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2022 Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 Review | The Forgotten ADV?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- The Tenere 700 or T7 is well known, but what about it's bigger brother, the Super Tenere 1200? Offering everything a big adventure bike should, with good sporty capabilities, plus two-up comfort and performance, the Super Tenere is very much the do everything machine, so here's my review.
Features on the Super Tenere include electronic suspension, a 270 degree parallel-twin engine, four-pot brakes, adjustable screen, side mounted radiators, rear rack and pannier mounting points, ride modes and traction control, covering all the big features, if lacking some of the newer electronic systems.
Value is also a strong point of contention, with many of the ADVs getting increasingly expensive, with spoked but tubeless wheels a nice feature to sweeten that deal.
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I was really surprised to find a fresh review of the Yamaha XT1200ZE on RUclips in 2022. I've been driving this machine for 4 years and now 32,000 km. I have never regretted my decision not to buy a BMW GS 1200 back then. Long distances are her companions and she also showed her qualities during enduro training. I was about to sell the XT1200ZE to upgrade to the lighter T700, but I didn't end up doing it. In this country we don't have many opportunities to drive off the official roads, so the additional weight of the Super Ténéré doesn't play a decisive role. On the contrary, especially at higher speeds on the motorway or federal highways, this is actually an advantage. With a case system and luggage roll, it mutates into the perfect travel machine. At least for me. I have already visited the North Cape and the Mediterranean Sea in northern Italy with her. After all these years I am still very satisfied and have never regretted the purchase. Thumbs up! Best regards from Germany
Sounds like the perfect bike for you! The T7 is definitely not as comfortable for long distance touring out of the box unfortunately, but a great bike for the more hardcore off-roading.
You sound like you are as satisfied as I am with the bike. Here in Australia we have plenty of opportunity to get off road, but on formed dirt roads the bike is still good, but a hand full if the going gets soft (and you forget to switch off the TC !). I am fortunate to have the T7 as well for more challenging terrain, it's 60kg lighter ! I run MOTOZ Adventure GPS tyres on mine and whilst they are heavy and hard I know I could easily circumnavigate this country and come home on the same tyres.
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Just took my Tenere 700 with us , in the back of my truck , to the Sierras in Lake Tahoe California . First real dirt in over a year since buying it in July 2020 . Have the Motoz Tractionator ADV tires on it and they are very confidence inspiring . Some down hill sharp dirt gravel washout corners got me concerned for when I had to turn around and go back . No worries at all , the bike tracked perfectly and now I am sure I can do more with it and go see more of God's beautiful countryside !
I want to ride a super tenere 12 I like it my friend you've been a great help ride safe
@@johnstaring3210 Hi mate, I'm in straya too. Do you prefer your T7 or the XT1200 on the longer stints of corrugated red dirt?
Bought my S10 in 2010 in South Africa. Little to no issues and travelled extensively 2-up with luggage on dirt and tar. 196 000 km now and running strong. Best bike ever.
That's some impressive mileage!
I bought my 2015 Super Tenere ES used one year ago this month. I've ridden it over 16,000 miles around Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Montana and fallen completely in love. Can't think of a better bike for me. I maintain it myself, ride 2up, ride gravel, freeway and mostly backroads over mountains. Love shaft drive and cruise control. I'm 6'4" tall 245 pounds and have literally no complaints after a couple minor mods. If it were stolen I would immediately find another.
That's some good mileage, so many bikes are lucky to do that over multiple years!
@@MotoJournoKris I am retired and cheerfully obsessed. 🙂👍🏻
@@got_to_roll Sounds awesome! Need something to keep you busy after all.
Same!
Just rode my 2014 from San Diego to Cabo San Lucas and back. Turned over 50K miles in route. Never missed a beat. Very dependable and capable adventure bike.
My Super Tenere is a 2011 model with more than 60 000km on the clock. It has never missed a beat. Great adventure bikes. I will not swap it for any other adventure bike. Great engines and built to last.
Yamaha's reliability is a nice bonus too, too once you add it into the equation.
I got mine in 2013, secondhand with 5k km on the clock. It was originally the dealers demo bike so it came with lots of extras, luggage, main stand ect. It now has 67k, mostly touring, about 50/50 solo and with pillion. Just the usuall tyres, brake pads, oil, filters and one change of plugs. Plus a few mods.🙂
@@BigYouDog just curious if you have had a valve adjustment or had them checked. Ive got a 2015 with 28K on it, and Im trying to decide if its worth the money to have them checked, or just keep rolling for a while longer. Thanks!
@@chuckadamson3903 I had them checked at 30k miles by my local mechanic and they were still in spec. He also said the cam chain was still good.
I'm a V-strom rider, but if I was buying a bike tomorrow, I think it would be the S-Ten.
Which V-Strom have you got? Not tempted by the new 800?
@@MotoJournoKris I have a 2016 1000. I would be tempted by the 800 if it had tubuless rims, though I'd likely pick the 1050DE in that case.
@@lcdubs7847 Tubeless rims really adds to the convenience factor that's for sure.
