Strength vs Skill In Fighting- What Matters Most? (Exercise Scientist Analysis)
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0:00 Strength vs Skill
2:36 Dustin Poirier and Brian Shaw
5:50 Mike Teaches Self Defense
8:58 Technique
10:51 Submissions
16:06 Bradley Martyn fighting
21:48 Taking a punch
23:22 Bradley v Nate Diaz
27:43 Take home points 
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The most underrated self defense technique is the 100 yard dash.
And the 2 by 4
absolut
When I was training in martial arts before my children were born a lot of my techniques that were intended to be adapted for the street ended with you GTFO of there. Especially knife and club defense techniques it was basically deflect and run like hell
Which is countered easily by, throw rock.
Nah its being a good grappler with basic striking a gun and good cardio you will be unable to run away if i grab you you will also be unable to get your gun without essentially giving it to the better grappler in that situation you need to learn to fight shoot and run if not you are inadequate as a human
"You're a podcaster buddy." One of the funniest lines I've heard in a while, Nate needs to put that on a t-shirt.🤣
I laughed way to hard at that lmao 😂
He said brother... you had one job
Aaaah I love it, I love it
reminds me a lot of soldier boy to homelander, "buddy you think you look strong? you're wearing a cape"
@@aguuug5139imagine he got a 1000 t-shirts printed then realised it’s meant to say brother 😂😂
My best (unsolicited and non-endorssed) advice for self-defense: learn that your ego is NOT your friend. Lots of excellent observation in this video.
Yarp. Don't let some noisy c'nt goad you into a fight, even if he's pushing you and asking if you were looking at his girlfriend. There's no shame in backing off or even running when the other bloke is looking for a fight and you're just out to have a quiet pint before bed. He's ready to go, maybe has something more stimulating in his system than the couple of pints you've had. So just get out of there.
The only thing I can remember from my garage MMA training was how to choke someone out, which I've actually applied twice. This works very well on drunk stupid people, not so much on someone who strikes without needing to be close. Or ground and pounders, I assume.
The reality is grappling, striking, wrestling, weight, reach, strength, power, speed, agility, endurance and toughness are all key attributes of being a fighter. You can give up a couple of those to your opponent and still win but the more you are lacking the more likely you are to be an inferior fighter. A strong, fit, agile trained fighter will outperform someone who is bigger but has never trained before. However a strong, fit, agile athlete will quickly develop more as a fighter once they start training seriously than someone who is weak, slow and unfit regardless of how many years they have trained. A guy like BJ Penn was dominating blue and purple belts in competition who had far more training experience due to how quickly he developed thanks to his natural athleticism and toughness. Bob Sapp had less than a year's worth of training when he knocked out once of the greatest kickboxers of all time and gave Rodrigo Nogueria, then the greatest ever BJJ fighter, the fight of his life simply because of how big, strong and athletic he was. Speaking as someone who competed in judo, BJJ and kickboxing, a lot of BJJ casuals who don't crosstrain or do any strength & conditioning would struggle badly in real or mma fights against people who do.
Yeah, in some (many) ways, ego is the enemy. Even for folks like, Brian "I would like to fight a bear to see how I would fare" Shaw. That was pure ego and stupidity there talking, though the guy is probably stronger than 99.8% or so of the human male population.
News flash, you are not stronger, nor tougher than even a 200lb female black bear, Brian. She would still hand your arse to you 99 out of a 100 times (and that one time would be pure, amazing, beat the odds luck). When we see bears "wrestling" people, we are seeing bears that are trained, well fed, and thus holding back/being deliberately gentle with the humans they are "wrestling".
@@justinw1765 Absolutely. Looking into the actual science of things, many animal muscle tissues outperform our own, in much the same way male muscle tissue is 8% more efficient than female. I believe there's at least one easily searchable study about gorillas like this. Understand I'm not saying ALL animals obviously, a bird isn't going to beat you at arm wrestling for instance, but a silverback or bear would snap it off and play with it before eating it.
yeah i remember being a beginner at my kickboxing gym and had to spar this guy who didnt know i was a beginner. dude opened up with a very acoustic and wonderfully impactful firm low kick into my inner thigh just above the knee and i legitimately just yelled "AHH" as i lost the ability to walk for about 5 seconds. i felt that kick for the rest of the evening.
Solid inside leg kicks add up quickly as well.
Why didn't you tell him that you were a beginner?
@@justinw1765 funny enough i went to a full russian gym and i do not speak much russian. also assumed the guy would recognize a new face, but the guy was on a hiatus as i joined as well so maybe he thought i came from another gym. in short i wasnt going to tell everyone im new, assumed theyd know.. :D
I boxed in college and have a blue belt in BJJ and those experiences were a real, humbling reality check. Size and strength matter, but skill is like a magic trick if you've never experienced it. I probably felt tougher before I actually learned anything about fighting. It's easy to feel "hypothetically" good at fighting when it's all imaginary or against untrained opponents.
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth
- Some guy who was pretty good at fighting
I learn how to fights by masterbating and crying for 10 hours a day non-stop.
If you want to fight me you should atleast masturbate and cry for 11 hours a day for 10 years everyday.
Great comment. How many people who have a healthy and humble outlook on fighting through experience start random brawls? It's almost always some jerk with a tough guy ego.
@@Volhv2001true and all, but ive read the intruder has been a quite sucessful high school wrestler at some point.
