I'm replying dead space 3 with a friend and in the carver missions they get attacked and he has hallucinations while really close to the marker. Is this just for gameplay or is it cause they were made different or something?
@@TheBritishRunner though it’s only touched upon briefly in the lore it would make sense that the Marker would have some form of protective field around it. Think about it for a moment, that artifact is the only thing perpetuating the outbreak, weather with or without the help of a recombinant life form. You also have to take into account how the Necros will target essential systems and bring them down themselves, as seen recently by the scene in the remake, with the whippers lashing at the singularity core in the Kellion. It would equally make sense that the marker would want to protect itself from any unwanted damage amidst the chaos. Maybe it’s just me but after playing through the last mission in DS1 I noticed that the Necros became less aggressive as they approached Issac as he was moving the marker through the colony, not to say they wouldn’t attack him but it seemed like to me they weren’t as urgent as they could be. Could just be a gameplay thing but or It could just be me. But when you really think about it with how ravenous and destructive Necros can be even if for the purposes of self preservation it would make sense for a Marker to have some sort of dormancy field. However I’d be of the mind that the closer you get to the marker the easier it is to influence you as your right next to the source of the influence so it’s not like it would be a safe haven like gram gram says.
@@azazelsiad3601 Roanoke's theory make's sense; the area around the Marker is a false safety zone, where you feel like the sickness has lessened and the necros don't attack (there's a novel whete the Necros will not enter a certain range around the Marker at all), but in reality what it's doing is suppressing both your immune system and all disease while tinkering with your mind. You feel safer, but all you're doing is being set up for enslavement and death all the quicker.
That's my theory as well. I also theorize that one day, when there are enough Brother Moons, or maybe even when the entire universe is empty of all life except them, that they'll all begin a super convergence event and join into one Moon.
I greatly appreciate that you went through the trouble of figuring out inconsistencies and retcons in writing. These days a lot of people lack understanding of the creative process and treat information plainly, as if creators always have a master plan from the beginning and perfect information. It's bad enough for analyzing fictional stories, let alone dealing with the real world, and approaches like yours show real care and respect for knowledge. Thank you.
I have a feeling it was likely engineered at some point and intended as either an bioweapon or some sort of defence field for an alien civilization. First theory means that it was an weapon developed eons ago that went out of control and swallowed their creators before continually spreading and continuing to do so for eternity. The second theory might be that some advanced civilization came up at some point previous of the markers being made, it turned very advanced but then it started meeting other advanced alien races and going into wars with them. After getting tired of these wars they developed the Marker and brethren moons as an advanced pre-emptive strike mechanism for any civilizations that might grow advanced enough to develop space faring technology and challenge them.
I honestly think the markers were created out desperation and haste from a species that exhausted its resources and found a way to turn population into unlimited energy but with disastrous results
My theory is the Black Marker was a device created by the first ancestral race (that pioneered civilization) in the universe billion years ago powerful enough to terraform / transform any planet to be able to sustain any life form, not some sort of weapon. But, these thing came at the cost of massive amount of energy needed to do their work, so they created the First Brethren Moon, the ultimate life form. The first ancestral race collected sample of creatures across the universe, combine and refine them until became the form we know. At first, things work really well. The Brethren Moon supply the massive amount of energy required by the Black Marker to do it's job properly as their creator intended. However, the first ancestral race left the Brethren Moon unchecked without purpose after the process of transforming the planet done (bear in mind that this process take million of year). The First Brethren Moon came to the conclusion that it needs new purpose for existing, which is to transform other life being to become the form and flesh intended in order to spawn few Brethren Moon to power up more Black Marker across the universe.
I think the hallucinations that tell people to not do convergence or hide away the marker or not go thru with what they're doing. I think it only happen in certain few humans with strong willpower or mental resilience, and that these helpful hallucinations are the "human" or "good" part of themselves that's fighting back, trying to get them to stop doing what the marker does.
Or reverse psychology by the markers as in DS2 where Nicole is encouraging you as a marker induced hallucination until you reached the marker chamber to destroy it and she turns on you.
@cancerbucket2245 maybe the original race that made them have tied there consciousness in with them somehow. Pretty much a failsafe to attempt to get other races to stop convergence.
"Ships coming for the chosen" might also reference the dead bodies being retrieved from the planet as that would be a "chosen people" being preserved for the marker's uses.
the lore is incredible in the franchise. But not just that, besides the love triangle in dead space 3, the story in every game, book and comic is amazing as well. The narrative
Wouldn't the recombinant microorganism and the marker radiation two sides of the same coin? Like the way an infector can rapidly dispatch and change a person into a slasher seems like it's a bit more efficient than just the marker's radiation slowly altering a corpse by itself. It would make sense that the marker would attack from multiple fronts in this way in order to maximize efficiency, the same way it uses coercion and outright deception to get what it wants through mental manipulation.
I think the marker doesn't need anything except dead tissue, in DS3 it reanimated every dead body at the same time when containment was breached, the infectors/hallucinations & indoctrination is a slower but much safer way for a marker to start a necro outbreak, if it just sends the massive reanimation signal it would be clearly identified as the source and could be destroyed before it reaches its goals. The slow & subliminal way it starts with the first necros & infectors most civilisations would first think that its an alien invasion or some new plague, when they realise that the marker is the source, its already too late for them. In DS3 the Volantians built hundreds if not thousands of markers before the markers started their mind games & went all in with an outbreak and later on the convergence, so they either have a will on their own or the brethren moons know everything the marker can see and dictate its behaviour as it is a conduit to them, or a mix of both.
My understanding of the markers was this: 1. The red marker wasn't just "cosmetic". It was somehow altered or defective in some way. Earthgov had likely "understood" the original market enough that by the time they could create their own and experiment with it on Aegist 7, that they knew about the properties of the outbreak, so tried to limit it. It's why we see that the "dead space" around the markers only exists on the ones that EarthGov has built. Whereas there was no "Dead Zone" around the original. 2. The marker takes all "dead tissue" and doesn't care what it is. It alters it JUST ENOUGH to be useful to its purposes. It's why I think there's "The Leviathan" in Food Storage on the Ishimura... all that food is technically "Dead" and just sitting there, ready to be converted into a very large biomass. It would also explain the random growths on walls and such everywhere as people frequently leave "dead skin cells" everywhere they live for prolonged periods of time. I think this function is also how it "slowly infects" people. Small bits of you die every single day and are expelled from your body as waste. But, what if there was a signal that turns every single dead cell into a piece of Necromorph? Inside your body? Which would explain why the "changes are slow". It might even explain how the brain is being altered as well... headaches can be symptoms of brain cells dying... or ruptured blood vessels. The marker Signal turns dead tissue into Necromorph Tissue... 3. The hallucinations are actually a form of brain damage coupled with the information the marker is giving each individual cell. As of yet, we don't know whether or not OTHER SPECIES have these hallucinations, or if it is unique to humanity. We see no evidence of "in fighting" what-so-ever on Tau Volantis. On top of which, that alien species, in the midst of a massive outbreak, was able to construct a HUGE weather control machine, which must have cost thousands of man-hours to build, lots of their best and brightest to work things out, and a very long time to put it all together while holding off the Necromorphs. We see how fast they spread on the Ishimura. We see how fast they spread on The Sprawl. Tau Volantis was the only planet those aliens had. They never made it into space. It is likely their boosts to Stasis and Kinesis were a result of them only able to live on their planet and a dwindling population from the Necromorphs. They had to move much larger masses with fewer people and move them much farther, so they had to improve Stasis and Kinesis to get the job done. Lets also not forget that it "came down to the wire". The machine was activated at the MOMENT of convergence. At the HEART of convergence, no less. Which means, everyone else was probably already lost. For them, it very well could be that they were fighting a typical zombie outbreak, rather than what humans face. For them, it might have been as simple as "the dead coming back to life" and no mental repercussions what-so-ever. There's actually plenty of evidence to support that this is what happened. But humanity? As our brain cells die, they might get flooded with the information from the Marker, and this is a "slow realization" to us. We then either "embrace" this information, or we reject it out of self-preservation. The "Hallucinations" may not actually be the marker "talking" to us, but just our own interpretation of the signal broadcast to us. It probably also explains why "the smart people can build new markers" and "the dumb ones go insane". The smart ones are capable of parsing the data and separating it from their mind. The dumb ones can't understand the information at all and only get general broad strokes of what is happening to them. 4. The "dual voices" makes complete sense. Even if they're never mentioned again. The markers seem to "present a choice" to everyone. Only those who build a marker can destroy it. But, they must "go through all the steps" to be able to do either of those things. I don't think these were "retconned" all that much, or all that hard. I think the "dual voices" was really just the "one voice", but the species it acted on needed to make the choice. Preserve their own species in a galaxy devoid of resources and love... or submit to the marker and "make us whole". The markers lure in civilizations with the "unlimited energy" they produce. What sort of civilization needs a marker to do that, except one that is basically in a state of "circling the drain" from lack of resources, over population, and all the societal and personal stresses that brings about? Hence, why they go "active" at that point. Because, at that point, there are people who would listen to The Marker. People it could CONVINCE. Isaac even hears the "dual voices" in the second game. Nicole is sometimes mean and terrible to him... and sometimes kind and caring. It is only when he "resolves to see it through to the end" that Nicole becomes genuinely comforting to him. She leads him over to the Marker and "attempts to make him" start Convergence. But, he comes to his senses immediately. He makes the choice right then and there and has to destroy the Marker. So, he does. Once he has made this choice, his body is now "immune" to the signal somehow (hence why he has no hallucinations in Dead Space 3, or at least, I don't remember him ever having any, though I did not play the DLC, and I did play as Carver with a friend and I don't recall ever having my friend try to show me things I couldn't see, while I was constantly trying to show him things he couldn't see). 5. The markers seem to be intended to "seed life" on barren planets in order to create sentients that can then be turned into "Bretheren Moons". In essence, they are "galactic sperm, landing on potential eggs". It might even be that "dead Bretheren Moons" actually become the habital planets life is seeded upon. Earth might be the corpse of a long dead Moon, seeded with the potential to create new life and new moons. My personal guess is that the Markers are little more than a strand of DNA being shot around and built on a galactic scale, with each civilization being nothing more than "new cells" to create them. That we live upon the husks of much larger organisms. That we are the cells of said organisms. Created and destroyed to propagate the life of the organism we live upon. Anyway, that's my understanding of how the Markers work as well as their goals. Just based on what limited media I've interacted with, this is what I could piece together of the LIKELY intentions of the story and the writers on staff. But, they might have "dumbed it down" for the sake of appealing to an audience.
