We are updating the component list to include the rotary fittings for new Power Color Radeon RX 7900 XTX - thanks for letting us know! The Conqueror usually comes with a standard EK-Quantum Vector² GPU water-block that aligns perfectly with the bottom port, which is why the rotary fitting wasn't included in the BOM for the RX 7900 XTX configurable option, luckily this was only added as a configurable GPU at the start of the month so will be amended before any of these GPUs are shipped to customers. Thanks for the fantastic review, we're eager to get some tools out, get it fixed and up to the standard EK fans expect. 🛠 EK Team
This is excellent. Immediate feedback and correction of an issue. Looking at you ASUS. And the fan direction on the bottom is a design choice, not an error. So they don't need to fix that. If it bothers a customer enough, those fans would be easy enough to reverse. From a visual design point of view, it was the correct decision. Granted, if I was building it, I would have put the fans on the bottom and had the RGB down firing under the case for a sweet under lighting effect. But, I also would have put an intake rad on as well. Even if it had to be a skinny one. More cooling is always more better.
"What I love is that it's ROG certified, which means it's guaranteed.....to probably break." God damn, not wasting any time in getting into shots fired territory since breaking away from ASUS!
What I've learned over time is that its more often than not just a SMALL sector that companies get a reputation often for not having a QA department in and its rarely going to bleed into ALL the QA. Like AMD for instance their CPU's are consistent and clean and relatively little hassle, but then you look at the AMD GPU's and the drivers and you end up with needless headaches cause someone didn't make the drivers stable.
TDLR: My point is that often times issues with PC's part engineering is more often than not oversight and its not necessarily the QA's fault so much as managements failure to institute a solid QA process and testing. I learned this after QA'ing one of 2020 to 2021's largest BR games that QA work really depends on the management and devs/engineers. As ultimately QA just check to make sure things work right they aren't actually the ones to blame when 💩hits the "fan/consumer."
Those tubes not being lined up would drive me absolutely nuts. For the cost of a system like that it is disappointing that they skipped over that detail. As you said, they even make the part that could have fixed it.
RIGHT?! Lmao. It's just sad. I'd have to contact their support and ask them to send me the offset fittings for free since they couldn't put them in and I bought the system, lmao.
8:21 I have to say… if I were EK knowing that I was sending a rigid tube build to Jays2Cents, especially knowing it was gonna be featured and reviewed for RUclips content… I would have made damn sure that everything. Was perfectly parallel and super satisfying.
The more _high integrity play_ is for Jay (or either steve for that matter) to order these anonymously, explicitly to avoid the company making any concerted effort to make themselves look good, at the expense of a normal user ordering it and the build arriving like hot garbage... Like almost every prebuilt from the big three in particular. 🔥
@@dembro27 but if they own the company why not just either make them, or take some spare swivel bits and send them out to be chromed. OR, when planning out the build and positioning the return tube from the GPU and seeing that “oh, straight it’ll be between those fittings.” They might realize that chromed swivel fittings might be wanted by customers and begin work to have a supply of them. But, this is exactly what I’m saying, if I were the company sending a system to Jay, knowing that it was gonna be featured, I wouldn’t want to leave any room for “Oh, that’s one gripe I have!” These kind of things show that at least someone in the company either didn’t notice how the tubes weren’t parallel or they did and said, “ahh screw it, close enough.” Which isn’t ensuring the best quality possible.
Yeh the reason it's so bad for giving reviewers stuff when you know it's going up is it makes everybody ask "well, if that was the best they got and their most careful presentation and attention to detail, then what is little ol' me gonna get." I've seen so many prebuilts fail because the SI made some stupid mistake(s) See also: Dawid and GN
I just looked up that build, for an almost $7k computer build, they definitely have some more stream lining and optimization to do for that price point.
7 grand for a custom jeez they must be thinking it worth that much I don't see the point of spending 7 grand just to have a latest and greatest sure rtx 5090 is coming according to some sources
@@chieftron I think it a waste having to spend 7 grand on that custom pc then spend another 2 grand or more for the rtx 5090 then upgrade the power supply to meet the requirement
Living in South Africa, getting anything EK related is a pure pipe-dream. I do - however - appreciate your content Jay. Even if most of the product only serves as wishful thinking.
Those shots when Jay's filling the system were amazing! Jays reviews are always a good watch as he isn't shy about giving a 100% honest opinion which I as a consumer find important and for EK to accept his feedback and revise on it is even better...
Absolutely terrible. I got same case with different distro, the 2 CPU pipes differ by 2-3 mm, but I can see it. Triggers me so much that I’ll redo them 😂😂
Can't believe I didn't find a single comment about that cinematography filling the system. That shit was on point man! The music, the sweeping camera ooooooh dear god that was beautiful! Someone needs a raise jay, you're not paying them enough 🤣 I honestly don't think that could have been shot any better if you guys tried!
THIS!! That was some serious awesome editing right there. Holy smokes. Yup, he either needs a raise or a great big hug for his efforts. Also, for 7k it should have been perfect. Messing up that driver is a major issue that needs to be corrected before to many people get these. So I don't think your out of a job yet Jay : )
Once you got the Mystic Fog in there, I was thinking this looks like something from Blade Runner, since there seems to be fog everywhere in that movie.
It kinda makes sense when I thought about it with the fan setup. You have 3 intake fans that are less restricted providing air to the 6 exhaust fans that have a higher restriction due to the rad so they are probably very close to equal in regards to positive pressure. Definitely hope you do a follow up smoke test though!