I'm in the US and I am 67. This is the best motorcycle I have ever owned, though I dearly loved the 1981 Suzuki GS850G where I came to love drive shaft bikes. I own a 2012 basic model. This 10 is a great handling bike, and I love the low end grunt. Even in 6th gear, it will pull away from a slow down in traffic. I've had some issues with the bike which have been upgraded. The ignition switch gave me a code 19 and took awhile to trace it down. One of the foot pegs broke off during a tour, so the passenger peg was a good stand in. I replaced them with a wider, steel pivot peg. I hated the bars and replaced them with Pro-taper Adventure high bars which allows me to easily stand on the bike. I grew up in the dirt, but this bike is a heavy for technical trails, but handles the two track roads well. I will be updating the suspension soon, rear shock first. Then the saddle and panniers. The stock boxes are heavy and can pop off the floating tab when the bike drops. I will be moving to soft luggage. The one thing I truly hate about it are the turn signals. The plastic used just rots. I have replaced them with smaller led's but they are invisible in the day light. I will replace them soon, possibly upgrade to the newer Ten sets. The headlights which many complain about are just fine for me. I live in the country where it gets really dark. LED headlights have a sharp line delineating between light and dark, whereas the quartz halogens have ambient light and are plenty bright for my old eyes. Truly, I am blinded by oncoming LED headlights, especially by those using high beam because of the low beam ineffectiveness of most cars. One thing you mentioned is that the bike tends to creep up in speed. There seems to be little engine sound difference between 70 mph to 80. However, I find this bike cruises naturally, and comfortably at 85 mph. Accelerating to pass will get me 100 mph in a heart beat. It's something I have to watch. Overall, I don't see myself buying another adventure bike. This one truly suits my needs. But when I turn 70, I may drop over to a Gold Wing or a bike that is closer to the ground. Great review; well presented.
Sounds like you've done some great mods to really make it your own. I get what you mean about the LED headlights too, especially the blinding thing, it's really frustrating and I think a modern issue is people angle them way too high, which is an adjustment issue, that probably shouldn't be possible - although people just using high beams all the time is another issue! Soft luggage, bars to suit and different pegs are great on ADVs too. Have fun out there.
What's nice is the minimal maintenance, reliability and the peace of mind knowing its still going to be going strong 20 years down the track
Yep, I know some riders like to upgrade their bikes every few years, but if you keep them long term I think that's a real winning point.
6 years on a Super Tenere. Absolutely no problems. Maintenance is minimal - change oil, change shaft lube - that's it. Tires last about 10,000 miles. Battery replaced after 20,000 miles. Great long haul rider. Yes, heavy bike, but I am 5-6, 160 pounds, over 60 y.o. and its very manageable. But, get the engine guards. Ordered OE lower seat and can nearly flat foot both sides at same time. Gas mileage fully loaded averages 50 mpg with boxes, luggage, and 10+ highway speeds. Many new 2021 for sale at decent prices.
The instrement mileage is atleast 10% too high on my bike. Try a manual calculation and see. Only way to get 50+ mpg is with no luggage, no passenger, riding below 60 mph, no wind, level smooth tar roads. Otherwise in 40s.
As a GS rider through and through I think this is my next bike. I don’t like the direction bmw is going with tft display, adaptive headlight, adaptive cruise control with radar. I want some tech but not too much. My 2018 was the last of the simpler gs bikes. I have always loved Yamaha motorcycles.
I know what you mean, the newest generation bikes from many manufacturers are getting that way, which does seem to add more things to go wrong. It's funny too, so many people complain when new bikes aren't jam packed with every electronic aid imaginable but I do think there's plenty of riders who'd rather a reliable bike, with just the basics (like the Super T).
Kris, great review. Full discloser, I have been riding a Super T since last August and love it. I did 140 miles today and had a blast.
This bike can do anything.
That's what blew me away, it's just such a good all-rounder, and heaps of fun as well.
Hits the mark for those who want low maintenance low tech shaft driven road oriented long distance heavily loaded intercontinental touring. Unfashionable and great VFM. If you don't mind one with a just few miles on it or even with quite a few thousand miles on it, there are many truly outrageous bargains out there which means you'll have literally thousands left over for extra gear and for travel costs.
This is Probably the best review of the ST1200 Out there! I’ve had my 2021 T-1200 for almost a year and almost 7,000 miles on it. Not one issue I’m about to put the first set of new tires on (Michelin road 5 ) mainly using it for a commuter bike theses days.
Best adventure bike I ever owned 2017 super Tenere.
Very in detail review. Thumb up. I always liked this Tenere. :) Keep up man. You got my support.
Thanks!
I've had my 2019 Super Tenere ES since 2020 . My wife & I ride it two-up everywhere and usually get in at least one 2,000+ mile trip each year . We previously had a 2006 Yamaha FJR-1300, but we both really prefer the Super Tenere ES, mainly due to the lower weight and the electronic suspension .
We also enjoy the option of exploring dirt roads . Super dependable & FUN ! 👍🏍️👍🏍️👍 Great video ! Thank you from Boise, Idaho, USA, Earth 🌍 !
As nice as the FJR is, I'd definitely rather be on the Super T for a bit of exploring dirt roads!
Best bike I ever own, by far. I’m in love with my STénéré 2019. I ride on every road conditions
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Would agree. Ready for every road. :) Can check my content bro.
Your fav tire?
@@pappaclutch3266 Michelin Aneke Adventure! Great on gravel roads but stay away from muddy waters… the rear tire is especially convincing!
Thanks MJK. Great job. Good info. God bless. Happy trails.
I have the raid edition 2019. Best bike ever ! Many Road trips and all went well. Comfort is class! I love my bike ✌🏾
Thank you for the Super Tenere review...i'm in the market for a big adventure bike for a long distance road trip & value your insights point of view!
Hope it was of some use, there's a lot of great options available right now!
Good review. I test-drove all major adventure bikes, including the GS, Ducati Multistrada, Moto Guzzi V 85 TT and Honda Africa Twin. To me personally, the Super Tenere came out as the clear winner. Forget about torque, horse power, acceleration and maximum speed. My Super Tenere has more of all of these than I could possibly desire.
How about motor characteristics, handling, comfort, style and, most of all, reliability and durability?
