The Inevitable Downfall Of True Detective
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- When Season 1 first hit the airwaves, True Detective was a force to be reckoned with. With an cast starring Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson, and a story unlike any of seen before, True Detective was truly lightning in a bottle. Though as we move into Seasons 2 and 3, True Detective began a downward spiral. Can Season 4 of True Detective, Night Country, recapture the magic of Season 1?
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I rewatch Season 1 about once every year or two.
Time really is a flat circle…
It was that good. I don’t rewatch many tv shows but I can say I’ve certainly rewatched season 1!
@@JassyPooh01 It’s been said that it’s like an 8 hour movie.
And for me, it’s one of my favorite movies of all time.
I just rewatched again a couple of weeks ago. It really holds up.
That’s how I see it, also my favourite film alongside se7en@@TheAlphaLegionnaire
It's every spring for me.
Nothing went wrong. Season 1 is a lightning in a bottle that can never topped by any piece of media.
pov: you’ve only watched cable
@@yungvinnii I can only think of a handful of series that were as unique and interesting as TD1. I don't really take issue with someone helming it as their all time top.
I just rewatched season 1 three days ago for like the fifth time in as many years. I totally agree, it's not so much that it went downhill as it is that the first season was this bizarre masterpiece that the other seasons don't even try to top. The other seasons are still really good, and I'm honestly pretty excited for the upcoming season my instincts are telling me it's gonna be good based on what I've heard so far, and for Jodi Foster to come out for it - I trust she wouldn't without good reason.
Breaking bad has simply just more great content than true detective. but true detective season 1 is the best single season ever just not the best show
Quantity vs Quality. I personally felt that TD season 1 topped breaking bad. It was the only TV show that I even consider comparably good. Only watched TD season 2 now, as I wanna watch season 4 as its coming out - and it's not bad. But the thing is, True Detective is an Anthology - and the first season is a story in and off it self, that's unbeatable in my eyes.@@harrywatson2694
I can't imagine the stress of being in charge of following up a masterpiece. Season 2 was always going to fall short.
That's why I worry for season 5 of Stranger Things, the last season's build up was almost too good.
@@BeastyBoyXDeven then no season has come close to living up to the first season
All of them. Season 1 is just in another level.
Season 2 has terrible editing and spotty story telling. It's bad in a lot of ways lol.
I enjoy it overall but it's not that good even on its own.
I think I am the only person who actually loves season 2 I have watched it every year since it came out . I can totally understand why some people don't like it but I think its just as good as the first season and it even does its female characters right. She has flaws, problems issues and is shown as weaker to the dangerous men, she's not a strong, empowered , stunning , brave and superior women like modern Hollywood keeps trying to insist is an average woman
My favourite line from Season 1:
"Let's make the car a place for quiet contemplation"
My wife punches me every time I say it 🤣
silent reflection
@@CH-sl5eq It's been a while :)
" stop saying odd shit" lmao that one got me as well
It's about the most creative way anyone has ever come up with to say "STFU", isn't it?
PS I - You didn't have the wording exactly right, but no worries. I've been off on quotes & lines of dialog much, much worse than that, believe me!
PS II - My wife isn't too fond of it either. Fortunately for me, she has a short reach & I have good reflexes . . . 🙃
I've often wanted to say the same thing whilst in the communal sauna at our local swimming pool. Bloody natter boxes in there while I'm trying to focus on not being in pain. I've got an inoperable tumor in my spine like. The home sauna is well underway and nearly up n running. At least I won't have to lay in other people's bum sweat or listen to their loud waffle. Big love from Grimsby all.
Fun Fact: The first season of True Detective was entirely shot on film
Barely surprising or entertaining tidbit actually
@@KillRhythmDisagree.
@@KillRhythmdisagree
@@KillRhythmTelevison had largely transitioned to digital at that point, so having True Detective shot on 35mm film does make it a bit of an outlier.
100% shot all on film. Except for the oner. That was on on Alexa. Only because 400’ of film is 6 minutes long and the oner was longer. Source. I was there
The difference is that Pizzalato spent YEARS imagining, crafting, editing, and retooling the original story. And HBO just wanted more seasons slapped out to maximize the show's popularity. In the long run, the only thing that matters is creative integrity and imaginative inspiration
True. I also feel like they did the same with season 4. I feel like night Country wasn't supposed to be a True detective story but a completely separate TV show , and HBO wanted the assurance that people would watch it. And TBH I like the new season IF i ignore is a TD season.
Money and greed always destroys itself, because evil (in its very nature) tears down all the progress that good has made.
A band/artist has their whole life to come up with their first album, and thismuch time to rush out the second.
One of the things I most liked about the first season is that it had a hint--a suggestion--that something supernatural might be going on. That possible presence is so subtle that it can be as easily explained--perhaps more easily explained--as mere natural goings-on. And yet the show left me with the feeling that there was something supernatural underlying everything. This was done so masterfully and nothing in the subsequent two seasons approached it. The new season... I've only seen two episodes, I'll see where it's going. But nothing will top that first season, it's perfection.
Great observation. The first season is quite a bit of esoteric elements that weave throughout the story. That’s the magic of the first season. The connection that the show writers were able to convey between the natural and supernatural was masterfully done.
