Shaq's last line is hella underrated. Its his mentality of being true to himself as a person first and the basketball player second, is what stopped him from being the GOAT. And he still made a top 50 in 96 barely touching his potential.
Shaq is definitely not a goat. Why? Because he relied on his size and weight. Steph Curry is not tall or heavy, heck he isn't even that strong, but he's a pure basketball talent. The same goes for Luka Doncic, Kobe Bryant, Drazen Petrovic, MJ.
@@ha-qg2ug that is the point, he put half the work other superstars do to have his numbers. his physique was perfect before he put all that weight. hell, just making free throws would make his scoring unstoppable.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -There are several players with 14 achievements -Curry only has 13 achievements -Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@@fabolousjada5070 facts bro people fail to realize nba is a buisness for entertainment at the end of the day . Theres even been some ref that came out and said that they didnt call jordan for certain stuff becuae thats not what the league wanted . These people blind even i could admit that lebrons 2016 ring aint even legit like when you the league wanted to see that mj vs lebron comparison get even spicier so they gave lebron the best ring of alltime
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -There are several players with 14 achievements -Curry only has 13 achievements -Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
Lol Shaq is not humble about his ego/status, but he does help a lot of people out in need and does shows like this, so he can be considered a nice guy.
I believe Shaq once said that nobody ever feared Lebron, even when he was at his very peak. That struck me as true. Competitors like Pierce, Kobe, Durant, etc. never seemed to mind competing against him, whereas with Jordan I think there was more of a fear-factor because he was such a killer.
1) Michael didn't kill anybody 2) People weren't saying they feared MJ when he was playing. Shaq amost put MJ in hospital, 20 guys tougher than MJ: Shaq, Vernon Maxwell, ron artest, charles barkley, charles oakley, letrell sprewell, karl malone, alonso morning, james worthy, ben simmons, gary payton, allen iverson, david west, kareem abdul jabbar (black belt), rasheed wallace, kevin martin, bill lambier, robert parish, chris webber, patrick ewing (really any PF or C of his day)
"I just want people to say that I was a nice guy " -Shaquille O'Neal I waited on Shaq around 04 ' in Portland Oregon (served him lunch )and can honestly say that he is in fact a very nice guy.
Yeah I’ve read countless stories that Shaq is really nice to people in service positions. It’s one of the most telling signs if someone is a good person or not.
People were terrified of Mike. You didn’t want to cross him or make him angry. All the big stars knew it early and would warn the younger guys, “Don’t even look him in the eyes.” They were serious. And what you realized over time was that Mike was usually playing around 80-90%. Just enough to win and make things interesting, that’s how bored he got with the game. But when someone said something sideways about him in the media or his team lost a game they weren’t expected to lose, you knew 100% Mike was about to come out to remind everyone who the king was. And that’s when he’d thoroughly embarrass people and make the game look more like a clinic between a pro and amateur. People forget that when he came back with the Wizards, he’d been retired for three years and was 30lbs overweight. Broke his ribs in the lead-up to the season. Wizards were the worst team in the league with the worst roster I’ve ever seen in my life. Before he blew out his meniscus, Wizards were on pace to get a top 3 seed in the East and MJ was averaging 30ppg in the month before the injury at 39. Again, this was not a team of stars or aging stars, they were TRASH. Only addition was retired, “I just decided to get back in basketball shape after 3 years off”, dirt old MJ. That’s how great he was. There will never be another player like him because people will only ever compare that player to MJ.
@@Rookie_Mode2023 no it didnt. gilbert arenas made them a playoff team not jordans old ass. mj was 38 and 39 top pushing his age back to give him props. lebron was avg 30 at 37 dropping 50 points like its easy
@@RobinXlone Jordan retire when he was 40. Played between 38 and 40 on the wizzards. Actualy he made 40 or more 3 times if im not wrong when he was 40 years old and its the only player that did it. Thats not something easy to do. Lebron looking his actual shape might do it too
Talent aside, MJ was mentally different. Sets him apart from everyone. Kobe came closest as a competitor. and that says a lot only one other player ever did. Levels
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -There are several players with 14 achievements -Curry only has 13 achievements -Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@@FreedomFighter2112 Don't forget Michael spent 3 years in college, broke his foot in his 2nd year in the NBA and missed most of the season, and retired for 2 seasons in his prime. Otherwise, he'd be #1 in scoring by a wide margin over Kareem and nobody would be talking about Lebron surpassing Kareem.
Respectful? This is the guy who is petty about his "superman title" being used by Dwight. The same guy who wrecked javale McGee's reputation for laughs.
Na you not a fan if you knew you would know Jordan NEVER FACED the stars that Lebron faced since 17 years of age. You would know Jordan played against plumbers and the rules was NO ZONE DEFENSE AND NO DOUBLE TEAMING so that was easy asf for Jordan lol imagine Lebron with no double team or zone haha DOMINATION
Young people really don’t understand. When Shaq said he was terrified of Jordan he meant it. All timers were afraid of not just losing but being embarrassed when they played against that guy.
@NewRim Hoops no one is afraid of Lebron James guy. The narrative that players build super teams to stop him is false. Players need super teams because Lebron recruits other all stars to join him.
@@Choppp_3 you answered your own question Wayne. The Warriors formed a superteam to beat the Cavs. Not Lebron. Once Lebron had no more use for hall of famers Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh he jumped ship to play with a younger group of potential hall of famers in Kyrie and Love.