This is going to be my third season on my ST 2017 and I will not replace it by any other bike ....
That's the thing, it's easy to get sucked into the battle of the spec sheets and features, but really it's about what you're going to love riding, especially long term if it's a keeper.
yes 👍
And you don't devalue it if you do your own maintenance which is likely because it's not in the shop for a myriad of other costly problems. I love mine!
I totally agree....
I'm just finishing my second season with my 2019 Super T that I got In 2020 and I've got 50,000km on it.
Best bike I've ever owned
What was your impression of the Africa Twin when you tested it? Thanks for sharing.
Great review...! I have a 2015 T12 and still love it....
I had a 2016 model. I loved it but where I live, getting out of and back into the city, was absolutely heart-stoppingly scarey for my wife, who always rides on the back. So we sold it and will get something else once we move out to the country. Might buy another Super Tenere. It was a fast, rugged, reliable and comfy machine. Standard suspension was a bit soft but fixable.
I’m on my third S10. First was a Z , then a ZE, that I sold to buy a 15’ GSA1200. Never stop missing my faithful S10 so, after almost 3 years apart, I searched and bought a low km 2019 Z in the 60th anniversary paint scheme and jumped of joy. For me it is the ideal travel companion. I’ve travel through Marrocos, Southern and Northern Europe in my early two S10 and anxiously awaiting the opportunity to travel in my bright yellow and black S10. Had dozens of bikes (GS, FJR, MT, GSX, VStrom, Ducati, Guzzi (that I also love) and many others) and I can surely say that this is the best bike I ever owned. Stay safe everyone and with the rubber side down!
That anniversary paint scheme looks so good, sounds like an awesome find!
I've been a Yamaha fan for over 50 years now. My 2nd bike was a little 60cc Enduro, I've owned a 900 seca, both an XS100 & FJ1100, Currently a Roadstar Warrior... Long live Yamaha!
Very nice, that's a cool variety of machines to have owned!
I got my ST1200 May 3, 2021. I have 15,500 kms on it I love the bike. It is comfortable and reliable, I wish it had some more update electronics, link to my phone but overall the bike is very good. Yamaha builds a very good product. I have 50-50 tires on it so that I can take in on the backroads, nothing really crazy, it handles the gravel very well. Adventure bikes are so flexible in their application, they can go across country or down a back road. I like the shaft drive and cruise is nice.
Watching here from Philippines bro nice review
Thanks!
Thanks Kris great review just like the Tiger 1050 sport. I own a few bikes but really think that this ticks all the boxes for an Australian Trip covering all conditions good job maybe 👍
I bought one in 2016 because of the value and its a yamaha. Since ive owned it i have done some modifications,suspension,crash bars,ecu,exhaust and it is an exceptional bike! I have taken it places it probably shouldnt have gone yet it handles all of it. Even with all my accesories it s still cheaoer than its competitors.
Love mine. Very comfortable long distance bike and good and simple. Fast enough for me!
Great job on the review you pretty much covered it all and I have a 2018 it's not an ES I have no plans on getting rid of it I'm 62 and this will probably be my last bike I have no reason to replace it it takes me wherever I want to go whenever I want to go and in all weather conditions by far my favorite motorcycle and I rode Harley's all my life up until the point that I got this not knocking the Harleys I really like Harley-Davidson but this right here is reliable and I ride by myself now so I need reliable. 🍻
It's great when you find a bike that's a real keeper!
Great review mate. Well done 👍
Thanks, hope it was worth the watch!
I bought a grey and black 2014 S10. I’ve owned a a V-Strom 1000, kawi Versys 1000, KTM 1190 and a BMW S1000XR and loved them all, but this is perfect bike except for serious off-road. The weight is beyond my comfort and ability for serious off-road. That’s why I added the T-7 to the garage. The S10 is brilliant for most everything and is about to take me from Vancouver to the Yukon and Alaska for a month. Riding in Sport mode reminds me of the power my KTM 1190 had, very close but not quite. Still plenty fast though
That's a great stable of past bikes to compare it to, and a glowing endorsement. That's why I liked the WR250R, super light for the harder stuff, although I think the T7 offers a better road/off-road setup overall.
I can’t wait to get one of this machines
They are seriously underrated.
Nice review, solid bike for sure .🏍👍☕
Gday kris saw you were on peats ridge road I think did u do somersby-Calga if so how was it in the twisties ? I ride Yamahas road version I guess the fjr which has the same handle bar controls which includes everything I need including cruise . These big Yamahas are just so reliable nothing ever goes wrong . I sat on one up at Jerry’s one day and after the fjr it felt like a grom weight wise , great comprehensive review as usual thanks
I have a 2014 XT1200ES. it is a fantastic bike with almost no issues. it may not be as fancy as a BMW, Triumph or KTM however, it also doesn’t have the reliability issues. This is the best bang for the buck.
Yep, all the new tech is nice, but simplicity means less things to go wrong!
2016 with no problems, true not as many bells and whistles but less is more.
like an updated, upgraded, overbored, muscle version of the tdm900. i likey.👍
I purchased my 2012 S Tennere a little more than a year ago. This bike lives up to it's reputation. Great on the mountain twistys. Totally amazing on single track( I didn't even know what that was till I got this ride) it handled everything I threw at it. Yeah the tires wore out in this seasons riding but I count the smiles per mile. I had bikes all my adult life(Yamahas) this isn't really fast my Maxim 750 would have smoked the Tennere. But never give as much fun in the doing it.
That's what it's all about! Don't need the 'best' bike in the category if you've got one that puts a smile on your dial and does everything you need and want.
