True Detective "Black Maps and Motel Rooms" (S2E7) Review
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2015
- True Detective season 2, episode 7, "Black Maps and Motel Rooms" is reviewed. In the aftermath of the cop out sex party debacle of episode 6, Ani, Paul and Ray congregate at a motel room to sort through the documents that they have stolen. Will they find any leads? Ben Mankiewicz (Turner Classic Movies), Michelle Boley and Alonso Duralde (TheWrap, Linoleum Knife) discuss!
Wow, this discussion was horrible.
Yeah. That was wierd
David Snipes It was a pretty disappointing discussion. Sure, the plot is complicated and hard to follow. But I sort of like the fact that they aren't treating us like fools and spelling it all out for us.
I was hoping they would spend more time talking about Paul's final scenes, because I thought it was handled very well. It was a very tense moment, the soundtrack stood out to me all leading up to his death.
They also seem to think that Burris is a mastermind behind all of this, when I think he is just another cog in the machine.
David Snipes Agreed. Basically their reasoning seems to be, "We didn't pay attention so this is a bad show." Nothing about it was confusing. Everything got laid out in this episode basically. Also, the sex between Ani and Ray was the perfect moment, because it was both of them coming together as broken people who are very much the same.
FlowerChild65 I know they are strapped to get people in to talk about stuff at times, but listening to the chick who directed one shitty TV movie hate on the writing on a show she's not qualified to watch is mind-boggling.
How in the fuck are these people still not able to recall the names of the minor characters? And how is it relevant? I remember Ben bitching about not able to recall the namen of crucial minor characters (Marie Fontenot, Ledoux, Gilbough, Papania, etc) from Season 1 and it wasn't considered negative part of the show.
So last week they were all praising episode 6 saying it was finally getting exciting, the plot was better and all... and now that we get an even more exciting episode, with great action, old mysteries being solved, character's arc coming full circle, some real emotion (which I thought was lacking so far) they're back to nitpicking everything and complaining. It's like they completely change their mindset from review to review.
But what's worse is that they're starting to mock the season, by highlighting their unability to understand some things. Which is extremely annoying since I take the show seriously and understand all the things they complain about.
Chara Miwa Yeah, changing their mind from review to review is unfortunately quite a common thing on What the Flick. They do it with Game of Thrones, Masters of Sex, and probably other shows too. One week they love it, the next they hate it. Their opinions of an episode of a show, a season of a show, or a show as a whole are pretty inconsistent.
+Chara Miwa Thank you. Could not have said it better myself. Completely agree.
Chara Miwa Makes perfect sense to me. True Detective Season 2 carries a constant love/hate vibe. The story is great until you start picking it apart asking questions about who's who and what's going on. Too many loose threads, red herrings that can't possibly be resolved in a 90-min episode. We shall see.
Franklin Zunge For me, the critics didn't sway my thinking. Episodes 1-3 are confusing. If the season had been delivered whole, like they do on Netflix - Marathon style. Presto! Lag time hurt the story's continuity. I have a good memory, but this show isn't so entertaining that it deserves multiple viewing. You're right . . . Pizzalato could have used better direction and editing. If he'd given us more backstory for Paul, Ani, Ray, Frank and fewer organized criminals/cops we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Hopefully, Pizzalato has learned from this season and we get a tighter Season 3.
JozieLeePro "more backstory"? What the hell did you want more? We literally had flashbacks for Ray and Ani's backstory and Frank gave a 6 min monologue on his...
There are plenty of people who dislike this show for valid reasons. It isn't their thing. Fine. But most of the haters, just don't understand the plot. It's time to be honest and admit that. It's a complicated plot, with a LOT of moving threads, but if you pay careful attention instead of making fun of it, you begin to see how everything fits together and how well constructed the plot was from the beginning. At times it was clunky, and should have been slightly simplified, but everything makes sense, and if you make a little effort, you'll see that. It's not that hard, time to stop expecting shows to spoon-feed you the info. When you are a detective like 3 of the main characters, nobody is spoon-feeding you shit, helping you keep track of who is who. You just figure it out.
Mark Hogan I like the show but I'm still confused about what's going on. You have to set up your own Sherlock Holmes style case board to follow it.