People were afraid of Jordan more because of his mentality than just his talent. Jordan was the type who relished putting his foot on your throat. Lebron is very talented but he doesn't have that same mentality
Granted after 2011 Finals is when LeBron became the peak version of himself and Shaq retired in 2011, and Shaq played the veteran most refined version of MJ. Steve Kerr played with MJ and coached against LeBron and has always said he thinks LeBron is at least neck and neck, even when KD was on the team. Players opinions aren't necessarily the gospel. Don't need to be a filmmaker to recognize a good movie , don't need a front row seat as a teammate or opponent to have an accurate evaluation on a player.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -There are several players with 14 achievements -Curry only has 13 achievements -Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@@juju-vl7oj - you do realise Kerr is the most diplomatic person and would not open his mouth knowing it will cause an uproar. Him saying that is sitting on the fence so that he can’t be held to something. Anyone with 1/4 of a brain would know MJ is greater and it’s not even “neck and neck”
Jordan, Kareem, Russle, magic, Kobe all won at least 5 chips in a 10 year span with the same team. Lebron chose to bounce around and unbalance the east in his favor. He’s 4-6 in the finals with different teams. As a goat you must help create a dynasty, seems like he helped his legacy more than anything
Difference is they where dynasty, lebron was the underdog and coming back from 3 to 1 to the greatest team ever that says a lot ,year 20 and still top 5 , potentially beating all time scoring stats and finishing top 5 and most of all categories means a lot
Montana is 4 and 0 ; is he better than Brady ? Pele has 3 world cup is he better than lio messi f y'all talk about Put some respect on bron name stop hating on greatness last time I check NBA is team sport just cuz u having won more doesn't mean u better than me.
@@danyfernandez9888 lebron was on a strong Miami team and failed to win two more rings, had he won them then this Goat argument for him would make sense but he is no Goat. Not better than MJ, Magic Wilt Kobe or Kareem, had Shaq taken care of himself he would be better than Lebron by miles. Had Malone had better players he would have a better legacy than Lebron because I see Comparisons of Karl and Lebron. Just because Espn Shannon and Nick are obsessed about Lebron doesn't mean I have too. No hate, he is a great player top 10 but don't disrespect the ones before by talking shit.
@@adamsamuel8593 u clear don't have knowledge of NBA mj competition is not compared to lebron competition bron went against 5 hall of famer in one team , miami lost to spurs dynasty team that won 5 championship, the greatest power In NBA history, only final that u can argue is against Dallas and Dallas was no scrub they won 60 game that season and swept Kobe the defending championship team la Lakers so wasur argument stop sucking mj nuts
If you truely are the GOAT, you just know without thinking too much. For Lebron, it feels like you always have to justify how he could be the GOAT. From his stats to his finals records, his teammates, competitions and so on. When you watched Jordan, you just knew you were watching something great. The championships, scoring titles, all of those are just by-product of him simply dominating. That is also why people already crowned him as the GOAT during first three-peat. His second three-peat just cemented the fact.
When I watched Jordan everyone else seemed slow lol you know why ? Cause there was NO DOUBLE TEAM OR ZONE DEFENSE ALLOWED back then lol cause ME JORDAN hates zone from his own mouth .. Kobe and Lebron played thru double and triple teams their whole career in my opinion they are better than Jordan and faced way better opponents like iverson , McGrady, arenas early, curry, durant, THE MIGHTY SPURS LED BY THE GOAT COACH POP .. Foh Jordan ain’t face nothing like that and magic was old with aids so nope and Larry had back problems and was on his way out in the 80s man couldn’t beat those two while Lebron at like 23 went to the finals with a BUM team lol can’t compare son Lebron is the greatest
Also Bird and Magic, who were the big dogs before him both acknowledged MJ's GOAT status, that's as if Kobe and Timmy D called LBJ their GOAT, which they never did.
Omg the whole fear thing is the literal PEAK of subjective. No one gives a fuck if people were more scared of mj it’s about who was the better basketball player. Genuinely losing reasons to respect the mj argument with how dominant lebron has been.
@@Chris-lu4vm people act like no one ever feared Lebron LOL. Like if he hasn’t single handly beaten teams by himself. If people there hasn’t been times teams have feared Lebron just as much as Mj than you just in denial
@@Chris-lu4vm they feared MJ for a reason. Watching MJ play was like watching a Floyd Mayweather fight. You knew he was going to win. You don’t look at Lebron with that aura of invincibility, because it just isn’t there.
@@saguirre760 Actually, watching the BULLS play was like that, not just MJ. MJ was put in a position to win with other hall-of-famers. Lebron didn't have an "aura of invincibility" because he was carrying no-names to the Finals and losing to a 73-9 team that KD joined
It always impresses me how elegant and articulate Big Shaq is He's actually kind of brilliant I believe and he does it in such a low key way. Pretty damn inspirational tbh
They were looking for Shaq original answer from years ago so it can go viral... shaq said scottie was a bum... shaq said scottie is water and shaq is the bridge... WAS HILARIOUS... but this an answer that displays maturity
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -There are several players with 14 achievements -Curry only has 13 achievements -Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
I've watched nearly every game of all 3 eras (Lebron/Curry era, Kobe/Duncan/Shaq era, Jordan/Bulls era, tail end of Bird/Magic era). It's not a conversation at this point. Lebron is his own player (like a roided out Magic), but Jordan is the definition of GOAT basketball player. Like it's so easy if you just watched all these guys. The differences, there's no argument, Jordan HAD a better competitive nature about him to win (this is no argument anymore), he HAD better moments (the 2-3 comeback was a team comeback, it was lead by both Kyrie and Lebron, Jordan's end on the Jazz was literally all him stealing the ball - hitting the gamewinner - layup prior - etc). Jordan had a perfect legacy/impact/insane stats/etc all before the 3pt takeover too (which he could have done if it was normalized then). I love Kobe, but for as great as he was, and as much of a replica of Jordan he was, he didn't have quite the discipline Jordan had on the court. That was the downside of the 2000s superstars, the 'heat check' era you could call it, while it was fun to watch (Vince Carter is actually closer to Jordan IMO in terms of skill/talent/movement). Kobe is damn near as legendary as Jordan honestly, he was that guy for us, but he didn't have that same discipline to make his team win AS WELL. You did not see Jordan chucking shots unless he truly felt it would be a winning move. He was locked in, never seen anything like it. Lebron can't sniff that type of instinct Jordan had, but his dominating size/talent/efficiency gets him up there alone. Different players, hard to compare. Jordan is basketball though.