I don't believe you about your maxim smoking the S10. I can believe it felt faster at the time with 80s frames and suspensions, but the the official and test numbers on it include a slower top speed, and somewhat slower 0-60 and quarter mile, and that's for the fastest version of the maxim 750 that got made. I know from stock the 2012 was a bit slower than my 2014, but surely not by that much.
Also, I ride twisties with sport bike friends and others on much faster (on paper), newer big adv bikes, and a handful of them have significantly more riding experience than me. The S10 has no trouble keeping up with anyone I ride with until we're on really long straights or empty interstates doing top speed pulls. Even there, they only pull away after 100 indicated (except for liter super sports, they're getting significant leads after 60-70). And I've still had it more than once at 135 indicated/130 gps on level roads here near sea level...faster at higher elevations but takes longer to get there. That's a pretty much stock 2014 with almost 70k miles, no aftermarket exhaust or ecu flash.
Have a 2016 with 12000 miles. LOVE IT! And this is despite the engine sound (must be a rod slapping 😆), snatchy throttle and I don’t call him Fat Jack for nothin. It just plain runs. More power than you need, excellent fuel economy and zero problems. No regrets.
It’s funny you mention the motor sound to me I also have a superTenere 2017 With 5500 miles on it. I put 1500 miles on it last week riding it from Michigan to Tennessee and back and I have to say the motor sound scared me a little at first but once you get used to that and realize it’s gonna keep on going I rode that bike for 90+ miles per hour For 3 to 4 hours at a time that Bike just kept on going with plenty more power left for passing I wouldn’t say it’s not the fastest bike on the road I come from a crotch rocket background but funny you mention that motor sound to me it’s like an SUV of motorcycles. Kinda like a diesel.
Good review of an excellent bike. I would love to own one. It has just enough rider aids and power to satisfy my needs. I do not enjoy the over-the-top electronic gadgets, TFT instruments and massive power of the latest adventure bikes. It only adds unnecessary cost to the bikes. I prefer just riding a reliable bike with enough power and looking at the scenery.
Hannes, well said. Exactly why I ride this bike the most out of the 3 other road bikes I have in the garage. I've taken it through all types of riding including interstate, back road twisties, and dirt forest roads in the Rocky Mountains. It does them all well. If needed I know I could take it on 2 track riding and some easier single track but I have a KLR 650 for that or my road legal XR400R Honda. I've owned about 50 bikes in my lifetime so far and this one is my favorite overall. Yes I like the GoldWing for all day long travel trips and back roads, but the STenere goes out the most often. The slight lack of the latest techno gizmo's is fine, I'm competent enough to pilot the bike as needed without all the nanny's on the new bikes. Just more expensive stuff to go wrong. This one is a keeper, and I might add it's little brother the T700 in a couple years replacing the KLR. Same rationale as the STenere with better dual and single track capability.
@@keithallen3119 Thanks for sharing your experience. I envy you having a couple of bikes to enjoy different riding styles. I'm definitely going to work towards getting a Super Tenere in the garage, especially now that they are not producing them anymore. There are some low mileage bikes coming available in the second hand market. Be safe on your travels.
Another great review Kris. I have an R1250GS and thought that the Super Tenere was a bit dated (though I have never ridden one). However after watching your review I can see that it does have some good points and would certainly be worth a look.
I think that's a fair assessment honestly, if you're willing to live with that I think it's still worth considering, but you can tell it's due for an update in comparison to many of the other options!
It is also $5-$10k cheaper than GS. In 2018, I put brand new ES on the road for exactly $16k US. At the time there was no way to put similar GS on the road for less than $25k.
@@oknevals Exactly, the big ADV prices have been creeping up too, especially with the updated models.
Coming from a GSA1200 15´ i can say that they are very different bikes. It´s a sensation more then anything but the GSA (even though very large) has the CG lower to the ground and you can feel it. It´s not ia high CG, but has everyone knows, the boxxer is unbeatable in that aspect. In reality i prefer the simplicity of the s10´s twin. Also, the non diving forks (the telelever front suspension) is very different, namely in the way you enter each corner. In my personal preference i like the way the S10 shifts its weight and dives the front to control in trail braking, and i got a hard time adjusting to the GS´s suspension. Eventually i got used to it but I'm glad I'm back in the S10 realm. The GSA is a tiny more comfortable but the S10 feels like a war tank compared to the GSA. The s10 is a very well design and engineered motorcycle, having all the electronics in a single place accessible in 1 min, and the radiator side mounted so you don't worry about ruptures from rocks etc (only annoyance is the fan that is constantly turning on). For me, the S10 is a reliable companion that i can trust and can carry me and my wife with luggage, comfortably everywhere (in the road, not in serious off-road - the the GSA is also not made for).
I have a 2013 Super Tenere which I have put close to 60,000km on, I bought it new in 2014 for a fantastic discount. I agree on the engine, lots of low end grunt pulling very well right off the idle which I love. It is a little weak on the top end. When I first started riding it I found myself running into the rev limiter often, you get used to that. The only time I really notice the lack of top end power is riding 130kph into a strong head wind where you have to drop a gear if you want to aggressively pass on the highway. I have done many 700 km days on it in total comfort It is not the sexiest ADV bike out there however I guarantee you that it is the most reliable. I love the bike and plan on riding it to the grave.
I noticed that a little too after having the Tracer 9 GT, that thing is a rocketship for overtakes, but yea just knock it down a gear on the Super Tenere and it'll do it just fine too! The Tenere is definitely more thrilling in the lower rev range, the Tracer 9 you really need to rev.