What makes this build as nice as it is is the very nice (and expensive!) _components_ chosen for everything, that not only perform and look great, but also make the building as simple as only possible. Notice that none of the tubing even needs any bending at all. Keeping that triviality of building (at the expense) in mind, the building itself is just your regular standard half-assed terrible job for an egregious markup: given how few actual choices could be made any differently during this build almost every choice was made incorrectly, and folks are saying here the system goes for $7k having components definitely under $4k total. Shout out to packaging people. Packaging was nice.
I built a gaming pc this past saturday solely because of your content. I’m a miniature painter/builder and in general love working with stuff. You, phil and Nick are all well respected in this house.
16:31 This is why I absolutely LOVE the new Phanteks D30-120 fans. You can buy them in a reversed setup so no fan grilles are visible, and they're absurdly strong and quiet fans to boot. I installed 13 of them in my O11-D XL and it is CLEAN. *chef kiss*
Glad to see you back in your videos. Love the review and the feedback. We tried the offset fittings and they just didn't fit side by side in the distro and they didn't look good on the GPU side. That model is actually not for sale yet, luckily.
Offset the top two? Rather have them all on a slight angle, but parallel. Maybe get custom "S" shaped tubes .. and let the end of the bottom one just diverge a little more where it attaches on the right? Spitballing here.
@@THE-X-Force I like your mindset here, but surprisngly we have a limited supply of parts at times, considering EK sends us parts from Slovenia to us in Texas (EKFG), which can take usually several months to show up. So what we had either didn't look go to those who made decisions or just didn't fit at all. But again, luckily this is a model that's not yet sold on the website so all ideas have room to make an effect on the end result.
Yes, I heard Jay say that over and over but I have a sincere question. Does Jay build PCs for the general public? If so, where? It's not on his website, he doesn't offer any product/service links to anything of the kind. All I can find is "merch" (that's always sold out). I was under the impression that Jay is a reviewer/content creator. How is a company releasing products for Jay to review putting him out of business? Am I missing something?
@@jjann54321 Water cooled builds are a distinct part of the content he is known for; perhaps THE distinct part. It is distinct BECAUSE of the How To DIY as much as anything. If you can buy something that rivals that w/o the hassle at a makes it worthwhile price? It is a dent in that; however minor. It is how you title a video and it isn't click-bait, but draws you to click all the same. All a part of getting those views without being too much of a dick about it.
Good point about the fans blowing out hot air at you, that can be a factor. My apartment building was an old Creamery building, and my apartment was part of a walk in cooler. Even in the wintertime in Minnesota, my PC can almost heat my apartment all by itself. The 2-foot thick walls do help with this as well.
Between the incorrect Ryzen master being installed, the tubes not being parallel, the weird choice of going with a negative pressure system, and all the other things Jay mentioned, there is absolutely 0 chance in hell I'd be paying $7000 for a pc like this.
I've got 2 x O11 XL rigid tube builds using more traditional Singularity D150 Pump/Res combos with 3 x 360 radiators (with the top and bottom radiators being cross-flow). As Jay said he wished EK went with, I have the bottom fans as intake as well as the side with the top running exhaust. Both builds use a Phanteks D120 distro plate in the rear and I spent a lot of time and effort to ensure that the tubes in these builds were as perfect as I could achieve. There would be no world where I'd be comfortable with the state of those GPU tubes that shipped in that EK build even if the case was out of sight under a desk. Also, I don't run any solid (or semi-solid) fluids instead running clear EK Cryofuel and Corsair's XL Satin (PMMA) tubing that interacts nicely with the RGB.
Jaye, EK put the fans that way so you are pushing hot air out of the case, it makes a big dramatic difference to the rest of the parts in the case that are not water cooled. I have 3 Noctua fans pulling air in and 6 pushing air out through rads and the temps are much lower on my SSD/RAM/MB than they were in my previous build that pulled air in through the rads. For the most part the three fans flow as much air as the six fans on rads. Jay, you should try it before you bash it. If you are pulling air in through the bottom rad and then passing that heated air through the top rad it will negate some of the benefit of having two rads. The better option is to flip all the fans and pull nice and cold filtered air from the bottom and top and using the waste heat to warm your components to nice and toasty temps, this is going to demp on how high you run the fans but if you go for silence the air coming out of the rads can easily be over a 100. If you have a work of art sitting on a desk the desk should be large enough to not be on top of the work of art, otherwise you need to buy a desk before you buy the work of art. Don't put a Lian Li 011 case on the floor!
I'm not sure how other people would feel, but I'd like to see a few videos of them working one mid tier system. From building it, to setting it up, to tweaking the components to get the most performance possible, to then maybe talking about alternate ways to get more performance.
The tweaking steps are the same as a high end system. And his watercooling videos mostly cater to custom loops but he does review AIO custom loops and AIO cpu specific coolers. The watercooling portion of his videos are expensive either way. Alpha cool and bykski are cheaper alternatives to premiums like EK and Corsair (Corsair is iffy in the watercooling world anyway).
This is similar to what I'm doing with my O11D-XL build, except I'm using a FLT 120 res/pump combo instead of the distro plate so that I can fit 3 crossflow 360 rads, and a 3090 cooled by the Vector² RE ABP set paired with a 5800X3D on a Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi cooled by the Momentum² Crosshair VIII Extreme Monoblock. I'm also using soft tubes with 4 quick disconnect sets, between the pump/res and GPU, between the GPU and CPU, the CPU and top rad, and the bottom rad and the pump/res.
