Was Lunastra REALLY that bad? | Monster Hunter World
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2021
- Monster Hunter World's version of Lunastra gets alot of hate, but is it warranted? Let's have a retrospective look at the monster and see just what she brought to the table and why people get so dang mad about it.
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As an insect glaive main: Wow this reskin of Teostra is pretty cool
As a lance main : _Vietnam stare_
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currently fighting her for the first time as a lance main, this is exactly it...
Lance Mains get no chill at all while Longsword Mains get everything
I really think her main issue is that she creates too many fire patches. The patches themselves are fine and bring some interesting mechanics, but she makes so many so fast that the area just becomes an unavoidable minefield in minutes. Then her nova sets them all off and there’s practically nowhere to go. The nova itself would be manageable if the patches weren’t all over the place. Just throw on a fireproof mantle and it does literally nothing to you
And this fucker's tail is too long.
If you drink cold drinks it let's you walk through the fire patches without taking damage, tho is doesn't help when she sets them off, also killed arch tempered lunastra in base game with a hammer :]
Eat astre meat too for healing and stuff and uk that's what makes for lunastra fun to fight for more better fight is arch temepered lunastra u need to fight that monster with our hunters skill not by warriors skills that's what makes it fun 🤤 i fought her like 2-3 time ya her attacks are annoying like wow damn fuck u how much lava are u putting on me but still we will kick it ass out
Honestly what I remembered the most about Lunastra was her roar being followed up with an attack before you could get free without earplugs. Felt so cheap, mostly because the windup is really fast and she loves to spam it almost as much as Kushala.
To make the fight bearable you would need so many things it's ridiculous.
Fire Mantle, Fire Defense of atleast 20, Speed Eating 3 (and maybe recovery up 3) for faster healing when she uses the nova, Earplugs 5, Kushala Daora Set (this negates Dragon Wind, which she uses, normal windproof can't negate Dragon Wind)
@@obambagaming1467
If you're talking about MH:W
Having a competent Hunting Horn player vs her and Kushala Daora helps A LOT.
Horns with Negate Wind Pressure make them so much more manageable.
@@obambagaming1467 Lunastra doesn't use Dragon wind and Fire Reistance is irrelevant to her main source of DMG
@@ramika30898 Wind Negation as well as Fire Mantle are still really useful
@@obambagaming1467 Wind Resistance is useless on her (except for Bow) if you knows what you're doing with your weapon. Fireproof Mantles/Fire Resistance is also useless because all of the attack that those stats help are telegraphed and exploitable
Now that I think about it, the patch that added Lunastra to World was the beginning of most of my major issues with World/Iceborn. Attacks that kill you outright unless you stop what you're doing and perform a very specific minigame to survive, temporal mantle, and the overall power creep seesaw that occurred every patch.
The first part is still really annoying even in Rise. Just look at MR Allmother Dragonator attack. The only reliable way to counter is to use the farcaster.
The Gaismagorm minigame where you have to shoot it is atleast more creative and interesting.
So far Rise/Sunbreak have no power creep so far. Some new armor is really good but only because they are endgame monsters. Otherwise other armor and weapons from much weaker monsters are still really reliable.
@@obambagaming1467 if you hug the walls the dragonators won't hit you
@@DavidReyes-mq6wp always tried but never worked for some reason.
Everytime I am hunting her basically everyone else too just uses a Farcaster
@@obambagaming1467Weird, I don't remember ever getting hit by the dragonators while hugging the walls. Usually I got hit because I was trying to get past them and attack Allmother since you can prevent the nuke and get an easy knock-down by doing so while she's charging up. Had way more success doing that then trying to knock down Gaisma with the guns lol.
@@obambagaming1467 You just go to the center, while avoiding the dragonators. It's really not that hard.
My two main issues with lunastra:
1- her special assignment before you can actually slay her. She had too much HP that needed to be taken down in 15 minutes and the arena you fought her in made her supernova unavoidable. You either had to pretty much perfectly execute a sequence of dives or you're dead. You can't play too defensive either or you fail the ridiculously strict DPS check.
2- the nova, that's my only problem with the fight itself. The puddles are annoying as hell but manageable. The nova just feels so artificially difficult. Dying to the nova rarely ever feels like your fault. Its pretty telling when I went back to her HR fight with endgame MR gear and the nova can still bring you to almost dead
The first quest with her felt more punishing than Fatalis or Alatreon
@@obambagaming1467I’m doing that quest right now and it feels like the hardest hunt in the entire game, nothing compares
lol what? You are just bad. Asmon solo her first try
@@brojakmate9872Asmon watcher 😂
@@unioneye1087 Asmon watcher 🗿
The thing that irritates me about Lunastra is not necessarily the puddles, and not even really the nova, it’s how she runs up to you and flinches you which leaves you staggered and opens you up to her next attack. She roars and runs you down and knocks you on your ass and then hits you with harder attacks. I just found it annoying how she’s so aggressive but her moves aren’t easily avoidable. I get it that she’s supposed to be hard but I just found it really annoying to fight her. There’s other monsters and bosses that are hard that are more fair and predictable.
