5 Monarchs Who Doomed their Planet in Star Wars
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- The Galactic Republic at the federal level was a representative democracy, but at the local level you had all sorts of government structures ranging from hive minds to tribal confederacies, there were also a surprisingly large amount of monarchies. Today we take a look at five different monarchs who took their birthright and led their planet to disaster.
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While all fair assessments, Satine very competently handled her position, but she had a very corrupt government to deal with, multiple sith vying for her planet, the whole war to stay against, a political terrorist organization attacking her people and her stance. So while things did not go well for Mandalore in the end, it seems to have little to do with her as a monarch. Much more to do with an almost unwinnable position. Even if she had been pro republic, thing would have ended bad for Mandalore none the less with the Sith's secret manipulations. Monarch or republic, Mandalore was likely doomed no matter what
I think the point was more that her pacifism, while admirable, was not a smart position to take in the first place given galactic events. Even if she wanted to remain unaligned in the clone wars, she and the other council leaders needed more firepower to back up their neutrality.
Being head of a monarchy often gives you less capabilities for dealing with corruption. This is because replacing a monarch with a new one is way easier for the corrupt officials than dismantling a democracy.
True. Some senarios are just unwinnable.
I don't think there was really a way for Satine to win. She was pacifist, which is morally good, but that also means that she can't fight back wholesale without betraying her morals to some extent.
Maul, Visla, and Palpatine all couldn't care less about peace and kindness, and aren't afraid to kill people who get in their way
@@andrewlyon4495 "Talk Softly but carry a big Stick."
While Prince Bail Organa was the Prince-Consort of Alderaan, he was not the planet's monarch; that would be his wife, Queen Breha Organa. Also, Padme's reign was so popular that the Naboo contemplated a constitutional amendment so that she could stay in office after her second term of office, which she ultimately turned down. Her successor then asked her to continue to serve Naboo as Senator.
I mentioned in my comment how the monarch of naboo who sold the plasma rights was the one who doomed naboo. And I thought the same thing about Breha.
I will also add that the knock on Padme is that Sidious tricked her... Sidious tricked Yoda that's not a blemish on anyone's record that's unique. I will also point out that Valorium is also pretty fucking incompetent in that sequence and he's elected.
So a real government elected of 14 year old to run as head of state? It's not like George Lucas just wanted that character to be in the same location as Anakin so he made her a senator and then came up with the dumbest explanation you can possibly think of "she was elected" as Queen a 14-year-old are you serious?
The saddest part about this video is that all of these leaders were genuinely good people and rulers who either made a bad choice that seemed like the right one, they were forced into a no-win scenario, or both. However, I'd argue that Bail Organa saved the rest of the galaxy at the cost of his own planet since much of the rebellion's early success as well as the preservation of the Jedi order can be attributed to him.
When a monarch makes a bad choice it's seen as a condemnation of monarchy. When a democratic system fails it's seen as "factors outside of their control"
“I love democracy”
Sheev palpatine, a short while before crowning himself emperor like Caeser
He was crowned democratically. They approved of it like he was some kind of Holy Roman Emperor and the Senate were the elector counts.
That’s actually not the uncommon with democracies and democratic movements
The Roman Empire was actually still nominally a republic lol
Naboo wasn't destroyed during Operation: Cinder, though. The Rebel Alliance was able to fight back and destroy the Empire's superweapon satellites - thus freeing the planet again
He gets alot wrong. I think it's due to the conflicting cannon and people including legends.
He never said it was destroyed though just that it was targeted, naboo is in a similar boat to onderon (idk how to spell that).
@@Deadman7600. I was going off of the title that she 'Doomed' Naboo. Naboo was doomed simply for being the homeworld of the Emperor, I doubt that Padme being Queen would've really changed much in that or no.
@@ThereMayBeLions that’s true. He was never just going to leave it alone.
@@Deadman7600. Palpatine wanted Naboo to be a poster child of how he wanted the Galaxy to be. With him dead, he wanted to show the New Republic and Empire that the Galaxy would follow him to the grave. Hell of a scorched earth tactic.
Padme handled the Naboo Crisis, as well as any official, would have in her situation, royal or not, and Valorum was as stated incapable of doing anything effective for Naboo and in the end she led a successful insurrection that liberated her people with relatively few casualties given the Trade Federation's numbers.