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@MotoJournoKris comparing the Tracer with the S10 do you have an opinion qhuch one you think you would end up commuting on more than the other? I am torn between these 2 bikes. I am 6'02 240.
cool bike - more please
It helps to think of the Super Tenere as a TDM 1200 rather than an off-road machine.
As a sport tourer it is fantastic. In soft sand, not so much.
i ave ownd 49 motorsycels and overall this bike i love the most
Great review Kris. You cover every possible aspect of the bike. Any chance you can review Triumph Street Triple RS?
I'd love to, I'll see if I can line one up. It's been ages since I've tested a Street Triple.
It's a great, solid ADV bike which is underrated and seemingly forgotten among the latest new offerings.
It's hard for the older models to keep up with the hype!
It's interesting that a lot of the big name bike reviewers kind of talk smack of the super tenere. But everyone who actually owns one seems to really love it
Yea, some bikes become the punching bags metaphorically for newer models with more inclusions, and of course that helps push people to upgrade to the latest and greatest. The same is true of some of the more value based offerings too. Really the trick is finding the right bike for you as a rider. I think that's reflected in many of the owner's comments, it's just a different kind of rider perhaps.
Some people find a really solid machine that does everything and stick with it, others need the new best bike every couple of years.
Trying to decide between a S10, Guzzi V85 , GS 1250, or a Aprilia Tuareg 660
The Yamaha reliability is a huge selling point. Plus it’s no frills tech
Tuff decision, but right now the Yamaha is tops in my list
Thx for the content
That is a hard one!
I'm currently riding a VFR1200x and love some things about it (the sound), but I might try one of these again. I think the twin would be nicer for the city duties I often end up doing and the ergos look better for tall lads (I'm 6'6").
Hi....
Great review as always, happy to see these bikes are still being sold at least in Oz. It has been one of those bikes l have been wondering about. Anyway wanted to ask.... and l think it is very handy you just reviewed the Tracer.
Which of the 2 if you had to pick one would you choose and why? l have not had the opportunity to try out the Super Ten but l would love to. As of now the best for everything for me is the Tracer but l think l may have to reevaluate that opinion once l got a go at an ST.
Anyway keen to hear youur insights on this.
I've actually got a video on the way talking about the two, but with a WR250R in the garage I'd go the Tracer 9 GT for the pure road offering, as I can do adventure riding on the little WR. Plus I really liked the panniers as standard fitment and price of the Tracer. If I needed one bike to do it all, the Super Tenere becomes the more obvious choice, and it really was exceptional on the local roads, so I don't feel like picking a bigger bike would impact having a fang.
I have the 2021 1200 Super Tenere certainly impressed with it!😎
Not the most high tech bike out there, that’s for sure. The lightest -definitely not. Super exciting in the eyes of moto-journalists-nope. Perfect for me -yup. I love that I can travel, commute and even do some light adventure riding/off roading with this. Perfect for the long destination travel bike, simple, reliable, can handle any road surface. I love mine.
That's all that matters at the end of the day! There's a lot of marketing hype behind 'needing' the latest and greatest.
The only thing i would love to change in this bike is a tft screen dashboard with modern features like AT has. That's what stops me buying one. Otherwise a top bike. Low gravity center, driveshaft, bulletproof engine, high build quality and of course a good looking bike
Yea those would be welcome changes and I think draw more riders in, if we saw an updated version with them.
Not forgotten I've been looking for this bike from long time and when i got into motorbike stuff
its the first bike ever that i loved truly i have special spot on my heart for T1200
And it is more reliable and more comfortable than GS1250 or any other heavyweight ADV
Only problem is its little more heavier than GS1250 in Offroading its hard but on highways in heavy winds this runs like a tank and it have more advantages center of gravity is amazing, grip is extra ordinary in rocky offroading I've seen people taking this bike on extreme offroading parks it just do fine and impressive and its really low on maintenance its cheap easy to maintain the only downside is its hella heavy when you're offroading alone but im 6ft tall heavy weight guy for me its little easy to lift it but its better to not go solo on offroading
The weight is a bit of a drawback, but I've seen some riders take these through stuff I was a bit skeptical about on my WR250R so it's definitely capable! Totally agree about not off-roading solo, for safety and to have a backup rider there to assist.
Thunder, the GS1250 just feels better. It's a heavy bike but there are a lot of reasons why so many adv riders love them. They don't fall completely on their side so its easier to pick up, the parallel twin has an inherently low center of gravity and it just carries its weight well. I rode a BMW 850GS and a 1250GS back to back, and the 1250 was shockingly easier to ride. Comparatively the 850 (parallel twin) just felt incredibly top heavy.
@@aka_pierre I remember riding a 650 GS years ago and it felt incredibly top heavy, even just getting it off the stand on any incline. Far worse than significantly heavier machines like the V-Strom 1050, or Super Tenere. Even the heavier Yamaha XTZ660 was significantly better.
How often you think you'll be dropping the bike off-road is the big consideration though talking that kind of weight. It is likely to be exceedingly rare unless you're doing hardcore adventure riding, which is probably a tiny minority of owners realistically. It's just super important for those riders.
@@MotoJournoKris Kriss would you review Kawasaki Versys too ?
@@Bncxx1275 Will add it to the list of bikes to try and track down, were you interested in the 650 or 1000?
XT 1200 ....FOREVER!!! I owned more than 100 bikes and this is in the top ten.
That's a glowing endorsement if I've ever heard one, what else have you got in the top ten?
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RT 1200 MY2010 , XTZ 750 MY1989, KTM 1090 R MY 2017, TRANSALP 600 MY 1990, ADVENTURE GS 1150 MY 2003, ELECTRA GLIDE 1690 MY 2012, R80 GS MY 1988, XTZ 600 MY 1985, RD03 AFRICA TWIN 650 MY 1988
@@mauriziosimoncini1898 Very cool collection of bikes!