I really appreciate that pre-built systems like these are made. Even though I personally prefer to build it myself. Especially with those slightly off tubes. That said, If I were given a computer like this, I wouldn't turn it down :p
What's great about these Lian li o11xl cases and O11D XL cases is they are now being sold with the distro plates on the right side of the motherboard or for the bigger cases they sell the distro plate on the front of the case. Plus some motherboards are selling cooling blocks for their vram and cpus. I've seen these set ups for the EK's & MSI boards and the Bitspower for the vram only on the ROG Rampage IV Extreme board. Needless to say I think these boards will be more common practice as most that want to watercool their system just simply don't know what all to buy waterblock wise, fittings, reservoir, rad, and pump wise to go with. But making these distro plates with pumps installed helps. Finding a motherboard that already has the vram and cpu waterblock built in also helps, so now you're down to fittings, tubing, rads, and fans which before you know it kits of actual good fittings, rads, and tubing will come as bundles. Although since your bitspower vs barrow video I've swapped all my gold bitspower (except the true brass reservoirs) for barrow fittings. Plus I just got my new favorite motherboard Asus ROG Maximus XIII Extreme Glacial even though it only holds up to 11th gen intel cpus I'm okay with that because it looks great in my Lian Li O11Evo XL . Also the GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS Xtreme WATERFORCE mobo fully cools everything from the ram to the left and from the 1st PCIE 4.0 UP. I guess Asus and GIGABYTE had the same idea and there's not much of a difference other than the looks.
Its hilarous for me, that guy who builds customs for that many years don't know, that negative pressure is actually good. They can even put side radiator as out. In that configuration, with those rads you can run them daily on 800RPM and everything will be cool. making any intake will put a lot of dust into your system, cleaning rads in that situation sucks. Just look how guys from Extreme Hardware do their builds.
I noticed the off-angle tubing before Jay even said anything about it, lmao. That would drive me nucking futs, especially for the price of this PC build.
Pretty cool build. I think EK should make a fill plug like the plastic cap and then make an EK socket that fits in the logo on the plug. Kinda like a wheel lock for your car. 🤔
Being a mechanic and spending most of my time looking for there locking wheel nut key including dumpster diving through there car to try to find it I can almost guarantee most people are going to lose it and not be able to maintain their system without having to buy another key
18:53 Even if you don't/can't build a custom loop PC, you still have to commit to maintaining a custom loop. You can't just set it up, and forget. I think you'd be better off building a custom loop your self, so you'll know how everything is put together. That way when you ENVIABLY have to disassemble the rig for maintenance you'll already have the experience on how to maintain it when you first built it.
I wonder if the bottom positive pressure (blowing from the inside out) is to prevent dust intrusion from the bottom. One thing I notice is that you get more dust and fuzz and dog hair and whatever closer to the floor. Pulling from the bottom is going pull more of that into the case and make it dirtier, Pushing out prevents that.
Thanks you for reviewing this pre-built!! I’ve been eyeing these for a few years now wanting to pull the trigger. For financial reasons I’ve never had the ability but it was so awesome to finally see a proper review on it!! Thanks jay!!
i wanna give props to whos making those montage parts with the music. It's very nice work, the music was a great touch as well. Those walk arounds really keep me watching!
I built a setup similar to this a couple years ago (5950x and 3090 Ti) and ran it the same way they have this set up. My house is old and not well insulated and gets pretty hot in Oklahoma summers and never had a problem. That computer has since been given to a friend who also has not had an issue with it.
This is very impressive! Thanks for showing this off Jay! Would be better if there were more bends rather than straight piping, I mean if we're paying for a Master Built at Factory system then I'd want to see some "impossible" hard tube bends, not just fittings-workarounds. I sure do luv the distro-plate builds!!
The whole point of EK's matrix 7 stuff is everything is in increments of 7mm. So from the CPU block itvs a 28mm extension to 90° and it lines up perfect to the distro. The GPU would have lined up too if not in vertical mount.
Before you removed the internal packing foam, I already noticed the tube is not horizontal. This tube is front and centre that is hard not to see it. Your grip is valid for this high end product. This off horizontal plane tube is even more noticeable after the tube has fluid in it and the RGB fans are on. Probably it won't be that noticeable if there are no other tubes nearby, but there are three more tubes adjacent, this off angle one is very disconcerting.
I wouldn't be able to stop myself from flipping those fans and ordering the offsets and getting the correct version of software on there and tuning the unholy hell out of it. Thanks, Jay!!
I purchased a prebuilt EK system at the start of the pandemic in a panic when my system died. I usually build my own but I didn't want to have to hunt for everything during a pandemic. I have to say it has been amazing. The water cooling is perfect. Their customer service is amazing and that LianLi case is such a pleasure to work in. DerBauer really designed it right. I see myself keeping it a very long time for future builds. It's very sturdy.
i had a vanquish 295 from the last year, it had to be fixed 3 times. the end result was they had no more 3090's so they gave me a refund.. this year i bought the conqueror 4090 and the black listed me for giving me a refund... avoid at all cost
I just bought the AMD 7950x3D with the nvidia 4090 side mount. Only addition i did was 64G 6000mhz DDR5 instead of 32. 595 conqueror set up on their page. Love it !!! Only thing id like reviewed is more options when customizing build. Very limited
My PC has the cooler on the bottom, I extended the “legs” of the case, leaving a 3” gap between the surface and the case. Air exhaust improved and GPU cooled more.
The way they set up the fans on the bottom red. The reason why they did it was because their whole intentiality is actually cold air being brought up from underneath. They were looking at it from a mechanic perspective where heat rises. Colder comes down so they were thinking of cold, airs the lowest point then pull from the cold air.