Great video. Honestly I found it hard to properly understand the inconsistencies in the lore, but these last few works have really opened the whole franchise for me (as I couldn't really engage with the products directly due to a lack of services and money in my country). It's kinda disheartening to see how many spins and turns the lore has gone through for a saga that should have heavily focused on the horror and/or monster designs, honestly. In any case, again, excellent video! I can't wait to see what'll come next once new material for the franchise comes out.
I still wonder if there will be a lore about the alien species that created the markers. Such as a dead planet on the edge of the known universe showing plans of an insane engineer or scientist who wanted to achieve immortality or to control everything or creating the markers as a tool to drive an enemy species against themselves by driving them insane but back fired on the creators. Eventually they discover how to permanently disable the markers
You are really informative for dead space. I’ve been a dead space fan since the first game but i just found your channel. Good stuff keep up the good work!
This was another interesting dead space video mate, great fun and I’m always interested in more discussion of one of my top favorite video game franchises. Keep on keeping on Runner.
I like the idea of humans developing genetic/mental defenses as we evolve combating the Markers influence. Their might be a point where if intelligent lifeforms become strong enough mentally the marker has a harder time spreading. This might be why the marker springs up cults to kill anyone who resists more effectively then Necromorphs. Overtime Isaac does develop far better resistance to the markers influence by the 2nd game which allows him to destroy it from within.
I wouldnt have liked it at all if they went the halo route. Instead they went kinda to the direction of Mass Effect or at least how mass effect should have been. A scary solution to the fermi paradox. The moons do say "you can kill the prophet but you cannot kill the god" and they still say "make us whole". Somewhat lovecrafty. So there is a bigger entity the moons or markers refer as god or maybe they refer to themselves as the god, which is really weird. Im not a writer but I dont know how one would make this into a scarier thing. I guess it wouldnt make sense to reveal who or what are the markers. Mass effect did that with the Reapers and it was bad. I would have prefered at least hints that markers and the moons are way beyond imagination for humans. Maybe finding a planet full of markers but no life, except these markers are natural rock formations. Sort of like there is an entity shaping rock to its will. Imho, flesh can be uncanny. Even rock being uncanny is very scary in my eyes.
A planet-sized Marker, ringed by an asteroid belt of black Markers, as the source from which other Markers are created and granted life. I do think that if the Necromorphs represent a parasitic electromagnetic perversion of organic material, their opposite could be living inorganic/synthetic entities i.e. natural robots.
After diving back into the games, comics and animation I can gather that the civilisation that made the markers wanted immortal life, they found a way to reanimated tissue but underestimated the true power of what they had formed, they would have started small and ended up with the first marker causing mass death and wiping out all information holders as to why and what happened. The people that died with the first marker must of had some psychic powers which would explain how the marker can reach into the heads of those around it, and the last psychic thoughts and feels being projected would of been painful horrific deaths, these would be the visions they inflict on new victims
I always assumed the recombinant was just a way of speeding up the process. For example at the start of DS2 where the infector kills Franco by stabbing him through the chest then pumping his head with fluid which causes him to turn into a necro within a couple of seconds, i'd thought the recombinant and the fluid the infector used was one in the same.
The signal creates the first Necromorph. Infectors are needed outside the markers signal range. I always thought the biologic theory was a mistake & overlooked it. The electromagnetic signal is a potential source of infinite energy.
The only part I don't agree with is that markers rebroadcast a signal rather than create it themselves. Well, to broadcast signal, you have to receive it, right? Were there signs of such receiving other than one note hypothesizing on it? I think not. Markers demonstrate independent behavior, they act and react depending on circumstances, that hardly can be seen as being just a transmitter. The most appropriate term for it, as I said here already, is "seed". Very advanced seed.
I always though it was weird that the marker in DS1 seemed to want to be brought back to Aegis VII and STOP the outbreak, but every marker after that wanted to START outbreaks.
The Marker in DS1 wanted to be reunited with the Hive Mind. Not necessarily stop the outbreak, just to be "whole again" with the Hive Mind. The Marker even in the first game echoes the Unitologists' beliefs of unity and becoming "one". Hence the Marker wanted them to "take it home" as put by Dr Kyne. The writers didn't put much thought into it beyond that.
Personal theory, though I got nothing for the originators of the Marker itself, the process moves in a cycle that rolls for hundreds of thousands of years (wake up, eat, go to sleep), and stalled with the last alien race, giving humanity time to spread further than most. Black Markers: Made in abundance, strewn through-out the galaxy, ment to guide life into sentience, or from sentience into intelligence to build more markers Red Markers: Markers made by humans that were altered by the black marker. Perhaps the red is in connection to our blood? Any other color of marker: Made by a different alien race, from a different seeding of life and awakening of the brethren moon. It's why/how there can be multiple ones of them.
The dormancy field seems like an act of self preservation, as it makes larger and larger creatures that could break the marker chasing fleeing people. As the organism gets larger, it will enfold the marker into the larger moon sized organism, but not until that point (when the markers are drawing everything up)
After consuming pretty much all DS related media, i highly doubt the sigma grindset of the brethren moons ever goes dormant, they don't send the markers out to hit a planet that might be supportive of life just by chance, they have an atleast rough idea where to send them & where the markers could kickstart evolution. When they absorb a civilisation they get all their collective knowledge, including surveys for inhabitable planets, similar as NASA does it right now and the moons will use it as an indicator to where the next harvest might come from, this is an ongoing process as one civilisation gets devoured another one might just have reached their industrial age and another few have just mastered fire & agriculture while others have might just emerged from the lovest evolutionary form. This way when a civilisation is "ripe" to be harvested and start building markers because of their juicy overpopulation, the moons spread out trough the galaxy like a fishing net (their network) picks up on the convergence and swoops in calling its buddies for dinner & to welcome the new moon. The size of the creatures seems dependant on the native life, in DS3 the standard Volantian necros are as big as brutes in DS1&2.
Remember how only certain people are given visions of marker creation like Isaac? The markers can see the mental makeup of the people it effects. The helpful and harmful visions aren't an inconsistency. The marker is telling people what they need to hear to manipulate them into doing what it wants. Even if those orders seem counterintuitive. How else would people who'd never (in their living moments) been exposed to the markers like people's dead relatives, know what Convergence is? Unless they were all Unitologists, which is exceedingly unlikely.
This surprised me while I was watching stalker lore vids...I missed the notification I guess. Had to pause that shit, cause the markers interest me. more than any other aspect I think...I was a nerdy ass teenager but Ive always been a bit obsessed w Kubrick..(I see I was a pretentious little shit as well, having put this in writing) but 2001 space odyssey always had something else...something more existential and maybe even basal in some way for me perseonally...and this is entirely due to the Monolith scaring the fuck out of me. Even so, Imo its one of the most fascinating concepts to have ever been written about. Clarke is a fantastic author as well....if any of you guys are fascinated by the marker specifically, you'll probably love the book series too. Hugely different plot obviously but the monolith apparently can trigger evolution to advance very quickly, maybe instant in some cases...and its absolutely artificial in every sense...origins and intended use are initially unclear...but its very very threatening somehow. im rambling but check it out !
It may just be a way to get people to become overprotective of the Marker, thus increasing tension and mistrust within the colony. We see this in the prequel comic as one of the people guarding the Marker becomes aggressive when told they're being replaced, rants about how "they want to hurt it" and then murders their colleague. Worth pointing out that the same hallucination that says not to let them take it also says that the Marker is salvation.
@@rubencastro811 that does make sense. Thank you. The apparitions are really interesting. I wonder why some appear to help humans and others "help" humans. Are all types of apparitions produced/influenced by the marker, or are some actually spirits? So many questions😂😂
@@K3nji_S Well in Martyr it's specifically stated that the "good" apparitions are not from the Marker but rather a result of something in the human mind that is opposed to the Markers. This ties into a deleted audio log from the second game that talks about this "genetic defence mechanism" being a product of an ancient race that fought against the Markers and created life on Earth, but as was said in this video this particular storyline was abandoned. It seems like it was originally going to be just like the dynamic between the Forerunners, humans and the Flood in Halo.
I think it may be a clue that ghosts may indeed be real in the Dead Space universe. To add to that, humanity is among many other creations of the Necromorphs' rivals who have been experimenting with psychic potential. I imagine the key to defeating the Necromorphs might involve fully unlocking humanity's psychic/spiritual potential, but in the process that may unleash other supernatural threats that are harder to stop. Maybe humanity's creators will decide to 'ascend' humanity once they prove their worthiness in defeating the Necromorphs, and we have a 'god AND devil are both evil' situation. I'm sure there's a way to shoehorn some sci-fi technobabble into rationalizing magic. Think of it like this: You can tear a zombie to pieces, but you can't kill a ghost.
I have no idea if anyone else heard it, but whenever i was in a store in deadspace 1 i always heard in the background a voice that said "You're insane"
A very well done video! its been a long time since i played through the games, and i never did get a clear grasp on how the makers worked, and the why(s) of the story. with the remake on the Horizon, i have found this franchise increasingly on my mind, and now, i know why it seemed like the story was inconsistent. it is. I actually recall when i played the first game going, O'! they are the flood", so i cant say they were wrong to feel that people would make that connection, but things would have been nicer if they had either been open about the soft rewrite, or fabricated a reason for it. I have never been fan of "Aliens created us " stories, (just my personal opinion, i don't mean anything by it) and have to admit, when they started to talk about that in the games, i was REALLY hoping it was a red herring, but I have to admit, i think you outlined not only the in game evidence for it, but justified it well enough, that I have to say it all makes good sense. When i first played through, i thought the fact that details didn't line up were planned, as a way of showing you how effectively the Markers can warp how people perceive reality. I didn't know however, about the two alien races being at war. Once you said it, I realized that, that must be the heart of the retcon, i wonder if the remake will start of without it, or include that kinda abandoned plot line.