Credit to you for reviewing the Tenere, many have written it off as an outed bike... Ive got to give it to you for having brass balls....
Might not be the choice for those who have to have the newest and best, but that just makes it easier to get a good deal on one, if that's not the top priority!
@@MotoJournoKris am still young but its one of my dreams..... what could be the prices on the said "good deal"
@@martinarthur8928 To be honest I haven't seen anything specific, but run-out models are always a good opportunity to ask for a deal if there's not crazy demand. I'm always on the lookout for a bargain though, just been harder lately with shortages.
@@MotoJournoKris Well then.... ill keep my fingers crossed, thanks though
This bike is under represented on the internet compared to some of the competitors as most reviews or comparisons tests tend to exclude the super10 🤔 for some strange reason. Maybe because it doesn't get much upgrades or facelift as others . But concidering the T7 is selling like hot cakes , should be an indication of how good it can be.
Yep it's the quiet achiever compared to all the fancy new adventures we've seen over the last few years.
I am on the look out to update my T 12 (S10) but am unable to justify changing to other bikes . Reliability is at the top of my list , tubeless tires and cruise control are non negotiable , love shaft drive. My Yamaha dealer is great and reasonable , looks like I just wait and keep clocking up kays on old faithful , until a new model that fits the bill comes out maybe a T9 or Tracer 9 Rally 😁
Hoping for that T9! Would be very nice to see, especially if it is inspired off the Super-T. Sometimes it's like that though, good to know when you've got the right bike. Nothing worse than the stories of riders upgrading, only to realise they preferred the old (now sold) bike!
Good review, Kris.
I can also recommend the Super Tenere review by Fort9, which reminds a would-be buyer via demonstration that this bike is heavy and tough to pick up solo if you drop it out in the sticks. Unlike a BMW 1200/1250GS, where the engine cylinders prop the bike up a bit if dropped, the Super Tenere has no such feature and will lie down flat, making it a huge effort to swing back up through the full 90 degrees on your own. Not necessarily a deal-breaker but definitely should be a consideration for the likely middle-aged or older long-distance adventure tourer, who I think is the target demographic. Ryan from Fort9 is a fairly young man and he struggled to pick that bike up.
If I bought this bike, I would definitely pack the Motowinch for every ride!
Yep, that's a major consideration with any of the big ADVs, as not being able to pick up your bike is a quick end to any ride. Riding with others is also a good idea, as you've got extra hands to help, and aren't alone if things don't go to plan, although obviously that's not always possible. That's one of the reasons I like the small/light ADVs but they lack any real two-up capabilities.
Never buy a bike you can’t pick up.
@@hyme278 Probably a fair statement about most of the big ADVs.
@@kr-bk7ve With the right technique it should always be possible, although off-road there are additional challenges which can make a normal pickup exceptionally difficult.
Yes, but at the end of the day, he liked the bike.
Yup
They proud of 700 tenere
I took mine on some green lanes around Guildford and it was great only thing I had trouble with was the sand.
I've seen some great videos of the green lanes, always makes me a bit jealous they look amazing. I took my WR to a beach for some sand riding and that was a real challenge. Mad respect to anyone riding one of these big bikes in sand!
@@MotoJournoKris definitely the sand is really tiring. But great fun 😂. If you can get yours on same green lanes great fun
It is one hell of a bike ........ Grab one if you can ..........
I would always go manual suspension over electrical due to faults and cost of repairs.
I do wonder what the long term cost of the electronic suspension will look like, and electronics are always a concern.
@@MotoJournoKris I knew a lad who has a 1300fj and it cost him £2500 for a rear electrical shock
@@TheZanshen Yikes. I'm guessing it's not as easy as just going back to regular suspension either, with all the electronic systems generally integrated.
You have not experienced the benefit of changing suspension setting on the fly like switching from bumpy highway, to smooth curvy roads, to rutted dirt roads, to one rider versus two, luggage on, etc. It is a game changer. Having to stop each time and do suspension changes would be a real PIA. Five years on still realiable. Yamaha parts if needed are super cheap online. A DIY bike.
@@is3260 Thanks mate for your reply. A rear shocker for electronic suspension is £2000-2500 on a FJR . So I would suspect the tenere would be the almost as much and that’s the quote from a authorised uk dealer .
I really want this to be my next bike. I just need to find one for sale in my state, which is becoming increasingly difficult.
Only going to get harder to find too!
Looks great electronic suspension big plus Yamaha reliability and quality second to none shaft drive sensible all though adds weight great tourer
That pretty much sums the bike up in a nutshell!
My new Yamaha Super Ténéré ES 1200cc. they have the 2024 coming out also
WIcked, I was impressed to see they were still offering them for 2023, I think it goes to show how solid a motorcycle these really are.
Hey Kris!
How would you compare this to a V-strom 1050XT? I see them kind of the same underrated bikes, with incremental updates over the years.
Yea, I'd definitely put these two in the same sort of category, they haven't got the full bells and whistles, but super solid machines with great overall capabilities, and a bit more value driven. They don't seem to have the same mass appeal as the GSA or KTMs for some reason...
Great review!!!! Did I miss these answers???
Heated grips? Tire Pressure Monitoring?
Unfortunately a no on both those features, although you can of course add heated grips!
@@MotoJournoKris thanks.....appreciate the quick response. Still a beast of a bike!!!!
