The Worst Winners Storylines on Drag Race | Lost Potential
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It's interesting to me that most people forget that Peppermint was the runner-up of season 9, not Shea.
This is not true, the finale of season 9 is so memorable and the fact that Shea was booted in the semis is one of the most shocking things ever. A very memorable shock.
No we didn't forget we just don't acknowledge it for the simple fact Production screwed over Shea
@yaycoffe123 No they didn't, Sasha just did the best in the finale
@gianfrancodecandia3484 It's a lot of people flat out forgetting or saying "Sasha beat Shea" when it's "Sasha beat Peppermint".
@@neutralman9124 well I like that better, it’s definitely not “forgetting”, it’s just that things didn’t go as people wanted…
I actually love how completely out of left field Sashas win was. She had to perform something truly spectacular to stop Shae on her one way track to the win and she defeated the odds and did it.
She beat the system.
Right! Specially because it’s out of left field, but it doesn’t feel unearned.
She just earned it at the very end.
(And she did well enough on the rest of the competition to solidify it)
To add to that, it was also the first time we saw Sasha lipsync. She had never been in the bottom two, never had to LSFYL, and so we went into that Sasha v Shea lipsync not knowing what to expect. And she annihilated it. As someone who relates to Sasha immensely, as the quirky, artsy, kinda introverted one, it was soooo satisfying to see her shine in all her glory just when it mattered most.
Exactly this! I watched that finale thinking she didn’t got any chance, so when she ended winning, it was so surprising and well deserved that I was completely happy for her and the show. I wasn’t surprise with it in a long time until Sasha won.
Sasha got out of the matrix
Nah peppermint or trinity def wouldve won over shea
Violet's storyline makes A LOT more sense if you watch the season alongside untucked
You can actually se her grow there and her social struggles towards coming off as rude, you can also see how Ginger and the old lady brigade tried to frame her as the shady one when they were actually the ones criticizing everyone behind their backs.
No hate tho, they made such good TV and the drama makes the season x2 times more enjoyable
its the similar storyline with aquaria, she comes across as much more relatable queen if you also watch the untucked
True! It brings a lot together, so I guess it’s true you only get half the story
@@JackFedYT Yeah!, mama Ru doesn't lie when she says that lmao
Jaida got absolutely robbed of a story because of the Pie situation(and them counting on Gigi which also.. choices). so glad we got to appreciate her on all-winners
Jaida became a strong competitor on the second half of the season, but still, they didn't plan on her winning. Until Summer 2020 happened so they had to crown Jaida.
@alorockss don't you dare say she won because of BLM, after they scrapped the storyline with Gigi and Sherry they had to crown Jaida since they were not crowning Crystal. Also Gigi was in hot ground after almost being disqualified and being close to being canceled. Jaida was great enough on and off camera to be crowned.
I don't really get how relying on Gigi was "choices." She won the Rusical, Snatch Game, Ball and finale challenge. They're basically the most important challenges. She lost the show because she hired a studio for her finale lipsync, which they considered cheating.
@@armandopeniche9873 Jaida is awesome, I don't deny that. But production wanted Gigi to win so they pulled "oh, she broke the rules" out of their sleeve.
They wanted Sherry to win and because the first "plus size" winner, but since she was out of the question they had to rely on Gigi. And then Jaida came through. That was the og top 3. Since Sherry was out of the picture the win was going to Gigi, but they had to deux ex machina her cause she didn't fit with the political climate at the moment of airing.
@@armandopeniche9873why are y’all so bitter about the facts. Real life events can shape the outcome of tv shows. It’s just how it goes. Her talent carried her but the message to America that black is beautiful had to be screamed aswell in such a shitty time.
I’d also have to say Jaida’s storyline on S12 was disappointing, she sometimes got lost in the edit IMO. It’s so unfair too, because it means that people would forget about her even though her track record was great.
Thisss
she was so solid, but the pie edit and gigi favoritism left her not getting her well deserved attention
and she was robbed of some wins and high placements too...
That’s part of why I loved the all winners season; I feel like it was my first time seeing Jaida, and I fell in love with her
@@mayruuhWhen I’ve watched the season back I’ve caught onto that too not even just based off opinion it was just she did the best in some of them lol
Willow Pill being sidelined in the edit right after the premiere in favor of the Jasmine vs. Daya drama and to highlight Bosco as an underdog. It's really sad because she, much like Angeria, just putter along and coast through the rest of the show without getting a lot of air time. It's a shame because those 2 were my favorites of season 14. I mean I wanted Willow to win from the first moment but I'd liked to have seen more of them
It sometimes feels like no one really has a good storyline in 14. It’s like a slice of life anime; no overarching story, just characters going through the motions.
I think that is because the producers put way too many eggs in the basket that was Kornbread. She won the first challenge and is a huge personality who very quickly established storylines with multiple people, most notably Jasmine and Willow. Once she fell victim to the Injury Curse the producers didn’t seem to have a plan B.
