Out of all the stickies, the Scottish Resistance is the one that can help you relax the most. I love hanging out with engies while everyone who passes by has to get past stickies AND a sentry. It’s just so chill
Sounds like the Scottish resistance is what the original stickybomb launcher was intended to be. A secondary. Maybe a "faster switch and a primary buff" would be a idea?
what valve wanted the classes to be compared to how they turned out is polar opposite. the original idea for the stick launcher is great area denial and you can mess up sentries and concentrated enemies quickly but it just turned into sticky spam. sniper was meant to be a class to pick one an individual player however sniper counters everything and we all know sniper is the most broken overpower thing ever to exist and valve still hasnt done anything about the hitscan god but splash damage classes have been balanced. so somewhat of a win
@@pathulhu200 Honstldy Valve is just really good at imbracing it when the player find uses that they didnt even anticapte. I mean I don't think rocket jumping as it is now was full intentional but they made it a feature. Edit Sept/5/2020: I know now rocket jumping was intentinal I just never playd soildere that much befor this post, since I always opted for Demo for destroying builiding, and Pyro for my Power class, but after seeing quke rocket jumping footage and having spent a few hours on soldier it's obvious that it was intended mechanic even with out actually looking into it that deeply.
I feel like the SR would possibly be more viable if you could detonate specific traps by looking at them, but double-clicking or aiming at no stickies triggers them all at once. If it could reload faster that would also help.
my only problem with SR is that its sticky bombs are VERY VULNERABLE. Like i just layed atleast 6 traps then a heavy rains fire on it and POOF. Traps no more
Honestly if all it had was an auto loading while holstered after like 10seconds i would enjoy it alot more. I think its just so slow to lay 8 stickies then reload and lay 6 more. It would speed up the weapon which is why i dont use it cause its so damn slow.
ill tell you, this weapon doesnt need to get a rework, it sucks when you use it wrong, but i carried entire matches (not only mvm) with traps of this damn thing, and i think thats what this weapon is for, beeing insanely powerful when you know how to use it, but beeing trash when you dont
I mean, pretty much any weapon can be used effectively by a player who is using it decently well. The difference is, it's not really considered strong, or at least a viable side-grade in most situations considering how crazy the stock sticky launcher really is.
@@blazefactor6849 Part of that is demoman's default sticky being frankly *absurd*, and part of that is it not being great in CP 6v6's competitive formats, but most of it is that it takes a different skillset and mindset than most other weapons. Your skill improves with your ability to keep track of information more like an RTS than with 'sick 360 headshots' or 'rocket jump precision'. Most people get stuck trying to only lay one or two traps, trying to pay attention to them all 24/7, the issue is it's unfun for a lot of players to play, and it's a skillset that isn't cross-comparable with most other weapons.
@@rocketrelm1125 While I do agree to an extent, there's also the fact that Demo already has a ton of defensive potential by nature. No matter what sticky you're using, you always have good access to strong spam and choke denial options. The Scottish Resistance gives you an extra bump on that defense, but in exchange, takes away more of the Demo's offense. This isn't a good trade, as it's a relatively small boost to his already existing abilities in exchange for less reliable damage, which is something demo struggles with.
i think the scottish resistance is actually WORSE at sticky traps than stock or even the quickiebomb launcher (remember quickies have a damage bonus when fully charged and dont fizzle out like they used to)
Maybe part of the reason the play-style for this weapon is a slow one is because Valve doesn’t want people to forget that Demoman is listed as a “defense” class in the game.
@@aaatree1273 eh, i get sticky spam is easy, but i find pills more consistent (maybe its because i can actually aim pills) but i like the fact that they always do 100 damage on contact and i can hit scouts that would fuck up my sticky spam also stickies tend to vary in damage, usually they do like 77 but sometimes i get 90 and even 110 damage stickies, fact is sticky damage is inconsistent af also i like using the shields for extra survivability and mobility so i might be biased here i do use stock stickies, and i will sticky spam when necessary, however i mainly just set traps and go out and hit pills
I like it, but I agreed with your points. I suck at multitasking, so making the bombs have a larger yield while bringing max bombs down would be tidier
The SR is my favorite sticky launcher and I see your reasoning and opinions on this weapon and I understand why. You use the stickies as a second primary. I always concidered them a secondary weapon and relied far more on the pipes so the SRs playstyle come for easier to me. I love the weapon for it's improved ability to lay out carpets, cover multiple flank/choke points and because fooling people with a fake trap while the actual hidden one is just a few steps further is hilarious. It can get hard to keep track of multiple traps at first that's true. But you'll get used to it over time, such as it is with most things in TF2. With enough practice and experience you'll even be able to effectively detonate traps you put into paths where you bareley see enemies, like a healthpack you know someone's on their way to because you saw them running there or the way to the objective. In some very rare occasions you can even use a single sticky to knowck enemies into the actual trap (rather rare but funny when that happens) All in all I love the SR for being a tad bit more strategic and giving me more control over a ceirtan area.
Honestly my favorite weapon for Demoman. I love using this thing, especially for all the dumb things you can do with it. A bit of advice for some, plant your stickies as you make your way to a corner, so you have an extra line of defense if you get caught off guard. Overall if I were to rework the Scottish Resistance to make it more viable, I would probably go for some sort of "One big bomb" rather than a ton of "normal" ones. Whether it be a simple "this one stickybomb makes a high damage, huge explosion" or "this one big stickybomb explodes into multiple smaller grenades that explode quickly after". Mind you, I would definitely miss the 14 stickies that can currently be placed.
I love the scottish res mainly because it sometimes lets me feel like an absolute genius. Setting a small fake trap that the enemy sees immediately makes them ignore any other traps that could or could not exist. Also, I mostly play engineer and it makes demo feel more like engineer.
Yeah, the reason it feels like engineer is because well level3 engie requires a lot of multi tasking and that's something essencial for the SR you have to pay attention to all your traps, that doesn't mean that you have to cover every chokepoint with your traps, just cover 1 or 2 if they are close with multiple traps each, that makes it so once you set up you'll always have a safety net once you blow 1 trap
Sticky jumping would blow you up, if not, the fall damage would, if the fall damage didn't, you would be left with like 3 health and dead within seconds, not a very good idea.
I really love this weapon, and I’ve basically adopted a kind of “support demo” playstyle around it, where I stick close to the team, put two or three stickies around nearby corners, and then hang back and shoot some pipes off at flanking enemies, waiting for anyone to end up right next to my traps.
Remember: you can have youre 4-8 sticky traps ready to go and still have 6 stickies to use when you need em short notice. This weapon can fucntion very well if used well. Similar to engi, this weapon lets you ramp up in effectivenss rather than gives it to you right out the gate. Letting you have your sticky traps and rather than spamming, you can instantly retrap while detonating your old stickies and waiting for them to fully arm for that 100 damage. Not to mention that firing speed buff, you can put out all 8 stickies in the same time you previously could only put out 6 letting you be able to defend and even abuse multiple chokepoints.
tbh this weapon has always seemed like a rework of the normal sticky once valve realized people were spamming sticks instead of trapping like they intended. it would be alright if it existed in a vacuum. might even make for a fun mechanic. but in competition with the normal sticky it's like a harsh training instrument made to teach you discipline
It feels good on 10x you can make a trap containing 8 stickies in 2 seconds sure,they take an eternity to arm themselves but you can go back to doing your stuff quickly
The Scottish Resistance is basically what Demoman was originally meant to be as a defensive area denial class that can deal high amounts of damage. It’s a shame that I don’t see people using this weapon as it has the potential of it being a deadly weapon under the right hands however it’s one downside of longer arm time definitely hurts the weapon, even with all the upsides. I’ll definitely have a go with the Scottish Resistance next time I boot up TF2 to see if this underused weapon can shine against the other Stickybomb Launchers.
