Food Theory: Wait... Coffee is a SOUP?!

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  • Опубликовано: 13 май 2022
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    We found the answer to the age-old question of "Is a hotdog a sandwich?". Now it is time to make another set of people REALLY angry at me. The coffee people to be precise. What question are we answering today? Well, you read the title but for those of you who may have skipped over it - here you go! Is COFFEE actually a SOUP?
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Комментарии • 8 тыс.

  • @ThatCybertChannel
    @ThatCybertChannel 2 года назад +27971

    I don't normally comment, but I needed you all to know my disappointment in this episode. -Head Editor Dan

    • @TGOPoma
      @TGOPoma 2 года назад +434

      Hey, Dan!

    • @demidemiurge1023
      @demidemiurge1023 2 года назад +1101

      I agree. It should be a tea, not a soup.

    • @karmicgal344
      @karmicgal344 2 года назад +707

      Sorry Head Editor Dan but your wife is _technically_ correct

    • @mistermanthe4th
      @mistermanthe4th 2 года назад +619

      I imagine the worst part of this was knowing you'd have to edit the final verdict, whether or not it matched your opinion.

    • @cheeselord8153
      @cheeselord8153 2 года назад +216

      @@demidemiurge1023 tea is also soup

  • @SentinalhMC
    @SentinalhMC 2 года назад +9326

    Episode Idea: How much cheese would Cheetos need to contain to literally be dangerously cheesy

    • @fries4me10
      @fries4me10 2 года назад +269

      This is frigging genius

    • @official-obama
      @official-obama 2 года назад +130

      packed beyond the swarzchild radius of cheese

    • @farhansaber9330
      @farhansaber9330 2 года назад +61

      This is really good I want to see this as a video lmfaooo

    • @thtotaku
      @thtotaku 2 года назад +35

      i mean, if you have cheese powder that's off, it's gonna be a small amount.

    • @deebo429__
      @deebo429__ 2 года назад +20

      Oh wow, a good RUclips comment recommendation? I never expected this.

  • @TheAdvertisement
    @TheAdvertisement Год назад +424

    1:07 "DON'T SAY THAT!" already I can tell this is going to be a great episode.

    • @prince32YT
      @prince32YT Год назад +1

      Ik! It was tho tbh

    • @msk-qp6fn
      @msk-qp6fn 11 месяцев назад +1

      Coffee is bean powder infusion

  • @trish87563
    @trish87563 Год назад +685

    I'd actually contend that coffee is not a fruit-seed soup, but rather a fruit-seed stock, because you filter out the thing that you boiled to make the drink. In soups, you still have solids left behind in the finished product, even if they're pureed, but in coffee, you filter the solids out.

  • @grumpychat9417
    @grumpychat9417 2 года назад +4130

    "Amy's chugging her bean broth right now"
    "DONT SAY THAT!"
    best moment ever

  • @CHEFPKR
    @CHEFPKR 2 года назад +2458

    The brain storm call at the start is so good. I love seeing the ideation process.

    • @user-rv7wm9fx8k
      @user-rv7wm9fx8k 2 года назад +3

      MatPat is a brain burner!(Правдивое видео):.
      ruclips.net/video/eMvZPV5acww/видео.html

    • @user-rv7wm9fx8k
      @user-rv7wm9fx8k 2 года назад +3

      Ж

    • @user-ex5zk5cd9j
      @user-ex5zk5cd9j 2 года назад +2

      Z

    • @enigma479
      @enigma479 2 года назад +8

      Im surprised I haven’t seen any lyrhero references lol

    • @krisj5561
      @krisj5561 2 года назад +3

      It is obviously fake...

  • @violetadams4428
    @violetadams4428 Год назад +102

    Dan's screams of frustration are the best parts of the episode. Lmao.

  • @littykitty040
    @littykitty040 Год назад +87

    Cooler: "Let me tell you a secret, coffee is just bean soup"

    • @Rockman9830
      @Rockman9830 Год назад +11

      Stop!

    • @MusicalLugia
      @MusicalLugia Год назад +18

      @@Rockman9830 "They hated Cooler beacuse he told the truth!"

    • @Casandraelf
      @Casandraelf Год назад

      right??

    • @thefalcon5204
      @thefalcon5204 Год назад +5

      You made me go watch Lythero take your like and leave.

    • @xzaeox6397
      @xzaeox6397 11 месяцев назад

      I was looking for this comment XD

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 2 года назад +1632

    8:30
    "Don't believe everything you see on TikTok, friends."
    Don't worry matPat, I don't even believe literally anything I see on TikTok.

  • @chrisjohnsonvan
    @chrisjohnsonvan 2 года назад +2821

    I can't believe you totally missed that coffee is a POTION. It's brewed, it has magical properties, and if you found a vial of it in a dungeon you'd have to make a very difficult decision about whether to drink it or not.

    • @chaotixninja5
      @chaotixninja5 2 года назад +44

      Have you been playing Ni No Kuni?

    • @raycee412
      @raycee412 2 года назад +8

      Lol

    • @diando19
      @diando19 2 года назад +46

      There's also the category of "herbal tea".

    • @mikhailsharon4331
      @mikhailsharon4331 2 года назад +5

      WHAT!

    • @meepnope4389
      @meepnope4389 2 года назад +12

      I’d choose no, but who knows that might be the death of me 💀

  • @shugaraddict
    @shugaraddict Год назад +33

    Dan took this personally. Even in the call he was ready throw hands through the screen 😂

  • @Simon_Electric
    @Simon_Electric 11 месяцев назад +38

    MatPat you have enough resources and shows to fill an entire cable network. It's amazing how much your channel has grown over the years.

    • @raychwagner3657
      @raychwagner3657 21 день назад

      I would honest-to-God pay a month streaming subscription if it was just these channels

  • @luckyanubis_
    @luckyanubis_ 2 года назад +923

    I love how when MattPatt heard that tiktokers were making mash-potatoes out of chips, he isn’t even surprised, he just laughs & says “Of course they are”

  • @supertron6039
    @supertron6039 2 года назад +4014

    I like how Mat doesn't bother adding that this explanation automatically proves that Tea is also soup.