Mark Hogan i don't think this plot is more complicated than season 1, and i understood season 1, this is just shitty storytelling, why do i have to re watch the whole of last weeks episode and search wiki for every minor character i see, just who the fuck has the time to do that, the info dumps and pacing is appalling and sometimes i just give up and say "fuck it they know what they are doing anyway" so many good points like the guys who met in the hippie camp when the were kids, the diamonds, black-water/woodraugh's past that were so poorly executed. i am not a detective i haven't been trained as one and so is the majority of the viewers so yeah we do need to be spoon feed, what detective shows are supposed to do is spoon feed us in a way we don't feel like we've been spoon feed and we understand all the steps like the wire and season 1 of true detective . i don't have a panel like w.t.f to dissect this shit with, so if they are gonna do this shit they might as well release it all at once on some Netflix shit.
Mark Hogan No this season has just been horrible. Taylor Kitsch's entire story from start to finish was god awful. The way that all these detectives are connected to this conspiracy, is preposterous. I didn't watch season one, but this season has been indefensible. I mean Kitsch's death was 100% bullshit. First he takes out a team of trained killers, with a horribly directing action sequence. Then like Ben said, there must 1,000 ways out of there & that guy is just waited at the right door. What if Kitsch left out another exit. What would that guy just wait there for an hour & go "well guess he isn't coming this way".
tyro apache Maybe he heard the gun shots heading his way, positioned himself and waited to see who emerged.
JozieLeePro First of all he would've had to have been aware of the meeting taking place beforehand. And Kitsch just chose a random exit, that happened to be near where was, at that moment. It's preposterous that this guy could've chosen the right door to hide behind. Kitsch could've gone out the original way he came in. Then what is the killer supposed to do.
I'd like to personally thank you on behalf of every single viewer out there for not having Brett be on this review. I truly believe that if you fired Brett, your viewership would increase ten fold.
Rory Parent jesus christ, shut the fuck up with the bitchy whining, or don't watch the show .. look at the like bar to see how invalid your opinions are from time to time
rhn94 Hey how's it going Brett??
Rory Parent i have been loving the input brett has had in all the reviews ive seen him in.. you are just a little bitch
antinsanwo How many different accounts do you have Brett? jeeez.
Rory Parent
hahaha would be funny if i was brett but im not, im a 23 year old from australia lol. he has just made some good observations in some of the eps ive seen him in from game of thrones and true detective, i think a lot of people have opinions on him based on others shows he is on but i dont watch those so im just going off this
I think they put the APB out on her just so they could find her. Not because they intended to prosecute her.
Zemeda Zonne Yup. She has a little accident in police custody, maybe she "goes for someone's gun," maybe she "makes a run for it," she winds up dead, easy as pie.
Zemeda Zonne yep and since they are dirty cops - of course they do that.
Maybe this is one of the TYT things, they are in general to naive - maybe willingly - to be at least a little patriotic. You see this on the main show also a lot, when they go for the major consensus narrative and I can only ask then - really? They seem to produce in general too many shows and videos. Well, it is part of their business model to create an enormous amount of clicks. Many of these videos are garbage. It is so sad, that they do not give "True detectives" a fair chance, because I tried to find other review. There are not many out there, no real competition unfortunately.
Zemeda Zonne Yup these 3 reviews are just 2 stupid to understand that.
Always get excited for these reviews and yet they always trash my beloved True Detective. Sigh.
Derek Diercksmeier it's not trashing when most viewers agreed with them and it's logical why they think so. Like me, sadly. It's still a good series though. People are just mad that it's not as good as the 1st season. imo
Ndoelicious most viewers don't agree with them, though. Maybe it's cause the haters left early, but these last few episodes have been universally loved from what I've seen. I think these guys just aren't attentive enough to keep up with this show so they just blame it on the writers.
It's a pretty well made and smart show but the main problems I have with it personally is that the characters are really uninteresting and the plot is just kind of boring and lacks direction.
