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I was never taught a proper double stroke. At 42 years I decided to pick up the drums again after many years away. It took me 3 years to become competent with push/pull but now I don't understand how I ever got as far as I did without it. I practice with a metronome and pad every day. RUclips and content such as this has been incredibly helpful, god bless all the teachers out there doing good work like this
Thank you for this. I realise that when I try to increase speed, I revert to actually playing 2 singles with each hand in a sort of downward forced, almost buzz stroke of 2. Sort of works as in using mostly fingers. But there's a ceiling to it speed-wise as it is mostly fingers and now I realise if I'm to retain correct form as you describe up to high speed then I am a million miles away. This journey is long and frustrating. I return to this video almost daily at the moment, mainly for the comments at the end - 1 year...2 years...thanks again. Deep breath.
Thanks so much for your comments and I totally understand where you're at. When I was young, I did the same thing and just did Buzz Rolls instead of Doubles, lol. Once I went through the process in this video though, it totally cleared it up and you will get to a point where you can jump into buzzes whenever you want, and jump into doubles whenever you want. And, finally, no one is ever a million miles away - it's just time and consistency, and doing this process will bring the results. You can do it!
finally a video where the double stroke roll is explained perfectly, step by step, building and helping the mind to memorize each and every movement and positioning of the fingers on the drumstick. thank you so much for this video, finally i will be able to practice with the right teaching to be able to perform the double stroke roll.
There’s a plenty of great drummers across the globe. It’s possible that each and everyone of them just keep improving their skill the more the play and the more they listen to each other . All of these guys can offer exercises to help us. Your assistance and knowledge is truly appreciated . Great lesson 🙏
I actually do something very similar with my students. I used to think the pull stroke was unnecessary but I’ve come to believe it’s helpful to practice “forcing it” because it’ll be easier to “get out of the way” of the bounce in a real life scenario, particularly with the jazz ride cymbal where you need all that bounce energy to play fast effortlessly. The one detail I might add when it comes to the pull stroke is there’s benefit to practicing it very slowly, and getting the feeling of “forcing it” by retracting your thumb and extending your index finger while keeping the back fingers on the stick. Just my humble opinion. But great stuff.
Hey Nate, great to hear from you man and thank you very much for your comment. I have watched your videos for years 🙏 Totally agree. This video by no means is a comprehensive guide to all the various things one can do to build up their doubles, and I have omitted a lot of details. The point of this is just to get the basics of the push-pull down. Absolutely agree that at faster tempos bounce is needed, and on low rebound surfaces wrist action will be needed. Actually, developing the wrist for clean slow doubles is important too. That technique you describe sounds very interesting and I think I know what you mean, but it's difficult to be 100% from just reading text. I'd love to hear more. Thanks so much for taking the time to leave a comment and I loved your (relatively) recent Meinl videos. All the best man 🫡
As a 48 yrs old beginner who until recently never even had held sticks before, I truly am grateful for this double stroke video. I must've seen dozens of videos and there's not one who comes close to this video. Not only are your instructions and recommendations second to none, your humbleness is evident in the delivery of your guided instructions. Thank you buddy!
I've just tried every possible constellation of seat hight, snare hight, seat to snare distance and also grabing the stick at different fulcrum points. No matter what I do, the rear end of the stick always get's hung up on my leg and so I don't get it to bounce up into 12 o'clock position. I don't know what you're doing there, but it's black magic to me. Nice video tho, enviable stick control, cheers.
Haha bless you man, I feel your pain. A couple of things could be happening. The first solution: get that snare drum a lot higher up than how you're sitting. Some snare drum stands don't really go that high and I used to have problems like this when I started sitting higher for better bass drum control. For me, when I do the first stroke, there is about an inch between the rear end of the stick and my leg (actually a little less than that but enough so it won't strike my leg). The other thing is, are you doing this more in french grip? Sticking your elbows out can help with creating enough space for the fingers to start working their magic. Keep the fulcrum the same but make sure you're not sitting too close to the snare (don't start sitting super far away though as you need to reach all parts of the kit comfortably). Sometimes, using your phone camera as a mirror (or getting a mirror, lol) can help you see what's going on. Compare how you're doing it to other people and you'll start to see what's missing/different. Hope this helps!
I just bought a second hand electric drum set to fulfill a childhood dream. I absolutely love your delivery and explanation. I watched your video yesterday and practiced real good. Later that night I was goofing around and found myself doing a drumroll with doubles on accident! My brain was applying the technique subconsciously. I even had my son record it in slow motion to confirm! 😅 What's funny is I struggle doing it at a medium tempo. When I can rely on the FEEL, it's easy. But when my brain focuses on mathematical precision, I mess up. I'm working on bridging the gap. But YOUR VIDEO got me here! I've only been practicing for 2 days 🤯
Absolutely incredible! Very well done and I’m delighted that you got some value from this and even more, that it’s working already! Wonderful stuff, keep up the practice, and keep me in the loop on how it all goes. All the very best! 🫡
I was having a hard time understanding how the doubles work and how they should feel in my hands but this video helped me a massive amount! Crystal clear explenation and great excercises to build the speed! Big thanks from northern Sweden! =)
I've been playing the drums on and off for thirty years (self taught). I started on piano and brass when I was very young, so was musically literate when I started on drums. This is probably the most helpful video I've ever seen! Wish youtube was a thing when I was 13!
new drummer here and this video popped up and boy am I glad it did!! still working on singles but this is going on my drum playlist, I love videos with details!
There are so many videos on this topic, but this is one of the best. Clearly described, perfectly executed, who could ask for more. Well, one more perhaps: A demonstration of 16th at 200 BPM would have been nice as a motivation for the younger drummers. I will definetly recommend this stuff to my students. Well done, Sir! And greetings from Germany.
i’ve been drumming for my school for the past two years and i’m now going on my third, i’m so happy i came across this video! the way you explain and reassure that it’s okay to pause and take your time is something that i didn’t know i needed, thank you!
I've been searching for a long time and this is probably the best explanation and examples out there. Especially using the middle finger which is crucial here! Thank you so so much!