I use the Mystic Fog in both my builds. One build is a daily and has never had fallout, the other only gets run 1 time a month or so and has severe fallout that dose not pickup even if I run the build laid over 90° with D5 at full speed. As for the offset fittings I use lots of them in both my builds. The offsets make it so much easier to align the tubing in both directions.
I always go with down fire rather than sucking dust off of the floor , but my pc is on a riser with a hole cut in the stand to reduce restriction. At least 15 cm off the floor.
X (radiator) for the large ones. Also, anyone who ever used any o11 case knows that should be bottom and side intake and top/rear exhaust. Very, very, little exceptions.
64GB should become the norm for mid-high-end systems. I use 64GB, 128GB, and 512GB in my main three systems. I'm not a water-cool guy but it looks not bad, except the off-angle pipe.
Looks good. I have the same case and setup in white but I'm kind of over big cases. I really wish we could get a mini-ITX motherboard with 10Gbe and Thunderbolt so I can make a mini-ITX loop.
those ek prebuilts do seem pretty legit. if i didnt want to go thru efford of a build id probably buy from them. the fact they use lian li cases another bonus
those caps come standard on the new distro plates. also it seems you can avoid so many annoying issues by just avoiding AMD. there's always some different version and a workaround that has to be employed to make amd work SOMEWHERE.
I enjoy you content and giving us the truth of what's out there. Building a gaming pc is soooo out of my wheelhouse of knowledge and I've been looking to update what I have but paying 7k for something that still needs work I guess a new pc is not in my future.
I've been using Mystic Fog in my build for about 3 years now and dont have an issue. 3 years without maintenance before needing to drain it because I was upgrading my rig, and my waterblocks are as clean as when they were new. Its great stuff.
The graphics card should have an ek block not a red devil card which not only fix the lighting issue but aesthetically looks way better. Heck selecting an ek block will probably fix the pipe issue.
I'm excited. In the process of building my second computer. It will be the first time water cooling and painting a pc. But I think it will look so cool when it's done.
The downfire fans in the bottom will have an issue of blowing out hot air that will come out on the backside which will rise and then pulled back in creating a hot air loop.
When i started my pc gaming during the pandemic. I wanted all the rgb then i eventuality realized performance and cooling mattered way more. Then i watercooled my whole loop with hard tubing. After maintenance for a few times I realized soft tubing with quick connects would be so much easier and i can upgrade faster and next time i would get a mora420 with a smaller case.
We are updating the component list to include the rotary fittings for new Power Color Radeon RX 7900 XTX - thanks for letting us know! The Conqueror usually comes with a standard EK-Quantum Vector² GPU water-block that aligns perfectly with the bottom port, which is why the rotary fitting wasn't included in the BOM for the RX 7900 XTX configurable option, luckily this was only added as a configurable GPU at the start of the month so will be amended before any of these GPUs are shipped to customers. Thanks for the fantastic review, we're eager to get some tools out, get it fixed and up to the standard EK fans expect. 🛠
EK Team
Nice to see a company pay attention to feedback and take action.
And any thoughts on the bottom rad exhaust vs pull?
This is excellent. Immediate feedback and correction of an issue. Looking at you ASUS. And the fan direction on the bottom is a design choice, not an error. So they don't need to fix that. If it bothers a customer enough, those fans would be easy enough to reverse. From a visual design point of view, it was the correct decision. Granted, if I was building it, I would have put the fans on the bottom and had the RGB down firing under the case for a sweet under lighting effect. But, I also would have put an intake rad on as well. Even if it had to be a skinny one. More cooling is always more better.
@@meeponinthbit3466except the feedback that 200$ for a pump is 5x too much
Will the conqueror with 7900xtx liquid devil be avalibe again? I dont see it on your site.
"What I love is that it's ROG certified, which means it's guaranteed.....to probably break." God damn, not wasting any time in getting into shots fired territory since breaking away from ASUS!
What I've learned over time is that its more often than not just a SMALL sector that companies get a reputation often for not having a QA department in and its rarely going to bleed into ALL the QA. Like AMD for instance their CPU's are consistent and clean and relatively little hassle, but then you look at the AMD GPU's and the drivers and you end up with needless headaches cause someone didn't make the drivers stable.
TDLR: My point is that often times issues with PC's part engineering is more often than not oversight and its not necessarily the QA's fault so much as managements failure to institute a solid QA process and testing. I learned this after QA'ing one of 2020 to 2021's largest BR games that QA work really depends on the management and devs/engineers. As ultimately QA just check to make sure things work right they aren't actually the ones to blame when 💩hits the "fan/consumer."
Not even iFixit can fix this burn, or ASUS' PR nightmare situation.
It is well warranted
fun fact Asus is 400 billion + all the others are about 100 to 200 billion company Asus has a major advantage and hopefully it changes soon
Those tubes not being lined up would drive me absolutely nuts. For the cost of a system like that it is disappointing that they skipped over that detail. As you said, they even make the part that could have fixed it.
Was gonna make the same comment and I've seen so many pc builders do a custom pc with non parallel tubing
Drives me crazy, I would literally return it
RIGHT?! Lmao. It's just sad. I'd have to contact their support and ask them to send me the offset fittings for free since they couldn't put them in and I bought the system, lmao.
This
i pointed that out on a facebook ad about a month ago. they still didn't fix
that tube being 2 degrees off dove me insane immediately
It needed an offset adapter. .
My eye started twitching looking at it
8:21 I have to say… if I were EK knowing that I was sending a rigid tube build to Jays2Cents, especially knowing it was gonna be featured and reviewed for RUclips content… I would have made damn sure that everything. Was perfectly parallel and super satisfying.