And it's not really fair to blame her for Palpatine, his rise to Chancellor was practically guaranteed the moment the Trade Federation showed up in the Chommell Sector, had she never escaped Naboo the sympathy Palpatine had gotten would have won him the Chancellorship just as effectively, that was even the original plan. As for everything after he became Chancellor, that was his work and Padme did spend years trying to counter him and even got a few small victories against him once she was a Senator.
If you want to blame a Naboo monarch for dooming their planet then Padme's two predecessors would be better candidates for bringing Naboo to the Sith's attention in the first place and then nearly effectively selling their world to the Bando Gora, Black Sun, and the Hutts.
Galactic Republic is more like a federation of many planets that have monarchies and corporations ruling them.
I would argue that Bail Organa doesn't count, as he was not the monarch. He was the consort to the Queen, so not a monarch, per se. His wife could potentially be on the list, as she did appear to approve of his actions.
Mon Cala should've had a dual monarchy system. Have a Quarren king and a Mon Calamari king who can veto each other, meaning that they have to work together to win.
So pretty much like the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth
@@SimpyOnThat Yes. Or Ancient Sparta.
I am so confused what is a dual monarchy?
@@agent4ww191 simple: its in the name. dual monarchs. aka two kings who rule together.
@@agent4ww191 Where you have a country that is either ruled by two kings (Sparta) or a kingdom that is two states ruled by the same king, but following different laws. (Austria-Hungary, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth)
I love how Generation Tech is the Indy Neidell of Star Wars. I love these knit bit videos. It really blows my mind how deep the lore really is.
Is Padme even a queen in the real meaning of the word? She was voted into the position and only for a term, basically a democracy. She is only called queen because it sounds better to have Jedi knights rescuing the queen rather than rescuing the minister or president.
Ever hear of elective monarchies? They are a thing
1) Lee-Char came to the throne as an adolescent but the CIS murdered his father and started a civil war. If the CIS haven't intervened, Lee-Char would've been able to keep peace. I mean in the end he convinced the Quaren to join him and fight against the CIS. As for the Jedi, it was risky but he couldn't know that the Jedi had morality of Luthen Rael and was willing to sacrifice millions of Mon Calamari for the greater good.
2) As you've said, Bail wasn't the ruler of Alderaan; that was his wife Breha and Bail was only a consort. But I agree that he played a very risky game without consulting his people. I think that he was convinced that the Empire wouldn't touch a human core world like Alderaan and this underestimation turned to be a fatal mistake.
3) Ramsis Dendup paid for not choosing a side which made him no friends and a target at the same time.
4) Padme's age never made sense to me. I would understand if she would inherit a position but who would elect a pre-teen girl as a ruler? I always thought that it would've made more sense if she inherited the position - perhaps going through some test and beating her older sister - and later resigning to become a senator. I mean Episode 3 Padme would've been a much better ruler than Episode 1 Padme.
5) Satine was well intentioned but she totally ignored the Mandalorian traditions which logically provoked a backlash. Combine it with her neutral stance which made her no friends - similar to Onderon's Ramsis Dendup - it's no wonder that she was overthrown.
Yeah Padme's age never made sense to me, she was like 14 in the Phantom Menace. I always assumed her father or mother would've been the ruler of Naboo and Palpatine orchestrated their assassination before the Phantom Menace, leaving a young and inexperienced ruler that would be way easier to intimidate once the Trade Federation arrived. But since neither of her parents were ever the rulers of Naboo I just don't get it
@@nagger8216
Glad I'm not the only one 🙂
On Naboo they call the ruler king/queen but it's in fact normal democracy and they elect them.
In-universe explanation is that young people/children are pure and with fresh minds and ideas or something like that but realistically it's totally dumb.
@@Kubinda12345 "Let's force kids to spend their entire childhood learning politics and have them make major decisions that they're not yet biologically equipped to make, which affect the entire planet. Yeah, that's definitely a responsibility we should lay at the feet of children." Not sure if it's better or worse than the Jedi Order conditioning their own children to be emotionless enforcers.
Honestly the moment Satine openly expressed her absolute disdain for Warriors doomed her Rule from it's inception. All she had to do to neuter Death Watch was make it clear that she was going rebuild Mandalore's Military as a Self Defense Force after she made sure that the Civilian Sector was stable. If she made a stance of 'We wont start fights but we'll end them' I'm fairly certain that only the Most fanatical members of Death Watch would remain. It would likely rub some of the extremists on her side of the aisle but the fence sitters would see this as an olive branch and respect to the old traditions.