Idk season 14 feels weird with the winners like storyline wise Daya should’ve won, competition wise Camden should’ve won but character wise Willow should’ve won. It could’ve gone any way and it’d be fine but nobody really stands out as a winner
@@handsoaphandsoapnot really jasmine has a great storyline of maturing and more respectful to others, daya has a great redemption arc, Camdens growth arc, and than they go with the motions, Wich is good not every episode needs multiple storylines at once
Bosco was highlighted? She felt just there thanks to the edit
By far the worst winner storyline is the one given to Tyra Sanchez since it led to years and years of hate, racist comments and death threats.
Regardless of how awful Tyra ended up becoming over the years, it is still unforgivable how her win is basically defined by people saying it shouldn’t have happened, and Raven actively spread and encouraged it for years even long after Tyra was out of the equation.
@@MichelleD2023I agree.
THIS.
But she deserved it. I wanted Raven to win she is my first best queen to come out from the show but I can't denia how amazing Tyra was most of the season. I won't say the whole season because because the last part of the season it was the Raven show.
Tyra deserved her win and regardless of what happened. World of wonder have alot to answer for tbh in terms of the way they treated her and fandom have been awful and racist it’s their fault they never protected her!
I really don't like how Sasha's wins get dismissed as not proper wins because they were shared. If you want to argue that, Shea only had 2. Sasha performed very well throughout and while she didn't win every challenge she often put in winner-level performances.
thank u!!!
Finally, someone says it! It's so frustrating that people push the narrative that she was always safe, because she turned it out with Shea in those challenges. And after seeing Sasha perform live (literally life changing), it's so clear to me how much of her style of comedy contributed to those challenges, especially with her Russian spy character. I hope she is able to grace the race again one day. A lot of people need to be reminded of how amazing she is.
Not to mention, Sasha was never in the bottom 2 and was only in the bottom 3 once. Quite often, she was either in the Top 3 or Top 2 of the episode (and arguably should've won at least 1-2 more challenges like Snatch Game and Ball). Shea might've won 2 more times than her, but she was also in the bottom two once. So, they even out even in terms of track record.
Right I think because her energy/personality were always so calm and leveled, and her style was so not ostentatious that in hindsight she kind of seems to fade into the background, but she was definitely a front runner the whole time.
For me still the ball should have be won by Sasha, not Shea.
I actually loved Sasha Velours story. She does consistently amazing, but doesn’t get those wins. It’s like, wow Sasha you did so good! Amazing! Brilliant! You’re safe. So when she won it felt awesome
The way Sasha’s rose petal moment came up as a defining moment in the drag careers of S16 queens during Meet the Queens today
Surprised to learn that so many people didn’t like Sasha’s storyline. I absolutely adore it and it’s the thing that made me fall in love with drag race. Don’t get me wrong Shea is an icon but Sasha using her unique drag to honor her mother and ultimately winning due to revealing her bald head, which she shaved to honor her mother, just felt poetic. Kind of like what you said about Yvie in your last video, it’s a great argument for the storyline overruling track record imo.
Also I would say for so much of the season it seemed like Ru just didn’t get Sasha’s drag. There were so many moments where I thought she’d win and would just end up safe. Her snatch game is one of my all time favorites and I loved her looks for gayest ball on earth. Shea had the best individual look for the ball (the construction worker) but Sasha’s were the most consistent imo
Completely agree, Sasha was my pick for winner from the beginning. And then after such a great turnout during the season we then find out that she can lip sync with that much emotion?? What a Queen ❤️👑
I loved that Sasha was an academic. Season 9 was one of the first seasons I watched, and until then, naive little 20yo me had the idea that all drag queens were party girls or something (which is also valid, don't get me wrong). Still being in the middle of university, I loved Sasha showing her academic side and showing me that drag had so much more diversity than I thought. Plus I loved all her academic jokes because I could relate to them as a student. Remember how she was spewing academic nonsense about 'phallocentric this and that' in front of RuPaul and RuPaul just looked at her like 'what'? I was howling, that's exactly what everything I had to read for uni sounded like.
Totally agree
I'm glad Jaida gets the flowers she deserves, since there are a lot of toxics fans that discredit her win. Tbh her winning against three favored queens in Gigi, Sherry and Crystal is such a power move.
I agree I actually was rooting for both Jaida and Gigi I still love Crystal as well but they were my top 2 on that season I knew Jaida was going to be the less obvious winner due to the production of the season so when she did win I was so happy because I fell in love with her personality on the season
@Michaelabeauty96 I remember watching their duo moment in the final 5 challenge and screaming "That's my Top 2 right there"
I was Team Jaida from the get. She is a stellar queen. ♥️
To be honest it really made me angry how much they gave Sherry passes for doing the same thing over and over, pushing her as “favored big queen”. It made me zero in on Jaida more as it was clear Crystal and her should be top 2. Crystal had growth but it was a little last minute in footage. Unfortunately the producers didn’t see it as enough compared to Gigi’s constant wins and Jaida in sheer performance power.
i do feel like watching season 7 violet just had that winner star power vibe even if the storyline didn’t favour her, and she is way more humanised if u watched untucked, but the whole old lady brigade vs young queens was handled weirdly in the final episodes cause…it made all of them seem kinda unlikable?? lmao
the producers of DRDU1 had so many opportunities to divert the edit away from scarlet yet they STILL CHOSE TO FOCUS ON IT UP UNTIL THE LAST EPISODE
Ru would’ve crowned Scarlet if she could’ve gotten away with it, the franchise would’ve been as good as dead if she won
I really feel for Jaida in s12, that’s probably one of the toughest seasons to be a winner for. She has said she wasn’t even supposed to be cast that season, plus the 🥧 incident and edit, plus the absolute height of covid and not being able to tour after the win, the whole world was stacked against her and she still came out on top
I will forever stand by the fact that Kylie was better than Ginger in Snatch Game but it's also one of production's biggest fumbles because the storyline is just PERFECT. The first queen ever to go home on snatch wins it on her return to All Stars? It just writes itself.