The more _high integrity play_ is for Jay (or either steve for that matter) to order these anonymously, explicitly to avoid the company making any concerted effort to make themselves look good, at the expense of a normal user ordering it and the build arriving like hot garbage... Like almost every prebuilt from the big three in particular. 🔥
I'm assuming they don't have a chrome swivel fitting, but if they do, they should've used it!
@@dembro27 but if they own the company why not just either make them, or take some spare swivel bits and send them out to be chromed. OR, when planning out the build and positioning the return tube from the GPU and seeing that “oh, straight it’ll be between those fittings.” They might realize that chromed swivel fittings might be wanted by customers and begin work to have a supply of them.
But, this is exactly what I’m saying, if I were the company sending a system to Jay, knowing that it was gonna be featured, I wouldn’t want to leave any room for “Oh, that’s one gripe I have!” These kind of things show that at least someone in the company either didn’t notice how the tubes weren’t parallel or they did and said, “ahh screw it, close enough.” Which isn’t ensuring the best quality possible.
Yeh the reason it's so bad for giving reviewers stuff when you know it's going up is it makes everybody ask "well, if that was the best they got and their most careful presentation and attention to detail, then what is little ol' me gonna get." I've seen so many prebuilts fail because the SI made some stupid mistake(s) See also: Dawid and GN
@@pandemicneetbux2110 EXACTLY!
I just looked up that build, for an almost $7k computer build, they definitely have some more stream lining and optimization to do for that price point.
7 grand for a custom jeez they must be thinking it worth that much I don't see the point of spending 7 grand just to have a latest and greatest sure rtx 5090 is coming according to some sources
@@neddy1287 RTX 5090 will release next fall.
@@chieftron I think it a waste having to spend 7 grand on that custom pc then spend another 2 grand or more for the rtx 5090 then upgrade the power supply to meet the requirement
Tell Apple that, their basic Mac Pro starts at 7K.
if im paying 7k i want the best. So the fact it doesnt even have a 4090 in it is a big deal breaker.
Living in South Africa, getting anything EK related is a pure pipe-dream. I do - however - appreciate your content Jay. Even if most of the product only serves as wishful thinking.
That cinematic shot that started at 11:52 was Awesome!! The music was on point too! I watched it twice. lmao. (not joking)
Those shots when Jay's filling the system were amazing! Jays reviews are always a good watch as he isn't shy about giving a 100% honest opinion which I as a consumer find important and for EK to accept his feedback and revise on it is even better...
It's amusing seeing this recommended to me after the EK fallout videos from you and gamers nexus.
Those angles water lines would drive me nuts. I’d have to fix them before filling it.
Absolutely terrible. I got same case with different distro, the 2 CPU pipes differ by 2-3 mm, but I can see it. Triggers me so much that I’ll redo them 😂😂
Jay at 3:47 : "Nobody got time to RTFM"
Jay at 11:17 : "HOW DOES THIS WORK?!"
Can't believe I didn't find a single comment about that cinematography filling the system. That shit was on point man! The music, the sweeping camera ooooooh dear god that was beautiful! Someone needs a raise jay, you're not paying them enough 🤣 I honestly don't think that could have been shot any better if you guys tried!
THIS!! That was some serious awesome editing right there. Holy smokes. Yup, he either needs a raise or a great big hug for his efforts. Also, for 7k it should have been perfect. Messing up that driver is a major issue that needs to be corrected before to many people get these. So I don't think your out of a job yet Jay : )
@@handyman1957 *you're
Another seriously quality Phil edit!
It was, wasn't it?!
The whole reason I came to the comments, excellent music choice. Hardcore Tron vibes. Loved it!!
Once you got the Mystic Fog in there, I was thinking this looks like something from Blade Runner, since there seems to be fog everywhere in that movie.
It kinda makes sense when I thought about it with the fan setup. You have 3 intake fans that are less restricted providing air to the 6 exhaust fans that have a higher restriction due to the rad so they are probably very close to equal in regards to positive pressure.
Definitely hope you do a follow up smoke test though!
What makes this build as nice as it is is the very nice (and expensive!) _components_ chosen for everything, that not only perform and look great, but also make the building as simple as only possible. Notice that none of the tubing even needs any bending at all.
Keeping that triviality of building (at the expense) in mind, the building itself is just your regular standard half-assed terrible job for an egregious markup: given how few actual choices could be made any differently during this build almost every choice was made incorrectly, and folks are saying here the system goes for $7k having components definitely under $4k total.
Shout out to packaging people. Packaging was nice.
Kudos to the editor, probably Phil, for making filling up a loop so badass and awesome jams!
100% I meant to mention that! It was a really great edit, and made the fill the most enjoyable part of an already really good video!
I use normal coolent. The same bright green juice I use in my car.. It looks really good all lit up bright green. Temperature stays just fine.
I built a gaming pc this past saturday solely because of your content. I’m a miniature painter/builder and in general love working with stuff. You, phil and Nick are all well respected in this house.
Congrats. What did you build? How do you like it? What did it cost and do you feel like it was worth it? This your first build?
16:31 This is why I absolutely LOVE the new Phanteks D30-120 fans. You can buy them in a reversed setup so no fan grilles are visible, and they're absurdly strong and quiet fans to boot. I installed 13 of them in my O11-D XL and it is CLEAN. *chef kiss*
Glad to see you back in your videos. Love the review and the feedback.
We tried the offset fittings and they just didn't fit side by side in the distro and they didn't look good on the GPU side.