For example Velkhana is pretty challenging and she has charge attacks but they’re much more easily avoidable and her moves are predictable and fair.
I know you can jewel in flinch free, ear plugs, windproof but I find it’s way too much of a stat investment and you’re gonna be sacrificing a lot of dps to do so.
This. I don't like complaining about the wind pressure or the flames since you as a hunter can bring skills to counter it. But the thing i hated the most with her is the headbutt and she chains it so many times it's actually annoying. Pair it with her non stop wind pressure and constant heat damage and it's a recipe for a sour experience.
The only issue I’ve ever had with the Luna fight was her hypernova and the fact it was basically unavoidable. You HAD to take to dragon strength wind pressure during the nova which more often than not, leaves you in a bad position. You couldn’t superman dive or I-frame roll through it. There was essentially no way to counteract that unless you made the kushala set which I was very unwilling to do. I always use high damage sets on monsters I never go defensive. The fire patches I can see the complaint about tho. She shouldn’t make as much at one time and the hit boxes should be fixed on them. Other than that, she’s honestly great. I personally love her aggression and her mix ups on attacks. The fact she has two variations of the tail whip is really cool and both still have their own telegraphs.
use hunting horn. her wind pressure becomes non existent
There is also the Nergigante weapons which pretty much go "hahaha haha, nope" to most of Lunastra's attacks
You can absolutely Superman dive through it 😂
The game shouldn’t force you to use a specific weapon for a monster though
Difficulty isn't my issue with her. Every other monster feels fair to fight she does not. Best example I have is her roar, hunters will do the normal cover their ears but she is already attacking by the time you gain control back.
Earplugs my child. I always have at least 4 points on me, It gave me so many easy bonks at the start of fight. Sometimes even 2 bonks in a row if played swiftly or have a stonethrower skill
I think that’s fine, if her attacks sent you flying
@@herenaakuma85 So she *requires* earplugs, heat proof, fire res, and windproof... Yeah, this hunt sucks.
@@Wizard_Lizard_ one or two of those are enough. Also monster pushing you to do certain builds is not a bad monster. It challanges you in a different way than others by limiting your demage ups (if you shield yourself with skills against monsters effects) or giving you harder time when you decide to raw damage it. Its your choice but her challange. Its simmilar to alatreons push for elemental builds
Her fight is not "to hard" its worse. Its not fun. I killed her in far less trys than Fatalis, but i enjoyed the fight with Fatalis. Even after i got a hang of her, i still had no fun fighting Lunastra.
Even alatreon felt like I was slowly but surely learning my way around the fight
Lunastra was just annoying bullshit the whole way through
Charge blade main btw
@@kaden-sd6vb after the first time i fight her mostly only with far to overpowered gear, because that makes the fight shorter. I just dont like it! XD want it done if i need to.
Escaton judgement doesn't come with wind pressure or a flinch or whatever, and deals lower damage if you've done enough elemental damage to alatreon.
Lunastra's nova inflicts that damage over time, plus wind pressure, plus two major damage pulses, PLUS puffs from the fire puddles.
Yall see the issue?
My problem with lunastra is that she uses two mechanics that I just really hate: mines and wind pressure. I see mines as a cheap way of damaging a hunter after an attack is dodged. For example, glavenus will shoot a fireball at you, which explodes a second later. Not the worst thing, but I just feel like it's kinda cheap. Also wind pressure. WIND PRESSURE. Wind fucking pressure. Oh no its windy! I must cover my face? Wind pressure seems like it should just knock you on your butt most the time, but instead the smallest amount of wind will force your character to cover their face (for whatever reason) or they will just stand there posing for a few seconds, giving the monster a very big opening to hit you.
Strangely I find that a lot of later game monsters are like, "Oh? You like to use a melee weapon? Well f@&k you, you don't get to play the game".
Then you build any old bowgun and they just kinda flail around helplessly... Or you use Sticky ammo, in which case they don't get a chance to flail and just lay on the floor until they die.
In MHW? Yes, yes she was. Easily one of the worst fights in the game. The only monster that beat her in being absolute an cancer to fight is Kushala.