@@EmCiJan
Everyone has a plan until they get heel hooked in the knee - Italian pizza and pasta dude
5’6 240 at 10% BF is absolutely wild
I don’t think he’s 10% I think he’s 15 here
@@BenVattesyes brother your blind speculation > dr mike
Huge as hell, Chris Bumstead looks huge at 6'1 240, imagine this guy!
@@reyalsuked8622 do you really think he’s 10% tho? Or are you just blindly riding his meat 🍖
@@BenVatteshe is 19% to 21% bf
His carry gun tips are incredibly good.
Only for Yanks, unfortunately
He barely went over anything though lol, it’s like the first stuff they’d ever tell you at a ccw class
@@stuartfleming Yanks, Czechs, Scandinavians, many countries in S America, several countries in Africa...
I saw Big Z at the ultimate strong man in Ireland a few years ago. At one point he was 20 feet away from me, saying hello to the crowd and all that, when all of a sudden, he look at me while smiling. The size of his head was inhuman, and I low key shit my pants
I dont why, but I am dead😂😂😂😂😂
All I can think every time I see Shaw: Thank God he's nice.
What if he wasn't?
@@hanzo7616 Guns. We'd need LOTS of guns.
@@hanzo7616 ever saw a movie called the incredible hulk?
@@hanzo7616 Run. I could do :54 in the 400-meter run, not spectacular, but probably fast enough to beat a 400 pound plus giant. Then again who knows?
Biggest people are the nicest
Skill beats strength, but within the same fighting sports weight class exist for a reason.
Yeah, but it doesn’t matter how good at fighting you are. If a 6’8 440lbs guy charged at you, that’s it.
Size matters if you are skilled. If you arent skilled then it doesnt matter as much
@@him050 A 440lbs guy isnt charging anywhere. You mean slowly lumber towards you, and that is far from it. If you understood anything about footwork in any sport you would know how dumb you sound
@@him050 trip bro up, he'll probably smash his head on a wall- theres a clip of some massive woman fighting this small woman in an octagon, the big lady trips, falls, and knocks herself out lmao
@@kelakogreenaddict1888your understanding of physics is a little off, trying to trip someone that big would probably hurt you more than it would affect them. Plus, in reference to Brian specifically, he has superb balance because he is used to hoisting massive weights over his head with minimal effort and carries it with grace. Anyway, don’t snap your shin trying to trip a giant.
Love it that you put emphasis on learning Muay Thai for self-defense, there are a lot of grapplers out there that would push their own background. Very real analysis.
Hey Doc, great episode!
I’ve been training bjj for nearly 18 years and was a striker for years before that.
I love your realistic perspective!
Additionally, I have observed, the professionals and Alphas, tend to be very humble (mostly) and you would have to pay them to actually fight them.
There are levels to this you have to respect.
This guy isn't a doctor. No, PhDs should not be calls doctors in general daily life. When they do so it's an inferiority complex.
edging wins fights‼️‼️
Time to EDGGEEEEEEEE
Start edging to confuse the enemy 💯💯🗣️🗣️
Nobody attacks an naked man.
You haven't goon'd once in your life Michal don't talk about edging
W
You can't call this a complete analysis without going over what happens if you just start tickling the other guy, Dr. Mike. 9.5/10
Mike is well known for his ambush style of tickling. Usually in a public shower or a strategically placed urinal
I was playfighting with my lil brother who is around 4 stone heavier than me. I was getting the better of him quite easily, hes too slow, then he tickled me 😂 that shit threw me all the way off...i couldn't fight ater that. I just kept saying "what part of the game is this bro? You're cheating!" 😂.
@@user-xc4lr1se5n4 stone is quite the difference, I'm surprised he didn't just sit on you lol
the doctor is a very likable and down to earth man. best advice ever for self defense
I remember watching your videos a couple years ago about strength training, very great and well articulated information. This content now is pretty funny but still well put together. Its impressive honestly, great video with explanation and insight to go with good humor
Been a MuayThai coach 15 years, a bad power lifter for 10 years and have a physiology of exercise degree this video literally ticked all my boxes 😍
We all want our boxes ticked by Mike 😔
@@discipleofdagon8195 agreed brother agreed
Thanks for your resume.. And the degree is exercise physiology.. Not physiology of exercise 😂
that's awesome :)
the greatest comment I have seen a long time 😂
In my experience, a general rule of thumb is the bigger the difference in size/strength there is, the bigger the gap in skill needs to be to negate that strength/size difference. Obviously not an exact science but after training combat sports off and on for 13 years, and weight lifting for 8 years this is the general conclusion I've come to.
That's exactly what this video is saying.
And with the examples in this video, all the fighters were pros, so the gap in skill between them and the stronger guys was like the size of the grand canyon.
@synergyrevolution2332 yea I made this comment before hitting play. Mike knocking it out the park with solid content once again. Bodybuilding and fighting in one form or another are the only two sports I've ever followed in my entire life so this video had me hyped lol
Exactly....and at a certain point the Skill just doesn't matter. There is nothing Mighty Mouse can do if a Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Henry, JJ Watt type person was standing across from him.
Its not size, its Weight and this Is not related to size, we have naoya inoue, japanes boxer, who strikes like a truck besides Weighting 65 kilos. You want another example? Joe Louis who fought against a smaller oponent than him but his Weight was heavier thatn Joe, he won but It was a difficult fight even tho the smaller but heavier was just a clown with no skill. To summarize, what matters is the Weight and how fast can you transfer your Energy through your body
One thing that's overlooked is the explosive element that strength training provides, especially with dead stop training. Training yourself to recruit all your motor units under a load makes you a very dangerous person.