I think the biggest issue with the weapon is that you can hardly use it to defend YOURSELF. With both other sticky bomb launchers if a scout/soldier/pyro starts chasing you, you have a chance to throw down a couple stickies to ward them off. With the Scot Res, you're forced to use pipes. Against scout, that's a death sentence, unless they're garbage you're fucked. Every other class is still going to give you a run for your money in that situation too (except Heavy). Hell, even a sniper can rush you down with the SMG and win in that situation. I think the best way to buff it without completely reworking the weapon is just replace the arm time penalty with the Love & War nerf to stickies where they had a massive damage penalty for the first 2 seconds after firing. Accomplishes the same thing as the current stats but you can still somewhat use it for self defense. On top of that I think it would be good if each individual bomb got a 5% damage bonus based on the number of bombs you currently have out, which would make it so that you can have 14 stickies on the ground and each of them has a 70% damage bonus. It would take longer to set up but you'd be able to set up traps it a lot more locations at one time.
Something i used to do before i lost my items (i got scammed) i got into a demoknight loadout with an eyelander, get 4 heads, and then go onto my other loadout with an iron bomber, scottish resistance, and eyelander so I keep my heads and the weapons become super powerful. A bit tidy but rewarding in my experience.
As an engineer main first and an everything else second. I find that one of my favorite (often forgotten) uses of the Scottish resistance is (big surprise) Supporting engineers. In the event that a demo is sticky spamming a sentry nest, I always find it handy to leave 1 or 2 stickies around the engie's setup. this makes it so that if the engi calls out he is being spammed by stickies, you can instantly destroy all the stickies around his setup. its surprisingly useful in pubs, but I have never tried it in comp.
The thing about the SR is that you aren't supposed to watch for all choke point you'll never be able to. The goal is to set multiple traps in a single choke which will make it impossible to get past.
I think you said it well as it being a true secondary, it is and it is much more practical to play with it defensively. When pushing forward Stock launcher, when being pushed backward SR is awesome.
I know he had success with the loose cannon + resistance combo during the TF2 Mixup 6. I think it was mainly in the round against Team CaptainSparklez (which really should've been called Team Jerma instead, but whatever).
@@quentagonthornton49 soo as it is now its useless they are a bunch of weapons that take less skoll tha normal in tf2, it would be balanced and fun and unusable , thats all that matters
A couple friends of mine once talked about how to make the SR live up to being a clearly defensive secondary. The one idea we liked the most was a proximity mine layer, and we must've talked about it for an hour about balancing it and making sure that it isn't brain dead, but doesn't dominate. I think we got close to the idea, but looking back we may have missed some important details that could better achieve the idea without being overpowered. The New Scottish Resistance - 25% max stickybombs deployed. (6 max) + 0.8 sec priming time Bombs detonate 0.4 seconds after an enemy gets close enough - 15% base damage on auto detonation (102) + 15% base damage on manual detonation (138) Stickybombs can be broken by explosions and airblasts. No Random Crits (Imagine placing a proximity mine that can delete everything that isn't an overhealed Heavy)
As somebody who's been playing MVM since it's inception, as well as having 300+ tours in 2city alone, I'm rather mixed on the ScoRes. I actually think the stock sticky launcher is still an all around better weapon, as the faster detonation speed allows demo to both output high damage, as well as become an excellent crowd control class. Things the stock sticky does well: - Pick off uber medics - Efficiently clear hordes of "trash" robots - Traps are quick to set up, and require little commitment in case a separate lane is lost, and you need to help out. - High DPS that is only limited by your need to reload - Crit traps that can one shot every standard giant sans heavy Things Scottish Does well -Can handle large groups of medic bots (think the Giant crit soldier with 13 medic bots on Wave 1 of Metro Malice) -Traps do more damage, meaning one shotting giants with crits are easier compared to stock. - uh I've had plenty of Mann Up Matches where I've out damaged even our Heavy, without being babysat by a crit medic, and have had matches that pit me with a high tour count ScoRes demo, and I still manage to both out score, and out damage them. It's not a bad choice, as a good demo can still make use of it, and I even think it works better than the sticky launcher if you're going for an upgraded Pipe Launcher build instead, as you have access to higher burst damage, and slightly easier medic picking.
As a long time fan of the Scottish Resitanece in concept and potential, and an equally long-time critic of of the weapon in terms of it's execution and actual usage, it's great to see a video all about it.
One of my favorite games as demo was when I used the ScoRes to control the entire middle section of Landfall when most of my team was respawning. The enemy became so paranoid about coming around corners that they were easy pipe targets. You can control an engagement to such an incredible extent if you have just a bit of setup time.
I still like the idea behind the resistance, cause it actually turns demo into a trapping class. Yeah it's not as good as the other launchers, but I think area denial and trapping is a lot more fun than just aggro-spamming regular stickies.
try using the shields and the grenade launcher it lets you be so mobile and much more tanky and you get to show you can hit pipes which i find way more consistent than sticky spam
The way I like using the SR is to fill a chokepoint such as the cart path or hill with stickies then detonate the ones under an enemy when they push, unlike stock where you shoot 1 bomb at the enemy and detonate it, with the SR you place the bombs first and everywhere so no matter where the enemy pushes you can click on them and blow them up because you already have stickies there
scottish resistance is generally my go-to in smaller, chokier maps on defense, or maps where the sticky jumper just doesnt work (junction, mercenary park, dustbowl etc).
It's great defending on attack/defend maps paired with the loose cannon. Because sometimes one desires a relaxed, campy experience. Traps left and right along with loose cannon uber stuffing and some chips and guacamole. Count me in. Or, you just lay down a mine field in the open so large that someone is bound to walk over a few.
Sticky traps are amazing but the reason why its my favourite launcher is because it can create minefields, and its so funny to see a spy fail a stab and backpedal into those. Or a jumping soldier to get there. In casual a lot of people dont fully pay attention to where the stickies are at.
I mean, it's got some other uses. Like, at 5:34, you could have placed your stickies on that dispenser, so you would have destroyed the stickies the enemy demo was putting on the dispenser before it was destroyed.