At least in Europe, the ZE comes with heated grips but the only tire pressure system is your feeling of the bike and a pressure meter in the valve. Sincerely, having had lot of miss reads and faults in my GSA, its a blessing. My Z (non E) doesn´t come with heated grips but since i live in Portugal (the western - south tip of Europe) i really only miss it when i travel north (i can always install it...).
A super reliable motorcycle, a good bike for long distance touring, I did a number of cross continental rides across North America. However it has as much character and soul as a kitchen appliance. I now have a BMW 1250 GS, a much better all round motorcycle.
I've heard the same complaint about BMWs and the GS to be honest.
I'm hoping that Yamaha release a T7 styled version of this soon as they can't be purchased new any more in Europe.
Would be crazy for them not to bring out a new larger capacity adventure. It seems to be such a strong segment. I guess we'll see what happens.
Great review but like most reviews the description of the height did not include your inseam or height without that information I can only guess on the actual scale, so how tall are you? I'm very interested in this bike any info would be appreciated. thank you. 👍
Sorry must have forgotten! I'm 180 cm and a 32 inch inseam for comparison.
Hi Kris, great review, however at that price you can get a lot more for not much extra coin. For me, more importantly, is I love the jacket you’re wearing. What is it, where can you get it and approximate price. Thank you. 👍😎🇦🇺
That's my DRIRIDER RallyCross Pro 3 jacket, I really rate it, great in summer, super breathable, nice and warm in winter with all the liners, although you may need to layer up if its really cold. Comes with a water bladder and the exterior armour is ideal if you take a tumble in the dirt. I think they are about $350-400 RRP AUD. Most motorcycle stores in Australia stock DRIRIDER, may be a little harder to find elsewhere!
@@MotoJournoKris Thanks mate. I think I’ll buy one based on how it looks and with the features it has. Plus, as you are well aware of, they do make some great stuff for the Aussie market.
I keep hearing that Super Tenere is heavier compared to GS but, S10 ES is 585 wet vs GS 591 wet. Tiger is in the same weight range. There is nothing with shaft drive significantly lighter but, S10 is significantly cheaper and it can use cheaper gas due to lower compression. Yes, lower power as well. It has cruise control, grip warmers, UBS, ABS, 3 level traction control, two rider modes touring and sport. What more do you need? It is fairly easy diy maintenance. It is first and foremost touring bike like any bike with road biased tires. But, it is surprisingly good on rough and dirt roads too. It is stupid to consider it off road bike but, for capable rider it can do a lot more than one would think.
It does seem to depend which GS you look at, and whether you look at wet or dry figures there! But the Super Tenere is really in the same ballpark, it's not like there's anything significantly lighter as you say. That's what I really liked too, the bike is great value and really covers all the bases for everything you'd want. It might be missing a few of the really modern electrical aids, but I'd be asking just how necessary they truly are. While performance is plentiful.
Can you tell me the brand of guard under the oil filter? Great review for a great bike! Thanks
@@dougfinn8002 I'll check with the Yamaha guys.
The 2022 tiger 1200 is 20 kilograms lighter. The V85TT is 36 kilograms lighter.
@@MatBettinson That is only true if you are comparing GT version of Tiger instead of Pro or Rally which is 570ish lbs or 10-20lbs (7-10kg). Take in account that Super Ten holds 3 liters more of gas which accounts for 6-7lbs. I'm not going to even compare VTT85 which is 850cc air cooled with barely any offroad worthy suspension. Cool bike though but, very different class in every aspect.
How about vibration on handlebar?
Wind buffeting from screen to your helmet?
Fuel consumption in litres/100 km ?
There was some slight vibes right up in the rev range. Wind protection wasn't super noteworthy if I'm honest. Not bad, not amazing. Trying to find my notes on mileage. I was pleasantly surprised, as the fuel price was ridiculous at the time.
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I have driven an S10 Explorer for six years, bought it new complete with the Yamaha panniers, crashbars, higher windshield and comfort seat (In Europe it was called the Explorer version back in 2016). The only reason I traded it for a BMW R1250GSA a month ago is the heavy clutch, it gave me on longer trips pain in the fingers. Second reason was the weight while riding. But all over it has been an extraordinary nice bike and I drove it with pleasure. Very good value for money, good quality over all and relatively cheep in maintenance. If I turned back the time, would I buy it again being in 2016? Yes, for sure. Would I buy it in 2022? No, the S10 is a good bike but for now outdated in my opinion. There are better bikes now.
Long Haul Paul rode it...enough said.
Seeing I really dislike the new 1300 BMW shape etc, will really look at the Super10 if in market. Always liked them... when I was younger.
It's definitely a bit of a different option than many of the newer big adventure bikes, well worthy of a look!
I like the bike and it's ability to do back country roads that I wouldn't take my Harley down. I am curious as to whether it has cruise control for those long distance rides.
Yes this bike does have cruise control
@@jackvliet and my 2017 EZ has heated grips & electrical adjustable suspension
This is a great bike. Shaft drive. You still have it in Australia?
For the moment!
Hope that Yamaha will bring another big adventure bike.The Tenere 700 it's not enough...
I wonder what we'd get, maybe something MT-09 based? Or whether they'd stick with a twin.
@@MotoJournoKris hope the twin.
I have the Super Tenere and it's perfect
Nice review...it helps.
By the way, what is the specific brand of your jacket? I m into safety first...😅
That's my DRIRIDER Rally Cross Pro 3, an adventure jacket, with external armour.
@@MotoJournoKris tq bro...really appreciate it...
And subscribed...
Where did they source this motor? Is this the only Yamaha with this motor? 1200cc is a huge parallel twin..
Not sure to be honest, I had a very quick look and can't spot any reference to the engine being based on a precursor. Might have been produced specifically to compete with the big ADVs.