Your self-defense tips from 6-9 minutes in, assuming unavoidable physical confrontation, are spot on. Excellent points.
So I did some medium contact MMA sparring with a friend many years ago. He was a much more overall experienced martial artist and an instructor. I also had experience in both grappling and striking but mostly grappling (no-gi bjj type). Friend was a lot more of a striker. I am a lot taller and slightly heavier, I believe (+reach). He totally outclassed me in the striking department--it was a humbling experience. I didn't expect to win but I didn't know that I would be completely unable to do anything. He controlled the space perfectly. Most of the time he felt very far away so I could not hit him and yet when he wanted to he was suddenly somehow close enough to rock my face or buckle me with leg kicks to the side of the knee. I couldn't touch him or get close enough to grapple him if I wanted to. After some time he pulled guard on me just so we could do some ground work. I couldn't control his arms at all times so I was eating a lot of little punches to the face on the ground from both top and bottom and let me tell you that really inhibits your ability to focus and carry out your gameplan.
So yeah, the little pro boxer would do the same thing to the beard guy. I don't think he understands how frustrating and hopeless it feels when no matter how much you want to do something to the other guy you simply cannot. In other words: skill issue.
100% my experience. Struck at will and then only air. Had trained for 7 years and guy was a very low level pro
Muay Thai person here. Everything he said is accurate. Thank you.
One thing that's overlooked is the explosive element that strength training provides, especially with dead stop training. Training yourself to recruit all your motor units under a load makes you a very dangerous person.
@tonyverras2688 That's why giving a human mountain of muscle martial arts lessons is so dangerous. Knowledge is power, especially if you understand how to apply all that strength.
@@Nak_Muay_Farang11 Another thing is training long ranges of motion improves your mobility and injury prevention. so yeah, the specific skill along with preparing your body is important. weight classes still matter though. no 94kg dude is going to submit Brian Shaw.
@@Nak_Muay_Farang11what I don’t agree with him is that being able to land a teep or a low kick in a real fight is not “basic” Muay Thai. You need to train to understand distance, timing and power. Takes time, practice and lots of sparring.
@familiamorell3191 It's funny you said that. Starting out, the first two techniques I got comfortable with were the teep and the low, rear-leg roundhouse kick. They're the foundation of my entire arsenal now, so I eventually developed into what's called a Muay Tae fighter (kick-based), and I'm A LOT trickier with how I use them. Point is, those are, in fact, basic moves that can be used with high levels of strategy later on, kind of like a chess game. Especially when you learn how to fight dominant hand forward. Advanced Muay Thai is very much, in part, taking basic techniques and outsmarting your opponent with range management and footwork. Of course, good conditioning makes all that a lot easier
Thing with the pure grappling is that trying to do BJJ on someone like Brian only works when he's not allowed to rain 440lb elbows onto your face while you're trying to set up your submission.
Brian could also likely break a wrist by squeezing it if you've seen his grip strength videos.
Brian can stand on your chest and deadlift your arms off
i agree with mikes idea that its all about strength multiplied by technique, but with brians strength i feel he just needs so little technique. its like the tool box of moves at his disposal is so vast due to his strength, that he could just grab u and rip ur arm off like a chicken bone, meaning you have very little opportunities yourself because you haft to be ready for anything. if someone at 150 actually faught him, they would need all the skill and composure they could possibly muster.
🤣🤣🤣@@truthhurts6343
@@CobGobblin69yup real pro fighter could take him down at 150. If brian trains for a year straight he would take out everybody in the ufc bellator and k1 first round without a doubt. Imagine francis ngannou twice the size
@@sisyphusslayspuss I still doubt that. If Brian get hold of one of his limbs, the fighter's done.
This video is fantastic- I enjoyed this breakdown, funny moments and presentation. Great job Dr Mike and the RP team
Subscribed. Love this content. The insights, the self-deprecation and the real unsung hero; the background music. Kudos to you and your wonderful observations and self-awareness; all tempered with a refreshing lack of ego, which is a clear sign of someone who understands what it takes to excel in many things. This is all genuinely entertaining - looking forward to more :)
Probably one of the most realistic analysis of this I’ve heard in 40 years of teaching martial arts.
Wait, 40 years? You must be an octogenarian.
@@krane15
Not quite. Sixty yo.
@@georgekondylis6723hello, im thinking about starting my martial arts journey next year or in a few years. What do you recommend for starters? (Took 3 years of judo when i was younger but didnt really like it) Im 17 years old. Thank you:)
So you started teaching at 20? When did you actually start training then
@@user-ig8vm1ns4t my bro, different from weight training, a guy can start martial arts at 6-8 years old and, with 20yo, have 12-14 years of experience.
Since Brian filmed with Dustin he’s done loads of MMA training in preparation for a strongman fight that sadly fell through at the last minute. That would have been an interesting fight.
I'm just lmao thinking about that while watching this
that is some unpleasant information you have just provided me
He's too big for modern UFC
@@moracomole8090 he could fight in japan .
@@moracomole8090ufc needs a super heavyweight division it could be so fun
Subbed at 01:40 - great intro for a 'random' feed. Good job!
