Decentralised was the best option even if a whole coven goes off the rails the other covens are still insulated. I think there was an Order of monks that limited a Chapter to 12 members once they over recruited 1 of them went off to start another chapter
The New Jedi Order/Jedi Praxeum of Luke Skywalker. It was the most resilient, efficient and free in galactic history, and produced the most powerful Jedi of all time like Kyle Katarn, Kyp Duron and Jaina Solo Fel.
The Old Republic Era is my favorite, partially due to the MMO I can't lie. I feel they were most aware of the flaws and contradictions that lay at the heart of the Order; Satele Shan even goes so far as to ally with Darth Marr, and even reach a deeper understanding of the Force at a level not seen since the days of the old Je'daii. I feel that if her ideals had been explored more post-Zakuul, the Republic could have seen greater stability and even forge a peace with Darth Alcina, who was certainly more pragmatic than any of her forebears as Emperor. That said, the pure romantic pseudo-Taoist overtones of the Je'daii era appeals to me in a deep way, and it's an era I'd love to see explored in more detail somewhere.
The je'daii are the prime protagonists of the Dawn of the Jedi series. Which is a pretty cool comic run. But that being said, you can't actually balance the light side and dark side as they attempted. Which is the exact reason they became the purely light sided jedi. You either follow the will of the force (light side) or go against it (dark side), there really isn't a in between.
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 I definitely understand your point regarding the dark and light sides, but my take is slightly different; we're only really told by the Jedi themselves that the Light Side should dominate, whereas Lucas is quite adamant that the Force seeks "balance". In other words, like religious figures throughout time, the Jedi impose their own vision of what the Force "should" be upon our understanding of it. Now, is it _possible_ for pure, balance embodiment to happen in a single peson? That is certainly debatable - most examples we see are of one or the other side being at least partially dominant - but just because it may not be possible in practice doesn't make it worth dismissing as a goal. After all, Buddhism is a thing. I might also respectfully disagree with the characterization of following "the Will of the Force" as being a Light Side characteristic. Again, we only have the Jedi's word for it that positivity and generousness is the pure "Will of the Force", and I would argue that if the Force is, indeed, generated by all life throughout the Galaxy, to strip out the need to consume and impose oneself upon one's environment that life itself necessitates is no more "the Will of the Force" than pure, rapacious consumption and greed. Either way, this is perhaps more a philosophical discussion than is needed here, but thanks for the recommendation on the comics! I don't usually read too many Star Wars comic (having been put off decades ago in the OT comic book era of.. silliness) but I will give them a look!
@@callummacalister iiiits not really as debateable as some like to think. Revan went nuts and literally torn in two, Darth Gravid not only went insane, but also hilariously weak, Darth Caedus went insane... the trend kinda shows at that point. Others like Mace, Jolee or Kreia very much align with either the dark or light side and are not "balancing" both sides, but are firmly on one of those sides. Regarding the will of the force... I don't see how the force being the collective life force of all life would dispute that. In fact, kinda the opposite: the force would strife for whats best for all life in the galaxy by its very nature. Its also a core of the dark side to impose ones will on the force rather then abide by it, so the opposite also checks out. And on top: all jedi who achieved Oneness (like Anakin, Luke or Jacen) or something similar (Obi-Wan, Galen Marek, Jaina ect) always did so by opening themselves up to the force rather then controlling it. Its not about control but about trust. Its certainly an interesting topic to discuss, and I feel its good that the lore doesn't make a clesr cut call either way. Enjoy the comics xD they are really cool. And yeah, SW comics from the 2000s and onwards got a lot better.
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 - Oh I completely understand that the material as shown definitely makes the case that balance is impossible. I'm trying to engage with the material in amore theoretical way I think; as shown it's impossible to balance the Force in the way some talk about, undeniably. My argument really is that this is a simplistic view of the way the Force is presented on a philosophical level. When it comes down to it, what _is_ the Force? How does it work (not technically/scientifically, but philosophically)? Given the paucity of information about what the Force is on that level, sure the good vs evil dynamic is easy to write great stories about, and I don't decry them or denigrate them in any way. I guess I'm looking for something that doesn't (and may not be able to) exist - an exploration of the deeper underpinnings of how the Force may operate beyond the binary, how the existence of Life, and the abstracted "life-force" itself, as pure "essence" would manifest and what, if it did, it might "want". Could it even have a "will" beyond pure equilibrium? And what might that equilibrium state really mean for those sensitive to it? Sorry if this is a massive over-read of the material - I freely and gladly admit that it is. These are, after all, stories that are retellings of the Heroes Journey, not examinations of the meaning of life! But I think such a thing could be a very interesting, rich take on Star Wars without necessarily contradicting anything that we're shown in the sounrce material. After all, if we take Star Wars as a whole as the "campfire stories" of the galaxy far, far away, the "real history" could be fascinating too (albeit for a much, much smaller audience).
@@callummacalister not to worry, I don't mind (in fact, I quite enjoy a good talk about such matters). Its a muddied topic, my personal take on the forces will would probably be that its bot sentiemt, but tries to balance itself anyway. Kinda like some RL phenomena like gravity wouldn't be sentient, but seek certain states over others anyway. Just my personal interpretation, of course. The source material is, most likely by purpose, very muddied in these regards.
@@SuperSpidey313 They tried to silence our crticism, call us all manner of isms and phobes, said we were trolls and toxic fans, and look what happened. Disney made the worst mistake a company could possibly make, dividing a fanbase and pushing us away from the thing we love to the point we feel nothing but apathy for it. Now they beg us to buy their merchandise, they beg us "US" the very fans who they pushed away, the fans who if they had not insulted and silenced through their controversial use of forcing politics into our entertainment would have been very supportive of them. Alas the wicked mouse has paid for their lack of vision, they have paid a heavy price for trashing our beloved franchise, and now for most of us, we only look upon it with apathy. 10 years ago, this franchise was a global blockbuster phenomenon, now it is a laughing stock, the only thing keeping it alive is Jon Favrough.
@@SuperSpidey313 As a wise old lady once said, "Apathy is death" I have been past the rage, the anguish, the sorrow, and the denial stages of grief for this franchise. I now look upon it with apathy, I only wish for the rotting festering maggot infused corpse that is left of this franchise to be burned away completely, if only just to wipe the entire memory into oblivion to put it out of its misery. RIP star wars 1977-2012.
@@trevargrisham35 Disney removed one if the Single, best written and strongest female character in history. Kreia. while replacing her with a Mary Sue, whats her face. Rey.
I like the Old Republic Jedi the most, because it faced a powerful Sith Empire and it felt like they were fighting for something, and each Jedi had to push themselves to succeed. I also like the idea of an isolated world for Jedi, who would send members out on missions into the galaxy and when those members returned they would bring new experiences, but also find a stable "home" to return to and reconnect with the core and peace of the order's connection to the force, in balance.