I’d say The Final Fantasy quest monsters are worse but yeah, Kushala, MR Kushala in particular, is goddam painful
Keep crying
What I love the most about the nova are the completely random fire bursts that can't really be dodged and will not only damage you but cancel what you're doing and make it almost impossible to still have to go out of the way. Her nova is so annoying that I generally choose to just farcast away and apparently for the very first frames of the animation for farcasters you aren't invincible already so even though I spammed my farcaster as soon as possible a random fire burst blasted me away to certain death (was against her AT).
Overall I think Lunastra is just badly unbalanced and certain parts of her fight feel not thought through. She isn't close to feel as justifiably difficult as Fatalis and Alatreon (which were my favourite hunts in the game) and is just annoying. I don't even think she is that difficult and certainly not if you are using both the rocksteady and fire protection mantle while playing solo but still feels unfair. Her being an Elder Dragon isn't a 5D chess move from Capcom to convey that she is supposed to be that and I think it only really could justify a certain amount of difficulty you would expect from an Elder Dragon and not whatever this is
This was pretty good! A shame it seems to not have gotten much attention, it really opened my eyes to how to look at lunastra differently (i still hate the wind pressure tho)
Thanks for the kind words Paella! I’m glad you liked the video :)
I'm so sorry, I truly appreciate your share of perspective and I thank for it, but I can't take anymore of Lunastra and I don't like it whatsoever. I don't know why so many hunters can encourage the others to take it easy; just max your fire res, use fireproof mantle, etc. It is hard and not enjoyable, at least for me, and some other hunters. Saying our judgement of a particular monster is misplaced, was a total understatement. Why we can not angry for what we have got but we can not enjoy? Why the developers give us something we can not understand? "Lunastra intended to be the new final monster", what the hell was that? "Lunastra is an Elder Dragon that is supposed to be hard", yeah we knew it! I don't know why you've come up with that excuse while totally comprehend that Alatreon's problems are decided by the developers' choice (but I'm glad you admit it). We can not enjoy as you guys do. It is what it is. Please, admit that not all of us are as good as you. I've seen your Alatreon video and thank you for being generous over you statement regarding Alatreon mechanics. It is just my little rant and I'm sorry for overreacting you video.
lunsastra was difficult for the wrong reason of unfair annoying mechanics and unfair fire damage especially the hp decrease when you even go near her and the 1 hit ko super nova and omg those fires every annoying
I think Lunastra was terribly executed, and deserves her hate (though not every criticism is fair). Her concept though, excellent. Napalm counterpart to Teostra is really neat, mostly unique to the series. However, the main two problems are how ENORMOUS the hitboxes are on the fire puddle explosions, and of course the nova. I am not a fan of how much more damage the attacks she shares with Teostra do either. I think the fixes to her are extremely simple, just adjust the size of the fire explosions, the timing on her nova, and her physical attack damage and I think she'd actually be a very good fight. As of now though she is absolutely not a fair fight. I have faith in MH6's rendition of her though
It is a pain to fight her at times but I adore the mechanics of the fight, and it’s entertaining seing people fight lunastra as well
Agreed! I think the mechanics she brought with her were a real step up for MonHun
I like seeing people carting by her nova.
I agree with just about everything here, but I’d like to add that Lunastra’s hitzones are probably the worst in the game:
Cut weapons do the most damage to the wings, which outside of knockdowns and the IG are pretty much unavailable at all times
Shot weapons do the most damage at the tail, even more than cut weapons (????) but good luck getting behind lunastra for longer than half a second. The tail, like the wings, is also usually too high for cut weapons to reach
There are no weakpoints on her forelegs, body or hindlegs so you’re doing pitiful damage for most of the hunt unless you crowd the head. Her worst attacks come from directly in front of her and in multiplayer you have to deal with tripping because all 4 hunters are basically forced to attack the head outside of knockdowns
Her neck and foreleg hitzones are deceptively big and her head hitzone is quite small. You can line up an attack on what you think is the head and end up hitting something that isn’t a weak point and has bad hitzone values
On top of all of this she’s SO FAST. Any attack you try on tail or head will probably end up in you getting hit or she moves and you hit legs or body. Put together, I never feel like I can land a good hit against this thing.
Commenting this as I watch it, but the main reason people disliked her on launch was because she was broken.
Capcom gave her the wrong stats, which they fixed in the following update. Lunastras stats were always set to 'Tempered' (or Arch Tempered? I forgot which). Which, of course, made her way too powerful.
That, with the reasons you named, was why people hated her.
Biggest thing that makes the hypernova deal withable for me is that you can pop it with a flash pod. Once she's fully charged, flash pod her and RUN. She'll explode and you'll get out of dodge and trivialize the matter.
Doesn't actually work (Unless they changed what I'm about to say).
If you try this, she will nova, land, and immediately charge back up to full.