05:09 - 06:54 - Painful, sweet memories - from basic training to real world legal immunity!
Looking forward to seeing your back catalog...and I mean, catching up with your previous vids [can't be too careful these days]
One of my son's is still competing+ so i'll be seningd him your way to add to his theory.
Many thanks!
this is a funnier version MPMD, with fighting experience, and without all the PhD science terms. Really great down to earth video bro. Earned a sub. honestly perfect video, 10/10.
Skill matters “most” or “more”, but strength and size are definitely a factor. Those who say it doesn’t haven’t had a real fight in their life.
Speed also matters as force equals mass times acceleration. A lot of very big guys punch and kick very slow. Some medium to medium large guys punch and kick extremely, extremely fast. The lack of mass is made up by the increase of speed.
A tiny little guy like Bruce Lee had very little mass comparatively, but much more speed. You/anyone would definitely feel a punch from him.
How would it be a real fight if they dont weigh in the same? Think you're projecting buddy
@@standardFifa So all the street fights and bullying and stuff, you ask your opponent to weigh in first? lol
@@OhGeeGanksta not a real fight. street fights are over in less than a minute usually. besides just look at any huge bodybuilder try and throw a punch. size only matters if you know how to use it which most people dont
Size and Strength matter first, and this is coming from a fighter. Guy at 145 pounds meets a guy at 175 pounds and fights, I’m putting money on the bigger guy. Then skill matters second. That same 145’er knows how to throw a good jab, cross hook, move his feet, shoot a single and double leg, and likewise not get taken down or reverse a bad position in the ground, I’ve got him. Then when both of them have that same toolkit, my money goes back to the guy that weighs 175.
This isn’t taking into account individual style or training background (Striker vs Grappler) and it doesn’t take into account body types (height, reach, proportions) and of course genetic and mental factors
Mike's basic self defense tips are spot on. Been training all my life across a few different combat sports and a lot of those things are still the most common fallbacks. The basics are taught first for a reason. Get really good at them. In real time the highly fancy shit often whiffs or puts you out of position where faster or smoother basics would have prevailed. Lifting weights is much like this; Basic movements performed with extreme focus on technique render higher yields than gimmicks.
Thats why Fury struggled against Ngannou and and Joshaua walked right through him. Fury's style is a nightmare for high level BOXERS. All the feints, all the movement, it just gets into high level boxers heads, Wlad simply shutdown. Ngannou just kept his guard up and wasn't about to throw until Furry threw. Fury was playing chess but Ngannou was playing checkers. Joshaua seeing the Fury fight saw that Ngannou like all MMA fighters likes to parry. So he just did a simple level change to draw out the parry and threw the overhand right, g-night.
First thing of self defence should be just to get hell out of the situation, forget your pride or your wallet, run the fuck away! Second thing if cant immediately run- attack the balls (eyes or sack) then run. Cameras everywhere these days let authorities track them down.
sure you have kiddo - 'training'... flicking your bean and pretending you are the person on your favourite youtube videos...
@@Beets82 I really got to disagree with this attack the eyes stuff. The eyes are an extremely small target. You have never once in your life practiced gouging out someone's eyes against a resisting opponent.
Its not something you can practice at full speed with full resistance therefore it is useless. Better to rely on things that can be practiced at full speed against a resisting opponent jab, cross, hook, and leg kick. Then run away.
@@chonzen1764lmao no! Fury didn’t take Ngannou serious and came untrained, got caught and then took over the fight. You made up a whole scenario in your head, wild!😂
Love this podcast - Nate is so awesome. Thx for this one - hella entertaining
Fantastic video thank you ! Thoroughly enjoyed this !
Description of leg kick pain is 100% accurate!
not really. Le kicks don't hurt until after you sleep, or sit down for a while.
@@Dead_Goatfor someone with no conditioning it hurts like a mofo instantly.
@@Dead_Goatthat's not a real leg kick then. A real leg kick is the one that almost separates the tendons from the bone and you will instantly stop wanting to stand vertically.
@@Dead_Goat but your opponent can become off balance, so gives you the chance for a roundhouse or hook with your fists
@@siddifiedUFC level fighters just beat the shit out of their opponent's leg muscles with kicks. Think I'll stick to what they're doing.
In 2006, I had Matt Hughes as one of my jujitsu instructors, and I recall this very question coming up. He, as well as all of the other instructors, agreed that in a weighted fight, 9 times out of 10, skill will when. However, sometimes you will go against someone who stopped being a human being and is just wildly stronger than you, and there isn't much you can do. Watching that man take a leg kick and not even flinch is that 1 out of 10.
Pretty sure Matt was talking about people who at least know a little about fighting, like maybe some powerlifter dudes he knew who'd casually trained MMA for 6 months to a year or something, not someone who doesn't have the first clue about how to throw a jab.
Yeah and for some athletic strong people certain aspects of fighting kinda come natural to them and they are pretty decent wrestlers and strikers.
@@synergyrevolution2332are you really so insecure about your sport that you cant imagene there being a big guy that could beat that without skill? Bjj isnt the pineacle of fighting and no single sport will ever be.
@@karelenhenkie666 Are you so ignorant about grappling that you think you can take on a high level one if you're just bigger and stronger than him?
Sure, it's possible that _maybe_ someone with zero grappling skills can pull it off but it's extremely unlikely. You have higher chances of landing a lucky shot against a striker but a lucky choke?? Lol
Heck, even a lucky punch. What, you think you can just easily stay in position to land strikes against a grappler on the ground? 😂
If Ngannou or Stipe kicked his leg he would def flinch.