TheHolyMackarel that's strange, from everyone i know, they agree with what the flick. and the reviews have pretty much been on par with what they're saying that it makes no sense and is convoluted. like ben said "no one likes this show". i'd be curious where you saw this show is "universally loved" even the trades have given it really lackluster reviews
TheHolyMackarel I'm talking about the entire series, it is written on my comments. Yes, the series is getting better, that's also what I meant earlier by saying why it's still a good series despite of the flaws. I don't have to write a desertation to show what I meant in one comment now was I?
WTF also adressed that matter, of what the show is trying in terms of storyline(not named Ben -if you've seen enough of the show, that's just how Ben is). Most people didn't keep up with the show due to the confusing narrative and direction by the director, not the story itself. But there's always people who always said "you're so stupid, it's so easy to understand", "dumb IGN so stupid, Ori is pretty easy on control" on internet just to be taken as a smart guy.
Is knowing the names of more than 5 people in a show too hard for most people? You guys sure make it seem so.
characterization isn't good
It is when they're as uninteresting as these ones are
>Try to figure out the shows killer
>half ass learning the names of potential suspects
Pick one.
MyKillerMugShot I didn't remember the names of the four main characters till episode 4, maybe because I didn't really care; still don't. If you knew who the fuck Holloway is, good for you, you've got great memory.
MyKillerMugShot what's the point of remembering the names of characters who you can't even understand half the time when they're talking or don't get what they're doing? i don't even remember vince vaughn's characters name because i can't hear/understand or care about 90% of what he's saying. i usually here "mumble mumble the casino mumble money... mumble mumble don't screw me" and the scene cuts to something else i have no idea about
Best line of this review "That is so NOT Burris!" ROFLMAO
When they tell Woodrugh that none of this would have happened if he came out, I think it kind of makes sense. The actress's story in the beginning wouldn't have been believable and he wouldn't have been put on this case. Maybe that's what they meant by that? I don't know, just a thought.
P.S. I really like this show. I guess I'm one of the few.
"No one likes this show right now."
FUCK.
Please if you are going to review something at least commit the effort to understand it. This is an eight hour movie trying to capture the feel of a 1940s TRUE DETECTIVE magazine serial. During the first half some mystery causes an investigation which exposes many different confusing leads. A false climax midway shortcuts the investigation leaving all the clues hanging. The resolution is favored by the bosses for whatever reason, but the True Detective cannot let go. During the second half witnesses and mere shadows are forced into expositions. But the answer remains obscured until a final eureka moment, the green paint in season one, pulls it all together with more exposition followed by a high action finish and usually bad aftermath. Bitching about exposition and confusion is like complaining about fantasy in a fantasy book, like you do on Game of Thrones.
krichardj This thread's top comment. 5-Star!
Sean Dunn agreed.
krichardj Holy shit this is brilliant.
krichardj I agree. I don't think people understand quite yet that this show is a new hybrid form of narrative where there is still three acts, but in 8 hours. It's like they expect this to be an 8 hour Die Hard movie or something. What? there isn't supposed to be mystery that keeps you thinking in a Film noir mystery show? Maybe it's not the BEST thing I have ever seen in my life, but it's great and very difficult to keep an audience compelled for a season(Notice how even the haters can't get enough). People are far too impatient these days and want immediate results and instant gratification. Go jerk off if you want that. I for one enjoy Pizzolatto's story telling and the stylistic way it unravels. Quote of the ep goes to Velcoro: 'Dixon is just a plain dick.'
Im glad some people "get it" and appreciate the skill involved. Beautiful
These types of reviews are basically a mouth piece for nerds who think they can do better than the actual writes and producers, but in reality likely failed every time they tried. They laugh at each others snipes because nobody else does. Geeks is a polite term for them,
fitnready4 These types of comments are basically a mouth piece for losers who think they can do better than the actual critics, but in reality likely failed every time they tried. They laugh at each others snipes because nobody else does. Losers is a polite term for them,
Bill Smith "actual critics" You made me laugh there bro
poontang3zizo Sorry I meant to say writers / producers...
Bill Smith no stop
fitnready4 Apparently no one is allowed to criticise your favorite shows without your permission.
Ben is rocking the facial hair.
probably the worst recap i have ever seen In a RUclips channel.
A disaster!
