Ogerpon should be an honorable mention since all of her forms are good in single (all three legal forms have good viability) and vgc (usually seen in reg F+G and win world once)
Ogerpon Hearthflame is banned to Ubers and remember, I am excluding any Pokémon in the Uber tier. It absolutely is good in both singles and doubles, but for legendary Pokémon, I only wanted to talk about 2 of them
@@x_bell1142 He said all 3 legal forms which include Wellspring (Water), Cornerstone (Rock) and Teal (Grass) All 3 of them have (varying) success in Gen 9 OU, with Wellspring being the best one by far. Iirc, wellspring is also the best in VGC
@@benisama1688 Is it better than Landorus Therian and Raging Bolt though? For legendary and paradox Pokémon, I only wanted to include the two that I felt were the best.
Well since last respect does not only check for currently ko'd allies, and does stack up with each revived then knocked out ally, your statement crumbles
Half correct. Supreme Overlord only counts how many Pokemon are currently fainted in the party at the time of switch in. Last Respects counts how many times allies have fainted total in the current battle, and will also count Pokemon that have been revived and fainted again, up to 100 times for a total of 5050 bp if you reach the limit.
Magearna in the one VGC format she was allowed in lol. Which brings us to the companion video that features legendaries and mythicals etc, including Ubers (Magearna was OU in gen 7 despite being tested, was banned to Ubers in gen 8). We now have Ubers UU for a reason.
id add normal ursaluna to the list too. it may be uubl, but it's still good in ou and has been viable in every vgc format. it also isn't ubers unlike its bloodmoon form
Restricted Legendary is a specific category of legendary pokemon consisting of the cover legends of games and dlc (minus Suicune, Urshifu, and Ogrepon plus Eternatus, Zygarde, and Mewtwo). They typically have 670+ base stats and are designed to be much stronger than most pokemon
I've seen some people refer to it as a second restricted legendary in reg G before, but that was just a joke. The only restricted paradox Pokemon are Koraidon and Miraidon (which are treated as restricted legendaries in gameplay).
I also agree but, I'm curious to know why lando is decreasing in usage/meta standing the lack of strong ice types (At least in ou) would make me think it would be stronger, but it seems its not true
@@vj6078 in singles it was getting outclassed by great tusk. meanwhile, in doubles people usually prefer the incarnate form, cuz of sandsear storm + sheer force combo
I didn't want to discuss them because them being banned to Ubers but not banned in VGC has more to do with the difference in rule sets, rather than them being overwhelmingly powerful, which I did not want to be the focus of this video.
Vgc bans mons based on their status (legendary, mythical, etc) which isn't the definition for actual power. Smoogon is a little more accurate about power scaling
No, unless the Tatsugiri is taking damage from a passive effect like poison/sand, it cannot be hit and will still be on the field after Dondozo faints.
I feel like dragonite really shouldn't be on this list because dragonite has never been good before gen 9 because it relies a lot on tera normal instead i would say pult since its been a lot better over multiple generations, still great video though!
I personally think Empoleon makes a good addition to this list as well! It's coverage has been useful for a long time, it's very versatile in movesets, and has seen plenty of usage in both Game modes for over a decade!
Item clause isn't the problem for singles, and makes hazards a lot better due to ghold blocking removal, and ghold really isn't banworthy ever since DLC1. Limiting teams to 1 boots/lefties just limits defensive options. A booster energy ban would be better than item clause, and even then, most teams really only have 1 booster mon so it doesn't even violate item clause
who told you that lol But yeah Raging Bolt has used leftovers, but in the last format (Reg G) it was not too good due to the lack of a reliable electric type stab Leftovers Raging runs Calm Mind, Protect, Thunderclap and Dragon Pulse, so it can be easily walled by Fairy types that stall Tclap
@maximilianohermosilla2544 idk i just assumed ten turn games didnt see enough value from leftovers for them to be worthwhile. I was vaguely aware they were niche but i thought lack of chip and doubling for kills would make them harder to justify
Time to wait for "Pokémon BAD in singles and BAD in doubles"!!!