    • @Floofel.
      @Floofel. Год назад +234

      Leaf soup.

    • @Carbon-cringe-human
      @Carbon-cringe-human Год назад +19

      What to you mean "also"

    • @loganwolv3393
      @loganwolv3393 Год назад +86

      @@Carbon-cringe-human It means that soup isn't just made out of well vegetable liquid extract and cofee seed extract but is also made of leaf extract wich is commonly refered as tea.

    • @acegamer9347
      @acegamer9347 Год назад +113

      “This tea is nothing more than hot leaf juice!”

    • @bookworm0414
      @bookworm0414 Год назад +80

      @@acegamer9347 "Uncle, that's what all tea is."

  • @michaellennerman7844
    @michaellennerman7844 Год назад +72

    I cannot believe I just watched a video about whether or not coffee was a soup or not. AND IT MADE SENSE!!

  • @not_found4865
    @not_found4865 Год назад +29

    Okay- but hear me out. If a tomato is a fruit, is ketchup a smoothie?

  • @notisaac6041
    @notisaac6041 2 года назад +560

    Imagine going to Starbucks and asking, "Can I have some fruit-seed soup?"

    • @maenad1231
      @maenad1231 2 года назад +18

      *Fruit-seed soup

    • @notisaac6041
      @notisaac6041 2 года назад +4

      @@maenad1231 thanks bro

    • @MySongBird278
      @MySongBird278 2 года назад +13

      "May I have a fruit-seed soup? Dark roast please, thank you :D"

    • @goldenwarrior1186
      @goldenwarrior1186 2 года назад

      @@maenad1231 what’d it say before

    • @Igorcastrochucre
      @Igorcastrochucre 2 года назад +7

      "Sigh, that guy made a new vídeo, didn't he?"

  • @ignisofficialgaming
    @ignisofficialgaming 2 года назад +315

    As a barista, I'm more partial to the idea that it's a potion. It''s brewed and is magical because it grants the drinker the strength to go about their day

    • @monroerobbins7551
      @monroerobbins7551 Год назад +29

      Yep, I like that more. Plus, it has side effects!

    • @littlecherryartist
      @littlecherryartist Год назад +12

      are potions a soup?

    • @PromethealBee
      @PromethealBee Год назад +9

      @@littlecherryartist dont- i- cannot handle it anymore 😰

    • @NotSoNormal1987
      @NotSoNormal1987 Год назад +3

      Yeah. Magic bean water

    • @rrownn
      @rrownn Год назад +3

      YES. It would so be a potion omg how did I never think of this!

  • @artifexarts2944
    @artifexarts2944 Год назад +12

    Watching Dan get so upset at mat calling Amy's coffee "bean broth" makes me laugh every single time

  • @orientallegendcomics1316
    @orientallegendcomics1316 Год назад +27

    Let me tell you a secret, Coffee is just bean soup!

    • @coolsteve3214
      @coolsteve3214 10 месяцев назад +3

      They hated Cooler because he told the truth

    • @imao15
      @imao15 4 месяца назад +1

      EATING *BEANS* I SEE

  • @kalebrounds7520
    @kalebrounds7520 2 года назад +715

    So, instead of calling coffee "burnt boiled brown bean broth" like I used to, I should start calling it "scorched simmered sepia seed soup?"

    • @Blasted2Oblivion
      @Blasted2Oblivion 2 года назад +41

      I feel like calling it "coffee" would be easier but you do you.

    • @benrompen7100
      @benrompen7100 2 года назад +6

      It can't be sepia unless you're putting squid/cuttlefish ink into it.

    • @FuryMcpurey
      @FuryMcpurey 2 года назад +11

      @@benrompen7100 sepia is also a color.

    • @SoggyCoffeeAddict
      @SoggyCoffeeAddict 2 года назад +5

      Dirty soggy bean stock

    • @lacytaylor1501
      @lacytaylor1501 2 года назад +4

      'Dirty bean water' will always be my go to.

  • @TaeRose29
    @TaeRose29 2 года назад +445

    You know…I was expecting “Is cereal a soup” on this channel someday, but I’ve got to admit this is better.

    • @JustLetMeUseNPC
      @JustLetMeUseNPC 2 года назад +16

      Cereal is soup. Change my mind!

    • @dungeontnt
      @dungeontnt 2 года назад +6

      Cereal is a soup

    • @eugenekrabs141
      @eugenekrabs141 2 года назад +6

      @@JustLetMeUseNPC soups are hot, cereal is cold, soup is boiled, cereal is not, based off mats definition it isent

    • @cislife7140
      @cislife7140 2 года назад +8

      @@eugenekrabs141 what about those cold soups gazpacho?

    • @coachmcguirk6297
      @coachmcguirk6297 2 года назад +3

      @@cislife7140 it's cooked and then chilled before serving.

  • @DylucahPreciado
    @DylucahPreciado Год назад +5

    I'm more often than not impressed by the sheer quality of the science in any given episode. It's very pleasing and gets my brain started in the best way possible. The "simple" jokes you usually make are excellent and always fit, never taking away from your point you're trying to make...
    This episode made me roll out of my chair laughing so hard at, "DON'T SAY THAT" Legitimately, I was laughing so hard, the video had played to almost the midpoint before I finally got a hold of myself. I gladly restarted from where I left off...

  • @CeilingOpossum
    @CeilingOpossum Год назад +8

    My sister and I have a road trip game where we work to identify 73 distinct soups without looking anything up by the time we arrive at our destination, ( it was inspired by an incredibly strange license plate we saw) and I’m DEFINITELY using coffee next time

  • @ethanlewis5750
    @ethanlewis5750 2 года назад +567

    as a trained cook: Coffee is closer to a broth then it is a soup. just like when making a turkey or bone soup you remove the material that gives the water its color and flavor. this is a important distinction.

