Is Boeing Planning a 757 MAX?!
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When Boeing decided to stop manufacturing the Boeing 757 back in 2002 it left a big hole in the Boeing family lineup. Now the Biggest Boeing 737MAX will be able to carry around 230 passengers and the smallest Boeing 787 around 350. Since the Boeing 767 passenger version has also stopped production, Boeing has nothing to fill that part of the market and fend of the Airbus A321 family. So what will Boeing do? Would it be possible to create a new version of the beloved 757/767?
In todays video I will pick that possibility apart and see if, at the end, it would make sense to do this or if it would be smarter to concentrate on a new aircraft.
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The name "UltraFan" sounds like it came from an engineer who has watched UltraMan WAY too many times....
The continued dimming and then brightening back of the screen, while playing this video.. made me fear that there were issues with my devices.
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I flew the Boeing 757-200 for 15 years and almost 10,000 hours. I am now retired after 29 years flying for United and I can say that the 757 was the finest commercial airliner I ever flew. I can recall taking off from Orange County John Wayne Airport on a very short 5,700 foot long runway. I was able to make the takeoff with 182 passengers and fly to Newark non stop and land with 1.5 hours of fuel remaining.
Loved the 757. A refresh would be great.
Have they called you yet and begged you to come back? Maybe even offer to magically make you younger? Please think about it. We need good pilots.
Is it true that the 757 has a shorter take off distance than the 737?
Boeing really screwed up in the last 15 years by letting their bean counters ruin the company. Profits were more important than maintaining a viable company. The last several years have proven that. Many many many flaws in their designs and incompetent leadership. There does not seem to be any plans beyond the 787 and 737 Max. 15 years ago they were laughing at Airbus. Airbus has and continues to show them up. Boeing needs to get their act together and start competing better with Airbus.
@@320dak another thing Boeing is going to screw up is moving their head quarters to Virginia to be closer to the pentagon which would be a mistake. They need to move back to Renton so they can be closer to their airline customers rather than the government
I'm just imagining the entire Boeing marketing team having a simultaneous stroke upon hearing the words "757 Max".
😂😂
Yup, it’ll be a decade of safe flights before that name stops worrying the casual flyer. I am guessing they’d just give it a solely new number name or call it something like the 757-XLR. The airlines wouldn’t want MAX in the name either. Edit: I now disagree with myself. I’d say most flyers are likely are over any worries about the Max.
I wonder if the marketing team looked at Apple when they named their new 737. "What does Apple call their latest version of successful phones? The iPhone 10 MAX. Ok, the Boeing *737 MAX* it will be!"
BTW, There is also a iPhone 10/11/etc. PRO. Hint hint Boeing, what about the *757 PRO* . And then in few years, when the MAX suffix has lost its negative image, the *767 PRO MAX* .
@@The_ZeroLine a 757x is more likely
757-600/700 sounds better
I flew the 757 from 1990 to 2019, around 14000 hours, superb machine
Lucky bastard
757 is a wonderful jet. They should make a 797 in the image of a 757.
I've always wondered if Boeing is avoiding the model number "797" since it kind of sounds like the end of an era. I mean what comes after 797? They've made everything from 707 from 787 already. (Technically they didn't really design the 717 as it was just a modernized and modified DC-9-30 inherited from MD.)
@@skyhawk_4526 They'll just have to embrace the Hip-Hop era and make an 808.
Remember the 7J7??
@@toriless I forgot about it but when I looked it up, I actually do remember this. There was a show called "Beyond Tomorrow" on in the late 80s, early 90s (later it was called "Beyond 2000") and they showcased this aircraft. Again as I said in another comment on here, ever since the bean counters took over, there has been way too much knee-jerk short term thinking. It was dropped because oil prices were dropped but that wouldn't last for long. The headways Boeing could have made with that technology might have been worth the initial investment now that fuel prices are significantly higher even adjusted for inflation.
Unfortunately, as of now, it looks like the 97 will be a 67 replacement..
I actually think the Boeing 757 is the best looking plane of all time, it’s so thin and good looking in my opinion, I know the fuselage nose aerodynamics aren’t modernly efficient but i hope they don’t change it.
The 757-300 was an upgraded version of the -200, with a longer fuselage, upgraded wing, engines and cockpit. It's truly a great aircraft. There is a wonderful video on RUclips,regarding the version and its enhancements. So well designed. Dependable. A true workhorse.
But it didn't sell well
The -300 had a bizarre story. Only 55 were made, and the line was shut down. 5 years later every airline wanted them! All 55 are still in service and over 22 years old.
First flew on a 757, I think, in February 1985. The upgrade from the aged 727's was fantastic! Still love both their performance and appearance. Bring it back!
I love 757s: they're just the best looking airliner ever built with that tall gear, slender wings and fuselage, and that tall tail. There's also something about the design of the nose that just makes the aircraft look a bit menacing as well: it's a very handsome bird. Sounds wicked at high power settings and just rips off the ground. Icelandair still use a big fleet of them: I love the fact that when you book a flight with them from the western US, you know you'll be hopping on a 757. Normally I don't really care about what type I'm flying on, but seeing 757s just makes me happy.
The 737 Max was basically a progression towards the 757. A 757 with the 787 wing technology and the geared fan engines would make an excellent aircraft for the airlines. Pilots who fly the 757 love it, a real hot rod.
The MAX was an attempted cheap knock off of the 57.