Best instruction I have seen on doubles, amazing good teacher! I really like the way you show all angles and slow things and explain things clearly. Thank you very much 🙏
Man, I'm so happy to hear this! Thank you so much for letting me know and taking the time to comment and I'm delighted you're seeing value and improvement! To more progression and all the very best!
So many online drum instructors have their personal way of showing the how to obtain a certain technique, however, you break it down in a way that clear, straight forward and with purpose. Hat tip to you Sir. Thank you. Subscribed.
im 3 days into my drumming journey, i was swimming through the course on drumeo when i suddenly hit my first real snag with double rolls. I'm so glad i found this video, I'm now able to do it at the tempo of the last exercise and i'm guessing I'll need to sleep on this a bit. but I'll be taking my practice pad with me through the house for every spare second of practice i can get. hopefully I'll master this double stroke soon, but I'm having a lot of fun practicing it in the meantime. amazing video, thank you so much!
Dude! Such a great comment; thank you and I’m so happy to hear! And yes, I know the sleep thing sounds a bit crazy but weirdly, it’s the breaks where all the progress happens (as long as you’ve put in the time!). I’m working on singles between my hands and feet at the moment and after a little break (1 week), I’ve come back to it with massive improvement! So, I’m so with you and you’ve got exactly the right idea. Keep at it my friend!
Thank you Ferg!!! You are the first person that has finally broken it down for me to understand the mechanics so l can start moving in the right direction... its been frustrating when you don't get it!!! Going to be interesting to see how long it will take me to get this down smooth..Thanks again!!
Impressed, I'm french in the middle of Bretagne trying to improve my double stroke (playing in a batucada's band), really nice video for beginners, weldone the fulcrum with the second finger for the push, it was exactly what I wanted to be confirm, thanks again, very clear and precise, even for my poor english👍👍👍
Ahh I’m so happy for you! It’s one of the best feelings ever when you put a bit of work in and it totally pays off 💙 Here’s to you shredding double strokes around the kit and all the best 🫡
Another great vid! I suppose I’d describe myself as advanced-intermediate so my doubles are pretty decent now, but it took ages to get them near where I wanted and I know they can still improve. So great to take it back to first principles again and brush up, and love the philosophy about drumming being all about time (in every sense)! Your content is great man and I hope to see your subscriber count shoot up - you deserve it! 🥁🎥🙏
Thanks so much man, really appreciate it 🙏💙🙏 And I’m glad to hear that someone of your level still got something out of this. It’s always good to go back to the basics, and I swear there’s a quote somewhere too about the very best players having just completely mastered the basics. Really appreciate your comments man and thank you - I hope all is well! 🤘🥁👊
Thanks man. And for sure, I'm definitely making a course on Singles on the site when that's released, and I will make sure one of those is free for everyone too. So, I will 100% put one of those on RUclips at some point. Stay tuned :)
Just getting around to finally taking my drumming more seriously and incorporating certain rudiments etc and this has been a massive help, the best I’ve seen on here! Subscribed, keep up the good work
Thank you man, appreciate it. And for sure, I’ll have a look at my schedule and see if I can fit that in. There’s quite a few little exercises that can make it a bit easier to get to those faster tempos.
Yo man, this video is fantastic and your method of delivering this tutorial is amazing. Gonna dive into a bunch of your other videos, my doubles have been lacking, I'm trying to push them hard but wrong tecnique is limiting me I think. Gonna try this and see where it takes me. Since this is the topic of double stroke roll.... fixing my doubles on my hands is paramount to my progress. But what about my feet, would love to see you do a similar tutorial on how to do doubles with a single pedal!
Dude, this is a really good idea. I can absolutely do a video on that and will add it to the schedule. Thanks for the idea. Sounds good on your hands and good luck with it! Thanks for commenting!
@@ferggriffindrums Thanks man! Honestly, big fan of your delivery. Keep it up man, I've watched so many double stroke lessons and this is easily my fav. Messed around for an hour doing this push/pull/finger action. Now to see how I play after 'sleeping on it' :)
Oh man thank you so much, I was in the middle of the process to learn doubles and was stuck, this video explains why. Now Im going back to learn it from the scratch
I can’t work out if you mean this is a bad thing? There shouldn’t be tension in your arm muscles.. Make sure to have a relaxed grip and if the stick is bouncing around the fulcrum in your grip, only little force should go into your arms!
@@ferggriffindrums It's a good thing, no worries ! 🙂 Maybe tension was not the right word...Let's say that i can feel now the motion working fine with the right muscle 👍
Hey man, thank you 💙 That’s the Reflexx Pad. I believe they’ve been bought by Zildjian now, so may say Zildjian on it. All the best and hope this helps 🫡
I think I know what you mean. You need to practice playing 1e with the bass drum whilst keeping the right hand playing 8ths note and left hand on the snare on 2&4. To practice this, play RH and Right Foot together, Kick on its own, and then the hat/cymbal. Once you’re comfortable with that, then start adding RH and LH together as the backbeat on beat 2. The rest should then flow.. Happy to have a lesson to help you with this further. All the best 🫡
I do a lot more in-depth exercises in private lessons, of course, and when I come to make my video courses on doubles and hand technique etc. on my website, you will find a lot more things like that. Glad you found this useful, tho.
Great breakdown, thanks! Could you explain a bit more how this can be achieved without rebound (you mention being able to use this technique on a pillow)? It seems like the stick rebounding back up is crucial to be able to go from the throw motion to the catch motion.
Sure man and great question. Essentially, this video is about teaching you the motions involved. In order to get fully comfortable with the motions, it can be useful to massively over exaggerate the movements (stick bouncing back up to 12 etc.). This will in turn help you understand what’s happening with the stick, and therefore, how to control it. At faster speeds and on surfaces with no rebound, the motion will be a lot smaller. On a pillow, the stick movement will be a drop catch around the pivot point or fulcrum you are using with your grip, rather than from the rebound. There is also force from the downward motion at play which will help you develop momentum for the second stroke. Having spent time exaggerating the movements, your fingers will essentially know how to pull out the second stroke, even without the assistance from the first stroke. I can play clean doubles on my thigh for instance and used to do long periods of time where all RRs would be on my thigh, and then after a few bars alternate so all LLs were on my thigh. After playing on a drum for long periods of time (and getting comfortable with the assistance of the rebound), try playing the doubles on your thigh, then the pillow. Pillow will be last to try once you’ve really nailed the technique. Additionally, on a pillow you will be using some wrists and arms to help you, but the fingers will be doing the same thing as in this video. Hope that helps!