Former undersized UFC Heavyweight Champ Daniel Cormier has stated that he believes 6ft2 to 6ft5 is the perfect height for a Heavyweight in MMA unlike boxing.
You're big and strong enough to hurt anyone. But any larger can create issues with takedown defence.
Great one DOC , people will appreciate this in years and years to come, ooosssss
That is the best, most concise, self defense advice I have ever heard
He should’ve talked about former flyweight champ (mighty mouse) beating a 250 pound brow belt in a jujitsu open tournament, wouldve been a great follow up to the Bradley Martin portion of the video
totally
@@KootBear?
Demetrius Johnson is the GOAT of mma. Vast majority of fighters are not as good as him.
@@chunchumaru326and the vast amount of strong guys don't come near Brian Shaw
@@navnnavn1226 he didn't beat brian tho. The guy he beat was 248lbs.
Love the calm confidence of Nate. It’s quite telling of what would happen. It’s like Dr Strange calculating all potential ways he would destroy Bradley and there is not a single one he would lose.
I mean Bradley could win if he somehow got mount and kod Nate but it's highly unlikely no ground game but also Bradley smokes Nate in his world the weight lifting.
He would absolutely maul him with his boxing and both guys know it. But Nate knows it even a bit more. :)
It's just his job to exude confidence. The fighters have to, it's a slight edge. Size is hugely important, I don't think he stands a chance here. That's why weight divisions exist. It'd be like fighting a woman
@@damo9961these fighters would jump at any opportunity to fight this guy. The only reason why it hasn’t happened is because Bradley won’t agree to it when cameras are off 😂
@@damo9961 Nate Diaz doesn't stand a chance vs Martin? Roflmao. Come back to the real world m8
Dude! Best video ever bro, nothing but truth.
We don't turn around when you look at the camera. We appreciate you so much! Thank you for being vulnerable with us! You matter to us! Keep it up!
Depends entirely on how skillful and how strong. At some point, there is an insurmountable difference
Like a human could never defeat an elephant.
@@What-he5pr I can
@@What-he5prhumans have been hunting elephants and mammoths for a while buddy
@@AlpiusTheNatty "buddy" with spears and bows and in a group , and still some humans dying . were talking about one on one unarmed
@@AlpiusTheNattywithout any weapons? Or are you just changing the argument to if someone has a gun it doesn’t matter how big the other guy is?
But I'm 260
Of muscle ??????????????????????
Not now Brad
"Hi 260, I'ma fuxk you up" -Most Mma Competitor's
That would just make the ass whoopin even more embarrassing.
Think of something original bruh
Really enjoy listening to your content
This is great content: humorous and informative!
Muay Thai Coach for 15 years here and I'm also a BJJ Black Belt- I agree with everything you said. I love your content, very well researched. A strong balanced Teep, fast strong low kick and a good accurate cross can go miles to protect oneself.
The thing with watching Brian spar is he can never go 100%. He's so fucking strong he could probably pull your arm out of its joint
Bro he could rip them OFF. No question about it. In the old days this man would have to 1v1 Brad Pitt in Troy to free his country. There is not a sane person in this world that would fight him. Skill only beats strength when you don't look like a newborn next to them.
Dustin's best chance would be to wait til he gasses out if he can make it that long but it'd probably look like the Bloater getting his hands on Joel in the last of us.
With his Adrenalin going he could kill someone on accident, never mind ripping off limbs, he's nearly ripped a door off of a car after a traffic accident to pull someone out of a vehicle after a high speed head on collision he witnessed. Imagine trying to rip a door off a vehicle, someone arm would be cake.
@@egregiousblunder5395 actually a car door is significantly easier to rip off because the car is heavy enough to provide counterforce, if you pull someone's arm very hard you'll just pull them together with it. Also tendons are like .. 10x as strong as muscles, so you'd need some tons of force to actually rip them.
You would have to very suddenly pull and push the person at the proper angle, and what would most likely happen (if you were strong enough) is the shoulder would dislocate, putting the person's arm in a different angle which would dissipate the force quickly.
"but but, people tear their pec tendon all the time" true, but that's a little bit different, first of all the shoulder is pinned on a bench, second of all the person is actively trying to resist the weight from lowering on their chest, which means the person is actually the one putting force on the tendon. And the pec tendon is like the size of your pinky, but the pec muscle is huge. Shoulder tendons are much thicker and tougher.
People tend to underestimate strength of big people. My father was 6'5 when he was younger (he is 79 now) and built. He never trained, but was working at construction and later a chef, his hands are as big as others people face. He is still able to close the CoC 1.5 at 79!, which is insane for his age. When i was a kid he lifted us up like ragdolls, people usually were intimated by him because of his size and he always hold back when shacking hands.
Size matters, never try to get in a fight with anyone who is 6'3+ and also built. You will absolutly get trashed even if you have some experience fighting.
@@captnmaico6776 Someones size does not always dictate the outcome of a fight. I worked the doors of some of the hardest clubs in St.Louis, Germany and the UK, and it was rough. I saw a lot, and been involved in a lot and size does not always matter. This is solely speaking when dealing with the general public, now two trained fighters, yes, size will matter to a degree. I've seen a 5'8 150lb guy absolute cause chaos and I've seen smaller fellas get absolutely rag dolled. I've seen some monster sized dudes get slept instantly and others destroy multiple people. It just depends on the person and their opponents.