The 757 is the best thing Boeing built since the B-52. I loved working on it for the years we had them. The frontal view is menacing and sleek. It looks like a bird of prey. The Rolls-Royce RB211-535C was an amazing engine, although the thrust reverser was a pain in the butt. I was greatly saddened when we parked the last 75 at Roswell. No other airliner does what the 757 did. We fly Airbus A319's where the Boeings used to go, but they have half the passenger and cargo capacity. The only thing I didn't like about the 757 was that it took forever to deplane the passengers, which made for little time to fix interior items. I still get a smile when I see a United or Delta 757 taxi by.
Why the trhust reverser was a pain?
They had a fantastic formula in the 757, an overpowered narrow body. The next gen 757 should sport two Trents :)
And bucket seats for the passengers haha?
Boeing's type-rating commonality between the 757 & 767 was genius! Delta & United in particular love the flexibility this creates. They know their business but I've always questioned why a continuation of 75/76 lines rather than the 737 wasn't chosen. They seem to, at least, have poor judgement of timing.
I also question Boeing's judgement in cancelling the 717. The 717 (MD95) was designed as an efficient & modern replacement of the DC-9... but they stopped production a whole decade before Delta retired their DC-9s. To this day, Delta, Hawaiian, and Qantas say they would buy as "as many 717s as they could get".
I think the 737NG was much cheaper to build and covered the needs of 95% of short haul operations. The MAX does it even better.
@@philipjamesparsons I agree 100%... except the end result has left the now troublesome gap in the product line that Petter has indicated. Customers have indicated that all the product lines would be purchased.
The other possibility would have been narrowbody developed concurrently with the B787.
Effectively what they'd codenamed "Yellowstone 1". Which the B737-MAX replaced in 2011
Neither the B757 nor B737 can take ULDs in the lower hold. The B767 only takes the LD2 (and LD8) since it has a narrower fusellage than other wide bodies.
@@Dana_Danarosana A 717 seats 134 people; a 737-MAX7 seats 138. Why do you need both?
757 is prob my fav plane of all time
I love it to!
757-300 is not the world's longest single aisle aircraft. That distinction goes to the longer variants of the DC-8 Super 60 and Super 70 series, namely DC-8-61, -63, -71, & -73, which are about 9 feet longer than 757-300.
757-300 is the world's longest narrow body _twin jet_ , since DC-8's have four engines.
Awesome! I learned something new!
@@MentourNow You may also be interested then to know that although there are no DC-8's remaining in passenger service, there are some still active as freighters. Current operators of the longest DC-8 variants include SkyBus Jet Cargo in Peru in South America and Trans Air Cargo in the Congo in Africa.
I would say you’re splitting hairs but you’re not. 😝 Two engines on this bad boy feel like rocket propulsion. 😎
I’ve heard that the DC-8 had floppy wings to distribute stress. Disconcerting for passengers.
@Benji P I’m not sure I know what you mean. Yes, I run a production company and have 4 people depending on the become from both channels.
Don’t you earn money on your job? Are you ashamed of that?
2:16 put a smile on my face. As a consultant back in the day, I did a bit of travelling and got familiar with the various aircraft I'd be on and the 757 was my favorite. "Sporty" is a great term for the thrusty takeoffs and the sound of the engines always put a smile on my face.
Ddd 4s
Taking off from Orange County/John Wayne would require us to set the park brake, run the engines up to maximum thrust, then release the brakes. The acceleration really snapped your neck back to the point that we had to warn the passenger to expect this prior to takeoff. We did this for 2 reasons; the short, 5700 foot long runway, and to fly the very challenging noise abatement profile. Their were noise sensor for about 2 miles off the end of the runway and is you set one off, it was a $25,000 fine. I once timed it and we got to 100 knots/115 mph in 9 seconds on one of of those takeoffs.
My first Boeing job was as a Drafter on the 757 (wing structures). ;-)
I had a computer design concept, utilizing 3D technology, where you'd sit in a cubical, put on your head gear and see a 3D representation of the area you were working on the previous day, ie: the forward wing spar, locating hydraulic lines, their connections, support brackets and "P" clips.
You would either grab an existing 3D bracket from a image list or form a new one, locating it within the spacing tolerance from the previous bracket and tube connection and on a small screen the new bracket would be created on a drawing (with bends, holes, etc...) being added as it's formed.
Wow! It must be lovely hearing Petter and pilots commenting on how sporty and enjoyable it is to fly. Congratulations on being part of that design team - it sounds like a dream job that likely goes unsung. Speaking of which, were you at Boeing when it was taken over? If so, I'd love to know what you think of the documentary on the Max.
@@HandmadeDarcy If you're referring to the M.D. merger, yes, but I wasn't involved in the 737-MAX situation (I'd retired in 2014).
It was funny, each time I got laid off, I'd get evaluated for jobs I was suited for, but the result was the same... design (drafting, technical illustration, ect...). ;-)
I remember when Delta CEO, Ed said he wanted to be the launch customer of the NMA. There just isn't a 1:1 replacement for the beautiful 757, the A321XLR is close and I figure they will eventually add it to their order book if Boeing does not commit to a replacement.
American Airlines ordered 737-maxes before Boeing even started prototypeing. Delta now order 757Max, in 2030 we don't have oligopoly (duopoly) but only Airbus and some China Russia jet
@@mateuszzimon8216 we won't see anything China Russia even in 2030
@@henson2k China make ARJ 21, maybe in 2030 we get a commercial plane without "western" technology.