Season 4 brings that element back for sure. Whether it will reach the level of season 1 remains to be seen but Jodie Foster and Kali Reis are both nailing their roles. A fantastic watch thus far.
My wife and I have watched the first four episodes of season 4. It's not bad, but it is definitely leaning more into the science fiction/ supernatural angle. I am more into that stuff than my wife, but I am sure we will finish it just to see how it ends. It is definitely more in your face than season 1 in that regard.
Apparently, the ghosts, and the voices that guided the two detectives to the truth, were just Cleaning Ladies Team 6 (while Prior was the only character that actually did any detective work, behind screen).
Nah it didn’t. On its own it’s not bad at all. But the finale is meh
A big difference between season 1 and 2 was that S1 had Rust with his abstract and bleak ideas, but it also had Marty to be the balancing act everyman who'd give him a tired look and tell him "Stop saying odd shit/I'm begging you to shut the fuck up." Rust was an anomaly in that world, where the other characters didn't know how to handle him.
Where in S2 it felt like every character was trying to be Rust. They all talked depressing & weird about life and they all had endless "odd shit" conversations with each other. Vince Vaughn straight-up talked like an alien. It didn't have the regular human element that made season 1 feel real.
And on top of that, Rust was actually FUNNY. Barely anybody in season 2 was ever funny.
Yes, Season 2 had a very intricate conspiracy, requiring viewers to pay close attention to every line and scene to avoid confusion by the end.
@@ghost25763 Which wasn't ideal cos so many scenes were boring and incomprehensible.
“What do you think the average IQ of everyone here is?”
Had me rolling
@@b0zz1380y "Wash up, you got some pussy on you."
"I'm so done talking to you like a man."
"L'chaim, fatass."
People forget that Rust was hilarious.
I didn't have the patience to watch the second season when it came out but i finally did it last year. I loved it. Like someone else pointed you do need some focus here, not everyone is ready for that all the time.
One thing that the first season did was subvert the "Breaking Bad" trope which was popular at the time. I.e, take a relatable and likeable character, and gradually have them get more and more evil, until eventually the audience WANTS them to fail.
True Detective did the opposite: it took two hard-to-like characters and gradually made you understand and care for them, before finally giving them an amazing redemption arc. That's what was so special to me about the first season.
If that was the goal of "Breaking Bad" then I guess it didn't work on me because I honestly didn't want Walter White to fail.
Instead, I rode all the way down into the pit along side of him until he went out in a very satisfying blaze of glory.
EXACTLY!
@@eddiemalvinI still think breaking bad is the best tv writing ever, TF S1 is close second.
Walther white is a great character, I wanted him to put smart gus and the cartel etc, on the other hand he was really mean to Jesse and took advantage of him.
The conflicting nature was what made the show great!
@@eddiemalvinlol that’s the total joy of TV Walter raped his wife, murdered Jesse’s girl, and didn’t he try to murder that kid?
Totally great that you were rooting for him, but I think he was written to be hated 😂😂
What the hell are you yappin about, if u wanted Walter white to "get what he deserves" and rooted for him to fail theres something wrong with you
There's a saying in the music business that sums up this problem pretty good it goes you have your whole life to write your first album but only 6 months to write you second
Amen, but with most successful artists out there, you'll always find they actually made more than one "album", before they got to release their first. It goes for musicians, writers or any other creator.
Artists like Radiohead have all these unreleased records, and Quentin jumping from script to script, even though he would be focusing on a singular one to release next. And with that intensive work is how artists build a style, a signature. As rare as it is, some just keep on creating, non-stop, even if they are in the middle of a specific craft, so much so when they release one, they'd already be on their way to release the next one.
With Nic, however, it's like everyone keeps saying, it was lightning in a bottle, maybe a once in a lifetime thing for him. He put his all into just that one thing, and then nothing came after, even after all these years. I can't tell what his thing is, he doesn't have a style or signature. The first season is just a pile of inspirations (a pretty ingenious one at that), with the help of another creative mind that brought it to screen. But other than that, Nic just didn't make enough works, or have enough time, to mold his style.
@@PalaceDudesure, but they typically pick the best of what they have at the time for the first. Leaving them with both old “lesser” material to consider or come up with new stuff for the second.
Want to know what went wrong? McConaughey & Harrelson delivered a MASTERCLASS in acting - impossible to follow up after that
I think upcoming series needs more Lovecraft and cosmic horror. Seeing normal rational humans grapple with unnatural malevolent forces was a big draw of s1 for me.
And just like 1 these things should never explicitly appear on screen. There has to be enough to doubt
At least the new season seems to lean more into that now.
I was initially intrigued by the premise of S4, but it really just feels like they (the writers) have tried to re-tread the same ground.
Slightly paranormal murder. A past unsolved murder. A contentious relationship between the two investigators. They have all “content” but the dialogue and characterization feel like cheap copies of Rust and Marty.
And the supporting cast, especially the previous sheriff, is comically inept and nasty. It’s just silly.