But no she acts antagonistic to basically anyone who doesn't match her ideology perfectly. Just look at her and Obi-Wan, while there's history between them, none of it would push her to be so rude towards him, and from what I understand Obi-wan was on Mandalore to investigate Death Watch activity given how they were launching small attacks in Republic space. She even made it clear that she would've ceased speaking with him if he was involved in the death of a Mandalorian citizen when they were speaking after a Death Watch terrorist attack. I suspect that it wouldn't have mattered to her if Obi-wan was simply defending himself. Given that Obi-wan was there officially on behalf of the Republic that would've caused her a political shitstorm that would've torn her rule down even faster then it was in actuality.
@@spartan8090 So basically Satine is Space Marina Ismail
I wouldn’t judge a person based on what they were unable to prevent others from doing. Bail Organa for instance couldn’t prevent the destruction of his planet, but he isn’t the one responsible for it. Someone who actually intends to destroy a planet and then does, is responsible for destroying a planet; not someone who literally does everything they are capable of to prevent it. And it’s inaccurate to pin all the blame on them even for being unable to prevent it- they are just one of a multitude of different cooperative components that allowed that specific unfolding.
6:54 Hope we see Bail Organa in Andor Season 2 where he works with Mon Mothma the Idealist, Saw Guerrera the Radicalist and Luthen Rael the Pragmatist as the mediator of the three pillars of the Rebellion.
I'm kind of a Bail Organa stan so I would love to see more of him
Hey whatever happened to Garm Bel Iblis ?
@@BN-uh8cm Pretty sure he's no longer canon, but I could be mistaken
Bail Organa would be such a great addition to Andor. It would be a chance to actually show him be cunning and charming in a show that respects him. And Smits would be so fantastic in the role too.
@@Cybele1986 Since they've already had him appear in Rogue One, they've got to include him in Andor, even if it's a minor role. The show is supposed to be about the formation of the rebellion and Bail Organa was huge part of it, if they didn't show him it just wouldn't make sense. Especially since they've dedicated so much screen time to Mon Mothma, it's only fair that Bail gets the same treatment. We could also see how Leia gets involved too
One thing that confused me about S7 of the clone wars is that in season 4 at the end of the Onderon conflict Dooku says that a prolonged war doesn’t interest him and orders his army to withdraw from Onderon and go to Agamar (where they stayed until 4 BBY) but in S7 it seems that either Dooku or Greivous decided to attack Onderon again because Kenobi thinks that Garrera is asking for help.
I mean by that point the war was wrapping up dooku probably just wanted to waste separatist forces at that point
It was part of the outer rim sieges, designed to draw republic forces away from the core worlds, thus allowing them to jump in and grab the chancellor. It also spread the republic thin meaning that a separatist victory could be achieved (and Sidioys would remove Dooku and lead)
@@rossanderson5815 see, the whole Star Wars map confuses me because when Lucas had it the planets were where they were but then when Disney took over they moved them around a bit and the only planetary map I have is the old one from like the mid 2000s. Half the planets that are exist now are not on it, or have been moved. Such as Annaxes I’m pretty sure in the Lucas times, it was a core world but it seems now it’s in the outer rim.
@@azeria1 but the way they were talking it didn’t seem that long after he ordered his forces to withdraw, they were back again.
@@Squiddy-go1du old map is better
it's funny Allen thinks elected representatives are there because they are actually skilled at leadership
I mean, frankly, it's no surprise when he still has a "subtle" Ukrainian flag as his background. Don't misunderstand me, I will always sympathize with the innocent people stuck between a rock and a hard place; that being said, Zelensky and his cronies are just as bad as Putin and his cronies. Acting like not supporting one government automatically means that you support the other side - something Allen did do especially in the early part of all of this - is asinine and insulting.
Yeah, if anything it sounds like he wants a technocracy
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 to be as fair as possible Zelensky does not appear to have had a hand in causing the invasion. that pretty handily can be laid at NATO's feet, them having been pushing in on the Russian sphere of influence since the 90's and the Russians warning against it for as long. I condemn the Russians actions but at the same time it was a situation decades in the making with prior dress rehearsals the most recent being in Georgia. the whole things a mess and I don't see any outcome that will be good for Ukraine and its people.
@@kertagin1 Frankly, that doesn't matter. Zelensky is provably as much as a dictator as Putin is. Why are Americans pretty much being forced into paying for yet another proxy war being supported by the warhawks in the government?
Indeed. The only thing elected representatives have to be good at is oratory.