I'll go to my grave saying that Season 7 was built for Ginger Minj to win but she was so unlikeable by the end that it was an untenable option to crown her. 75% of the challenges were comedy based, and they stacked the season with a bunch of young or "fashion" queens who wouldn't be able to compete well against Ginger, in production's eyes. But then the season happened.
How was Ginger unlikeable in S7? I don't remember her being unlikeable. Then again, I wanted Katya to win and was pissed when they sent her home (Katya & Kennedy was EASILY a double chantay), so I didn't really pay too much attention to either Violet or Ginger as potential winners during S7. :D
The way she criticized younger queens was annoying in untucked. She wasn't as annoying as Kennedy, but still
If it was rigged, as you say, they would have given her a more likeable edit. They didn't because it wasn't .
@@the3spirit I think when people talk about how unlikable Ginger is , they're mostly talking about her behavior in Untucked episodes.
Sasha deserved EVERY second of her win. A true class act.
My outlook on the Sasha crowning is that yeah Shea performed better in the show, but Sasha's impact is felt on the show to this day. It's now expected to rock reveals, she went viral, audience members were stunned and on their feet for her, it bled into pop culture afterwards. A turning point for the show that happened last minute. To me it felt more on the lines of yeah you can dominate the show, but the underdog still has a chance to rise above and take the win. So glad Shea got her flowers eventually tho. Now it's Peppermint's turn fr
Honestly most of these “worst” winner storylines are all because of production doing a bad job and is completely no fault of the queens.
Like Kylie is the winner that keeps me up at night because of how she won but that’s all because the production made her a side character with no merit for her accomplishments in the competition while amazing queens with great storylines through the season (Rajah, TKB, Eureka) were getting their deserved flowers. Then in the final minutes of the season they just ambush us with a very questionable win because as a viewer Kylie was the 4th best finalist. Literally all they had to do was crown the person with the best storyline and performance (Rajah) or give Kylie the wins she deserves and the screen time she needs. Like production fumbled the last moments hard.
Then with Kita it’s all in the video like they had all their money on Scarlet and Karen then when the controversies come out they were left with Kita as the only viable winner when Kita actually did really good on the season. Kita was actually so shafted on the season and her storyline would’ve been amazing if the producers weren’t stupid.
Then Krystal absolutely destroyed in UK3 especially with very strong finalists, but Ru’s gleaming love for her and not getting wins she deserved in the latter half of the season, along with her being completely overshadowed near the end made her seem like an undeserving winner in the final moments when that’s completely not the case. Another L for production
Then another winner edit I find to be lacklustre is Sasha Colby’s. The whole season it felt like the show was TELLING us how great she is instead of SHOWING us. Sasha had her good moments but with Anetra, Luxx and Mistress having such amazing developed storylines Sasha just felt a lot more stale. Also some of her wins were weird and it felt like she was never in a vulnerable position because the producers never trusted her to succeed on her own merit. If the show let Sasha be instead of the slight handholding they were doing I feel her eventual win would be more organic.
Then you have Jaida which is the epitome of a wtf production moment. Like of course the Sherry situation was all that but what were they doing. I honestly fear what the edit would be like if it was the original edit and storyline and how much they’d overshadow Jaida then.
I could go on but you get the point. These bad edits and storylines are by all means the productions fault
Kylie’s win is still very questionable to me. It should’ve been Rajah or Ginger. Kylie kinda felt forced because she was trans and people kept wanted a trans winner.
@@michaelgarcia5749@michaelgarcia5749 true, she doesnt give queen vibes, it was forced win. sasha as well. i feel like both of them just removed their clothes and ru gave them crown
while jaida was almost non-existent in the edit, by the end i just couldn't see crystal or gigi winning. in a way, production's mistake made me root for her even more as an underdog. and we love an underdog storyline like jinkx or a newer example, ginger johnson. every time jaida succeeded it was 100% earned, nothing was rigged, and she managed to show yet another facet of hers.
as for season 7, i feel like untucked was such an integral part of the storytelling, and violet definitely came out a winner in those, like ginger and kennedy looked real bad in the pre-finale episode. i do wonder though why WOW didn't bring that energy to the main episodes as much.
also i don't know how to take heidi's words from the exposed interview that sherry should've won snatch game. now i wonder if the edit can be manipulated THAT much and no one bats an eye or was that season-12-specific or something else.
