I loved the episode. We needed to see more of Billy’s backstory and I think it was done really well. Billy lost his parents and the Kaplan’s lost their child and they both needed each other. William and Billy’s room is the real revelation. There is so much in there that parallels the road itself.
Completely agree! It's so sad that the Kaplans haven't been able to mourn the loss of their son. William (and now Billy's) room is definitely a revelation. Can't wait for the next episode! Thank you for your support and comment:)
lol Last week's episode was about 25 minutes, and this episode was about 42 minutes (the longest episode to date). But the fact that you thought it was too short (which is what many of us feel about ALL the episodes) means that you're loving it and want more. 😉 Thank you for supporting the show!
We realized that once we started editing and was surprised. We definitely are enjoying this show more then we thought we were going to. Thank you for your support and comment!
It's incredible how this series is positively unpredictable, I hope it continues like this, and Billy's story was very easy to understand, unlike the comics which are very confusing.
What we saw the first time was from Agatha’s perspective while she was still convinced that she was a detective. What we’re seeing in this episode is what actually happened when he broke into her house.
It was one of my favorite episodes before but I think that is because I’m a long time comic reader. Wiccans backstory in the comics is long and winding and confusing. It was nice to have the whole thing cleaned up and the character aspects really aligned. I think, also, Wiccan is one of the first gay characters to ever exist positively in comics, so giving his character room to breathe in this episode was likely part of letting fans really appreciate his entry into the MCU. As far as questions: who is lady death here for? I think she is here for Agatha. That said, everyone on the witches road has “cheated death” in some ways. Whether as a 500 year old Sicilian Witch, or as someone cursed with death that overcame it, it as someone who helped women give childbirth safely and also should be over 100. So really it could be anyone. I do want to say, I missed your name, but to the lady streamer in this video, you just have the warmest energy. Like big sister vibes. I’m eager to hear you speak up more especially about this series. (No shade to the gentleman, but since this series is so much about female power, I’d welcome your takes!)
Completely agree! That's something we've been talking about every time they reveal more things. I know the back story of the comic a little better then Maurice but he's starting to look into it more, lol! Thank you so much for your support and comment!
52:57 but she does say to Agatha “you get your power, and I get my bodies.” I think it’s a package deal, body and soul. I think the sigil might have been blocking her from fully knowing.
She did know about white Vision she made a comment about it being awkward with her old and new boyfriend fighting. They split into two fights after that point
William Kaplanis 13 in the start of the episode (bar mitzva). When he and his parents were in the car before the accident, it was at the same time as Wandavision episode 9, when Wanda puts down the Hex and frees all her hostages. The Kaplans were distracted and went through the car accident. Then, their son, William, died on the spot. While THAT was happening, Wanda and Vision put their kids, Tommy and Billy, to sleep (FOR THE LAST TIME). They thought their twins are NOT real outside the Hex. But, in fact, they are. Their 2 souls went into the nearest 2 bodies they can find. Billy Maximoff went into William Kaplan's recently dead body and Tommy is still out there somewhere. I think another character, would have been near the Hex and recently dies and his corpse would be the vessel for Tommy. That character, would be announced later or so I think.
New subscriber! Gotta say this was the longest episode of the season along with the best. Yall saying the episode was too short and had alot of questions is wild. 😂. Is seems people who know the comics are confused, and I watch the show and I ask "how are people confused?"
