Teodor Currentzis | Bruckner: Sinfonie Nr. 9 | SWR Symphonieorchester
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Anton Bruckner: Sinfonie Nr. 9 | György Ligeti: Lontano für großes Orchester | Liederhalle Stuttgart, Januar 2018
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Dirigent: Teodor Currentzis
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Bravo Maestro!
All your interpretations deserve long life. I can't see any conductor in nearest future who will be able to deliver another version of everything you conducting with the fresher, more innovative and more HUMAN interpretation. Yours is in line with the current world . Sad, some people can't appreciate the depth your soul, wisdom of your brain and sincerity of your passion to music. Please ignore those - they are definitely in minority and don't deserve to be noticed...
For the rest of the world TEODOR CURRENTZIS is UNIQUE and the MOST ADORABLE CONDUCTOR OF THIS UNIVERSE !!!
Outstanding. bravo MAESTRO !
Lontano as the 'fourth' movement of the Bruckner.....a brilliant idea!
Wow.....never heard this, one of my favorite symphonies, in this way! Speechless.......
And Ligeti's Lontano as 4th movement is an uncompearable idea.....Simply great!!!
Ligeti's Lontano as finale. Good idea! Bravo!
Absolutely....
Outstanding ⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️⚜️
Amo esta sinfonia! Obrigado por postar! Ele é o meu compositor favorito! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Sämtliche negativen Kommentare, die sich da ranken um Currentzsis sind so dermaßen gefüllt mit Neid und Missgunst - diese Menschen, die so etwas schreiben sind sehr zu bemitleiden - und, was hinzu kommt - das 100 % Gefühl für Musik kann mit diesen negativen Eigenschaften nicht in Einklang gebracht werden - diese Miesredner wollen es einfach nicht wahrhaben - aber Teodor ist so ziemlich das Beste was uns im 21. Jahrhundert zur neuen Klassikinterpretation vorgekommen ist!
Normally I prefer the 9th with Finale (especially the SPCM or the Schaller completion), but for this performance and this style of conducting, I like how it's combined with the Lontano attacca. Both works evoke for me cosmic and transcendental feelings, and both the Adagio and the Lontano seem to convey a sense of 'departure' (the Adagio with its famous 'Farewell to Life', and Lontano, the word itself literally translating to ‘far away’ or ‘distant'). The Lontano seems to carry that departure forward from the Earth into another, perhaps alien, dimension. (Recall the final scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey.) Bruckner and Ligeti pair well together, given the right mood.
Thank you for this. I still do not feel comfortable with my favorite composer's work played in this way (I may be too old), but I appreciate your explanation.
Anton Bruckner is perhaps the most ethereal, and therefore most difficult to interpret, of the Romantic composers.
Thank you for including him in your extensive repertoire.
Дирижер от Бога !!! Мощно СоВсем по Новому !Экспрессивно С Движениями которые заставляют замирать в такт Музыки!!!!Теодор Это Современный Музыкант 21 века!!!
Nu, vi pervie raz slishali Bruknera, po moemu? Nichego novogo tut est. Celibidache uzhe vse skazal.
Currentzis is great! A star!
Красавчик!!! Обожаю !!! Всех Благ!!! Лучший из Лучших!!! 💐
Θοδωρή μας, απλά, είσαι μοναδικά ΥΠΕΡΟΧΟΣ!!! Ο Θεός να σού δίνει ευλογία και φώτιση για να μας φωτίζεις με το λαμπρό σου έργο!!!
BRAVOOOO TEODORO
Прекрасно)) спасибо за это чудо
Ist schon erstaunlich wie es scheinbar unmöglich ist, die lange Tradition diese Sinfonie weiterhin als Torso aufzuführen, auch aus den Köpfen der Dirigenten zu bekommen.
Die Aufführungsfassung des Finalfragments ist in einem besseren Fertigungszustand als Mozart's Requiem, dass ohne zu zögern vervollständigt aufgeführt wird.
Nur bei der Bruckner 9 weigern sich die meisten immer noch das Finale zu spielen.
Восхищена. От. Всего. Сердца!!!! Браво!!!
The apotheosis of conductor 1:13:20 onwards _ Η αποθέωση του μαέστρου 1:13:20 και εξής...!
B R A V O ...!!
I liked Bruckner's music in this performance, but I am a bit confused. By now, we pretty much know how Bruckner wanted to end his last symphony. Why is it a good idea to play another composer's music right after the third movement without a break?
Moreover, in one of the interviews Currentzis himself replied about the 4th movement of Bruckner's Ninth: "I prefer to keep it silent"
Really? I may say that I would prefer total silence...