    • @leeeshizzy4296
      @leeeshizzy4296 2 года назад +30

      so ice coffee is a soup

    • @ethanlewis5750
      @ethanlewis5750 2 года назад +13

      @@leeeshizzy4296 I can agree to that

    • @SamWulfign
      @SamWulfign 2 года назад +18

      This is the issue I have with matt, chasing the description with this one. As a food channel should also be taking into account culinary knowledge, it would be more a broth because broth is a igredient for soup, and soup is a food of which you use ingredients to derive sustance for the body, technically you could live only on soup. But only Broth... it's hard to say, I'd say probably no, which is the same for coffee in this regard, you can't live only on coffee.
      And if that is still a issue.... could just simply call it a brew, which is boiled ingredients that is used to hydrate rather then sustain a body.

    • @LR_Bushido
      @LR_Bushido 2 года назад +8

      Except if you add creamer and other things to it I don't think it would fall under a broth anymore

    • @SamWulfign
      @SamWulfign 2 года назад +6

      @@LR_Bushido It still would, as broth has other ingredients that is used to make a Base, Broth/Stock is also another word for Soup Base which is basically a foundation to prepare soup. The key takeaway here is whether it is food or not.

  • @LokiScarletWasHere
    @LokiScarletWasHere 2 года назад +1651

    You forgot to mention the classification of an "infusion", or what's commonly called a "tea"
    Soup is very specifically eaten, whereas the remaining broth or infusion is then drank or discarded. But that's the thing. The liquid component is often an infusion, either of meat or bone, or of an herbal source. But just as coffee isn't a puree, so to is it not a soup.

  • @ryanfranco7386
    @ryanfranco7386 Год назад +5

    I haven't watched the rest of the video, but it was neat to peak behind the scenes at game/food/film theory.

  • @alishaaquatica
    @alishaaquatica Год назад +9

    EATING BEANS I SEE!?!? Let me tell you a secret, Coffee is just bean soup.

  • @PoneDtheGuy
    @PoneDtheGuy 2 года назад +480

    "Let me tell you a secret, coffee is just bean soup." - Cooler, they hated him because he told the truth

    • @kavukkii
      @kavukkii 2 года назад +16

      You beat me to it, you heathen.

    • @NotMeCuh74
      @NotMeCuh74 2 года назад +1

      @@user-jm6qe6sz2p 🧢🗿

    • @heartlessnobody1143
      @heartlessnobody1143 2 года назад +7

      -Ah lythero! my favorite Voice actor!-
      Ah Zyzx_! my favorite side character!

    • @zionfultz8495
      @zionfultz8495 2 года назад +5

      OBJECTION, it isn't bean soup it is seed soup

    • @MineCreeperLPs
      @MineCreeperLPs 2 года назад +1

      @@heartlessnobody1143 Wrong that was Zyzx_ It was in a Lythero video.

  • @paddygutowski9255
    @paddygutowski9255 2 года назад +631

    In Poland we have "kompot". It is a beverage made from boiling fruits in water. Fruits are then removed, add sugar and you have "kompot". I think this fits your description of coffee better than soup.

    • @thelolim___ster
      @thelolim___ster 2 года назад +20

      same in Russia

    • @kitkat25195
      @kitkat25195 2 года назад


      Wow.
      We don’t.

    • @lonergothonline
      @lonergothonline 2 года назад +8

      in england, its a compote, which seems like a french word to me. so compoté maybe?

    • @meercreate
      @meercreate 2 года назад +14

      A little bit further east, and they usually leave the fruits in

    • @ahumanbeing7426
      @ahumanbeing7426 2 года назад +6

      @@meercreate yeah and we call it komposto (or hoşaf) in turkey lol
      I didn't know it had a similar name in other countries though

  • @The_NW_EngineYT
    @The_NW_EngineYT 5 месяцев назад +1

    You need to do more intro skits like the zoom call rather than the animated puns, that was just pure gold ❤❤

  • @alexcastellanosleon
    @alexcastellanosleon Год назад +2

    i love the intro, please more of the pitch meetings

  • @milkcrisp5586
    @milkcrisp5586 2 года назад +575

    I already knew this because any proper food theorist already knows that everything is soup.

  • @rebeccamockerman6132
    @rebeccamockerman6132 2 года назад +1242

    I would love to see a crossover of this and the "the ocean is a soup" argument lol

    • @pkmnmasters2842
      @pkmnmasters2842 2 года назад +14

      Yeeeesss

    • @lathyrusloon
      @lathyrusloon Год назад +27

      I have indeed heard people refer to the ocean as a soup.

    • @anoyint
      @anoyint Год назад +3

      The ocean is inedible so no, not a soup.

    • @triparadox.c
      @triparadox.c Год назад +48

      @@anoyint It is edible
      just once

    • @ianluk6385
      @ianluk6385 Год назад +41

      @@anoyint the ocean is, technically, edible. Is it palatable? Probably not, especially if you don't prepare that seafood in some manner, but it is technically edible.

  • @ricardoferns56
    @ricardoferns56 Месяц назад

    I feel like this is less of a food theory and more of a food clarification and that opening was so excellent. So well edited.

  • @Ojamamon67
    @Ojamamon67 Год назад +2

    I cannot express the happy inside of my being when episodes like this come out lol I LOVE when you get to blows people’s minds with stuff like this or the sandwich episode or even what makes a fruit a fruit lol

  • @thegammagamer3776
    @thegammagamer3776 2 года назад +510

    I feel like "tea" would be a more apt definition, seeing as tea is made by soaking the parts of a plant in water: "leaves, roots, etc" And some teas ARE made with the seeds of a plant rather than the more common components.
    edit: Also fruit soups generally end with those seeds still floating around, whereas coffee is filtered through the "beans" but never actually contain the seeds themselves.