I remember players used to literally be afraid to play against Jordan, Bird, Kobe and Shaq. I cant think of anyone past or present even remotely scared of playing against Lebron.
@@ryanpappenfuss You acting like you know them better than themselves. What you want them to think or what you interpret doesn't represent what they are thinking.
@@Ayou0811 and by the same token, you’re acting like everyone tells the truth all the time (no pun intended on Pierce’s nickname haha). Sometimes perception is reality, and it sure looked like the C’s were scared of lebron, hence they signed Allen and Garnett. You’re right, this is all my perception, maybe they weren’t “scared” of lebron - but it sure seemed like it.
I love how they snuck the last question about Pippin in the end and Shaq giving the diplomatic answer when we all know he's thinking the same thing as everyone else
I mean Pippen ofc isn't the GOAT, but Pippen gets a lot of disrespect on the internet by kids who never even saw him play. Pippen was the best sf of the whole 90s, he's up there with LBJ, Bird, Kawhi, KD, Dr J. as one of the greatest sf ever and he was a super valuable player to win chips with.
@@ursula3438 Pippen is the best SF of the 90s by default. Pippen was the best SF in the league for about 3yrs. I don't think people actually disrespect or underrate Pippen he usually properly rated, sometimes even overrated.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 He's definitely overrated. -You have people trying to call Pippen the leader of the Bulls, Pippen included. -You have people giving Pippen credit for the Bulls making it out of the 1st round, when Pippen was on the bench. -You have people trying to call him the top 5, if not top 2, best player of the 1990s. Over people like Hakeem, David Robinson, Barkley, Karl Malone, etc.
@@x-man9473 The truth is if those people actually had to pick between Pippen and those guys to be their teams franchise player or to pair them up with Jordan they wouldn't even pick Pippen. It's a weak tactic that many fan bases have tried to use to underrate Jordan. I saw one guy recently claim Pippen was arguably better than Magic LMAO
I'm from COLUMBUS,OH ,and I KNOW it's MIKE!!!!! The people who say LeBron is the G.O.A.T., DON'T know MIKE at ALL! If they KNEW about some MIKE, there would be NO TALK of LEBRON. I've seen them BOTH play. I was born in 82" so I was BLESSED to be able to grow up in such an era that had MICHAEL JORDAN! The STYLE of the two is ENOUGH for me to ALWAYS pick MIKE. LeBron has been caught LACKING TOO MANY times. NO JOKE'S we're EVER made about Jordan or the way he played or the PASSION he played with. LeBron,on the other hand, HAS! His DEFENSE has NEVER been ELITE. His PASSION for the game HAS been questioned. NOBODY EVER said " give Mike a dollar,and he'll give YOU 3 quarter's ". There was a time when LeBron STUNK so bad, his own FAN'S we're CLOWNING him???? People can ACT and PRETEND like LeBron is WORTHY of ROCKIN the G.O.A.T.'s number but, JORDAN was FEARED... Game Over! Jordan in his prime would have EMBARRASSED LeBron EVERY time! STOP DREAMING LBJ fans, your boy is almost 40 and STILL ain't had ONE three Peat??????? Should I continue??? I don't think I should!
The issue is that people make it seem likes its horrible being #2 or #3 greatest play EVER. MJ for me is 1 and LeBron is 2, but that doesn't degrade what LBJ has done in his career. Even to be mentioned at top 5 of all time is an accomplishment in its own.
@@youlostthedebate Jordan has the most accomplishments and the majority of people think he’s the goat and Lebron is still chasing what Jordan did in 15 years going into his 20 and let’s not forget about the 6 finals losses so why should he be number 1 over Jordan?
@@puncho8799 Only Jordan fans think Lebron is "still chasing" Jordan because you only look at championships without any context. Lebron fans know that he has already cemented his legacy as the greatest and is only building on it
So Logan said he supported Bron over Jordan because he's from Cleveland. That just means you're biased. We talking about the best player and legacy not no hometown hero shit.
@@raya4907 stop it Jordan played in a weak ass era where double or triple team wasn’t allowed neither was zone defense 😂😂😂😂😂 Foh Lebron curry Durant and Kobe would have like 10 rings in a era like that
@@fabolousjada5070 lol bigs were allowed to camp the lane and there was handchecking… there is literally no defense in the current era. Lebron doesn’t even play D anymore 😅
@@fabolousjada5070 Weak era? Bro, I can tell you didn't grow up in the 90's. It was the era of hand-checking and playing physical. Plus teams would gang up on Jordan regularly. Numbers was the only real way they could stop him. In today's pansy league of flopping and crying you sneeze on the offense and it's a foul. Jordan had to regularly penetrate 7 foot giants who were camping in the paint to get his signature dunk. Nowadays the lane can be more open than an expressway. But go ahead and keep telling lies to bring Jordan down.
A player's stats are a big part of the story but not the whole story. It's also how a player affects the flow of the game with the intangibles, energy, teamwork, hustle, defense and offensive movements, smart decisions, etc.that elevate a good player to really good to great status. Basically, just looking at a stat sheet doesn't show the whole picture.