I think Dead Space 3 really captured a sense of humanity's cosmic insignificance by doing the opposite of Prometheus' obnoxious anthropocentrism. In DS3 one among countless other Markers hit a random planet, and it was by coincidence that the creatures that would eventually enact the Marker's goal of awakening the Moons happened to be the distant descendants of some shrews that were around when the dinosaurs got nuked. The fate of Tau Volantis only underscores that they and humanity were just casualties in an incomprehensibly vast cycle of genocide. Whereas Prometheus had humans made in God's image and strongly implies that God wants to kill humans because they lynched Jesus (and then revealing that the Xenomorphs were the product of a vengeful human robot), the Necromorphs are simply timeless, hungry and apathetic. The latter feels much more intimidating while the former plays into an overinflated sense of self-importance.
Well if that's the case then the remake will come out when I turn 30.. Damn that's kind of hard for me to say lol, but hey least I'll start my thirties off with a good scary bang :D!
The recombinant lifeform doesn't need to be constantly mentioned as it is present in all games and midea, just for the sake of player, viewer, and reader not feeling board by a concept. if you pay attention, some of the lore and general background indicates that some form of the corruption/recombinant lifeform is constantly present if not directly mentioned. DS1 had the lifeform from experiments that were performed which allowed for the bacteria to be present for all DS1 sub midea. DS2 mentions the sludge, and as for the claim that the marker is doing it that is true but it is using the bacteria and corruption as its weapons. all of the sub media linked to DS2 and leading into DS3 submit to given concept that this is an Infection not an assimilation process. (the difference being assimilation would be taking leftover material and reconfiguring/repurposing without the need of bacteria or viruses it an Infection uses bacteria and viruses.)
hmm in fact i think the markers are very simillar to dark symetry from warzone universum. We dont know who create them, or what is that in core, both transform dead bodies to mutated necro soldiers, et cetera.
I don't think Vivian was sinisterly planning on having Cutner kill himself out the airlock. They were gonna put his ass on ice and most likely would've dug into his head like Stross or Isaac. I think she was trying to prevent that and release him of his suffering yknow?
True as most marker influence forces people to kill themselves in a way that preserves the biomass but this one made him take the airlock putting him in a place that he wouldn’t eventually be recombinated.
I would think that a celestial entity would make the first maker, to make others like itself, like the original brethren moon and then when that marker conquers that sector of the universe forms a brethren Moon then creates another marker from all it consumes when forming from the colony it devoured then launches the marker it created into another area to repeat. Since all of the brethren moons have a hive mind it’s uses the knowledge from one another too manipulate the control species to then make more markers like you see in dead space story to speed up the process of complete dominance.
It's crazy to think humans can just replicate the marker and it has the same properties as the *original* ? Like what are the red markers even made out of to make it work as the original just a metal inner body skeleton with another solid material to fill it in and the written symbols on it give it the power it needs to be like the original? Doesn't make sense
My guess with the "don't start convergence" is because the maker knows its not time yet. They may create a brethren comet instead of a intended moon. I could be wrong here
They don't say "don't start convergence" they say they need to stop the markers from committing to convergence. The marker in martyr wanted to bring about convergence however in the book there are apparitions or ghosts that aren't from the marker that tell you to leave it be. So if a apparition is telling to stop the marker then it's not being produced by the marker it's something else.
@@TheBritishRunner ooooohhhhh. No your right. There was a deleted audio log in dead space 2 suggesting we are the last line of defense against the markers.
@@TheBritishRunner sorry again. I'm sorry if I'm stupid and not understanding. So the marker has two effects? One thats helpful and a warning. And the other makes convergence and necros?
@@blubberfeet5430 No the marker doesn't help people and I don't think you are stupid, that's why I make these videos to try and bridge the gap in understanding these things
I kinda prefer the idea the recombinant lifeform doesn't exist, it makes the way the marker works more unnatural and mysterious. It does seem though that they went harder into bringing it back in the remake though so I think it is here to stay. But I guess they could also twist it into a secondary infection vector from the marker and not the primary method. Think the idea it only fully revives corpses when the marker releases an EMP and the recombinant is an infection vector to those consuming necro, with open wounds but still alive, etc.
Eh i have always believed that it was both. And your dev quote kinda proves it you said that the marker broadcasts a signal that creates "necromorph tissue" and then leads to necromorph's it is in that that the necromorph recombination lives the marker when activated sends out a signal that makes living beings delusional or to see codes it inevitably kills these signal hosts and then the signal acts like a very specific radiation altering the DNA of the host turning it into the recombinant viral strain which then births necromorph out of what it currently occupies. I don't have a dog in the race but figured I'd throw my view in the ring great video by the by.
Your speech pattern in this video is way better than the sprawl retrospective video. It's faster here. It doesn't sound like your try for force some eriee tone. This is easier listening
I see what you mean now by different studios, had no idea the animation style changed so much in the cartoon chunks, I still like the first one more but maybe I have to rewatch it again haha
That mic was horrible, either the volume was too high or it’s faulty because my ears hurt just listening to this. Really was interested on the topic too. 😵💫
Tho I can see your own takes I do also see alot of problems with it to. But like you said interpretations can differ from preson to preson. It is cool to talk about your talk with everyone else tho I do agree people can take things abit far with insulting and such.
I guess the Markers all have a kind of own character. Some want to be repaired because they are damaged, others want to be reunited with their socket, while others just bring madness. Maybe the Markers are kind of sentient. The brethren moons don’t have to be the final destination and the goal of the markers. Maybe they are just one outcome… one of multiple outcomes… probably the worst.
In martyr the marker was never damaged the scientists just theorised that was why the marker had stopped issuing out the pulse waves due to a piece of the monolith being missing. The marker in Aegis VII wanted to be placed on a pedestal to amplify it's properties to reach out to the master signal, the moons are the only end game to the markers I'm afraid as all of the lore points towards that, the lore on them would have been expanded on in the next installment if dead space 3 didn't flop.
@@TheBritishRunner but didn’t the Black Marker even warn humanity in a twisted way? Humanity most of the time just don’t get it 😂. And putting the red marker on the socket actively stoped the outbreak, more or less, with all necromorphs transforming into puddles of goo. It’s seems to me like the marker try to warn humanity but when they don’t listen, everything after that leads to the brethren moons.
@@kaischickentanz2874 Back in the backstory log the marker possessed a dormancy field once the pedestal was fitted to the marker, it amplified it's abilities so that broadened the field that immobilises the necromorphes but also broadened the signal allowing it to travel further outward into space. The black marker wasn't trying to warn humanity it was sending out visions as to distract and distress causing insomnia. In Martyr there are two different forces using apparitions one being the marker asking people to make it whole but the others that were warning the humans who were nearby to the marker was produced by the genetic mental defense system that was to protect them. Good apparitions and the recombinant life form was eventually removed as they don't appear after aftermath.
@@serlistogiette4168 I do believe it is what is not canon is having the genetics imprinted onto us by aliens but rather developed over time naturally by being exposed to the marker.
@Tiffany Ballard i mean if you're a lovecraftion monster who's done this like 7 times a few million years probably just feels like waiting for your hot-pocket to heat up in the microwave.
I'm rewatching this so is it possible the markers are actually benign. My reasoning they seem to warn in almost all recorded cases. Maybe the signal isn't meant to drive a species mad bit that it's so complicated that the majority can't handle it
The precursors didn't like having to deal with races some times because they didn't operate with a single mind. Not all the people were of the same opinions. How could you engineer a correction for this annoyance? Make a marker. I don't believe that the carnage we see was directly intended but the end game certainly is. Don't like individual people making different choices? Recombine them into a sentient moon. The corruption is effecting how it goes about it's business but not what it was built to do.
The halo flood survived,the forerunners created the markers as a defense against the necromorphs (basically the flood) as if you've watched the movies,the necromorphs don't attack in the presence of the marker. Just MY theory..my GAME THEORY! halo and dead space are same universe,different timelines. Idk I just made this up
The concept of Good & Evil, right and wrong. is NOT a matter of perspective, or a human invention. Nature have made you a moral compas, people refine that, and religion perfects it. For that reason it is commonly known as a human concept. So yeah, when a marker kills your species, turns them insane and reanimates them horrificly. That is pretty darn evil, yes by human definition, but you're human, so there is no reason to take the markers in defense. But seeing as they're machines or enchanted pillars, they're as evil as a toaster to which you put in your hand. Anti-human necro-romantic.
I could say the same for any other species that have hunted humans and others down before. We could call animals evil and they could think the same of us considering what we do, so if we or they aren't necessarily an evil in the world why would the marker be evil when acting in it's own nature. Its evil to the ones it pursues yes that is correct. But when looking at it from an objective standpoint no they aren't that was my point. I wasn't defending the markers or necromorphes I was simply pointing out a fact from a different perspective. Also good and evil is entirely about perspective, do you really think that people who are classed or were classed as evil really know they are no one ever thinks of themselves as the villain everyone always tells themselves the lie that they are good even when they aren't.
Is it possible since the moons are made up of different individuals driven insane wouldn't that mean all those voices are the former individuals in that state of insanity with a few of the intelligent voice getting through to more intelligent individuals. And all those minds are inside each new marker
Imagine if Awakened represented Isaac's mind getting absorbed by the newborn moon, turning him into the 'hivemind' of the moon created from the consumption of humanity. In an ironic way Isaac becomes the god of the religion he despises, just like Altman, and I can see him haunting Ellie in a similar way to Nicole. Also, controversial as it may be, imagine if the final boss of the series was killing Isaac himself in a way to free him from the Necromorphs and killing the 'mind' behind the Necromorphs. At the very least it would be a heroic sacrifice that would undoubtedly turn him into the Messiah of a new religion.
I like that. Can also have it where by having to kill himself he can cause a massive psyionic blast that could kill the other moons. But to make it more dangerous it would have to be done when convergence is nearly completed to establish the psychic link.
Nothing makes me want to click off a video faster than an intro that boils down directly to drama response. On conversation and continuum that I don't know about and/or definitely don't care.
What if. Dementia was natural defense of brain to counter the marker signal. But its happen because adaptation from human brain (not generated by alien). Like its trying to resist the signal to change the human.