Thanks for the detailed response! That progression makes a lot of sense. I’m just getting back into drumming after a long hiatus, but I remember as a teenager being able to play reasonably clean doubles like this on my snare but as soon as I went to a floor tom (let alone a pizza 😅) they got very sloppy and labored. I think at the time I just kinda picked up the technique by feel and didn’t follow a progression like you’re explaining. Going to start slow and progress gradually this time!
Haha the pizza thing is a Jojo Mayer reference/joke 😅 For sure man, doing it properly is exactly what will mean when you come to do it on the Floor Tom it works a treat! Glad it helped and all the best on your drumming re-journey! 🫡
That’s up to you a bit 💙 When you play the full stroke (after the SnapBack), there will be a bit generated from the arm, naturally. As you increase the tempo more of the movement will come from the wrist, but there will still be a bit of arm when you get to the fast tempo. Don’t worry too much on the intricacies. As you keep doing it, it will feel more natural and the body will figure out what to do. Putting in the reps is what’s important 🫡
Hi,, I like your video and your step-to-step-approach, that motivates me to join in. However, I saw the following problem with my double stroke when I recorded myself with my cell phone: with my weak left hand, the first stroke is as it should be. After the second hit, however, the stick always moves to the right towards the middle. This not only looks strange, but also sounds strange. Do you have any idea what this could be and how I can get rid of it? Many greetings from Germany Dennis
Hey Dennis, thanks for getting in touch. At this point, I wouldn’t worry about that. As long as the stick is coming down and creating the second hit, it doesn’t matter if it’s not at a completely perfect angle. Some of the best drummers in the world have sticks that go off in weird angles when they’re playing fast, intricate patterns. If it sounds good and it’s not impeding you achieving your goals, don’t worry about it 😜 Having said that, I know this sounds strange but willing the stick to hit the centre of the drum, really focusing and having that as a conscious priority in your mind, is what will help you overcome this. All the best!
Sorry to hear that Terry. Just like anything, it requires a lot of time, practice, consistency, and a serious extra dosage of patience. Follow the steps in the video and you will get there. Good luck 🫡
The stick should bounce up, if your grip is correct, so there’s no need to use your wrist to get it back to 12 o’clock. If you use a little bit of wrist do that, that’s probably okay as long as you can still snap back with the fingers. Is hard to say without seeing you do it. And I’m not sure exactly what you mean on narrowing the gap. As you play it faster, the movement will get very small (the stick will come nowhere near 12 before you have snapped it back), so I think, no that is not compromising the technique. It’s just good to over exaggerate the technique at the beginning so your brain learns the motor function. Hope this helps 😂
@@ferggriffindrums Thanks for the help man. Do you have a video on proper grip. I'm pretty sure I have it right but maybe you have a video that describes grip or you know a video that does.
It’s a tough question to answer. Essentially, the more you practice it, the quicker it will get better. The other thing on this is: if you practice for an hour a day, you’ll sound like you practice for an hour a day, if you practice for 4 hours a day, you’ll sound like you practice for 4 hours a day. Practice as much as you can whilst you’re motivated, and sometimes a bit of discipline helps for when you’re not motivated. All the best 🫡
Ive got my push/pull down pretty tight over the last couple years but yesterday i recommended them in a comment section to a beginner and the poster of the video commented to say he began with Push/Pull but then later realized he could get better doubles without just using push pull. I think he was either mistaking push pull for moeller or he wasnt practicing his push pull in full strokes to get consistent powerful hits on each stroke. Either way i watched some videos to see if i was actually the one missing something. Thats how i ended up here. And i noticed in your example your stick doesnt come all the way back to starting position after the pull. Is that just for the sake of explaining the technique simply to beginners or do you normally not bring the stick all the way back after your pull stroke? I was just curious because i wasnt able to get each stoke to sound as clean and consistent until i started intentionally having each stroke start and end at the same height. It just takes a slightly looser grip and a bit more practice to get there. But i will say that the faster i play the doubles the more the pull stroke lands lower than the push stroke rebound. Anyways, im a guitar player primarily so ii truly am always questioning my technique and comparing it to others possibly to my detriment at times lol.
Well, I agree with you on some points. This video is specifically designed for getting the push pull going. When you play doubles on a surface with little to no rebound, you’ll need to use your wrists a lot to make sure you have a powerful downstroke. The SnapBack will come easier that way. And, I think I know what you mean on the stick coming back and I think it’s related to the above. Basically, the first stroke is generated with the arm wrist, so when you do the SnapBack your other hand should be raised and ready for the double. So when you do one double, the other hand/arm/wrist resets. Does that make sense?
It can be. When you’re going faster the movement will get a lot smaller, even smaller than 40/45 degrees. You want to make sure that it comes right up at the beginning tho to make sure you have the technique down, then you can speed it up and practice the smaller movement. You may already be there!
@@ferggriffindrums thank you so much for replying back i leart drums back when i was 13 but could never own one though now i get to play it just for 30 min in my college i learnt only beats and no rudiments except for single strokes and now i want to work on my technique and things i never payed attention to i am kind of confused as to at which level i might be right now 😥
It won’t take you forever, my friend 💙 As I say in the video, often the breaks (and sleeping, lol) is where the progress happens. Put in the time, have a rest, and when you come back to it (providing you’ve truly put in the time), you’ll have made good progress. Like anything, small steps is where the magic is and enjoying the journey (and small wins!) is what will keep you going.
Geez, it took you about a year and change before you could incorporate double stroke effects in your music? That's a scary thought. I'm not getting much younger these days. Better get to work then eh?