In a way, I agree with you. Bruckner himself, apparently, had insisted that the symphony be concluded by a Finale, culminating in a grand hymn of praise. I think it is more in keeping with Bruckner's vision to end with a Finale. So I regard this performance more as a curiosity or a "special performance", with a lot of artistic licence, rather than as a legitimate performance.
Bruckner wanted his "Te Deum" to be played instead of the Finale. Most musicians "don't like that" (I will never understand why) and just ignore his will. There is an awesome reconstructed Finale (SMPC) that I love very much - but performances can hardly be found (never could hear it live unfortunately).
It's just sad and a very unsatisfactory situation for true admirers of Bruckner's art.
Nevertheless this is a really great performance of the first three movements of course!
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Великий Теодор!❤️❤️❤️
2movement 너무 좋다... 😗😗
The detail of the response reflects the gravity of that commented upon.
The critique of a conductor may be focussed upon
- choice of music presented, to the extent that such choice resides with the conductor,
- interpretation, within the constraint of the orchestra conducted, of the music presented, and
- visual projection of the conductor, in as far as it contributes to, or subtracts from, the internalisation of the
music presented.
Regarding the interpretation of Anton Bruckner's unfinished 9th Symphony by the SWR Symphony Orchestra under Teodor Currentzis :
- Regardless of its possible affinity with the music of Anton Bruckner, the Lontano of György Ligati, as final
movement, contradicts the musical intentions of the composer, clearly documented in manuscripts that are
nearer to completion than those, utilised to complete final compositions of many other composers.
- The SWR Symphony Orchestra has evolved as one of the leading orchestras of Germany, and by implication,
of the world. Its interpretation, under Christoph Eschenbach, of the 7th Symphony of Anton Bruckner, and,
under other conductors, of many romantic, and classical, works shows an ability of projecting profound
musicality.
Yet, as compared with interpretations of renown conductors, such as Claudio Obbado, Leonard Bernstein, and Herbert von Karajan
Continuation
.... although technically beyond reasonable critique, is devoid of the sublety, and fluidity, of nuances of sound,
and phrasing, integrated into a transcendental whole, that characterises this final, and summary symphonic
composition of Anton Bruckner.
We are made to witness the spiritual death of the composer,
- and left with the ashes of showmanship manifested in superfluous gesticulation and mimicry by a self-
aggrandizing conductor.
Individually one may have different opinions regarding these issues.
Collectively it is made economically possible that Teodor Currentzis can express his musical individuality.
Is it in the collective interest that Teodor Currentzis be given this opportunity?
感情の豊かさ・幅広さ。理念ー思想の強さと大きさ。とてつもない指揮者だ！古代アテナからの使者のようなクルレンツィスと南西ドイツとの融合の成果は、怖ろしいほどの説得力をもつ。
リゲティが未完部分を補うように続けて演奏されるが、これは納得のアイデアで、強烈な感動がやってくる。
レコードの時代から約50年この曲を追い続けて、70名を超える指揮者の演奏を数千回は聴いてきました。クルレンツィスとSWRの9番を聴いてそのサウンドの新鮮さに驚きました。武田様が仰る通り説得力は群を抜いて居り、ブルックナー第9番の頂上を遂に見た気が致しました。クルレンツィスは本当にとてつもない規格外の指揮者だと確信致しました。 光明こと中井章弘。
@@user-bi1fn6ts8m 返信、どうもありがとうござます。彼は、ソクラテス・プラトンのフィロソフィー（正しい訳語は「恋知」）を身に付けた時代を変える人です。６月には、ソクラテスが神託を受けたデルフォイ（デルフィー）で、舞踏付きベートーヴェン交響曲７番を演奏し、ソニーが収録しています。
@@user-wu1my4nk6g 様こちらこそ、ありがとうございます。クルレンツィスの能力（才能）に対する評価がまだまだ低いのが残念です。クラシックファンの方が彼に追いついていません。クルレンツィスの視線の先では神が手招きして、遥か彼方の未来を示して居られるのでしょうか。隅から隅まで知っている筈のブル９の概念を変えてくれた唯一の指揮者です。
特異な指揮ぶりだけれど不思議にかっこいい（＾o＾）
Bravo Teodor Currentzis, linda obra de Ligetti!
Ligeti se escribe con un T. Ademas, eso es Bruckner.
@@callasnuts estaba me refiriendo a la segunda obra que ejecutaron, la primera esta claro que es la novena de Bruckner, una de mis preferidas
For me Bruckner' s 9 th is always superimposed with Enesco' s 3 rd .Both are from the edges of Universe ( perhaps, Mahler' s 9 as well) but , with all my love for Theo, I believe he should keep working on interpretation still. Sound is great but the corners are made smooth. I am not sure that Bruckner had exactly this idea for his 9 th..But I may be wrong.. Simply, in my mind I cannot disentangle Bruckner' s 9 th from Mahler' s 9 th and Enesco' s 3 rd.