Lol! We realized that after we watched. I think it felt so short because we were really into the episode and just wanted a little more. I don't think we are confused .. more just questions about what it going to happen next and how it ties into everything else because they have detoured soo much from the comics, so we don't even expect for it to be anywhere close to them. Thank you so much for your support and comment. We hope to hear more from you:)
If you go back and listen right before he woke up, you can hear them saying good night to one another. Then that's when he woke up calling for Tommy because the hex was disappearing. He has power like Wanda and his essence found an empty body that was receptive to magic
It's funny because this episode is actually the longest episode so far, running time wise, i think it may have felt shorter because it was so lore heavy instead of the intencity of a trial. I love your reaction though, i love that you keep everything important in the episode and don't make a lot of cuts! This was my favourite episode so far, i think because i'm a huge fan of Billy Maximoff and seeing how they did his story in the MCU compared to the comics was interesting. I'll see if i can help with some of the questions you have though. From what i've gotten so far BIlly pulled himself into William Kaplan's body subconciously because he's a witch. That's what Agatha was saying at the end of this episode. "Don't feel guility about your talent, you survived, like witches have been doing for Centuries. You saw an empty Vessel (William Kaplan) and you moved in". This is what i've gotten from the show as the answer to how Billy is inside William's body. So if he can do it for him, it's possible he did it for Tommy too but he can't remember it. Billy also moved into William's body with amnesia his only memories are waking up and screaming the name "Tommy". That's why he kept answering the parents thoughts out loud because he didn't know he was reading their minds or that it was something he could even do. He doesn't remember anything about westview or any of the events in wandavision and they haven't shown us any indication that he actually remembers anything about who he was apart from his name. He knows that he's Billy and his brother is Tommy because we see Randall (Ralph) explain it to him this episode but he doesn't remember any of it he's just being told about it like an actual amnesia patient. Which means what Billy is "missing" at the moment is his memories and that might be what he gets back at the end of the road and perhaps his memories hold where he put Tommy's spirit. I also agree that William Kaplan is completely gone he died in the accident and no one knows because Billy moved in and it just seems like a near-death experience to everyone else which is so heartbreaking because he seemed like a lovely young man. Also since he had the Sigil on him when the hex was closing and then 3 years past on top of that, it means Wanda wouldn't have been able to find him as the sigil blocks ALL witches from being able to know his identity. Kinda sad to think that everything that happened in The Multiverse of Madness could have been avoided if she knew that Billy and potentionally Tommy were reincarnated in her home reality, but then the Darkhold wouldn't have been destroyed in every reality. I wonder if that's why Lilia put the sigil on him in the first place. I'm fairly sure Jen & Lilia are still alive, everyone in the show assumes going down in that mud kills you but we don't actually know that. I don't even know how Agatha would know what Billy did to them because she was well under the mud before he knocked them off the road, i'm not sure she could have even seen or heard what happened but she seems like she's putting on her "I'm super evil" mask and i think she's trying to make him feel guility for lashing out. After all if she was telling the truth last episode and she can't actually control her power but no one belives her and everyone including her own mother thinks shes evil she may as well play the part. We haven't even seen Lilia's trial yet and if they're still going off colour hers should be next because the leaves and colouring of the road were yellow and so far the colouring of the road has changed each time for who's trial it is. First was white for Jen second was red for Alice and then purple for Agatha's. I assume Billy would be blue and Lilia is yellow. Another thing i think may be important in this episode is that during the scene of Billy sitting in his car texting Eddie before he breaks into Agatha's home, Eddie texts Billy "You are my 🖤" and Billy's left earring is a black heart. I think this ties into the second episode of forming the coven, the last name on the list was a 🖤 and not a name, which a lot of people think represented Rio from her black heart comment to Agatha but at the time the sigil would have prevented Lilia from writing his name where as there was no reason not to just write Rio if it was infact her that was meant to be on it. If she is Lady Death she probably can't be in a coven. Also in episode 4 with the curse trial Billy gets thrown through the glass but Rio doesn't get attacked at all, further symbolizing that she's not apart of the coven and he is. So far everything in the road has been inside the lyrics of the ballad, and one of the lyrics is "I hold death's hand in mine" so i think death is supposed to appear at some point along the road as per the song lyrics and that's why Agatha says in episode 4 to Rio "You're too early". I'm not sure she's there for any one person specifically but maybe for whoever fails the roads trials, or perhaps fighting death is part of a trial but I guess we'll find out! Edit: Also "The Tower Reversed" is a tarot reading. Lilia has been doing them all season. I think the tarot refer to specific people around her where as the phrases that she doesn't remember saying i think are different points in time out of sequence that relate specifically to her, things that she will say at some point. The list of tarot cards she has said in order so far are the following; I'll leave a general interpretation of the cards next to them too. "3 of Pentacles" - Writing down the covens names. (you are pooling your experience and skills together with a larger group to accomplish shared goals.) "High Priestess" - When she meets Jen (is related with inner knowledge. Her appearance in a reading can signify that it is time for you to listen to your intuition) "3 Of Swords" - When Billy is injured (heartbreak, separation, sadness, grief, sorrow, upset, loss, trauma, tears) "Knight Of Wands" - When Alice protects Agatha (leadership, vision, big picture, taking control, daring decisions, boldness, optimism) "Tower Reversed" - With William Kaplan. (disaster, destruction, upheaval, trauma, sudden change, chaos) Look forward to seeing your future reactions! :)
Thank you so much! We love your insight! You made us think about some things that we missed. You're awesome! Now we're talking about so many new theories that we have, lol! We appreciate you! We look forward to hearing more from you:)
Jac Schaeffer and Joe Locke also confirmed that Billy is indeed the Black Heart on the list so I love that other people noticed that and his earring. I was telling my family from the premier that I thought he was actually part of the coven and the black heart referred to him- especially when I realized in episode 3 that the other witches couldn't hear him either. I also love that you brought up Alice's trial. So many people also missed that the burning part of the curse was for the women in Alices family. Since Covens share 'burdens and Blessings alike' the women were burned, but Billy couldn't be because of his gender, so the curse physically attacked him instead since he was 'cursed' as well. A lot of people miss the curse shriek just before it blows him back through the window.