The flexibility of the High Republic Jedi is what I love the most about them. You could be a Wayseeker and not have to abide by the Council, if you’re Elzar Mann and touch the dark side you could be brought back to the light through care and meditation. The Nameless and the Nihil Crisis are really interesting challenges and I’m excited to see how they’ll conclude.
Jesus “brought back to the light through meditation” God I hate millennials being in charge of Star Wars writing. The only good Sith is one that has a lightsaber slash in the back.
I like the Jed'aii and Lukes' New Jedi order best because they actually follow what they believe in rather than encourage force sensitive people into becoming Sith through a complete lack of connection of any kind.
Quick correction. Among the Jed'aii, if a person fell too far to the light they were sent to Ashla, and if too much to the dark, to Bogan. The idea was that they would see the opposite moon in the sky and use it as a focus point to center back in that direction. If I were too far to the dark, I would see Ashla in the sky and use it as a focus to move more into the direction of the light.
The funny part about that is they never had to send Je’daii to Ashla for being too lightsided. The Je’daii in the comics had the regularly send members to Bogan to recenter themself and they themself knew the dark side could corrupt individuals.
@@AbsurdFalcon It was strongly implied in the "Star Wars: Dawn of the Jedi" comics that individuals could become unbalanced in going too far to the light as well. As a result, like their counterparts sent to Bogan for being too dark, one who was too light was sent to Ashla. Balance in the force was everything if one was to remain on Tython.
@@SubFT In reference to the comics, Ashla was hardly populated and every mention of exile within the comics was in regards to sending Darksiders to Bogan. The Je’daii in the comics themself never had a problem with individuals becoming too lightsided and every individual who fell out of balance during the events of the comic was dark sided.
@@jakealter5504 It was like that before the Rakata even came in contact with them and their battle against them actually opened up their eyes to the true nature of the dark side. The Jed’aii never had the chance to properly explore the depths of the dark side since every time an individual got close they were sent to recenter themself on Bogan. But immediately after the Rakata were defeated the council banned the use of the darkside and the a majority of the Je’daii who fell to the darkside during the conflict revolted and caused a civil war out of the belief they should use its powers to become kings.
If the Jedis has been a less cohesive organization during the clone wars it would have been much harder to get rid of them. With hundreds of smaller cells spread throughout the galaxy working with one another when necessary but each with their own command structure, it would take allot of effort to get them all. It would be more like trying to wipe out al qaeda.
Old Republic Era sweeps, truly was the peak of the Jedi Order across all eras, where they had hundreds if not thousands of great many knights let alone masters that dwarfed even the best masters in the Republic era Jedi order, the rich lore and truely impressive history of what the OR Jedi order achieved, makes the clone wars look like a insect battle.
The whole topic of the Jed'Aii is a little spotty. Among Star Wars fans, there are two main debated meanings for balance in the Force. Some fans believe that there is indeed two sides to the Force, a light and dark, and that over-reliance on either side causes imbalance. They would agree that the Jed'Aii were in the right to attempt to control both light and dark. However, some fans state that rather than viewing the light and dark as two equal sides, it's a description of force users interact with the Force. They say the light "side" is putting the Will of the Force before your own, thus bringing balance, and that the dark "side" is putting your own will before the Force, causing imbalance. They would say that the Jed'Aii's incorrect view of the force would cause their inevitable collapse, and that other Jedi orders simply lost their way to bureaucracy from such long periods of peace. I myself am not certain which view is correct, but it's interesting to know.
Having read one of the stories about the Je'Daii Order, it definitely seems like their attempt to find balance between Dark and Light made them a morally grey organization. Light grey, better than a lot of organizations in Star Wars or real life, but still the sort that would go up to people and tell them "I need your help, so you're going to help me or I will kill you." Make of that what you will.
My bias will forever be towards the Old Republic Era because I have spent so many years playing the KOTOR games and the MMO. I love the stories, the setting and the overall galactic conflicts brewing during this time period because it is interesting to see how this period really impacted what was to come in the "modern" time with the movies. I have always found the balance aspect of the force to be the most interesting and as you noted in the video, even when fighting each other or not fighting each other, the two sides of the force always seem to have this need for the other's presence to find their purpose. Without the darkness, the light strays from its path and without the light, the darkness tears itself apart.
Truth be told, when comparing the best jedi of the old republic and the clone wars eras.... clone wars era jedi kinda wipe the floor with their predecessors. And NJO is objectively the most powerful jedi order (having Luke, Jaina, Saba, Kyle, Mara, Kyp and Coran is kinda unfairly in their favour).
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 I don't really agree with your first point. The Clone Wars era Jedi had one major conflict under their belts, while the Old Republic era Jedi had nearly 1000 years of constant warfare. But, I can't argue your point about the New Jedi Order of Legends being the most powerful. From an out of universe perspective, it's because the characters were very clearly fantasy inserts by authors and fans and so were basically demigods, but from an in-universe perspective I think it's because the order got wiped out and the new Jedi all came from Anakin's super-powered midichlorian rich blood via Luke or Leia and then were further hardened by the Yuuzan Vong conflict, which was arguably the most brutal thing to ever happen to the Galaxy.
@@QuintusAntonious on average? Yeah, the average knight of the TOR era would win over the average knight of the clone wars era. When coming to comparisons such as Shaak Ti vs Ven Zallow, Plo Koon vs Gnost-Dural, Mace vs Hero of Tython or Yoda vs Satele, tho? No way clone wars era jedi don't win those. You know, constant warfare is great and all, but it will show in your technique. Zallow is the perfect example: he is the most textbook Ataru user ever, whereas e.g. Qui-Gon heavily modified Ataru and improved upon its core sequences with Makashi. Vaapad wasn't invented on thr battlefield, but in the sparring arena. Different kind of experience, but experience nonetheless. Also: with the sole exception of the New Sith Wars leading to the Ruusan Reformations, the wars with the sith barely lasted more then a handful of years. The war leading to the Treaty of Coruscant did last for roughly 30 years but before that the jedi were peacetime operatives not to dissimilar to clone wars era jedi for 300 years. The old republic era wasn't actually constant warfare between jedi and sith.
@@Tacit_helmet he was good, yeah. But I don't see him equalling someone like Shaak Ti for a few reasons (her having better feats with her force powers, a more refined dueling technique and being physically far superior to him to name the major ones).
I'm a huge fan of the Old Republic Jedi. They seem to be a little bit relaxed on the more draconian rules you see in the high republic era, but yeah, the constant wars do make progress either jump forward faster or stagnate. Never a middle ground.
Jed'aii in my opinion had the deepest understanding of the Force in its entirety, not focusing on either aspects but recognising that both are equally important. It was repeated time and again throughout the history that the greatest of them all studied both light and the dark at some point of their lives. Furthermore the shortcomings of one side are remedied by the other: destructive overreliance on emotions could be remedied by light side practices and the reverse applies too, where emotional detachment of the light could be mitigated by dark side. The Light and the Dark are like two sides of the same coin or two ends of a stick. You can't have one without the other.