Yeah ... but at the end of the day, there really weren't "unnatural malevolent forces" in S1 -- just f*cked up bad guys and "Lovecraftian" overtones. I remember some people being unhappy that there was no cosmic entity revealed in the end. They expected Cthulhu or a similar supernatural monster to show up. They got Errol Childress instead. I guess they forgot that the inspiration for those overtones in True Detective wasn't Lovecraft.
@@dashx1103 Those overtones *Are* Lovecraftian. In Lovecraft we *rarely* see or understand the monsters. The only people who experience them are insane or affected in some other way. *Exactly like Rust*
So really I think you have no idea what you are talking about. True Detective S1 is the best Lovecraftian TV show ever made.
Season 4 makes seasons 2 & 3 look like masterpieces by comparison
Yeah, season 4 was ass and felt like a totally different show. Season 2 is decent, and season 3 is good, but of course nothing compares to season 1.
Had hopes for season 4, but it tried too hard to be "female season 1" and ended up sucking ass, just a woke clusterfuck.
Season 4 was a woke sexist anti white POS
Why is it even marketed as part of the series? It has no detectives and is like a second rate Stephen King story rather that a detective show.
No. season 4 was Bad, but season 3 was a very bad and boring Joke.
Most boring season of something EVER...
plus season 2 is good, but not like the great season 1.
Season 3 is the worst ever
I think people don’t emphasize enough that Season 1, while not technically supernatural, had a creepy atmosphere where you couldn’t shake the feeling that the cult MIGHT not be totally full of $hit at times. The ambiguity made it unique and deeper than most cop dramas.
The next two seasons totally lacked that. Season 4 looks to have it back, but hopefully not too far in the other (overtly supernatural) direction.
I actually just binged all 3 seasons. I rewatch the 1st season every couple years. It's no question a masterpiece. I think season 2 is underrated. It's actually the first season I saw. 3 isn't bad at all. But you can feel them trying to hit a formula. I'll be on the couch ready for season 4 come Sunday.
Yeah I fully believe if season 2 has come first, people would've loved it, but season 1 was just way too good, and was near impossible to live up to. It was also so different without the same actors, but also because it really changed the format. Season 3 is considered a return to form because it at least went back to a buddy cop situation with a horrific case that spanned decades of story telling, while season 2, which I loved, as it's own thing, is off because it's more about a mob guy and a crooked cop, and is a very linear story. Pizalato said season 1 was a murder mystery because he couldn't pitch a story about 2 guys riding around talking about life, and yet for some reason when he had a chance to do a second season, sort of took that whole element of two interesting characters talking life right out of it. It would've been much easier to say the formula is 2 actors playing 2 cops with a case spanning decades and having to discuss the case in interrogation like season 1, but he erased all formula, which kind of just made it a completely disconnected show under the same name. Heck it probably would've been better received if he had changed the title from true detective.
Season 2 is great till the last two episodes, and then the "HBO Ending" kicks in, where things have to end up as miserable as possible, and everyone has to die.
Agreed I enjoyed all of the seasons
@@BigSmiley0TV If season 2 came before S1 and S1 never existed, then it might have been treated better, but no one would talk about True Detective after the season would have concluded. It would merely be a crime series like the 100 other crime series that gets produced every year. It's not a good season, but it is not as bad as many claims it to be.
Nah season 2 is shit but season 3... man, it's definitely in the class of s1. I just re-watched the finale and it's severely underrated. S1 is top-notch legendary entertainment. But it doesn't hit as deep as s3.
With all the actors in season 2, not finding a good story is criminal.
Even with a good story, it still would have sucked. With casting Vince Vaughn.
@@mg-ThisHandleIsSoStupidYou just gotta give him to play himself, that is what he is good at, a goofy tall sarcastic guy, I mean he was great in "Brawl in Cell Block 99" movie, but I agree, he is not a serious actor in my opinion.
@@alexcoyg3281 Actually He was great in Cell Block 99. First movie He did where I thought maybe He could act?
Too many cooks spoil the broth
I laughed hysterically during the scene when Vaughn is stumbling through the desert. I don't dislike Vaughn, but he was awful in TD 2.
Ten years later & it's still as fresh as ever. The best TV show of the last decade. Season One rules. ❤
Anything coming after Season 1 is inevitably going to be a downfall because it was literally the best single season of TV ever seen.
And the current fourth season, although it does have Judy Foster, its just absurd
Season 2 separated from season one is a very good show. Rewatched it recently and it was an incredible season but when originally watching it I honestly didn’t like it because of what season one made me anticipate
Same the more I rewatch it the more I like it I never hated it,but it was meh to me the first time I viewed it in 2015 and first two episodes where confusing with all the names,locations and plot,but the more you rewatch it and notice all the details and well written characters and intelligent plot and great storytelling the more it grows on me. Ray in particular is one of the best characters out of all seasons so complex,well written and three dimensional and performance from Collin Farell was phenomenal. Season 2 was just different and people didn't expect it,while season 1 is psychological detective story with serial killer and cult elements,2 is more like dark and brutal crime thriller with some detective elements. I personally really like 2 now.
This reminds me of the musical equivalent: An artist has a lifetime to make their first album and two years to make their second.
Nic Pizzolatto is on record saying that True Detective is something he’s always wanted to make and spent years writing and rewriting.
