack
oof... oof...
#BanThoracle
yesss more krarkashimaaaaaaaa
MORE IS COMING FRIEND
69,420 Copies, Nice.
Thoracle games are a snooze.
Why
@@Tacet137 Low effort, repetitive, overplayed
Here's a comment I posted above: "best way to win in the format so I assume people will continue to do it. people like to win efficiently and quickly and this is the premier way to do that. some people like spicy ways to win, some people like to keep it simple." You can not like the card, but it's the best way to win in the format and when you're playing a competitive format people are going to go for that best way. Sorry you're not into it
Oh I absolutely understand that it’s the best way to win, I do it myself. I personally don’t like it and think games that revolve around it are a snooze. That’s why I said thoracle games are a snooze.
@@adamhelgeson9329 fair enough! we think it's more about the journey rather than the ending of a game. this game had a ton of cool stuff in it and some highly unique strategies. personally I loved the yidris deck with a backup hermit druid line. very unique! and that noah guy is so cool
-Noah
once again, I have no library, I win game I'm sorry that it is a cheap win
Been subscribed to this channel for a bit and I gotta say....watching Thoracle wins over and over again is getting boring.
best way to win in the format so I assume people will continue to do it. people like to win efficiently and quickly and this is the premier way to do that. some people like spicy ways to win, some people like to keep it simple.