I absolutely love how the Jedi were just before the Great Sith War. There was the High Council on Coruscant, but they had less power than later. You had Jedi Praxeums like Vodo Siosk-Baas one on Dantooine who trained 3 apprentices there, Arca Jeth's Praxeum on Arkania and the Great Library on Ossus. The Jedi felt like independent agents, peacekeepers and warriors when needed. After Exar Kun and Ulic's fall the Jedi became paranoid.
I think it is very interesting how the Jedi varied so much. The Jedi Order we know in the clone wars was probably one of the most messed up periods of Jedi history
Luke's praxeum also sought out different understandings of the force while constantly evolving the Jedi's concepts to continue to find balance between the cosmic force and unifying force
After reading a bit about the Je'dii I gravitated to that period. I approved of the families of Je'dii. The training made more sense. Drawing from the book I read. I'd like to read, or hear, more of that period and earlier.
The Old an Original Eras seemed to definitely have it best. You forgot the Luke's Post Empire Order that apparently ALSO did it VERY well too. Almost recapturing the glory of the Original an Olde Republic Orders that their successors messed up
My personal preferences are the Je'daii since their understanding of "Balance of the Force" makes the most sense to me and Luke's New Jedi Order from Legends since it based itself on the old Jedi Order while also learning from its mistakes. While I personally prefer SWTOR and its time period (as well as any other before the Baneite Sith in Legends) over the post-Endor time periods, the Jedi Order in that game/time period doesn't stand out to me too much. While not as bad as the Prequal Jedi Order or KOTOR Jedi Order, my two least favorite versions of the Jedi Order, they still show a lot of the flaws from both those eras.
Which Vitiate in your opinion is him at his best. Building up the Sith Empire. Leading the Sith Empire. Or abolishing both the Republic and Empire with the Eternal Throne?
For me it’s either the old republic Jedi (madalorian wars-galactic wars era) or the NJO although I do like many of the clone wars era Jedi (ahsoka, anakin, obiwan, etc)
I've never read the Disney comics. But what you seem to be saying is that Jedi kidnapping folks goes all the way back to the OG Jeedai being kidnapped? Quite the illustrious history of kidnapping there...
Out of Mentioned eras, my favourite is the old republic era as the Jedi order managed to whether such monumental and challenging threats and enemies, that might have destroyed and continue to serve the republic and come back stronger and better as an order after each crisis. Though if the New Jedi Order from EU had been included in the list, then they would have toped the old republic era for me.
You should have talked about legends more, especially Luke’s Jedi Order. I’ve become less and less satisfied with Disney’s canon, and am really interested in legends. I am also lazy and don’t want to a) figure out what books/comics to read and b) don’t want to read, and your channel is an awesome way to learn about Star Wars in a really concise, digestible way. Anyway, you should talk about Luke’s Jedi Order, I want to learn more about them and I think other people do too.
Just a reminder that George Lucas's effects company (Industrial Light & Magic) has done every Star Trek movie except for two: The Motion Picture & (5) The Final Frontier (which are two of the WORST Star Trek movies)!
My favorite is OG (a very loose connection between very powerful and interesting force wielders; Nomi Sunrider is the most underrated Star Wars character), but NJO was also pretty great.
You’re way off on when the old republic era began since it started with the founding of the republic and ended in 1,000 bby. The old republic Jedi were around way before the great sith war. you completely overlooked the second great schism/100 year darkness that lasted from 7,000 bby to 6,900 bby (which resulted in the sith order) and the great hyperspace war, the Jedi were involved both times.
Can you do a video comparing Legends Luke’s New Jedi Order against the Jed’ai order? I just don’t like the idea of canon where they basically have this chance for a new order going back to its roots but it just gets destroyed immediately by Kylo Ren. I don’t know much about Legends after the battle of Yavin except that there was a race called the Yhuzaan Vong that brought the new republic and Jedi order to the brink of collapse, Luke married someone named Mara Jade, Palpatine returned, and I guess one of the skywalker or Solo kids turned evil like Kylo Ren did in canon. But I’d love to know if Luke’s order did survive and if it was more true to what the Jedi initially sought to be during the era of the jed’ai.
You hit the nail on the head. The Jedaii were the most ideologically true and ideal. But the Old Republic Jedi Order was the most powerful and adaptable force. It withstood multiple near genocides and was the difference between the Republic failing and salvation.
Canon or not, the New Jedi Order Luke created definitely is the best version it can be. Wise enough to know that swaying to either extreme is bad. Compassionate enough to still be willing to involve themselves in the galaxy at large rather than hiding away in some tiny corner ignoring all other things. Intelligent enough to not slave itself to the New Republic as it had been in the Old. It ticked almost all of the right boxes while avoiding some of the worst pit falls of the former Orders throughout galactic history. Is it perfect? No. But I think it's as close as a Jedi Order can ever get to it.
Of the versions presented here, I would definitely say the Old Republic Era Jedi are the best. Yes, they were flawed, but every time they got beaten up they picked themselves off the ground and kept trying. That's an admirable quality.
I have this for you to think, Alan. Should the Republic remained in just the Core Worlds and allowed the rest of the galaxy to form their nation states and govern themselves? As for which version of the Jedi Order I like the best, it's definitely going to be the one during the Old Republic era.
I feel like the Jedi would have done best as an enclosed monastic order, that on occasion dealt with force threats or issues and then stayed out of the republic
I liked KOTOR 1 & 2, but I wish it looked more like in the comics - or having been set in an entirely different time frame. 500 years later would have been sufficient.
P.S. Whenever I look back at all of the amazing Star Wars stories and characters (Pre Disney Era), I get pretty bummed out. I just don't understand why they made the decisions they ultimately made; that goes for Marvel too.
13:17 I thought Story Group hated anti-force things because it breaks Force lore and used it as a dunking point against Legends. Then they just ripoff the idea and don't credit Timothy Zahn 😕
I think it was the Old Republic era in a way it was when the Jedi were at there best when being constantly tested by the Sith and the Mandalorians, many of the greatest Jedi to ever exist were in this era and the Order itself was the most active compared to the isolationist Je'daai, the lazy High Republic era, or the blind Clone Wars era Jedi. The Old Republic era Jedi took initiative they in some form or another were on the front lines of every major conflict and they had looser restrictions on entering compared to future orders. While there were times when they were weak such as against the Brotherhood of Darkness or when the Triumvirate appeared even then the best of the order would appear to restore balance.
The jed"aii was the best. One must have balance in all things when dealing with the force. Allen is right though being isolated and not helping others is a huge weakness. The old republic era Jedi is a strong contender. They were militaristic and very strong force wielders. All this made them very formidable. In my opinion the most badass. However they were extremists and the darkest form the Jedi order would ever be. It's amazing that more siths wasn't created during that time.
You're not only giving a history of the Jedi and Sith but the galaxy at large and why technology stagnated for a few thousand years. The Jedi Sith Wars.