Or they just steal plans how bulid Overture.
its a replacement that you really dont want, but you dont have a choice the face it will be 😌
@@henson2k the latest Chinese plane is 60% American. So it might have a slim chance to be exported.
I've been on the 757 many times as passenger, and it's been my favorite plane to fly on. It takes off like a bat outta hell at my home airport.
And they flex
Boeing 737 should have reached end of its life in early 2000's insted of the 757.
The 737 had many upgrades over the years where as the 757 did not. Same old engines, same old Avionics. Boeing ran the same design from early 80s
@@chrisheffernan7540 They did design two new winglet designs for 757. Also the some have upgraded the avionics to fit large displays like UPS and Fedex. Also the RR engines did change from early models to newer. I agree that they should have done more. But still you cannot say that there isn't any upgrades to 757.
@@randomdriver U cant bullshit me. I work on these things every day. I am a Lead mechanic with 30 years experience on 757s. The Avionics is the same as it was in 1981. The large screens is for viewing only. This does not upgrade the Avionics in any way. As far as the wing goes it may have changed, but the engines are fuel efficient but would need upgrading for a redesign. I've worked at United and Fedex
@@chrisheffernan7540 Still the 757 would have absolutely been a better platform to develop than the ancient 737.
@@randomdriver Not disagreeing with you there. It is a great jet. Wish Boeing would of kept up with it.
I've only flown on a 757 a handful of times but those things always seemed to takeoff like a rocket. While I'd love to see the 757 revived and I'm sure Boeing could do it, I don't think it'd be worth their time and effort to do so when they could likely design a new aircraft for probably not more more commitment of time and financial resources.
You just never know eh?
yes, and having center point problems solved by faulty software and we have a repetition of boeings problems
theirs a reason why people call the 757 a rocket ship
Being a Delta frequent flyer, I fly on the 757 almost as much as the 737 or A320. It's definitely a huge performance difference from those two. As a passenger, I also appreciate its ability to board through the 2L door rather than having to board 1L like the 737 and A320 families. While the A321 does have a 2L door, at least here in the U.S., airlines generally have no approved using it for boarding because it's too close to the wing and, thus, it would put the jet bridge too close to the #1 engine for their comfort. They don't want jet bridge operators driving jet bridges into jet engines.
Well if the 737 didn’t have its issues and Covid didn’t hit, the 777X would have flown in 2020 and we would’ve seen Boeing unveil the 797NMA which would’ve gone into service by 2025. Now the 737 is starting to get back in service, the 777x is delayed to 2023/24 and the 797NMA is no longer prioritized, and will likely be unveiled 2026/28 at the earliest. What’s known is whatever high tech version they had planned won’t come until after 2030, so if we do get a 797NMA it’s gonna be on current technology which means it’s gonna be based on the 787. But. The 787 production is currently frozen due to FAA finding technical issues which are causing a substantial backlog in orders. So until those technical issues are sorted, the 797 will likely be delayed on that as well. Boeing is unbelievably fucked right now, the entire management level needs to get cleaned out.
I worked on the 757 through the upgrade mods. Avionics and winglet mods. I always wondered why they got rid of them. They had a company out doing 3D scans of the leading edge slats as there were no replacements.
Have only flown on a United 757 once Washington to SFO. Was memorable thanks to listening to Channel 9 discussions between pilots, United Maintenance and, eventually Boeing, about a strange engine behaviour during taxi. We ended up going to a remote area, shutdown and restarting the engines before taking off. They cut the channel mid diagnosis so don't know what caused but we got there OK!
I love listening to ATC and things like that when I'm flying.
The good ‘ole “just turn it off and back on again” while it doesn’t always work it often does.
I've flown in the back of a 757 more times than I can remember. As a kid I always wanted to fly on the wide-body aircraft (like the L1011, DC-10, 767) just because I thought it was so cool being in a bigger plane. That said, knowing what I know now and how pilots love the 757 "hot rods" I have a new respect for them every time I fly. I've also come to love that dolphin nose look that's only similar to the L1011. I think the last time I flew on one was recently out to Hawaii. My most memorable one though had to be a few years back flying from SNA to Reagan. That was a crazy tight final that freaked me right out.
United was the only airline to offer Channel 9 for its customers, but left the decision to use it to the captain of the flight. I ALWAYS used it.
Some have wondered why Boeing Corporate chose to drag out yet another version of a 1960s-era 737 design rather than downsizing the much newer and popular 757 design. If you're not going to start from scratch, then at least opt for the newer option. An even better question is why Boeing fought rather than bought the Canadian design that became Airbus A220.
I've wondered this too. The 737 MAX 10 looks hideously stretched. It basically looks like a 757 but as a low rider that almost scrapes the ground, and has less doors. Meanwhile Airbus is chilling pretty good with the A320 and A321. I think the 737 is really turning into the definition of long in the tooth.
Instant karma.
Just after the MD merger the new short sighted management cancelled 757 production in the market downturn following 9/11, but they didn't just halt production they destroyed and scrapped out all of the production fixtures so there was zero chance of restarting production should demand change. Then they failed to acknowledge the giant gap in their lineup from the largest 737 to the 767(which was also scheduled to stop production, so really the 787) and put zero R&D into a design that could fill the gap. The current gap has the 787-8 MTOW is 250% of the Max10 ; at the time of 757 cancellation the 767-300[non-ER] or -200ER is ~200% of the 737NG-900. For reference the traditional step size in any company's model line-up has been about 1.3*MTOW from the largest variant of of one model to the smallest variant of the next.