    • @kyoxtohru112
      @kyoxtohru112 2 года назад +33

      Yes and teas and coffees usually are classified together cause they both are extractions from plant products.
      Honestly the closest thing on the list given was broth, cause with the seed soups they still have the seeds in them. Either chunky or ground finely to a puree with hot liquid added to make it filling.

    • @Sam-rj2qn
      @Sam-rj2qn 2 года назад +17

      So is coffee tea or tea a coffee?

    • @tanyacarbajal3597
      @tanyacarbajal3597 2 года назад +17

      Yes. I expected him to cover this information and end in tea as the answer But I feel he stopped investigating and cut the video short.

    • @Merennulli
      @Merennulli 2 года назад +21

      By the mental gymnastics of this episode, tea would either be a soup or broth in MatPat's book. I think it's safe to say the crux of this episode was choosing to ignore that it's served as a beverage under the flimsy argument that part of some soups can be drunk...specifically the broth...which he ruled out coffee being...
      Nothing wrong with it as entertainment, but this is "Sans is Ness" level theorizing.

    • @mongoose9851
      @mongoose9851 2 года назад +20

      @@tanyacarbajal3597 Coffee is a type of tea. Tea can't be coffee because coffee only comes from coffee beans, while tea can come from an endless variety of plants.

  • @haeherfeder0221
    @haeherfeder0221 2 года назад +245

    Well I was expecting a cereal-soup theory but… coffe?

    • @v.crowley
      @v.crowley 2 года назад +9

      Already discussed cereal-soup .. it's not.. because cereal doesn't involve cooking

    • @FlowerMcBoi
      @FlowerMcBoi 2 года назад +1

      This is interesting

    • @malym9494
      @malym9494 2 года назад +1

      Yeah

    • @malym9494
      @malym9494 2 года назад +1

      @Zis co bot

    • @malym9494
      @malym9494 2 года назад +3

      @@benito23453 bot

  • @MrCapybara227
    @MrCapybara227 Год назад +1

    I love how Dan in the beginning was like don’t say that! I was laughing so hard from that

  • @La-Lloyd494
    @La-Lloyd494 7 месяцев назад +2

    The "DON'T SAY THAT" kind of caught me off guard

  • @lilkeefmusic
    @lilkeefmusic 2 года назад +22

    6:18 "I prefer the IV bags!" BRO NO I CANT IM DEAD.

  • @slipperywhale2486
    @slipperywhale2486 2 года назад +302

    We recently had a discussion over the difference between sandwiches, hotdogs, tacos, cereals, soups, and salads in my AP physics class.This video is very timely.

    • @chris-p5013
      @chris-p5013 2 года назад +3

      just took the ap physics 2 test last friday - how was urs?

    • @kthrnas
      @kthrnas 2 года назад +2

      friend's AP physics class often has discussions over whether cereal is a soup or whether cheesecake is a pie. interesting how it's always that class that has the weirdest food debates!

  • @ihavespoken_shorts
    @ihavespoken_shorts 10 месяцев назад

    "DON'T SAY THAT!"
    Golden Moment! I literally rolled off my bed, laughing.

  • @Insane_GlassesGuy
    @Insane_GlassesGuy Месяц назад

    Gotta love the delay in the phone call before Dan get’s mad at “bean broth”

  • @phoneguy4637
    @phoneguy4637 2 года назад +296

    botanically, a coffee fruit ("coffee cherry") is categorized as "drupe" or "stone fruit". it thus falls into the same botanical category as the cherry, mango, prune and apricot.

    • @phoneguy4637
      @phoneguy4637 2 года назад +18

      @@megadog9305 wrong. a berry doesn't have inner seed chambers like the coffee fruit does. a berry is filled with fruit flesh in which the seeds freely "swim". the coffee fruit has as good as no fruit flesh, but rather hides two seed chambers with a pair of seeds ("stones") inside, making it a drupe. in the wild, coffee fruits often contain only one seed, having two or more is a result of modern selection and breeding. please do your homework.

    • @ARandomStan
      @ARandomStan 2 года назад

      Have you ever heard of Jordan Schalnsky? Look him up I think you'll love him

    • @PetesGuide
      @PetesGuide 2 года назад

      So it’s a bisque?

  • @fabricdragon
    @fabricdragon 2 года назад +922

    as a note: Turkish coffee DOES actually contain the ground coffee... and while you dont ingest all the sludge at the bottom of the cup, you do eat some.
    its also best seasoned with cardamom

    • @JaceArmek
      @JaceArmek 2 года назад +6

      I'm glad someone else noticed that.

    • @eagleleft
      @eagleleft 2 года назад +20

      so then turkish coffee is a puree?

    • @eyal01245
      @eyal01245 2 года назад +4

      Turkish coffee is commonly referred to as "mud coffee" and i hate it

    • @gapetheapegod7976
      @gapetheapegod7976 2 года назад +8

      @@eyal01245 Turkish coffee or it being called mud coffee

    • @Tenshi6Tantou6Rei
      @Tenshi6Tantou6Rei 2 года назад +2

      it is a puree

  • @riverpubby
    @riverpubby Год назад

    I honestly love the insight into the theory processes, i would love to see more discussion stuff like that!! (Even post episode releases!!)

  • @actualaspienc1279
    @actualaspienc1279 Год назад +24

    THEORY IDEA:
    Are products that contain coffee (energy shots, candy bars, other things like that) as effective as a cup of coffee? I ask because I’ve had the Kit-Kat Mocha duos and have felt the effects as one would after a cup of coffee (which is odd because caffeine doesn’t wake me up, yay ADD) so I wonder if it’s really something about the coffee that can just be put into ANYTHING and it have the same effect.

  • @samg461a
    @samg461a 2 года назад +332

    What are alternative “milks” then? Almond “milk”? Soy “milk”? Oat “milk”? Are they also soup? You grind the seeds/nuts/beans with water and then strain out the grinds to consume the broth, just like coffee. So are they also soup?

    • @majesticsnowleopard
      @majesticsnowleopard 2 года назад +13

      Yes.