It's Je'daii, not "Jed'aii". Also Tho Yor, not "Thor Yor". As well, those who leaned too far to the Light were sent to Ashla to look upon and contemplate Bogan, and vice-versa for the Dark, bring sent to Bogan to contemplate Ashla. Not meaning to be a dick, just pointing out things that can be found through diligent research. Overall still a very good video.
The Je'Daii philosophy always sound the best, but at the end they were self righteus morons so high in their addiction to Tython that they constantly screw it up in any major conflict in which they had to deal with a bigger galaxy. The OR ones were interesting but so complex and with to many factions to consider them a single entity. Same with the three eras of the High Republic, being one of the most interesting ones by how much different points of view of the Force they offer (and it isn't true that they didn't face any conflict, there were 1000 years of peace because they faced and solved A LOT of conflicts, not being even the most prominent force organization in the galaxy at the half of that time). Luke's Academy still had a lot to show, but through The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Rise of Kylo Ren and Sequel Trilogy we know it gave a lot of importance to attachments, and how it depended in one single person (Luke) so much that he only have to do a big mistake to bring it destruction
Side question, has there ever been a number given for the percentage of force sensitives vs normal? In a galaxy of quadrillions, we have a sliding scale. During open war, it seems to be a small-ish contingent, but still enough to man both sides. During peace it seems like there's an even smaller recruit base (even w the lowering of standards during war, agricorp etc). So what happens to the others? It seems like there should be a whole lot more force traditions than has been covered even in legends. And they don't have to be "high power" in that traditional sense. The falanassi weren't, but I wouldn't underestimate em. Seems like every planet or system should have evolved, even in secret, it's own force groups. Even if theyre completely bush league. Then again, against the background of jedi/sith conflicts, it might be wise to be low profile.
The Jed’aii order was the best, because its doctrine was for the individual to find the balance between both the light and dark sides of the force within themselves. By embracing both sides, the individual becomes whole within the force.
My personal favourite would be the Clone Wars era Jedi even though they were oblivious to the sith and forget their place in the war and their involvement in politics but a few jedi of the order did demonstrate what true Jedi should be, Ahsoka, Plo Koon, Obi Wan, Quinlan Voss etc. The New Jedi order of Luke's/Surviving Jedi of Order 66 i find really interesting i love Kanan, Cal, and the survivors guilt Yoda, Kenobi and Ahsoka carry. Even the Inquisitors being fallen Dark Jedi with the majority forced into it rather than choosing it out of survival. The most successful debatably the Old Republic Jedi they literally defeated the sith in spectacular battles grand in scale and the sheer amounts of jedi and sith is amazing to see. I didn't realise there was so much militarisation. The High Republic I'm definitely getting interested in and their transition of becoming so dogmatic. Don't know anything about the Jed'aii but with their ignoring of issues of those weaker/non force sensitive goes against the peace keeping nature of the Jedi I've known.
So there was actually a chance that Revan never fell to the dark side completely at all (until SWTOR ruined the set up) but that Revan had just embraced both sides and play the longest con. To strengthen the Republic and the Jedi to prepare for the true Sith empire he discovered hiding beyond the outer rim. He did all the horrible things to save the galaxy and unite it for a greater purpose.
The high republic jedi are my favorite for their looseness with the ideology of the light side of the force and for trying to do something good like they did, incompetence just kinda screwed em lol. The ancient jed'aii would make the most sense because they're effectively gray jedi but the isolation is their biggest flaw.
Its why when the prophecy to bring balance back wasn't referring to the sith. I think it was referring the to jedi. When they were fighting the sith, there were moments of peace in between; but there was also conflict. Death and Life, Peace and War. Two different sides of the same coin. By having too much peace the Jedi became blind their senses were no longer sharp. There were a few such as Yoda, Obi Wan, and few others who were still sharp with their force senses, but people like Yoda relied too heavily on the council and wasn't more direct. They ignored corruption in the senate. As they thought it wasn't their place.
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What about the POST Yoda order from the GOOD books?
@@oursecondhome1826If you say so but I find Star Wars vs Star Trek videos interesting.
Decentralised was the best option even if a whole coven goes off the rails the other covens are still insulated. I think there was an Order of monks that limited a Chapter to 12 members once they over recruited 1 of them went off to start another chapter
The New Jedi Order/Jedi Praxeum of Luke Skywalker. It was the most resilient, efficient and free in galactic history, and produced the most powerful Jedi of all time like Kyle Katarn, Kyp Duron and Jaina Solo Fel.
EU Legends New Jedi Order is based
@@TheWarmachine375 Incredibly, it was
Yes! Ugh, the thing that bothers me most about the Disney movies is that they seemingly completely ignored the EU. It's like it was a slap in the face
@@SuperSpidey313 Considering how little respect they had for their own characters like Paul and Finn, I guess It was for the better.
Don't forget Corran Horn!
The Old Republic Era is my favorite, partially due to the MMO I can't lie. I feel they were most aware of the flaws and contradictions that lay at the heart of the Order; Satele Shan even goes so far as to ally with Darth Marr, and even reach a deeper understanding of the Force at a level not seen since the days of the old Je'daii. I feel that if her ideals had been explored more post-Zakuul, the Republic could have seen greater stability and even forge a peace with Darth Alcina, who was certainly more pragmatic than any of her forebears as Emperor.
That said, the pure romantic pseudo-Taoist overtones of the Je'daii era appeals to me in a deep way, and it's an era I'd love to see explored in more detail somewhere.
The je'daii are the prime protagonists of the Dawn of the Jedi series. Which is a pretty cool comic run. But that being said, you can't actually balance the light side and dark side as they attempted. Which is the exact reason they became the purely light sided jedi. You either follow the will of the force (light side) or go against it (dark side), there really isn't a in between.
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 I definitely understand your point regarding the dark and light sides, but my take is slightly different; we're only really told by the Jedi themselves that the Light Side should dominate, whereas Lucas is quite adamant that the Force seeks "balance". In other words, like religious figures throughout time, the Jedi impose their own vision of what the Force "should" be upon our understanding of it.
Now, is it _possible_ for pure, balance embodiment to happen in a single peson? That is certainly debatable - most examples we see are of one or the other side being at least partially dominant - but just because it may not be possible in practice doesn't make it worth dismissing as a goal. After all, Buddhism is a thing.
I might also respectfully disagree with the characterization of following "the Will of the Force" as being a Light Side characteristic. Again, we only have the Jedi's word for it that positivity and generousness is the pure "Will of the Force", and I would argue that if the Force is, indeed, generated by all life throughout the Galaxy, to strip out the need to consume and impose oneself upon one's environment that life itself necessitates is no more "the Will of the Force" than pure, rapacious consumption and greed.
Either way, this is perhaps more a philosophical discussion than is needed here, but thanks for the recommendation on the comics! I don't usually read too many Star Wars comic (having been put off decades ago in the OT comic book era of.. silliness) but I will give them a look!