It just occurred to me how hated Naboo and Gungans must be in the galaxy. Padme and Jar Jar both gave power to Palpatine who himself became a dictator. I wonder if it made the galaxy see the inhabitants of Naboo as untrustworthy and manipulative?
Given that in BF2 (20-teens edition) that it was implied that only Rebel units loyal to _Leia_ that tried to save Naboo from OPERATION CINDER (aka OPERATION NERO)? I wouldn't be surprised that the larger galaxy would just see it _burn_ just fro Palpy.
And Palpatine himself was a Naboo.
Padme wasn’t that secretive about her opposition to Palpatine’s emergency powers, so I could believe that she saved Naboo a lot of animosity. Especially as a martyr.
But I don’t know how her death was spun by the Empire, and I doubt Bail would ever disclose her true cause of death to anyone that wasn’t present, bar his wife, but seeing that she was one of the most vocal opponents of the war and the powers granted to Palpatine, I think trying to portray her death as anything more than an accident would be seen as blatant Imperial propaganda to anyone that wasn’t already completely indoctrinated by the Empire.
@@kratal122 no, given what we know in canon, and that Leia's group was the only one that came to Naboo's aid during Cinder, the rest of the galaxy would likely want to see Naboo _BURN_ just for the crime of being Palpy's homeworld.
Remember, hate is irrational at best.
Actually, joining the Republic would attract no end of Confederate armies attacking Onderon. Most likely Grievous, Asajj, or Savage would show up to kill Dendup.
Can't believe you left out the biggest one, the Emperor.
Alternate title: how grimdark nature of the setting doomed these planets no matter what their monarchs did
Star Wars is in no way grimdark given how the good guys always win in the end. At it's very worst it's Grimbright.
I mean the obvious one missed was Count Dooku of Serenno as he was the planets ruler, but there was also Queen Trios of Shu-Torun who screwed her world over among many,many others.
I'm actually quite happy that Star Wars does have several examples of constitutional monarchies. Considering it's such a common form of government in the real world (I live in Canada, part of the British Commonwealth, and King Charles III is our Head of State), it's sadly under-represented in fiction.
In my SW fanfics, I have a very effective constitutional monarchy. I gave that form of government to Thrawn's Legends Unknown Regions/Wild Space confederation, the Empire of the Hand. Thrawn's wife, Xelarra, is appointed Empress of the Hand, to reign over the civilian aspects of their confederation, while Thrawn is Supreme Commander of the military. Talk about a power couple!
You know here in England you can't criminally charge a monarch, and I pressume that's common.
So if ol lil Liz decided before the Reaper caught her, that she wanted to cement knives as an English tradition by....shall we say, going ape shit, she wouldn't be punished nor could she be by current law
A monarch can literally shoot you if they want, and they don't need a damn reason.
Thats why :insert political change here: is great, it'll fix everything, even the past. Yes,
:insert opinion: ism will save us by the power of money. Or if there's no money, I dunno. The :insert authority/leader/s/ mob) will tell them to stop or they will :insert pubishment:
Do you have a link to the fan fictions
so well put together, fast paced, cohesive, a masterclass
When it comes to Duchess Satine, I cannot help but raising this question: Between a warmonger and a pacifist, who will make a better leader?
Padme calling for a vote of no confidence was the best thing she could have done for her people if Palpetine hadn't been a Sith lord/antidemocratic leader. And how could she have even known that?
But that was the plan all along. Palp made that all happen…
@Pug Dad Yeah but Padme didn't do it because she was incompetent or anything like it, she did it because it was the right thing to do given the information she had.
Calling a vote of no confidence because the senate wanted to first check if the claim was true before acting aganst the nemoidians is like asking for the trial jury to be removed because they wanted to check if the claim behind your lawsuit is real before emitting a verdict. Like, how can anyone not expect they would want reliable evidence first?
King Dendu of Onderon, Leia Amidala of Alderaan, Queen Trios of volcano mining planet, Geonosian Queen of Geonosis, Emperor Palpatine the whole Empire, the Mon Cala and Quarren bickering, Pre Vizla on Mandalore. Quite a few planets messed by their leadership.
I don't think Leia was a monarch
@@akdele5 adopted into royalty.
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 she was also Senator as well
"Leia Amidala"?
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 Adopted into Royalty, but never succeeded to the throne, bro. Not a monarch.
Wait, wait, wait. I thought Alderan blew up "in a mining incident" not as punishment for treason. Now I'm confused.
Ironic, Bail Organa could save the galaxy from death but not himself.