I think you kinda hit the nail on the head here. The concept of a defense oriented SBL is not inherently bad, but the clunky nature of resetting your traps and having to reload quite often means getting caught out of position more than you’d like. Ideally this weapon would be extremely good when you find a choke or want to hold down a flank route, but bad at dealing with engie nests and enemies in moderately wide areas, but it’s really only middling at the first thing because of how long setting up a trap actually takes
@@goldenhorde6944 The thing is that it doesn't reload fast enough to keep up with a bunch of scouts or pyros rushing you down. If they get close, then you die because the weapon is not built for close combat, but even with just enough bodies, they can make you burn your traps, and there's not much you can do. It is a fault of the weapon that you have to reload quite often and it leaves you vulnerable to attack, this is just a fact, and why most Demos prefer either other sticky launcher
I find the carpet bombing method to be the most effective overall. Lay them *everywhere*. In the heat of battle most players will not notice where every bomb is unless they saw you fire them, so you can often find enemies blundering into them as they avoid your grenades. As for the fun of the weapon? That's mostly when I just have a run of good detonations in different places killing unsuspecting enemies who though they had the drop on me. Makes me feel like I'm the conductor of an orchestra of high explosives.
my problem with the scottish resistance is that it fails to even do what it was designed to do (sticky trapping) better than stock or even the quickiebomb launcher i think this has to do with 3 things: 1: the fact that you can put out 14 stickies instead of 8 means that it takes longer to set up traps 2: the 1.5 second arm time means you have to be setting traps way earlier in advance compared to stock 3: the fact that you have to be looking directly at your stickies or be directly under them to detonate them gives the user extreme tunnel vision and makes sticky jumping horribly awkward here are MY solutions: 1: remove the arm time penalty 2: increase the reload speed or clip size 3: remove the stat that makes it so you have to flick your crosshair to the trap to detonate it (although keep the ability to see stickies through walls) that way sticky jumping becomes consistent using this thing 4: add a new stat that gives it a 15% damage penalty when the stickies are active for less than 2 seconds, but increase their damage (up to 25%) after 2 or 3 seconds of being active all of these stats would incentivize players to use it to set traps, but still give them the ability to use it offensively when absolutely necessary, although the damage penalty makes it less effective at sticky spam than stock or quickie
Its a really rare happening. But bouncing a heavy down a corridor by a line of single bombs set just far enough apart, while detonating in sequence is quite fun
I think that the SR should be almost invisible but if you look you can see it, harder to airblast, if you double click you detonate all of the bombs, make the explosions more powerful, and reduce the max stickys placeable down to ten.
I am a Scottish resistance player and this is my dream rework. “Bombs are visible through walls and obstacles. Can be selectively detonated by aiming towards. +6 Bomb maximum. +25% firing speed. +35% heavier bombs. +60% Bomb arm time.” I kept the important stats and traded the less important ones for a better trade off (+0.6 seconds instead of +0.8) Bombs don’t detonate when underneath you because that was always a straight downgrade, you can just look down to sticky jump. I love the heavy bombs idea, so I also added that.
I think this was meant for multitasking. Its not the best at offense, however it lets you keep a deadly trap on flanks to support your team while still doing active dps in a battle. It may not be perfect, but i like it.
I would love the explosive charges idea, but maybe with a spy menu disguise thing. How this would work: Pressing 2 would open a menu similar to the disguise kit. Pressing 5 would allow you to lay charges (max 4). And 1 - 4 would detonate the corresponding charge.
The best way for the SR to be buffed and useful, is either buffing the range of you being able to detonate it. Or if you can detonate a group by pressing a key. Like say you make two groups of sticky traps, one has 4 stickies on a door, and the other 5 are somewhere else. You don't have to look at them, you just have to press a key, like f or something. I want to detonate the first trap I made, I press 1, I wanna detonate the one somewhere else, I press 2.
I don't think you could give it any major buffs without causing some serious frustration for opponents by making traps hard to deal with or changing its intended purpose. For example, if the bombs too heavy to push away, you'd essentially make door traps impossible to deal with, so the team would either have to go around or sacrifice someone to the trap and thats deeply unfun. I think the best possible thing you could do is just increase the clip capacity or reload speed to make the trap laying process less annoying.
I think it should do less damage but alert you when people are in range of your stickies, so it’s more of a tracking weapon that will let you finish off enemies
I use it when need intense spam and i can't stop throwing grenades. Faster fire rate let you place 3 stickies and continue spam grenades. Longer arm time is unnoticeable since stikies will be ready when you fire some grenades. Also before fight you lay stikies everywhere and explode one by one when enemy neaby. Really helps against scouts.
I feel like a pretty simple fix would be remove the detonation speed penalty and firing speed buffs, but make it take longer for the bombs to fully rev up. That way they’d still be best used as traps since the damage would be a lot lower when you wanted to sticky spam, but you’d still be able to use it outside of that.
I use the SR for spamming an enemy's exit points, that way they're forced to fight me. Sometimes I'll also make giant minefields, basically turning the entire map into a sticky trap. It's really weird because people just kinda walk into them as if the stickies are invisible, might be a hidden stat idk
The only change that i believe they should make to the scottish resistance would be adding a resistance to explosives or airblast to your traps so they dont move or fall off walls and ceilings as much as they normally would. Maybe even making it so they dont move at all. Or maybe making it like the opposite of the Quicky-bomb launcher where they gain damage the longer they're out and near a set number of stickies so that you dont have to set as many stickies as you normally would with the stickies right now (I've used the gun for a while, my favorite weapon in the game in fact!) and from experience i know that it takes about 4-5 stickies to kill any class at full health with overheal. But cuting that down and rewarding trapping with it could be cool. Along with preventing some stray rocket from rocking them out of place and all over the place.
I think the situation that truly epitomizes just how bad this weapon is, is this time I cleared out a scotres Demo's sticky trap while he was in the middle of laying it down down. I did it with melee, standing on top of the stickies, and he was unable to stop me because he wasn't in a position to do anything about it himself. This weapon can be good when used correctly (and when people on your team have more than a couple brain cells and are actively protecting you), but even then, you'd just be doing so much more for yourself and your team if you just used stock. Personally, I think the two best buffs they could give this weapon are as follows: 1. Replace the longer arm time with a 80% damage penalty for the first 2 seconds after firing, you can still det stickies at the same speed as stock, but you're going to do heavily reduced damage. This would allow you to use the bombs to stagger and disrupt enemies trying to rush you, and make it so that your bombs still present a threat when you shoot them (albeit a heavily reduced threat), as opposed to them taking so long to arm that you may as well just accept death if a random scout appears. 2. For each bomb that is active, give all bombs a 5% damage bonus, this would cap at a 70% bonus for each bomb at 14 bombs active. Make it so that this bonus does not take effect until the bomb has been active for 2 seconds. This would allow the demo to effectively cover a much larger area, as now instead of needing 3-4 stickies for an effective trap, you now only need 2 or maybe 1 depending on what class you expect to walk over it. You still wouldn't be able to use the ScotRes for direct combat as effectively as stock or the QBL, but it would absolutely make the weapon a lot less of a headache to use. Maybe also give the bombs a proximity flare that makes them flash whenever someone gets close to them, so that you can see to det even when you don't have a direct line of sight. Although that could potentially be a little bs to play against, which is why I'm not saying it's a necessary buff.
my favourite thing about the SR is the fact that you can never lose sight of your stickies. If a soldier does something as foolish as shoot a rocket at SR stickies the entire map suddenly has potential to do 100 damage to you out of absolutely nowhere.
this weapon is mostly a psychological warfare thing since you can rain stickies on your enemies and theyll retreat instantly. actual use though, not much other than trolling pyros to airblast your stickies
I’ve seen some m1+m2 demo mains use the Scottish resistance on dust bowl because it allows you to lay more stickies which maximizes spam, at least to them
If you're a person who loves playing on defense like I do, the Scottish Resistance is actually a lot of fun. It's great for area denial like you said, which can help lock down hotly contested areas where no other weapon I've used can. It's also a pretty decent point defense weapon if your enemies aren't smart enough to destroy/move the stickies before running onto the point, and if you can hide them somewhere not too obvious they're even better. I play a lot of CTF, a gamemode often decried as the most boorish gamemode, but I like it and the Resistance is handy for making good and sure that the scout who tries to swipe the intel will be good and mutilated. Other than its gimmicks, it's just a significantly more powerful trapping weapon that can double your maximum instantaneous DPS or spread it out over a much larger area, not to mention that you can watch your stickies disappear/get blown around and know an enemy is there, even if you don't have line of sight, making it a situationally useful sensor array of sorts.