I don’t think anyone could ever pass MJ as the goat. The legacy that guy built, he was the chosen one. The air Jordan shoes, Bird calling him god, knight calling him pre-nba the best basketball player ever, you could visually see the guy was way different than everyone else, the three peat retire then come back another three peat all without a dominant big man. How polished and charismatic the guy was, everything the guy did was cool. The score steal score to lock down the 6th chip. The guys legacy is like a Zelda adventure video game. Not just the greatest basketball player but the greatest athlete ever.
We all just watched them play. But this man has literally played with them so I think the person who actually played with/against them should have more validity, because the way he is talking about them it's not coming from a place of hate for either of the two.
Bruh... Shaq played against Jordan, and WITH LeBron on the same team! Yet still chooses Jordan over LeBron... that speaks volumes. Shaq is also the last player to beat Jordan in a playoff series. How on earth could even try to argue against him. 🤔🤦
Jordan did what he did in a short time. Jordan could have played longer he could have scored more points than anyone. And more championship's. 💥💥✝️🕊️🇺🇸
Why would a player who played in the 90’s, respect Lebron? He’s a whiner, his FT and outside 3’ FG percentages go from not good to terrible. He can’t make a layup without travelling and rarely attempts a dunk that might be contested. He plays in an era with defensive 3 second rules, not hand checking and where the breeze of a passing opponent’s hand is enough to get a foul called.
Bcs Shaq,David Robinson,Pippen,Hakeem,Kobe,Tmac,Barkley,Penny etc does. And you are a fucking oldhaed with bullshit talking. He‘s a great 3 Shooter,great postmove plays,Crazy IQ,Unappreciated blocker/defence,great finisher,fast,midrange etc. I guess you only watch his fail Highlight‘s to discredit his greatness & using his 4 Rings as a justify to trashdown him. And you def forget he‘s a player from the early 00s were he played against players from the 90s. So let me tell you a question: „Don’t you think that a Giannis can match most of these Centers from 90s (Maybe until Hakeem)? Or do you discredit him tho bcs he‘s great?“
@@InfamousTerry4 I use to be, before the media and fans like you turned the NBA into a league that calls a whining snowflake who can't make a simple layup without travelling, a superstar. These days I'd rather watch the WNBA and it's worse than watching a bunch of 4 year olds play hockey.
Watching many highlights of both Jordan gets the edge from me. And the watching how rough they played, Jordan dunking on whole teams as they all hold on to his body lol
Shaq will be remembered for more than being a nice guy. He’s also super funny, one of the best basketball players ever, has legendary generosity and an immortal meme template.
He went a few years where all you had to do if you wanted to win was give the ball to him every possession. He was the only player you watched every possession, no one else mattered.
I think regardless of your opinion on who’s better, one point that no one can disagree with is MJs influence globally in terms of bringing basketball to new continents. You can argue that a lot of the international talent we have today stems from him
I love how shaq is like im jealous of him (for going to pass Kareem' record this season)... it's like well you shouldve worked harder. It's like even Kobe said himself "if he had my drive... shaq wouldve been the goat"
Has society ever deemed an athlete with a losing record The Greatest in their respective sport? A 4-6 record in final series without even spearheading a dynasty shouldn’t even make this a debate. There was a level of fear and a feeling that no matter what happens, the Bulls we’re going to win when Jordan was at his peak. They never went on a 3 game losing streak when he was on the court for 8 years. Lebron’s most memorable moment was a chase down block with a 1:50 left in a tie game. He hasn’t had his “Flu game” or “last shot” moment. The only thing Lebron can do to eclipse Jordan is go on a 3 year run where he destroys the competition like 96-98 and 3 peats. He’ll have 7 like Brady as well as the total stats. And He’d have finally given one franchise a dynasty & have more rings-as the bonafide superstar - than any player since Russell.
You disregard the fact that MJ was the favorite in every one of his championships. The only championship series Lebrons teams were favorited in that he lost was the Mavs series. People can make fun of Lebron for that loss all they want, but MJs bulls aren’t beating any of this Warriors teams in the finals. MJ also played against weaker competition his entire career
@@fogtowng atleast mj won against underdogs because he was the dynasty himself...while lebron he always lose against underdogs...like dallas and 2014 old spurs..dont tell me those old teams have players that can match up lebron and wade athleticism.. 😆
Level of fear ? Yeah like them 6 playoffs that Jordan ain’t make through Fohhhh Larry and magic i their prime was never scared of shorty lol … they had to hand over the keys cause the ratings was down cause nfl and the Yankees was number 1 and 2 youngin and Jordan played in a era WITH NO DOUBLE TEAM OR TRIPLE TEAM AND NO ZONE DEFENSE man is the most overrated ever and in this era he wouldn’t have those rings he got now
@@fabolousjada5070 jordan played zone defense in college and he still great 😂😆the zone defense in 2000s against 40 years old mj with injured knees still outscoring tmac, dirk, allen, nash, kidd 😆😂 imagine if that was the athletic version of mj 😆 that zone defense was nothing for the goat...