@@callummacalister iiiits not really as debateable as some like to think. Revan went nuts and literally torn in two, Darth Gravid not only went insane, but also hilariously weak, Darth Caedus went insane... the trend kinda shows at that point.
Others like Mace, Jolee or Kreia very much align with either the dark or light side and are not "balancing" both sides, but are firmly on one of those sides.
Regarding the will of the force... I don't see how the force being the collective life force of all life would dispute that. In fact, kinda the opposite: the force would strife for whats best for all life in the galaxy by its very nature. Its also a core of the dark side to impose ones will on the force rather then abide by it, so the opposite also checks out. And on top: all jedi who achieved Oneness (like Anakin, Luke or Jacen) or something similar (Obi-Wan, Galen Marek, Jaina ect) always did so by opening themselves up to the force rather then controlling it. Its not about control but about trust.
Its certainly an interesting topic to discuss, and I feel its good that the lore doesn't make a clesr cut call either way.
Enjoy the comics xD they are really cool. And yeah, SW comics from the 2000s and onwards got a lot better.
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 - Oh I completely understand that the material as shown definitely makes the case that balance is impossible. I'm trying to engage with the material in amore theoretical way I think; as shown it's impossible to balance the Force in the way some talk about, undeniably. My argument really is that this is a simplistic view of the way the Force is presented on a philosophical level. When it comes down to it, what _is_ the Force? How does it work (not technically/scientifically, but philosophically)? Given the paucity of information about what the Force is on that level, sure the good vs evil dynamic is easy to write great stories about, and I don't decry them or denigrate them in any way.
I guess I'm looking for something that doesn't (and may not be able to) exist - an exploration of the deeper underpinnings of how the Force may operate beyond the binary, how the existence of Life, and the abstracted "life-force" itself, as pure "essence" would manifest and what, if it did, it might "want". Could it even have a "will" beyond pure equilibrium? And what might that equilibrium state really mean for those sensitive to it?
Sorry if this is a massive over-read of the material - I freely and gladly admit that it is. These are, after all, stories that are retellings of the Heroes Journey, not examinations of the meaning of life! But I think such a thing could be a very interesting, rich take on Star Wars without necessarily contradicting anything that we're shown in the sounrce material. After all, if we take Star Wars as a whole as the "campfire stories" of the galaxy far, far away, the "real history" could be fascinating too (albeit for a much, much smaller audience).
@@callummacalister not to worry, I don't mind (in fact, I quite enjoy a good talk about such matters).
Its a muddied topic, my personal take on the forces will would probably be that its bot sentiemt, but tries to balance itself anyway. Kinda like some RL phenomena like gravity wouldn't be sentient, but seek certain states over others anyway. Just my personal interpretation, of course. The source material is, most likely by purpose, very muddied in these regards.
Disney: *makes a mockery of Luke's New Jedi Order*
Everyone: "And we took it personally."
"so anyway, I started blasting"
@@SuperSpidey313 They tried to silence our crticism, call us all manner of isms and phobes, said we were trolls and toxic fans, and look what happened. Disney made the worst mistake a company could possibly make, dividing a fanbase and pushing us away from the thing we love to the point we feel nothing but apathy for it. Now they beg us to buy their merchandise, they beg us "US" the very fans who they pushed away, the fans who if they had not insulted and silenced through their controversial use of forcing politics into our entertainment would have been very supportive of them. Alas the wicked mouse has paid for their lack of vision, they have paid a heavy price for trashing our beloved franchise, and now for most of us, we only look upon it with apathy. 10 years ago, this franchise was a global blockbuster phenomenon, now it is a laughing stock, the only thing keeping it alive is Jon Favrough.
@@trevargrisham35 well said. Well said.
@@SuperSpidey313 As a wise old lady once said, "Apathy is death" I have been past the rage, the anguish, the sorrow, and the denial stages of grief for this franchise. I now look upon it with apathy, I only wish for the rotting festering maggot infused corpse that is left of this franchise to be burned away completely, if only just to wipe the entire memory into oblivion to put it out of its misery. RIP star wars 1977-2012.
@@trevargrisham35 Disney removed one if the Single, best written and strongest female character in history. Kreia. while replacing her with a Mary Sue, whats her face. Rey.
I like the Old Republic Jedi the most, because it faced a powerful Sith Empire and it felt like they were fighting for something, and each Jedi had to push themselves to succeed. I also like the idea of an isolated world for Jedi, who would send members out on missions into the galaxy and when those members returned they would bring new experiences, but also find a stable "home" to return to and reconnect with the core and peace of the order's connection to the force, in balance.
The flexibility of the High Republic Jedi is what I love the most about them. You could be a Wayseeker and not have to abide by the Council, if you’re Elzar Mann and touch the dark side you could be brought back to the light through care and meditation. The Nameless and the Nihil Crisis are really interesting challenges and I’m excited to see how they’ll conclude.
Jesus “brought back to the light through meditation”
God I hate millennials being in charge of Star Wars writing.
The only good Sith is one that has a lightsaber slash in the back.
I like the Jed'aii and Lukes' New Jedi order best because they actually follow what they believe in rather than encourage force sensitive people into becoming Sith through a complete lack of connection of any kind.
That's so cute
@@trigger0403 Really, you think so?
Um, how exactly does what I said seem cute, outta curiosity.
They also had much better connection to the Force and a better understanding of it than the Old Jedi Order had.
Quick correction. Among the Jed'aii, if a person fell too far to the light they were sent to Ashla, and if too much to the dark, to Bogan. The idea was that they would see the opposite moon in the sky and use it as a focus point to center back in that direction. If I were too far to the dark, I would see Ashla in the sky and use it as a focus to move more into the direction of the light.
The funny part about that is they never had to send Je’daii to Ashla for being too lightsided.
The Je’daii in the comics had the regularly send members to Bogan to recenter themself and they themself knew the dark side could corrupt individuals.
@@AbsurdFalcon It was strongly implied in the "Star Wars: Dawn of the Jedi" comics that individuals could become unbalanced in going too far to the light as well. As a result, like their counterparts sent to Bogan for being too dark, one who was too light was sent to Ashla. Balance in the force was everything if one was to remain on Tython.
@@SubFT In reference to the comics, Ashla was hardly populated and every mention of exile within the comics was in regards to sending Darksiders to Bogan.
The Je’daii in the comics themself never had a problem with individuals becoming too lightsided and every individual who fell out of balance during the events of the comic was dark sided.
@@AbsurdFalcon at least not until they fought the rakata
@@jakealter5504 It was like that before the Rakata even came in contact with them and their battle against them actually opened up their eyes to the true nature of the dark side. The Jed’aii never had the chance to properly explore the depths of the dark side since every time an individual got close they were sent to recenter themself on Bogan. But immediately after the Rakata were defeated the council banned the use of the darkside and the a majority of the Je’daii who fell to the darkside during the conflict revolted and caused a civil war out of the belief they should use its powers to become kings.