    • @benito23453
      @benito23453 2 года назад +1

      Ж

    • @maelissakluckman2890
      @maelissakluckman2890 2 года назад +13

      i propose coffee isnt soup its tea and i think non dairy milks are also tea

    • @Spade1350
      @Spade1350 2 года назад +4

      Juice or smoothie depending on the milk alternative. Coffee is also definitely a tea and not a soup.

    • @wyrdvora
      @wyrdvora 2 года назад +1

      Coffee is a milk alternative 👍

  • @winchesters4life34
    @winchesters4life34 2 года назад +115

    I loved that opening, seeing how theory videos are made is so interesting

  • @thedudeone6133
    @thedudeone6133 Год назад +6

    Matpat should make a new channel where he just posts behind the scenes of different videos. They could put stuff like the research, the meetings, etc.

  • @darkarcmiley3388
    @darkarcmiley3388 Год назад +2

    I love the meeting intro. Please post more of those!

  • @godaistudios
    @godaistudios 2 года назад +196

    The problem with the "fruit seed soups" is that the seeds are all consumed in the examples. In that respect, it's closer to a broth than a soup. But somebody else commented and it's far more correct to a term that applies to both tea and coffee. Infusion. We are drinking an extract, which is not a soup.

    • @anothergol
      @anothergol 2 года назад +7

      I was gonna say infusion as well, and turns out it's only half correct, it only applies to one method of making coffee, and not the most common one.

    • @jypsridic
      @jypsridic 2 года назад +5

      The correct term is either decoction if you're classic or extraction if you're modern.

    • @professionalsleeper6281
      @professionalsleeper6281 2 года назад +3

      A broth is a soup tho

    • @Boundless-Boredom
      @Boundless-Boredom 2 года назад +2

      @@professionalsleeper6281 a broth alone is no soup. It is the base to a soup

    • @josephcalabro2487
      @josephcalabro2487 2 года назад +1

      I was thinking of teas, but those only come from the Camellia sinensis plant, so I thought that coffee could be classified as a tisane or infusion like you said.

  • @Lumberjack_king
    @Lumberjack_king 2 года назад +33

    0:09 the fact that this is a normal work conversation for them

  • @TBI217
    @TBI217 Год назад +1

    Me watching this while drinking my coffee: *mumbles to coffee* "imposter..."

  • @ShichuAkotake
    @ShichuAkotake Год назад

    This is my most favorite theory of all time!
    Discussions in your meeting must be so fun!

  • @BobBobson
    @BobBobson 2 года назад +116

    The problem with calling it soup is there's typically something in soup other than just flavored water. Like your example of tomato soup, it's generally pureed tomatoes with seasonings, not water that's had a tomato briefly in it.
    You know, that's a wonderful idea for an episode. You and Steph can try tomato soup made like coffee. 4 minutes of mashed tomato in some hot water that's ran through a coffee filter to take out every bit of solids.
    Coffee is not soup. Coffee is an infusion, which is an option you neglected to mention. Tea is also an infusion.

    • @FriendB
      @FriendB 2 года назад

      Yes, exactly! I was looking for this!

    • @mmnnnnnmmnnnmnmn6067
      @mmnnnnnmmnnnmnmn6067 2 года назад +1

      The best kind of correct

    • @heyspookyboogie644
      @heyspookyboogie644 2 года назад +7

      That’s exactly the way I was looking at it too. I’m amazed they completely left tea out of the discussion when that’s the closest comparison to coffee. I’m still not convinced they got this one.

    • @darladay4766
      @darladay4766 2 года назад +2

      It's a broth, which is a soup

    • @Ketharuil
      @Ketharuil 2 года назад +1

      IT'S BROTH

  • @TheOrigamiGenius
    @TheOrigamiGenius 2 года назад +21

    6:07
    Dan: I appreciate the advice but I'm not gonna listen to it
    Me: Seems like something I'd say

  • @zoezilla3710
    @zoezilla3710 Год назад +5

    I truly wish my 83 year old grandma lived long enough so I could argue with her about the validity of coffee being a soup it would've been good times..

    • @abha9002
      @abha9002 4 месяца назад

      Same thing with me and my Grandpa, this seems like exactly the thing we would debate about over breakfast

  • @Okzicoton
    @Okzicoton Год назад +3

    11:02 Gotta get that Egussy Soup

  • @rogervanaman6739
    @rogervanaman6739 2 года назад +135

    Just to be clear, there is coffee gravy. It's called red-eye gravy. Made with coffee and (most often) ham and made primarily in the southern US.

  • @bunksoup8137
    @bunksoup8137 2 года назад +519

    Not all coffee is boiled/simmered - you’re leaving out cold-press. Isn’t coffee most similar to tea? If so, I think tea is a fundamental enough category to need no further reduction. Otherwise tea is soup too.

    • @jonathanodude6660
      @jonathanodude6660 2 года назад +51

      nope, tea is a specific category. it always refers to leaves, and it often refers specifically to the leaves of the tea tree. youre probably thinking of an infusion which was debated in a higher comment.

    • @zhazan42
      @zhazan42 2 года назад +30

      @@jonathanodude6660 Raspberry Hibiscus tea would like to have a word with your manager.

    • @jonathanodude6660
      @jonathanodude6660 2 года назад +4

      @@zhazan42 “often”

    • @mr.bennett108
      @mr.bennett108 2 года назад +11

      @@jonathanodude6660 Wrong. If you take dried mushrooms and boil them to reconstitution, the left-over liquid is called "mushroom tea." However, because the bean is roasted, not dried, it's probably more accurately classified as a "liquor" than a tea.

    • @dmark8993
      @dmark8993 2 года назад +12

      @@zhazan42 doesn't tea have a lot of variation like herbal tea,fruit tea etc.???