They closed the door and went downstairs in wandavison. So he could have been screaming for his brother when they realized the hex was going down as they were sleepijg
Possible spoilers for Agatha all along and some other marvel properties. Lilia prediction ability are either similar to Loki's time slipping powers shown in the Loki series or the consciousness transference which was shown in X-Men Days of Future past film used by Kitty Pryor. Yes Wanda created her children but they had real souls whose bodies were attached to the hex. So the hex went down and their souls were released into the ether. Wanda did not help Billy transferred consciousness into the empty vessel of William Kaplan. Billy using telepathic Powers Wanda does not have normally to survive. The X-Men films have already established some psychics have the ability to transfer the consciousness into another body. Two examples of this is professor X and the villain Shadow King who was played by Aubrey plaza in the legion TV series. Billy broke the golden rule by transferring yourself into a dead body just like Doctor strange in the multiverse of madness which is a forbidden unseen law against nature but body possession in-universe is allowed. That only becomes an issue when you possess the body of a alternate version of yourself
LOVE THIS! That makes me new perspectives in my thought process that I need to discuss with Maurice, lol! We appreciate you and your support. Hope to hear from you again.
I loved the episode. We needed to see more of Billy’s backstory and I think it was done really well. Billy lost his parents and the Kaplan’s lost their child and they both needed each other. William and Billy’s room is the real revelation. There is so much in there that parallels the road itself.
Completely agree! It's so sad that the Kaplans haven't been able to mourn the loss of their son. William (and now Billy's) room is definitely a revelation. Can't wait for the next episode! Thank you for your support and comment:)
lol Last week's episode was about 25 minutes, and this episode was about 42 minutes (the longest episode to date). But the fact that you thought it was too short (which is what many of us feel about ALL the episodes) means that you're loving it and want more. 😉 Thank you for supporting the show!
We realized that once we started editing and was surprised. We definitely are enjoying this show more then we thought we were going to. Thank you for your support and comment!
@@MM_Talks13 Absolutely! 🌈🩵
It's incredible how this series is positively unpredictable, I hope it continues like this, and Billy's story was very easy to understand, unlike the comics which are very confusing.
I completely agree! That's the thing I love most about this series.
What we saw the first time was from Agatha’s perspective while she was still convinced that she was a detective. What we’re seeing in this episode is what actually happened when he broke into her house.
We figured that out pretty quickly and thought it was fun and interesting. Loved seeing the reality, lol!
It was one of my favorite episodes before but I think that is because I’m a long time comic reader. Wiccans backstory in the comics is long and winding and confusing.
It was nice to have the whole thing cleaned up and the character aspects really aligned. I think, also, Wiccan is one of the first gay characters to ever exist positively in comics, so giving his character room to breathe in this episode was likely part of letting fans really appreciate his entry into the MCU.
As far as questions: who is lady death here for? I think she is here for Agatha. That said, everyone on the witches road has “cheated death” in some ways. Whether as a 500 year old Sicilian Witch, or as someone cursed with death that overcame it, it as someone who helped women give childbirth safely and also should be over 100. So really it could be anyone.
I do want to say, I missed your name, but to the lady streamer in this video, you just have the warmest energy. Like big sister vibes. I’m eager to hear you speak up more especially about this series. (No shade to the gentleman, but since this series is so much about female power, I’d welcome your takes!)
Completely agree! That's something we've been talking about every time they reveal more things. I know the back story of the comic a little better then Maurice but he's starting to look into it more, lol! Thank you so much for your support and comment!
52:57 but she does say to Agatha “you get your power, and I get my bodies.” I think it’s a package deal, body and soul. I think the sigil might have been blocking her from fully knowing.
I somewhat agree with you and Maurice, but I still think that she's looking for just the soul in the body, but I could be wrong:)
Agatha was under the spell so what we see from Billy is what ACTUALLY happened 😂
Once we figured that out, it made us laugh because we were soo confused at first, lol!