Inevitably, the follow up was never going to have the depth and subtlety as the first season.
My single favourite season of television. Nothing I’ve watched has ever captured my attention like it. Once a year I rewatch it.
It's right up there for me. But S4 of The Wire is absolutely my favorite season of TV ever.
I'm reverse of that order, but I agree with the sentiment.
The 4th season is absolutely nothing like the first 3 seasons. Which is not a good thing. There is no recollection or retelling of the case, everything is happening in the here and now, characters are unlikeable, the atmosphere of the town and location is great tho but that's it. It's really trying to be badass female everything.
I haven't watched the show in years, but I can tell you season 4 isn't true detective, only in name, not spirit.
For me season 1 worked because it felt very dark and sinister with it's almost hidden underlying narrative. I think the setting helped a lot with that, just creepy locations. Season 2 just didn't pull me in. It wasn't the acting or the directing, it was the narrative and locations. It was a very different story.
I think it would’ve worked better if it had been in a more dilapidated area,like Detroit.
I always thought that every season should’ve involved the yellow king in some way, just like the original anthology by Robert w Chambers did, it would’ve been a cool way to link everything together while still keeping it an anthology show. I’d prefer that over just having Cole and Hart’s pictures show up randomly in Season 3
Without outright articulating it, they did.
Yeah that symbol does keep coming back I guess@@moragslothe6449
While I more or less wrote off TD halfway through season 2, a friend recently convinced me to watch season 3, and I've got to say I kind of loved it. Yes, a lot of the weirdness of season 1 was sanded down, and the story is a somewhat more straightforward police procedural. But all things considered, still an amazing season of television. Highly recommended.
Finish season 2. It's a lot better than season 3, can be confusing, but hits hard like season 1. Writing was rushed, but amazing characters and acting, tenseness, and noir.
@@bboyagua Agreed, S1 top tier, one of the best shows of all time, S2 is decent neo-noir crime/mafia/police tv show (tbh, if they'd just focused on Rachel McAdams character, I think it would have worked better; letting in a gangster to the audiences' POV felt off), but S3 I couldn't keep my eyes open for. I have chronic fatigue (and severe, chronic pain) and fell asleep multiple times through S3. The writing is cringe too, how the black fella cop meets his 'to-be' wife, it's awful, "Oh, you like books?" "Yeah, I like books", "Oh, that's unique (no, no it isn't), I should read more", "Why don't you?" "Oh, I don't know..." (omg I'm falling asleep). So contrived. S1 I waited on every word.
And now we’ve reached Season 4, woke, feminist drivel, courtesy of Issa Lopez, who made a few shows in Mexico. Jodie, WTF were you thinking, signing on to this shite?
@@michaelsegriff3362 If you don't like women being in positions of power, bad luck. Get over it. Seriously.
I’m with you. I just watched all three for the first time and I gotta say, S3 was my favorite, I think. I just liked the characters more, the story was understandable but not dumbed down like NCIS or other primetime garbage, and the acting was phenomenal.
I comepletly agree season 1 was great. But give season 3 some credit! I thought Ali was fantastic and the ending was a perfect fit
Just rewatched season 2 and I think it’s now my favorite. The dialogue is thick and there’s lots of characters to keep track of, but the conspiracy runs so deep. It touches on subjects that were beginning to be explored in the late 90s with movies like eyes wide shut. Favorite line in season 2 “Now, enjoy the party Osip. The full moon is the best time to ratify alliances.” 👀
Season 2 is completely under rated. I feel bad for everyone involved in it, because it deserved far more recognition.
The 'newness' of season one can never be repeated. HBO had become a place where creators could go to produce great TV. Count off all the great shows from the previous decade: The Sopranos, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, True Blood. True Detective was different in almost every way, telling the story of a murder investigation inside the story of the relationship between the detectives. No matter how much Pizzolato took from his influences, it was mesmerizing TV. That is hard to duplicate.
Utter nonsense. Yes it can. Easily.
Just like how the best shows ever made get better every season.
This was just an example of incompetence from the suited higher ups, surprise surprise.
They've ruined it and good riddance.
They had gold, but they've got nothing now.
I'll only ever watch S1 and the rest can go suck a 🍆
I didn’t see season 2 but I really liked season 3! It wasn’t as good as season 1 but in some ways I connected with it more
Watching S3 right now it is SO good.
Why not at least watch s2?
@@kylem03000 I don’t even remember why exactly and I’ll probably go back and watch it. Good thing it’s an anthology and I can watch it any way I want 😏
I also really liked season 3.
How do you just skip a season?
Nic Pizzolatto had more time to plan for Season 1, and less time for the second, since it was released just one year later. Rust's overdone, pretentious dialogue made sense for the character, since he was grieving his daughter, but it isn't quite as effective when you slap it on random characters.
I worry that 'Night Country' will be a flop. To be honest I'm more excited for Tokyo Vice Season 2, The Penguin, Masters of the Air and The Sympathizer.
@enterthebruce9116 well it hasn't been a flop two episodes in
@@vidmasterK1 yeah it's a complete train wreck with no survivors.