Agreed. Could they have been less interested/aware of the subject they were discussing? That was odd
It seems like people who like this season get mad with people who aren't liking it.
Although I gotta say I feel like people need to be more patient because it seems like people loose patience very quickly and want everything to be solved immediately.
I think Vince Vaughn's wife is what will tie everything together, that scene where he brings her in to see Blake dead gave me a weird feeling. The look he gave her was almost like Vince knew she was screwing him over too. Also I think she has osips baby because Vince said something about her period being gone for like 3 months or something when he was talking to osip. And finally did anyone notice her boobs were huge in this episode?? I think it's a real clue that she's pregnant lol
A lot of misinformed discussion happening here per usual. At least Brett's gone.
Lol dude film/TV criticism is dead. Reviews like these are the reason why: purposely neglecting the reality of the show/movie for the sake of having something to complain about. Why? Modern day criticism has come down to who can find the most to complain about something the most. Honestly the slightest modicum of focus would answer every question one would have about this show.
Aaron Sanders Unfortunately, I think you're right
My elevator pitch for Season 1 would be "a dark, existential buddy cop drama". For season two I am going for "a cold war where nobody quite knows who their friends are and then shit hits the fan".
I personally have found this season quite compelling but for me it has required me to come at it in more the way I would a video game than a Television Series. There are so many details that are really odd when you think about them and it seems lots of clues you can really enjoy going to town trying to figure out things before the detectives.
To channel something Rust might say, you have to start asking the right questions.
Some of the important ones are.
* Is the person/people who move the body the same person/people who killed Caspere?
* Why move the body from Hollywood to Ventura County?
* Why destroy the eyes and the penis?
* Why take the limo from the movie studio?
* Why take the animal mask?
* Why attack Ray but let him live? It should have been easy to either kill or avoid Ray.
* Why move the limo back to where it ended up, but then come back and torch it?
* Who has the hard drive now? (This question depends on who you think was the Birdman in episode 2).
* Who spilled the beans on Davis's under the radar investigation?
Damn everyone is so harsh. Yeah its a bit hard to follow, but I am still having fun. I love vince vaughn in a serious role. And I am excited to see this come to a big finale.
Hint for WTF reviewers: If you have trouble remembering character names, the IMDb has a detailed list of character and actor names for every flick, with pictures.
i think a lot of the clumsiness and inconsistencies are due to the fact that there is a different director almost every week. last season cary fukunaga directed every episode. i dont know why they didnt do the same for this season.
Earlier the father said he wasn't comfortable pushing his beliefs on others ever since 1980-something. I take it it was then she was raped and it was partly his fault. So it did affect him, but it made him more hippy I guess?
Alonso says "Welcome to Los Angeles" after the nepotism love-in and claps his hands like 'end scene'. Yep, we all felt the same watching that bro. Thanks for wrapping it up.
***** Apparently that whole damned town is like that.
***** They seriously have got to keep the "my cousin..." and "all those places are real!" talk to a minimum, no one gives a shit that you know the place or the people that know the people.
John Gottschalk Well considering he's pretty much the face of Turner Classic Movies today, that's a major selling point. But yes, I agree, it gets old sometimes, as much as I like Ben. Then again, if you were him and your cousin got mentioned on HBO, wouldn't YOU mention it? :)
Shadowman4710 Maybe I woulda said "Johnny Manc, He's my cousin who worked on X" but it was fairly drawn out explanation, and the woman chiming in "I know him too!!!" was too much.
John Gottschalk I can't argue...which is why Alonzo rolled his eyes and said "welcome to Hollywood, folks." Name dropping is only amusing for so long. Ben gets away with it up to a point because of who his family is (the own Rosebud :)) but only up to a point.
6:52 Great point by Ben! Read quite a few articles about this episode and no one else made this point.
I agree with Alonso. I believe Frank's wife is in on his decline.
All the begging she has done, trying to get him to give up and cut out is because she cares enough about him not to want him dead. Not enough not to screw him though. I think he will die pretty much right after we find out she's in on it.
