How Smash Bros REDESIGNS Their Characters | ConnorWing
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- Smash Brothers has characters. Like Mario or Link or Samus or Pikachu or Kirby or Donkey Kong or
but how do they redesign their marios and links and samuses and pikachus and kirbys and donkey kongs?
let's find out
I see y'all have a lot of comments. Here's me talking about 'em: ruclips.net/video/AclI-u52i8A/видео.html
Sonic & Sora are unchanged because their games already sit in the sweet spot between cartoony disney mascots and hyper realistic humans and stylized anime characters.
Oooh, I didn't even think about that! Good eye!
It is funny, you can put Sora next to any character in the Smash roster and he'll fit right in, be it Ike or Yoshi, he works next to both anime guys and cartoons
Well sora IS a cartoony Disney mascot 😁
Also, Sonic has some heavy mandates on his design, which is probably why his colors are all just variations of blue.
@@LG555oh i never knew that
The Star Fox characters are under-appreciated in this aspect. Fox’s and Falco’s designs post-Melee were so good that they became their canon designs in the Star Fox series. Wolf doesn’t have the same excuse because he didn’t even have a model in Zero so he should’ve been near the top of this list
Brawl Fox is mostly based on his appearance in SF Command, and I find it a bit too cutesy. Melee Fox is my favorite rendition of the character, though maybe it could use a teensy bit more stylization to not look so much like a real fox. Editing this comment to say I found fan art of Melee Fox that doesn't have the fur and other small details that make him look realistic and I think that alone might do the job.
Actually, Dr. Mario has one key difference in his design. In Smash, he wears jeans instead of his usual white pants
dang, those white pamts were awesome
pamts
The only problem I have is that, since Melee, Mario looks less like his cheery self and more like Pissed-Off-Plumber Man
Yeah that's fair. He's very angry in smash for some reason
@@connors_stories To Be Fair. This Is A Side Of Mario We Don't See Often. so its kinda fresh, and its not always the happy go lucky plumber we all know and love.
He is like that in the Strikers games too.
He got that Brooklyn rage
He’s like that in the more aggressive sport titles, it ain’t new for the character
I really feel like the epitome of smash redesigns is Pit from Kid Icarus, cus Brawl reinvented his whole look, and said look was used in his next game to the point where it’s now his default design.
I'm glad someone is talking about this aspect of Smash more, it amazes me how characters like Ridley and Ice Climbers can be in the same game and not look too jarring next to each other
Thank you! I appreciate it :)
Great video, I'm surprised very few people have talked about it.
One thing I'd like to add is that I feel like you could probably get away with moving Peach into the "full redesign tier". Her dress is definitely a big change but they also changed up her body proportions and she ends up looking a bit more realistic (or I guess barbie doll proportions). It's most easily noticed when you look at her face; she ends up having a bit of a more anime-ish style look with her bigger eyes and smaller head. Especially when compared to Daisy and Rosalina, who mostly retain their facial proportions from the Mario games, despite having more elegant dresses like Peach.
Very true! The tiers aren't definitive, and it's been fun to see people in the comments disagree and discuss which tiers are what :) good thought!
I feel like I'm the only one who sees Peach's face. I'm glad you brought that up! Her cheeks are more shown, her head is much more rounder than pointy like in Super Mario, and her pupils are much bigger, she also has rosy cheeks. I wish they just stuck Peach's Super Mario proportions to Smash proportions to keep it even with all the princesses.
Imo, Bayonetta definitely classifies as “Same Design in a New Artstyle”, because of the very drastic changes in anatomy.
Bayonetta games have the characters with these really freakishly-long proportions, particularly the legs.
You just need to put Bayonetta’s models from her games and from Smash side by side, adjust the heads to match in size and see the difference. (It’s almost like how the Minecraft and Smash Endermen are, lol.)