I remember that the Jedi Order is not exactly unified as there were some splinter groups such as the Green Jedi of Corellia.
If the Jedis has been a less cohesive organization during the clone wars it would have been much harder to get rid of them. With hundreds of smaller cells spread throughout the galaxy working with one another when necessary but each with their own command structure, it would take allot of effort to get them all. It would be more like trying to wipe out al qaeda.
That and the Jedi covenant on tarris
@@jakealter5504And the Jedis who fought / were possessed on Ziost (that were part of the SIS if I'm not mistaken).
@@xylogram4168 yes
Old Republic Era sweeps, truly was the peak of the Jedi Order across all eras, where they had hundreds if not thousands of great many knights let alone masters that dwarfed even the best masters in the Republic era Jedi order, the rich lore and truely impressive history of what the OR Jedi order achieved, makes the clone wars look like a insect battle.
Luke's order was so successful that it took the terrible power of Disney to destroy them.
The whole topic of the Jed'Aii is a little spotty. Among Star Wars fans, there are two main debated meanings for balance in the Force. Some fans believe that there is indeed two sides to the Force, a light and dark, and that over-reliance on either side causes imbalance. They would agree that the Jed'Aii were in the right to attempt to control both light and dark. However, some fans state that rather than viewing the light and dark as two equal sides, it's a description of force users interact with the Force. They say the light "side" is putting the Will of the Force before your own, thus bringing balance, and that the dark "side" is putting your own will before the Force, causing imbalance. They would say that the Jed'Aii's incorrect view of the force would cause their inevitable collapse, and that other Jedi orders simply lost their way to bureaucracy from such long periods of peace. I myself am not certain which view is correct, but it's interesting to know.
Having read one of the stories about the Je'Daii Order, it definitely seems like their attempt to find balance between Dark and Light made them a morally grey organization. Light grey, better than a lot of organizations in Star Wars or real life, but still the sort that would go up to people and tell them "I need your help, so you're going to help me or I will kill you." Make of that what you will.
My bias will forever be towards the Old Republic Era because I have spent so many years playing the KOTOR games and the MMO. I love the stories, the setting and the overall galactic conflicts brewing during this time period because it is interesting to see how this period really impacted what was to come in the "modern" time with the movies. I have always found the balance aspect of the force to be the most interesting and as you noted in the video, even when fighting each other or not fighting each other, the two sides of the force always seem to have this need for the other's presence to find their purpose. Without the darkness, the light strays from its path and without the light, the darkness tears itself apart.
Old Republic Jedi were so powerful I gotta go with them.
Truth be told, when comparing the best jedi of the old republic and the clone wars eras.... clone wars era jedi kinda wipe the floor with their predecessors. And NJO is objectively the most powerful jedi order (having Luke, Jaina, Saba, Kyle, Mara, Kyp and Coran is kinda unfairly in their favour).
@@jeremyleonjonas7657 I don't really agree with your first point. The Clone Wars era Jedi had one major conflict under their belts, while the Old Republic era Jedi had nearly 1000 years of constant warfare. But, I can't argue your point about the New Jedi Order of Legends being the most powerful. From an out of universe perspective, it's because the characters were very clearly fantasy inserts by authors and fans and so were basically demigods, but from an in-universe perspective I think it's because the order got wiped out and the new Jedi all came from Anakin's super-powered midichlorian rich blood via Luke or Leia and then were further hardened by the Yuuzan Vong conflict, which was arguably the most brutal thing to ever happen to the Galaxy.
@@QuintusAntonious on average? Yeah, the average knight of the TOR era would win over the average knight of the clone wars era. When coming to comparisons such as Shaak Ti vs Ven Zallow, Plo Koon vs Gnost-Dural, Mace vs Hero of Tython or Yoda vs Satele, tho? No way clone wars era jedi don't win those.
You know, constant warfare is great and all, but it will show in your technique. Zallow is the perfect example: he is the most textbook Ataru user ever, whereas e.g. Qui-Gon heavily modified Ataru and improved upon its core sequences with Makashi. Vaapad wasn't invented on thr battlefield, but in the sparring arena. Different kind of experience, but experience nonetheless.
Also: with the sole exception of the New Sith Wars leading to the Ruusan Reformations, the wars with the sith barely lasted more then a handful of years. The war leading to the Treaty of Coruscant did last for roughly 30 years but before that the jedi were peacetime operatives not to dissimilar to clone wars era jedi for 300 years. The old republic era wasn't actually constant warfare between jedi and sith.
@@jeremyleonjonas7657Ven Zallow was a monster on the battlefield though
@@Tacit_helmet he was good, yeah. But I don't see him equalling someone like Shaak Ti for a few reasons (her having better feats with her force powers, a more refined dueling technique and being physically far superior to him to name the major ones).
I'm a huge fan of the Old Republic Jedi. They seem to be a little bit relaxed on the more draconian rules you see in the high republic era, but yeah, the constant wars do make progress either jump forward faster or stagnate. Never a middle ground.
@GenerationTech1256 SCAMMER!
Jed'aii in my opinion had the deepest understanding of the Force in its entirety, not focusing on either aspects but recognising that both are equally important. It was repeated time and again throughout the history that the greatest of them all studied both light and the dark at some point of their lives. Furthermore the shortcomings of one side are remedied by the other: destructive overreliance on emotions could be remedied by light side practices and the reverse applies too, where emotional detachment of the light could be mitigated by dark side.
The Light and the Dark are like two sides of the same coin or two ends of a stick. You can't have one without the other.
Luke’s order also has a better understanding of the Force than their predecessors had too.
I highly ♡ The Old Republic (Legends version) & Luke's jedi order (EU/Legends) more than the current Disney Canon ones, honestly!
... Same here!
Obviously the New Jedi Order from Legends. Luke Skywalker, Mara Jade Skywalker, Leia Organa Solo, Kyle Katarn...the list goes on.
I absolutely love how the Jedi were just before the Great Sith War. There was the High Council on Coruscant, but they had less power than later. You had Jedi Praxeums like Vodo Siosk-Baas one on Dantooine who trained 3 apprentices there, Arca Jeth's Praxeum on Arkania and the Great Library on Ossus. The Jedi felt like independent agents, peacekeepers and warriors when needed. After Exar Kun and Ulic's fall the Jedi became paranoid.
I think it is very interesting how the Jedi varied so much. The Jedi Order we know in the clone wars was probably one of the most messed up periods of Jedi history
The thumbnail reads og old high clone and thats just the best
Luke's praxeum also sought out different understandings of the force while constantly evolving the Jedi's concepts to continue to find balance between the cosmic force and unifying force
Really shows how the Jedi have fallen and come back.
Oh wait that was only in Legends.
After reading a bit about the Je'dii I gravitated to that period. I approved of the families of Je'dii. The training made more sense. Drawing from the book I read. I'd like to read, or hear, more of that period and earlier.