So thank you all for continuing to try and make sense of this show for me. I've been struggling along with seemingly everyone else. You should try and do a recap show before the finale to bring everyone up to speed.
www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/03/true_detective_season_two_a_guide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html
Personally I thought that all the time that Holloway spent in his police uniform, with his name tag that said "Holloway" on his chest pointed straight at the camera, was enough to let me know that he was Holloway. Apparently that wasn't enough of a giveaway.
This nigga Ben is family with everyone lol
I got similar thoughts about this show I liked watching it, but the sudden info dump is really painful. But I am looking forward to the finale!
Its a testament to the poor storytelling of this season, that even professional critics such as the ones on this show, who are generally more perceptive than the general TV watching audience, have a hard time keeping track of all the characters. The narrative for this season was told in a very sloppy fashion.
correct
This is a season where you have to watch everything at least twice to understand it, yet it has absolutely no replay value.
one2gaming I want to rewatch it, but at the same time I don't.
Or just pay attention the first time?
Tanja Buchholz What am I, a fucking genius? This show is nearly impossible to catch all the developments and ties.
If you say you've seen the show once and you are following it well, you're a damned liar.
Dude, its not rocket science, its just a STORY. You just watch each episode, absorb the information and as you gain new information from each episode, connections naturally form. Its like reading a book. There's no trick to it
one2gaming Well clearly you're not...
Damn that was an good episode of True detective. Last episode was so amazing.
I personally had no problem remembering or keeping track of any of the reveals or characters this ep, or all season. Also, love the GoT recaps, but you have to realize that generally, WtFl recaps are kinda famous for having reviewers who don't remember the names of characters in shows or small details. And that AV Club review is terrible.
Anyone who thinks this plot was well worked out... I get where you're coming from.
I liked Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy and everyone else was baffled by it.
But that movie actually gave each relevant character significant screen time and backstory, you just had to connect the dots, because the movie didn't connect them for you.
Here, the show connects all the dots, but doesn't give important characters backstory or screen time. Every major plot point has been revealed through exposition rather than framing.
It's not impressive you managed to follow the plot, there wasn't anything to connect until they connected it for us. That doesn't make good tv. I still enjoyed certain parts of the show though, but I criticize a bunch too.
Seven episodes in , i have no idea what was going on, and barely know any of their names... so excited for the finally ;-)
I loved season 1 and I like a thinking man's show but I am the same way with being confused
People can call me stupid all they want but I have no clue what is going on.
It's surprisingly shocking how clueless they are. There are many problems with this season, especially the writing, but it's not THAT hard to follow.
I honestly think this show suffers from poor writing more than anything. I said it at the end of season 1 and I'll say it again now: Nic Pizzolato isn't good enough to run the show on his own. The show suffers from being extremely monotonous and boring, because there's only a single writer on it, and he only knows how to write dark, (overly) damaged characters. There needs to be some contrast to make the show less boring and depressing to watch. They nailed it in season 1. The somewhat pretentious writing made sense back then due to Rust Cole's character being a bit of a weirdo. This season it seems like Nic attempted to force even more pretentious, cringe-worthy dialogue out of characters where it makes no sense for them to talk that way. It's just dumb.
Burris was the shooter at the house. He was the first guy on the scene and when asked why he was there so quick said something along the lines of "When one of my guys are shot, I'm there"
Guys, I'm fine with this discussion. I get some of the names confused and forgot who Burris was, and I really like this season. WTF is pointing out things they like amidst the confusion... the real trolling is on IMDB, early Rolling Stone reviews, etc.
We know who the birdman is at this point. It's not Buriss, obviously.
Caspere was killed by the children of the victims of the robbery during the 92 riots.
with regards to the orgy, I don't blame her for not staying after she spotted at least three people who could easily blow her cover if they looked to closely. The bit that threw me the first time around was how paul was waiting for them at the exit, but then I remembered the radio tracking device in Ani's shoe.
'That's not a Burris move' xD Burris is the new Stan
Ben, I wonder if that TCM line from Kelly Reilly was a nod to you?
Here is the synopsis for "Splendor in the Grass".
"A fragile Kansas girl's unrequited and forbidden love for a handsome young man from the town's most powerful family drives her to heartbreak and madness."