Monroe doctrine led to bombardier turning to airbus when Boeing initiated 300 percent tariff because it wasn't made in USA. Free trade ? Yea right!
Airbus sure seems better managed than Boeing as evidenced by the A220 deal.
Boeing was once upon a time an exciting engineering company that released innovative new products, which is exactly what Airbus has become
Read “Flying Blind”. If your management tells your engineers that an aircraft is a commodity like a toaster.. it doesn’t bode well for the company.
Absolutely right... Boeing is dead and only not very intelligent people would prefer to fly on its airplanes...
@@JimAllen-Persona I know of 40 year old toasters that work better than modern ones, the same isn't always the case for an airplane... Unless you fly cargo.
Scarebus sucks! They are always playing catch-up. Their designs are ugly and bring nothing new.
@@FW-od1lt Um yea right, everything in Boeings current lineup is historical, the 737 launched 1964, the 747 launched 1969, the 777 launched 1995, they only have ONE MODERN AIRCRAFT being the 787, which has quality control problems, the rest is retooled garbage from decades past and the MAX is the biggest joke in the history of aviation 🤣
As a passenger I tried my best when booking a flight to get myself on the 757s. I have been on both 200 and 300 series. The 757-200 was so powerful that I use to go to Orange County Airport SNA and watch them take off. I have seen them take off and land using less then half the runway that is just around 6,000 feet long. I really hope they bring back the 757s
The 757 is my all time favorite airliner. It’s the only jet I’ve been on that literally felt like being in a Lamborghini. The power is insane.
My favourite is the 787, but I like the 757 too! I'd say the 787 is also rather powerful!
I liked to fly in the rear section of the 757-300, only a few rows, pretty quiet. Took a long time to deplane, but it never felt as crowded during flight. The 75 and 73 use the same fuselage diameter so the Airbus single aisle being just a bit larger offer more room inside. As much as I love the 757 it makes more sense to do a 767 update with new wings and engines for reasons mentioned above. A new 757 wouldn't have the buzzing RB211s , so the classic 757 sound would be gone too, so there's that as well.
Loved the B757.Sitting at crew position 4 at the back, on a toga takeoff or even derated (RB 211 535E4 engined) it went skywards like a homesick angel,was just an awesome experience
That baby was built to fly and looked the bees knees as well.
Insightful video though Petter.
I would for sure love to see her back but at least they are still operational as freighters for now.
It's a very powerful plane. I remember taking a 757 freighter to a nearby airport for a C check. Completely empty and needing a max thrust take off as part of the maintenance process to prove that max thrust was really available. Pinned back in my seat, it must have been gaining speed at 15kts per second and we were airborne in no time. Problem is, such power does not truly add anything for the airline (beancounters) unless they fly from short or high runways.
@@philipjamesparsons ,that is the problem with airlines being run by said beancounters.
We do not have many "hot and high" airfields in europe apart from the mediteranean ones in summer but still we used them here,perfectly suited to the task.
The 757 has always been my favourite Boing aircraft and I've been lucky enough to fly in it many times. I always thought it an error to drop it in what appeared to be a hastey manor without an obvious replacement, especially with it's "hot and high" capabilities.
Hi Petter, really good analysis of the 757 situation. As a 75 enthusiast, I would love nothing more. Commonality with the 767 made it a great addition to fleets which could adapt with demand changes. Iceland air being one example. It was a mistake to extend the 737 beyond the NG and prematurely end the 757. Although with the engine market as it is now, it's not likely a sufficient engine is available for a 757 revival. This is why Airbus A320 family is kicking the max and Boeing ultimately. Fingers crossed that one of the manufacturers has been quietly working on a project until a big reveal.
Be on alot of 757's back in the day and it still is my Favorite plane
I worked on the 757 (all versions) from 1985 - 2020. They were head & shoulders my favorite plane. They were a blast to taxi too, either to the run-up pad or to the gate, ready to go.
I believe the time has come for Boeing to make a more efficient and light-weight 757-8 or 757 MAX. Call it what you will. That could help replace the current 757s that are still in service and currently outdated.
The best approach is to use the same carbon composite material that is used to construct the Boeing 787 Dreamliner and using GEnx engines, too.
757 is still a favorite for pilots , mechanics, and passengers. The max version would be wonderful.
Also controllers. Loved working the 757. Great climb rate. Mach.80.
Been a mechanic for almost 25 years. Worked on all Boeing 727+. Loved working on the 757! At 6'2" loved being able to walk underneath the plane.
1:18 the 757 is actually the 2nd longest. The DC-8 is the longest single isle aircraft ever created. Just thought I would add this in!
Huge thank you for the video and whole your work! I really love your playlist about aviation accidents and look forward for each new video! Great animation and lots of precious technical details! I can't fail to mention your beautiful and rich English with such distinct pronunciation, so clear for non-English-native listeners!
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I loved the Boeing 757 and flew on it many times on Delta and outside the US they served on a few carriers Icelandair and Royal Air Maroc come to mind
Having flown on a Delta 757-200 twice in 2018, and once in 2019. I am in love with that aircraft, its spacious, and the shear power it has is impressive and noticeable even as a passenger. Taking off out of San Diego it rolled down the runway and climbed like a rocket. By far my favorite aircraft.
Like the B737, it's 6" narrower than the A320series. It also rattles and is much noisier. Airbus planes arr just superior even it comes to passenger comfort. I'm always amazed at how unobjective most people's opinions are.