Rajah is one of my favorite queens ever, probably my favorite queen, but I will die on the hill that Kylie's win was the most exciting and satisfying win I've seen recently on Drag Race not only because of how unexpected it was, because it was amazing that the show awarded a queen who was able to sail through the season flawlessly without having to go "bigger" with her personality and instead decided to be really really smart about it. Often more soft spoken or shy queens are given this critique that they have to show "more vulnerability" or "more of them" or "they don't know them" and Kylie was extremely clever and just shared with the show what she wanted to share and refused to be louder or to change her demure persona in order to prove she could be funny. She could had made her whole journey through the show based on her trans experience and identity and as a trans woman myself I'm SO HAPPY that herself on the show said out loud "I'm not here to be the trans girl". She instead chose to showcase that she was confident without the need to be cocky and only brought up her insecurities (her southern accent) when it made sense with the challenge. People don't give her credit for how intelligent she was but she is one of the few, maybe the only winner alongside/since Bianca, who took complete control over all of her narrative and won the competition on her own terms.
Regarding Violet, I think comparing how her and Ginger were presented in Untucked vs the main show is vital in understanding her story. Ginger was portrayed much more kindly in the main show and presented a very different side in Untucked. Very different to Violet who was shown and we as an audience were told as rude vs Untucked where she was laughing, being more human, and showing maturity. It’s like Untucked and the main show couldn’t decide who was the protagonist and who was the antagonist in S7
Jaida got done so dirty, it broke my heart during her moment in the All Winners season where she said she felt like she didn’t belong there, I actually cried when she broke down. She deserved so much better.
As a Violet stan…. I paused right when you said her name to type this comment.
I remember the online fanbase so vehemently rooting for Violet to win the week prior to the finale with justification of never being in the bottom 2.
We know her runways always saved her, but I was stanning my ATL Queen from the first episode.
Lord those runways, she needs to come back just so I can gape at that talent.
1000% and she was so misunderstood. Met her last month and was surprised how humble and sweet she is!
tyra's winner edit was also like VERY questionable bc they were straight up villifying her and constantly showing ppl on her season badmouthing her for simply being talented. sure she was a bit annoying in the werkroom but she most of the criticisms directed at her were simply bc she was doing great in the competition. the edit had some bits where they showed how focused tyra was in the competition bc of her son, but it were some tiny bits that would later be ignored thanks to werkroom drama.
Fr, they were trying to do a villain edit and a winner edit at the same time, and that just made them fumble. It affected her image as a winner, made her unlikable for the audience (and people just went after her with hate comments and threats)
As Juju said, she's just UNT when we watch the season
Her screaming while hot gluing appliques to her legs still gets me LMAOO
I remember being impressed with Violet's mature attitude & growth in season 7.
I think Sasha Colby too, it was apparent from the meet the queens that Ru couldn't give it to anyone else. I think the shorter episodes really messed up everyone's story that season
This is so funny to me because Sasha and Jaida are probably my favourite US winners as well as season 9 & 12 are my favourite US seasons. Love your videos, Jack, thank you! 😊
They could've easily given Sasha the winner edit front-runner status if they wanted to. Her wins in Snatch game, the Ball, the Makeover, and one could argue even the Roast, would all be justifiable. They were just never counting on her to do _that_ in the finale
Love Kylie but I still think Ra'Jah should've won AS6 and not CvsTW
Yesss or ginger
Same 🤷🏾♂️
I still think ginger was robbed, she was such a strong performer, especially compared to everyone else
@charlieswanney8610 IMO, both of her wins should have gone to different people, also she was never a front runner properly
No, Kylie won because she performed the best lol
I was so underwhelmed by Aquaria's win, there were so many more interesting storylines that season.
Same.
same,it felt pretty obvious but so many good storylines could've been picked up instead.
@@YeloH Eureka would have been a controversial winner but an amazing winner, and Kameron had the perfect black sheep/underdog storyline of the season. Aquaria winning felt very “another New York fashion queen”
But whom should the win have been given to? Eureka definitely no option after the racist allegations,Kameron not after only winning once and 3 lip syncs and we saw what Asia did to the butterflies, that’s no winner potential.
Cracker was disappointingly querky in a luscious lip sync and Monet was simply not there yet.
So practically only Aquaria is left.
@@kev7600 eureka clearly won s10, aquaria tripped and they randomly pushed her into the top3 finale lipsync so... eureka winner idc
I honestly forget about Kylie as a winner. That’s no shade, I truly just forget 😅😢
Honestly, Kita's situation manages to be worse than Sasha's and Jaida's combined. Sasha was not set up to be the winner, but because of a new twist whose results were seemingly not expected by the production, she ended up eliminating the intended winner (Shea), but at the very least it was an iconic moment, Jaida was intended to be sidelined, but because one of the queens that was supposed to get the focus ended up being a criminal, they had to edit out the main storyline that involved her and the queen that I think was intended to be the winner (Gigi), which led to a season with a lot of disconnect and thus, a winner that doesn't feel like she has a storyline.