Hissyfitx In the Splendor in the Grass scene , we see a stronger/older Deani who comes to visit Bud only to find he's a poor dirt farmer, married with children. The rich football hero, is long gone. Their tempetuous love has passed. He's settled for a mundane life. Same as Paul Woodrough. Quote from the film, "Though nothing can bring back the hour/Of splendor in the grass, glory in the flower/We will grieve not. Rather find/Strengh in what remains behind..." - William Wordsworth
What the Flick's?! reviews have been the best thing about watching True Detective this season...I seriously hope you guys find a few new shows to review now though. There aren't a lot of TV series' that you're reviewing at the moment, particularly shows that include people like Ben or Robert Abele as part of the review group.
If we could have them instead of Brett in the reviews, that would be MUCH APPRECIATED. Brett is totally fine on Pop Trigger, but on this channel the way he stops the entire review in its tracks to constantly make asinine, unimportant points for the sake of a comedic "bit", (a bit which also happens to take forever and is spoken as slowly and unhumourously as possible), and it is really wearing on my nerves, (and seemingly other's nerves too, judging by comments on videos with Brett).
What the Flick?! is one of my very favourite channels, but lately the only thing that has been tarnishing it has been the lack of quality reviewers like Ben Mankiewicz and Robert Abele, and then the filling of their spots with Brett Erlich. The difference in the quality of insight, intelligence, entertainment value, and presence is of such a drastic dichotomy between Ben and Robert and then Brett, that it can be pretty hard to swallow. I'd rather see just Bibbs and Alonso rather than add Brett in, even though having a third person always makes the review better.
PLEASE - hear my plea - *MORE BEN & ROBERT - LESS BRETT!*
You guys should review Ray Donovan. Such a great show.
I really didn't like the first half of this season, and it still isn't perfect... But this episode was briliant, and I really don't understand why these guys are trashing it
I've been harsh on this season so far...but I actually liked this episode. This was the first one that I can say has been "very good." The plot, yeah, it's still convoluted as hell, but at least I can see what they were *trying* to do here. Has it been successful? Marginally. Verdict's still (a little) out, though. Vince Vaughn in this episode, though? Loved him. FINALLY.
I think we're gonna see Ani's belt blade in the finale.
I've been following the plot, and I really enjoyed the episode. I was on edge when it was going down with Paul, I really didn't want it to end for him, I pumped my fist when he killed all those dudes, damn.. And I thought the scene with Ani and Ray at the table was really gripping. Nice to see Frank cutting loose too, I was almost expecting he'd just kill the russian dude at the bar outright and shoot up all his guys like scarface
Yes, Holloway was the one Kitsch beat the shit out of.
So, the first time AV Club gives this season an A and WTF didn't like it. *sigh*
This show just can't win.
holy crap, newfound respect for Ben! some really insightful criticism.
I don't understand how you can like that Paul "didn't get his moment". Because his death left me feeling so frustrated and unsatisfied - partly because of the way he died (he was literally SO close to escaping; he already beat all of those guys that surrounded him, was already out the door and then BAM that asshole Burris appears out of nowhere) and partly because he didn't really resolve /any/ of his issues. Also, his life was basically just suckage after suckage and when he finally gets the chance to start dealing with all his repressed stuff (and may eventually find happiness), he isn't even given the opportunity to take that chance, because he gets killed. I can't be the only one who finds that incredibly unsatisfying to watch.
Other than that, I've actually been enjoying this season a lot and don't know what all the complaints are about. I've been able to follow the plot really well, you just have to pay a bit more attention and you'll know what's going on. The one I'm currently rooting for the most is Frank - I loved him this episode and I hope he manages to screw Osip and his guys completely and gets away with it.
Not every character can have a closure or redemption because that is something that is very common in real life.
Enrique Godinez I know, but I like to watch TV to "escape" from real life. I mean, I've watched shows where justice doesn't get served and all that and while they certainly are more realistic, I found myself enjoying them less in the end. It's probably just a personal preference.
I thought the pace of this episode was great. I loved seeing all their worlds were collapsing. It felt very claustrophobic in a sense, everyone and anyone could be involved in the conspiracy.