She did know about white Vision she made a comment about it being awkward with her old and new boyfriend fighting. They split into two fights after that point
@@ThePixilYT That's right! I do remember that line
William Kaplanis 13 in the start of the episode (bar mitzva). When he and his parents were in the car before the accident, it was at the same time as Wandavision episode 9, when Wanda puts down the Hex and frees all her hostages. The Kaplans were distracted and went through the car accident. Then, their son, William, died on the spot. While THAT was happening, Wanda and Vision put their kids, Tommy and Billy, to sleep (FOR THE LAST TIME). They thought their twins are NOT real outside the Hex. But, in fact, they are. Their 2 souls went into the nearest 2 bodies they can find. Billy Maximoff went into William Kaplan's recently dead body and Tommy is still out there somewhere. I think another character, would have been near the Hex and recently dies and his corpse would be the vessel for Tommy. That character, would be announced later or so I think.
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Gotta say this was the longest episode of the season along with the best. Yall saying the episode was too short and had alot of questions is wild. 😂. Is seems people who know the comics are confused, and I watch the show and I ask "how are people confused?"
Lol! We realized that after we watched. I think it felt so short because we were really into the episode and just wanted a little more. I don't think we are confused .. more just questions about what it going to happen next and how it ties into everything else because they have detoured soo much from the comics, so we don't even expect for it to be anywhere close to them. Thank you so much for your support and comment. We hope to hear more from you:)
If you go back and listen right before he woke up, you can hear them saying good night to one another. Then that's when he woke up calling for Tommy because the hex was disappearing. He has power like Wanda and his essence found an empty body that was receptive to magic
It's funny because this episode is actually the longest episode so far, running time wise, i think it may have felt shorter because it was so lore heavy instead of the intencity of a trial.
I love your reaction though, i love that you keep everything important in the episode and don't make a lot of cuts!
This was my favourite episode so far, i think because i'm a huge fan of Billy Maximoff and seeing how they did his story in the MCU compared to the comics was interesting.
I'll see if i can help with some of the questions you have though.
From what i've gotten so far BIlly pulled himself into William Kaplan's body subconciously because he's a witch. That's what Agatha was saying at the end of this episode. "Don't feel guility about your talent, you survived, like witches have been doing for Centuries. You saw an empty Vessel (William Kaplan) and you moved in". This is what i've gotten from the show as the answer to how Billy is inside William's body. So if he can do it for him, it's possible he did it for Tommy too but he can't remember it. Billy also moved into William's body with amnesia his only memories are waking up and screaming the name "Tommy". That's why he kept answering the parents thoughts out loud because he didn't know he was reading their minds or that it was something he could even do. He doesn't remember anything about westview or any of the events in wandavision and they haven't shown us any indication that he actually remembers anything about who he was apart from his name. He knows that he's Billy and his brother is Tommy because we see Randall (Ralph) explain it to him this episode but he doesn't remember any of it he's just being told about it like an actual amnesia patient. Which means what Billy is "missing" at the moment is his memories and that might be what he gets back at the end of the road and perhaps his memories hold where he put Tommy's spirit.
I also agree that William Kaplan is completely gone he died in the accident and no one knows because Billy moved in and it just seems like a near-death experience to everyone else which is so heartbreaking because he seemed like a lovely young man.
Also since he had the Sigil on him when the hex was closing and then 3 years past on top of that, it means Wanda wouldn't have been able to find him as the sigil blocks ALL witches from being able to know his identity. Kinda sad to think that everything that happened in The Multiverse of Madness could have been avoided if she knew that Billy and potentionally Tommy were reincarnated in her home reality, but then the Darkhold wouldn't have been destroyed in every reality. I wonder if that's why Lilia put the sigil on him in the first place.
I'm fairly sure Jen & Lilia are still alive, everyone in the show assumes going down in that mud kills you but we don't actually know that. I don't even know how Agatha would know what Billy did to them because she was well under the mud before he knocked them off the road, i'm not sure she could have even seen or heard what happened but she seems like she's putting on her "I'm super evil" mask and i think she's trying to make him feel guility for lashing out. After all if she was telling the truth last episode and she can't actually control her power but no one belives her and everyone including her own mother thinks shes evil she may as well play the part.