That model is actually not for sale yet, luckily.
Offset the top two? Rather have them all on a slight angle, but parallel. Maybe get custom "S" shaped tubes .. and let the end of the bottom one just diverge a little more where it attaches on the right? Spitballing here.
@@THE-X-Force I like your mindset here, but surprisngly we have a limited supply of parts at times, considering EK sends us parts from Slovenia to us in Texas (EKFG), which can take usually several months to show up. So what we had either didn't look go to those who made decisions or just didn't fit at all. But again, luckily this is a model that's not yet sold on the website so all ideas have room to make an effect on the end result.
@@BranZHamZ Cool .. if you use my idea(s) .. then one free unit is acceptable as compensation .. lol! ☮
Jay, Slide an unused thin razor blade under the rog sticker on the glass and a little alcohol cleans any of the residue right off.
No matter what, no one can put Jay out of a job. They can never provide me that 'twocents' quality i get when watching. Keep up the great work.
amen to that yo
Yes, I heard Jay say that over and over but I have a sincere question. Does Jay build PCs for the general public? If so, where? It's not on his website, he doesn't offer any product/service links to anything of the kind. All I can find is "merch" (that's always sold out). I was under the impression that Jay is a reviewer/content creator. How is a company releasing products for Jay to review putting him out of business? Am I missing something?
@@jjann54321 Water cooled builds are a distinct part of the content he is known for; perhaps THE distinct part. It is distinct BECAUSE of the How To DIY as much as anything. If you can buy something that rivals that w/o the hassle at a makes it worthwhile price? It is a dent in that; however minor. It is how you title a video and it isn't click-bait, but draws you to click all the same. All a part of getting those views without being too much of a dick about it.
Good point about the fans blowing out hot air at you, that can be a factor. My apartment building was an old Creamery building, and my apartment was part of a walk in cooler. Even in the wintertime in Minnesota, my PC can almost heat my apartment all by itself. The 2-foot thick walls do help with this as well.
Between the incorrect Ryzen master being installed, the tubes not being parallel, the weird choice of going with a negative pressure system, and all the other things Jay mentioned, there is absolutely 0 chance in hell I'd be paying $7000 for a pc like this.
Have you spent $7000 on a PC? Not many would.
16:00 thats why my pc is across the room from me, so im only getting warm from myself, quite handy here while summer temps are hitting the 90's
You might find that the 7mm offset will hit the the plug below, which is why it was not fitted by ek and the gpu pipes are at an angle
They made their distroplate, soo to have a poor design on that front is sad especially for a 400 dollar distroplate
I've got 2 x O11 XL rigid tube builds using more traditional Singularity D150 Pump/Res combos with 3 x 360 radiators (with the top and bottom radiators being cross-flow). As Jay said he wished EK went with, I have the bottom fans as intake as well as the side with the top running exhaust. Both builds use a Phanteks D120 distro plate in the rear and I spent a lot of time and effort to ensure that the tubes in these builds were as perfect as I could achieve. There would be no world where I'd be comfortable with the state of those GPU tubes that shipped in that EK build even if the case was out of sight under a desk. Also, I don't run any solid (or semi-solid) fluids instead running clear EK Cryofuel and Corsair's XL Satin (PMMA) tubing that interacts nicely with the RGB.
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Jaye, EK put the fans that way so you are pushing hot air out of the case, it makes a big dramatic difference to the rest of the parts in the case that are not water cooled. I have 3 Noctua fans pulling air in and 6 pushing air out through rads and the temps are much lower on my SSD/RAM/MB than they were in my previous build that pulled air in through the rads.
For the most part the three fans flow as much air as the six fans on rads.
Jay, you should try it before you bash it. If you are pulling air in through the bottom rad and then passing that heated air through the top rad it will negate some of the benefit of having two rads. The better option is to flip all the fans and pull nice and cold filtered air from the bottom and top and using the waste heat to warm your components to nice and toasty temps, this is going to demp on how high you run the fans but if you go for silence the air coming out of the rads can easily be over a 100.
If you have a work of art sitting on a desk the desk should be large enough to not be on top of the work of art, otherwise you need to buy a desk before you buy the work of art. Don't put a Lian Li 011 case on the floor!
Exactly. We have proof that it is a much better idea to run the rads as exhaust. The difference can be up to almost 20 degrees.
Yes, I never understood people who wanted to blow hot air from their rad inside their computers 🤦♂
I'm not sure how other people would feel, but I'd like to see a few videos of them working one mid tier system. From building it, to setting it up, to tweaking the components to get the most performance possible, to then maybe talking about alternate ways to get more performance.
The tweaking steps are the same as a high end system. And his watercooling videos mostly cater to custom loops but he does review AIO custom loops and AIO cpu specific coolers. The watercooling portion of his videos are expensive either way. Alpha cool and bykski are cheaper alternatives to premiums like EK and Corsair (Corsair is iffy in the watercooling world anyway).
This is similar to what I'm doing with my O11D-XL build, except I'm using a FLT 120 res/pump combo instead of the distro plate so that I can fit 3 crossflow 360 rads, and a 3090 cooled by the Vector² RE ABP set paired with a 5800X3D on a Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi cooled by the Momentum² Crosshair VIII Extreme Monoblock. I'm also using soft tubes with 4 quick disconnect sets, between the pump/res and GPU, between the GPU and CPU, the CPU and top rad, and the bottom rad and the pump/res.
The interruptions from ifixit will never get old. Love them.
SWEEEET the shots and music beginning at 12 made the whole video and product kind of awesome
I really appreciate that pre-built systems like these are made. Even though I personally prefer to build it myself. Especially with those slightly off tubes.