They should replace the longer arm time with the stickies being weaker when when fired but grow stronger the longer they're left un-detonated. This gives you a weaker, yet still effective, way of sticky-spamming but you can sticky spam whilst you have a trap set-up. From there you can either keep the firing-speed increase so you have the same DPS as the default when sticky-spamming but you have less damage in your clip or replace the firing speed buff with an increased magazine so you have the same amount of damage in your clip as the default but it takes longer to use it all but you can set down all your stickies without having to reload.
I generally think the TF2 classic mine layer is a better implementation of a multi trap weapon. You have 3 fairly powerful bombs that go off automatically, so so can place them independentely and don't have to worry about keeping tabs on all the traps. The problem with it is that it still can be spammed blindly, especially since they sort of bounce and slide.
I pretty much just use it to patrol a side route and keep it safe, perhaps luring someone into it with grenades. And if the route has two exits (Such as the side route at the last point of Badwater, cover both exits with a set of stickies and Grenades.
What I'd do is remove the attack speed boost and instead have it so that it fires a cluster of upto 4 stickies per shot in a set pattern. The spread of which depends on how long you charge so single click will place em fairly spread out while a full charge will have them stacked at close range but at long range they'll land in a small spread. This would allow rapid and mobile trap placement without having to sit there constantly waiting to fire and reload them, just 2 shots and you can put 8 stickies down in 2 seperate places and move on while reloading. Also would have to make it so they don't start arming until they have landed (no quad sticky spam across the map) and give a 75% less blast damage to the demo using them for sticky jumping (as you'll be using 4 of them per shot). Essentially allowing scottish resistance demomen more map presence as they can set up effective traps quickly and from range but at the expense of not at all being able to use the weapon in an actual fire fight, you'd also still have the detonation mechanics too.
You could either use a defensive powerhouse to lay traps on multiple areas and deny a great deal of area to attackers from all sides, coupled with smart pipes to be an insurmountable wall to the enemy team and live up to the class's defense classification or you could unga bunga with stock. Wonder what most people are gonna pick.
1# Reason this weapon will never be re-worked
-Valve needs to update TF2
It works pretty well in mvm
Steve this weapon doesn't need to be reworked
to tf3, no wait, overwatch is a thing ... TF4 :D
Pix3lbr31ker R overwatch 2 is a thing so tf 5
#1 reason it doesn't need a rework
It is the trap master, you don't need to spam stickies
Out of all the stickies, the Scottish Resistance is the one that can help you relax the most. I love hanging out with engies while everyone who passes by has to get past stickies AND a sentry. It’s just so chill
Frontier Dustice my favorite subclass, demobro
I like to put a few stickies around the engineer's buildings and detonate them when a spy comes in.
Put Pyro inside too
2 fort in a nutshell
essentially, you're a demobro
Sounds like the Scottish resistance is what the original stickybomb launcher was intended to be. A secondary. Maybe a "faster switch and a primary buff" would be a idea?
what valve wanted the classes to be compared to how they turned out is polar opposite. the original idea for the stick launcher is great area denial and you can mess up sentries and concentrated enemies quickly but it just turned into sticky spam. sniper was meant to be a class to pick one an individual player however sniper counters everything and we all know sniper is the most broken overpower thing ever to exist and valve still hasnt done anything about the hitscan god but splash damage classes have been balanced. so somewhat of a win
roryforham
Bad day?
Valve always intended the sticky bomb launcher to be dual purpose
@@pathulhu200 Honstldy Valve is just really good at imbracing it when the player find uses that they didnt even anticapte. I mean I don't think rocket jumping as it is now was full intentional but they made it a feature.
Edit Sept/5/2020: I know now rocket jumping was intentinal I just never playd soildere that much befor this post, since I always opted for Demo for destroying builiding, and Pyro for my Power class, but after seeing quke rocket jumping footage and having spent a few hours on soldier it's obvious that it was intended mechanic even with out actually looking into it that deeply.
@@Left4Cake i believe rocket jumping was always intended it was always a big thing in quake and tfc
“I very rarely run out of ammo with my sticky bomb launcher”
Well it looks like we ‘ave a fake demo main ‘ere
Ari-Sketoboy I don’t live long enough to run out of ammo
Guys guys it's because he still thinks he's using the sticky jumper
I never realised at first...then all I thought was fck I'm outta ammo I can't blow them new anuses
Nah, he just uses the launcher more often.
"Bloody traitor!"
I feel like the SR would possibly be more viable if you could detonate specific traps by looking at them, but double-clicking or aiming at no stickies triggers them all at once. If it could reload faster that would also help.
Good idea, but you can still keep m2 pressed while having a spasm, to activate everything
There should be 4 or so keys that you can set to traps, e.g point so they are highlighted and press z, x, c, v?
Or you can do what I do... just slide your mouse a little while holding down M2.
Neo Novak yesss good idea someone write this down!!
Hold down m2
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my only problem with SR is that its sticky bombs are VERY VULNERABLE.
Like i just layed atleast 6 traps then a heavy rains fire on it and POOF. Traps no more
plue03 you don't know how to use it if that is your main problem.
Complaining about a heavy spending 3 seconds shooting not you or your team
And that is why you have a grenade launcher and a sword at your side
@@zlatko8051 Exactly sounds like a six sec window to throw some gernades at the heavy to me.
I mean sure, but what about the SR's bombs make it more vulnerable than the other sticky launchers?
Honestly if all it had was an auto loading while holstered after like 10seconds i would enjoy it alot more. I think its just so slow to lay 8 stickies then reload and lay 6 more. It would speed up the weapon which is why i dont use it cause its so damn slow.
You could make that like 5 seconds out of combat
Or just give it a clip of 12 stickies instead of 8 so you rarely even have to reload it
Just give it a magazine so all stickys get reload regardless how many you fired in 1/2 of the time.
Thats actually a cool idea to relaod the scottish resistance when holstered
ill tell you, this weapon doesnt need to get a rework, it sucks when you use it wrong, but i carried entire matches (not only mvm) with traps of this damn thing, and i think thats what this weapon is for, beeing insanely powerful when you know how to use it, but beeing trash when you dont
I mean, pretty much any weapon can be used effectively by a player who is using it decently well. The difference is, it's not really considered strong, or at least a viable side-grade in most situations considering how crazy the stock sticky launcher really is.