I remember trying this exact trick, and she Nova'd 2 times in a row.
This didn't work...
For me, it's. The nova that decides that a single knockdown isn't enough, no, you get knocked over, survive, but then the wind blows you into basically a stun, and you burn to death.
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The old Version of her is same move like her husband but now, she became more difficult to kill and avoid her attacks
1 thing that isn't stated enough about how poorly designed Lunastra is is her topple value. Every monster has stagger values where you hit a part and after you reach this stagger threshold once or twice on the body part the monster will topple. For over half the monsters in Monster Hunter World it's 2 staggers to the legs. For Teostra and most Elder Dragons it's 2 to the head and this is shared between all but 3 Elder Dragons, those being Kushala 1 to the head, Xeno'jiva 1 to the legs and Lunastra who is visually a carbon copy of Teostra you'd assume shares 2 to the head but no, Lunastra is 2 to the legs to get a topple. Teostra and Lunastra both have this majestic crown on their head which is the most visually striking part of their entire design and unlike with Xeno'Jiva the only other Elder Dragon to share the leg topple, Lunastra's legs are not a good hitzone. Lunastra also came out in base World, IE a world without the Clutch Claw and tenderizing so her shit hitzone legs were always shit.
This is objectively just bad design, she's a failure of communicative design because her most visually defining aspect is not the best spot to attack her, she's a failure of contextual design because if you fight her like her palette swap you're fighting her wrong and she's a failure of gameplay design for all those reasons. She's also a failure of her own design because back in the day you broke Lunastra and Teostra's horns to mitigate their flame aura.
Lunastra isn't designed to be a good fight, she isn't designed to be a fun fight and she isn't even designed to be a hard fight. She's designed to be a cheap "gotcha" from the devs because no matter which angle you look at Lunastra she betrays any basic concept of basic design principles.
To this day I really wonder how she was let through the testing phase with the broke fire mechanics, honestly she's almost as unfair as fatalis' attacks
Depending on weapon.....its a nightmare 😃
The main problem with this monster is the weakest part of it. Why the hell would they put it on the wings and she trips only once in a while. And if by some bllsht chance that the wind pressure paused you when she's going down that's almost 2 to 3 seconds of wasted damage. Terrible monster for blademasters(except for insect glaive obviously). They could've just put the weakspot on the head like it's male counterpart. Her damage isn't the problem for me, it's the long ass time to bring her down
the base game lunastra+teostra slaying quest remains the only fight to make me full-on rage
Same. Even with master rank gear it's still god-awful cancer
The main problem with her is them giving her a 15 min repel quest the first time you fight her. Getting past that is a literal chore. I straight up changed to Hammer for a while since my trusty dual blades weren't doing enough damage to finish the job. I don't mind the repel mechanic ofc, but... 15 minutes. Seriously?
I love that Monster Hunter tries to make each fight different. Sure, Lunastra isn't a fight I prefer but it just means that she's a challenge every time I go into it. I want that anxiety. I want to be worried that this fight will go horribly wrong lol. I don't want any fight to be boring.
Kinda agree. Still she could be improved (better hitboxes and less annoying attacks). I am kinda fine with the speed of the other two things change.
I would say World Lunastra is still much better than 2nd Gen Lunastra (the only gen so far she has appeared in before World).
She was basicly Teostra but blue. And Teostra was already much less interesting than in the 4th and 5th gen.
Nah. Nah, she's bad. Real bad. Remains bad and will always be bad. If it weren't for the temporal mantle, I wouldn't even bother with it.
I think Lunastra is the only monster to give me genuine dread any time I had to fight her... but in endgame with a Wind Res set for her, she's not so bad. I think MR Teostra is actually worse tbh, I think he's super awkward to fight in MR specifically.
I mean I figured early on the easiest counter to lunastra hypernova is using farcaster. But then I always had a lucky streak of placing a healing pool just before when hunting with friends
I think the issue with Lunastra isn't any single one of those factors, but all of them combined. If you toned down all or some of the traits complained about, Lunastra would still be unique, but a little less BS.
Peakginge: “she wasn’t that bad. You just need to learn and adapt (and get gud probably.) with her patterns and surroundings.”
Me who loses to her still despite using every buff in the world with strong build and knowing damn well of the area and when to back off: “every word you just spoke to me has got me violently angry.”
I don't have any solid evidence to back this up, but I felt like High Rank Lunastra was harder than Master Rank. I remembered her being super aggressive in HR and would never stop moving, but in MR they toned it down quite a bit. I actually really enjoyed MR Lunastra, despite HR Lunastra being so infuriating to me that I took a break from MHW for a month or so.