That said, If I were given a computer like this, I wouldn't turn it down :p
You'd have to fix the tubes though!
What's great about these Lian li o11xl cases and O11D XL cases is they are now being sold with the distro plates on the right side of the motherboard or for the bigger cases they sell the distro plate on the front of the case. Plus some motherboards are selling cooling blocks for their vram and cpus. I've seen these set ups for the EK's & MSI boards and the Bitspower for the vram only on the ROG Rampage IV Extreme board. Needless to say I think these boards will be more common practice as most that want to watercool their system just simply don't know what all to buy waterblock wise, fittings, reservoir, rad, and pump wise to go with. But making these distro plates with pumps installed helps. Finding a motherboard that already has the vram and cpu waterblock built in also helps, so now you're down to fittings, tubing, rads, and fans which before you know it kits of actual good fittings, rads, and tubing will come as bundles. Although since your bitspower vs barrow video I've swapped all my gold bitspower (except the true brass reservoirs) for barrow fittings. Plus I just got my new favorite motherboard Asus ROG Maximus XIII Extreme Glacial even though it only holds up to 11th gen intel cpus I'm okay with that because it looks great in my Lian Li O11Evo XL . Also the GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS Xtreme WATERFORCE mobo fully cools everything from the ram to the left and from the 1st PCIE 4.0 UP. I guess Asus and GIGABYTE had the same idea and there's not much of a difference other than the looks.
You'll always have a job in my heart, Jay.
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I'm interested in what the difference is if you flipped the fans on the bottom rad, and on the rear intake made to exhaust?
Its hilarous for me, that guy who builds customs for that many years don't know, that negative pressure is actually good. They can even put side radiator as out. In that configuration, with those rads you can run them daily on 800RPM and everything will be cool. making any intake will put a lot of dust into your system, cleaning rads in that situation sucks. Just look how guys from Extreme Hardware do their builds.
Nobody builds nicer liquid cooling builds than Jay
it just takes time or get abandoned.
GGF Events would like to have a word...
I noticed the off-angle tubing before Jay even said anything about it, lmao. That would drive me nucking futs, especially for the price of this PC build.
Pretty cool build. I think EK should make a fill plug like the plastic cap and then make an EK socket that fits in the logo on the plug. Kinda like a wheel lock for your car. 🤔
Being a mechanic and spending most of my time looking for there locking wheel nut key including dumpster diving through there car to try to find it I can almost guarantee most people are going to lose it and not be able to maintain their system without having to buy another key
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18:53 Even if you don't/can't build a custom loop PC, you still have to commit to maintaining a custom loop. You can't just set it up, and forget. I think you'd be better off building a custom loop your self, so you'll know how everything is put together. That way when you ENVIABLY have to disassemble the rig for maintenance you'll already have the experience on how to maintain it when you first built it.
For airflow: cold intake, hot exhaust. What benefit we get pumping hot air inside case???
I wonder if the bottom positive pressure (blowing from the inside out) is to prevent dust intrusion from the bottom. One thing I notice is that you get more dust and fuzz and dog hair and whatever closer to the floor. Pulling from the bottom is going pull more of that into the case and make it dirtier, Pushing out prevents that.
Thanks you for reviewing this pre-built!! I’ve been eyeing these for a few years now wanting to pull the trigger. For financial reasons I’ve never had the ability but it was so awesome to finally see a proper review on it!! Thanks jay!!
i wanna give props to whos making those montage parts with the music. It's very nice work, the music was a great touch as well. Those walk arounds really keep me watching!
Love my EK Conquest!
you get the full guarantee , if it breaks in half you can keep both halffs!
I built a setup similar to this a couple years ago (5950x and 3090 Ti) and ran it the same way they have this set up. My house is old and not well insulated and gets pretty hot in Oklahoma summers and never had a problem. That computer has since been given to a friend who also has not had an issue with it.
For such a premium build from one of the top brands to have so many rookie mistakes is a bit concerning.
This is very impressive! Thanks for showing this off Jay!
Would be better if there were more bends rather than straight piping, I mean if we're paying for a Master Built at Factory system then I'd want to see some "impossible" hard tube bends, not just fittings-workarounds. I sure do luv the distro-plate builds!!
The whole point of EK's matrix 7 stuff is everything is in increments of 7mm. So from the CPU block itvs a 28mm extension to 90° and it lines up perfect to the distro. The GPU would have lined up too if not in vertical mount.
Can we all just take a minute to appreciate the ABSOLUTELY SICK '80s SYNTH TRACK accompanying the montage? Hot damn, Phil. Top shelf.
That was the best iFixit commercial FYI
Before you removed the internal packing foam, I already noticed the tube is not horizontal. This tube is front and centre that is hard not to see it. Your grip is valid for this high end product. This off horizontal plane tube is even more noticeable after the tube has fluid in it and the RGB fans are on. Probably it won't be that noticeable if there are no other tubes nearby, but there are three more tubes adjacent, this off angle one is very disconcerting.
Love the B roll... SWEET! Jay had to point out the offset, now it's bugging the sh!t out of me!
Normal people don't have their PC on the desk, so the hot air blowing at you is a non issue.
I can see you are not a PC gamer or PCMR.
So true! ... love and care of a cement mixer!
ROG Certified, but it has an MSI motherboard and a PowerColor graphics card...? Not sure if that's subtle shade from EK or not. :)
I absolutely love my white 011 dynamic. Best case I've ever built in
Bottom Radiator Should be mounted to pull and top radiator should be mounted push pull with the side fans intakeing aswell.