Sonic fans feeling the pain when “unchanged” sounded while he was on screen
Ugh, yeah... it just disgusts me how his mouth looks 😭
@@JRENZO10fr, in the next smash id rather see the forces model then what we have,(tho they should use unleashed model)
@@SonicTheBlueBlur15 they should make a new model with a mix of 06 and unleashed like how brawl did it
@@SonicTHedgehog_69420 Brawl Sonic was PEAK. So much snark, his quills were animated, that gradient from light blue to dark blue, it's just such a good mishmash of designs but it works so much better than the utterly milquetoast one we've had since Smash 4.
@@SonicTHedgehog_69420I'm pretty sure Brawl Sonic was a modification of the Secret Rings model, I could be wrong though
1:49 I love the reaction with Toon Link, I love his Brawl Pose cause it’s so funny
Yeah, the Brawl realistic style is definitely not my favorite. But I can appreciate the fact that that's what makes that game so unique.
That's super fair! It's just not my favorite direction for smash, haha
@@connors_stories understandable. I'll also say that Toon Link's hair being super realistic is not OK. Not at all.
Yup, I kind of like that late 2000s grittiness, maybe nostalgia is influencing me. The video also reminded me of the similar reaction I had when I first saw Toon Link in Brawl. I think he looks fine now, but I could’ve gotten used to it after playing so much Project+. Still, I agree that Ultimate perfected the Smash art style.
@@kicksyo2171 I fucking LOVE the direction they went in with Toon Link personally. I like tooniness with realistic patterns.
FINALLY SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT THE DESIGNS IN SMASH
I absolutely love the way that Smash redesigns/tweaks how characters look, not only to fit into the game's art style but also to give them a fresh new look that's exciting and... well, new
I've legit been so into the way that Smash does it's redesigns that I've sometimes randomly thought to myself about how some of my OC's that I've made would be redesigned if they were turned into a Smash model LMAO
Ok, I'm a big fan of the Super Mario series and never did I noticed how much detail they added to Peach's dress. I knew I liked that design more, but I couldn't figure out why
It’s by far *the* most notable in Brawl! Notably, the designers gave Peach heart-shaped imprints _and_ ribbons on her shoulder sleeves, and the front part of her ballgown has ruffles. I’m sad these smaller, unnecessary but touching details got cut in Sm4sh and subsequently Ultimate…
I like the jean overalls on the plumbers.
I wish Nintendo would use smash peach in the mario series, she looks so much bettter and doesn't look like a jakks Pacific toy lol
Her Smash appearance both in Melee and beyond would be sooo nice to see. Even though I adore her Brawl appearance the most I’d take any other outfit besides her plain dress we see her in the Mario series…
@@bobthebuilder9509 I do really like her brawl appearance as well 👍
The Mario Movie took a design element from Smash
More specifically the upper body part
nahhh, shes be wayy too detailed for the mario series. she would be completely out of place! also she already IS a jakks pacific toy and i LOVE jakks pacific toys.
her simplicity is already perfect for the series alongside being very pretty.
@@blueberyramuneDefinitely, as someone who collects Jakks Pacific toys, Peach has SO many. And she'll get even more.
I would count K. Rool in the completely new designs too, because... i mean look at him. They took some details like the darker green and the gold plate from his DKC appeareances, but also for example the slightly smaller crown from the later games, and also made him scaly.
I like to think that the reason Bowser Jr. doesn't have scales is because the scales come from age or something.
Why did you say "is because" twice? /genq
@@BinglesP Thanks for the catch. Fixed.
they created a whole new design for wolf and in brawl they made his design with only his headshot for reference
I just looked into it, and even though he has some original aspects, he seems to be heavily based on his "Star Fox Assault" appearance, with the blue jacket and massive shoulder pads. It is pretty heavily altered though, enough to at least bump it into minor or full redesign. Good catch though! Made me think!