I mean this also depends on how much you do them per day. Can probably have pretty consistent execution of them in just a couple months or less. But mastery of doubles, yes I’d say a year or 2. You’ll be surprised how quick you get them if you give it a go with a long time horizon and start to enjoy the daily practice though. Good luck!
@@ferggriffindrums Thank you for the words of encouragement. The pandemic completely knocked the wind out of my sails a few years back. My pursuit of music died back then and I'm trying to reignite the spark.
@@christophercarlone9945 Nice man. And yeah, that was a weird time for most of us, lol. I get it. When inspiration is lacking, try just playing to your favourite tracks or trying to play in the vein of your drumming heroes. That usually helps and gets you back on the kit. Keep at it man and good luck
That’s a taste thing man. I’m sorry but I won’t be able to cater to everyone’s tastes. If I did, I wouldn’t be able to do anything, as there will always be something someone doesn’t like. There will be parts of my content that you don’t like, but hopefully there will be things in there which help you learn something too. All the best! 🫡
Obviously it's not your cup of tea, there are other ways to build a double stoke roll, as for the stiff arms, that's nonsense, I've been doing doubles this way for 25 years, if done properly in the way this chap says, then stiff arms won't happen.
It's A way to do doubles. Obviously there are more options. I personally like to use the rebound of my practice pad for speed, it just feels more effortless.
O double stroke master, show us how it should need done. Oh wait, you’re on a burner account with zero videos to back your BS up. It’s amazing how “brave” someone is when they hide behind burner account.
Haha so happy to hear this! It's def the solution but does take a bit of time to get down; patience is key on this journey. Thanks so much for commenting and hope all is well 👊
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In 20 years of drumming, I practiced all kinds of rolls 15 minutes a day. And just when I thought I got them right, somebody else taught me better 😅
Haha this is a feeling I feel all too often too, my friend 🙏 Glad it helped and see you in the next one 👊
I was never taught a proper double stroke. At 42 years I decided to pick up the drums again after many years away. It took me 3 years to become competent with push/pull but now I don't understand how I ever got as far as I did without it. I practice with a metronome and pad every day.
RUclips and content such as this has been incredibly helpful, god bless all the teachers out there doing good work like this
Super glad to hear you found this useful @stevebravo1422!
I feel you
Thank you for this. I realise that when I try to increase speed, I revert to actually playing 2 singles with each hand in a sort of downward forced, almost buzz stroke of 2. Sort of works as in using mostly fingers. But there's a ceiling to it speed-wise as it is mostly fingers and now I realise if I'm to retain correct form as you describe up to high speed then I am a million miles away. This journey is long and frustrating. I return to this video almost daily at the moment, mainly for the comments at the end - 1 year...2 years...thanks again. Deep breath.
Thanks so much for your comments and I totally understand where you're at. When I was young, I did the same thing and just did Buzz Rolls instead of Doubles, lol. Once I went through the process in this video though, it totally cleared it up and you will get to a point where you can jump into buzzes whenever you want, and jump into doubles whenever you want. And, finally, no one is ever a million miles away - it's just time and consistency, and doing this process will bring the results. You can do it!
finally a video where the double stroke roll is explained perfectly, step by step, building and helping the mind to memorize each and every movement and positioning of the fingers on the drumstick. thank you so much for this video, finally i will be able to practice with the right teaching to be able to perform the double stroke roll.
So glad to hear this, man. Thanks so much and so glad the video was insightful for you. Let me know how you progress and good luck! 👊
There’s a plenty of great drummers across the globe. It’s possible that each and everyone of them just keep improving their skill the more the play and the more they listen to each other . All of these guys can offer exercises to help us. Your assistance and knowledge is truly appreciated . Great lesson 🙏
Thank you very much 🙏 Appreciate that a lot 💙
Excellent video, really clear explanation
Thanks man, hope it’s helpful 🤘🥁👊
I actually do something very similar with my students. I used to think the pull stroke was unnecessary but I’ve come to believe it’s helpful to practice “forcing it” because it’ll be easier to “get out of the way” of the bounce in a real life scenario, particularly with the jazz ride cymbal where you need all that bounce energy to play fast effortlessly. The one detail I might add when it comes to the pull stroke is there’s benefit to practicing it very slowly, and getting the feeling of “forcing it” by retracting your thumb and extending your index finger while keeping the back fingers on the stick. Just my humble opinion. But great stuff.
Hey Nate, great to hear from you man and thank you very much for your comment. I have watched your videos for years 🙏 Totally agree. This video by no means is a comprehensive guide to all the various things one can do to build up their doubles, and I have omitted a lot of details. The point of this is just to get the basics of the push-pull down. Absolutely agree that at faster tempos bounce is needed, and on low rebound surfaces wrist action will be needed. Actually, developing the wrist for clean slow doubles is important too. That technique you describe sounds very interesting and I think I know what you mean, but it's difficult to be 100% from just reading text. I'd love to hear more. Thanks so much for taking the time to leave a comment and I loved your (relatively) recent Meinl videos. All the best man 🫡
Thanks a lot man, great instructor
Thanks dude, appreciate that a lot and glad you dig 🙏💙🙏
As a 48 yrs old beginner who until recently never even had held sticks before, I truly am grateful for this double stroke video. I must've seen dozens of videos and there's not one who comes close to this video. Not only are your instructions and recommendations second to none, your humbleness is evident in the delivery of your guided instructions. Thank you buddy!
Thank you so much man, so grateful for your words and super glad this was useful to you. Good luck and you’ll have it down in no time!
I've just tried every possible constellation of seat hight, snare hight, seat to snare distance and also grabing the stick at different fulcrum points. No matter what I do, the rear end of the stick always get's hung up on my leg and so I don't get it to bounce up into 12 o'clock position. I don't know what you're doing there, but it's black magic to me. Nice video tho, enviable stick control, cheers.