I was a pup watching MJ go over the Suns and Jazz. I understood MJ wasn't losing and that he was widely accept as the greatest of all times. Also growing up to parents who loved Magic and Kareem, so I was raised to be a historian, Recognizing Bill and Wilt as well. Dr. J who was the original man! So when Kobe came on to the scene, I was invested. This was my guy to watch and follow and make history. He didn't disappoint. Jordan was him, and Kobe was the guy who had the gull to attempt to be greater. His dedication to the game was so artistic and poetic for me. Kobe captured my 8 year old self while wearing the number 8. He had a fro, I had a fro. His story, one of being misunderstood. He just resonated with me. Out of his 20 seasons, I probably missed 10-12 games total (not including his forst couple of years before I knew what was happening and NBA league pass wasn't out.) So for me, I recognize him as the best. Nobody ever was able to hold me like that and entertain through sports. Then LeBron came. I had his first signature shoe and that's when I started to out hoop me friends and classmates. LeBron felt closer to my age and captured a space in my heart as well. I've seen a good majority of his games as well. Half the time pulling for him to be great, the other half pulling for him to not be as great as Kobe for trash talking sake. LeBron just continued to check every box imaginable and is Mr. Basketball. I mean he's seen every situation inside of basketball and has succeeded. Without question the 3 greatest players I ever seen, and I understand that who someone says is the greatest of them all is likely going to be the guy they came up following. It's the natural process of a fan. No answer is wrong. Only a fool would not appreciate the greatness of these men. MJ, Kobe, and LeBron. Them guys!
@@fezzik7619Your right to keep it really real i only seen Mjs 1997-1998 run, i never seen his prime prime or as they say early Mj, i grew up in the late 90s 2000s, A.I, vince carter, tim dunkin, shaq, KOBE, ming,etc etc.I remember when Lebron was up in coming, man. but mainly the late 90s early 2000s time period is what made NBA special. MTV,PS1,PS2,N64, movies, tv shows, music ahhhhh man. life was so good.
I had relatives in eastern europe couldn't get over how great Michael Jordan was. No one can ever be the level of star he was. He brought people into basketball who left when he retired. He was more than just great in his own sport. That's something no one else really has, although Shaq did mention Dr J, and Dr J was that kind of guy in the 1970s sort of, the progenitor of the flashy dunk ball.
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Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -There are several players with 14 achievements -Curry only has 13 achievements -Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
I’m saying what about Kobe Bean bruh Like why ppl trynna skip my boy like he didn’t light up James . Idc about stats, Lebron couldn’t handle Kobe! What do you think MJ would’ve done to him?!? Worse ass beaten than Kobe did him. For sure. Accolades? If Mj played 18-20 seasons with the Bulls without retiring once, there would be no question because he would’ve shatter so many records it really would’ve have been fair. Kareem record would’ve been shattered so bad that not even Lebron passing Kareem would’ve ever gotten close to MJ’s new set record. Probably would’ve won chips all through 2002 or 3 best case scenario go against Kobe n Shaq n beat them. Kings all the way to 2004 perhaps. Count how many seasons he played with the Bulls. Now imagine 19 or 20. Yeah not fair I know. Kobe is up there n Lebron is not passed Kobe. He never will. No one is disputing the great physical ability this man has. He’s just not cut out the same fabric as MJ or Bird or Kobe. Hell Bird can easily be Best over Mj. He ain’t but real ones know. You really can’t take Russell or Wilt that fast but Russell is the only one that would be up there but MJ is goat The end
Fun fact, what Shaq (who is an awesome MF btw) fails to mention was that, yes he was on the last team that beat MJ in a playoff series winning 2-4, however, he doesn’t mention that it was the year MJ came back late in the season after playing a year and a half of professional baseball. Lol he also doesn’t mention how in very next season he met up with MJ in the playoffs again but this time Shaq left the series in a dust pan.
If you saw Jordan play you know why he is considered "The GOAT" When the game was on the line Jordan Delivered more than anybody ever! He was automatic on the Block and Totally unstoppable.
Shaq probably the most feared giant in the pain was terrified of the 🐐. All time greats are all time greats but when they talk about MJ it’s like they were talking about a mythical creature. Everyone feared MJ!!’
MJ had more first defensive team selections in his first 7 seasons than Bron in 20...so in a 2way sport, Bron is not even top 20 defensively while MJ is tied for 1st place for THE MOST 1st team selections on D and all other players even close played many more years...just amazing ...so MJ has the MOST defensive accolades and also the highest scoring average ALL TIME and only Bill Russel who played in an era with less than 10 NBA teams has more rings. MJ is the GOAT- period
I never got to see MJ in his prime years. Coz I started watching Nba in the early 2000 and of course I watched Kobe and Lebron. But I still think MJ is the GOAT. But my favorite player of all time is A.I
People dont even know when you watch basketball these days its just basketball. Growing up and playing as the bulls in a video game,or seeing that logo vome on screen before a game you knew. And got goosebumps.
@IMPAULSIVE Clips these small clip videos are genius and I'm sure you're having these pod casts in different languages, having this pod translated in different languages have probably given lots different exposure worldwide, the growth on this channel is crazy!
The point thing doesn’t mean that much because it has to do with longevity. The longer you play the more points your score. At this point LJ has played 1373 games scored 37237 points for a avg of 27ppg. MJ only played 1072 games at 32293 or 30ppg avg. if MJ played those 301 games at LJ current avg of 27ppg he’d have over 40400 points. A better way to look at it is LJ first 15 years VS MJ’s 15. MJ has him by over 1200 points.
If you look at the stats, review the tape, and dig really deep, it's very, VERY difficult to argue that anyone is better than Jordan. But I'll forever be a Kobe G. He's my number one forever.
Shaq played with or against the Jordans, the Barkleys, the Hakeems, the Malones, the Duncans but he played with and against the Lebrons, the Curry;s also. He does have some insight. Shaq came in right after Kareem retired, so it is not like we are taking a 100 years ago.
Let me put it this way. I don’t think anybody will replace MJ as the GOAT *for me* personally. But I can never begrudge someone for having Lebron as theirs. Same with Kareem and same with Russel. There are a few others I wouldn’t necessarily hate you for choosing but I just don’t personally think they have a reasonable enough argument. Lebron, Kareem, Russel, they all have enough of an argument that I can’t say you’re crazy for choosing them, but they just don’t have the arguments that I’m looking for to put them above Jordan.