@@connors_storiesand they more or less repeated that in Smash Ultimate
@@goGothitaLOL not sure. Like the other Star Fox crew, the design is from Star Fox Zero
Also worth noting that Peach’s face looks kinda different, whereas Rosalina’s and Daisy’s are more or less the same (especially the former)
The Switch ditched Mii's as a system level thing, so Ultimate was under no real obligation to match some more general standard. Optimizing the designs for Smash when you don't have to worry about the Mii being a bit different from the start menu avatar makes sense.
Brawl textures are ugly, but you gotta give them credit that thanks to them some characters like Olimar and Peach started the redesigns.
Like, they have so many cool features and additions it's hard not to love them even if looking too gloomy.
But meanwhile Peach just looks more royal, i especially like Olimar because his suit actually looks more like a spacesuit, and in Smash 4 he even got minor adjustments like the top buttons being blue, the whistle and insignias of Hocotate Freight (the company he works for)
Oh very true! I probably could've touched on it more in the video, but the designs also end up influencing their mainline games a lot, like with Olimar - nowadays he basically just looks like his Smash design, and it's really neat!
@@connors_stories Don't worry, it was just a minor commentary that slipped out of the video, but i guess you could do a short little video about such topic if time is not a problem :P
Wasn’t it the other way around for Peach- where her incarnations between Melee and Brawl (notably Sunshine alongside Super Paper Mario) influenced her Brawl redesign?
Either way, definitely agree she looks more royal in Smash, and it’s a shame it didn’t even remotely get a reference in Princess Peach Showtime despite the game offering outfit changes.
Despite how he’s designed Mr Game & Watch is still a 3D character
It’s kinda cursed, actually
3:17 I’m going to be honest, I dont WANT to see scaly Bowser Jr 😅😅😅
Pit & Palutena both belong in the full redesign tier as of brawl and onwards, before 2006 their designs were more cartoony and basic until brawl however where both received an overhaul making them look more mainstream and zelda like
I don't think Brawl have a bad style or design, it's very different but I think none of them are ugly or something like that. For me it's the 3rd best
But Melee, though... damn, that plastic gross things of models still don't click for me. Poor Yoshi, for God's sake.
That's fair! Melee has that very unique early 2000's gross style that I personally find a little appealing, but I can see why it'd be gross to a lot of other people, haha
Wolf does not belong in 'same design new artstyle.' That purple jacket + pink scarf fit he wears in Ultimate is not in any StarFox game he appears in. Even when you can only see up to his neck, you can tell the outfit is noticeably different, biggest giveaway being no pink&purple. Even in Brawl when his outfit was directly inspired off his Star Fox Assualt look, they still shook it up quite a bit. His jacket was unzipped, his belt became a gold wolf, the gloves and boots changed color and style, and he got new accessories.
Yyyeah, that's my bad. Absolutely should be bumped up
the brawl art style was peak 2008
Oh hell YEAH! Smash graphics/rendition. What I loved more about this graphic/artstyle/rendition is the perfect balance and mixture between cartoony, anime, and realistic texture, making every Smash characters look connecting into each other unlike the rests of other types of rendition (like how Smash itself abandon its own realism since Brawl), although cel-shaded is still good but still 😅
Just look how together these Smash characters are in these Smash Ultimate cinematic trailers (like World of Light, Sephiroth, Sora, Kazuya, any other trailers)
Maybe, just maybe, in case Capcom make their own "Everyone is Here" Marvel vs Capcom approach, hope they also use Smash Ultimate as inspiration for the way they design their game graphic-wise, this time with the help of their engine RE Engine of course
I never thought about how bowser Jr doesn’t fit the style, but putting him next to bowser does in fact look very off
The brawl designs are very gritty and dirty, like someone had a collection of Nintendo figures that have not been aging well
Dark Samus had such a cool design in Smash only for her to be an almost exact 1:1 clone of Samus with like one niche difference.
I wish we had more official design notes about how characters designed for Smash, I'm really interested in knowing the thought process behind it. Especially for Pit, that's like the perfect redesign IMO. I wanna meet whoever came up with the idea of the bow that splits into dual swords and give 'em a big 'ol kiss.