I own a 22 T7 icon blue I've accessorized it with a seat by Corbin crash bar skid plate bark Buster and rear rack I did not know they made a 22 super tenere 1200 I love my t7 but I do more street riding than I do off-road as I have a lot of sand where I live in North Central Florida I Fire trail ride on hard pack with the t7 and I'm okay with that the bike rides well but I want to travel a little farther and I'm interested in the super tenere 12 as I'm 62 what's your opinion on it?
You may be able to grab a great deal on the Super Tenere, as it's being phased out and it's unclear a this stage whether we'll see a new, updated version arriving. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case however, as the adventure segment is fairly strong these days.
@@MotoJournoKris I talked to the Yamaha Dr in Brandon Florida they say the super tenere 12 is still available for 22 they just haven't seen one yet.
@@mototechsam3051 There's a bit of luck involved in finding one I think!
@@MotoJournoKris cuz I believe you are correct because my Yamaha dealer says they haven't heard of any releases of the super Tenere. I will keep looking
Keep the T7 for anything like sand off road, T12 just too heavy with less suspension travel off road. Many reviewers stated T12 is no good in sand or soft off road surfaces. T7 is off road focused with good on road. T12 is on-road focused with mild off road. Either can be modified, but we are talking stock setup here.
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I currently am riding zzr1200 02 , I’m looking for a mile muncher . I really grown to like the tracer 9 GT. And the tenere 1200 . Have not rode either one but did sit on both and the 1200 feels much more comfy, obviously riding and sitting are totally different. I’ve been riding for 22years. Have owned everything from a 1986 Honda hurricane 1000f to a 2010 electra glide. I also own a drz400 . With that said I’m looking for an adv style of ride .which I’ve never owned. Would anyone have a unbiased opinion that would help with this decision. I plan on test riding them both when the day of purchase arrives but a test ride doesn’t always tell the truth. Thanks for the help . Good riding to all.
The Super Tenere should be a good tour/ADV, especially if you've got a DRZ in the garage for the tougher stuff where you might not always want to take a bigger bike. If you want a more hardcore ADV that might also replace the DRZ, people seem to look more towards the mid-capacity options, like the 890 ADV, or Tenere.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks so much,i was leaning towards the tenere.
I had a 2019 for a season.i did a few mods to make it more comfortable, but in the end it was too heavy, too tall, and that seat was awful.
A comfort seat would definitely be on my list, although that's generally the case these days!
Question: Did you remap the ECU?
I got this bike straight from Yamaha Australia to test for a few weeks, so standard ECU/map.
Engine heat and wind protection?
I was happy with the wind protection, but it's not huge. It was fairly chill while I tested the bike, and didn't have any heat issues.
Big adventure bikes I would rather have this over the bmw GS. I would say that if you wanted to fully enjoy gravel\offroad and not break your back when lifting the bike up again I would say go for a T7.
That's a good point, the T7 is definitely a more hardcore option for the offroading, as well as being lighter, easier to pickup and more manageable as a result!
Is this Tenere 1200 a 2022.or an older mode?l I own a 2022 T7 don't tease me lol
Same as the existing models, not a new 2022.
@@MotoJournoKris then why do people put new 22 T1200 lol
how tall are you?
I'm 180 cm and a 32 inch inseam.
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İ think, 43 mm front fork is very thin for a 265 kg bike.
I reckon Yamaha know what they are doing.
You must also consider the thickness of the tube.
One of the big reasons I bought my Super Tenere is the fact that it DOESN'T have all the "bells and whistles" the more expensive ADV bikes have.
No fancy graphics.
Not many settings (an advantage for someone like me who screws with settings just to screw with them).
Some of the TFT displays they put on motorcycles with their fancy graphics and colors are downright distracting. You need a display that gives you information; not a display that looks like a video poker machine to the point where it affects your situational awareness to what's happening on the road.
I took a trip on mine for 6 days and nearly 3000 miles in oppressive heat this past summer.
No issues.
In short, this bike gives you everything to actually need and nothing you don't.
Honestly, I think that's where the bike succeeds. It may not be for everyone, but the people who all really love the bike say the same things you've mentioned!
@@MotoJournoKris you only need to look at multi-million dollar fighter jets or tanks to get what I'm talking about.
The displays are VERY minimal green-screens with simple high-lighting. Colors are only used where they WANT to attract attention to a warning or alert.
You don't need a pilot or tank commander trying to engage multiple targets to be distracted by fancy graphics and animations.
Just give me my speed, how much gas I've got, RPM, and gear and I'm good.
@@karlreinke Yep I'm generally very happy as long as I've got that and the time on an LCD display.
It really makes me angry that bikes like this aren't available in the US
It looks they've phased them out everywhere at this stage, unfortunately. We'll have to see if a new version replaces it.
Available in USA from 2010-2024 so far. Do you live in USA?
Question: Have you heard that Yamaha maybe canceling this motorcycle?
I haven't heard anything official, but it does seem to have been discontinued, unless there's a new version in the works and just a delay until announcement and arrival.
@@MotoJournoKris I am thinking about getting one. But, don't want to buy a bike that gears discontinued, ya know?
@@TimRHillard Fair enough, probably worth waiting to see if they announce an updated version to be sure it's continuing.
They don’t even sell these in the States anymore.
Just bought a new 2022 Super Tenere with same black and yellow color from a Yamaha dealer 2 weeks ago in NC. There was another for sale in WV
@@truckingfun5033 I stand corrected. How is the throttle on your bike. I bought a 2020 and the throttle is very sensitive. Almost too sensitive.