@@Tom_Ciccone lebron's "skills" didnt lead the league in scoring 10 times, lost the finals 6 times, and more. MJ is the only player who made it to the finals and never lost. Thats how goated he is
I'm from another country and another time zone. People here used to get up in the middle of the night just so they can watch MJ and a lot of them didn't even follow NBA or even basketball. LeBron is a great player but MJ was/is a world phenomenon.
In NBA history, 0 championships have been won with longevity stats. ** 30.1 ppg (highest all time) 6.2 rbg 5.3 apg 2.3 steals per game (4th all time) 0.8 blocks per game 83.5% ft 56.9% ts 27.9 PER (highest all time) 0.251 ws/48 (highest all time) 6-0 in the finals 6 FMVP (most all time) 5 MVP (tied for 2nd all time) 1 DPOY 10x all nba first team All nba second team (injury year) 9x nba all defensive first team (tied for first all time) Rookie of the year 10x scoring titles (most all time) 3x steals leader (tied for 2nd all time) ***PLAYOFFS*** 33.4 ppg (highest all time) 6.4 rpg 5.7 apg 2.1 steals per game (6th all time) 0.9 blocks per game 82.8% ft 56.8% ts 28.6 PER (highest all time) 0.255 ws/48 (highest all time) ** 27.1 ppg 7.5 rpg 7.4 apg 1.6 steals per game 0.8 blocks per game 73.4% ft 58.8% ts 27.3 PER 0.230 ws/48 4-6 in the finals 4 FMVP 4 mvp 13x all nba first team 2x all nba second team All nba third team (injury) 5x nba all defensive first team Nba all defensive second team Rookie of the year Scoring champion Assists leader ***PLAYOFFS*** 28.7 ppg 9 rpg 7.2 apg 1.7 steals per game 0.9 blocks per game 74% ft 58.3% ts 28.2 PER 0.242 ws/48
The MJ era was more physical. It was a war out there. Labron playes in the soft, jump shot era where you cant just hard foul dudes just to rough him up all game without getting ejected.
Shaq's last line is hella underrated. Its his mentality of being true to himself as a person first and the basketball player second, is what stopped him from being the GOAT. And he still made a top 50 in 96 barely touching his potential.
That's ridiculous, he was plagued with injuries that prevented him from being the goat
totally agree - true greatness in the end comes from someone with a heart of kindness, but who also happens to do great things
Shaq is definitely not a goat. Why? Because he relied on his size and weight. Steph Curry is not tall or heavy, heck he isn't even that strong, but he's a pure basketball talent. The same goes for Luka Doncic, Kobe Bryant, Drazen Petrovic, MJ.
@@ha-qg2ug that is the point, he put half the work other superstars do to have his numbers. his physique was perfect before he put all that weight. hell, just making free throws would make his scoring unstoppable.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-There are several players with 14 achievements
-Curry only has 13 achievements
-Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
MJ made the whole world watch basketball..
@@fabolousjada5070 facts bro people fail to realize nba is a buisness for entertainment at the end of the day . Theres even been some ref that came out and said that they didnt call jordan for certain stuff becuae thats not what the league wanted . These people blind even i could admit that lebrons 2016 ring aint even legit like when you the league wanted to see that mj vs lebron comparison get even spicier so they gave lebron the best ring of alltime
@@Jscrizle they clearly do that for Lebron too. Whens the last time lebron was called for a travel or a carry 🤣
@Fabulos Jada like they didn't allow lebron to carry, neglect charging calls and flop all the time
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-There are several players with 14 achievements
-Curry only has 13 achievements
-Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@@fabolousjada5070 They elevated him based on his ability. They knew he was special enough to captivate a global audience
“I just want people to say shaq was a nice guy “ it’s literally impossible to not respect how humble shaq is 👌🏾
You must be joking, shaq has the biggest ego which is easily bruised. “How many rings you got chuck?”
Yeah I’m confused…did you see him trash George
Lol Shaq is not humble about his ego/status, but he does help a lot of people out in need and does shows like this, so he can be considered a nice guy.
@@BOKtober shaq and chuck go at it like brothers everyone gets into heated debates if they were athletes 😂
shaq as a person and a player are 2 different animals and literally everybody goes at chuck like what?
I believe Shaq once said that nobody ever feared Lebron, even when he was at his very peak. That struck me as true. Competitors like Pierce, Kobe, Durant, etc. never seemed to mind competing against him, whereas with Jordan I think there was more of a fear-factor because he was such a killer.
No people did fear him lol
that's false. the lebronto struck fear in the raptors.
Dude kd joined the warriors so he could get over lebron
All those never came toe to toe with Bron. Teams came toe to toe with Bron not an individual player that’s a damn fact
1) Michael didn't kill anybody 2) People weren't saying they feared MJ when he was playing. Shaq amost put MJ in hospital, 20 guys tougher than MJ: Shaq, Vernon Maxwell, ron artest, charles barkley, charles oakley, letrell sprewell, karl malone, alonso morning, james worthy, ben simmons, gary payton, allen iverson, david west, kareem abdul jabbar (black belt), rasheed wallace, kevin martin, bill lambier, robert parish, chris webber, patrick ewing (really any PF or C of his day)
"I just want people to say that I was a nice guy " -Shaquille O'Neal
I waited on Shaq around 04 ' in Portland Oregon (served him lunch )and can honestly say that he is in fact a very nice guy.
Yeah I’ve read countless stories that Shaq is really nice to people in service positions. It’s one of the most telling signs if someone is a good person or not.
How much was the tip??
The name Michael Jordan still resonates across all sports to this day. That says it all.