The thing I love about the writing (of both seasons) is that nothing gets pointlessly explained. To be honest I watched the first season three times and have problems to understand everything... same with this season. I don't get a lot of things concerning the case (it's probably also because I'm german and don't understand everything because I watch it in english). But that doesn't matter to me. I loved the first season because it was beautifully philosophical and the second one because (mostly because of this episode) for the emotional impact it has on me. These stories are about the characters and that's it, i think. This is a straight up drama with a little bit of a crime story. Not the other way around. Stop excepting to get everything explained all the time. This isn't CSI or Criminal Minds.
Holy shit what an episode..I thought Paul was going to make it for a second, fucking Birdman! Also loved the use of the music from the finale in S1 that they used tonight at the end. They really could have used Paul for the finale fight though,...god dam I'm pissed! His character was so doomed from the start I felt, and so tragic. I was really pulling for him but as soon as the audience and him found out he had a baby on the way, with this type of show, I knew he was doomed.
On a side note, I think Frank redeemed himself towards any doubters previous to this episode. Frank was BADASS this episode and I'm actually rooting for him to pull through, but last time I rooted for Paul, well we saw how that played out..Don't get me started on Jordan because I don't trust her for one minute.
Lmfao @15:36"but-why would Burris wear a bird mask? Thats not a Burris move!" :3 thats so not Burris ...
Antigone would never make it to court for killing the security guard. She'd end up shot on sight while being apprehended, or dead in a holding cell.
Hand of God episode 1 was the best true detective episode I've seen in a long time
when and IF you can finally figure out what is going on, the story is quite good. After every episode I google and read every recap online to make sure I have the story straight. The story is great and complex, but the writing and execution of it are poor. Love the twists, but sometimes they are so obscurely presented it is easy to miss them. Or rush by so quickly and out of the blue it is hard to process them. I record the show, my husband and I watch it together, and we are always pausing it to confer to make sure we got it straight.
I have no idea what is going on in this show
You guys planning on doing Mr Robot? stopped watching S2 of TD after i saw the pilot of that.
MxZeal I was really hoping they would too, that show is making up for TD season 2.
+Claude Brun that's exactly what I said to my buddy's lol!
If you didnt get dynamic of that sex scene between Velcoro and Bezzeredes you didnt get their characters at all.. it was obvious to me they both felt so dull nothing human ,like robots full of ugly stuff. They finally found each other at the bottom of the self pity hole.
I think all the major characters are going to die. This show has been building towards something drastic like that.
This season needed 10, maybe 12 episodes. It's not complete.
one of the few times i completely agree with what the flick is during true detective. this show makes ABSOLUTELY no sense and at this point i don't even care.
So if I understand correctly, which believe me I'm sure I don't, the masterminds of all this stuff are the two low level cops? What?
God, this episode was so damn good.
I was going to go on a long winded diatribe attacking these morons and defending the show. However, I read the comments and my spirits were lifted. I think the majority of persons 'get' True Detective and accepts it as a brilliant series despite its few shortcomings. For whatever reason it was the in thing with critics to hate on it this season. We get the world we deserve, unfortunately. And its idiots like these that dismiss powerful storytelling like True Detective in favor of trite, uninspired entertainment which pervades modern society.
The gentleman playing Osip was definitely a bad guy. I've never seen him on a show where he was a good guy, Criminal Minds, Sons Of Anarchy, Burn Notice etc.
Kshaka Well since he was introduced in Ep1 as a Russian gangster, the odds were that he was never going to be the good guy :)
That's Hollywood type casting for ya. Actors have to pay the bills. True Detective was the Latest A list Hollywood show.
Kshaka He always plays the Russian mobster. He did that in the Miami Vice movie and Bad Boys II also.
They could have had many people at all the exits, remember the line, we have eyes every where? THINK
I know it's a minor mistake but they titled the show True Detectives not Detective lol
These guys must really be determined to hate this show if they still thought episodes 6 and 7 were bad.
***** Saying "lol" on your own posts doesn't make them funny. Did your mother put you in time-out for the day because you didn't eat your vegetables? Get a hobby kid.
Indian? What the fuck are you talking about? I think you've actually overdosed on hallucinogenic drugs. Please see a doctor.