Kita's situation, as you said, is a combination of both, but what makes it worse than them combined is the fact that the production new. Shitty Pie was not known to be a criminal until the season was actually announced, so it makes sense that the production had to rush with a statement and a new edit to exclude her. However, in Down Under 1, it was obvious that they intended to crown Scarlet Racist from the beginning, but unlike the other one, they actually knew it during filming and literally addressed it in an episode with an unconvincing apology from her and the choice to keep her in the competition.
They could have easily disqualified Scarlet imediatly, but chose to keep her all the way to the top 4 despite acknowledging her actions, and instead of at least making her a villain in the season and not giving her any wins, or just sending her home when she fell in the bottom, they just pretended that weak ass apology was gonna be enough, so we ended up with a top 4 of a racist queen that would never be accepted by the community as a winner, another queen that was already gathering controversy (Karen), an eliminated queen that came back with no merit whasoever and Kita, the one that was left. They found out about it before filming, just give Kita the winner edit.
Sasha deserved more than the two wins she got. Honestly believe there were several episodes that she didn't win on but absolutely should have.
I love her to death but Kylie winning AS6 is the only time I was genuinely surprised by who won. They did not give her a winners edit AT ALL and I genuinely thought Rajah was gonna win by due to how they portrayed her
Kylie winning AS6 kinda had a bad domino effect. Should have been Raja's win so Victoria could win CvsTW
I love Sasha’s win because her performance made it that the producers had no choice but to advance her over shea
It makes me so happy that you can still find a way to may rpdr interesting! People like you are really the only reason I continue to follow the show.
Speaking of Rajah, her CvsTW win doesn't feel deserved, it felt like an apology win for hee losing AS6
Silky dominated the entire season (clearly) and won the finale LS, but they crowned Rajah because everyone wanted her to win
I think it's also because fan reception of Rajah is better than the fan reception Silky has. They both have gotten better personality wise but I personally think Rajah is better to get along with where I think a lot of RPDR fans still think of Silky as being incredibly mean spirited and hard to get along with
A lot of people say the same thing about Shea winning AS5. Production should have just crowned Shea during S9 and Ra’Jah during AS6 and things wouldn’t have ended up feeling like this.
That’s what kills me like Silky and Rajah would’ve been great winners if they were given the wins they deserve but noo the producers blindside everyone with a Kylie win that feels so incredibly unsatisfying. Legit Eureka would’ve been a more satisfying winner than Kylie
also, Victoria was there and if they wanted great winner storyline, production could really make the edit, like from a queen that was injured and taken out of the competition to a winner. And Victoria had great track record too.
Silky winner storyline would have been great too
Even though I was rooting for Shea I was so satisfied and happy with Sasha's win. Until then the finale was absolutely unnecessary and boring because it was basically an hour long drag (haha) to crown the queen with the most wins/who did the best in the episodes prior. Why even have a finale then?
Season 9 made calling the finalists giving out a ticket for a chance to win. And Sasha used it best.
Thank you for not spoiling the UK S5. Love all your videos and analysis... and these small details really matter. ❤
I feel like the Vioelt thing comes down to Ginger and Kennedy being the "villains", so her confessionals were not meant to be taken as serious, and more ironic maybe? Kind of like undermining, because the viewers see Violet as this "improved self-reflected" queen while Ginger stuck in the "past"? If that makes any sense?
In some shows, they use unreliable narrators as a way to highlight things. I haven't rewatched S7 in ages so I might be wrong.
The worst winners storylines were Willow and Jaida. They just made absolutely no sense with the way their seasons unfolded, especially Willow. She only won one challenge, and was filmed getting eliminated right before the finale, and then won over 2 queens who won 4 and 3 challenge’s respectively. I love Willow, but that makes no sense.
Also, Willow had 2 bottom placements. Having more bottom 2 placements than wins is only (somewhat) okay on an All Stars season. The Top 2 honestly should have been Lady Camden & Bosco.
Having the finale count towards the winner of course makes sense but having it count more than any other episode, I can't get behind
A silly little wish from me is maybe to put the "real" reactions of the winner announcement, I understand it maybe hard with copyright or such. Thank you for your amazing content, I always get excited when I get your notification
I can’t lie I don’t hold Shea not being the winner as highly as other people but only because the lip sync finale became a thing because so many queens started making it to the finale never being in the bottom and having to prove they could lip sync. Lip syncing being one of the main premises of the show which Ru has stressed himself several times.
Not only that but if you think about it if Sasha and Shea ever ended up in the bottom together, Sasha probably would have won the lipsync and sent her home. Whether people like that the crown is decided on a lipsync or not, the challenge is the challenge.
I truly think Violet is the most talented queen ever to be on drag race. The level of fashion, perfection and performance she shows at such a young age is unmatchable. If you see her performer outside drag race you'll see she's definetly not a "look queen", she performs pure art.
She won the worst season …great
@@Dalasjanetluv that's my point, the season was terrible, the producers came up with the worst challenges and narratives, yet, it was a cast with huge talent and above all these talented queens is Violet.