Thanks for this good analyses!
Before even watching the entire video, I want to poke the elephant in the room here and talk about how humble Brian Shaw has been since he announced he's been training MMA. I'm a BJJ Black Belt, and compete in Strongman. I also dabble in some Powerlifting, I did a Push/Pull meet earlier this year for funsies. Thing is, I trained BJJ before Strongman. I also started training when I was 15, so I got that humbling experience very early on in life. I hate saying it but I see a lot of other guys who aren't so humble about this topic but Brian, even just saying "I'm in your world brother" shows his humility during this whole thing. Like you said, he's just there for the experience. I love that. I've also gotten the privilege to meet him once at The Arnold, and he was just as friendly as he presents. My hats off to him for sure.
Brian is successful enough in his own specialty that he doesn't need to try to posture. Other than like Andre, he's very much possibly the strongest man to ever live.
Solid assessment on everything Mike. We need more people like you out here bringing reality to everyone. It's crazy how both the power/strength communities act exactly the same when in reality the answer is more in the middle.
What a treat of a video. As always hillarious!
Your response about fighting Brian Shaw is absolutely spot on. My dad has been training in martial arts for more than 40 years. The biggest my dad has been is 5'8" 170lbs and he has taken down some quite large, and trained guys. My dad use to work with a guy who was, not as big as Brian, but he was huge. Some of his coworkers, knowing my dad's history in training, asked my dad, "How would you fight a guy like (said the big guy's name)?" My dad simply said, "You don't."
That was really refreshing. I have a black belt in a martial art and I bring a solid basic level of athleticism to the table. And one of the best experiences to happen to me was the absolute humbling of stepping into the ring with an mma fighter a week before his fight. I’m was light sparring, and I’d had zero MMA training at that point. And it doesn’t mean I couldn’t make progress toward that level faster than someone who didn’t have my background. It does mean I was still conscious because of his discretion, not because of my skill or abilities. And I needed that reality check.
It’s good to be confronted with your own shortcomings now and again. That’s how you know to keep your ego down and stay a student somewhere. Keep learning. Keep training. Keep humble. And keep away from fights that don’t need to happen.
A true master is an eternal student 🙇♂️
@@stevearnold8265 Always. If I am not learning, I have nothing of value to teach.
@@stevearnold8265 Master Yi lmaooo
@@lm10_dxz91 Wuju…pass me that potion?
@@stevearnold8265 In me, Wuju lives on
Paul is not only a beast, but he is an awesome guy. I worked with his uncle, and every time I met him, he was just cool as hell and never gave off the feeling like he could put you in the hospital if he wanted to.
Paul is very cool, iron chin on the guy too even by fighter standards
Good editing and comment on the jumping backwards with him on his back. Good info. 😊
this is the best video i ever saw, i love ya video fam lol
This is quickly becoming my favorite channel. So good!!!
Avoid > Run > Gun > Fisticuffs
gun* if you live in a 3rd world country
@@sensei_... Gun if you live in a country that allows you to protect yourself*
100 lb insecure dudes hate this fact
@@mustang8206 happy that i never have the need to protect myself since I live in a civilzed country with logical däand helpful laws
Fisticuffs - what a cute word. My first guess was it translates to brass knuckles. Like little bracelets/handcuffs for your knuckles^^
i absolutely loved this video. Very well researched or justgreat experience. Also a very good instinct. First mentioning that it could be good to learn to fight with a bladed weapon but then just being uncomfortable what that just might mean and stepping a bit back from that. This shows how much you actually know and that you have a very good knowledge of what you yourself might be capable of. Trust me guys there are lots of people that will shoot somebody without hesitation but they cant coldbloodedly stab someone. So dont think that if youre not trained you could just stab someone. ive trained with knives and swords for over 6 years now plus im an ex soldier. I think i could stab someone if the situation called for it but i stopped carrying a knife for self defense assoon as i understood the principle of self defense better. The only reason i would use a (sharp) blade on a person is to protect someone i love....and even then im aware that i might still not be able to do it.
Thank you for this video. You present some very interesting and informative points on fighting and self-defense.
I saw a video of Brian Shaw at some bodybuilding competition; I think he was handing out the trophies. (I believe your video contained a still from that video.) There were several weight divisions. All of the winners looked like high-school boys next to Mr. Shaw. He looked like he could have thrown any one of them across the room.
Mr. Shaw's enormous size and strength remind me of something Josef Stalin once said: "Quantity has a quality all its own."
I genuinely love these types of videos. Mike is someone who's both a bodybuilder AND a martial artist. He has a good perspective on both strength and skill. Someone who's an amazing mix of size, strength, and skill in fighting is one scary mother fucker.
Please don't refer to BJJ as a martial art. It's not. It's tournament bullshit that's insulting to actual martial arts that are useful in the real world.
@@EvilChiId It by definition is a martial art no matter your opinion on it. Think top fighters are proficient in it just for fun?
Mister mike I have been watching everything you put out for a few months now and the sheer amount of common sense and knowledge of physics is astounding sir , I commend you 👍👏
Dude, love the way you explain Brian.... and you still did not come close to how big that guy is!!!!!
5:26 rolled my ankle a few months back and this describes the pain. Can't imagine feeling that in the face, leg, or chest and being able to move/function. Even weeks afterwards I had soreness in my ankle/foot.