@@guidoferrari5415 says who? That vocal minority who's always on the internet?
@@guidoferrari5415 hello?
1st season will be a timeless masterpiece forever and it has a very special place in my heart, but 2 was actually excellent imo - yes it was different, but somehow even more emotional. Rachel, Vince, Colin in particular absolutely nailed the performances!
That one haunting song the lady in the bar would always sing slapped and no one can tell me any different
I still thought it was great
I already said it but if you think of "Nite of" as season 2 and scratch their official Season 2 out. Its still does well. 3rd was ok. The 4th looks pretty good. 1st season is in my top 5 of anything ive ever watched though, movies or shows.
@@StruggleBusStudios Absolutely, the soundtrack was insanely good!
@@Bryan-fb8dh I have actually yet to see S3, because i've seen alot of people say that it just doesn't feel like True Detective...I'll watch it someday, but i'm glad 4 got a great feedback! I'm right there with you, the first one is just "One in a million" moments in TV and very hard to top :)
True Detective season 1 was written by a novelist (not a sitcom writer) and it was damn good. A year after Hemingway wrote The Old Man and the Sea, there wasn't a horde of nerds and executives pressuring him with chants of "DO IT AGAIN, DO IT AGAIN." Enjoy the 1st season for what it is, you won't get it again.
name of novelist ?
You summed it up perfectly - season 1 was lighting in a bottle. Artists go their whole careers without capturing it. It’s a kind of miracle to capture it once.
Joseph Heller never wrote anything as good as Catch 22, but as he remarked himself: “Neither has anyone else.”
I think even if season 2 was about Rust and Marty, it wouldn't have landed. I think what made the story great was all of it's themes, actors, crew, plot and setting working together in that moment and by the end of the show it started to feel exhausted. There really was no where else for the show to go afterwards that wouldn't have been disappointing. I tend to think of the show as an 8 hour movie. It's self contained and nearly perfect.
Season 2 has definitely found a resurgence of interest all this time later, it's a totally different beast than season 1 and great in its own way.
Fukanaga isn't an autuer. Like Peckinpah said : There's only 2 directors in Hollywood the rest are just atmosphere. He immediately went on to direct the total crud - No Time To Die.
please give names of 2 directors !
A very insightful video, as always! Always loved this channel
Bro it’s been 2 minutes and the video’s 8 minutes long so you defo didn’t watch the whole thing to be able to say this 💀
lmao yeah ya got me i'm just showin love@@justanotherguy.
I’m watching this because of how disappointing season 4 was. It completely destroyed the series for me and is by far the worst in show history.
No. Season 3 is
Season 2 was damn good. We can't just enjoy things any more. Not every musician I listen to has to be a genius, not every book I read has to be a masterpiece.
rust had such a good backstory as well. being forced to do undercover work with some drug gang which in turn fried his brain which in turn let the show writers put a lot of weird visual stuff into the story. all that tied in nicely with the satanic/cult storyline while still remaining grounded in reality.
i think another key thing about season 1 is how the story is told in flashbacks. it allows the characters in the flashbacks to act more normal and not have to explain everything in detail to each other. all i remember from season 2 was the characters talking about stuff for the first 4 episodes and mentioning so many names . it didnt help there were 4 different main characters to keep track of as well
Oh boy just wait until you watch season 4, the amount of apologies season 2 deserves 🤣
For real
Anyone else more offended they lazy and bad season 4 showrunner / writer is using elements from season 1 such as the spirals, Tuttle and Rust Cole’s father?
This is exactly what makes the continued quality of the Fargo anthology series all the more impressive.
The new season of it isn't very good like the first season was
@@byrongrimsley500 Just finished the new season. It's the best season yet.
Season 1 is still my favourite.
Well after 2 episodes of Night Country and the traces of DNA from the season 1in it... I'd say its returning to form real nicely
Disagree. I'm considering pulling the plug after 2 episodes. It is better than S2, I suppose, but that ain't saying much. 4 words: Rust Cohle's father's ghost. UGH!
It's a good season so far, but not at the level of S3 or S1. I think some of the acting and writing choices are... interesting. And the "horror/supernatural" elements feel a bit tacked on and cheesy. The atmosphere is beautifully shot though and does a lot of the heavy lifting this season. If it didn't take place in Alaska during an endless night sky, I'd be more critical, but it really does pull you in.
I loved the season 3 story and production more than S1. It's great TV. Season 1 was well done and groundbreaking, but also pretty self-indulgent and has a lot of chewing the scenery where I rolled my eyes. I DO agree that the chemistry on the S1s team (director, writer, cast, and music) was memorable. I am excited about S4 so far because the chemistry is great there too.
Season 3 was amazing it has great acting worldclass performance from main actors and intelligent script. I never understood why season 3 reviews are mixed it just seems like a bunch of tik tok brained zoomers with zero attention span hating since it doesn't have mindless action scenes every two minutes. I slightly prefer season 1,but 1 and 3 are both extremely well written and has great writing.