Haha bless you man, I feel your pain. A couple of things could be happening. The first solution: get that snare drum a lot higher up than how you're sitting. Some snare drum stands don't really go that high and I used to have problems like this when I started sitting higher for better bass drum control. For me, when I do the first stroke, there is about an inch between the rear end of the stick and my leg (actually a little less than that but enough so it won't strike my leg). The other thing is, are you doing this more in french grip? Sticking your elbows out can help with creating enough space for the fingers to start working their magic. Keep the fulcrum the same but make sure you're not sitting too close to the snare (don't start sitting super far away though as you need to reach all parts of the kit comfortably). Sometimes, using your phone camera as a mirror (or getting a mirror, lol) can help you see what's going on. Compare how you're doing it to other people and you'll start to see what's missing/different. Hope this helps!
I just bought a second hand electric drum set to fulfill a childhood dream. I absolutely love your delivery and explanation. I watched your video yesterday and practiced real good. Later that night I was goofing around and found myself doing a drumroll with doubles on accident! My brain was applying the technique subconsciously. I even had my son record it in slow motion to confirm! 😅 What's funny is I struggle doing it at a medium tempo. When I can rely on the FEEL, it's easy. But when my brain focuses on mathematical precision, I mess up. I'm working on bridging the gap. But YOUR VIDEO got me here! I've only been practicing for 2 days 🤯
Absolutely incredible! Very well done and I’m delighted that you got some value from this and even more, that it’s working already! Wonderful stuff, keep up the practice, and keep me in the loop on how it all goes. All the very best! 🫡
I was having a hard time understanding how the doubles work and how they should feel in my hands but this video helped me a massive amount! Crystal clear explenation and great excercises to build the speed! Big thanks from northern Sweden! =)
Thanks so much, man, and I’m delighted to hear this helped you! Keep plugging away at it and you’ll have it down before you know it. All the best 🫡
I've been playing the drums on and off for thirty years (self taught). I started on piano and brass when I was very young, so was musically literate when I started on drums.
This is probably the most helpful video I've ever seen!
Wish youtube was a thing when I was 13!
Dude(!), am so happy to hear that! Thanks so much and am super glad you found it helpful. All the very best 🫡
new drummer here and this video popped up and boy am I glad it did!! still working on singles but this is going on my drum playlist, I love videos with details!
Love it man and thank you for checking it out! 🙏 Glad you enjoyed it and good luck on your drumming journey! 💙
There are so many videos on this topic, but this is one of the best. Clearly described, perfectly executed, who could ask for more. Well, one more perhaps: A demonstration of 16th at 200 BPM would have been nice as a motivation for the younger drummers. I will definetly recommend this stuff to my students. Well done, Sir! And greetings from Germany.
Wow, thanks so much man. Appreciate that a lot 💙 And all of the beginning rolls in the intro of the video are 16th Notes at 200 BPM 🫡
This is the best double stroke video I've watched so far
So glad to hear this man and thank you for your comment 💙
i’ve been drumming for my school for the past two years and i’m now going on my third, i’m so happy i came across this video! the way you explain and reassure that it’s okay to pause and take your time is something that i didn’t know i needed, thank you!
Ahh I’m so glad this was useful to you! Delighted to hear you’re making progress and good luck with the rest of it! 💙
Man, you are a genius, I start playing drums 2 years ago and you are the only that have help me with this!!! 10/10
Ah man, I’m so happy to hear that! Thank you and I’m glad this was useful to you! 💙
I've been searching for a long time and this is probably the best explanation and examples out there. Especially using the middle finger which is crucial here!
Thank you so so much!
Thanks so much, Pascal. I’m glad it was useful to you, man 💙🥁👊
Best instruction I have seen on doubles, amazing good teacher! I really like the way you show all angles and slow things and explain things clearly. Thank you very much 🙏
Thank you so much! Really appreciate your kind words and super glad this was helpful to you. All the best! 🫡
Mate because of watching your tutorial my doubles have improved massively just in a few days!
Man, I'm so happy to hear this! Thank you so much for letting me know and taking the time to comment and I'm delighted you're seeing value and improvement! To more progression and all the very best!
So many online drum instructors have their personal way of showing the how to obtain a certain technique, however, you break it down in a way that clear, straight forward and with purpose. Hat tip to you Sir. Thank you. Subscribed.
Thanks so much man and glad this helped 👊
Thank you so much for sharing these secret weapons for modern drummers. Very original video
No worries at all man, glad it helped 🫡
Great video!!
Thank you Stephen 💙
Most Excellent Presentation ✝️👍🤙✌️
Thank you Damian and thank you for commenting! 💙
Excellent video man you deserve more subs
Thank you, dude, I appreciate that 💙
Finally got it thanks to you
Huge thanks bro !
Stoked as hell you go it man! Great work!
Got it*
Was trying to find a video for my student about doubles. This is the most accurate and technically right video so far. Thank you man!
Dude! Very glad to hear this and thank you very much!
Thank you for slowing the movements down it really helps, not many videos would walk us through like your video does 👌❤️
Thanks man, am glad it was helpful to you and no problem. It’s what I would have wanted when I was learning it! All the best 🫡
im 3 days into my drumming journey, i was swimming through the course on drumeo when i suddenly hit my first real snag with double rolls. I'm so glad i found this video, I'm now able to do it at the tempo of the last exercise and i'm guessing I'll need to sleep on this a bit. but I'll be taking my practice pad with me through the house for every spare second of practice i can get. hopefully I'll master this double stroke soon, but I'm having a lot of fun practicing it in the meantime. amazing video, thank you so much!
Dude! Such a great comment; thank you and I’m so happy to hear! And yes, I know the sleep thing sounds a bit crazy but weirdly, it’s the breaks where all the progress happens (as long as you’ve put in the time!). I’m working on singles between my hands and feet at the moment and after a little break (1 week), I’ve come back to it with massive improvement! So, I’m so with you and you’ve got exactly the right idea. Keep at it my friend!
Thank you Ferg!!! You are the first person that has finally broken it down for me to understand the mechanics so l can start moving in the right direction... its been frustrating when you don't get it!!! Going to be interesting to see how long it will take me to get this down smooth..Thanks again!!