Ginger, Katya or even Kennedy or Pearl were way more talented than Violet. Sorry Vio
@@Dalasjanetluv S7 has some of the most successful queens to ever come out of drag race. I actually think the level of talent between all of the front runners was outstanding
I just rewatched season 7 and if I'm honest the only reason I think people think violets storyline is a bad one is because it came off the heels of season 5 and 6 Which have 2 of the strongest winner storylines ever. Violet grew a ton that season and if you paid attention. She was a completely different queen by the end of the season. Untucked even further emphasized this if you watched it and i genuinely think compared to recent drag race her storyline is actually fantastic.
I started watching the show at season seven because that's when it first became available in my country and I don't know if I would've kept watching if Violet hadn't won. She just had that IT factor. I was completely shocked to see the reactions afterwards because in my mind she was the clear winner. Her wins felt the most deserved, her never landing in the bottom because of her looks and her attitude, which at the time didn't feel worse than Kennedy or Ginger's because you could actually see her growth - I was super happy she won and think she did great for herself after.
And when it comes to Kylie: I was rooting for her and very upset she was thrown in the bottom for certain challenges and not win or get high on others, where I was sure she had them in the bag, so to me, there was no way she could win, but then she did and it was the first time I cried for someone winning a reality show. That finale also was hers to win only, a great verse and that epic lipsync moment? I would've been happy for Rajah too, but since that would've been more expected because she actually got her flowers in wins and by the edit, Idk, it just made it that much more special to see Kylie win.
I think the franchise with the worst winner storylines is clearly the UK and they definitely need to work on that, which it kinda feels like they did when looking at the last winner, but even then you could make a strong case for Michael, so I'm not really sure.
I used to love rewatching the show, but many things like the edits or weird storylines really made certain seasons almost/entirely unwatchable for me, which is sad because at the end of the day I think we're all watching because we wanna see these amazingly talented queer artists thrive.
thanks for the lunch break content jack!!
Thanks for a reasonable, interesting video where you get to the point and stick to it!
For me, when the fighting between Ginger and Violet happens near the end, my perception of Violet had changed enough that it felt like the bitter old lady brigade were in the wrong coming for Violet and Pearl, and it made me root for those two more and to see Kennedy/Ginger as the ‘villains’
Why doesn’t Ginger get the love she deserves!?!?!
Jack I am OBSESSED WITH YOUR VIDEOS
The "Born to do drag" is basically reserved for really skinny and really femme queens.
Anetra isn’t fishy
She is though@@speechless7936
honestly love that you're this positive about the queens but krystal would absolutely be bodied and buried in any all winners season
Depends on the challenges
@@Jayjay_07 not really
@@itsnallari Yeah let's see how wrong you'll be in 5-8 years
@@Jayjay_07 thats a very long time does she need all that to stop being mediocre at everything besides paying designers?
@@itsnallari LOL you think you ate. Grow up and stop hating strangers
Sasha Velour is the most frustrating edit in my opinion because they could have easily given her the ball win or the makeover. Honestly the season should have had the storyline of Sasha and Shea both being super strong competitors who were neck in neck, it would have been a tighter more competitive season. Instead, Sasha was edited to be Shea’s sidekick who could only win with Shea, which was very strange since Sasha gave several win worthy individual performances in the season. I was so happy that Sasha won because it felt like retribution to an edit that tried to gaslight us into seeing Sasha as a weaker competitor than she was.
Exactly
I always thought they chose Kylie as a winner as they didn't want it to seem like they were discriminating against her as she was transgender (given comments Ru has made in the past)
13 second ago? oh my
give us your s16 top 4 bestie
Kita (and Elektra for that matter) deserved better
All of those who weren't front-runners were robbed during the season. Sasha, she was an underdog and the producers didn't see her as a winner, but when they changed the format, they saw her potential. Unfortunately, too little too late to delete Shea's storyline or remake a worthy storyline for her. And Violet, honestly, I can't agree, her storyline makes a lot of sense, even if you consider Untucked which is where she developed best
When Kasha tells the audience how much Violet make attitude changed and I was like “she must have become nicer when I was looking away from the tv.”
Jaida's case was something that not even the producers expected.
The edition of the seasons always points to 2 possible/probable contenders for the final, and in S12 it was Gigi and Sherry, the abuse allegations happened and Gigi became the clear winner from Madonna's rusical. The final came and the covid too, and with it the rules to produce their shows from home, until Gigi was almost decoded for recording "take on me" in a studio and not in her home like Crystal and Jaida did. Then production saw that Jaida had 3 challenges won, a good track record and above all, a fair winner that no one saw coming until that moment.
Part of all this is addressed in AS7 with the breakdown that Jaida had when she still did not assimilate that she was a fair winner
A similar situation happened with Down Under 1, where Kita Mean turned out to be the winner, a fair and clean winner that we only realized in the final.
Isis Avis Loren from Down Under S3 has the strangest winner edit for me. She has the highest PPE score in Drag Race history, but was never highlighted as a frontrunner or given ANY kind of backstory or storyline whatsoever??
it's wild because the entire time I could tell Isis was the clear frontrunner, and yet the edit did nothing to make me care 😭 like I liked her but she was still somehow not that satisfying a win because we barely knew her
@@jackiecozzie4803 right??