It’s just sun flora
Feebas
Ledian
I can't wait for Spinda
5 hour video on like 90% of the Pokedex
Landorus-Therian is so ubiquitous he got a dating simulator now.
that shit was peak
Gholdengo is 100% an in universe cereal mascot
Crocalor literally has a billboard in Levincia advertising cereal
Relic Flakes
Or string cheese
Gholdeng-O's
rich in fiber and iron
made with real pyrite
So surprised I didn’t see an a pokead showing it as a food Mascot or something
Raging Bolt and Miraidon when Gen 10 Introduces a Ground/Fairy dual type pokemon: 👀💦
Overheat, D-Gleam, Tera blast, *insert move only r-bolt gets*
@yusheitslv100 okay but everybody has terablast. I don't think it's fair to include it.
@@AweYeah requires Tera to be useful, and it's only optimal on a few mons.
Up next: Pokemon Single in Doubles and Good in Bad
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And some more I’m forgetting
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@@ryuger laughing my off ass
Ogerpon should be an honorable mention since all of her forms are good in single (all three legal forms have good viability) and vgc (usually seen in reg F+G and win world once)
Ogerpon Hearthflame is banned to Ubers and remember, I am excluding any Pokémon in the Uber tier. It absolutely is good in both singles and doubles, but for legendary Pokémon, I only wanted to talk about 2 of them
@@x_bell1142 He said all 3 legal forms which include Wellspring (Water), Cornerstone (Rock) and Teal (Grass)
All 3 of them have (varying) success in Gen 9 OU, with Wellspring being the best one by far. Iirc, wellspring is also the best in VGC
@@benisama1688 Is it better than Landorus Therian and Raging Bolt though? For legendary and paradox Pokémon, I only wanted to include the two that I felt were the best.
Supreme Overlord only checks for currently fainted allies, not times allies fainted, like with Last Respects.
Well since last respect does not only check for currently ko'd allies, and does stack up with each revived then knocked out ally, your statement crumbles
Half correct. Supreme Overlord only counts how many Pokemon are currently fainted in the party at the time of switch in. Last Respects counts how many times allies have fainted total in the current battle, and will also count Pokemon that have been revived and fainted again, up to 100 times for a total of 5050 bp if you reach the limit.
Correct, I was totally mixing up those two
Great video! I would also consider Dragapult to be on this list because of its great versatility and use with chien pao before this current format
Rest talk and curse? Dondozo’s living in gen 2, despite being introduced in the latter gens
Magearna in the one VGC format she was allowed in lol.
Which brings us to the companion video that features legendaries and mythicals etc, including Ubers (Magearna was OU in gen 7 despite being tested, was banned to Ubers in gen 8). We now have Ubers UU for a reason.
It was not a VGC ruleset, since there was no Championship, It was Just a battlespot doubles format
Normal raikou: trash
Raikou, but l o n g: OP
Hey, that's me!
I don't even play competitive, yet I still find your videos quite interesting
Remember that one time when Charizard was in Gen 8 OU before Heatran while being in VGC a couple times?
Great video as always
Thanks!
Great vid!!🫶🏻
Thanks!
Are any Pokémon either good in VGC and bad in Smogon doubles or vice versa? I guess it might depend on the VGC regulation.
I look at the fire cat well not be saying it’s names has really fallen off .Thank you GOD!🎉
What about pokemon good in singles and doubles but played completely differently
Gamefreak love the raid battle so much they made a raid boss pokemon. Lol
2:10
Can smeargle not sketch it? Ive never seen anyone use that and im sure in not the first person to think of it
Smeargle cannot sketch Revival Blessing
id add normal ursaluna to the list too. it may be uubl, but it's still good in ou and has been viable in every vgc format. it also isn't ubers unlike its bloodmoon form
True
The monke
monke
Alright where's torkoal
Good in both.
Without restricted mons/below ubers, it's the best sun setter and is the cornerstone of sun room (sun trick room)
@@yusheitslv100 ik, just saying its missing from here
Same for Per
I specifically wanted to focus on Pokémon that are in the OU tier of Smogon which Torkoal is not
Niceru
11:30 I thought you weren’t going to talk about restricted legendaries?
Restricted Legendary is a specific category of legendary pokemon consisting of the cover legends of games and dlc (minus Suicune, Urshifu, and Ogrepon plus Eternatus, Zygarde, and Mewtwo). They typically have 670+ base stats and are designed to be much stronger than most pokemon
Raging Bolt isn't a legendary pokemon and iirc wasn't ever restricted
I've seen some people refer to it as a second restricted legendary in reg G before, but that was just a joke. The only restricted paradox Pokemon are Koraidon and Miraidon (which are treated as restricted legendaries in gameplay).