So happy to hear this, Mike, and delighted it's got you going! Thanks for commenting and hope all is well 👊
Boy this was enlighting. Just what i was looking for.. Fantastic job
Thank you Paul and I’m super happy it’s helping you 🫡
Love it! Break it down to an atom level. More tutorials please
Thanks man and super glad you liked it. Will do. Let me know if there's anything specific you'd like me to cover too :)
Impressed, I'm french in the middle of Bretagne trying to improve my double stroke (playing in a batucada's band), really nice video for beginners, weldone the fulcrum with the second finger for the push, it was exactly what I wanted to be confirm, thanks again, very clear and precise, even for my poor english👍👍👍
Very glad to hear the video was helpful man 🙏 Thanks for taking the time to comment and hope all is well 🫡
Thanks!
No worries and glad it helped. Thanks for commenting 👊
Best double-strokes explanation ever, and your voice is a pleasure to be listened. A new subscriber from Italy, keep up the good work!
Thanks so much man, appreciate that a lot and delighted to have you as part of the community! All the best 🫡
I'm crying right now, 'cause this is the first time, I was able to do this. Thank you so much! This video was brilliant. ❤❤❤
Ahh I’m so happy for you! It’s one of the best feelings ever when you put a bit of work in and it totally pays off 💙 Here’s to you shredding double strokes around the kit and all the best 🫡
THANK YOU YOUNG MAN REDEVELOPING MY DISIPLINE
Thank you, Sir, and no problem at all! 🫡
Thank you so much. That was an amazing lesson for someone like me!
Awesome man, am so glad it was useful 🙌🥁👊
Another great vid! I suppose I’d describe myself as advanced-intermediate so my doubles are pretty decent now, but it took ages to get them near where I wanted and I know they can still improve. So great to take it back to first principles again and brush up, and love the philosophy about drumming being all about time (in every sense)! Your content is great man and I hope to see your subscriber count shoot up - you deserve it! 🥁🎥🙏
Thanks so much man, really appreciate it 🙏💙🙏 And I’m glad to hear that someone of your level still got something out of this. It’s always good to go back to the basics, and I swear there’s a quote somewhere too about the very best players having just completely mastered the basics. Really appreciate your comments man and thank you - I hope all is well! 🤘🥁👊
Super tutorial
Thanks man. Super glad it was helpful 💙
Very great video, just started drumming around a month ago and have seen lots of development because of this video, thanks! 😁
So glad to hear that, man. And, WELCOME TO THE DRUMMING COMMUNITY 🤘🥁👊 (the best instrument 😝)
Excellent video! Thanks so much for your clear explanation! Congratulations from Brazil!
Wow, Brazil! Super cool. Thank you and glad this was helpful 🙏💙🙏
Thanks for making such an informative and useful instructional video! Well done.
Glad it was useful brother and thank you very much 🫡
This is excellent. Can you please make a video on single stroke roll speed tips?
Thanks man. And for sure, I'm definitely making a course on Singles on the site when that's released, and I will make sure one of those is free for everyone too. So, I will 100% put one of those on RUclips at some point. Stay tuned :)
Dude you’re awesome, I love you thanks by the way
Thanks so much man and glad this was helpful 💙🙏💙
Vey useful practical advice!
Thanks man, I’m glad it was useful 🫡
Best tutorial I've found so far. Thank you so much!
No worries and super glad to hear you liked it 🙏 All the best 👊
Bloody fabulous. Best doubles tutorial ever x
Thanks so much and I’m so glad it was of value 💙
New subscriber. Great lesson. I really like your teaching style!
Thanks so much and I’m so glad 💙 Welcome to the community! 🙏🥁👊
Just getting around to finally taking my drumming more seriously and incorporating certain rudiments etc and this has been a massive help, the best I’ve seen on here! Subscribed, keep up the good work
Thanks so much, man, and super glad to hear. Glad it helped 👊
Thank you man! Much appreciated
Thank you brother and glad this was useful to you!
Great video on the doubles technique. Could you do a video on reaching the higher tempos from around 160 to 200 bpm with 16th. Cheers
Thank you man, appreciate it. And for sure, I’ll have a look at my schedule and see if I can fit that in. There’s quite a few little exercises that can make it a bit easier to get to those faster tempos.
Yo man, this video is fantastic and your method of delivering this tutorial is amazing. Gonna dive into a bunch of your other videos, my doubles have been lacking, I'm trying to push them hard but wrong tecnique is limiting me I think. Gonna try this and see where it takes me. Since this is the topic of double stroke roll.... fixing my doubles on my hands is paramount to my progress. But what about my feet, would love to see you do a similar tutorial on how to do doubles with a single pedal!
Dude, this is a really good idea. I can absolutely do a video on that and will add it to the schedule. Thanks for the idea. Sounds good on your hands and good luck with it! Thanks for commenting!
@@ferggriffindrums Thanks man! Honestly, big fan of your delivery. Keep it up man, I've watched so many double stroke lessons and this is easily my fav. Messed around for an hour doing this push/pull/finger action. Now to see how I play after 'sleeping on it' :)
@@Zursen haha love it, dude! Am so glad this has been handy! Best of luck with it and patience, consistency, and determination is all that's required!
Excellent, thank you...🥁
Thank you!
Oh man thank you so much, I was in the middle of the process to learn doubles and was stuck, this video explains why. Now Im going back to learn it from the scratch
SO happy to hear this man! Here’s to all the progress you’re about to unfold! 🫡
Great video, very useful, Thanks
Glad to hear it and thanks for commenting man 💙
With this video, i've now understood how to make the hand motion works. Now i can feel some tension in my front arms muscles.
Thank you.
I can’t work out if you mean this is a bad thing? There shouldn’t be tension in your arm muscles.. Make sure to have a relaxed grip and if the stick is bouncing around the fulcrum in your grip, only little force should go into your arms!
@@ferggriffindrums It's a good thing, no worries ! 🙂
Maybe tension was not the right word...Let's say that i can feel now the motion working fine with the right muscle 👍
I'm very happy to hear that man, great news and thank you for clarifying!@@Phil671
you are incredible. i havent mastered it but i can tell it will work. after years of failing, wish me luck
Thank you man 🙏 100% it will work; time, effort, and consistency is the only other thing needed 🫡 All the best!