Maybe it's because I learned how to better fight her, or because MR armor just has better skills and stats on it, but I genuinely believe they listened to the players who complained about Lunastra when she launched and toned down her AI in Master Rank.
I'll just say this, (I never got to this point in Iceborne so don't take this as the end all) but wouldn't it be easier to use a bowgun to get a feel for the attacks? I've gotten good at that in Rise, turning Valstrax attacks against him for counters.
I always fight Luna with the SnS or dual blades, its sort of my counter to her hypernova. When i see her do the it, their sheathing animation is so fast even if I get caught in the wind pressure, I can still turn around and do a panic jump.
For me, it's only really the damage and health. She has WAY to much health in comparison to a Teostra of the same rank, and, while I like the concept of the blue flames doing extra damage, I think that thw damage was cranked up way too far
I recantly played throug mhw for my first time i dindn't had any endgame sets or augmants and i raged a lot against lunastra, but tbh i liked the challenge and i'm looking forward to alatreon and fatalis as i'm currently playing throug ib
Took me a week fighting her exclusively to finally be able to slay her consistently without frustration. I still can't slay her very fast but at least now I'm not raging the whole time.
Sometimes I forget that all the builds I use against Luna are healer builds, but then I see that laaaa attack I be putting out. If you get it right though, Luna is a beautiful battle with LS.
I tried her twice. I'm not dumb enough to try something that is quite literally pure luck. I'd prefer fighting two Bazelgeuse or 5 Odogaron in the smallest arena then this shit ever again.
maybe it's ok to beat her with faster weapon,but omg with slow ones. With lance,whenever i tried put away weapon coz she threw lava puddles all around,im already losing quite alot of hp (plus get burn debuff),and just when weapon is off...(with little hp left+burn)luna start spamming next attacks already!
The only problem I had with lunastra's hypernova is that it lasted too long. If it was a few seconds shorter it would be ok.
It's definitely a fight that with the hindsight of iceborne, i think found it's place. It somehow got easier in Iceborne with MR Lunastra not doing her hypernova as much thanks to her new Nova cone move which was alot easier to avoid. Plus definitely had some of my fave baseWorld weapons with the XenoLunastra tree having razorsharp skill being a nice comfort skill early on.
As a worldnoob, I appreciate how many fundamentals her fight taught me properly, such as the superman dive, utilising skills and mantles and prepwork before heading out. And making use of dragonseal to lower the amount of novas she'd do. Basically only use dragon type weapons whenever fighting Teo or Luna in world to lessen their flame properties in a fight.
Kinda wish that was still a thing in Rise but I get why they didn't
While I am 2 years late to this,
Lunastra I think is the devs trying to make the players visit defensive skills, things as mentioned wind pressure negate from Kush can outright negate Nova pressure, but also Fireproof Mantle can drastically reduce heat dmg as well. This is also on on top of the fact that sushifish/astera jerky can heal all the heat dmg taken in an instant. Lunastra's wide range of puddles are like Brachy's slime, while being on the ground they act as a danger spot the hunter needs to move around. While it is true that they gave her a bit too much of it, Master Rank certainly reduces it quite a bit so I think the devs knew what they did wrong there.
Personally speaking I found Luna (AT) easiest when playing with Bow back in base World because of how much defensive skills absolutely neutralizes her fight. For comparison's sake I never solo-ed any of the other ATs with Bow, which is the weapon I played and learned the entire base game with including all World endgame. She's a bit too different from the other elders for her time, and I think that's what made her hellish and hate-able to fight.
My only real issue I have with Luastra was her ridiculous health pool. why they felt the need to turn her into a health sponge is beyond me. If they had given her the same health as Teastra I think that I would have loved her.
I'mma have to fight her again because though I had trouble with the arena the special assignment for Teo and Luna didn't give me much trouble. With The Legiana Swaxe, combined with some wexploit, power prolonger, attack boost, and ice attack, as well as the fire and vitality mantles, they didn't give me much trouble. Fire resistance doesn't do much, but every bit of health counts. Overall the main issue is reading attacks whilst keeping up the offensive, just like any monster. Lunastra is hard, but compared to other fights not so much. Idk my opinion will change when I go after AT Luna.