To be fair only one of these examples that passes the muster when it comes to a ruler that domed his planet by his actions is Bail Organa. As the rest of them make mistakes that cause hardship and suffering at times for their planets, they all survived and flourished after them. Plus don't know what Padme is doing on this list as her reign is a golden age for Naboo and isn't even alive when Sidious goes all let Naboo burn with operation cindar.
Melida/Dawn better be on this list since they started as a monarchy before splitting into two different sides of a civil war that went on for generations. Also there’s the Sith Family during the Dark Ages of the Republic.
I would say it was Leia who doomed Alderaan, not Bail or his wife. Pretty sure it was picked for use as a demonstration because it was her homeworld, not because of rebel activities.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
(To preserve peace, prepare for war)
-Earth motto
Let's be real, Mandolore was a lost cause. It made no difference who ruled the planet, Satine, Maul, Bo Katan. Would've been best just to leave them to fend for themselves and solve their own problems (or let them die). Better than just letting the planet continue to suffer.
There's a say for good intentions. "The Pathway to hell is paved with good intentions"
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, with a monarch, it’s paved in the blood of your subjects.
Before king lee char died he would at least inspire his people to fight against the empire. Like ahsoka once said to him great leaders inspire greatness in others.
It's funny that you bash monarchies because they're unqualified, yet Star Wars has no shortage of democratically-elected representatives who were far worse than the monarchs you listed.
From the electoral side you have: Senator Orn Free Taa and his predecessor, Senator Connus Trell, Senator Dagonet, Chancellor Valorum, Senator Onaconda Farr, Senator Mee Deechi, Senator Halle Burtoni, Senator Tal Merrik, and the many senators who just blindly went with the Empire and allowed it to grow in power. The "silent majority" if you will. Not to mention that despite being elected politicians, the Senators mostly did nothing about the weaknesses of the Republic and even profited from it instead of fixing it, which gave Palpatine and Plagueis their opening to manipulate things and lead the galaxy to ruin. Which kinda makes them worse than Emperor Palpatine considering that he actually tried to fix the galaxy's problems in his own violent way.
And yes, without the likes of Bail, Leia, and their friends, you wouldn't have a Rebel Alliance, and Palpatine would've just ruled the galaxy for life. So if anything, Star Wars is the story of the God-ordained monarchy and the aristocracy saving the galaxy from a monster that the people elected. And even the Empire was a better choice when compared to any space democracy in Star Wars, since it provided jobs, got a lot of people working, and provided genuine welfare for its subjects. Quite literally, the Senate was always full of corruption (LOL they voted in the Pius Dea cult in the past) and it was the Republic military and the Jedi Order that kept them honest for 24,000 years.
He's wrong about why but not if, monarchy's are most of the time not bad because the leader would be incompetent. Being head of a monarchy often gives you less capabilities for dealing with corruption. This is because replacing a monarch with a new one is way easier for the corrupt officials than dismantling a democracy. Succesfull democraties just aren't as interesting to make an episode about.
Your comment just proves that human and human like species were the problem. It is always down to the core worlds and what species are they full of? Humans. So it is a story of human failures due to greed. But are you going to change because of it or is it “just a story.”
@@thomasandriessen1046 Democracies are far easier to corrupt than monarchies. Just buy some elected official with money, and you're good to go. Meanwhile, breaking the laws of a monarch usually ends with you hanged or jailed, and if you want to buy a monarch or his advisors, you'd need a lot more money than you would if you're buying an elected official who's always up for reelection and always in need of money to fulfill his promises. Especially since monarchs can tax their nations as much as they want, so it's not like money will be that hard to come by, unless they've had a string of bad luck.
If you can influence the political landscape as directly as you are talking about then it wasn't a democracy in the first place. The US for example isn’t undemocratic today because it got filled with corruption, it's an oligarchy because it has succeeded in staying one. Of course, true democracies can suffer from corruption, but there are still checks and balances that are effective enough to have a working system that has the will of the citizens as priorities. Meanwhile a monarch end everyone else in his/her hierarchy has to constantly give personal benefits to those beneath them (hierarchical) for them to support him/her.
@@thomasandriessen1046 That's in theory. In practice, the electorate is easy to corrupt. For example, a politician wanting to tax the rich to give money to the poor can easily get votes, even if it drives away businesses and makes the country poorer. In the same vein, a political party with a lot of money can bribe their way into power, giving donations to special interest groups that claim to represent entire blocs of voters to get their vote.