I actually find the retcon still works with the frist game and 3. As we know now with 3 and you said yourself the Markers all have to be whole to start convergence unless a marker is destroyed completely it's still part of that chain. So being the Marker in 1 was legit cut apart and was in the middle of Convergence when it was stopped that means the Marker would want to make itself whole as if it wasn't then convergence wouldn't happen. This also explains why the Marker attacks him after he leaves. As because of him the Marker gets destroyed ended its connection to the chain failing its purpose. Isaac was no longer a tool it could use to fix itself but instead could be used to make more Infecting him with the Markers code.
Sub to channel after this video cause I love how you stated the facts and said it’s ok for people to be entitled to their own opinion but fuck off 🤣. The chronological lore is also great btw. Very detailed and entertaining. Thank you!
The main reason why I am pushing the idea of the marker being made if biomass with the consciousness of other living species trapped inside is because it can explain why the marker drives some people insane to kill, while it manipulates more intelligent people to build more markers similar to how a cult manipulates people, but attempts to warn other people of the danger the marker brings. Because it's the consciousness of individuals breaking through to some people warning them. As the for the energy part scientists have proven the human body is constantly producing different styles of energy such as Heat Energy, Organic Electro magnetic pulses(brain sending signals to the body) and many kinds if chemical energy such as fast twitch muscles reacting, digestion etc. So would it make sense that an alien species that is scientificly advanced and has exhausted their natural resources would find a way to convert living beings into an unlimited power source, reduce their population but because of their desperation and haste created the markers but did fully understand what would happen.
Hmm, my understanding was the signal animates bacteria (power source) that cause the corruption. Also I think it is undeniable the red marker IS flawed relative to the black.
Considering the narrative lead / lore creator has already explained all of this, this video is pretty diluted. There's not a lot up for interpretation in reference to the markers. I believe the exact quote is the marker produces "builders and fodder" The intelligent portion of a host race is manipulated into producing more markers. The fodder are just bodies, people driven insane to produce more bodies to help fuel convergence, which is unequivocally the formation of a brethren moon. The apparitions that speak against the marker are only experienced by a small handful of the population described as a "white blood cell response" to the markers from a host species. My guy your lore is all over the place and not accurate... Unitology is the result of the builder side, this is why every species that is ever encountered the markers has a sect of their species that builds and worships markers...
With so much thought towards research and painstakingly theory-crafting about Dead Space, I wonder what 'TheBritishRunner' thinks of the biology-theory videos made RoanokeGaming? ruclips.net/p/PL00tJX1OQGKHKz4djocVSkvFvJLxqs6AX
You mentioned another RUclipsr who criticized you it couldn't be Roanoke gaming would it? If so that sucks because I like you both you guys put out great videos
@@nihilityjoey Maybe you should stop before making a fool of yourself again dude. I didn't even mention you in this video or this comment thread and here you are, you obviously know of what you are doing. You act as if you are 100% right and if anything says otherwise you through it out of the window and say it's wrong even if it came from the developers and the writing teams. Perhaps you should just go for a walk. As I said I'm done trying to convince you, go ahead and make your videos but I'm done talking about this with you.
0:42 "I also stated i did not read the books" Not that the books matter in the slightest. They are all pretty much fanfiction written by multiple different authors, non of whom had anything thing to do with the story development of the games. With that said its hard to make sense of a lot the DS lore because its been retconned every single game. Which if you read up the history of EA Redwood Shores / Visercal it becomes slightly more obvious why.
There's definitely a lore inconsistency in regards to the markers: To me it is still unclear if those artifacts alone make necromorphs like in the second movie or if an infection needs a specific source like portrayed in dead space 1 (infection caused by setting free the hive mind due to mining on eagis7). The remake definitely has to make things more clear.
@@nihilityjoey So because one thing was incorrect slightly the entire source is to be deemed to be fake? What about the other two sources that I showed you? Let me guess they were to be ignored aswell because not in line with your interpretation. Your recombinant theory is just a theory nothing more as there are logs that detail the marker reanimating the corpses into necromorphs and none that state otherwise in the sequel games. The fact you choose to ignore them is startling lol.
@@nihilityjoey Your entire comment is not worth reading after seeing "You are claiming stuff, yet not providing proof" maybe watch the video for the proof where I actually tell you where you can find the logs I reference as I do state which is which. The only reason you can't find the logs that tell you these things is because you ignore them along with anything that proves you wrong instead you constantly reach out to grab things that aren't there or twist them to suit your narrative. Yes some of the things you state are factual but the rest aren't.
@@nihilityjoey You say dead space 3 puts the recombinant life form back into the series but yet there's no mention of it. There is no evidence after dead space salvage that suggests a life form recombinates the dead into necromorphs. Hell I'd even suggest that little theory you have there is based off of thinking the corruption and recombinant life form is the same entity. Which hasn't been confirmed. I'm going off of what is mentioned in the media. And the media doesn't talk about what you think, after salvage. You have your opinions but yet no source material in salvage or afterwards that suggests what you say is correct. As I certainly didn't see any lines of dialogue or logs or quotes in the book about this life form.
@@nihilityjoey Honestly Joey, what kind of Unitologist pills did you took to continue to act like this? It is already obvious that British doesn't care one cent about what you're even saying to this point and other frequent viewers of this channel (including myself). I respect the fact that you care about the game but jesus christ dude, just let it go and stop making yourself look like the bad guy and honestly to this point you're like a attention-seeker (even if you're right or not, you've lost your credibility thanks to your behaviour). I'll say this for the last, you got a channel yourself so then focus all this energy and create your videos with your lore theories and/or canon stuff on your own channel. If he wanted to be harsh with you he would have called out your name in the recent videos but at least he had the decency to maintain you anonymously.
why can't the markers do both? say the markers have a microorganism that it spreads out via the air, water etc. and it does that until it detects something from corpses withing x area around it then it starts releasing the signal for the microorganism to grow x forms to spread and produce more of the microorganisms with infectors, slashers, the bio growth, etc. like slashers to make corpses and infectors to make more slashers, etc. i mean if it was canon at one point it still canon otherwise people would not be arguing over it as much.... maybe. but everyone has their own opinion.
Because the developers and writers confirmed it already sources are in the description along with that the logs don't talk about both scenarios being factual they instead point to the marker as the root cause for everything.
@@TheBritishRunner ah well. i can see why they do not want it being close to halo and the flood as you said but still. to me does not make a lot of of sense but it is their game so they can do what they like and i still play the game so. Keep up all your hard work sir. :)
Here’s a thought maybe they shouldn’t rewrite their bloody universe at the beginning of their next game it’s annoying when I’m being told one thing by the devs another by the books and yet another by the movies then a smattering of oh you thought you knew when I start the second game just stick with one dang idea instead of snorting speed and rewriting it again
What drives me nuts is what EA did at the end of the series. If you wanted the “true” ending you would had to buy the Marker Edition of Dead Space 3. It was $120 and only could be pre-ordered at EA website and no where else. It contained: A 6’ tall mini Marker A small 8oz reusable water bottle that looked like a small Health pack A book with concept art 2 posters A Dead Space style note book Dead Space game 10 different pre order bonus equipments Lastly Early access to all 4 DLC (1) Awakened (2) Severed Moon (3) Freedom of Madness (4) Fermi Paradox Once EA got annoyed that it could not make money from micro transactions because of fans feedback, they decided not to release all DLC. Also if you try to play the other DLC’s on Live Streaming system, EA will sent notices to your accounts or even sue you. What’s worse is the details are banned from non EA companies and contents providers. Basically the Dead Space Wikipedia pages are censored for “copyright” issues. I am very happy that one of my friends purchased this and other games highest cost editions. Did you know the Europeans legendary edition of Residents Evil Village came with a working Type writer from the game instead of a giant Chris statue?
Note: The dormancy field is still canon as it's hinted in catalyst, that was a scripting error.
I'm replying dead space 3 with a friend and in the carver missions they get attacked and he has hallucinations while really close to the marker. Is this just for gameplay or is it cause they were made different or something?
@@simpeldisaster4533 gameplay wouldn't have made sense for enemies not to be able to attack same thing in the first game
@@TheBritishRunner cool, we were having a light debate about that. Thanks man.
@@TheBritishRunner though it’s only touched upon briefly in the lore it would make sense that the Marker would have some form of protective field around it. Think about it for a moment, that artifact is the only thing perpetuating the outbreak, weather with or without the help of a recombinant life form. You also have to take into account how the Necros will target essential systems and bring them down themselves, as seen recently by the scene in the remake, with the whippers lashing at the singularity core in the Kellion. It would equally make sense that the marker would want to protect itself from any unwanted damage amidst the chaos. Maybe it’s just me but after playing through the last mission in DS1 I noticed that the Necros became less aggressive as they approached Issac as he was moving the marker through the colony, not to say they wouldn’t attack him but it seemed like to me they weren’t as urgent as they could be. Could just be a gameplay thing but or It could just be me. But when you really think about it with how ravenous and destructive Necros can be even if for the purposes of self preservation it would make sense for a Marker to have some sort of dormancy field. However I’d be of the mind that the closer you get to the marker the easier it is to influence you as your right next to the source of the influence so it’s not like it would be a safe haven like gram gram says.
@@azazelsiad3601 Roanoke's theory make's sense; the area around the Marker is a false safety zone, where you feel like the sickness has lessened and the necros don't attack (there's a novel whete the Necros will not enter a certain range around the Marker at all), but in reality what it's doing is suppressing both your immune system and all disease while tinkering with your mind. You feel safer, but all you're doing is being set up for enslavement and death all the quicker.
I like to think that the necromorphs were long dead races attempt at immortality, it just went out of control.
That's a good head canon I haven't heard that one before
@@uncletbone4420 the moons outright state it in 3 "we will live forever"
@@The-Okami-Project right but maybe a combined consciousness wasn’t the plan. Like maybe they wanted to stay as individuals. But it went wrong?
That's my theory as well. I also theorize that one day, when there are enough Brother Moons, or maybe even when the entire universe is empty of all life except them, that they'll all begin a super convergence event and join into one Moon.
@@noble300000 Or maybe it went just right, not sure on my theory
I greatly appreciate that you went through the trouble of figuring out inconsistencies and retcons in writing. These days a lot of people lack understanding of the creative process and treat information plainly, as if creators always have a master plan from the beginning and perfect information. It's bad enough for analyzing fictional stories, let alone dealing with the real world, and approaches like yours show real care and respect for knowledge. Thank you.