@@secularhumanistforever Yea think many people just didn't like the slower pace of the season. It is the slowest of all 4 seasons for sure (halfway through S4 rn but clearly this one moves quicker.) Honestly, I think S3 has some of the best writing in the show and it's even more about the characters than the case, even compared to S1. Fantastic television. I wish more people liked slow burns and just listening to two people have a deep personal conversation, instead of expecting action every couple of scenes.
the showrunners didnt necessarily do anything wrong
season 1 was quite simply perfect. lightning in a bottle. the greatest season of a show, ever.
season 2 was always going to disappoint, purely from the lack of Rustin Cohle
Second season is perfectly serviceable, the script that Vaughan was given was shocking, especially the horrendous monologue while in bed. One if the best most tense shootouts ever has lots of other good moments it's just not the first one
Season one was like something I’d never seen before. Like the opening shot of GOT or Road Warrior. LOST too. Makes you want to watch it over again. Hoping 4 has some juice.
This is greatness; season four is junk writing. Even Jody Foster looks washed up.
It breaks my heart that people don't talk about Fargo when talking about Crime Anthology Series. It's not as good as Season 1 of True Detective (Almost, though), but it definitely is way more consistent in its quality
I started binging it a few weeks ago, and now being caught up as of this week's episode, I can confidently say Fargo is a show that only gets better with each season. Season 5 has been an absolute masterpiece in storytelling, presentation, writing and pacing, which tended to become very slow at times in earlier seasons
This newest season is incredible. I've enjoyed all the seasons of Fargo. But the season currently on and the season with Jesse Plemons and Kiersten Dunst are brilliant.
I put season 1 of Fargo and season 1 of True Detective on the same level, both masterpieces and the following seasons have failed to reach the heights, I agree that Fargo has been more consistent.
Series 4 was terrible
S1 was legendary. I skipped S2 and went straight to S3, and it was so bad in comparison
S3 is vastly superior
@@893Zeke vastly superior to S2?
As much hate as Season 2 gets, Colin and Vince were great and had underrated quotables.
TD 1 was a rare example of “catching the zeitgeist” that could not be captured again by definition.
People wanted a sequel that could never be delivered.
season 2 is my favorite season
BASED and cultured season 2 enjoyer,season 2 was awesome,well written and had interesting characters.
Vince Vaugh was actually excellent in Season 2. He was one of the best parts of the second season
It was garbage. I like Vince but my 10 year old nice could write a better script.
@@Bryan-fb8dh You should get her to write your comments.
Fuckin A. Show me the last time he was that good. Rachel McAdams is great too. I honestly think everyone is doing a good job in Season 2.
You should watch Brawl in Cell Block 99 and Dragged Across Concrete. He's really great in them too
Vince Vaughn is surprising. Usually he’s known for comedy films, but when he’s in serious roles, he does amazing.
Great video. So true! The first season is INCREDIBLE TV. An impossible season of TV to follow.
Just a simple case of the first season being TOO good.
Season 4 is utter trash.
How dare you give season 4 that much credit
Season 1 was obviously a masterpiece but season 3 was quite good too from what I remember. I haven’t seen since it first aired but I remember liking it. It felt more similar to season 1. I never got to watch s2 though so I can’t comment on that one but I’ll give it a try one day
Season 3 is severely underrated. I really didn't get what it was about on the first watch.
Does anyone know what the music starting at 7:57 is? It has echoes of Jackson‐Kent Blues by Steve Miller and You Know You're Only Dreaming by Hawkwind.
I loved the *Handsome Family* song, but with its it's desert references it was curiously incongruous with the swampy setting of season 1.
Fun fact, the script was originally intended to have McConaughey play the part of Woody Harrelson's character, but after reading the script, McConaughey insisted on playing the character he played. Thank goodness.
I really liked the 3rd ! It was just different
Season 1 is one of the greatest television shows ever created. That something so dark and bleak can be so rewatchable is remarkable. I watch it from time to time and delving into that twisted and haunted world of rural Louisiana with those two true detectives still feels special.
Season 2 tried really hard to recreate that magic but the spell broke for me. All I could see was lesser actors running around "acting" their hearts out while trying to tell a confusing story. If anything it made me appreciate even more how special the first season was, how so many things had had to come together to create that "lightning in a bottle" and that it might very well never happen again.
Season 3 was decent. Mahershala Ali is a really good actor and felt right for the series. But whatever qualities it had - I have just never felt the urge to rewatch it.
Season 4 is where the series implodes. I watched the first episode in disbelief and not being into hate-watching, that was it for me. It’s made by people who’s clearly not very good at their jobs and - as is usual today - more concerned about pushing their world view and agenda rather than crafting a good story. And the attempts to try and tie the story to season 1 is just pathetic. As is the director Issa López’ response to poor reviews.
Reviewer Eric Kain remarked that TD season 4 is to TD season 1 what Rings of Power is to Lord of the Rings. That sums it up nicely. It’s just hard to imagine this series ever being brought back on track again - this was most likely the end of the series and that’s probably the right and merciful decision.
Thankfully I got Marty and Rust available on a hard drive. It’s about time to hunt down that Yellow King again. Time is a flat circle, as you know.
I LOVE how the series changes casts and area every season, but I have to agree wheatear you LOVE and/or hate the series season one WAS THE BEST season thus far.