  • @carlchapman4053
    @carlchapman4053 Год назад +1

    Greggs in England found a legal tax loophole because 'Hot food' has a higher tax band than 'cold food' and even cooked foods put on unheated shelves (such as bread) count as 'cold food' so they get around the rule by heating the display counter when empty, turning the heater off before opening the shop and putting the freshly baked foods in the (hot but no longer heated) display counter it stays warm without actually heating the food, so it can be sold as 'cold' at a lower tax band.

  • @Panyo_ThePanMan
    @Panyo_ThePanMan 2 месяца назад +1

    10:13 the agony in his scream

  • @dunlopchop54
    @dunlopchop54 2 года назад +288

    *Extracted "coffee juice" would actually sound like the healthiest alternative to what I have right now since they don't have to always follow the laws of carton juice*

  • @michaelnelson1127
    @michaelnelson1127 2 года назад +96

    It’s official! Dan is my favorite member of Team Theorist! He is seriously hilarious, especially when it comes to ‘absurd comedy’. Not that I didn’t find him funny before this (he was my favorite part of the Tootsie Pop and Mountain Dew episodes), but the recording booth scene cemented his position as my favorite.

    • @theoutsiderjess4869
      @theoutsiderjess4869 2 года назад +2

      He was my favorite after he took over for Mattpatt when he was sick

    • @TylerNovakYT
      @TylerNovakYT 2 года назад

      He has his own YT channel called ThatCybertChannel

    • @michaelnelson1127
      @michaelnelson1127 2 года назад

      @@TylerNovakYT Don’t worry; I’ve been subscribed to his channel for years.

  • @Wolffang1996Hyano
    @Wolffang1996Hyano Год назад

    came back to rewatch the beginning of this video. It's hilarious & I love it.

  • @1cheezyboi31
    @1cheezyboi31 Год назад +1

    "Coffee is just bean soup"
    "They hated Cooler cause he told the truth!"

  • @capture_diaries
    @capture_diaries 2 года назад +378

    Since the only hiccup this theory is that the word "soup" is commonly used to describe food and not beverage, I would say coffee is a lot more similar to tea. In fact, some coffee brands even sell coffee grounds in little baggies for you to brew as you would tea. Besides, most soups typically needs to have more than 2 ingredients to be called "soup". Maybe "broth" is a much closer comparison (also, one "sips" both coffee and broth, while soup is "eaten" or "slurped"). To me though, coffee is a "fruit-seed tea". Maybe Dan is right.
    But hey, that's just a theory...A COMMENT SECTION THEORY...aaaaaaaand *click*

    • @justinwhite2725
      @justinwhite2725 2 года назад +27

      Tea requires tea leaves. Herbal tea requires herbs.
      Coffee seeds are neither.

    • @demetrian7856
      @demetrian7856 2 года назад +26

      Well tea can also be classified as a soup, so I don't get this point.

    • @lennaerthondelink7374
      @lennaerthondelink7374 2 года назад +3

      Nah I be drinking my soup

    • @dinamosflams
      @dinamosflams 2 года назад +8

      also with soup you never filter them and eat the content/ingredients that were used aswell and, as matt straight up said, people don't ever eat the paste that was used to make the coffee

    • @patax144
      @patax144 2 года назад +9

      yeah in spanish we have this term, "agua aromatica" aromatic water, we use it when we talk about hot beverages based off fruits, and herbs, and whatever might aromatize the water, for me tea and coffee are part of that group, but because of their extra popularity they have their own label.

  • @arborealmole8079
    @arborealmole8079 2 года назад +252

    While I haven’t watched the full video yet, I do have several other questions along the lines of the title-
    Is cereal a grain salad?
    Is ketchup a jam?

    • @drewe2331
      @drewe2331 2 года назад +14

      There's a lot more to unwrap on that ketchup question. Historically ketchups are sauces made but preserving something in vinegar. Mushroom ketchup was very popular for a long time. What we eat is tomato ketchup. What CAN be posited is that mustard is ketchup.

    • @KrepsyK
      @KrepsyK 2 года назад

      Yes? I think?

    • @pressplayulysses
      @pressplayulysses 2 года назад +7

      Is mayonnaise an instrument?

    • @topazlynx2228
      @topazlynx2228 2 года назад

      Well that is a good question, is Ketchup a jam? Cause if it is that means there is a jam I like.

    • @belmontparkers
      @belmontparkers 2 года назад +1

      Jams are just Jellies with seeds. Jams/Jellies are mashed or pureed fruits mixed with sugar and pectin/gelatin and then left to thicken into a mass of wobbly rigidity.
      Ketchup is missing the pectin/gelatin and flows... so no.

  • @swatinath6239
    @swatinath6239 Год назад +2

    8:47 to keep it chilled

  • @thekingspaceworm
    @thekingspaceworm Год назад

    I watched the intro in .25 speed, and I just realized how much effort is put into that intro. Great job for whoever made it!

  • @micahphilson
    @micahphilson 2 года назад +975

    Infusion: "a liquid extract... prepared by steeping or soaking."
    Infuse: "to steep or soak (leaves, bark, roots, etc.) in a liquid so as to extract the soluble properties or ingredients."
    Coffee is an infusion. Not a soup.

    • @alexhutchins6161
      @alexhutchins6161 2 года назад +31

      Nice. This comment should be the number 1 putting and end to this video.

    • @reychiu2581
      @reychiu2581 2 года назад +24

      Wouldn’t it be both?

    • @alexhutchins6161
      @alexhutchins6161 2 года назад +12

      @@reychiu2581 if it is soup. Does that mean all kinds of coffee are soup

    • @alexhutchins6161
      @alexhutchins6161 2 года назад +17

      @@reychiu2581 is cold brew soup. Is instant coffee soup. If instant coffee is soup then wouldn't that mean things like Gatorade ate soup.
      While the definition of soup can work on some types of coffee. The most common one for sure. It does not include all kinds of coffee. So when 2 does work. We choose the one that works the best. And if one does not work all the time then it is not the best.

    • @alexhutchins6161
      @alexhutchins6161 2 года назад +6

      @@reychiu2581 how would you define soup to include instant coffee?