Tru. Scottish resistance is really good when you don't try to brainlessly spam
@@blazefactor6849 Part of that is demoman's default sticky being frankly *absurd*, and part of that is it not being great in CP 6v6's competitive formats, but most of it is that it takes a different skillset and mindset than most other weapons. Your skill improves with your ability to keep track of information more like an RTS than with 'sick 360 headshots' or 'rocket jump precision'. Most people get stuck trying to only lay one or two traps, trying to pay attention to them all 24/7, the issue is it's unfun for a lot of players to play, and it's a skillset that isn't cross-comparable with most other weapons.
@@rocketrelm1125 While I do agree to an extent, there's also the fact that Demo already has a ton of defensive potential by nature. No matter what sticky you're using, you always have good access to strong spam and choke denial options. The Scottish Resistance gives you an extra bump on that defense, but in exchange, takes away more of the Demo's offense. This isn't a good trade, as it's a relatively small boost to his already existing abilities in exchange for less reliable damage, which is something demo struggles with.
i think the scottish resistance is actually WORSE at sticky traps than stock or even the quickiebomb launcher (remember quickies have a damage bonus when fully charged and dont fizzle out like they used to)
Wait.
*How do we know this isn't a trap too*
It doesnt have a dick
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@@ultimateness3034 nani
*activates bites the dust*
also its [K i l l e r Q u e e n]
ThatAsian KiddoBoyeLmao
Good reference
Samuel Kim [STAR PLATINUM ZA WARUDO]
You know how bad the weapon is in casual when I have 71 kills on it but 17.5K kills on robots XD
When you have a Scottish resistance with 301.7k robot kills but only 8.9k normal kills that sure as hell says something about the weapon.
@@Baltimore_Hood_Vines_2014 you replied with the same premise as the above comment to flex
top lel
Nigga what?
@@Baltimore_Hood_Vines_2014 to flex
@@snjar_6321 making a light hearted joke? You're flexing! I mean shit, guess people undergoing chemotherapy are flexing their baldness.
Maybe part of the reason the play-style for this weapon is a slow one is because Valve doesn’t want people to forget that Demoman is listed as a “defense” class in the game.
just swap demo and pyro in the class select imo
Why do so many people not know about pyro’s ultimate support abilty called M2
Pyro is a mix of offense and support
This weapon is a true defensive demoman's weapon. Most of demos play offensive imo.
@@sophiegrey9576 yeah, pyro has one offensive weapon (phlog) and demo has only 1 defensive (sr)
Considering that all classes can bs played offensivey, defensively and supportivly I'd completely change both the names of the sections and placments
Scottish resistance is like leaving a sentry at last cap of dustbowl so ur team can have fun spawncamping. That’s its only purpose
even then stock can do it better
Sophie Grey well ye, but then u cant still use stickies to fight
If you say that is it’s only purpose, you’re clearly using it wrong.
i honestly think the wepon is amazing and i wish more people used it instead of stiky spam
Maybe it's because sticky spamming is easy and does alota damage.
@@aaatree1273 eh, i get sticky spam is easy, but i find pills more consistent (maybe its because i can actually aim pills) but i like the fact that they always do 100 damage on contact and i can hit scouts that would fuck up my sticky spam
also stickies tend to vary in damage, usually they do like 77 but sometimes i get 90 and even 110 damage stickies, fact is sticky damage is inconsistent af
also i like using the shields for extra survivability and mobility so i might be biased here
i do use stock stickies, and i will sticky spam when necessary, however i mainly just set traps and go out and hit pills
No don't, if more people use it people will expect it and it will be less viable
If you like this weapon then prob best you don’t watch this
u didn't give my 3rd favorite stickybomb launcher praise for being good at defending and thats it? aw man
Hhhh
I like it, but I agreed with your points. I suck at multitasking, so making the bombs have a larger yield while bringing max bombs down would be tidier
Too late mate
The SR is my favorite sticky launcher and I see your reasoning and opinions on this weapon and I understand why. You use the stickies as a second primary.
I always concidered them a secondary weapon and relied far more on the pipes so the SRs playstyle come for easier to me. I love the weapon for it's improved ability to lay out carpets, cover multiple flank/choke points and because fooling people with a fake trap while the actual hidden one is just a few steps further is hilarious.
It can get hard to keep track of multiple traps at first that's true. But you'll get used to it over time, such as it is with most things in TF2. With enough practice and experience you'll even be able to effectively detonate traps you put into paths where you bareley see enemies, like a healthpack you know someone's on their way to because you saw them running there or the way to the objective.
In some very rare occasions you can even use a single sticky to knowck enemies into the actual trap (rather rare but funny when that happens)
All in all I love the SR for being a tad bit more strategic and giving me more control over a ceirtan area.
"...and maybe make the demoman invincible and can fly or something?" so no changes then?
shit ur right I forgot he was black
Honestly my favorite weapon for Demoman. I love using this thing, especially for all the dumb things you can do with it. A bit of advice for some, plant your stickies as you make your way to a corner, so you have an extra line of defense if you get caught off guard.
Overall if I were to rework the Scottish Resistance to make it more viable, I would probably go for some sort of "One big bomb" rather than a ton of "normal" ones. Whether it be a simple "this one stickybomb makes a high damage, huge explosion" or "this one big stickybomb explodes into multiple smaller grenades that explode quickly after". Mind you, I would definitely miss the 14 stickies that can currently be placed.
A strategy I found: fire 14 stickies on top of each other (the models clip, so people will think it’s just 1 Bomb until it’s too late).
I thought this was a political commentary about a movement called the scottish resistance. with TF2 in the background but nope.
Lol
RedCube Bruh
same
I love the scottish res mainly because it sometimes lets me feel like an absolute genius. Setting a small fake trap that the enemy sees immediately makes them ignore any other traps that could or could not exist. Also, I mostly play engineer and it makes demo feel more like engineer.
That's why it's so good. Nobody used it so much that nearly nobody expects it
Yeah, the reason it feels like engineer is because well level3 engie requires a lot of multi tasking and that's something essencial for the SR you have to pay attention to all your traps, that doesn't mean that you have to cover every chokepoint with your traps, just cover 1 or 2 if they are close with multiple traps each, that makes it so once you set up you'll always have a safety net once you blow 1 trap
"Can't make every gun viable in Comp if 80% of people don't play Comp"
*98.4%
I don't think it should be changed to be viable in comp I think it's good as is, comp just sucks
this is my favorite sticky launcher but thats mostly cause i like the feeling of reading my enemy and this is the best launcher for it
Instead of more damage I'd just make it so you shoot out 2 stickies at once.
Sticky jumping would blow you up, if not, the fall damage would, if the fall damage didn't, you would be left with like 3 health and dead within seconds, not a very good idea.
Give it a faster reload speed, I think this 2 stickies at once would be dumb due to sticky jumping and you could probably use it way better on offense
I really love this weapon, and I’ve basically adopted a kind of “support demo” playstyle around it, where I stick close to the team, put two or three stickies around nearby corners, and then hang back and shoot some pipes off at flanking enemies, waiting for anyone to end up right next to my traps.
Yeah, I really used it for the first time today actually and found my self really not straying to far from my team with it.