K.Rool's gold armored belly is more because of his renders and official artworks from Rareware DK games rather than being an original addition from Smash itself what Smash did add is him being a mix of both his old and new designs + tattered cape.
3:08 I actually think this is more of a benefit than a drawback. The lack of scales and overtly monstrous textures make Jr. look a lot cuter and less intimidating than Bowser. They show that he hasn't been in as many battles, and as such, has to rely on the clown cart for intimidation.
i know this is for ultimates design but i feel like pit should've gotten some mention as kid icarus uprising did not exist when brawl came out so pits design was like 100% different
Really hot take, but I definitely enjoy Brawl’s aesthetic the most out of the Smash games. Someone claimed Peach looks like a Barbie doll in Brawl, and while I can understand the sentiment, I feel ironically the exact opposite. I loved her redesign in Brawl, but feel that Ultimate leaned way too much into a toy-like aesthetic if that makes sense…?
THIS. I think Smash went from toony > slightly realistic > realistic > slightly realistic > toony.
I love how your Persona is animated here. Very nice touch.
Thank you very much!
@@connors_stories No problem. ^^
Actually Mario Has A Few Changes In Ultimate Which Are:
Mario's Overalls: as in Brawl, they are a darker shade of blue, bc his official design is Blue, Also His Shirt And Hat Looks Like It's A Different Shade Of Red Aswell.
Mario's Shoes: For Some Reason, his shoes are like.. a other shade of Brown I Think? Yea It's odd.
And That's It Really. Mario Is Such a iconic Character Which you probaly Not Get His Design Wrong.
i find it interesting how pikachu is in the “unchanged” tier, while charizard is in the “new art style” tier. not saying that’s wrong, just interesting
great video, super underrated channel!
It's very odd, most of the pokemon look just kinda look like their usual models, but charizard gains some muscle definition and such. Very odd!
@@connors_stories I think some of it is that Smash tends to go for more detail and texture as characters get bigger. Pikachu fits in just fine next to Kirby, Ice Climbers, and Ness. At the other end of the scale you have Ridley, King K Rool, and Bowser who have tons of texture. Charizard would look extremely out of place compared to the other heavy weights without some additional detail.
It I can recall
Mega Man’s smash look went on to inspire his Mega Man 11 design.
Smash 4 released WAY before Mega Man 11 was even a thing.
And both of the designs look similar only Mega Man 11’s leans more as a mix of his Smash design and his Mega Man 7/8 design (with him looking slightly taller. Notice they both have slits and pads that were not in any other design beforehand).
It’s REALLY cool how developers take Smash as a basis for newer games, I love it!!
Coward! Artists see the challenge Smash Peach presents and tackles it (and fails repeatedly) to get it right. Even going as far back as Melee, the way they interpreted her sash and made into a sort of corset or something of that nature is just perfection.
Ganondorf, Link and Zelda in Brawl feel like their models and textures were just ported straight over from Twiligh Princess (Sheik too although they weren't in TP) since the artstyle of that game is very similar, if not did it inspire Sakurai when making Brawl's artstyle.
Sheik was unused so yeah her unused TP design was used for Brawl.
Pac-Man's design was actually slightly changed for both Smash games.
In Smash 4, his gloves were given visible seams, and his boots now had elevated heels as opposed to flat soles. These design details actually made their way outside of Smash, being present in Pac-Man's modern design in games like Pac-Man World Re-Pac.
Smash Ultimate added extra detail to his soles and an extra "ring" around where his limbs connect to his body. These design details did not retain outside of Ultimate, though.
With all that said Pac-Man's tier placement here is still fitting, since these are _incredibly_ minor details, especially after these design traits started being used outside of Smash.
Also you got Steve's Minecraft and Smash textures mixed up.
Also also, why is Dr. Mario in unchanged? He normally wears white pants, but in Smash specifically he wears black jeans.