Season 2--while a bit florid--was a stunning work of modern art. Many are incapable of appreciating its majesty. I recommend a revisitation for those who dismissed it along with the masses upon the initial release.
I guess if you love teal and orange and endless overhead tracking shots of I-5…
I have personally liked each season. Not as much as season one. But I enjoy them all.
I am beyond hype for this new season. The people I respect who have seen it and hold in high regard say it rivals that of season one. I believe McCaughey is producing this new season as well. And its Jody Foster. Shes incredible. Point is, I hope this new season is as great as some are saying. Obviously I'll judge it for myself when I see it.
Edit: Fargo has nothing to do with the video outside of anthology. This current season has been incredible. Hype for this seaon finale.
What? You respect certain reviewers?
It rivals my ass, season 4 is another major disappointment.
This was a good video. Gave me a new show to watch and informed me of only watching season 1.
Season Two was underappreciated, it had some very good elements. The big problem was too many characters and subplots. If they had just stuck with Vince Vaughan and Colin Farrell it would have been much better.
Season 1 was fantastic. Season 2 was a major letdown, dark without any intrigue. Season 3 was a decent return to form. Season 4 so far has been disappointing. Without the original creative direction, HBO hopes they can bait people with a big name like Jodie Foster. The problem is tv and movies these days are trying to incorporate social politics so much so that it often feels forced and distracts from the storytelling.
Season 1: 10/10 Masterpiece
Season 2: 6/10. Not as bad as some people said.
Season 3: 8/10. really enjoyed it.
It’s a shame the quality dropped but I’m happy they decided not to stick with Rust and Marty, I think less is more with that story. They would’ve had to add in new characters to create more conflict or have the characters evolve and honestly the way season 1 ends off is perfect. If you want a show that has similar elements I would recommend Fargo. The first season is based off the original movie but then each subsequent season follows a different cast, I’ve seen 3 and all of them have elements that are great and interesting.
They actually link the most recent season back to season 1 and so far it is looking to be just as good and possibly provides backstory for Rust and his family. There is also plenty of shots of the circular spiral cult symbol in the new season.
Season 1 is the kid who peaked in high school. Impossible to top
Season 4 seemded kinda corny after 2 episodes.
It's probably gonna be one of the forgettable seasons also.
@@nornor-hg9rm Agree.
The loser adult who’s peak was 14/18? How the fuck is that a good thing?
I was really worried about Vince Vaughn's inclusion, but he ended up being the character I liked the most in the entire season 2 and he gave a great performance. His last scenes walking in the desert were fantastic.
I think one of the biggest flaws in Season 2 was that they would sometimes name-drop really minor characters that had only been shown for a few seconds episodes (i.e. weeks) earlier as ultimately being key players, and you as an audience member had no idea who they were talking about because you had no reason to remember them. It made it really difficult to follow.
Season 3 was amazing and I loved just as much, if not more, than Season 1.
Vaughn's acting itself wasn't bad, he just felt really miscast.
And season 3 was decent, though for pacing should've been trimmed down by a couple episodes' worth of material (especially the final episode that goes on and on and on and on for an unnecessary half hour that doesn't know where to end already).
My favorite of his appearances. He's the man in Season 2
That last scene where he's dead, and all the ghosts of the people he killed or tormented are standing either side of him to chastise him. You think that's a great scene ? Wow. I was laughing at how bad it was. It's lazy and old trope from horror movies but it's actually done so terribly that it's worse. It was laughable. It was silly. It lacked any sense of seriousness. It was like something Carl Reiner would write.
@@Ptrm594 I can have honest discussions about filmmaking, but you need to check your smugness at the door first.
@@Olderaccount17 Well I apologise if I seemed smug but I honestly do think the writing was ridiculous. Think about it. "Blue balls for the heart". Pizzolato wrote that line. The plot is so convoluted you need a damned chart to track it. Why not just make it a story set in the era of the LA riots ? That would have been a very cool setting. Tell the story of the corrupt detectives and the gangs of the city at that time. There are millions of stories that could be told within that era alone. But to spin it into this bizarre, byzantine story about infrastructure and mob bosses (and what mob is Vince Vaughns character supposed to be in anyway ? The Russian mob ? They only exist in NYC, and specifically Brighton Beach. Which is another place he could have set the story.)
There's a fairly good video, although lengthy, about the failings of S2 and it covers most of the ground in detail, I can't remember the name but if you search using the over 20 mins filter and something like "why true detective season 2 failed" you'll find it. One of the comments there is from an HBO executive who helped approvr the season. He actually said they were concerned about the story being so bad, but wanted to get it out to cash in on the momentum of season 1. He also said Pizzolati refused help from other writers with the exception of one guy who helped him write his book Galveston, and even then those two ended up clashing. He said Pizzolatos success had gone to his head and he became difficult to work with, raging and excoriating everyone from the actors to the interns. He said the show was a nightmare to work on, and he left HBO in large part because of that season. If I find the video again I'll link it. It's not just all criticism, the uploader highlights the parts of the season he thought were good too.