@@Left4Cake It's definitively a supportive area denial weapon that takes cover from your team to set up- kinda like a sentry
Remember: you can have youre 4-8 sticky traps ready to go and still have 6 stickies to use when you need em short notice. This weapon can fucntion very well if used well.
Similar to engi, this weapon lets you ramp up in effectivenss rather than gives it to you right out the gate. Letting you have your sticky traps and rather than spamming, you can instantly retrap while detonating your old stickies and waiting for them to fully arm for that 100 damage. Not to mention that firing speed buff, you can put out all 8 stickies in the same time you previously could only put out 6 letting you be able to defend and even abuse multiple chokepoints.
This gun as a complete savage when it cooperates with parachute,you can just incredibly quickly bombard people at the cart for example
The Scottish resistance became the iron bomber
tbh this weapon has always seemed like a rework of the normal sticky once valve realized people were spamming sticks instead of trapping like they intended. it would be alright if it existed in a vacuum. might even make for a fun mechanic. but in competition with the normal sticky it's like a harsh training instrument made to teach you discipline
The Scottish Resistance:
The weapon that turns any area into your personal chokepoint, but gives you *extreme* tunnel vision
It feels good on 10x
you can make a trap containing 8 stickies in 2 seconds
sure,they take an eternity to arm themselves but you can go back to doing your stuff quickly
“You can instinctively right click when you sense any movement where you set the trap”
What are we supposed to have the force?
The Scottish Resistance is basically what Demoman was originally meant to be as a defensive area denial class that can deal high amounts of damage.
It’s a shame that I don’t see people using this weapon as it has the potential of it being a deadly weapon under the right hands however it’s one downside of longer arm time definitely hurts the weapon, even with all the upsides.
I’ll definitely have a go with the Scottish Resistance next time I boot up TF2 to see if this underused weapon can shine against the other Stickybomb Launchers.
its good with the iron bomber
5:42 Is the reason I love the community.
0:57 lol that spycrab went flying
2:11 'I like to call it the ''No-random crits phenomenon'' -- I've never called it this in my life' xD
I think the biggest issue with the weapon is that you can hardly use it to defend YOURSELF. With both other sticky bomb launchers if a scout/soldier/pyro starts chasing you, you have a chance to throw down a couple stickies to ward them off. With the Scot Res, you're forced to use pipes. Against scout, that's a death sentence, unless they're garbage you're fucked. Every other class is still going to give you a run for your money in that situation too (except Heavy). Hell, even a sniper can rush you down with the SMG and win in that situation. I think the best way to buff it without completely reworking the weapon is just replace the arm time penalty with the Love & War nerf to stickies where they had a massive damage penalty for the first 2 seconds after firing. Accomplishes the same thing as the current stats but you can still somewhat use it for self defense. On top of that I think it would be good if each individual bomb got a 5% damage bonus based on the number of bombs you currently have out, which would make it so that you can have 14 stickies on the ground and each of them has a 70% damage bonus. It would take longer to set up but you'd be able to set up traps it a lot more locations at one time.
You say that scout can kill you with SR. To prevent that make trap on you escape route before fight. Then watch him calling you spamer in chat.
Something i used to do before i lost my items (i got scammed) i got into a demoknight loadout with an eyelander, get 4 heads, and then go onto my other loadout with an iron bomber, scottish resistance, and eyelander so I keep my heads and the weapons become super powerful. A bit tidy but rewarding in my experience.
That sounds terrifying to play against, I love it.
RIP, did you report the scammer?
@shadow doggo Yeah, but he went off the grid and got away with it, since steam says that scams are not their business, sadly.
As an engineer main first and an everything else second. I find that one of my favorite (often forgotten) uses of the Scottish resistance is (big surprise) Supporting engineers. In the event that a demo is sticky spamming a sentry nest, I always find it handy to leave 1 or 2 stickies around the engie's setup. this makes it so that if the engi calls out he is being spammed by stickies, you can instantly destroy all the stickies around his setup. its surprisingly useful in pubs, but I have never tried it in comp.
Yeah it also prevents spahs from doing much since as soon as you hear that "spah sappin' ma sentry" you can just detonate and that would be that
The thing about the SR is that you aren't supposed to watch for all choke point you'll never be able to. The goal is to set multiple traps in a single choke which will make it impossible to get past.
I had nothing to watch, until you uploaded!
Thank you Toofty! :D
You sir, are welcome!
I think you said it well as it being a true secondary, it is and it is much more practical to play with it defensively. When pushing forward Stock launcher, when being pushed backward SR is awesome.
Saw the thumbnail, was expecting a video about Brexit.
Pretty sure STAR_'s video (I forgot which one) where he used it with the loose cannon. Pretty much a defensive weapon rather than offensive m2 spam.
I know he had success with the loose cannon + resistance combo during the TF2 Mixup 6. I think it was mainly in the round against Team CaptainSparklez (which really should've been called Team Jerma instead, but whatever).
7:21 just a pyro chillin in the water
you could make it so the traps automatically detonate on proximity
Then it would be a low skill noob weapon
@@quentagonthornton49 soo
as it is now its useless
they are a bunch of weapons that take less skoll tha normal in tf2, it would be balanced and fun and unusable , thats all that matters
@divide two no its not, its not even better than the quick launcher in sentry destruction, it takes the bombs to long to arm
Scottish resistance sounds like a chess opening in my opinion
Thanks for the first timestamp! :D I couldn't find the start of the video.
A couple friends of mine once talked about how to make the SR live up to being a clearly defensive secondary. The one idea we liked the most was a proximity mine layer, and we must've talked about it for an hour about balancing it and making sure that it isn't brain dead, but doesn't dominate. I think we got close to the idea, but looking back we may have missed some important details that could better achieve the idea without being overpowered.
The New Scottish Resistance
- 25% max stickybombs deployed. (6 max)
+ 0.8 sec priming time
Bombs detonate 0.4 seconds after an enemy gets close enough
- 15% base damage on auto detonation (102)
+ 15% base damage on manual detonation (138)
Stickybombs can be broken by explosions and airblasts.
No Random Crits (Imagine placing a proximity mine that can delete everything that isn't an overhealed Heavy)
As somebody who's been playing MVM since it's inception, as well as having 300+ tours in 2city alone, I'm rather mixed on the ScoRes.
I actually think the stock sticky launcher is still an all around better weapon, as the faster detonation speed allows demo to both output high damage, as well as become an excellent crowd control class.
Things the stock sticky does well:
- Pick off uber medics
- Efficiently clear hordes of "trash" robots
- Traps are quick to set up, and require little commitment in case a separate lane is lost, and you need to help out.
- High DPS that is only limited by your need to reload
- Crit traps that can one shot every standard giant sans heavy
Things Scottish Does well
-Can handle large groups of medic bots (think the Giant crit soldier with 13 medic bots on Wave 1 of Metro Malice)
-Traps do more damage, meaning one shotting giants with crits are easier compared to stock.
- uh
I've had plenty of Mann Up Matches where I've out damaged even our Heavy, without being babysat by a crit medic, and have had matches that pit me with a high tour count ScoRes demo, and I still manage to both out score, and out damage them. It's not a bad choice, as a good demo can still make use of it, and I even think it works better than the sticky launcher if you're going for an upgraded Pipe Launcher build instead, as you have access to higher burst damage, and slightly easier medic picking.