I literally have couple builds that can heal straight through her Nova just by attacking
The queen of stunlock hell
Meanwhile your gameplay is you running around shooting it with insect or sniping the wings with arial attacks. The problem with lunastra is really the hit zones above everything else. They make all these tiny problems much much bigger. Her hitzones would make you think you need to aim for the head because that’s where most weapons get the most damage until she falls over so you can hit her wings. Unfortunately most of her moves are frame one or close to it active around her head. Standing in her face is a death sentence. So where do you hit then? Her hind legs with most melee weapons until she falls over. If you position right you are pretty safe around her hips unless she decides to stand in a puddle. That makes puddles worse because when you stand near her hips she tends to do moves that don’t move her. Oh but in iceborn you can soften her hind legs for better damage right? Wrong. You grapple her tail and it just softens the tail. The only thing I don’t agree with people on is the nova. When she is about to pop just flash her and run. If you flash lunastra while she is in her final flame aura she will nova 100% of the time. Honorable mention to when she just decides to fly forever and blow flames and waste your time.
I mean that is true, my experience does come from playing against Lunastra with Insect Glaive mainly, but I can only speak from experience. I should have noted that in the video for sure, she would vary wildly between weapons
Beat her solo beat her with 2 players but struggling hard with 3 I don’t get it at all but it seems so bad to get away from that heat that ticks relentlessly twice back to back is immediate death
As a new player I can agree with this having not beaten her as of yet, is she a hard fight? yes absolutely, Is she a "bad" boss? No, i just havnt gotten the measure of her yet.
Now do tempered or arch tempered lunastra review
Look, I hate her, I do not like or enjoy fighting her but I will admit I was happy she no longer was a 'blue Teostra' as she was dubbed in my head and I am happy she is back, with prep she isn't that bad a fight but I still hate her and I still don't like fighting her.
Personally my main problem with her is the wind preassure. Fire puddles? That's what fire mantle is for, Insect Glaive or just outright avoid them. Heat damage? Freedome Unite trained me well, I knew that is what the cold drink is/was for. Supernova? Just run, superman dive or farcaster out of there. Wind preassure? I know the negate skill helps but at that point I had tried using that skill maxed out against Kushala Daora and it did not work (I believe if I remember correctly that skill was bugged during a period of time, it left a bad taste and I never used it again)
What took me a while to learn though, was the fact that flashbombs simply trigger/accelerated the rate at which she would 'omaewa mo shinderu' the hunter out of existance, like an idiot I kept using them. But after my friends and I figure this out we would trigger her supernova when we were all at full health and ready.
All in all once the anger passed I realized it wasn't that bad. It still doesn't change the fact that I hate her and that I rather not fight her nor do I enjoy doing so.
Residual fire sucks. I'd prefer if she'd just toast my ass like Teostra. Her supernova is also an absolute annoyance, because every single move in this game can be dive bombed, except that one in the base game.
Great video, but i think the audio is a bit too low.
Bro, this monster is garbage. Broken hitboxes that all have wind pressure on them, insane fire patches, roars and attacks you after, attacks you when she's stationary and powering up. Harder to KO, broken super nova, constantly moving super fast. If I didn't have a rocksteady mantle it would be almost impossible.
Obviously there's going to be skill creep that's set the part from the main. But people on average wanna enjoy fighting too, and this monster is broken. Especially since she's considered the wife of teostra. If Teostra had these broken wind mechanics etc to his game I'd understand, but he doesn't. He's quite literally the weakest and easiest elder to fight, so why isn't she on par with that but with a different moveset.
Let's say her attack patterns are the same but her hitboxes are like Teostra and lacked wind pressure. She'd be much more enjoyable and make more sense
I'm a middling to fair MH player, not that great but not awful, but my favorite elder dragons were Lunastra and Alatreon. I love fights that overwhelm you at first but with enough prep and patience you can turn the tables on the monsters. I think most people's aggravation come from not wanting to change their play style, weapon or gear to beat a new monster. They seem to be happier to have the same fights with a new gimmick and a different skin.
P.s. I mostly play solo so I don't have full party wipes from their novas. That would be aggravating for sure!
>> I think most people's aggravation come from not wanting to change their play style, weapon or gear to beat a new monster.
I think so too. I've seen so many posts on the Steam Community pages or the Monster Hunter subreddits, complaining about certain monster, about how they're "bullshit" and "unfair". But most of those could've been solved by just proper prep. It seems like they have this one-size-fits-all armor set that they refuse to part with or change whenever their weaknesses gets exploited by certain monsters. Sometimes you have to change your build, sometimes you have to change your weapon, sometimes you need to play slower. That's just how MH has always been.
@@kurosan0079 tbh that wouldnt be so bad if this was say dark souls, where you can change your weopon in a jiffy, the grind kinda forced players to have that one size fits all armor or weapon, and can you blame em? The rng grind in this game is bad, really bad, i spent 3 hours alone killing xeno jiva just to get 1 horn because it didn’t drop it, not to mention gems
@@macvadda2318 For grinding and casual hunts, a one-size-fits all armor set is fine. But when you're facing a elder dragon? Let alone, a dlc elder dragon? You better be damn well prepared.