@@Ribombastic
Do you know what else was a joke?
Does raging bolt really use leftovers in doubles? I thought doubles rarely used leftovers at all
Hatterene?
Hatterene is definitely good too!
You mean madam “can never function outside of trick room”.
I still think, that raging bolt is better than Landorus-T, but otherwise great video!
I also agree but, I'm curious to know why lando is decreasing in usage/meta standing
the lack of strong ice types (At least in ou) would make me think it would be stronger, but it seems its not true
@@vj6078 in singles it was getting outclassed by great tusk. meanwhile, in doubles people usually prefer the incarnate form, cuz of sandsear storm + sheer force combo
@@vj6078although he is rising because adapting to beat his counter like dozo and tusk with his spa set
@@vj6078i'm sorry what i mean is has to compete with tusk and gliscor
@@QR14_Masahiyalando-T is about equal viability to tusk rn
"Rillaboom" is not a pokemon, hope this helps
Weird to not discuss the non-restricted pokemon in Ubers.
I didn't want to discuss them because them being banned to Ubers but not banned in VGC has more to do with the difference in rule sets, rather than them being overwhelmingly powerful, which I did not want to be the focus of this video.
Vgc bans mons based on their status (legendary, mythical, etc) which isn't the definition for actual power. Smoogon is a little more accurate about power scaling
U mean monsthatgot banned to ubers or have seen high usage in ubers but not limited to being used in ubers?
Sucker punch doesn't always go first any +1 priority can make it fail
But sucker punch has +3 priority. Do priority moves just make it fail? That'd be news to me.
@@unbearable505 it doesn't go on showdown and test it yourself
@@unbearable505sucker punch has +1 and therefore fails if any faster mon uses a priority
Wait so does Tatsugiri also faint when Dondozo does?
I battled against one, but the tatsugiri didn't actually fainst when dondozo dies
No, unless the Tatsugiri is taking damage from a passive effect like poison/sand, it cannot be hit and will still be on the field after Dondozo faints.
No.
lando
What about it?
I feel like dragonite really shouldn't be on this list because dragonite has never been good before gen 9 because it relies a lot on tera normal instead i would say pult since its been a lot better over multiple generations, still great video though!
agreed
Thoughts on this: 0:30
136 yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Paradox and Ultra beasts aren’t legendary’s with the exception of a few
I personally think Empoleon makes a good addition to this list as well! It's coverage has been useful for a long time, it's very versatile in movesets, and has seen plenty of usage in both Game modes for over a decade!
Nice
I think singles should have item clause
idk why it doesn't have it
Almost every official format has had it, back to GSC
Item clause isn't the problem for singles, and makes hazards a lot better due to ghold blocking removal, and ghold really isn't banworthy ever since DLC1. Limiting teams to 1 boots/lefties just limits defensive options.
A booster energy ban would be better than item clause, and even then, most teams really only have 1 booster mon so it doesn't even violate item clause
Surely there are better arguments than "every official format has it."
Rillaboom its too strong, it shouldnt have grassy glide and fake out
It’s very strong, but most meta’s are hostile to mono grass attackers. So it’ll often have to work in spite of bad matchups.
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Does raging bolt really use leftovers in doubles? I thought doubles rarely used leftovers at all
who told you that lol
But yeah Raging Bolt has used leftovers, but in the last format (Reg G) it was not too good due to the lack of a reliable electric type stab
Leftovers Raging runs Calm Mind, Protect, Thunderclap and Dragon Pulse, so it can be easily walled by Fairy types that stall Tclap
@maximilianohermosilla2544 idk i just assumed ten turn games didnt see enough value from leftovers for them to be worthwhile. I was vaguely aware they were niche but i thought lack of chip and doubling for kills would make them harder to justify
Does raging bolt really use leftovers in doubles? I thought doubles rarely used leftovers at all
leftovers is very common in vgc, just not as common as singles . like my vgc team doesn’t have it anywhere but many do
Also vgc has item clause which limits you to 1 leftovers per team.
leftovers is good next to rillaboom