My favorite is the NJO Era😢😢😢
We honestly don't know all that much about Lukes Jedi Order in the new cannon. There is a massive gap of time of that story left untold.
The Old an Original Eras seemed to definitely have it best. You forgot the Luke's Post Empire Order that apparently ALSO did it VERY well too. Almost recapturing the glory of the Original an Olde Republic Orders that their successors messed up
My personal preferences are the Je'daii since their understanding of "Balance of the Force" makes the most sense to me and Luke's New Jedi Order from Legends since it based itself on the old Jedi Order while also learning from its mistakes.
While I personally prefer SWTOR and its time period (as well as any other before the Baneite Sith in Legends) over the post-Endor time periods, the Jedi Order in that game/time period doesn't stand out to me too much. While not as bad as the Prequal Jedi Order or KOTOR Jedi Order, my two least favorite versions of the Jedi Order, they still show a lot of the flaws from both those eras.
It’s a shame we lost the new republic Jedi Order. Genuinely think it was one of the cooler eras to be a Jedi.
It’s crazy how far your set up has come within just a years time from just your room and a tv to a fancy ass new background for every video lol
No love for Legacy Era (150+ BBY) With Cade Skywalker and the Imperial Knights?
Honestly have no idea how you pull interesting videos out of this franchise at this rate. WTF man.
Which Vitiate in your opinion is him at his best. Building up the Sith Empire. Leading the Sith Empire. Or abolishing both the Republic and Empire with the Eternal Throne?
Luke skywalker's jedi order legends
For me it’s either the old republic Jedi (madalorian wars-galactic wars era) or the NJO although I do like many of the clone wars era Jedi (ahsoka, anakin, obiwan, etc)
I've never read the Disney comics. But what you seem to be saying is that Jedi kidnapping folks goes all the way back to the OG Jeedai being kidnapped? Quite the illustrious history of kidnapping there...
Out of Mentioned eras, my favourite is the old republic era as the Jedi order managed to whether such monumental and challenging threats and enemies, that might have destroyed and continue to serve the republic and come back stronger and better as an order after each crisis. Though if the New Jedi Order from EU had been included in the list, then they would have toped the old republic era for me.
You should have talked about legends more, especially Luke’s Jedi Order. I’ve become less and less satisfied with Disney’s canon, and am really interested in legends. I am also lazy and don’t want to a) figure out what books/comics to read and b) don’t want to read, and your channel is an awesome way to learn about Star Wars in a really concise, digestible way.
Anyway, you should talk about Luke’s Jedi Order, I want to learn more about them and I think other people do too.
A Star Wars video sponsored by a Star Trek game Roddenberry must be spinning in his grave fast enough to use as a Warp Drive.
Just a reminder that George Lucas's effects company (Industrial Light & Magic) has done every Star Trek movie except for two: The Motion Picture & (5) The Final Frontier (which are two of the WORST Star Trek movies)!
My favorite is OG (a very loose connection between very powerful and interesting force wielders; Nomi Sunrider is the most underrated Star Wars character), but NJO was also pretty great.
I thought this video was about the first batch of clones getting high on spice.
Could you please cover the Exosquad
You’re way off on when the old republic era began since it started with the founding of the republic and ended in 1,000 bby. The old republic Jedi were around way before the great sith war. you completely overlooked the second great schism/100 year darkness that lasted from 7,000 bby to 6,900 bby (which resulted in the sith order) and the great hyperspace war, the Jedi were involved both times.
Can you do a video comparing Legends Luke’s New Jedi Order against the Jed’ai order? I just don’t like the idea of canon where they basically have this chance for a new order going back to its roots but it just gets destroyed immediately by Kylo Ren.
I don’t know much about Legends after the battle of Yavin except that there was a race called the Yhuzaan Vong that brought the new republic and Jedi order to the brink of collapse, Luke married someone named Mara Jade, Palpatine returned, and I guess one of the skywalker or Solo kids turned evil like Kylo Ren did in canon. But I’d love to know if Luke’s order did survive and if it was more true to what the Jedi initially sought to be during the era of the jed’ai.
You hit the nail on the head. The Jedaii were the most ideologically true and ideal. But the Old Republic Jedi Order was the most powerful and adaptable force. It withstood multiple near genocides and was the difference between the Republic failing and salvation.
Should include Legends Luke Era.
Canon or not, the New Jedi Order Luke created definitely is the best version it can be. Wise enough to know that swaying to either extreme is bad. Compassionate enough to still be willing to involve themselves in the galaxy at large rather than hiding away in some tiny corner ignoring all other things. Intelligent enough to not slave itself to the New Republic as it had been in the Old. It ticked almost all of the right boxes while avoiding some of the worst pit falls of the former Orders throughout galactic history. Is it perfect? No. But I think it's as close as a Jedi Order can ever get to it.
What if one of the ancient Sith Lords came back to the to the modern galaxy, which one would you want?
Of the versions presented here, I would definitely say the Old Republic Era Jedi are the best. Yes, they were flawed, but every time they got beaten up they picked themselves off the ground and kept trying. That's an admirable quality.
I have this for you to think, Alan. Should the Republic remained in just the Core Worlds and allowed the rest of the galaxy to form their nation states and govern themselves?
As for which version of the Jedi Order I like the best, it's definitely going to be the one during the Old Republic era.
Yes. More Star Wars content, thanks Alan
Get a life scammer
Most likely the ancient J-E-di is probably my favorite. Sorry if my spelling of Jedi is messed up.
The OG order was lead by the lead Singer of Megadeth …
The Jed'aii were a self-licking ice cream cone. They weren't at peace, they were self-absorbed.
I feel like the Jedi would have done best as an enclosed monastic order, that on occasion dealt with force threats or issues and then stayed out of the republic
I liked KOTOR 1 & 2, but I wish it looked more like in the comics - or having been set in an entirely different time frame. 500 years later would have been sufficient.
EU Legends New Jedi Order superior.
Disney New Jedi Order inferior.
Not there was much a New Jedi Order there anyway
@@memecliparchives2254 There is no Disney Star Wars.
Only EU Legends.
I see what you did there💯
P.S. Whenever I look back at all of the amazing Star Wars stories and characters (Pre Disney Era), I get pretty bummed out. I just don't understand why they made the decisions they ultimately made; that goes for Marvel too.
I really can't decide.
Wait, your sponsor is a star Trek entity? Glad to see this!
13:17 I thought Story Group hated anti-force things because it breaks Force lore and used it as a dunking point against Legends. Then they just ripoff the idea and don't credit Timothy Zahn 😕
I think it was the Old Republic era in a way it was when the Jedi were at there best when being constantly tested by the Sith and the Mandalorians, many of the greatest Jedi to ever exist were in this era and the Order itself was the most active compared to the isolationist Je'daai, the lazy High Republic era, or the blind Clone Wars era Jedi. The Old Republic era Jedi took initiative they in some form or another were on the front lines of every major conflict and they had looser restrictions on entering compared to future orders. While there were times when they were weak such as against the Brotherhood of Darkness or when the Triumvirate appeared even then the best of the order would appear to restore balance.