Hey how good of you to point me to Enescu's Third. I didn't know it but it's a formidable work indeed!
@@philippevandenbroeck5251 This work is equivalent to 9 th symohony of Mahler and to 9 th symphony of Bruckner.
Łomatkobosko...! :O Suddenly this great piece sounds much more interesting. ;-)
As if Furtwängler, Schuricht, Jochum, Karajan, Celibidache and Kabasta had lived in vain...
Like... really? I can't express my fondness for a new recording without someone claiming that I am disrespecting dead conductors?
Szymon Piotr Dąbrowski Welcome to the world of classical music!
Why can I only see less than 4 minutes of a 120 min vid?
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The 'fourth movement' is so wrong, we largely have much of what Bruckner really wrote. It couldn't be more different than this. The real last movement is one of Bruckner's great achievements, but has no century of history of performance - the reconstruction only has the coda as a problem, it is mostly there. Mozart's Requiem had more post-work required, Bruckner's last movement as lot less. Just play it!
YES!
How do the musicians follow his beat??
Was soll das denn, nur den Dirigenten zu zeigen? Selbst bei Karajans Bildregie waren ja ab und an auch die Musiker zu sehen. Am Anfang der Neunten sollte man nun wirklich die Hornisten zeigen.
It is pity you have removed entire concert, why is not possible to listen to it on YT?
Removing it is not a good move, at least to give to appreciators of classical music to listen to recent renditions of Brucker and other composers.
@2:22 WTH is this!?
This clown fighting late Muhammad Ali, gloveless and clueless.
Those are some funny moves lmao
So ein gutes Orchester - und solch ein Hampelmann davor ... wie sagte doch einst der große Nikisch: "Es gibt keinen Beruf, in dem ein Scharlatan so leicht Karriere machen kann!" Dem ist nichts hinzuzufügen
Hampelmann - schwacher, willenloser Mensch der leicht zu lenken und zu beeinflussen ist (DUDEN). Teodor Currentzis zeigt grosses Geschick um seine gewollte Interpretation zu realisieren und Zuhoerer damit zu begeistern.
Populismus ist die große Gefahr in der Klassischen Musik. Das, von dem Dirigenten, populistisch Gewollte ist nicht unbedingt das, von dem Komponisten, musikalisch Beabsichtigte.
Anton Bruckner, und das SWR Symphonie Orchester, verdienen größeren Respekt.
Dass Populismus, nicht nur in der Klassischen Musik, die derzeit größte Gefahr für unsere Kultur darstellt - da bin ich ganz auf Ihrer Seite, und mein Beitrag war auch keinesfalls populistisch oder polemisch gemeint. Alleine, diese windmühlenartigen Bewegungen mögen ja auf das Publikum gut wirken, sind allerdings nicht wirklich zielführend (als Musiker, der unter allen großen Dirigenten gespielt hat, weiß ich, wovon ich rede) - auch das ist Populismus - es schaut gut aus, zerstört aber jede Linie, was sich gerade bei Bruckner fatal auswirkt. P.s.: Der von mir benutzte Begriff "Hampelmann" bezog sich notabene nicht auf den Charakter des Herrn Currentzis, willenlos ist er sicherlich nicht!, sondern alleine auf seine Bewegungen ...
Vielen Dank für Ihre Antwort.
Wie Sie vielleicht meinem Kommentar (auf Englisch) von vor 6 Tagen entnehmen können, stimme ich völlig mit Ihrer ursprünglichen, als auch jetzt vertieften, Meinung überein.
Unter Populismus verstehe ich das Handeln um Anerkennung zu bekommen, auf Kosten von ethischen, und/oder aesthetischen, Werten.
In meinen Kommentaren sprach ich den, von mir vermeinten, Populismus von Teodor Currentzis an.
Dann sind wir ja einer Meinung! Herzliche Grüße!
Und kann auch damit nur einverstanden sein. Es gibt mir aber schon Hoffnung, dass es noch Menschen gibt, die das noch merken können.
Magnífica interpretación. Emotiva, exquisita, sublime. Confieso que es la primera vez que se de este autor de nombre Antón. Saben que nacionalidad tiene?
Oscar Galindo, Austria. es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Bruckner
Anton Bruckner, compositor austriaco, o maior sinfonista do romantisto para mim!
SWR Classic Desde México les envió un abrazo.
La musique n'a pas besoin d'être interprétée. Elle est ou elle n' est pas. Das ce cas nous sommes loin du compte!
If he didn't play the finale, I'm not interested.
여윾씌 탁월한 미친놈 쿠렌치스다
쿠렌치스 치고는 무난무난하네요ㅋㅋ
У меня аж сердцебиение зашкалило от восторга...