I last flew on a 757 from Atlanta to Seattle in 2018 and wow what a powerful aircraft it is, it was joy to fly on
757 was a fantastic airplane. I worked on that program for about three years when I first started working for Boeing. Miss it much
As airbus fan the 757 was one of the best planes I flew the way it took of felt like something I could never feel again as I flew the a321lr on a 8 hour flight I would love a 757 max
757 Has been my favorite plane for a long time. It's the hotrod of airliners.
The 757 is my favorite plane and it will forever be
Honestly, I loved flying on the 767. The longest flight was my connecting flight from Houston to Guam with a short layover in Honolulu. It was around 16 hours flying total and I didn’t walk off the 767 all cramped up. When I fly to Tokyo on the 777, 747, I feel like I’ve been squashed for hours. (Although my last 747 flight was with northwest, shortly before it merger with Delta). I flew on the 757 to Mexico and it was a good flight, I just prefer the wide body for longer flights).
In the early 1990s, I was involved in the UPS re-engining of 727s - we did this at Dee Howard in San Antonio, replacing the PW JT8s with RR Tay 650s .. it's not that difficult .. we replaced all the steam gauges with a glass cockpit, rewired the fuselage with new avionics, removed the #2 Center Intake and replaced it with a larger diameter center intake, built new Engine Pylons for #1 and #3 Engine, built new Cowlings, and did a heavy D Check Inspection .. the same thing can [ and has been ] done on MD80s / MD 90s / B717s - lengthening / shortening the fuselage and replacing the engines and avionics - and the same thing can be done on 757s .. the 737 MAX was a massive mistake .. Boeing should have cancelled the 737 line after 737 NG and focused on reducing the operating costs of the 757 .. the 757 was a much better design with much better growth potential ..
I'm guessing the Engines were pre-approved for the aircraft. Upgrading the entire plane requires a lot more work.
I totally agree with your views on keeping the 757 going. Thanks!
Part of the problem is, there is no suitable candidate for re-engining the 757 as Mentour mentioned. CFM-Leap/PW1100G are too small, GE-NX is too big. There is no new generation engines in the power class of the RB-211s and PW2000, both those engines were designed in the 60s for the 747 and L1011
@@mrvwbug4423 that's right. Some planes are certified for several different engines. Boeing certifies with CFM, GE, and Rolls Royce. The 747 could use either the GE or Rolls Royce. It would just be the simple re-engine process as described in the Maintenance Manual. Putting a completely different uncertified engine onto a plane is a nightmare and tons of legal FAA red tape. Mentor Pilot talks a lot about safety and that's why.
But Boeing got an order for 50 of NG but in condition they make 50 new next gen for American Airlines. So basically they have order for 50 non existent plane.
That's why Max is slappy Joe and ended not so well for Boeing
It would be so interesting to hear your own experiences - challenging flights, suprises, thing that have gone wrong, things you have learnt. Love the content 👍🏼
Thanks, Petter, for this informative video on the ongoings of aircraft design!! 👍✈✈👍
Cool seeing that picture of the Air Europe 757 taken from the old viewing platform at EGNT, looks exactly how I remember it as a kid
Hope they do, would be the most sensible decision they’ve made in years!
Check through the video and see if you still think so after.
@@MentourNow they just need to design a new aircraft with the same philosophy as the 757.
There is space in the market for it and the competition with airbus is healthy.
Nobody says they can’t use their new development mentality, in fact I believe that will bring them back on par with airbus and progress their commercial lines beyond their current capabilities.
The DC-8 was a longer single isle airliner but it had 4 engines. The 757-300 was the longest single isle airliner for the twin engine class though.
The DC8 is never coming back. Out of 556 hulls made there were 84 crashes. Pretty deadly airplane
@@chrisheffernan7540 What did that have to do with anything? No plane in the 50's had a good safety record compared to today. How many of those accidents were due to design flaws instead of pilot error, mantience error, pilot suicide, etc? You need to look at this from a 3 dimensional point of view.
@@ejkk9513 I dont need to look st anything. I gave you a fact, now swallow it
@@chrisheffernan7540 Okay buddy. I suggest getting your mental health looked at. Nothing you said was even remotely sensible.
The sky pencil has always been my favorite aircrafts.
I loved the 757, too, and very puzzled when it ended. I haven't flown since 2002, but 757 was my new favorite as there were less 747s (my fav) in the air, as it took routes from the 747, at least the airline I was flying. The 757 was smaller than the 747, but very tolerable for several hours, and had the modcons. Note that the only time I flew economy in a 747, it was very low capacity. I imagine the 757 was much better in that regard than the middle seat, middle row on a full 747. Thus better to design for economy than business or first class, it would seem.
Always loved the 757! American Airlines used to operate its morning Miami flight in the past, I remember going to the airport just to see (well, HEAR it take-off)
Always wanted to travel on a 757 as well
It's BEAUTIFUL!!! I think they called it the luxury-liner because of how high it was?
nah american airlines use luxury on every plane in the fleet back in the day
Back in the day it was a luxury to fly. With deregulation in 1978 flying eventually became nothing more than a Greyhound in the sky. Nothing luxurious about it at all these days.
LuxuryJet for narrow bodies. LuxuryLiner for widebodies.
@@vonSoest Yes… air travel was “luxurious” prior to deregulation, but it was also financially out of reach for the bulk of the middle class. You either had to be upper middle class or traveling on an corporate expense account to afford it.