I reccomend it, even if you liked Season 2, because it's an enlightening video and well made, and I haven't found another video that dives anywhere near as deep, in respect of season 2.
the e4 single shot is still the most incredible thing ive ever seen. but that show is filled with plenty of best moments ive ever seen/heard/experienced
Season 2 is a criminally underrated masterpiece.
Season 2 criminally underrated. Not sure why the hate
I loved the 3rd season and I suspect 4th will not disappoint either
The 3rd season sucked dick, and I LOVE Mahershala Ali
Season 3 was trying way too hard to be more than it was. It was nothing special.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 It did not, but cool.
In my opinion, season 3 was red herring after red herring with a horrible payoff.
@@alexcoyg3281 it absolutely did and the vast majority of fans agree with me on that sentiment.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 Nah, man, you are just don't get it maaaaaaaan
The scene of them in the Houston hoof actually made my heart race
Who’s here after watching season 4? Man was that terrible
3 was pretty good, anxious on 4 because no original team
Season 3 is amazing
In the first season you have the character Cohle who was a handsome, bad ass fighter and investigator. He's like a twisted version of James Bond. Audience gravitated towards him, he was exciting to watch. The other seasons the detectives are just normal by comparison. The closest was Velcoro in S2 but he very ordinary in comparison to Cohle.
Season 3 is underrated
Imo True Detective S1 should've been a Mini Series.
What I would add to your analysis:
In True detective we have some elements that make the series recognized for what it is:
incredible and out-of-the-box performances;
a murder shrouded in mystery, mysticism, supernatural elements;
exuberant scenes;
Monologues or deep and dense conversations;
Criminal investigation;
2 timelines;
A hero's journey = murder, investigation, killer caught.
Now if we analyze what the second season was, in addition to not having some of these elements, it belittles it, not to mention the murder that was swept under the rug.
The third tried to use all these elements, but the story is very weak, dull, extremely lost and confusing.
So the big problem here is the story, you can bring all these elements, have Scorcese direct and Di Caprio act, without a strong, precise, linear story, with a beginning, middle and end, we will continue to have these atrocities, I think it's even That's why they removed Nic from the script, either he realized it was a stroke of luck or HBO got fed up with his stories.
I liked the 1st episode of the 4th season, now let's see what will be, because the 1st episode of the 2nd and 3rd seasons were also good, as for the rest.....
I absolutely adored both season's 1 and 3. I couldn't make it past the second episode of season 2.
There is a frequently commited, fatal error to MANY TV shows that just doesn't get mentioned nearly enough when citing what's wrong with the modern, long form TV: they absolutely destroy momentum that the show creates by allowing WAY too long to go between "seasons." True Detective might well be the perfect example of this error.
You simply cannot allow 2-4 years go to by without releasing a new "season." With the sheer volume of things to watch being released on streaming platforms, it's so, so easy to completely forget about a show.
Frankly, HBO is probably the worst offender in doing this. They did it with the Sopranos, Westworld, Carnivale, Rome, etc.
Season One: Arguably the best limited series I've ever seen. Matthew and Woody are the perfect duo. Complex! Thrilling! Unbelievable!
Season Two: Tried way too hard despite the good cast and some tense moments. Vince Vaughn as a mob boss should never be a thing that ever happens. Colin Farrell and Rachel McAdams were great!
Season Three: This season started off great but after the first three episodes, the plot was too disjointed and the jumping back and forth between time periods made the story difficult to feel invested in.
Season Four? You had me at JODIE FOSTER PLAYING A DETECTIVE! We'll see! 🤞
as a person who never saw a single movie with Vince Vaughn before, i though he did well in S2
Season 1 was a masterpiece but I throughly enjoyed season 2 and 3. Season 3 more. “What kind of Frankenstein monsters are out there copulating to create all these hunks of shit people in the world?” Absolutely iconic!
The acting in Season 1 was phenomenal. Hard to top those performances in addition to a stronger script/writing!
The first episode of Season 4 feels like a return to form. It has a great setting (another isolated blue collar community) an intriguing mystery (the opening scenes in the science lab were terrific) and a tinge of gothic horror weirdness. Time will tell if our two leads are going to match season one, but fingers crossed, this is off to a good start.
Season 3 of True Detective was much better and being proven to be a superior season over the last one. While the most recent fourth season is 94% on RT being way better than the first season according to the critics.
It's far too easy for TV shows to get a high RT rating
@@Ray03595 Not really you have a couple of TV series that had a crappy review that truly wasn't too good. These critics rating TV shows like how they're movies nowadays.
True Detective was an amazing trilogy with great writing, well developed characters, excellent direction, and compelling, intelligent storytelling. Unlike the unmitigated disaster by the same name that aired in 2024 which is already irrelevant.
Hey I loved true detective 2...but mainly because of actors involved and they did great
Season 3 was just as good as season 1, y’all are out of your minds
Season 3 is phenomenal and has great writing,acting and characters. People with zero attention span that hate that season 3 doesn't have mindless action scenes every two minutes and whose brain attention span was destroyed by social media and tik tok dislike it and anybody with taste who knows what good cinema and writing is like you and me love that season.
How did anyone have an issue with season 3? I thought it was a great successor to S1, sure it was a little slow but I thought it was a return to form and Mahershala was an incredible lead.