Amazing context here! Love this video!
I have a quick question. For the black pad, what brand is it? Thank your 😊
Hey man, thank you 💙 That’s the Reflexx Pad. I believe they’ve been bought by Zildjian now, so may say Zildjian on it. All the best and hope this helps 🫡
I hope this gets answered how to solve the cymbals doubling when you do double kick like when i hit the bass two times my right cymbals does the same
I think I know what you mean. You need to practice playing 1e with the bass drum whilst keeping the right hand playing 8ths note and left hand on the snare on 2&4. To practice this, play RH and Right Foot together, Kick on its own, and then the hat/cymbal. Once you’re comfortable with that, then start adding RH and LH together as the backbeat on beat 2. The rest should then flow.. Happy to have a lesson to help you with this further. All the best 🫡
Excellent!!!
Thank you and glad it was helpful 💙
good video thanks
No problem and thank you for watching!
Valuable!
Thank you 💙
It's a great video, I would like to see where you condense the motion (stop the stick before 12o clock)
I do a lot more in-depth exercises in private lessons, of course, and when I come to make my video courses on doubles and hand technique etc. on my website, you will find a lot more things like that. Glad you found this useful, tho.
Great!
Thank you 🫡
Thank you Aragorn son of Arathorn.
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@@ferggriffindrums Without kidding, it helped me a lot hahaha
@@josegarcia-ge9yw Haha glad to hear it man
Great breakdown, thanks! Could you explain a bit more how this can be achieved without rebound (you mention being able to use this technique on a pillow)? It seems like the stick rebounding back up is crucial to be able to go from the throw motion to the catch motion.
Sure man and great question. Essentially, this video is about teaching you the motions involved. In order to get fully comfortable with the motions, it can be useful to massively over exaggerate the movements (stick bouncing back up to 12 etc.). This will in turn help you understand what’s happening with the stick, and therefore, how to control it. At faster speeds and on surfaces with no rebound, the motion will be a lot smaller. On a pillow, the stick movement will be a drop catch around the pivot point or fulcrum you are using with your grip, rather than from the rebound. There is also force from the downward motion at play which will help you develop momentum for the second stroke. Having spent time exaggerating the movements, your fingers will essentially know how to pull out the second stroke, even without the assistance from the first stroke. I can play clean doubles on my thigh for instance and used to do long periods of time where all RRs would be on my thigh, and then after a few bars alternate so all LLs were on my thigh. After playing on a drum for long periods of time (and getting comfortable with the assistance of the rebound), try playing the doubles on your thigh, then the pillow. Pillow will be last to try once you’ve really nailed the technique.
Additionally, on a pillow you will be using some wrists and arms to help you, but the fingers will be doing the same thing as in this video. Hope that helps!
When I launch my website I’ll show you on camera. It’s easier to see than describe!
Thanks for the detailed response! That progression makes a lot of sense. I’m just getting back into drumming after a long hiatus, but I remember as a teenager being able to play reasonably clean doubles like this on my snare but as soon as I went to a floor tom (let alone a pizza 😅) they got very sloppy and labored. I think at the time I just kinda picked up the technique by feel and didn’t follow a progression like you’re explaining. Going to start slow and progress gradually this time!
Haha the pizza thing is a Jojo Mayer reference/joke 😅 For sure man, doing it properly is exactly what will mean when you come to do it on the Floor Tom it works a treat! Glad it helped and all the best on your drumming re-journey! 🫡
THANKS !!!!!
Haha, no worries man! 🫡
Super great info the best.
Glad to hear that man and thank you 👊🥁🫡
Excellent lesson!!
Thanks man! Glad you found it useful 🤘🥁👊
Have you heard of this technique before? 🤔🥁👊
i dont really understand the movement from the snapback to the fullstroke? after the snapback should i move my arm or is it only wrist ?
That’s up to you a bit 💙 When you play the full stroke (after the SnapBack), there will be a bit generated from the arm, naturally. As you increase the tempo more of the movement will come from the wrist, but there will still be a bit of arm when you get to the fast tempo. Don’t worry too much on the intricacies. As you keep doing it, it will feel more natural and the body will figure out what to do. Putting in the reps is what’s important 🫡
Hi,,
I like your video and your step-to-step-approach, that motivates me to join in. However, I saw the following problem with my double stroke when I recorded myself with my cell phone: with my weak left hand, the first stroke is as it should be. After the second hit, however, the stick always moves to the right towards the middle. This not only looks strange, but also sounds strange. Do you have any idea what this could be and how I can get rid of it? Many greetings from Germany
Dennis
Hey Dennis, thanks for getting in touch. At this point, I wouldn’t worry about that. As long as the stick is coming down and creating the second hit, it doesn’t matter if it’s not at a completely perfect angle. Some of the best drummers in the world have sticks that go off in weird angles when they’re playing fast, intricate patterns. If it sounds good and it’s not impeding you achieving your goals, don’t worry about it 😜 Having said that, I know this sounds strange but willing the stick to hit the centre of the drum, really focusing and having that as a conscious priority in your mind, is what will help you overcome this. All the best!
Thank you for the detailed answer. I'll stay tuned (and watch your vids 🙂)
No worries man. In the final stage of editing the next one 🤘🥁👊
I never got the double stroke roll to the level I wanted after years of practice. It's really hard.
Sorry to hear that Terry. Just like anything, it requires a lot of time, practice, consistency, and a serious extra dosage of patience. Follow the steps in the video and you will get there. Good luck 🫡
Is narrowing the gap from 90 degrees compromising technique? And how do you use the rebound ro bring it to 12 o'clock? Do you use your wrist?