Also, different types of monarchies have checks and balances. Medieval monarchs are sworn in by the nobility and the Church, and they can just as easily unseat their king if they feel his rule to be unjust.
Have you ever considered doing some Elden Ring videos, it would be interesting to your channels take on The golden order of the Sun vs. the other factions in the game and giving the same wonderful treatment you do for Star Wars on the Jedi/Sith stuff
You can apply the same reasoning against CEO’s and private company owners. Just looks at what’s happening to Facebook and Twitter atm
I'm going to die on this hill, but his name is not Sheev. It's just palpatine, it's in black in white in the plagueis book. Palpatine is known by his cognomen alone. Meaning it's just Palpatine. Also I would blame the naboo monarch that joiner the republic and let the trade federation have plasma mining rights. Pad me was at the end of that whole scenario.
Maul Was the true ruler of Mandalore and owner of the darksaber , Bo-Katan was an honorless traitor.
7:55 "Bale organa doomed his planet"
*EPIC BEAT DROP*
The music for this episode was absolutely appropriate 😌🔥
A lot of "checks and balances" are just gentleman's agreements and not law. Like how to win the black saber and who rules Mandalor.
A lot of these have nothing to do with their governments being monarchies
There was a long period of human history where monarchies and inherited rule made a fair amount of sense. You always want the best people for a job. And sadly, for a lot of human history, the common people just couldn't fit that bill. They didn't have access or time to education. While the rich, or those with noble titles did. So to a large degree, it made sense the ruling class would come from them. Normal people had to work too much and couldn't learn what what was needed for these positions. Obviously there is no reason for it now. And even then, often those privileged enough to have access to that learning wouldn't take advantage of it. But in theory at least it made sense for a lot of human history.
When someone's trained from the crib how to do a job effectively, they tend to be the best choice. Especially compared to someone who just so happened to win a popularity contest that most of the population didn't even participate in. I mean really, why is "Age" and "Country of Origin" the only two prerequisites? Surely education and/or political experience are necessary, right?
I think your list is very severe to Padmé and Satine. Padmé saved her world. Satine wasn’t an ineffective ruler
Funny he didnt mention Emperor Sheev Palpatine as he screwed over the whole galaxy.
Poggle the Lesser & Queen Karina the Great of Geonosis 😮💨
I wouldn't say that Poggle the Lesser was a Monarch. Well he was, but he was more of a puppet Monarch to Queen Karina whom managed the top of Geonosis etc.
Now i realize that Padme and Bail Organa, despite beign so fond on democracy and so anti-authoritarian... they came from planet with a monarchy as ruling system.
As a proud follower of the old ways of Mandalor, the Duchess weakened her mighty people. Warriors sor fearsome that just seeing a small group of them waa enough to rethink ones actions, one of the very few non force sensitive races that could fight the jedi and win.
The Duchesses sister Bo Katan dishonoured her clan by refusing to acknowledge Maul was the new Mandalor under the rite of combat and the old ways are clear that Mandalorian isn't a race or species its a idea and you can't kill ideas.
Well you kinda can kill ideas, it's just absurdly difficult and not at all worth the effort.
Your hindsight made some of the decisions seem allot worse than they where.
I read the as "5 Morons Who Doomed their Planets" and with this channel I believed it. Didn't realize what it actually said until after excitedly clicking. A+
Bail Organa was never a monarch, he was just a consort who married the Queen of Alderan.
Speaking of Monarchs what happened to British Ben?
Thanks for the video
Be it monarchies or democracies, the problem of the government remains the same
Very small gripe, but the Corellian Corvette seen in RotS is actually the Tantive III. Very creative, I know.
You should do an episode on Jaster's legacy
Do you mean Jaster Mereel? Because if so, it would be interesting seeing his ideals of the Supercommando Codex influence many Mandalorians, as well as Jango and Boba (With Boba taking over the Supercommando Protectors and becoming Manda'lor).
Thanks for the 5 minutes social study lesson before getting into the video
6:53 that's actually Tanitive 3 or the Sundered Heart, depending on which timeline you are talking about
Great vid
Tarkin blew up Alderaan for shits and giggles.
Tenn Graneet actually was the one. Wilhuff ordered them including Tenn to fire.
@@happyears21694 the point is the destruction of Alderaan had nothing to do with Bale Organa.