And there's me just in the corner scribbling on the wall talking gibberish about how death is the answer. But thank you.
The biggest mystery of Dead Space. Who or what created the markers?
Danny devito himself
I have a feeling it was likely engineered at some point and intended as either an bioweapon or some sort of defence field for an alien civilization.
First theory means that it was an weapon developed eons ago that went out of control and swallowed their creators before continually spreading and continuing to do so for eternity.
The second theory might be that some advanced civilization came up at some point previous of the markers being made, it turned very advanced but then it started meeting other advanced alien races and going into wars with them. After getting tired of these wars they developed the Marker and brethren moons as an advanced pre-emptive strike mechanism for any civilizations that might grow advanced enough to develop space faring technology and challenge them.
I honestly think the markers were created out desperation and haste from a species that exhausted its resources and found a way to turn population into unlimited energy but with disastrous results
Davros.
My theory is the Black Marker was a device created by the first ancestral race (that pioneered civilization) in the universe billion years ago powerful enough to terraform / transform any planet to be able to sustain any life form, not some sort of weapon. But, these thing came at the cost of massive amount of energy needed to do their work, so they created the First Brethren Moon, the ultimate life form. The first ancestral race collected sample of creatures across the universe, combine and refine them until became the form we know. At first, things work really well. The Brethren Moon supply the massive amount of energy required by the Black Marker to do it's job properly as their creator intended. However, the first ancestral race left the Brethren Moon unchecked without purpose after the process of transforming the planet done (bear in mind that this process take million of year). The First Brethren Moon came to the conclusion that it needs new purpose for existing, which is to transform other life being to become the form and flesh intended in order to spawn few Brethren Moon to power up more Black Marker across the universe.
I think the hallucinations that tell people to not do convergence or hide away the marker or not go thru with what they're doing. I think it only happen in certain few humans with strong willpower or mental resilience, and that these helpful hallucinations are the "human" or "good" part of themselves that's fighting back, trying to get them to stop doing what the marker does.
It is precisely that. It's a defense mechanism of some of our brains.
Or reverse psychology by the markers as in DS2 where Nicole is encouraging you as a marker induced hallucination until you reached the marker chamber to destroy it and she turns on you.
Or they are a "back up" or failsave to prevent the marker from doing its rhing
Maybe "programmed" in by the og creators
@cancerbucket2245 maybe the original race that made them have tied there consciousness in with them somehow. Pretty much a failsafe to attempt to get other races to stop convergence.
"Ships coming for the chosen" might also reference the dead bodies being retrieved from the planet as that would be a "chosen people" being preserved for the marker's uses.
Dead space has some the most underrated lore ever game was my childhood can't wait for the remake
the lore is incredible in the franchise. But not just that, besides the love triangle in dead space 3, the story in every game, book and comic is amazing as well. The narrative
Wouldn't the recombinant microorganism and the marker radiation two sides of the same coin? Like the way an infector can rapidly dispatch and change a person into a slasher seems like it's a bit more efficient than just the marker's radiation slowly altering a corpse by itself. It would make sense that the marker would attack from multiple fronts in this way in order to maximize efficiency, the same way it uses coercion and outright deception to get what it wants through mental manipulation.
I think the marker doesn't need anything except dead tissue, in DS3 it reanimated every dead body at the same time when containment was breached, the infectors/hallucinations & indoctrination is a slower but much safer way for a marker to start a necro outbreak, if it just sends the massive reanimation signal it would be clearly identified as the source and could be destroyed before it reaches its goals. The slow & subliminal way it starts with the first necros & infectors most civilisations would first think that its an alien invasion or some new plague, when they realise that the marker is the source, its already too late for them. In DS3 the Volantians built hundreds if not thousands of markers before the markers started their mind games & went all in with an outbreak and later on the convergence, so they either have a will on their own or the brethren moons know everything the marker can see and dictate its behaviour as it is a conduit to them, or a mix of both.
Very interesting. Damn Dead Space always had a amazing lore.
My understanding of the markers was this:
1. The red marker wasn't just "cosmetic". It was somehow altered or defective in some way. Earthgov had likely "understood" the original market enough that by the time they could create their own and experiment with it on Aegist 7, that they knew about the properties of the outbreak, so tried to limit it. It's why we see that the "dead space" around the markers only exists on the ones that EarthGov has built. Whereas there was no "Dead Zone" around the original.
2. The marker takes all "dead tissue" and doesn't care what it is. It alters it JUST ENOUGH to be useful to its purposes. It's why I think there's "The Leviathan" in Food Storage on the Ishimura... all that food is technically "Dead" and just sitting there, ready to be converted into a very large biomass. It would also explain the random growths on walls and such everywhere as people frequently leave "dead skin cells" everywhere they live for prolonged periods of time. I think this function is also how it "slowly infects" people. Small bits of you die every single day and are expelled from your body as waste. But, what if there was a signal that turns every single dead cell into a piece of Necromorph? Inside your body? Which would explain why the "changes are slow". It might even explain how the brain is being altered as well... headaches can be symptoms of brain cells dying... or ruptured blood vessels. The marker Signal turns dead tissue into Necromorph Tissue...
3. The hallucinations are actually a form of brain damage coupled with the information the marker is giving each individual cell. As of yet, we don't know whether or not OTHER SPECIES have these hallucinations, or if it is unique to humanity. We see no evidence of "in fighting" what-so-ever on Tau Volantis. On top of which, that alien species, in the midst of a massive outbreak, was able to construct a HUGE weather control machine, which must have cost thousands of man-hours to build, lots of their best and brightest to work things out, and a very long time to put it all together while holding off the Necromorphs. We see how fast they spread on the Ishimura. We see how fast they spread on The Sprawl. Tau Volantis was the only planet those aliens had. They never made it into space. It is likely their boosts to Stasis and Kinesis were a result of them only able to live on their planet and a dwindling population from the Necromorphs. They had to move much larger masses with fewer people and move them much farther, so they had to improve Stasis and Kinesis to get the job done. Lets also not forget that it "came down to the wire". The machine was activated at the MOMENT of convergence. At the HEART of convergence, no less. Which means, everyone else was probably already lost. For them, it very well could be that they were fighting a typical zombie outbreak, rather than what humans face. For them, it might have been as simple as "the dead coming back to life" and no mental repercussions what-so-ever. There's actually plenty of evidence to support that this is what happened. But humanity? As our brain cells die, they might get flooded with the information from the Marker, and this is a "slow realization" to us. We then either "embrace" this information, or we reject it out of self-preservation. The "Hallucinations" may not actually be the marker "talking" to us, but just our own interpretation of the signal broadcast to us. It probably also explains why "the smart people can build new markers" and "the dumb ones go insane". The smart ones are capable of parsing the data and separating it from their mind. The dumb ones can't understand the information at all and only get general broad strokes of what is happening to them.
4. The "dual voices" makes complete sense. Even if they're never mentioned again. The markers seem to "present a choice" to everyone. Only those who build a marker can destroy it. But, they must "go through all the steps" to be able to do either of those things. I don't think these were "retconned" all that much, or all that hard. I think the "dual voices" was really just the "one voice", but the species it acted on needed to make the choice. Preserve their own species in a galaxy devoid of resources and love... or submit to the marker and "make us whole". The markers lure in civilizations with the "unlimited energy" they produce. What sort of civilization needs a marker to do that, except one that is basically in a state of "circling the drain" from lack of resources, over population, and all the societal and personal stresses that brings about? Hence, why they go "active" at that point. Because, at that point, there are people who would listen to The Marker. People it could CONVINCE. Isaac even hears the "dual voices" in the second game. Nicole is sometimes mean and terrible to him... and sometimes kind and caring. It is only when he "resolves to see it through to the end" that Nicole becomes genuinely comforting to him. She leads him over to the Marker and "attempts to make him" start Convergence. But, he comes to his senses immediately. He makes the choice right then and there and has to destroy the Marker. So, he does. Once he has made this choice, his body is now "immune" to the signal somehow (hence why he has no hallucinations in Dead Space 3, or at least, I don't remember him ever having any, though I did not play the DLC, and I did play as Carver with a friend and I don't recall ever having my friend try to show me things I couldn't see, while I was constantly trying to show him things he couldn't see).
5. The markers seem to be intended to "seed life" on barren planets in order to create sentients that can then be turned into "Bretheren Moons". In essence, they are "galactic sperm, landing on potential eggs". It might even be that "dead Bretheren Moons" actually become the habital planets life is seeded upon. Earth might be the corpse of a long dead Moon, seeded with the potential to create new life and new moons. My personal guess is that the Markers are little more than a strand of DNA being shot around and built on a galactic scale, with each civilization being nothing more than "new cells" to create them. That we live upon the husks of much larger organisms. That we are the cells of said organisms. Created and destroyed to propagate the life of the organism we live upon.
Anyway, that's my understanding of how the Markers work as well as their goals. Just based on what limited media I've interacted with, this is what I could piece together of the LIKELY intentions of the story and the writers on staff. But, they might have "dumbed it down" for the sake of appealing to an audience.
Unitologist: Don't fear death
Also Unitologist: believe or die!
“Don’t fear death, but if you do, I’ll make you confront it!”
Great video. Honestly I found it hard to properly understand the inconsistencies in the lore, but these last few works have really opened the whole franchise for me (as I couldn't really engage with the products directly due to a lack of services and money in my country).
It's kinda disheartening to see how many spins and turns the lore has gone through for a saga that should have heavily focused on the horror and/or monster designs, honestly.
In any case, again, excellent video! I can't wait to see what'll come next once new material for the franchise comes out.
I still wonder if there will be a lore about the alien species that created the markers. Such as a dead planet on the edge of the known universe showing plans of an insane engineer or scientist who wanted to achieve immortality or to control everything or creating the markers as a tool to drive an enemy species against themselves by driving them insane but back fired on the creators. Eventually they discover how to permanently disable the markers
I would imagine that the origin of the Markers would not be a planet but something more ethereal like a black hole
I wonder if revealing the origins of the markers is a good idea. It feels like they will lose a lot of their existential dread that way.
Dead space downfall also has one of the sickest death scenes I have ever seen tbh.