Violet won 3 challenges (the same as Ginger) and had 0 bottoms (Ginger had 2) in a season that objectively is geared more towards a Queen like Ginger, with a ton of acting/comedy challenges. She beat them at their own game! I will never understand how anyone could argue anyone but Violet should’ve won
Another weird win, although recent, was Pandora Noxx on Drag Race Germany s1. She came in, was instantly set up as the one to beat, had a really great start with 2 wins early on, and then got sidelined for the rest of the season bc she didn't do well in the weeks upon weeks of comedy challenges. Imo they also saved her a LOT during those challenges, and gave her random wins like the one for the Merkel runway.
Meanwhile, they set Meta up as this versatile, funny queen and show us so much of her personality, and this amazing finale lipsync of hers, just to then not give her the win.
As a cis queen, I'm still very glad that Pandora won, and she's definitly earned it, even though I believe she didn't get to show everything she had to give.
No but when I tell you I was watching another video and I CLICKED OUT SO FAST as soon as I saw this in my recommended. Slay
Some people probably not like what I’m gonna say but going into season 12 at least after the first episode I definitely thought Sherry was gonna win I mean they clearly made it to the top 4 and performed quite well; hearing that there was initially meant to be a Sherry versus Gigi storyline makes things even more interesting on what could have been. Alas Jaida rightfully won! I’m so happy she won like I was really happy when she got crowned albeit virtually 😆 and she came back on all winners to prove all the haters as to why she was so deserving on AS7 ✨🙌🏾
I didn't understand Sonique winning All Stars 6, there were so much more deserving queens
Ginger was already back 2 times and Kylie was more memorable than Rajah
Krystal and Kylie’s wins were very “oh…..ok sure, I guess I can see that” when other queens got more of a winning edit/ did better overall.
I also think that there’s another important element when it comes to winners: Production of future seasons.
I think it can explain how on a number of occasions a queen who, while deserving of a win, objectively didn’t get the winners edit but was given the win. i.e. they saw more potential in terms of casting future seasons for some queens and kept them open to be able to compete again.
It was Ginger Minj season!!!! 😢
You just made my day
It's funny hearing these as "the worst storylines" when there are at least two that I felt like deserved it and I was rooting for the whole season.
Okay Jack the sports analyst 😂❤
Sasha & Shea were neck n neck but the wig reveal was something no one could recover from . And it was validating to RPDR to have an intellectual, moralistic and cerebral winner. ❤
I adore Sasha Valour. After Bianca, she's my fav winner for a reason. I just gravitated to her automatically because of her artistic expression (and I think her Snatch game is underrated). My only concern was his lip syncing ability because she was never in the bottom 2. So when the rose petal moment arrived and I was just as gagged. That being said, I do agree with your assessment because I do recall Shea getting a lot more attention in the edit. So when Shea did pop up in AS5, I pretty much knew Day 1 she was going to be the one to beat since S9 was so stacked.
I knew Violet won going into my first watch of season 7 (watched it a couple years after it aired) and the overall thought I had most of the season was ‘how??????’ Like she had iconic runways and some great challenge performances, but when watching it for the first time, she didn’t seem rounded enough as previous winners. Definitely wish it was a better edit.
If All Stars 6 would have been judged fairly, Sonique would have at least two more wins. But RuPaul really went for the redemption story line with RaJah. And he did it, as he did with Jimbo & Shea, creating a whole season, with RaJah, Shea or Jimbo being the one and only protagonist.
Also, Kylie didn't deserve most of her Bottom 2 placements imo.
I will never understand how they didn't give the Snatch Game win to Kylie. It makes so much sense story wise.
i do think that the switch to giving everyone a possible winner's edit just in case really took away from the immersion for me, cause i didn't really care who won and who didn't, as opposed to previous seasons where i was on the edge of my seat routing for 'my' winner
Yeah S3 is my worst UK season of the franchise and I didn’t agree with alot of Ella’s wins and the placements (Charity Kase treatment & double elim etc.) but Krystal Versace is STILL my favourite UK winner she stands out and actually she did quite well could have won EP3 but they didn’t want her to win 3 in a row. Plus she deffo won the last episode (Sasha won the last regular episode so production pick and chose when it counts as a win) so KV had 3/4 wins on S3 imo and as Jack says Ru was obsessed and it’s a rightful win and she stands out against the other campy queens on the UK franchise winners circle.
Yes! I didn't enjoy UK Series 3 a lot and I really thought Ella was going to take it, but in retrospective Krystal's win makes a lot of sense and brings diversity to the UK winners circle, if only the challenge order was different so all the finalists had their shining moments spread out, it would've been a lot more satisfying. I felt the same way about UK 4, at one point it felt like the Danny and Cheddar show and everyone else's was paid dust (specially Dakota and Jonbers). Dakota would've been a great finalist if her performances were judged better and Jonbers could've been given the win in the last challenge so she had a more solid trackrecord going into the finale.