I wouldn't be able to stop myself from flipping those fans and ordering the offsets and getting the correct version of software on there and tuning the unholy hell out of it.
Thanks, Jay!!
My thoughts exactly.
WOW, That would have saved me about $4K over the custom build I got from the land down under.
Gorgeous build & gripes on that premium of a build are absolutely warranted.
I have a LAN COOL II. I tried the bottom fans blowing up and then blowing down. The GPU likes to have the air sucked out from under it.
I have to agree with you on that one tube. It stands out even more once you filled it and have it running. I would not be happy with that.
I love Phil's editing and choice of music!!
I purchased a prebuilt EK system at the start of the pandemic in a panic when my system died. I usually build my own but I didn't want to have to hunt for everything during a pandemic. I have to say it has been amazing. The water cooling is perfect. Their customer service is amazing and that LianLi case is such a pleasure to work in. DerBauer really designed it right. I see myself keeping it a very long time for future builds. It's very sturdy.
i had a vanquish 295 from the last year, it had to be fixed 3 times. the end result was they had no more 3090's so they gave me a refund.. this year i bought the conqueror 4090 and the black listed me for giving me a refund... avoid at all cost
I got mystic fluid as well and yes, it did fall out. Now its more clear than cloudy..
I just bought the AMD 7950x3D with the nvidia 4090 side mount. Only addition i did was 64G 6000mhz DDR5 instead of 32. 595 conqueror set up on their page. Love it !!! Only thing id like reviewed is more options when customizing build. Very limited
I thought the whole point of the EK-Matrix7 system was everything was designed to line up exactly in specific applications?
My PC has the cooler on the bottom, I extended the “legs” of the case, leaving a 3” gap between the surface and the case. Air exhaust improved and GPU cooled more.
The way they set up the fans on the bottom red. The reason why they did it was because their whole intentiality is actually cold air being brought up from underneath. They were looking at it from a mechanic perspective where heat rises. Colder comes down so they were thinking of cold, airs the lowest point then pull from the cold air.
The shade thrown at Asus killed me lmao
I use the Mystic Fog in both my builds. One build is a daily and has never had fallout, the other only gets run 1 time a month or so and has severe fallout that dose not pickup even if I run the build laid over 90° with D5 at full speed. As for the offset fittings I use lots of them in both my builds. The offsets make it so much easier to align the tubing in both directions.
I always go with down fire rather than sucking dust off of the floor , but my pc is on a riser with a hole cut in the stand to reduce restriction. At least 15 cm off the floor.
X (radiator) for the large ones. Also, anyone who ever used any o11 case knows that should be bottom and side intake and top/rear exhaust. Very, very, little exceptions.
But it looks shit looking at the back of the fans 😢 I’d like to know how much difference it makes.
64GB should become the norm for mid-high-end systems. I use 64GB, 128GB, and 512GB in my main three systems. I'm not a water-cool guy but it looks not bad, except the off-angle pipe.
Looks good. I have the same case and setup in white but I'm kind of over big cases. I really wish we could get a mini-ITX motherboard with 10Gbe and Thunderbolt so I can make a mini-ITX loop.
Seems odd to push the exhausted hot air down. I wonder if any of the hot air comes back in the side air intake
I would love to watch Jay fix this build Offsets, Fans placement, color scheme see if the temps improve.
That tube offset was the first thing i notest. I 100% agree with you that they should have fixed that.
Love the front panel waterblock
iFixit ad is AWESOME 💥🔥
I like the odd tubes. I like the fact that it's off centre.
those ek prebuilts do seem pretty legit. if i didnt want to go thru efford of a build id probably buy from them. the fact they use lian li cases another bonus
those caps come standard on the new distro plates. also it seems you can avoid so many annoying issues by just avoiding AMD. there's always some different version and a workaround that has to be employed to make amd work SOMEWHERE.
I enjoy you content and giving us the truth of what's out there. Building a gaming pc is soooo out of my wheelhouse of knowledge and I've been looking to update what I have but paying 7k for something that still needs work I guess a new pc is not in my future.
Well Jay, to be honest. You take about 6months per custom pc so I reckon you're safe xD
I've been using Mystic Fog in my build for about 3 years now and dont have an issue. 3 years without maintenance before needing to drain it because I was upgrading my rig, and my waterblocks are as clean as when they were new.
Its great stuff.
OK, those were some pretty sick synthwave beats while filling the loop..
The graphics card should have an ek block not a red devil card which not only fix the lighting issue but aesthetically looks way better. Heck selecting an ek block will probably fix the pipe issue.
I'm excited. In the process of building my second computer. It will be the first time water cooling and painting a pc. But I think it will look so cool when it's done.
Love that Wave Saver track. Any montage builds in the works? Appreciate the look at that premium build along with its "quirks and features."
Tbh the hot hair hitting ur hands is good especially in cold weather or countries. I love it when i set my fans up like that during winter xD
The downfire fans in the bottom will have an issue of blowing out hot air that will come out on the backside which will rise and then pulled back in creating a hot air loop.
When i started my pc gaming during the pandemic. I wanted all the rgb then i eventuality realized performance and cooling mattered way more. Then i watercooled my whole loop with hard tubing. After maintenance for a few times I realized soft tubing with quick connects would be so much easier and i can upgrade faster and next time i would get a mora420 with a smaller case.
The caps are commonly available as an aftermarket addon with the flat plugs.
Jay it's summertime & per the usual ... summertime you always do a lot of watercooling stuff & I personally am 10000000% here for it!!