  • @MaxRobertoErikson
    @MaxRobertoErikson 2 года назад +79

    Regarding soup as a beverage, I actually drink tomato soup out of a mug every morning as part of my breakfast.

  • @setheaves9608
    @setheaves9608 9 месяцев назад

    I come back to this opener so many times. I don't know which is better: Dan angrily screaming "Don't say that!" or Tom and Jason just sitting quietly and enjoying the chaos

  • @Songman-xj5ix
    @Songman-xj5ix Год назад +1

    ‘Technically correct: the best kind of correct’
    How has Matpat never done a Futurama episode on Film Theory. Is Fry a secret genius? Is Planet Express Delivery Service actually profitable? So many cool ideas!

  • @nerdyfoxes8000
    @nerdyfoxes8000 2 года назад +1892

    Mat: "Amy's chuggin' her *bean broth* right now"
    Dan: And I took that personally.
    Edit: Wow, I just looked back at this from like 4 months ago and it has 1.3k likes. Uhm.. thanks! A lot!

    • @blockhead3585
      @blockhead3585 Год назад +1

      im not liking because this has 696 likes

    • @nerdyfoxes8000
      @nerdyfoxes8000 Год назад +3

      @@blockhead3585 Should've stopped at 666 likes tho. Or just 69. A shame, a shame

    • @baysingerfam4
      @baysingerfam4 Год назад +3

      I'm going to ruin it and be the 700th like

    • @nerdyfoxes8000
      @nerdyfoxes8000 Год назад

      @@baysingerfam4 Excellent

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 Год назад +1

      Let’s go to 6969

  • @BlackSunCompany
    @BlackSunCompany 2 года назад +82

    Quick point of order around the 9:28 mark - what you're considering "normal, rational" coffee is very limited in scope and not universal. There are many different ways to prepare coffee that still include the grounds in the final drink.
    Have you ever had Turkish-style coffee brewed in a cezve? Because the grounds are extremely fine and still in the pot while poured and served, the resulting brew is thicker and richer (especially with the foam, quite similar to the crema you get with espresso) than you get with drip coffee. It's closer to a puree than a soup.

    • @edim108
      @edim108 2 года назад +8

      I was about to comment that.
      There are so many ways to prepare coffee and the "normal, rational" way of running hot water through ground coffee beans in a coffee filter is a very modern invention and robs coffee of much of its flavor.
      Been to Istanbul a couple years ago and had the best cup of coffee in my life! It was so much more than that coffee bean flavored water that comes out of a filter...
      And supposedly it's good for your health bc you're actually drinking some of the ground seeds which contain a lot of minerals and vitamin.

  • @Thesquare0-0
    @Thesquare0-0 8 месяцев назад +2

    When you think about it, the sea is soup.

  • @regentgray762
    @regentgray762 Год назад

    I love that you showed the meeting, I wish you did it more ;-;

  • @cica517
    @cica517 2 года назад +84

    Wouldn't it technically be tea? I mean tea would also have to be soop by this logic, but like you said soop is a word to describe food, not a beverage. But we already have a word for making hot beverages by putting in stuff for only flavor, and taking it out before consumption: tea

    • @talesoftableiii1584
      @talesoftableiii1584 2 года назад +9

      I was thinking of this, but I think that tea technically has to be made with leaves. I could be wrong about that, but I think no. Though I will say that Infusion would work better than soup imo.

    • @TheCowboyMartyr
      @TheCowboyMartyr 2 года назад +4

      dawg had two chances and didn’t spell it right either time lmao

    • @TroublesomeOwl
      @TroublesomeOwl 2 года назад +5

      No .. tea is made with tea leaves. there are a lot of things that masquerade as "tea". most of the herbal teas are not really tea, but would fall under the same category as coffee does.

    • @maximelepage7664
      @maximelepage7664 2 года назад +2

      Tea is made with tea leaves.
      Herbal tea are not tea same as coffee isn't tea.
      The 3 of them are infusion though.
      The big question that needed to be addressed in that episode is "are all infusion soups?"

    • @berryman5145
      @berryman5145 2 года назад +3

      Like tea, coffee is an infusion, but no, I don't think coffe is tea.

  • @r4nd0mguy99
    @r4nd0mguy99 2 года назад +270

    “légume” is literally French for “vegetable”, so it’s weird that it’s specifically a name for beans. Coffee being a soup makes sense, but the biggest difference is the filtration. You don’t use a filter for soups.

    • @zhazan42
      @zhazan42 2 года назад +31

      You might, especially when you're skimming raw bone broth at home through something like a cheese cloth.
      I always thought of coffee more as a type of tea!

    • @crazysasha1374
      @crazysasha1374 2 года назад +6

      I'm pretty sure the French word for the word "legume" MatPat is using here is "légumineuse", which as you can see shares the same root-word.

    • @nienke7713
      @nienke7713 2 года назад +1

      @Marcus W
      bone BROTH, not soup

    • @nienke7713
      @nienke7713 2 года назад +2

      and if it doesn't use tea leafs it ain't tea, no matter how many people misuse it

    • @mikeallevesque18
      @mikeallevesque18 2 года назад

      Funnily enough, a legume in French is légumineuses and is plural by default.

  • @speedwagon1824
    @speedwagon1824 8 месяцев назад +2

    The taxonomic meaning of "bean" doesn't matter in normal speech. Coffee is bean soup, or ladybugs and bees aren't bugs.

  • @Lunar_the_enby
    @Lunar_the_enby Год назад

    spiff's chat: IS COFFEE SOUP OR TEA???? +insert arguing and calm debating+
    matpat: here you go, an answer.

  • @felipew101
    @felipew101 2 года назад +92

    I've had "coffee fruit" before, when I lived in Indonesia, it actually tastes good, so I was a bit surprised that the "coffee juice" failed.
    Also in Indonesia, kopi tubruk, coffee made with superfine grounds, have the grounds left in the cup to settle on the bottom. I assume many other cultures do the same.