The 767 production line is still operating, to buid Air Force fuelers. It seems to me that it would be better to design a new commercial aircraft based on the 767 fuselage, to use this production line when the KC-46 production ends.
The plan is to build only about 120 KC-46s over the next five years -- that's basically two a month. Airbus builds four A321s every week. The 767 production line isn't on anything like the scale needed to compete with Airbus.
Don't they still make the 767 freighter as well?
@@ClichedGem Good point, but they're only building two or three of those a month, too. So, unless their production line is way-overspecced for their current output, it's not capable of competing with he A321.
@@beeble2003 True, but the most important part is that they have working examples of all the machinery needed to do it... and Boeing apparently melted the 757 machinery for scrap metal.
@@marhawkman303 Yes, and they have people who currently have the skills of making the planes, who can teach those skills to new hires.
Those beautifully pristine aerospace testing and manufacturing facilities always instill confidence. Anyway, I have always found this subject fascinating. Thanks for covering.
Hi Petter i had my first flight on a 757 going on holiday in the last couple of weeks . and it was a beautiful plane it was both comfortable and no degrees of sudden going down when the power was reduced my husband who is a nervous flyer never noticed so that in itself was remarkable , but yes was a great flight even coming in to land was smooth and was lovely flight . i am amazed that it was that old . but i am sad it is not being produced any longer .
Amazing Video! So glad you have a place to share about the economics and politics of aviation!
Thanks for that! We will always have a place for industry news on this channel. 😎
Interesting video, Petter! Nice look and feel too.
That's great to hear, thanks!
The largest aircraft I ever was on was the Lauda Air 767 that came down over Asia not a year later. My favourite plane to fly in was the DC-9. Going up in that just felt cool.
I kinda imagine that the new plane from Boeing (797?) will be a spiritual successor to the 757 i.e. a narrowbody 787
Hey Mentor , if the engines of too big for the configuration of the 757 , do you think Boeing could design a high wing jet to fit the bigger engines?
The 757 was one of boeings best aircraft it's made like a tank it just needs a upgrade to the cockpit and a way you go the rb211 is one of the most reliable engines ever made to
I notice in watching the LA Flights plane spotting channel that Delta does have some 757s in their fleet already, which makes sense that they would be interested in any upgraded models.
I would love to see a 757 max, use to work at Lax and saw these planes up close and that plane was a solid work horse plane.
The 757 is well past its prime, so a clean sheet design is probably the way forward. But it was a great aircraft in it's day. I remember flying on a -300 out of KMDW on a hot summer day. They'd have to line up on the displaced threshold, hold the brakes until the engines were at full buzzsaw, and use a lot of the 6,500 ft, which made an exciting takeoff. Loved those "overpowered" engines
That crap. No airline pilot holds on the brakes with full power. Normally 40% N1 or equivalent EPR.
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true, the plane would shake like a wild bronco and burn the brakes
If the 757 is well past its pime what does that make the 737?
@@kenoliver8913
LOL !!
737 has kept coming in new Avatars with the Max as the ultimate disaster
Living Legend Mentour!
Thank you 💕💕
@@MentourNow I really have to wonder just WHY Boeing decided to bury the 757 design so hard. They probably don't have anything left but schematics from what I heard.
Wow, building an airplane is so amazingly complex. Great video.
When I was young I could have never imagined a 737 seating 230 pax LOL. I sure wish Boeing would tool up for a reintroduction of a revised 757. It's a beast and looks the goods. I consider it a 2-engine 707 with a durable evergreen design. I loved flying on the 757s during my numerous trips to the states years back. Good points here...it'd be big job to get a new 757 back in production. Existing 757s would need that sweet spot engine in the 35-40,000 lb thrust range and as you say, it would need to be developed specially.
What about creating a 787-7 with composites and a smaller aircraft? They probably could use GENX and just a shorter fuselage (maybe even similar length to 737 or a little longer with two aisles), and they would get plenty of range and power from the already existing engine, and an airframe that is virtually the same as they already have, making certification much easier. They could also bridge any gap there with a 737-11 MAX, although I don't know if they can stretch it more than the -10.
They looked into this also and ultimately scrapped it because at the time the economics weren’t there. But who knows…with this state of the company they might just bring it back.
This airframe should be the basis for a 757 replacement. But they dropped the ball of course. I'll be shocked if they re-visit it.
The answer is easy, the 321 / XLR has taken over this market segment and there is no chance for Boeing to fill this gap in the next 10 years or later, given that the XLR will fly for 10-15 years at least. There is simply no need, nothing that a 737-10 couldn't do or a 787 on a longer range flight with better load factor. The typical 3 class config on a 757 only fits slightly more pax but the jet is less efficient and requires longer runways. It's a power house (love the 757) but it's almost overkill for its purpose. For typical flights in that range economy only layout will become the norm, no one is willing to pay First on a 4 hour flight
@@noahwilliams8918 Yes, the 787-3
Not innovative. Boeing needs new designs, not spare parts.
One area that you failed to mention is avionics. I worked for company that developed EFIS for 757 & 767. You would have to develop a completely new avionics package for aircraft. That would involve recertification which is a time consuming and expensive process. The other thing that you have to take into consideration is we would build a product for 20 to 25 years. It used to be that you would make very few design changes over lifetime of that product not anymore. In other words one of the challenges that you face today is obsolete parts. Or to put another way when you come out with a new product today within 3 to 5 years you have to do redesign work because parts are no longer available period you don't have a choice. Oh and software throws a whole another monkey wrench into this process.