Speaking of Peach, I really miss her Melee redesign. She looks like a real playful princess and it was also based on her N64's appearance.
I believe Simon’s design takes more from Castlevania: Grimoire of Souls, the mobile game
I'd argue they changed kirby's and dedede proportions very slightly, and they gave metaknight gauntlets.
Rip Daisy 😭😭
And Rosalina.
Who?
Tbh, I LOVE ZELDA’S DESIGN FOR ULTIMATE!
Now two of her past incarnations have been redesigned with more updated looks in the transitions from their source titles to Smash. I personally love Zelda’s Ocarina of Time appearance in Melee than I do in her looks in the actual game she appeared in. Her Twilight Princess appearance was my favorite for her time. Between her actual appearance and her appearance in Brawl, she looks alike in both, but Brawl gave her an amazing attention to detail. Smash kept up improving her appearance… until Smash 4… What happened here? Why does she look so serious? (Dark Knight reference here)
Her Ultimate became my overall favorite! She’s more cheerful and spunky! I can see this Zelda appear in just about ANYTHING. I can see her for the next Mario Kart. I would love to see her fleshed out in a spinoff title eventually!
Related to design, I think you could also make a video about what game each fighter Sakurai based them on. For example since her first appearance in smash, Rosalina is based on her appearance and personality from Super Mario Galaxy rather than the upbeat version she is portrayed in the current Mario games while Bowser and Donkey Kong act and sound like their real life counterparts (a gorilla and a dinosaur basically).
Just a suggestion.
Brawl Mario is what got me hyped for the Wii back in 06'.
You mentioned Steve's smash and Minecraft textures mixed up
does that make me an idiot or does it prove my point
@@connors_stories yes
The funny thing with Rock (Mega Man) you could probably cell shade his Smash bros design, and it could possibly pass for something like his Gears of Fate (MM11) design.
With how good the video is I'm surprised it's from a smaller channel. (Take this as a compliment)
Thank you!
Adding a second thin cylinder on Pac-Man's shoulders is the worst change they ever made
3:33 did you get these backwards on purpose? because those are definitely backwards...
also, the version on the right dosn't match the model since the texture png is the clean-shaven Steve that was used for a while after the PC version's release (I believe it was release onwards, at least...) and the model is the beard Steve which was used in earlier versions and then got brought back later on.
Sonic's model in game is actually pretty different from how he looks on his render tbh
Looking at it closely, Dark Samus is just mostly her Prime 3 design, but with cooler textures. I probably would put her in tier 2 instead
The fact that no one else has made a video like this surprises me. Nice work! I shall subscribe now (:
Appreciate it :)
Also for peach, no one seems to think its as big a deal as i think it is, but peach/daisy has long ape arms. Its hard to tell but if you see her without the dress her arms are long as hell
Something to mention about Peach too- She has a ring for some reason.
I'm pretty sure when steve got released someone made a mod that allowed to get custom minecraft skins by just typing the playername of that skin
Zelda got the same treatment as Dark Samus her design is a fusion between her design from a link to the past and link between worlds.
K rool had a golden belly I. The original trilogy of games, I don’t know why the modern DK games with him made it fleshy. Just looks off, and smash has done well to correct that oddity.
Basically a stretch but Soras hair is slightly more spikier than the kh1 model, prob to fit with his other game alts where his hair keeps changing.
Enderman basically unchanged? He’s way smaller in SSBU as a fighter than in his own series
Oops. My bad.
But that is not the real Enderman, it's just a skin, and you can have/make a skin like that in Minecraft.
@@luk3to
The alt is being treated as real Enderman rather than Steve cosplaying as one
Melee Bowser and Giga Bowser and Brawl Bowser and Giga Bowser, to me, are peak Bowser design, but I still quite like 4 Bowser and Ultimate Bowser. Giga Bowser in 4 and Ultimate, for some reason, just doesn't look right to me. In Melee and Brawl, he looks like a terrifying beast and a force of nature, but, in 4 and Ultimate, he looks like a man in a kaiju suit; he looks so out of place.