As a long time fan of the Scottish Resitanece in concept and potential, and an equally long-time critic of of the weapon in terms of it's execution and actual usage, it's great to see a video all about it.
description: "traps and stuff"
me: yeah that seems roit .
One of my favorite games as demo was when I used the ScoRes to control the entire middle section of Landfall when most of my team was respawning. The enemy became so paranoid about coming around corners that they were easy pipe targets. You can control an engagement to such an incredible extent if you have just a bit of setup time.
0:58 FLYING SPYCRAB!!
And I thought I wasn't the only one who noticed! Spy crabs lives forever!
@@HoshiNoKaabii He died a second later
7:06
that was... beautiful
I still like the idea behind the resistance, cause it actually turns demo into a trapping class. Yeah it's not as good as the other launchers, but I think area denial and trapping is a lot more fun than just aggro-spamming regular stickies.
try using the shields and the grenade launcher
it lets you be so mobile and much more tanky and you get to show you can hit pipes which i find way more consistent than sticky spam
The way I like using the SR is to fill a chokepoint such as the cart path or hill with stickies then detonate the ones under an enemy when they push, unlike stock where you shoot 1 bomb at the enemy and detonate it, with the SR you place the bombs first and everywhere so no matter where the enemy pushes you can click on them and blow them up because you already have stickies there
scottish resistance is generally my go-to in smaller, chokier maps on defense, or maps where the sticky jumper just doesnt work (junction, mercenary park, dustbowl etc).
the flying spycrab at 0:58 lmao
It's great defending on attack/defend maps paired with the loose cannon. Because sometimes one desires a relaxed, campy experience. Traps left and right along with loose cannon uber stuffing and some chips and guacamole. Count me in. Or, you just lay down a mine field in the open so large that someone is bound to walk over a few.
Sticky traps are amazing but the reason why its my favourite launcher is because it can create minefields, and its so funny to see a spy fail a stab and backpedal into those. Or a jumping soldier to get there. In casual a lot of people dont fully pay attention to where the stickies are at.
I mean, it's got some other uses. Like, at 5:34, you could have placed your stickies on that dispenser, so you would have destroyed the stickies the enemy demo was putting on the dispenser before it was destroyed.
I like the s r because you can sticky jump away while not detonating your trap allowing you to scurry away to trick enemys into thinking it is safe
I think you kinda hit the nail on the head here. The concept of a defense oriented SBL is not inherently bad, but the clunky nature of resetting your traps and having to reload quite often means getting caught out of position more than you’d like. Ideally this weapon would be extremely good when you find a choke or want to hold down a flank route, but bad at dealing with engie nests and enemies in moderately wide areas, but it’s really only middling at the first thing because of how long setting up a trap actually takes
If you're reloading without a trap to cover you that's on you not on the weapon specifically designed to cover approaches.
@@goldenhorde6944 The thing is that it doesn't reload fast enough to keep up with a bunch of scouts or pyros rushing you down. If they get close, then you die because the weapon is not built for close combat, but even with just enough bodies, they can make you burn your traps, and there's not much you can do. It is a fault of the weapon that you have to reload quite often and it leaves you vulnerable to attack, this is just a fact, and why most Demos prefer either other sticky launcher
One of my favorite weapons. Really helps lock down a choke point.
scot resists is useful for you in defensive, but less useful at attacks and pushes
I tried sticky spamming with it even though it's slow it's kinda maked the whole area a trap
8:04 Are we just going to ignore that Toofty LITERALLY buried that spy to the ground with a pan
I find the carpet bombing method to be the most effective overall. Lay them *everywhere*. In the heat of battle most players will not notice where every bomb is unless they saw you fire them, so you can often find enemies blundering into them as they avoid your grenades.
As for the fun of the weapon? That's mostly when I just have a run of good detonations in different places killing unsuspecting enemies who though they had the drop on me. Makes me feel like I'm the conductor of an orchestra of high explosives.
my problem with the scottish resistance is that it fails to even do what it was designed to do (sticky trapping) better than stock or even the quickiebomb launcher
i think this has to do with 3 things:
1: the fact that you can put out 14 stickies instead of 8 means that it takes longer to set up traps
2: the 1.5 second arm time means you have to be setting traps way earlier in advance compared to stock
3: the fact that you have to be looking directly at your stickies or be directly under them to detonate them gives the user extreme tunnel vision and makes sticky jumping horribly awkward
here are MY solutions:
1: remove the arm time penalty
2: increase the reload speed or clip size
3: remove the stat that makes it so you have to flick your crosshair to the trap to detonate it (although keep the ability to see stickies through walls) that way sticky jumping becomes consistent using this thing
4: add a new stat that gives it a 15% damage penalty when the stickies are active for less than 2 seconds, but increase their damage (up to 25%) after 2 or 3 seconds of being active
all of these stats would incentivize players to use it to set traps, but still give them the ability to use it offensively when absolutely necessary, although the damage penalty makes it less effective at sticky spam than stock or quickie
Its a really rare happening. But bouncing a heavy down a corridor by a line of single bombs set just far enough apart, while detonating in sequence is quite fun
I think that the SR should be almost invisible but if you look you can see it, harder to airblast, if you double click you detonate all of the bombs, make the explosions more powerful, and reduce the max stickys placeable down to ten.
I am a Scottish resistance player and this is my dream rework.
“Bombs are visible through walls and obstacles.
Can be selectively detonated by aiming towards.
+6 Bomb maximum.
+25% firing speed.
+35% heavier bombs.
+60% Bomb arm time.”
I kept the important stats and traded the less important ones for a better trade off (+0.6 seconds instead of +0.8) Bombs don’t detonate when underneath you because that was always a straight downgrade, you can just look down to sticky jump. I love the heavy bombs idea, so I also added that.
I think this was meant for multitasking. Its not the best at offense, however it lets you keep a deadly trap on flanks to support your team while still doing active dps in a battle.
It may not be perfect, but i like it.
I would love the explosive charges idea, but maybe with a spy menu disguise thing.
How this would work:
Pressing 2 would open a menu similar to the disguise kit. Pressing 5 would allow you to lay charges (max 4). And 1 - 4 would detonate the corresponding charge.
You were absolutely slamming with it in the pubs in this video but maybe that's just where it finds its niche
The best way for the SR to be buffed and useful, is either buffing the range of you being able to detonate it. Or if you can detonate a group by pressing a key. Like say you make two groups of sticky traps, one has 4 stickies on a door, and the other 5 are somewhere else. You don't have to look at them, you just have to press a key, like f or something. I want to detonate the first trap I made, I press 1, I wanna detonate the one somewhere else, I press 2.
3 words. Mann vs Machine. One shot giant robots makes it so fun.
theres also a second hidden stat of not detonating at all
I don't think you could give it any major buffs without causing some serious frustration for opponents by making traps hard to deal with or changing its intended purpose. For example, if the bombs too heavy to push away, you'd essentially make door traps impossible to deal with, so the team would either have to go around or sacrifice someone to the trap and thats deeply unfun. I think the best possible thing you could do is just increase the clip capacity or reload speed to make the trap laying process less annoying.