I also love Krystal and she was clear winner for me, AND I also think the fact that ru loved is just as much of a valid reason for her to be crowned. I think people like to say she won cause ru liked her, and there's some truth to that (even tho her immense polish and talent factor in as well) I just don't think it's a bad thing. It is his show after all and impressing ru personally, rather than just having a good track record, is still very important
@@gaelisaias well it was the Danny & Cheddar show they performed very well! Lol 🤷🏾♂️(One time I would have been okay with a double win and tie) but alas I well agree that Dakota was overlooked and maybe yea Jonbers could have got one win in there.
@@ericamakowski789 Exactly I don’t know why people don’t seem to comprehend this is “RuPaul’s” drag race he picks the one he’s most impressed with, and that season it was with no doubt Krystal Versace. ‼️
@@obibraxton2232 Yeah I won't deny they were the best performers in that season and they fully deserved to be the top 2, I just wish the competition was a bit more balanced because the rest of the cast felt overlooked
Do you have a video of the down under drama? I haven't heard of this before
Oh my ur gonna drown when you start making season 16 content
Honestly not Raja but when Trinity got eliminated I was screaming because Trinity truly had the biggest redemption arc in that season. But when they didn’t give the Super Bowl performance to her I knew she wasn’t going to win and producers preferred other queens storylines over her
If they had given Sasha the win in the first episode and makeover, she would have had 4 wins, and been on par with Shea, and then it would be fine
Loved this video!! Would love to see a video about this season’s winner and hear your opinions 🫶🏼
To be honest i think Sasha Velour deserved 1-2 more wins during the show, for example the Snatch Game. I think Ru and the production were more or less forced to give her the win after the final lipsyncs but because they hadn´t plan it all along and because she wasn´t their favorite she didn´t get as much airtime or wins during the season. That said, i think Shea deserved the win just as much.
DAE find it odd that Sherry did so well in the beginning, but then doesnt win anything else? I mean that was before the re-edit. They didn't edit who won the challenges. Just so odd to me.
Ginger should have won both of the seasons where she was a finalist.
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No season 7. As6 yes but i think they prefer a one return queen to win
I think Violet and Krystal are two examples of how cumulative runway performance has more of an effect than we talk about. They were both extremely consistent and dominant on the runway, and that really did a lot to make them seem more like winners.
Jaida still is my favourite queen 😊 I love her so much, it’s sad that her edit was so underwhelming! She deserves more
the days of one or two challenge wins and winning the season are over. now it's about overall performance of the season which is much better. crystal is the only uk winner that doesn't have the personality to carry a show on her own. i really thought it was going to be ella or kitty. so glad that the winners since then have been big comedic personalities. you're right that i don't remember crystal's wins. ginger's win though was the most decisive. she excelled in all the challenges. the ones she didn't win, she almost won (and probably should have). even the stuff that michael won i thought ginger was going to win. i guess they couldn't give every win to one person. i really thought raja was going to take that. glad that she got the uk vs the world title though.
Speaking of Rajah i kind of see her winning CvsTW as an apology for not winning AS6 as imo she did well on that season but the win should have gone to either Silky or Victoria as they both did much better in the competition, I seem to remember Rajah only getting in the top 2 once and not winning a lip sync untill the final, I love her but it felt weird
The funny thing about Rajah is the season she did end up winning (Canada vs The World) would fit into this video. While she fully deserved the win, I feel like production was trying to push Silky as the winner. UK vs The World also did this as Pangina and Jimbo’s storyline was being heavily pushed until they got eliminated earlier than expected which definitely messed up things with the storyline. It was between Blu, Baga, and Mo Heart as they all pretty much had the same track record.
I love Sasha I think you could have won more challenges in their season like if she would have won the ball or snatch game nobody would complain that she didn't deserve to win based on challenges and would even the field for the four finalist
I agree - I don't think the winners didn't _deserve_ their wins, but on a few occations I would rather have liked to see someone else win.
Ginger over Violet, Rajah over Kylie and Gigi or even Crystal Methyd over Jada for sure. I was extatic when my favourite Sasha won, but felt really bad for Shea who kinda _deserved_ the win for dominating the whole season (Sasha coming as a very close second). Shae's later all stars win later on the contrary felt a little off and like she won as a compensation for not winning her own season.
I've felt since the start that they often want a very certain kind of queen to win. Sort of like "We've had two fashion queens win, this time we want a comedy queen" or "we've had 4 white winners in a row, now is a black queen's turn" or "time to give the win to a trans person for the first time!" But as I said, I don't remember ever thinking someone didn't deserve their win. I've always been supportive to the winners and can see the merits they won by.
In the season long eliminations I'm constantly riled up honestly 😂
I GET SO EMOTIONAL BABY!
willow started the season so strong, and than the edit just forgot about her, the hole season was so dragged that no one seemed like a strong contender in the end, but willow only had one win in a 90 episode season (and she deserved so much the talent show win, cause is the bathtub everyone remembers)
Agreed. I think that in some cases, the production didn't aime them to win. Like kata min for example. This season was way too much produced, that after it aired and the backlash, they couldn't give it to the other queen they planned for.
I think similar, but with less obvious produced and wins gap, happened with Jaida. Third will be Sasha as a surprise with the lip sync.
Nonetheless they are all! Deserved and for sure were contendents for the win themselves.