    • @Zarvain
      @Zarvain 2 года назад +2

      In the United State's "old west" times that was how coffee would be made, just add grounds to boiled water and drink the gritty mess down. If memory serves I had a (late) uncle who insisted on doing this. I think he was just weird but to each there own, not like I am drink a brew of muddy water.

    • @anonymousse4138
      @anonymousse4138 2 года назад +3

      Ever had turkish coffe

    • @avoidant560
      @avoidant560 2 года назад

      Kopi luwak is good.

  • @oscarlikestea4208
    @oscarlikestea4208 2 года назад +21

    I don’t know about you but I would love to see more team Game Theory zoom call bloopers, it’s just a really interesting concept

  • @_columnina_
    @_columnina_ 11 месяцев назад +2

    0:48 who's gonna tell him slurp and drink are synonyms

  • @losmidos8756
    @losmidos8756 Год назад +1

    As a 6 year barista, this just fills me with joy. all my customers technically slurp up my seed soup. that sounds so wrong and i love it.

  • @Ahab1765
    @Ahab1765 2 года назад +135

    Two things:
    1.Coffee is a fruit seed liquid extract, but
    2."Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is understanding that it doesn't belong in a fruit-salad"
    Or we could just call it a brew. Beer, tea and coffee among other various concoctions of the boil and bubble variety.

    • @M_S_Blanc
      @M_S_Blanc 2 года назад +24

      I've always been told point 2, but I've been thinking lately...
      Tomato is botanically a fruit.
      A mango is a known fruit, and so is a pineapple. Peaches too. And Jalapeños are also botanically fruits.
      I would argue that a salsa IS a fruit salad!
      That's actually another episode idea: "Is salsa a fruit salad?"

    • @carpdog42
      @carpdog42 2 года назад +6

      Ahh bit Charisma is being able to convince your friends that tomatoes are actually an even more traditional component of fruit salad than they are familiar with.

    • @LokiScarletWasHere
      @LokiScarletWasHere 2 года назад +4

      Charisma is the ability to sell a tomato-based fruit salad

    • @jeandevine7835
      @jeandevine7835 2 года назад +3

      Actually, tomatoes do belong in a fruit salad if the fruits being used are what we normally call vegetables, but they have seeds and are technically fruits. 😉😁

    • @paulblichmann2791
      @paulblichmann2791 2 года назад +3

      Akxschually...if the tomatoes are really really ripe cherry tomatoes, it could be quite delicious.

  • @X-SPONGED
    @X-SPONGED 2 года назад +16

    0:39
    Dan's Wife : "All Coffee are Soup !"
    Editor Dan : _"If it's Beans, IT'S A DRINK !!!"_

  • @liamtyler10
    @liamtyler10 Год назад +3

    You guys should do an episode on the hydrating / dehydrating effects of differing caffeine content of coffee, and prove whether it hydrates you more or less than the counteracting diuretic effect.

    • @NotSoNormal1987
      @NotSoNormal1987 Год назад

      I've gone days and weeks without anything but coffee and caffinated soda. If it was dehydrating I'd be dead by now.

  • @justaboringidiot1298
    @justaboringidiot1298 Год назад +1

    Cooler: Let me tell you a secret... Coffee is just bean soup.

  • @kennethacuna9996
    @kennethacuna9996 2 года назад +64

    Actually when I was young, 20-25 years ago. We use coffee as soup sometimes when we don't have anything else besides our rice here in the Philippines. Rice then mixed with hot coffee. It's actually good.

    • @Guevonas0
      @Guevonas0 2 года назад +1

      Ok. Im interested. There ita a name for that dish. I use coffe for a lot of dishes. But never this way. Sounds like something i would like to try

    • @allanmasanegra9523
      @allanmasanegra9523 2 года назад

      True! Filipino here!

  • @Andrew_02.mp4
    @Andrew_02.mp4 2 года назад +58

    It was actually really entertaining to see how you all come up with ideas. I wonder if there’s anyway you could incorporate posting highlights of those videos more often

  • @leonardosimoes3208
    @leonardosimoes3208 Год назад +1

    Most food theories could be used for a middle school science fair

  • @nathanaelutz4566
    @nathanaelutz4566 Год назад

    I love that behind the scenes stuff at the beginning

  • @zwelinzima5134
    @zwelinzima5134 2 года назад +60

    Food Theory Idea: My family and I have recently discovered that Cadbury's Dairy Milk chocolate tastes different depending on what country you buy it from. We tried it with Australian chocolate vs South African chocolate. Australian chocolate tastes like it has more sugar, while South African chocolate tastes like it has more coco. I would be interested to know why this is the case, and if it's the same in other countries.

    • @araara6388
      @araara6388 2 года назад +4

      It’s because of food regulations and where the chocolate was made

    • @zwelinzima5134
      @zwelinzima5134 2 года назад +1

      @@araara6388 Ahhhhh okay. Interesting, where did you find this, I'm curious?

    • @araara6388
      @araara6388 Год назад

      @@zwelinzima5134 becuase of local distabutioning and i used to work at a stockware house for a food retailer in australia

    • @zwelinzima5134
      @zwelinzima5134 Год назад

      @@araara6388 ohhhh okay, that's really cool!

  • @captainstupid1569
    @captainstupid1569 2 года назад +45

    We need to start classifying everything as soup

    • @valterp38lover81
      @valterp38lover81 2 года назад

      Except the ocean

    • @zionfultz8495
      @zionfultz8495 2 года назад +1

      so you haven't joined the everything is soup group yet?

    • @datcap6289
      @datcap6289 2 года назад

      @@valterp38lover81 the sulphureous seas is a SOUP!

  • @3THANOSS
    @3THANOSS Год назад +1

    That intro was gold

  • @aerialapexgamer3121
    @aerialapexgamer3121 Год назад

    I want to see more of the cold open! I almost feel like you guys could have a Podcast of just discussing video ideas