Yup. Everyone says “the Michael Jordan of…” for a reason.
No it doesn’t cuz the name Lebron James will do the same😂
Jordan is up there with a select few athletes who were known far and wide beyond their sports. He's not at the top, but he's up there definitely
@@edwinyounes4934 No. no it won’t. 😂
@@edwinyounes4934 Not like Jordan. Get over it 😂
People were terrified of Mike. You didn’t want to cross him or make him angry. All the big stars knew it early and would warn the younger guys, “Don’t even look him in the eyes.” They were serious. And what you realized over time was that Mike was usually playing around 80-90%. Just enough to win and make things interesting, that’s how bored he got with the game. But when someone said something sideways about him in the media or his team lost a game they weren’t expected to lose, you knew 100% Mike was about to come out to remind everyone who the king was. And that’s when he’d thoroughly embarrass people and make the game look more like a clinic between a pro and amateur.
People forget that when he came back with the Wizards, he’d been retired for three years and was 30lbs overweight. Broke his ribs in the lead-up to the season. Wizards were the worst team in the league with the worst roster I’ve ever seen in my life. Before he blew out his meniscus, Wizards were on pace to get a top 3 seed in the East and MJ was averaging 30ppg in the month before the injury at 39. Again, this was not a team of stars or aging stars, they were TRASH. Only addition was retired, “I just decided to get back in basketball shape after 3 years off”, dirt old MJ. That’s how great he was.
There will never be another player like him because people will only ever compare that player to MJ.
@@Rookie_Mode2023 no it didnt. gilbert arenas made them a playoff team not jordans old ass. mj was 38 and 39 top pushing his age back to give him props. lebron was avg 30 at 37 dropping 50 points like its easy
Great take, nailed it. MJ is the 🐐 and Mamba is cut from the same cloth..but no matter what MJ is always the measuring stick.
@@RobinXlone Jordan retire when he was 40. Played between 38 and 40 on the wizzards. Actualy he made 40 or more 3 times if im not wrong when he was 40 years old and its the only player that did it. Thats not something easy to do. Lebron looking his actual shape might do it too
@@RobinXlone
Did lebron was retired for 3 years smoking cigars and drink whiskey night in night out?
@sk worst take i have ever seen, if u want to win an argument dont lie, Lebron has been in the top 3 numerous times for DPOY
There was something magical about 90's NBA, Jordan, Shaq, Ewing, Muggsy, Larry Johnson, Barkley and so many others made it memorable.
Olajuwon , Penny, Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, Gary Payton… 90s was the best era
Excactly, NBA was very probably most colourful sport, especially in mid 90s
Don't forget to add Rodman too
True. but basketball era now is what shaq called The Cupcake era 😂
Not just NBA, 90s-00s era everything was better.
Talent aside, MJ was mentally different. Sets him apart from everyone. Kobe came closest as a competitor. and that says a lot only one other player ever did. Levels
Respectfully, you may want to look into Hakeem Olajuwon some more. Very underrated in the greatest so far conversation.
russell, kg, plenty of players had similar drive. kobe is about as overrated as it gets
MJ was not only a great bb player but he did it in the most poetic way ever. MJ made basketball exciting for everyone.
I love how respectful Shaq always is
That's because of how he was raised by his military drill sergeant dad.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-There are several players with 14 achievements
-Curry only has 13 achievements
-Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@@FreedomFighter2112 Don't forget Michael spent 3 years in college, broke his foot in his 2nd year in the NBA and missed most of the season, and retired for 2 seasons in his prime. Otherwise, he'd be #1 in scoring by a wide margin over Kareem and nobody would be talking about Lebron surpassing Kareem.
Especially on Shaqtin a fool
Respectful? This is the guy who is petty about his "superman title" being used by Dwight. The same guy who wrecked javale McGee's reputation for laughs.
I’m from Cleveland too…
Jordan is the G.O.A.T.
I'm from Chicago but Lebron is the G.O.A.T
Well Jordan did get a louder cheer than Lebron in Cleveland lol
@@ldrsmjcr3504 Who cares you don’t know basketball
@@GoGetYourShinebox Defininetly not. Lebron's cheer was louder
@@ldrsmjcr3504 That was crying not cheering
MJ over Lebron any day of the week
No
Nah Bron🐐
BIG FACTS!!!!
And twice on sunday
Any day. Stop it. How old are you.
As a Lebron fan, even if it hurts, I know MJ is the GOAT.
Na you not a fan if you knew you would know Jordan NEVER FACED the stars that Lebron faced since 17 years of age. You would know Jordan played against plumbers and the rules was NO ZONE DEFENSE AND NO DOUBLE TEAMING so that was easy asf for Jordan lol imagine Lebron with no double team or zone haha DOMINATION
@@fabolousjada5070 Goofy
@@fabolousjada5070 false! what are you saying? go review the history. what a weak argument. man to man defense is harder than zone!
@@fabolousjada5070 Do some research on the 90's you zoomer..... Lets see Ja Morant dunk on Mutombo or Mouring.... D.Rose 2.0 in the making... MEDIC! 🤣
@Stone Colds people just try to end any debate by throwing out the word Bronsexual, as if Jordan fans aren't riding his D 😂
Shaq ain’t just a nice guy. He is an inspirational man. Thanks Shaq to bring out the best in humanity. ❤
he isnt a nice guy at all
@@dambo2229 Shaq hater
Who cheats on his wife
@@jamesmuhoozi5812 Nice accusation
A nice guy doesn't use a bucket as a toilet for a week then throw it on his rookie's head for the lolz
Young people really don’t understand. When Shaq said he was terrified of Jordan he meant it. All timers were afraid of not just losing but being embarrassed when they played against that guy.