@@kurosan0079 yea but theres preparing then theres spending hours grinding getting a weapon because you need like 20 different monster parts, its gets annoying, especially if you need a new set and weapon, what sucks is early game iceborne elder dragons really fuck you up because most people are underprepared and dont even get me started on world where every set feels like it was built for rangers, and how all the really good perks are covered up by dogshit ones, its no wonder people choose that armour set that makes them do more damage because its eaither that or ear plug 1
@@kurosan0079 I don't like if people are forced into playing a certain Meta like they did with Alatreon.
Monster Hunter was always about choosing you own playstyle. Generations even embraced it much more.
But because the Iceborne Meta was so broken, you basicly had no choice but to use the newest Meta to deal good damage compared to others. Normal IB weapons and armor became almost completely useless with Safijiiva or Raging Brachydios.
But with Alatreon they are directly forced to use Elemental Meta, which was only Safi'jiiva and rarely Silver Rathalos armor.
Also the secret multipler still doesn't help much because weapons like GS still deal barely any elemental damage.
If they wanted to push elemental meta they could atleast given Alatreon actual good elemental weakspots and a better mechanic where you are not forced, but more like "rewarded" if you played elemental.
So basicly in the end, everyone used the same Meta with every new update and Alatreon just made it worse.
If the build crafting only relies on looking up videos on RUclips, then there is something wrong
Rise/Sunbreak has atleast much better balancing. Early and mid game armor are often still good and reliable and not every new monster changes the new Meta, let it be armor or weapons.
Yes, the newer armor and weapons tend to be a bit better than most other, but only because they are made from post/endgame monsters.
I actually am completely fine with luna on her own, but she just wasn't as interesting to the first time do to it being a slightly changed teo model and my preference for his attacks. For some reason luna's fire patches give me a migrane if I look at them for any more than a second.
I didnt experience the nova he cant get up on a hammer. I dont know if im just lucky. 5 lunastra i think he is easy
She has to much going on.
Area denial that chunks health, tick damage aura, unholy amounts of windpressure, deceptively large hitboxes (specially the tail sweep). High aggression, high attack damage. Some unbelievably quick and untelegraphed attacks such as the fire line wing flap it can do instantly while doing a 180 and it not only leaves a fire trail but also does a ton of damage and windpressure.
No one even slot windpressure for kushala but you do for lunastra
Never got past the arena fight, spent nearly 4 hours on it and no matter how much i hit the bitch she never fled
step 1: eat jerky to heal heat damage faster
step 2: git gud
As a new player to MHW, I killed every single monster without any problem (never died to nergi) and never paid attention to stats or resistance and never used any skills to avoid monster mechanics but then there is lunastra the bitch. The arena fight felt downright torture and unfair since I couldn’t avoid the damage but after couple of tries spamming jump attacks I did it. Then the main quest itself, actually I don’t want to write anymore. SHE IS BADLY DESIGNED BOSS, HER HITBOXES ARE AWFUL
I think there’s a disorder at the end game of Iceborne, where fun is simply not a priority.
I don’t have a problem with ‘hard,’ but I’m here to enjoy myself, and too many of the end game challenges are anti-fun
i dont hate lunastra i just hate is quest with teostras because i think this is long and really difficult or more impossible if you d'ont have the clutch claw to separate them so yes this quest sucks but lunastras itself is not really bad i think
i honestly kind of love lunastra made me a lot better at the game in the long run loving the videosman keep it up
I dont think lunastra is a bad fight at all. Teostra was pretty easy so she caught me off guard the first couple hunts. And i think what really fucked people up is how she novas after a flash bomb, because flash bomb spam used to be so abused before ib
The hitboxes are just whack. You can be so far from an attack and still be hit. Tail sweeps, and fire attacks seem to be the worst hitboxes. In multi-player she can literally turn 360 at the blink of an eye. And I use wind pressure negate horn and still get pushed back.
Fireproof mantle.
It’s not like it forces you into a specific playstyle like Alatreon.
I proudly admit that I am that one guy that slings a flash pod at her when my mates are all wailing at her. for the laughs of course.
To be fair some of her attacks are annoying and all, but she really brought some of the old monster hunter butt clinching moments and general "threatening aura" that most of MHW monsters lack.
I honestly really like mh5 Lunastra, imo only source of frustration is that she can put you into an unavoidable 100 to 0 combo more often than most other monsters but just like most other monsters you can learn and avoid getting there in the first place
Personally, the games I die in are the ones I have the most hours in. I.e. monster hunter, ror2, drg. The best games have the most challenges.