We haven't even seen Lilia's trial yet and if they're still going off colour hers should be next because the leaves and colouring of the road were yellow and so far the colouring of the road has changed each time for who's trial it is. First was white for Jen second was red for Alice and then purple for Agatha's. I assume Billy would be blue and Lilia is yellow.
Another thing i think may be important in this episode is that during the scene of Billy sitting in his car texting Eddie before he breaks into Agatha's home, Eddie texts Billy "You are my 🖤" and Billy's left earring is a black heart. I think this ties into the second episode of forming the coven, the last name on the list was a 🖤 and not a name, which a lot of people think represented Rio from her black heart comment to Agatha but at the time the sigil would have prevented Lilia from writing his name where as there was no reason not to just write Rio if it was infact her that was meant to be on it. If she is Lady Death she probably can't be in a coven.
Also in episode 4 with the curse trial Billy gets thrown through the glass but Rio doesn't get attacked at all, further symbolizing that she's not apart of the coven and he is. So far everything in the road has been inside the lyrics of the ballad, and one of the lyrics is "I hold death's hand in mine" so i think death is supposed to appear at some point along the road as per the song lyrics and that's why Agatha says in episode 4 to Rio "You're too early". I'm not sure she's there for any one person specifically but maybe for whoever fails the roads trials, or perhaps fighting death is part of a trial but I guess we'll find out!
Edit: Also "The Tower Reversed" is a tarot reading. Lilia has been doing them all season. I think the tarot refer to specific people around her where as the phrases that she doesn't remember saying i think are different points in time out of sequence that relate specifically to her, things that she will say at some point. The list of tarot cards she has said in order so far are the following; I'll leave a general interpretation of the cards next to them too.
"3 of Pentacles" - Writing down the covens names. (you are pooling your experience and skills together with a larger group to accomplish shared goals.)
"High Priestess" - When she meets Jen (is related with inner knowledge. Her appearance in a reading can signify that it is time for you to listen to your intuition)
"3 Of Swords" - When Billy is injured (heartbreak, separation, sadness, grief, sorrow, upset, loss, trauma, tears)
"Knight Of Wands" - When Alice protects Agatha (leadership, vision, big picture, taking control, daring decisions, boldness, optimism)
"Tower Reversed" - With William Kaplan. (disaster, destruction, upheaval, trauma, sudden change, chaos)
Look forward to seeing your future reactions! :)
Thank you so much! We love your insight! You made us think about some things that we missed. You're awesome! Now we're talking about so many new theories that we have, lol! We appreciate you! We look forward to hearing more from you:)
Jac Schaeffer and Joe Locke also confirmed that Billy is indeed the Black Heart on the list so I love that other people noticed that and his earring. I was telling my family from the premier that I thought he was actually part of the coven and the black heart referred to him- especially when I realized in episode 3 that the other witches couldn't hear him either.
I also love that you brought up Alice's trial. So many people also missed that the burning part of the curse was for the women in Alices family. Since Covens share 'burdens and Blessings alike' the women were burned, but Billy couldn't be because of his gender, so the curse physically attacked him instead since he was 'cursed' as well. A lot of people miss the curse shriek just before it blows him back through the window.
They closed the door and went downstairs in wandavison. So he could have been screaming for his brother when they realized the hex was going down as they were sleepijg
56:04 I think she would never kill
A child particularly one that reminds her of her son
Yes it was the bed part because she left it was daylight still
Possible spoilers for Agatha all along and some other marvel properties. Lilia prediction ability are either similar to Loki's time slipping powers shown in the Loki series or the consciousness transference which was shown in X-Men Days of Future past film used by Kitty Pryor. Yes Wanda created her children but they had real souls whose bodies were attached to the hex. So the hex went down and their souls were released into the ether. Wanda did not help Billy transferred consciousness into the empty vessel of William Kaplan. Billy using telepathic Powers Wanda does not have normally to survive. The X-Men films have already established some psychics have the ability to transfer the consciousness into another body. Two examples of this is professor X and the villain Shadow King who was played by Aubrey plaza in the legion TV series. Billy broke the golden rule by transferring yourself into a dead body just like Doctor strange in the multiverse of madness which is a forbidden unseen law against nature but body possession in-universe is allowed. That only becomes an issue when you possess the body of a alternate version of yourself
LOVE THIS! That makes me new perspectives in my thought process that I need to discuss with Maurice, lol! We appreciate you and your support. Hope to hear from you again.
let's maybe retire the word gyp
I felt like we needed more of Agatha
not for this episode. This was about Billy
I like getting a quick look at Billy's back story. Thank you for your comment.