***** You forgot to log out of your alt before you deleted your posts, Sandy. Rookie mistake.
***** I know you're really desperate for your first friend, but it's not happening. You've been pretty rude.
***** Yup
I love WTF, but it seems like you are somehow both not paying attention to the show and then reviewing it by saying 'It doesn't make sense to me."
they are all going to die! true detective is living up to the hype! they are all way over their heads!
yeah i'm really tired of people hating on this season too. the whole season 2 review by the WTF crew really disappoints me. Season 2 is just made differently. You don't have that season 1 narration style, and it my humble opinion it makes a huge difference on how the current season is viewed. I love season 2 and i think they did an awesome job wih it. It's just made differently, so get over yourselves and stop comparing the two seasons and cracking stupid jokes at them and making snotty comments cause it's freaking annoying as hell.
Please, you owe it to your fans to pay attention. I don't understand how these character names and plot points are going so far over your heads.
WHERE IS HUMANS? You guys dont even know how good it gets. Trust me!
You guys must either be checked out from this show or maybe shouldn't be reviewers altogether. How did you not realize the whole scene with Ani's father in the woods was to hint that it could have possibly been him that molested her!? I thought she was going to gut him right there when she was staring him down and he was like, 'I thought you said you didn't remember anything?'. Even if it wasn't him, they made strong indications it could have been with a younger version of what looked like Ani's father luring her into the van.
That was not her dad. The guy in her flashback kidnapped her & kept her in the woods for 4 days. In one scene her dad expresses to her how he couldnt sleep on those nights she was missing and how he regrets not being more protective of her; that he was so permissive because his dad was so strict and he vowed never to be that way
hmm for reviewers they should have a lot more humility about how unaware they are about the plot/characters. "who is burris/who is holloway?" is just an unacceptable question at this point; the show is sort of assuming you can handle following a semi adult timeline, they have to take some responsibility for their lack of understanding. it does require a bit of thinking about, its true, but at this point they just seem lazy. (to help understand the plot ive been watching each episode twice)
I watched the episode.
Did they actually watch the show?
Jeremy Hannaford made a better review of this episode. All true detective fans check out his show.
I don't know if the critics of this video have ever seen the movie Birdman the Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance but I think you should listen to Michael Keaton's review of what a critic is. You imbeciles seem to capture that talentless stupidity pretty well with your lack of understanding of the series thus far. You hate for the sake of hating and have no comprehension beyond that nor do you have any desire to understand otherwise. You've judged without even looking. Truly sad that you are people that others look to for reviews.
Who are these elderly people?
"near as i can tell, no one likes this show right now" seems like a sort of arrogant way to make one feel better about Themself not liking the show. it was like when they stopped reviewing brink because ben can't handle immature humor and there was a bit of puke in one episode, but instead of admitting that about himself he blames the show entirely. "this is a bad show...its no good" if you want to hate the show (due to lack of understanding most likely...) then thats fine, but to claim the show is at fault and no one likes it is just a really cowardly argument imo.
Wow this sounds so confusing - makes this show sound like a mess.
I miss Brett.
Everything is fucking.
What?
This is like watching three people who have only seen 10 minutes of a show and the review is them fumbling trying to work out what happened. Generally a review is based on the reviewer who actually saw the show and actually understood what was going on, you don't even know who half the characters are, very poor review indeed.
This season is so awful :(
i actually really liked this episode. wtf. i honestly don't get it.
I have some sympathy for the problems you guys highlight. The show needs devout attention and has lots of 'homework', so there are flaws, but do you really advocate shows being dumb? I think you're missing a balance here and should have a little more patience for the shows ambition and respect for the viewer's intelligence.
Again, you're making some very valid points, but there's an overall very negative vibe here which is a little unfair.
note to self: never do a 17 minute review of a TV show if you aren't exactly sure what to talk about.....
This review is a million times better than the episode.
This season has been pure garbage. Anyone defending this season is delusional.
Paul is dead :(
The King Slayer oo Miss him, miss him...
+The King Slayer oo Whose Paul?
The blonde cop of the show
The King Slayer oo I'm kidding. Because everyone's name is impossible to remember.
one2gaming Which is why we all call him the Gay Guy :)