Выпей валерьянки
Understanding of music is enhanced by knowledge of its historical context.
The nine symphonies of Anton Bruckner have undergone many revisions, some of which can not be authenticated as being by Bruckner's hand. The last symphony was unfinished after almost ten years of composition.
The first performance of the 9th symphony, under Ferdinand Loewe, was based upon a score, largely amended by the conductor.
During the 20th century a tradition evolved as to the score and its interpretation, attempting to reflect, to the extent possible, the original Intentions of the composer.
More recently there is a tendency towards showmanship in the form of pantomine and minimalistic ballet in conducting, and selfrealisation, as composer, in intepretation.
The extent of this tendency varies as to individual conductor.
The appreciation of Bruckner's genius merits restraint in the conductor as regards personal visual and musical projection, allowing the music to come into its own.
PS.
Anton Bruckner was a very devout and humble person, by most accounts celibate, although very much attracted to the fairer sex. He was a church organist and musical pedagogue. His music is of extreme introspection, a communication with his God, to whom, it is said, he dedicated this symphony.
There exists much material, in Bruckner's hand, for a final movement to his 9th symphony. None approximates, in any meaningful way, Ligati's Lontano.
Adding Ligati's Lontano as a final movement to Bruckner's 9th symphony constitutes an act of irreverence to both Bruckner and Ligati, making a statement that is highly personal of the conductor.
Bruckner, in his own words, wanted to finish his last symphony with references to his previous symphonic works.
PPS.
It may be enlightening to visually, and musically, compare the interpretation of Bruckner's 7th symphony by the SWR Symphony Orchestra, under Christoph Eschenbach, with that, by the same orchestra, under Teodor Currentzis, of Bruckner's 9th symphony, augmented with Ligati's Lontano as a final movement.
Actually, Bruckner had pretty much finished the finale of his 9th. Unfortunately his "friends" handed out pages of the manuscript as souvenirs after his death. A large number of these have been located, and several (mostly convincing) completions have been recorded. Possibly the most convincing version remains the one recorded by Wildner.
Not by heart? Why?
You really have some weird priorities if you think that whether a conductor conducts by heart or is using a score is even remotely an interesting aspect to pay attention to. Banalities like that are not what music is about. It seems you are confusing music with sports.
@@Timrathit gives nevertheless a strange impression that he is looking at the score almost the whole time and telling the musicians how to play the music as if they were doing something wrong. Didn't they have any time to rehearse?
Ich habe schon tolle Sachen mit Currentzis gehört. Vor allem Mahler und sein Verdi Requiem mit den Berliner Philharmonikern waren fantastisch. Aber diese Aufnahme, so perfekt es gespielt ist und auch mit Gefühl, hat meiner Meinung nach nicht wirklich etwas mit Bruckner zu tun. Zu abgehackt und kein Bogen über der Musik. Thielemann ist da schon etwas anderes.
Verdi mit Berliner war auch schreklich...
@@vladiinsky nein das war genial
Die " ewig Gestrigen" werden's wieder mal nicht verstehen wollen....
Soll man hier den Dirigenten studieren?
Es kommt mir vor wie eine Pantomime...
He's a clown...always overdramatic, overconducting, overtempo, overdynamic. That's not my musical taste.
Very nice ! But without musicians, conductors are useless ! So, would be nice not to see only the conductor non stop 3min long, even if Currentzis is really amazing.
Thank you for the feedback!
Ich finde dieses ständige Rumgefuchtel schwer anzusehen. Muss er die Musiker die ganze Zeit belehren, wie sie die Musik spielen sollen? Haben sie es nicht genügend probiert?
Und was muss er die ganze Zeit in die Partitur sehen? Kennt er die Partitur nicht gut genug? Ich kann diesem Dirigenten überhaupt nichts abgewinnen (ich habe schon einige andere Videos von ihm gesehen und jedes Mal nach einiger Zeit abgeschaltet, weil es mir überhaupt nicht gefallen hat)
Mir kommt es so vor, als wollte der Herr Currentzis permanent allen zeigen, wie das Stück zu spielen sei, um sich selbst zu profilieren und zu inszenieren. Statt die Musiker einfach frei spielen zu lassen (zumindest im Konzert sollte das der Fall sein). Mir fehlt auch die Ehrfurcht und der Respekt dem Komponisten gegenüber.
Ce n' est pas mauvais! C'est très mauvais! Il est pardonné uniquement en raison de son ignorance. Il pense être prêt pour cette musique. Il est pour la musique de Bruckner ce que la pornographie est à l' érotisme. Heureusement l'orchestre compense certains manques du chef trop attaché à sa partition. L'idée du "finale" confirme le reste...
I guess it's good business for an orchestra when Currentis is conducting. They won't sell me the ticket, though. Not after that despicable Requiem of Verdi.