As CB/SwAx user I dislike Lunastra, but somehow I always gravitated towards her if she is on the SOS quest list. Fighting her is kind of...addicting..? Tempered Kirin is bullshiter imo tho 😅P/S: Finally someone who also Clutch claw > tenderizing after monster mount.
I would’ve been fine with this monster if we didn’t need to do two quests fighting her for the best mantle in the game
That winds is so annoying I end up wanting to rip my fokking face of every single time I had to fight her. It's a cool looking monster, but that nova can't be dodged, blocked or escaped, and the flames blocks arrows and ammo.
Always loved lunastra i enjoined hunting her i dont get it why so many hate her
You didn’t really explain how the puddles and nova weren’t that bad.
I think Lunastra is fine for the most part as just a skill check.
AT HR Lunastra was completely ridiculous and Tempered MR Lunastra was pretty annoying but MR Luna is still pretty easy beatable compared to something like Fatalis
Her fight can be annoying in World, but it's still way better than how she was in Freedom Unite, the only game Lunastra appeared in before World, not even Generations Ultimate had her. In Freedom Unite, she was literally just a weaker Teostra who was blue instead of red. Same attacks, same tells, nothing unique about her except being a bit weaker and appearing a full star rank sooner.
After Kushala no monster seems as annoying. Not even Raging Brachy. The constant wind knocking you around, cornering you, and just hovering in the air doing nothing.
Lunastra at least is a playable fight. Lol
Thinking about dropping the game because of this and bebemoth.
The main problem with lunastra is that she is the no.1 most mechanic exploiting monster in the game, that mechanic is called "reeling back in fear when the monster does anything and it took 3 million year to recover", while also being stupidly fast, like 90% of other mhw enemies. And fcking dots when using items took 2 times the time it took to eat anything compared to the old game, in a game that is supposedly much faster than the old one. It just feels so cheap.
Bro why are people complaining about lunastra? Whats with alatreon?
Hoping she comes back in Rise. Without the hunter tools, like Fire mantle, she'll definitely be more of a challange.
I’ve never really bought into the hate for Luna. Even if she WERE a poorly designed fight, I’ll take a unique shitty fight over “Teo but blue” any day. But I like her fight quite a lot. I like having to manage my surroundings alongside the monster, I like using elemental damage to my advantage, I like that her hitzones encourage unorthodox play, and I LOVE how dangerous her nova is. THIS is how powerful Elder Dragons should be, I should prepare myself before going after a Teostra, not slaughtering them by the dozens without a second thought. As it stands, quite a few of the Elders don’t feel nearly as special as they once did. My hope is that the next mainline title goes fully open world, and an Elder Dragon sighting will be a rare event that hunters either dread and mark places to avoid on their maps, or get excited about and set about pulling out all the stops in preparation. In any case, thank you for the great analysis! I just discovered the channel and really appreciate the insight you bring to the table.
I actually agree. She still should be improved. But hey, they atleast improved Kushala in Rise compared to World.
It isn't a great fight but still miles better than in World. Also Kushala has now more interesting attacks than just "I blow wind" like he did in World
I know we all have our difficulties with her but we can all admit that she’s hot
her nova is annoying and even deadlier with their mating dance! and that you almost always get swept away after getting up as 0:15.
Nah Alteron is awesome but so far hard iam currently stuck in my special assignments in world. (Raging Brack, Raging Rajan, alteron.) I tried multitude of times with high rank players and still lose wasting hours on nothing to show
I dislike her as a Gunlance user, primarily because she casts SO MUCH DANDRUFF. Which explodes when exposed to any amount of fire element damage. By the way, did you know shelling attacks have a minuscule amount of fire damage in them?
Makes bringing Rocksteady almost a requirement, otherwise you just get tossed around after 60% of your shell attacks.
"Elder dragons are supposed to be hard."
I agree with this.
there diffrent thing beetween hard and annoying, take example Lavasioth and Diablo, Lavasioth just went underground most of time just waste your time, once she jump is usually just shit on your head and get underground again,meanwhile diablo she doing it for attack it has quite small windows to dodge the attack but is manageable and you can attack her again.
Lunastra is a classic fight, in that she’s obnoxious unless you bring Earplugs, Wind Resist, Fire Resist, Heat Guard, Stun Resist, Divine Blessing, Poison Resist, Tremor Resist, Paralysis Resist, Frenzy Resist, Entymologist, and a few dozen other QoL skills. Once you fight her with that equipment setup, she’s pretty fun!
(But really, I think she’s actually pretty fun with Earplugs and Wind Resist! At least with an Impact weapon, since her head is an Impact weak zone)
Also one thing: Lore shouldn't be an excuse for literal unfair mechanics, ESPECIALLY when the story itself is prettyyy.... meh?
Laughs in fire mantle
Yes.