I respect everyones opinions, and I definitely loved this video
But I like brawls art style because smash 4's renders look like Plastic to me and ultimate looks slightly more shiny plastic
The only human characters that translated well to Brawl's art style are Link, Samus, and Snake, and that's because Link and Samus were almost identical to preexisting character models, and Snake just had Big Boss's face plopped onto MGS2 Snake's body.
Nah, the FE reps looked great there.
I did leave a like, and I will consider checking out your channel, but I feel this topic could have been explored way more and gone into much more detail. But still, I liked it
Realistic detail isn’t the problem. It was just the muted colors that were.
Siempre pensé que el estilo hiperrealista de Brawl fue por las cinemáticas de Subspace emmisary que tenían que verse con un estilo más cinematográfico, y siento que con las texturas más realistas (como el pantalón exageradamente detallado de Mario) lograron ese enfoque, casi igual a como hizo illumination con la película de Super Mario Bros (solo que ese sí fue completamente rediseñado)
Brawl and 4 have my favorite Artstyles in the series.
Both go very far in two different directions and I love that!
I want the gritty realism or the highly saturated. Not Ultimate's in between that I really hate
I thought of Kristen Bell saying “YA BASIC” at 5:59
Bro, I can see why some people may not like brawl’s art style and some people also say brawl isn’t the best smash game
5:24 errrm acktchually Snake’s Smash design is from MGS2 which wasn’t out yet so he would’ve been based on MGS1
I know it’s obvious the most notable difference with Pyra and Mythra is the addition of the pantyhose/tights, much more notable in with Mythra who was just bare legs (it even became a free update costume in XC2 for the latter, way before she was added)
Hey connor im new too your channel love tge vid tho💚
3:29 you got them backwards, in Minceaft the bottom of Steve’s torso is the color of his shirt where as smash bros fixes it by making the bottom of Steve’s torso the Sam color as his pants which just looks better
3:08 tbh I don't think it's a great idea to give Bowser jr more realistic textures like his dead cause it would make him look less cuter which doesn't really fits him.
Why do I like Smash Bros Brawl’s realistic art style more then Smash 4 & Ultimate’s art style.
I like brawl it was great
LOVE THE VIDEO!!!
Ganon 2:50 he does have a difference from the original design if you look close the little things on the arms has a little extra design at the wrist part of it while in the original there is no pattern there
surprised you didnt talk about pit
I was Wario Land was represented more in Smash Bros
Me too...
Banger video
Nothing is changed, Doc is definitely changed compare this to his Dr. Mario 64 design
I think the next smash game should be an in-between of 4 and ultimates graphics
Maybe! Brighter colors would be nice.
A mix of 4 and Ultimate just seems like 4 to me.
Why didn’t you give a special shout out for Pit’s design in literally all media
Brawl designed him as if he were a continuing series that didn’t see it’s last entry in the Game Boy era and looked as if a new game was right around the corner
K rool originally had golden a golden belly. They made it fleshy, which is gross
Bro spent like like 5 seconds on Roy acting like it’s not the best redesign in smash
I'm the other way around, Melee's design was really garbage, & Brawl's is amazing except for certain characters. But we can all agree that Ultimate is the best hands down for the majority of the characters.
You should look at the game models and compare them to the game models
Well, you lost me calling Brawl looking like shit.
2:37: The Sonic Fanbase would highly disagree with you there
It has always bothered me that Bowser Jr. and Bowser r two different art styles
I prefer cartoony
Am I the only one who genuinely likes the Brawl look?
Like I knue objectively it's shit but I always dug the look
I like it too
It’s not just you, I adore Brawl’s style the most.
I don't like the redesign they made in Shulk's face in Ultimate, he looks pathetic... I wish there was an update which would make him more like the Definitive Edition
Are you a Metroid fan? I couldn’t tell
no i hate it
@@connors_stories I’ll take the amiibo then