Idk man, Altman being forced to fight a brute with a sharpened spoon was pretty brutal.
You are really informative for dead space. I’ve been a dead space fan since the first game but i just found your channel. Good stuff keep up the good work!
Make us Whole Migel
a complete video for the Marker, my god thanks lets watching that all together and make us whole !
Fantastic content as always, always look forward to your videos
This was another interesting dead space video mate, great fun and I’m always interested in more discussion of one of my top favorite video game franchises. Keep on keeping on Runner.
I like the idea of humans developing genetic/mental defenses as we evolve combating the Markers influence. Their might be a point where if intelligent lifeforms become strong enough mentally the marker has a harder time spreading. This might be why the marker springs up cults to kill anyone who resists more effectively then Necromorphs. Overtime Isaac does develop far better resistance to the markers influence by the 2nd game which allows him to destroy it from within.
Dead space has always been one of my favorite series of games really enjoying the lore videos after so long without revisiting the franchise.
I wouldnt have liked it at all if they went the halo route. Instead they went kinda to the direction of Mass Effect or at least how mass effect should have been. A scary solution to the fermi paradox.
The moons do say "you can kill the prophet but you cannot kill the god" and they still say "make us whole". Somewhat lovecrafty. So there is a bigger entity the moons or markers refer as god or maybe they refer to themselves as the god, which is really weird.
Im not a writer but I dont know how one would make this into a scarier thing. I guess it wouldnt make sense to reveal who or what are the markers. Mass effect did that with the Reapers and it was bad. I would have prefered at least hints that markers and the moons are way beyond imagination for humans. Maybe finding a planet full of markers but no life, except these markers are natural rock formations. Sort of like there is an entity shaping rock to its will.
Imho, flesh can be uncanny. Even rock being uncanny is very scary in my eyes.
A planet-sized Marker, ringed by an asteroid belt of black Markers, as the source from which other Markers are created and granted life. I do think that if the Necromorphs represent a parasitic electromagnetic perversion of organic material, their opposite could be living inorganic/synthetic entities i.e. natural robots.
Amazing video man! Gee, I can't believe my comment on your other video led to the argument that would inspire this whole thing 😂
It wasn't your comment that sparked this video rather the other guys thread in the other comments
@@TheBritishRunner Ooh I see. I felt bad as I thought I had inadvertently started some kind of toxic war 😂 Great video regardless though!!
Great work on the video. I look forward to your future videos on the dead space remake.
After diving back into the games, comics and animation I can gather that the civilisation that made the markers wanted immortal life, they found a way to reanimated tissue but underestimated the true power of what they had formed, they would have started small and ended up with the first marker causing mass death and wiping out all information holders as to why and what happened. The people that died with the first marker must of had some psychic powers which would explain how the marker can reach into the heads of those around it, and the last psychic thoughts and feels being projected would of been painful horrific deaths, these would be the visions they inflict on new victims
Can’t wait for your video on the remake
I always assumed the recombinant was just a way of speeding up the process. For example at the start of DS2 where the infector kills Franco by stabbing him through the chest then pumping his head with fluid which causes him to turn into a necro within a couple of seconds, i'd thought the recombinant and the fluid the infector used was one in the same.
The Markers and Bretheren Moons has to be one of my favorite depictions of Aliens next to the Flood, ever.
I love dead space so I'm always interested in watching more videos on it.
The signal creates the first Necromorph. Infectors are needed outside the markers signal range. I always thought the biologic theory was a mistake & overlooked it. The electromagnetic signal is a potential source of infinite energy.
Gonna be honest: F*** them! Dude, I found your stuff yesterday when I had autoplay on and your content is amazing.
The only part I don't agree with is that markers rebroadcast a signal rather than create it themselves. Well, to broadcast signal, you have to receive it, right? Were there signs of such receiving other than one note hypothesizing on it? I think not. Markers demonstrate independent behavior, they act and react depending on circumstances, that hardly can be seen as being just a transmitter. The most appropriate term for it, as I said here already, is "seed". Very advanced seed.
I always though it was weird that the marker in DS1 seemed to want to be brought back to Aegis VII and STOP the outbreak, but every marker after that wanted to START outbreaks.
The Marker in DS1 wanted to be reunited with the Hive Mind. Not necessarily stop the outbreak, just to be "whole again" with the Hive Mind.
The Marker even in the first game echoes the Unitologists' beliefs of unity and becoming "one". Hence the Marker wanted them to "take it home" as put by Dr Kyne. The writers didn't put much thought into it beyond that.
The Marker is truly a master of mind manipulation and control for the event of CONVERGENCE.
I love dead space and it lore I can't wait for the remake
Ty for being one of the few people that deeply dive into the lore of this series I've always found it interesting
The real question is which came first? The chicken or the egg? I mean the marker or the moon?
The marker would have came first seeming as it was created by intelligent life.
Personal theory, though I got nothing for the originators of the Marker itself, the process moves in a cycle that rolls for hundreds of thousands of years (wake up, eat, go to sleep), and stalled with the last alien race, giving humanity time to spread further than most.
Black Markers: Made in abundance, strewn through-out the galaxy, ment to guide life into sentience, or from sentience into intelligence to build more markers
Red Markers: Markers made by humans that were altered by the black marker. Perhaps the red is in connection to our blood?
Any other color of marker: Made by a different alien race, from a different seeding of life and awakening of the brethren moon. It's why/how there can be multiple ones of them.
The dormancy field seems like an act of self preservation, as it makes larger and larger creatures that could break the marker chasing fleeing people. As the organism gets larger, it will enfold the marker into the larger moon sized organism, but not until that point (when the markers are drawing everything up)
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After consuming pretty much all DS related media, i highly doubt the sigma grindset of the brethren moons ever goes dormant, they don't send the markers out to hit a planet that might be supportive of life just by chance, they have an atleast rough idea where to send them & where the markers could kickstart evolution. When they absorb a civilisation they get all their collective knowledge, including surveys for inhabitable planets, similar as NASA does it right now and the moons will use it as an indicator to where the next harvest might come from, this is an ongoing process as one civilisation gets devoured another one might just have reached their industrial age and another few have just mastered fire & agriculture while others have might just emerged from the lovest evolutionary form. This way when a civilisation is "ripe" to be harvested and start building markers because of their juicy overpopulation, the moons spread out trough the galaxy like a fishing net (their network) picks up on the convergence and swoops in calling its buddies for dinner & to welcome the new moon.
The size of the creatures seems dependant on the native life, in DS3 the standard Volantian necros are as big as brutes in DS1&2.
Remember how only certain people are given visions of marker creation like Isaac? The markers can see the mental makeup of the people it effects. The helpful and harmful visions aren't an inconsistency. The marker is telling people what they need to hear to manipulate them into doing what it wants. Even if those orders seem counterintuitive. How else would people who'd never (in their living moments) been exposed to the markers like people's dead relatives, know what Convergence is? Unless they were all Unitologists, which is exceedingly unlikely.
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This surprised me while I was watching stalker lore vids...I missed the notification I guess. Had to pause that shit, cause the markers interest me. more than any other aspect I think...I was a nerdy ass teenager but Ive always been a bit obsessed w Kubrick..(I see I was a pretentious little shit as well, having put this in writing) but 2001 space odyssey always had something else...something more existential and maybe even basal in some way for me perseonally...and this is entirely due to the Monolith scaring the fuck out of me. Even so, Imo its one of the most fascinating concepts to have ever been written about. Clarke is a fantastic author as well....if any of you guys are fascinated by the marker specifically, you'll probably love the book series too. Hugely different plot obviously but the monolith apparently can trigger evolution to advance very quickly, maybe instant in some cases...and its absolutely artificial in every sense...origins and intended use are initially unclear...but its very very threatening somehow. im rambling but check it out !
I've wondered why the hallucinations told them not to take it. Wouldn't the apparitions encourage them to bring the marker closer to them?
It may just be a way to get people to become overprotective of the Marker, thus increasing tension and mistrust within the colony. We see this in the prequel comic as one of the people guarding the Marker becomes aggressive when told they're being replaced, rants about how "they want to hurt it" and then murders their colleague.
Worth pointing out that the same hallucination that says not to let them take it also says that the Marker is salvation.
@@rubencastro811 that does make sense. Thank you.
The apparitions are really interesting. I wonder why some appear to help humans and others "help" humans. Are all types of apparitions produced/influenced by the marker, or are some actually spirits? So many questions😂😂
@@K3nji_S Well in Martyr it's specifically stated that the "good" apparitions are not from the Marker but rather a result of something in the human mind that is opposed to the Markers. This ties into a deleted audio log from the second game that talks about this "genetic defence mechanism" being a product of an ancient race that fought against the Markers and created life on Earth, but as was said in this video this particular storyline was abandoned. It seems like it was originally going to be just like the dynamic between the Forerunners, humans and the Flood in Halo.
@@rubencastro811 Sad. I really like the genetic defense tool. Such a grand idea. It definitely would have made the universe a bit more interesting
I think it may be a clue that ghosts may indeed be real in the Dead Space universe. To add to that, humanity is among many other creations of the Necromorphs' rivals who have been experimenting with psychic potential. I imagine the key to defeating the Necromorphs might involve fully unlocking humanity's psychic/spiritual potential, but in the process that may unleash other supernatural threats that are harder to stop. Maybe humanity's creators will decide to 'ascend' humanity once they prove their worthiness in defeating the Necromorphs, and we have a 'god AND devil are both evil' situation. I'm sure there's a way to shoehorn some sci-fi technobabble into rationalizing magic.
Think of it like this: You can tear a zombie to pieces, but you can't kill a ghost.
Your videos are a godsend to dead space fans
Thank you, it means a lot. I'm just spreading the influence further.
With the remake out, i wonder where their gonna take dead space. I feel the remake is also a reboot.
When I first saw dead space I was really young and scared.
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It’s said that for every 1 million Toyota Corollas a black marker unanimously comes into existence
I have no idea if anyone else heard it, but whenever i was in a store in deadspace 1 i always heard in the background a voice that said "You're insane"
A very well done video! its been a long time since i played through the games, and i never did get a clear grasp on how the makers worked, and the why(s) of the story. with the remake on the Horizon, i have found this franchise increasingly on my mind, and now, i know why it seemed like the story was inconsistent. it is. I actually recall when i played the first game going, O'! they are the flood", so i cant say they were wrong to feel that people would make that connection, but things would have been nicer if they had either been open about the soft rewrite, or fabricated a reason for it.