Aahh... So that's what Bendu (SW: Rebels) was referring to, with Ashla and Bogan!
Nifty ☺️
OG Old High Clone was my nickname in prison
Post Episode XII Jedi my favorite, helping when needed and focused more on the great rebuilding of the galaxy
3:10 Bro, Dinosaurs in Star Wars is amazing.
I don't understand why so many Star Wars fans dislike the High Republic content.
A Star Wars video sponsored by Star Trek. I literally did not see that coming.
Im going to go with the old republic just because of how powerful they are
Now do a completely legends version, OG, Old Republic, Clone Wars, and Luke's Jedi Order
This is a really good question.
I'm going to enjoy this one.
For me, the Old and New Republic Jedi (both from EU) was best.
I think you should make a video talking about Luke's Jedi Order (from Legends) because it is really an interest Order
Wait, a Star Trek sponsor on a Star Wars video? Heresy! 🤣
The jed"aii was the best. One must have balance in all things when dealing with the force. Allen is right though being isolated and not helping others is a huge weakness. The old republic era Jedi is a strong contender. They were militaristic and very strong force wielders. All this made them very formidable. In my opinion the most badass. However they were extremists and the darkest form the Jedi order would ever be. It's amazing that more siths wasn't created during that time.
You're not only giving a history of the Jedi and Sith but the galaxy at large and why technology stagnated for a few thousand years. The Jedi Sith Wars.
It's Je'daii, not "Jed'aii". Also Tho Yor, not "Thor Yor".
As well, those who leaned too far to the Light were sent to Ashla to look upon and contemplate Bogan, and vice-versa for the Dark, bring sent to Bogan to contemplate Ashla.
Not meaning to be a dick, just pointing out things that can be found through diligent research. Overall still a very good video.
The Jedi Order of the unwritten era between ~25,000 bby and 7,000 bby deserves some mention.
Kidnapping people really is in the Jedi‘s roots. So the Kidnapping Kids thing is just a continuation of a tenthousand year old Tradition😂
The Je'Daii philosophy always sound the best, but at the end they were self righteus morons so high in their addiction to Tython that they constantly screw it up in any major conflict in which they had to deal with a bigger galaxy. The OR ones were interesting but so complex and with to many factions to consider them a single entity. Same with the three eras of the High Republic, being one of the most interesting ones by how much different points of view of the Force they offer (and it isn't true that they didn't face any conflict, there were 1000 years of peace because they faced and solved A LOT of conflicts, not being even the most prominent force organization in the galaxy at the half of that time). Luke's Academy still had a lot to show, but through The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Rise of Kylo Ren and Sequel Trilogy we know it gave a lot of importance to attachments, and how it depended in one single person (Luke) so much that he only have to do a big mistake to bring it destruction
Kinda hoping we get a Sith Version of this video, One Sith is honestly the best version in my opinion
Great video, will you also make a similar one for the Sith? Also Revan was brainwashed by the emperor mind power that's why he joined the Sith.
Can you Do a What if Obi wan kenobi and Jaster Mareel formed hybrid organization of both Jedi and mandalorians
1.Luke’s Jedi praxeum
2.Je'daii order
3.Old republic Jedi
4.Prequel era Jedi
5. High republic Jedi
Great info !!!!!!!!
The old republic for sure was the best era overall
Clone wars era Jedi order is my favorite because of yoda, Kenobi, Ahsoka Tano and Anakin Skywalker. 14:03
The Jeee Daaaiiiiiiiii LOL 😂😂😂😂
Side question, has there ever been a number given for the percentage of force sensitives vs normal?
In a galaxy of quadrillions, we have a sliding scale. During open war, it seems to be a small-ish contingent, but still enough to man both sides. During peace it seems like there's an even smaller recruit base (even w the lowering of standards during war, agricorp etc).
So what happens to the others? It seems like there should be a whole lot more force traditions than has been covered even in legends. And they don't have to be "high power" in that traditional sense. The falanassi weren't, but I wouldn't underestimate em.
Seems like every planet or system should have evolved, even in secret, it's own force groups. Even if theyre completely bush league. Then again, against the background of jedi/sith conflicts, it might be wise to be low profile.
do sith orders next
Which other light side force organization rivaled the jedi in your opinion
Old republic. A lot more lore and depth. At least in a way you can experience up close.
The Jed’aii order was the best, because its doctrine was for the individual to find the balance between both the light and dark sides of the force within themselves. By embracing both sides, the individual becomes whole within the force.
Imo probably the Army of Light era. That's when the Jedi really lived the Warrior Monk life
My personal favourite would be the Clone Wars era Jedi even though they were oblivious to the sith and forget their place in the war and their involvement in politics but a few jedi of the order did demonstrate what true Jedi should be, Ahsoka, Plo Koon, Obi Wan, Quinlan Voss etc.
The New Jedi order of Luke's/Surviving Jedi of Order 66 i find really interesting i love Kanan, Cal, and the survivors guilt Yoda, Kenobi and Ahsoka carry. Even the Inquisitors being fallen Dark Jedi with the majority forced into it rather than choosing it out of survival.
The most successful debatably the Old Republic Jedi they literally defeated the sith in spectacular battles grand in scale and the sheer amounts of jedi and sith is amazing to see. I didn't realise there was so much militarisation.
The High Republic I'm definitely getting interested in and their transition of becoming so dogmatic.
Don't know anything about the Jed'aii but with their ignoring of issues of those weaker/non force sensitive goes against the peace keeping nature of the Jedi I've known.
You should’ve definitely covered Luke’s Jedi order in legends. I much prefer Legends to canon anyway
So there was actually a chance that Revan never fell to the dark side completely at all (until SWTOR ruined the set up) but that Revan had just embraced both sides and play the longest con. To strengthen the Republic and the Jedi to prepare for the true Sith empire he discovered hiding beyond the outer rim. He did all the horrible things to save the galaxy and unite it for a greater purpose.
Luke's New Jedi Order in Legends
The high republic jedi are my favorite for their looseness with the ideology of the light side of the force and for trying to do something good like they did, incompetence just kinda screwed em lol. The ancient jed'aii would make the most sense because they're effectively gray jedi but the isolation is their biggest flaw.
Its why when the prophecy to bring balance back wasn't referring to the sith. I think it was referring the to jedi. When they were fighting the sith, there were moments of peace in between; but there was also conflict. Death and Life, Peace and War. Two different sides of the same coin. By having too much peace the Jedi became blind their senses were no longer sharp. There were a few such as Yoda, Obi Wan, and few others who were still sharp with their force senses, but people like Yoda relied too heavily on the council and wasn't more direct. They ignored corruption in the senate. As they thought it wasn't their place.