You gotta use it and the grenade launcher to force enemies into unfortunate situations like not having any legs
my favorite way to use it is by completely covering an open place and detonate em as people are walking over them in close combat
I think it should do less damage but alert you when people are in range of your stickies, so it’s more of a tracking weapon that will let you finish off enemies
I use it when need intense spam and i can't stop throwing grenades. Faster fire rate let you place 3 stickies and continue spam grenades. Longer arm time is unnoticeable since stikies will be ready when you fire some grenades.
Also before fight you lay stikies everywhere and explode one by one when enemy neaby. Really helps against scouts.
One very nice way i like to use tsr is to block off an area with a giant trap to give my engi enough space to set up a sentry nest
I feel like a pretty simple fix would be remove the detonation speed penalty and firing speed buffs, but make it take longer for the bombs to fully rev up. That way they’d still be best used as traps since the damage would be a lot lower when you wanted to sticky spam, but you’d still be able to use it outside of that.
I use the Scottish resistance because it has more stickies, and also because you can choose were to detonate, and because you have a higher firerate
I use the SR for spamming an enemy's exit points, that way they're forced to fight me. Sometimes I'll also make giant minefields, basically turning the entire map into a sticky trap. It's really weird because people just kinda walk into them as if the stickies are invisible, might be a hidden stat idk
The only change that i believe they should make to the scottish resistance would be adding a resistance to explosives or airblast to your traps so they dont move or fall off walls and ceilings as much as they normally would. Maybe even making it so they dont move at all. Or maybe making it like the opposite of the Quicky-bomb launcher where they gain damage the longer they're out and near a set number of stickies so that you dont have to set as many stickies as you normally would with the stickies right now (I've used the gun for a while, my favorite weapon in the game in fact!) and from experience i know that it takes about 4-5 stickies to kill any class at full health with overheal. But cuting that down and rewarding trapping with it could be cool. Along with preventing some stray rocket from rocking them out of place and all over the place.
Okay I can word this thing in 2 words:
*MvM Meta*
I think the situation that truly epitomizes just how bad this weapon is, is this time I cleared out a scotres Demo's sticky trap while he was in the middle of laying it down down. I did it with melee, standing on top of the stickies, and he was unable to stop me because he wasn't in a position to do anything about it himself. This weapon can be good when used correctly (and when people on your team have more than a couple brain cells and are actively protecting you), but even then, you'd just be doing so much more for yourself and your team if you just used stock.
Personally, I think the two best buffs they could give this weapon are as follows:
1. Replace the longer arm time with a 80% damage penalty for the first 2 seconds after firing, you can still det stickies at the same speed as stock, but you're going to do heavily reduced damage. This would allow you to use the bombs to stagger and disrupt enemies trying to rush you, and make it so that your bombs still present a threat when you shoot them (albeit a heavily reduced threat), as opposed to them taking so long to arm that you may as well just accept death if a random scout appears.
2. For each bomb that is active, give all bombs a 5% damage bonus, this would cap at a 70% bonus for each bomb at 14 bombs active. Make it so that this bonus does not take effect until the bomb has been active for 2 seconds. This would allow the demo to effectively cover a much larger area, as now instead of needing 3-4 stickies for an effective trap, you now only need 2 or maybe 1 depending on what class you expect to walk over it.
You still wouldn't be able to use the ScotRes for direct combat as effectively as stock or the QBL, but it would absolutely make the weapon a lot less of a headache to use.
Maybe also give the bombs a proximity flare that makes them flash whenever someone gets close to them, so that you can see to det even when you don't have a direct line of sight. Although that could potentially be a little bs to play against, which is why I'm not saying it's a necessary buff.
my favourite thing about the SR is the fact that you can never lose sight of your stickies. If a soldier does something as foolish as shoot a rocket at SR stickies the entire map suddenly has potential to do 100 damage to you out of absolutely nowhere.
this weapon is mostly a psychological warfare thing since you can rain stickies on your enemies and theyll retreat instantly. actual use though, not much other than trolling pyros to airblast your stickies
I’ve seen some m1+m2 demo mains use the Scottish resistance on dust bowl because it allows you to lay more stickies which maximizes spam, at least to them
My idea to reworked: (+) increase magazine clip from 8 to 14 (-) no random crits
If you're a person who loves playing on defense like I do, the Scottish Resistance is actually a lot of fun. It's great for area denial like you said, which can help lock down hotly contested areas where no other weapon I've used can. It's also a pretty decent point defense weapon if your enemies aren't smart enough to destroy/move the stickies before running onto the point, and if you can hide them somewhere not too obvious they're even better. I play a lot of CTF, a gamemode often decried as the most boorish gamemode, but I like it and the Resistance is handy for making good and sure that the scout who tries to swipe the intel will be good and mutilated.
Other than its gimmicks, it's just a significantly more powerful trapping weapon that can double your maximum instantaneous DPS or spread it out over a much larger area, not to mention that you can watch your stickies disappear/get blown around and know an enemy is there, even if you don't have line of sight, making it a situationally useful sensor array of sorts.
0:58 I had to rewind because I couldn't believe what I saw flying away from the cart
They should replace the longer arm time with the stickies being weaker when when fired but grow stronger the longer they're left un-detonated. This gives you a weaker, yet still effective, way of sticky-spamming but you can sticky spam whilst you have a trap set-up.
From there you can either keep the firing-speed increase so you have the same DPS as the default when sticky-spamming but you have less damage in your clip or replace the firing speed buff with an increased magazine so you have the same amount of damage in your clip as the default but it takes longer to use it all but you can set down all your stickies without having to reload.
I generally think the TF2 classic mine layer is a better implementation of a multi trap weapon. You have 3 fairly powerful bombs that go off automatically, so so can place them independentely and don't have to worry about keeping tabs on all the traps. The problem with it is that it still can be spammed blindly, especially since they sort of bounce and slide.
Scottish resistance was fun setting up a multi-section mobility playstyle.
I pretty much just use it to patrol a side route and keep it safe, perhaps luring someone into it with grenades.
And if the route has two exits (Such as the side route at the last point of Badwater, cover both exits with a set of stickies and Grenades.
What I'd do is remove the attack speed boost and instead have it so that it fires a cluster of upto 4 stickies per shot in a set pattern. The spread of which depends on how long you charge so single click will place em fairly spread out while a full charge will have them stacked at close range but at long range they'll land in a small spread.
This would allow rapid and mobile trap placement without having to sit there constantly waiting to fire and reload them, just 2 shots and you can put 8 stickies down in 2 seperate places and move on while reloading.
Also would have to make it so they don't start arming until they have landed (no quad sticky spam across the map) and give a 75% less blast damage to the demo using them for sticky jumping (as you'll be using 4 of them per shot).
Essentially allowing scottish resistance demomen more map presence as they can set up effective traps quickly and from range but at the expense of not at all being able to use the weapon in an actual fire fight, you'd also still have the detonation mechanics too.
You could either use a defensive powerhouse to lay traps on multiple areas and deny a great deal of area to attackers from all sides, coupled with smart pipes to be an insurmountable wall to the enemy team and live up to the class's defense classification
or you could unga bunga with stock.
Wonder what most people are gonna pick.
What i like about the SR is the denial of other team's sticky. I have the most fun whenever i try to do that