Very nice thank you for this!
The issue with the MAX's defective stability augmenting system was not the system or even Boeing.
You alluded t it in your post above.
Its Regulations.
Boing would have had to RE-CERTIFY an ANCIENT airplane design to appease the FAA and global aviation authorities. Not because the larger engines made the airplane unsafe or unstable but simply because IT CHANGED how the airplane might feel to the pilots, and therefore wild not meet its 30+ year old type certificate requirements, had to be re-certified UNLESS they could make the airplane fly exactly the same even with its lower slung, larger engines.
This situation is entirely due to ancient 2/3 of a century old FAA regulations that need to die so that reason can live.
Waittttt what😲... parts not available in 3 to 5 years you say!!!
Are you sure you aren't talking about the cheapish/copycat mobile phones from a Xiaomi, Opposite, Vivo and not about airships... some of which (thanks to continued parts replacements) work for even 3-4 decades.
Justin J... you are starting to sound like a capitalist .indeed.. Board member or marketeer
@@sailaab Yeah that surprised me. I used to work for a major telecommunications manufacturer and our standard contract with customers was we'd support HW for a minimum of10 years after it was regarded EOL. Sure as apples our contract with suppliers would have had similar wording.
Whoever does your CGI is very good. Stellar work.
Great work highly informative thank you
TLDR: Yes! Even IF they aren't at this moment they'll soon have to because of how strong the Airbus offerings in the segment are... Plus Nordic's love 757's for their large range and minimal seating for our oh-so-common long and thin routes! Edmonton-Keflavik for example or Edmonton-Oslo would clean up with a 757MAX!
The Boeing 757 was a magnificent aircraft for style, performance, and riding comfort, and it's one I enjoyed flying in. Boeing, however, needs to stop stretching the 737. Once the "baby" Boeing, the 737 MAX -10 is now similar in size, range, and capacity as that of the classic Boeing 707-120. The 737 is now simply the "twin" 707 and with less tires.
The entire MAX design principle is UnAirworthy and a violation of FAA Safety of Flight - the aircraft cannot be flown manually - the pilots cannot override the computer and regain control - the aircraft should have never been built and should have never been approved or certified .. the FAA should GROUND the entire 737 MAX Fleet and rescind the Type Certificate .. there are going to be more crashes of the 737 MAX, with the Computers failing and driving the ships into the ground and the Pilots unable to do anything about it - guaranteed ..
@@bradhartliep879 You should do some research because what you said is just not correct.
Yes, it's difficult to fly manually, but so are most modern aircraft. The max is still an exceptionally well built plane with a good safety record.
The MCAS problem is something that should've NEVER happened(Southwest Airlines and Boeing need to pay for the deaths.) However, it has been fixed and the plane recertified.
I'm a big fan of the MAX 10 and I really want it to succeed. It doesn’t seem like Boeing is all too serious about it though based on things like what Ryanair is saying.
What would be the feasibility of keeping the same fuselage design but just building it out of composite? Seems like a simple switch but I'm sure there are reasons it's more complicated than that.
The 757 was my favourite aircraft to fly especially from BGI to MIA
Boeing just needs to get their act together and start delivering 787s before they worry about the NMA. I have a feeling they would make an announcement by next year on the direction for the future. The company has been through a lot of turmoil and I don't believe the current CEO is in there for the long haul.
As a child I loved the 757 felt as close as I’d get to a 747 at the time aged 8 😂
Thanks again for the hard work and cool video. Wondering if the new design might be so much lighter that it could use the lower (bumped up) thrust engines...and be that much more efficient as well. The B757 was always a big girl at 255,000lbs. and a large fuel load percentage...so a bit of a tanker like the B777-300ER is. More efficient engines and a fancy new wing/etc. would require less fuel and supporting OEW structure. The B757 was always famous for wake turbulence...due to induced drag which would be much less with a longer wing and a new airfoil. Guess they would also go with a composite fuselage and really lose weight. I've said for years that they should use the B757 type as the basis for the NMA. Twin-aisles just have too much fuel and OEW, even though the B787 and A350 have made big progress in this area, plus emissions. Surprise...did a video about this too: ruclips.net/video/lr1BC5EzaRs/видео.html
Aviation's investment in such progress is never mentioned by the eco-mentalists along with shipping (twice the effect of aviation), NOx (ever heard this mentioned on TV...?)...and the military's contributions. They would rather glue themselves to the street than learn anything useful...so far.
757 could be difficult due to the production lines dismantled, but a 767 that still fabricates some freighter could be useful, however the NMA should be a clean sheet one
I don’t think they would call it the 757MAX for some reason 😅
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It’s not only the manufacturing challenge. Prior to this there is an engineering documentation challenge. Probably this aircraft was designed with very old CAD software or maybe hand drawn drawings. Converting the older design to the new 3D CAD design cost a lot. Not to say how to make or document changes.
I get up and drink a pint of water everyday and exercise b4 going to work.. I think it's the only way to do it when you run a busy life.