More of these vids please! Really enjoy the heavy lifting x MMA overlap, which Dr. Mike is perfectly situated to talk about
Guaranteed this will be amongst your most watched videos after a few months. Great job
excellent commentary, thanks.
That was a really good explanation
This was a fun change-up from the usual content. Really enjoyed it.
i have to say mike that this is one of the best representation and explanation of what happens in real life versus what we imagine I've ever seen 👏👏👏
Just subscribed, intelligent commentary Doc...
this dude is awesome, idk how I just found this channel
I've been watching fighting and self defense videos on youtube for like two f*cking decades and this video just summarizes all my understanding of human 1 on 1 conflict better than any combinations of videos I could ever recommend to anyone. I am sharing this with all of my friends. Thank you Dr. Mike for everything, I've learned more about hypertrophy, nutrition strategy and physical progression towards my goals in the last 1 year since finding your channel (ok, and Jeff Nippard let's be honest) than in the prior 20 years of video game/medieval nerd knight/warrior/poet studies combined. Thanks for all you do.
Have you noticed messages disappearing in youtube if you don't censor swearing?
Dr. Mike, this was an amazingly entertaining video! I would love to see other commentary on fights and or Fighters!
Love the breakdown, and totally agree with assessment of strength/size vs skill. It's funny when you hear people post things in absolutes, "strength would definitely beat....". There are no absolutes, but like you say, skill trumps until you add a basic level of skill to the strength. There are so many variables, right down to the individual's head/mind for fighting. You could have a great stack of skill and strength, but....not the head to go with it, and that's a problem.
Best content I’ve seen in a lonnng time. I’m a bjj guy and I try to lift too.
You understand fighting so well. Very intelligent.
I'm an ex Muay Thai fighter. So many times I hear the funniest shit from my co workers (especially big dudes) about fighting. Straight away tells me you've never seen a high level striker. But it's also endearing at the same time.
The teep is a high risk move for anyone who isn't well trained. Better with a quick 1,2. Or maybe an inside calf kick, followed by a right cross, or left hook (if you're orthodox). My worst nightmare would be fighting on the ground.😊
5:53 “There’s only one thing you need to know about karate - guns beat karate. Every time.” - Stan Smith
Such a pointless comment.
@@ambientjohnny of course it is. Welcome to RUclips.
@@noahlangston This guy gets it 🤣
Depends on range, if you are already within hands reach, the Karate guy has a better odds. There are lot circumstances were someone has drawn on trained fighter and got disarmed and their ass beat. We generally call this the 3 foot rule, if they passed 3 feet you are straight fucked tho.
@@GreyfauxxGaming I think it comes down to fire arms competency. If the person carrying is properly trained (like for real), it's highly unlikely martial arts of any nature are going to be effective. I think most people who get into those types of altercations probably quick to brandish their weapon as a threat or "deterrent". They need more training, lots more.
The layers of self defense should be words, run, gun, hand to hand. If you can't physically get away from the situation and have to draw, that draw to sights to pull better be one fluid motion and that better be your only feasible option to save a life... So a life better be at risk, not just an ego.
If everyone operated a weapon in this manner, there would be very very very few stories of people being disarmed by anyone
Very entertaining, love it!
Great video! You are 100% right!
In his latest video Brian lifted 310 lbs with ONE hand on an extra thick dumbbell. He could very easily snap bones if he grabbed your arm
And he would need _skill_ to do that against a trained fighter.
You can't just grab a UFC fighter if they don't want you to.
@@synergyrevolution2332If Brian trained the bare basics of fighting for some time, not a lot of guys are gonna be able to beat Brian anymore.
@@michaelangelonousagi5419 So if he got some _skill_ right?
@@synergyrevolution2332 Brian with the bare modicum of skill would crush a lot more experienced fighters than he is.
@@synergyrevolution2332y right. The 6‘3‘ 250lbs ufc heavy weight champion can’t get grapped by Brian. If they fight without rules, life and death, Brian Shaw wins.
This video makes me miss MMA/ Jiu-Jitsu/ Ju-Jutsu class so much.
I hope i can start in 1-2 years again.
Love this kind of videos
why id you stop? for me it was a back injury
@@Bawks_FEET i moved away quiet a bit. New country, new job, more work. I try to study engineering in my free time since 2021 so hopefully im done in 1-2 years and can start again with JJ or BJJ class or maybe a different kind of MMA. Thankfully i never had injuries other than some nasty bruises.
Hope you doing better today.
Clinch work is also super important in a street fight. Work sweeps, knees and elbows. You’ll be in a great position in conjunction with a solid teep/low leg kick. Owwweeee
I dabble in kick boxing and boxing. some of these shots will make you rethink life
I bought a couple sets of gloves and face gear a few years back. Started out fighting my cousin and brother, body shots only. It was a blast. The first round with easy head shots I took one very mild jab with the head gear and intuitively knew i never wanted to do that again.
Nate is a beast. On top of his skill and no fear attitude his cardio is out of this world. Grappling is one of the most exhausting things I've ever done. Nate goes five rounds and barely breathing hard.
I would simply add that the third thing you should learn is how to CHECK a leg kick, which makes you have A chance against people who train casually.
Two things that go over most people's heads is fighting I.Q and mental strength. It's not just about skill and physical strength. That's why some fighters only look good while training.