The stick should bounce up, if your grip is correct, so there’s no need to use your wrist to get it back to 12 o’clock. If you use a little bit of wrist do that, that’s probably okay as long as you can still snap back with the fingers. Is hard to say without seeing you do it. And I’m not sure exactly what you mean on narrowing the gap. As you play it faster, the movement will get very small (the stick will come nowhere near 12 before you have snapped it back), so I think, no that is not compromising the technique. It’s just good to over exaggerate the technique at the beginning so your brain learns the motor function. Hope this helps 😂
@@ferggriffindrums Thanks for the help man. Do you have a video on proper grip. I'm pretty sure I have it right but maybe you have a video that describes grip or you know a video that does.
@@Chinchilling_04I don’t man but I’m sure there’ll be plenty on RUclips!
@@ferggriffindrums Thanks a ton for being so helpful!
No worries brother, good luck with it all 🫡
Thank you so much for this great lesson. May i ask you how many minutes a day should I practice to improve this technique?
It’s a tough question to answer. Essentially, the more you practice it, the quicker it will get better. The other thing on this is: if you practice for an hour a day, you’ll sound like you practice for an hour a day, if you practice for 4 hours a day, you’ll sound like you practice for 4 hours a day. Practice as much as you can whilst you’re motivated, and sometimes a bit of discipline helps for when you’re not motivated. All the best 🫡
Ive got my push/pull down pretty tight over the last couple years but yesterday i recommended them in a comment section to a beginner and the poster of the video commented to say he began with Push/Pull but then later realized he could get better doubles without just using push pull. I think he was either mistaking push pull for moeller or he wasnt practicing his push pull in full strokes to get consistent powerful hits on each stroke. Either way i watched some videos to see if i was actually the one missing something. Thats how i ended up here. And i noticed in your example your stick doesnt come all the way back to starting position after the pull. Is that just for the sake of explaining the technique simply to beginners or do you normally not bring the stick all the way back after your pull stroke? I was just curious because i wasnt able to get each stoke to sound as clean and consistent until i started intentionally having each stroke start and end at the same height. It just takes a slightly looser grip and a bit more practice to get there. But i will say that the faster i play the doubles the more the pull stroke lands lower than the push stroke rebound. Anyways, im a guitar player primarily so ii truly am always questioning my technique and comparing it to others possibly to my detriment at times lol.
Well, I agree with you on some points. This video is specifically designed for getting the push pull going. When you play doubles on a surface with little to no rebound, you’ll need to use your wrists a lot to make sure you have a powerful downstroke. The SnapBack will come easier that way.
And, I think I know what you mean on the stick coming back and I think it’s related to the above. Basically, the first stroke is generated with the arm wrist, so when you do the SnapBack your other hand should be raised and ready for the double. So when you do one double, the other hand/arm/wrist resets. Does that make sense?
sir what if you do the push only up to 40 - 45 degree and not 90 is that still the correct way of doing it??
It can be. When you’re going faster the movement will get a lot smaller, even smaller than 40/45 degrees. You want to make sure that it comes right up at the beginning tho to make sure you have the technique down, then you can speed it up and practice the smaller movement. You may already be there!
@@ferggriffindrums thank you so much for replying back i leart drums back when i was 13 but could never own one though now i get to play it just for 30 min in my college
i learnt only beats and no rudiments except for single strokes
and now i want to work on my technique and things i never payed attention to
i am kind of confused as to at which level i might be right now 😥
Is there any way to get a practice pad? Definitely a cheaper and more practical way to work on technique? Just a thought.. And no worries man 💙
Ive been olaying since 02 and never did,used,or was shown or understood the double.
I hope this helped!
It's ok when done slowly but very difficult when you start to speed up. It will probably take me forever
It won’t take you forever, my friend 💙 As I say in the video, often the breaks (and sleeping, lol) is where the progress happens. Put in the time, have a rest, and when you come back to it (providing you’ve truly put in the time), you’ll have made good progress. Like anything, small steps is where the magic is and enjoying the journey (and small wins!) is what will keep you going.
How to improve your double stroke...double stroke until you are blue in the face. Which will never happen so do them some more.😂
Doing them a lot with certainly help!
Geez, it took you about a year and change before you could incorporate double stroke effects in your music? That's a scary thought. I'm not getting much younger these days. Better get to work then eh?
I mean this also depends on how much you do them per day. Can probably have pretty consistent execution of them in just a couple months or less. But mastery of doubles, yes I’d say a year or 2. You’ll be surprised how quick you get them if you give it a go with a long time horizon and start to enjoy the daily practice though. Good luck!
@@ferggriffindrums Thank you for the words of encouragement. The pandemic completely knocked the wind out of my sails a few years back. My pursuit of music died back then and I'm trying to reignite the spark.
@@christophercarlone9945 Nice man. And yeah, that was a weird time for most of us, lol. I get it. When inspiration is lacking, try just playing to your favourite tracks or trying to play in the vein of your drumming heroes. That usually helps and gets you back on the kit. Keep at it man and good luck
Good video but the zooming in and out is very annoying and takes away from the professional polish.
That’s a taste thing man. I’m sorry but I won’t be able to cater to everyone’s tastes. If I did, I wouldn’t be able to do anything, as there will always be something someone doesn’t like. There will be parts of my content that you don’t like, but hopefully there will be things in there which help you learn something too. All the best! 🫡
There's no special technique. Use a pillow and it will come naturally.
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It’s amazing what kind of bullshit people put on RUclips. This is not the way to get double stoke rolls you might get really stiff arms though.
Obviously it's not your cup of tea, there are other ways to build a double stoke roll, as for the stiff arms, that's nonsense, I've been doing doubles this way for 25 years, if done properly in the way this chap says, then stiff arms won't happen.
Thanks Liam man, appreciate your support 🙏
It's A way to do doubles. Obviously there are more options. I personally like to use the rebound of my practice pad for speed, it just feels more effortless.
O double stroke master, show us how it should need done. Oh wait, you’re on a burner account with zero videos to back your BS up. It’s amazing how “brave” someone is when they hide behind burner account.
Super helpful, I have been trying various practice videos and this one finally gave me ( I hope) what I was missing! Thank you 🫡
Haha so happy to hear this! It's def the solution but does take a bit of time to get down; patience is key on this journey. Thanks so much for commenting and hope all is well 👊