I have never been fan of "Aliens created us " stories, (just my personal opinion, i don't mean anything by it) and have to admit, when they started to talk about that in the games, i was REALLY hoping it was a red herring, but I have to admit, i think you outlined not only the in game evidence for it, but justified it well enough, that I have to say it all makes good sense.
When i first played through, i thought the fact that details didn't line up were planned, as a way of showing you how effectively the Markers can warp how people perceive reality. I didn't know however, about the two alien races being at war. Once you said it, I realized that, that must be the heart of the retcon, i wonder if the remake will start of without it, or include that kinda abandoned plot line.
I think Dead Space 3 really captured a sense of humanity's cosmic insignificance by doing the opposite of Prometheus' obnoxious anthropocentrism. In DS3 one among countless other Markers hit a random planet, and it was by coincidence that the creatures that would eventually enact the Marker's goal of awakening the Moons happened to be the distant descendants of some shrews that were around when the dinosaurs got nuked. The fate of Tau Volantis only underscores that they and humanity were just casualties in an incomprehensibly vast cycle of genocide.
Whereas Prometheus had humans made in God's image and strongly implies that God wants to kill humans because they lynched Jesus (and then revealing that the Xenomorphs were the product of a vengeful human robot), the Necromorphs are simply timeless, hungry and apathetic. The latter feels much more intimidating while the former plays into an overinflated sense of self-importance.
Man I can't wait for the dead space remake to come out, whenever that may be anyways lol.
Possibly march 2023 due to march being the release month of ds3
@@TheBritishRunner It was February. It could be either during winter or spring the release, if there aren't any delays.
Well if that's the case then the remake will come out when I turn 30.. Damn that's kind of hard for me to say lol, but hey least I'll start my thirties off with a good scary bang :D!
@@glb1993 I'll be 30 before then
@@TheBritishRunner well I certainly hope your 30th is a good one ^_^!
The recombinant lifeform doesn't need to be constantly mentioned as it is present in all games and midea, just for the sake of player, viewer, and reader not feeling board by a concept. if you pay attention, some of the lore and general background indicates that some form of the corruption/recombinant lifeform is constantly present if not directly mentioned. DS1 had the lifeform from experiments that were performed which allowed for the bacteria to be present for all DS1 sub midea. DS2 mentions the sludge, and as for the claim that the marker is doing it that is true but it is using the bacteria and corruption as its weapons. all of the sub media linked to DS2 and leading into DS3 submit to given concept that this is an Infection not an assimilation process. (the difference being assimilation would be taking leftover material and reconfiguring/repurposing without the need of bacteria or viruses it an Infection uses bacteria and viruses.)
hmm in fact i think the markers are very simillar to dark symetry from warzone universum. We dont know who create them, or what is that in core, both transform dead bodies to mutated necro soldiers, et cetera.
I think the parallel is pretty similar to the Resistance franchise, which has a ton in common with that cut log
What if the markers are the rogue AI of an advanced civilization?
How often do l make jokes about chemistry? Periodically.
Human instrumentality gone wrong, connecting this with evangelion should be fun
I don't think Vivian was sinisterly planning on having Cutner kill himself out the airlock. They were gonna put his ass on ice and most likely would've dug into his head like Stross or Isaac. I think she was trying to prevent that and release him of his suffering yknow?
True as most marker influence forces people to kill themselves in a way that preserves the biomass but this one made him take the airlock putting him in a place that he wouldn’t eventually be recombinated.
I would think that a celestial entity would make the first maker, to make others like itself, like the original brethren moon and then when that marker conquers that sector of the universe forms a brethren Moon then creates another marker from all it consumes when forming from the colony it devoured then launches the marker it created into another area to repeat. Since all of the brethren moons have a hive mind it’s uses the knowledge from one another too manipulate the control species to then make more markers like you see in dead space story to speed up the process of complete dominance.
It's crazy to think humans can just replicate the marker and it has the same properties as the *original* ? Like what are the red markers even made out of to make it work as the original just a metal inner body skeleton with another solid material to fill it in and the written symbols on it give it the power it needs to be like the original? Doesn't make sense
My guess with the "don't start convergence" is because the maker knows its not time yet. They may create a brethren comet instead of a intended moon. I could be wrong here
They don't say "don't start convergence" they say they need to stop the markers from committing to convergence. The marker in martyr wanted to bring about convergence however in the book there are apparitions or ghosts that aren't from the marker that tell you to leave it be. So if a apparition is telling to stop the marker then it's not being produced by the marker it's something else.
@@TheBritishRunner ooooohhhhh. No your right. There was a deleted audio log in dead space 2 suggesting we are the last line of defense against the markers.
@@blubberfeet5430 Yeah but the big picture is that the good apparitions and the deleted logs aren't canon.
@@TheBritishRunner sorry again. I'm sorry if I'm stupid and not understanding. So the marker has two effects? One thats helpful and a warning. And the other makes convergence and necros?
@@blubberfeet5430 No the marker doesn't help people and I don't think you are stupid, that's why I make these videos to try and bridge the gap in understanding these things
I kinda prefer the idea the recombinant lifeform doesn't exist, it makes the way the marker works more unnatural and mysterious. It does seem though that they went harder into bringing it back in the remake though so I think it is here to stay. But I guess they could also twist it into a secondary infection vector from the marker and not the primary method. Think the idea it only fully revives corpses when the marker releases an EMP and the recombinant is an infection vector to those consuming necro, with open wounds but still alive, etc.
I have the same exact views on dead space just never really knew how to voice but you did a great job
Eh i have always believed that it was both. And your dev quote kinda proves it you said that the marker broadcasts a signal that creates "necromorph tissue" and then leads to necromorph's it is in that that the necromorph recombination lives the marker when activated sends out a signal that makes living beings delusional or to see codes it inevitably kills these signal hosts and then the signal acts like a very specific radiation altering the DNA of the host turning it into the recombinant viral strain which then births necromorph out of what it currently occupies. I don't have a dog in the race but figured I'd throw my view in the ring great video by the by.
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Your speech pattern in this video is way better than the sprawl retrospective video. It's faster here.
It doesn't sound like your try for force some eriee tone.
This is easier listening
My healthpack says it may cause dementia.
Wow that thumbnail, haven't watched anything yet but I will, I watched after math btw
I see what you mean now by different studios, had no idea the animation style changed so much in the cartoon chunks, I still like the first one more but maybe I have to rewatch it again haha
That mic was horrible, either the volume was too high or it’s faulty because my ears hurt just listening to this. Really was interested on the topic too. 😵💫
Tho I can see your own takes I do also see alot of problems with it to. But like you said interpretations can differ from preson to preson. It is cool to talk about your talk with everyone else tho I do agree people can take things abit far with insulting and such.
I guess the Markers all have a kind of own character. Some want to be repaired because they are damaged, others want to be reunited with their socket, while others just bring madness. Maybe the Markers are kind of sentient. The brethren moons don’t have to be the final destination and the goal of the markers. Maybe they are just one outcome… one of multiple outcomes… probably the worst.
In martyr the marker was never damaged the scientists just theorised that was why the marker had stopped issuing out the pulse waves due to a piece of the monolith being missing. The marker in Aegis VII wanted to be placed on a pedestal to amplify it's properties to reach out to the master signal, the moons are the only end game to the markers I'm afraid as all of the lore points towards that, the lore on them would have been expanded on in the next installment if dead space 3 didn't flop.
@@TheBritishRunner but didn’t the Black Marker even warn humanity in a twisted way?
Humanity most of the time just don’t get it 😂. And putting the red marker on the socket actively stoped the outbreak, more or less, with all necromorphs transforming into puddles of goo.
It’s seems to me like the marker try to warn humanity but when they don’t listen, everything after that leads to the brethren moons.
@@kaischickentanz2874 Back in the backstory log the marker possessed a dormancy field once the pedestal was fitted to the marker, it amplified it's abilities so that broadened the field that immobilises the necromorphes but also broadened the signal allowing it to travel further outward into space. The black marker wasn't trying to warn humanity it was sending out visions as to distract and distress causing insomnia. In Martyr there are two different forces using apparitions one being the marker asking people to make it whole but the others that were warning the humans who were nearby to the marker was produced by the genetic mental defense system that was to protect them. Good apparitions and the recombinant life form was eventually removed as they don't appear after aftermath.
@@TheBritishRunner I wish the genetic defense was still canon cuz I think that's pretty damn cool.
@@serlistogiette4168 I do believe it is what is not canon is having the genetics imprinted onto us by aliens but rather developed over time naturally by being exposed to the marker.
I do agree with your original marker theory but I perfer the one we have now with it being basically like a way of reproduction/hunting
@Tiffany Ballard i mean if you're a lovecraftion monster who's done this like 7 times a few million years probably just feels like waiting for your hot-pocket to heat up in the microwave.
I'm rewatching this so is it possible the markers are actually benign. My reasoning they seem to warn in almost all recorded cases. Maybe the signal isn't meant to drive a species mad bit that it's so complicated that the majority can't handle it
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Ahhh yes this is the video I need to watch to understand the marker lore in Dead space. Because it gets a little confusing at times
The precursors didn't like having to deal with races some times because they didn't operate with a single mind. Not all the people were of the same opinions. How could you engineer a correction for this annoyance? Make a marker. I don't believe that the carnage we see was directly intended but the end game certainly is. Don't like individual people making different choices? Recombine them into a sentient moon. The corruption is effecting how it goes about it's business but not what it was built to do.
The halo flood survived,the forerunners created the markers as a defense against the necromorphs (basically the flood) as if you've watched the movies,the necromorphs don't attack in the presence of the marker. Just MY theory..my GAME THEORY! halo and dead space are same universe,different timelines. Idk I just made this up
The concept of Good & Evil, right and wrong. is NOT a matter of perspective, or a human invention. Nature have made you a moral compas, people refine that, and religion perfects it. For that reason it is commonly known as a human concept. So yeah, when a marker kills your species, turns them insane and reanimates them horrificly. That is pretty darn evil, yes by human definition, but you're human, so there is no reason to take the markers in defense. But seeing as they're machines or enchanted pillars, they're as evil as a toaster to which you put in your hand. Anti-human necro-romantic.