Another interesting video 👍
I really like the 757, we have a couple in our RNZAF. Best of all though (to me) is the old Vickers VC10
The greatest challenge of any heavy industry is not to meet the immediate demands of today but to meet the demands of the decades to come. When you have accountants making the major decisions to satisfy share holders first and foremost, it's eventually going to lead to a lack of innovation, a lack of forethought, a lack of long-term thinking. That's where investors have to be smarter about what they're investing in, otherwise we get a 737MAX. If instead of pulling the plug on the 757/767 programs as a knee-jerk reaction to the temporary reduction of travel, Boeing put those programs on trickle realizing that there would likely be a resurgent demand down the line, they would have been prepared for things to come. Perhaps they would have had designs to meet it? As much as I would like to have faith in businesses as large as Boeing, I still think it comes down to taking chances and luck. No one thought the 747 would be as successful as it was. I doubt the engineers of the 707 in the 50s would have ever thought much of the DNA of that aircraft would survive recognizably 70 years into the future. Case in point: Right now A380s are ceasing production and they are even being scrapped! Hmmm, do you think it's likely that human beings are going to stop reproducing at alarming rates? Sure it would be nice if less of us were mucking about this planet but that's fairly arrogant of me to say considering I'm already here. Given we're not likely to stop, is it more economical to fly 700+ people in 3 smaller jets or in 1 larger? So what is Airbus going to do in 15 years when the A380 is a more viable aircraft in places like China where even short haul flights might have a 500 passenger demand?
"If instead of pulling the plug on the 757/767 programs as a knee-jerk reaction to the temporary reduction of travel, Boeing put those programs on trickle realizing that there would likely be a resurgent demand down the line, they would have been prepared for things to come."
Airbus, of course, has made exactly the same mistake with the A380. Now all over Asia carriers are starting to scream for them on thick routes with constrained airport slots - exactly the market for which the 380 was developed (NOT Emirates-style ultra longhaul - that was a bonus) but which with one thing or another took longer to emerge than anticipated.
@@kenoliver8913 Agreed and I said the exact same thing at the end of my original comment. Cheers!
The 767 fills the gap between 737MAX and 787 much better than the 757 does. Military versions of the 767 are still being produced, and probably will be for quite some time.
But airlines want narrowbodies more that widebodies
@@heidirabenau511 why?
@@grahamturner2640 cheaper to operate
I just flew in a 757 once. AA from Bogotá to Miami. The year: 2001. That think accelerated like a 1/4 mile car! Little did I know it was the last “easy travel” I’ve had going to USA.
Lol, I love the enlarged engines in the thumbnail. 😁
Almost makes fun of the new airliners.
Noticed that this video's editing is a bit shoddy. But a great video subject as always. Keep up the great work Petter! Cheers from a Thai aviation fan!
The filters are over and above what is required. I was always told that one should keep filters and transitional graphics to a minimum. As a multimedia student I, as well as many of my peers always relied far too much on such filters ... it was a learning curve and one can spot when someone is trying too hard. Keep it simple, clean and concise...especially when the reason for watching Petter's videos is because they are so informative and the usual graphics alone are superb.
Came here to comment that. Something must have gone wrong in post, it feels like a student project that just discovered some nice plug-ins and went nuts. I say that because Petter has one of the best produced videos on YT, his AV crew must be top notch.
A 767 max would be perfect whilst the line is still running. The dual isle 767 is a great point of difference between it and the airbus single isle aircraft. Boarding and exiting is becoming a headache the bigger the single isles get.
I am also a fan of the 757. My niece used to take the 757 across the country to San Diego. I remember the times she would have to take the 737. She felt like she was going nowhere!
Hello mentour! Love your vids! Have you heard about the “sky hotel”? Would love if you did a video on how realistic a plane like that could be
I'm not a fan of the idea of a rejigged 757.
The 737 max was their last attempt at this and it speaks for itself.
I think the 757 is closer to what they actually need and the 737 wont be able to achieve. Plus it is far more modern airframe. This probably helps ... who knows. But yes, they need to avoid another frankenjet at any cost.
Lol. That had less to do with the base airframe and more to do with an entirely new automation system that was not sufficiently vetted.
They are very different. The 737 at this point has been stretched and modified repeatedly.
757 had a single stretch pretty quickly after it’s design and it’s got plenty of ground clearance with its current engines and landing gear.
In the past, Boeing, always said that they no longer have the tooling to produce new 757's. The 757 was also vastly more expensive than the 737NG, hence the reason it died it's death. I still fly the 757 but can't say it is much better than a 737. Overall, I just find it hard to believe a modernized 757 is viable. 737MAX A32X NEO covers the needs of 95% of airlines flying short haul.
That’s pretty much my point but in a lot more words. 😂
I dont think they dumped all the tooling. Yes, you need to put appart a production line which is a huge challenge ... but Boeing should be able to do it. And the jet has got a good reputation and can fly to high altitude airports and other scenerios where you need power to spare.
I flew the 757 many times with Icelandair. Fantastic plane!
I love that big hockey stick. The only single aisle jet passenger aircraft I believe categorized as a heavy due to its wake turbulence.
It actually has it's own category, not exactly a heavy but more than a regualr narrow body. This came about after 2 wake turbulence crashes of smaller aircraft flying behind the 757.
Thanks for this. I always assumed it had something to do with airlines not wanting to pay for new type ratings for their 737 pilots. At this point, the 737 seems pretty milked for capacity, and it is a bit of a shame that they made the perfect airliner for the mid size class, but axed it way too soon.
hope not, as a passenger, they have been far from comfortable to fly in
Wichita KS was last place for 757 fuselage and wing production (moved from Renton WA), all the production tools where scraped 15 years ago, that building now produces 787 forward fuselage section 41. It is called Spirit Aerosystems now, fuselage is Freight train shipped or Air shipped to WA.