Please play the contractors battlefront mod
they should all take over sytems and sell tea wait a minute
The king of Onderon was right. By your logic, the king of Sweden was the only good monarch in Europe during WW2 as all the others had their country attacked by the Nazi's.
sadly many current democracies are not based on merit but based on wealth
I really like the video he makes he does a really good job
Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please
I thought the Republic was similar to the European Union and NATO where sovereign planets in the Core had a simple union based on similar common law, trade, defense and regulation for navigation coordinates. It wasn’t until the Republic expanded out of the Core where planets lost more autonomy as more power was funneled to the central government.
We didn't include Queen Trayos? She messed up so hard, the REBELLION sanctioned her planet.
A monarchy is a good government type for the unstable, divided regions of the Galaxy-like Mandalore, Onderon and Calamari....
Hey, I've long enjoyed your videos, but I have a tricky question... How shielded was Alderaan when the DS1 obliterated it?
Star Trek has shown a wide range of planetary shielding, between the Planetary Shields from TOS's "Whom Gods Destroy", where the shields were well above the strength it would take to vaporized a planet's core (in that the Enterprise couldn't use less than planet busting firepower to pierce the shields sufficiently to use a transporter through them... and that firepower would cause planetary collapse faster than an away team could beam down on the opposite side of said planet from where the phasers pierced the planetary shields)
To in DS9, the Founder's World, where a sustained bombardment from 2 whole fleets couldn't take down the planetary shields in "The Die is Cast" before the Founder's fleet arrived to enact their trap. (DS9 era weapons included star and solar system consuming weapons/science project gone wrong of the week enough times, that this is an appropriate assumption for what the Cardassians and Romulans would load into their torpedos)
Now for my question... on a scale from off(0), to Planetary (Whom Gods Destroy), to Stellar (The Die is Cast), tier shielding... how powerful were the planetary shields on Alderaan when the Death Star 1 destroyed it without warning?
Star Wars makes it rather difficult to understand how powerful their shielding is, but always gives great spectacle once things start exploding
From what i know about the lore I think the DS was specifically built to overwhelm planetary shields. A world like Alderaan that was rich and had a history of conflict would’ve most certainly had a planetary shield of some sorr
@@GenerationTech hmm... so the DS1 is still somewhere around the Enterprise A's feats... but it is unclear how far above the Hoth planetary shields Alderaan would have had. Unless I can find some source saying the planetary shields for Alderaan could block their sun going supernova, DS9 era planetary shields are well above what can be confirmed in Episode IV
Long live the King.
Long Live the Monarchy.
Technically you can include Palpatine with Coruscant
"They have authority because of their position rather than elected to that position"
This means literally nothing considering elected rulers still hold power because of their position. The checks and balances are also _meaningless_ as transparency hasn't kept politicians from lining their own pockets while burning down the nations around them.
The Roman senate voted Caesar into power (admittedly at sword point) and after deposing him failed to return the republic
Weimar Germany practically crowed mustache man king in all but name
Denmark surrendered in less than eleven hours and collaborated more with the WW2 Germans more than any other nation
The French government during the interwar period was an absolute mess that would lead to their military high command failing horribly. Gaullist free France governed only Colonial territory.
The interim government of the short lived Russian federation (the one before the soviet union) despite electing to not give the Bolsheviks power failed to prevent the coup that would put them in power.
The Government of south Vietnam & the ARVN fell in a matter of hours to the NVA
The Democratic Government of Afghanistan didn't even attempt to contest the Taliban
Name a south, central American or sub-Saharan African nation. There's literally a region known as the coup belt. Hell south Africa went from one of the most prosperous nations to now having a political party running on a platform of G-wording their minority white population.
The Empire was born willingly out of the republic and when it fell the new republic failed to function before failing in turn.
Democracy is a sacred cow that's just as flawed as the rest. I could go into how many western democracies are currently going against the will of their own people but that's a political essay I don't have the time or will to pen.
Wish for more Avatar content soon.
ah yes, the dolphin people...
Tarkin didn't destroy alderan. It was a mining accident
Amidala was elected Queen.
The Royal family of Shu Torum. The father of Queen Trios.
All were good leaders,just misplaced in their leadership skills in varying places. Things that led to the downfall of themselves and their people.
Why didn't Palpatine wait till valurums term was over
@Peters6221 It's also possible that if he did wait out Valorum's term in office that Naboo would cave to the Trade Federations demands and the whole crisis he manufactured would be resolved and fall out of the senates interest before Elections began.
Monarchs "loved by their constituents".
By the literal definition they're subjects, not constituents...