Done boxing for years, skill gets you far in your own weight, going up against somebody much bigger and less skillfull will be a bad idea in most cases
if you are an amateur boxer and you go vs someone stronger and maybe 20 lbs heavier than you whos only had like 6 street fights the boxer would win the size difference is scary when its been trained at all but no training whats so ever then its not as big of a deal as ppl say
You’re a loser.
I train kick boxing, wrestling, and jits. I'm 300lbs and feel I could potentially walk through smaller guys in striking if I protected my face properly. But in grappling I get annihilated by smaller more technical guys.
If I can get them into top half guard with a cross face and underhook sure I'll smash em, but if they have a decent guard or decent stand up grappling and get me on my back or take my back, mate... I get smashed by people literally half my size on a nearly daily basis.
Grappling is king in unarmed fighting, and reality is noone is squaring up to kickbox you if you're running away, but if someone grabs you you can't get away and need to know what to do. Even if going to the ground in a brawl isn't smart, you need to know what to do when the fight is forced on you, and the only real way people can force a fight on you is by grabbing and holding you.
Well yeah there's a punchers chance... Jiu-jitsu is the great equaliser tho. Coupled that with wrestling or judo and you are seamlessly taking any opponent down. Now throw in kicks, punches, foot work, endurance to mix up and distract your opponent... you are taking anyone down.
What a likeable fellow.
Nice video.
Wow knowing that dr Mike is a bodybuilder I expected a totally different take from him. Had know clue he was brown belt as well. Smart guy and a good take
Skill beats power until you reach the breaking point of strenght, where just a single well placed hit just kills you :D
i agree with that. i feel like most adult males with enough skill and strength could reach a critical point. its as if how strong and skilled u get passes a critical point and you enter a upper echelon where everyone has more of less the same capabilities (bare handed evisceration) and when getting better you only get very marginal advantages.
Only if the person with the strength is actually _skilled_ enough to hit you in the first place.
Having canons against a handgun doesn't mean shit if you can't hit anyone with those canons.
I think its more that skill beats power, but one mistake is enough to ruin it all.
agreed
@@synergyrevolution2332Vice Versa, what happens when you realize your Handgun isn't penetrating their Armor?...If you don't have the Mass to make the Big Guy feel your punches, it doesn't matter how many punches you throw.
I sometimes feel like poeple forget that the smaller guy in these comparisons is a top level athlete and he is extremely strong for his frame. So its not just skill. They all have maximum strenght/endurance mix possible for their size of muscles.
The sheer speed, and the resulting inability to counter.
Like the difference between a baseball moving 50mph vs 95mph. Non trained people have only a negligible chance of doing anything meaningful.
Nate Are not strong at alle infact extremely weak and has the baddest and weakest punches ever!!!!
@marthepedersen1454 yet he wins a lot.
This guy speaks really really well!
What makes one respect melienenko was his humbleness and determination at being the greatest.
Gennady Golovkin is a great example of terrifying power and technique….He doesn’t look like much in street clothes…Middleweight boxer, walks around at low 170’s at about 5’ 10 ish and yet holds the highest KO % in MW championship history.
Almost anyone can train up technique for that "10x multiplier" but you have to be a genetic God to get the strength multiplier like Brian Shaw.
You're forgetting that there has been only one Floyd Mayweather
You can't take steroids for skill...
You're overestimating how easy it is to learn perfect technique
@@ryanwellington7493 Impossible, therr's no such thing as "perfect" technique
@@S.O.A_Zero That's wrong, there is optimal technique it's just different person to person due to differences in anatomy. Physics applies to biomechanics just as much as it would a car, joints have optimal positions for stability and force production. What you're saying is a misconception based on misinterpreted information you've probably heard from fitness influencers. There isn't really any such thing as a wrong technique as long as you manage load and volume correctly because tissues can adapt to most types of load as long as recovery can keep up with stress causing adaptation instead of degeneration, you do have to be careful of developing dysfunctional adaptations though like imbalances and tissue abnormalities due to remodeling.
BJJ black belt, 20 years grappling, dabbled in boxing, yadda yadda. Just commenting to second literally everything said. Excellent video.
True.
Judo Master Park would say 'does not matter how good technique if you get knocked out'.
Strength doesn't win fights, but it magnifies skill exponentially, it's much easier to win fights if you're strong and/or big as long as you've got some technique and actually somewhat knows what you're doing.
In high school (1985), after school fight. Hundreds of people and a few trucks (people on them watching) encircling the fighters. Mexican amateur gold glove boxer with over 100 fights, 5'9 140. White guy middle linebacker 6'3 240. Big guy quickly engages, grabs little guy and "escorts" him head first into the grill of the truck for a ko. I thought the boxer would win. In the confined space it was over in about 6or7 seconds. I for sure thought the boxer would win. Street fights are very dangerous cuz the environment plays a big role.
@stevelasley2431 true dude
As somebody who competed in muay thai in the uk and thailand for 15 years
It is absolutely the best martial art for most scenarios.
Yeah, I've done boxing, kyokushin, Judo and bjj, but 99 percenet of the fights are finished with punches, elbows and knees. I wish I did Muay Thai when i was younger
What do you mean by this? Most self defense scenarios? Low level Muay Thai guys have terrible footwork and head movement compared to low level boxers so tbh boxing is a more efficient way to train to defend against a typical attacker (haymaker).
@@joshuabrant7689leg kicks bro