I could say the same for any other species that have hunted humans and others down before. We could call animals evil and they could think the same of us considering what we do, so if we or they aren't necessarily an evil in the world why would the marker be evil when acting in it's own nature. Its evil to the ones it pursues yes that is correct. But when looking at it from an objective standpoint no they aren't that was my point. I wasn't defending the markers or necromorphes I was simply pointing out a fact from a different perspective. Also good and evil is entirely about perspective, do you really think that people who are classed or were classed as evil really know they are no one ever thinks of themselves as the villain everyone always tells themselves the lie that they are good even when they aren't.
Is it possible since the moons are made up of different individuals driven insane wouldn't that mean all those voices are the former individuals in that state of insanity with a few of the intelligent voice getting through to more intelligent individuals. And all those minds are inside each new marker
Imagine if Awakened represented Isaac's mind getting absorbed by the newborn moon, turning him into the 'hivemind' of the moon created from the consumption of humanity. In an ironic way Isaac becomes the god of the religion he despises, just like Altman, and I can see him haunting Ellie in a similar way to Nicole.
Also, controversial as it may be, imagine if the final boss of the series was killing Isaac himself in a way to free him from the Necromorphs and killing the 'mind' behind the Necromorphs. At the very least it would be a heroic sacrifice that would undoubtedly turn him into the Messiah of a new religion.
I like that. Can also have it where by having to kill himself he can cause a massive psyionic blast that could kill the other moons. But to make it more dangerous it would have to be done when convergence is nearly completed to establish the psychic link.
Nothing makes me want to click off a video faster than an intro that boils down directly to drama response. On conversation and continuum that I don't know about and/or definitely don't care.
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What if. Dementia was natural defense of brain to counter the marker signal. But its happen because adaptation from human brain (not generated by alien). Like its trying to resist the signal to change the human.
Sorry but this has been confirmed by the developers that the marker causes dementia due to its signal. But nice one.
So. There is no self defense mechanism against the marker signal?
@@stukovalexis6139 There is but it's not what causes dementia.
I actually find the retcon still works with the frist game and 3. As we know now with 3 and you said yourself the Markers all have to be whole to start convergence unless a marker is destroyed completely it's still part of that chain. So being the Marker in 1 was legit cut apart and was in the middle of Convergence when it was stopped that means the Marker would want to make itself whole as if it wasn't then convergence wouldn't happen. This also explains why the Marker attacks him after he leaves. As because of him the Marker gets destroyed ended its connection to the chain failing its purpose. Isaac was no longer a tool it could use to fix itself but instead could be used to make more Infecting him with the Markers code.
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Even when it's spelled out for me I'm still confused.
Sub to channel after this video cause I love how you stated the facts and said it’s ok for people to be entitled to their own opinion but fuck off 🤣.
The chronological lore is also great btw. Very detailed and entertaining. Thank you!
The main reason why I am pushing the idea of the marker being made if biomass with the consciousness of other living species trapped inside is because it can explain why the marker drives some people insane to kill, while it manipulates more intelligent people to build more markers similar to how a cult manipulates people, but attempts to warn other people of the danger the marker brings. Because it's the consciousness of individuals breaking through to some people warning them. As the for the energy part scientists have proven the human body is constantly producing different styles of energy such as Heat Energy, Organic Electro magnetic pulses(brain sending signals to the body) and many kinds if chemical energy such as fast twitch muscles reacting, digestion etc. So would it make sense that an alien species that is scientificly advanced and has exhausted their natural resources would find a way to convert living beings into an unlimited power source, reduce their population but because of their desperation and haste created the markers but did fully understand what would happen.
Hmm, my understanding was the signal animates bacteria (power source) that cause the corruption. Also I think it is undeniable the red marker IS flawed relative to the black.
Considering the narrative lead / lore creator has already explained all of this, this video is pretty diluted.
There's not a lot up for interpretation in reference to the markers. I believe the exact quote is the marker produces "builders and fodder"
The intelligent portion of a host race is manipulated into producing more markers.
The fodder are just bodies, people driven insane to produce more bodies to help fuel convergence, which is unequivocally the formation of a brethren moon.
The apparitions that speak against the marker are only experienced by a small handful of the population described as a "white blood cell response" to the markers from a host species.
My guy your lore is all over the place and not accurate...
Unitology is the result of the builder side, this is why every species that is ever encountered the markers has a sect of their species that builds and worships markers...
With so much thought towards research and painstakingly theory-crafting about Dead Space, I wonder what 'TheBritishRunner' thinks of the biology-theory videos made RoanokeGaming?
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Roanoke's videos are good, I used to watch them before making dead space videos.
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You mentioned another RUclipsr who criticized you it couldn't be Roanoke gaming would it? If so that sucks because I like you both you guys put out great videos
I didn't say youtuber at all I said individual, I meant more a less another viewer who is twisting things to suit himself.
@@nihilityjoey Maybe you should stop before making a fool of yourself again dude. I didn't even mention you in this video or this comment thread and here you are, you obviously know of what you are doing. You act as if you are 100% right and if anything says otherwise you through it out of the window and say it's wrong even if it came from the developers and the writing teams. Perhaps you should just go for a walk. As I said I'm done trying to convince you, go ahead and make your videos but I'm done talking about this with you.
@@TheBritishRunner oh my bad I misheard lol but keep up the awesome work despite the wrong thinkers
0:42 "I also stated i did not read the books" Not that the books matter in the slightest. They are all pretty much fanfiction written by multiple different authors, non of whom had anything thing to do with the story development of the games. With that said its hard to make sense of a lot the DS lore because its been retconned every single game. Which if you read up the history of EA Redwood Shores / Visercal it becomes slightly more obvious why.
There's definitely a lore inconsistency in regards to the markers:
To me it is still unclear if those artifacts alone make necromorphs like in the second movie or if an infection needs a specific source like portrayed in dead space 1 (infection caused by setting free the hive mind due to mining on eagis7).
The remake definitely has to make things more clear.
So you say the developers who say the marker reanimates corpses into necromorphs are wrong???
@@nihilityjoey So because one thing was incorrect slightly the entire source is to be deemed to be fake? What about the other two sources that I showed you? Let me guess they were to be ignored aswell because not in line with your interpretation. Your recombinant theory is just a theory nothing more as there are logs that detail the marker reanimating the corpses into necromorphs and none that state otherwise in the sequel games. The fact you choose to ignore them is startling lol.
@@nihilityjoey Your entire comment is not worth reading after seeing "You are claiming stuff, yet not providing proof" maybe watch the video for the proof where I actually tell you where you can find the logs I reference as I do state which is which. The only reason you can't find the logs that tell you these things is because you ignore them along with anything that proves you wrong instead you constantly reach out to grab things that aren't there or twist them to suit your narrative. Yes some of the things you state are factual but the rest aren't.
@@nihilityjoey You say dead space 3 puts the recombinant life form back into the series but yet there's no mention of it. There is no evidence after dead space salvage that suggests a life form recombinates the dead into necromorphs. Hell I'd even suggest that little theory you have there is based off of thinking the corruption and recombinant life form is the same entity. Which hasn't been confirmed. I'm going off of what is mentioned in the media. And the media doesn't talk about what you think, after salvage. You have your opinions but yet no source material in salvage or afterwards that suggests what you say is correct. As I certainly didn't see any lines of dialogue or logs or quotes in the book about this life form.
@@nihilityjoey Honestly Joey, what kind of Unitologist pills did you took to continue to act like this? It is already obvious that British doesn't care one cent about what you're even saying to this point and other frequent viewers of this channel (including myself). I respect the fact that you care about the game but jesus christ dude, just let it go and stop making yourself look like the bad guy and honestly to this point you're like a attention-seeker (even if you're right or not, you've lost your credibility thanks to your behaviour). I'll say this for the last, you got a channel yourself so then focus all this energy and create your videos with your lore theories and/or canon stuff on your own channel. If he wanted to be harsh with you he would have called out your name in the recent videos but at least he had the decency to maintain you anonymously.
why can't the markers do both? say the markers have a microorganism that it spreads out via the air, water etc. and it does that until it detects something from corpses withing x area around it then it starts releasing the signal for the microorganism to grow x forms to spread and produce more of the microorganisms with infectors, slashers, the bio growth, etc. like slashers to make corpses and infectors to make more slashers, etc. i mean if it was canon at one point it still canon otherwise people would not be arguing over it as much.... maybe. but everyone has their own opinion.
Because the developers and writers confirmed it already sources are in the description along with that the logs don't talk about both scenarios being factual they instead point to the marker as the root cause for everything.
@@TheBritishRunner ah well. i can see why they do not want it being close to halo and the flood as you said but still. to me does not make a lot of of sense but it is their game so they can do what they like and i still play the game so. Keep up all your hard work sir. :)
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Here’s a thought maybe they shouldn’t rewrite their bloody universe at the beginning of their next game it’s annoying when I’m being told one thing by the devs another by the books and yet another by the movies then a smattering of oh you thought you knew when I start the second game just stick with one dang idea instead of snorting speed and rewriting it again
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What drives me nuts is what EA did at the end of the series. If you wanted the “true” ending you would had to buy the Marker Edition of Dead Space 3. It was $120 and only could be pre-ordered at EA website and no where else.
It contained:
A 6’ tall mini Marker
A small 8oz reusable water bottle that looked like a small Health pack
A book with concept art
2 posters
A Dead Space style note book
Dead Space game
10 different pre order bonus equipments
Lastly Early access to all 4 DLC
(1) Awakened
(2) Severed Moon
(3) Freedom of Madness
(4) Fermi Paradox
Once EA got annoyed that it could not make money from micro transactions because of fans feedback, they decided not to release all DLC.
Also if you try to play the other DLC’s on Live Streaming system, EA will sent notices to your accounts or even sue you.
What’s worse is the details are banned from non EA companies and contents providers. Basically the Dead Space Wikipedia pages are censored for “copyright” issues.
I am very happy that one of my friends purchased this and other games highest cost editions.
Did you know the Europeans legendary edition of Residents Evil Village came with a working Type writer from the game instead of a giant Chris statue?