I know that this isn’t about the video but who ships obi one and satins more then ankin and padma
I've always felt a bit annoyed with the thesis of this video... you have completely missed the point of monarchy
the point of monarchy is that if you have an individual whose social and political status is *always* higher than every other individual, so that they automatically win any political conflicts they enter into, that person can feel secure in their position and therefore becomes immune to a huge swath of the ordinary kinds of unproductive incentives that political actors have. nobody ever thinks kings are more competent. sometimes kings *are* more competent, and when they are they get called heroes, but your ordinary bog-standard royal was usually thought of as being rather boring
monarchs get to exist above factionalism and partisanship, because their status does not hang on any particular outcome. this is really freakin important, especially if your civilization hasn't invented political science yet and you simply don't have enough institutional capacity to maintain a complicated government. the various factions and parties and tribes will fight amongst themselves, but the monarch always gets to stand above as referee, and each side is better off for it because without the referee it would devolve into open civil war and you'd get conquered by an outside power.
the only kind of political situation the monarch must fear is a movement which challenges the monarch's legitimacy. Even if everyone involved is in full agreement that the monarch is of infinite status, questions over *which individual is the monarch* rear their ugly head like clockwork nearly every single succession, and once the idea of republicanism reentered the world with the french revolution, the idea of unanimous support of a monarch's legitimacy became absurd, and now the whole idea is completely untenable
but it *used* to serve a very important purpose. And even today, in some places! I think people underestimate the intelligence of the late Queen of England. She successfully found a way to genuinely act as a referee, and be treated as such, while remaining convincingly uninvolved in the actual political conflict she was refereeing. I think she showed that even politically powerless monarchs can still retain a kind of 'authority' status, not by serving as a head of state but by serving as the ultra-respected wise old woman who nobody wants to fight in front of. It would have all fallen apart in an instant if she had ever endorsed a party in an election, and she recognized that, and found a way to genuinely contribute nonetheless.
this is ordinarily the kind of information i expect you to know, and convey way more succinctly than i can, and i was just a little disappointed that the first few minutes of this video are just "yeah monarchy didn't work as well as democracy because sometimes the monarch is a crazy sith lord, anyway starwars had a lot of good monarchs surprisingly! let's examine them"
Both Senator Padme and Ja Ja Binks had vuturally no experience with nuances and procedures of Republic Senate. Both were being manipulated by Darth Sidious whom they didn't realize has own ambitions for power.
Ok so just because Satine isn't corrupt doesn't give her slack as far as competence or correctness. My take is that her politics pretty much marginalized all the clan leaderships so even though she had beaten Death Watch and enforced pacifism, it was on a very thin pillar of support. Because of this, the ranks of her administration were flooded by corrupt opportunists who else would play along with her radical political views? She tried changing the Mandalorian culture by fiat and it came right back and killed her. Maybe if she didn't upend things so dramatically and built a governing federation of the moderate clans, she could have arrested the Mandalorian cycle of violence while also having a stronger leg to stand on. She kept all her resources at home by not getting involved in war, and she STILL ended up losing to a coup so clearly her centralized authority was tenuous at best. Having other clans friendly to her might have saved everything. Also, the GAR was really interested in mandalorian warriors, so she missed a huge opportunity to gain influence for the poor planet instead of remaining friend to none.
The thing about monarchs is that they are not about innovation or ideology, they are about stability and continuity. You have to put asidr personal preferences and act in the name of the planet itself. I think she joins Ned Stark as cautionary tales of leaders who got too stuck in their good intentions.
Emperor Palpatin. He doomed many planets.
Love your videos. I think you mis-spoke when you called a monarchs people's, "constituents". I believe a more accurate term would be "subjects" as they don't actually vote in a monarch. Anywho, back to your normal programming. lol
On God it's Dak bro, Mon-Cala is a Calamari supremacist term. Quarren representation.
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@@GenerationTech you know I'm right Allen!
My man talking like he is eating something when their is nothing inside his mouth.
Wow-Alderaan’s destruction is Baal Organa’s fault… that’s a new one… I can’t disagree more.
Queen Trios of Shu-Torun
Too bad satine wanted to move away from Mandalorian war-like society but her military and defense was weakened significantly.
Wait, what? Monarchy is a poor system of government?
You don't say...
Too real. Cause this is Earth and every president or leader of any industrialized nation.
Mandalore is the Krieg of Star Wars
Kryze (pronounced Kreez). Alan, I beg you to listen to some of the audiobooks (specifically for name pronunciations) or watch Clone Wars. You have a blind spot with some of the pronunciations.
Mambo #5?
naga sadow definitely