@NewRim Hoops no one is afraid of Lebron James guy. The narrative that players build super teams to stop him is false. Players need super teams because Lebron recruits other all stars to join him.
@@melijahcopeland4101 so the warriors didn’t form a super team to beat the cavs in 2017??
@@Choppp_3 you answered your own question Wayne. The Warriors formed a superteam to beat the Cavs. Not Lebron. Once Lebron had no more use for hall of famers Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh he jumped ship to play with a younger group of potential hall of famers in Kyrie and Love.
@NewRim Hoops Stop lying. Nobody is afraid of LeBron. Kawhi damn sure isn't. Neither is Steph Curry
People were afraid of Jordan more because of his mentality than just his talent. Jordan was the type who relished putting his foot on your throat. Lebron is very talented but he doesn't have that same mentality
"people look at stats" .. .Yeah they do. But when you *actually* know how to look at stats and interpret them correctly, MJ wins that category too! 😂
Not even close lebron better in every category except free throws.
Exactly! People don’t know and comprehend how to view and analyzed longevity stats Vs Peal stats. & PER. Context matters fanboys. Not even closed.
*Peak
@@z808flashz6 bro tom Brady have longevity stats. So what lebron better in every category. Stop hating
@@z808flashz6 mj overrated
He played against MJ and on bron’s team. Not many others have that first hand knowledge
Granted after 2011 Finals is when LeBron became the peak version of himself and Shaq retired in 2011, and Shaq played the veteran most refined version of MJ.
Steve Kerr played with MJ and coached against LeBron and has always said he thinks LeBron is at least neck and neck, even when KD was on the team.
Players opinions aren't necessarily the gospel. Don't need to be a filmmaker to recognize a good movie , don't need a front row seat as a teammate or opponent to have an accurate evaluation on a player.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-There are several players with 14 achievements
-Curry only has 13 achievements
-Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
Only 4 people have played with both MJ & LBJ and guess who all 4 said is better? You guessed it
@@juju-vl7oj - you do realise Kerr is the most diplomatic person and would not open his mouth knowing it will cause an uproar.
Him saying that is sitting on the fence so that he can’t be held to something.
Anyone with 1/4 of a brain would know MJ is greater and it’s not even “neck and neck”
@@juju-vl7oj lebron was already in his prime when he got cooked in 2011 by a 6th man. Stop it !!
it says a lot when shaq says jordan over lebron, he played against both, and played alongside lebron he knows both
It would be more interesting to see where he ranks LeBron, Kobe, and Duncan amongst each other.
@@TyTimeIsAwesome for sure
Jordan, Kareem, Russle, magic, Kobe all won at least 5 chips in a 10 year span with the same team. Lebron chose to bounce around and unbalance the east in his favor. He’s 4-6 in the finals with different teams. As a goat you must help create a dynasty, seems like he helped his legacy more than anything
Difference is they where dynasty, lebron was the underdog and coming back from 3 to 1 to the greatest team ever that says a lot ,year 20 and still top 5 , potentially beating all time scoring stats and finishing top 5 and most of all categories means a lot
Montana is 4 and 0 ; is he better than Brady ?
Pele has 3 world cup is he better than lio messi f y'all talk about
Put some respect on bron name stop hating on greatness last time I check NBA is team sport just cuz u having won more doesn't mean u better than me.
@@danyfernandez9888 Imo that 3-1 comeback barely cancels out the 2011 meltdown
@@danyfernandez9888 lebron was on a strong Miami team and failed to win two more rings, had he won them then this Goat argument for him would make sense but he is no Goat. Not better than MJ, Magic Wilt Kobe or Kareem, had Shaq taken care of himself he would be better than Lebron by miles. Had Malone had better players he would have a better legacy than Lebron because I see Comparisons of Karl and Lebron. Just because Espn Shannon and Nick are obsessed about Lebron doesn't mean I have too. No hate, he is a great player top 10 but don't disrespect the ones before by talking shit.
@@adamsamuel8593 u clear don't have knowledge of NBA mj competition is not compared to lebron competition bron went against 5 hall of famer in one team , miami lost to spurs dynasty team that won 5 championship, the greatest power In NBA history, only final that u can argue is against Dallas and Dallas was no scrub they won 60 game that season and swept Kobe the defending championship team la Lakers so wasur argument stop sucking mj nuts
If you truely are the GOAT, you just know without thinking too much.
For Lebron, it feels like you always have to justify how he could be the GOAT. From his stats to his finals records, his teammates, competitions and so on.
When you watched Jordan, you just knew you were watching something great. The championships, scoring titles, all of those are just by-product of him simply dominating. That is also why people already crowned him as the GOAT during first three-peat. His second three-peat just cemented the fact.
get it 3 cement
When I watched Jordan everyone else seemed slow lol you know why ? Cause there was NO DOUBLE TEAM OR ZONE DEFENSE ALLOWED back then lol cause ME JORDAN hates zone from his own mouth .. Kobe and Lebron played thru double and triple teams their whole career in my opinion they are better than Jordan and faced way better opponents like iverson , McGrady, arenas early, curry, durant, THE MIGHTY SPURS LED BY THE GOAT COACH POP .. Foh Jordan ain’t face nothing like that and magic was old with aids so nope and Larry had back problems and was on his way out in the 80s man couldn’t beat those two while Lebron at like 23 went to the finals with a BUM team lol can’t compare son Lebron is the greatest
Also Bird and Magic, who were the big dogs before him both acknowledged MJ's GOAT status, that's as if Kobe and Timmy D called LBJ their GOAT, which they never did.
@@ursula3438 While Lebron acknoeldges himself as the goat.
@@ursula3438 I don’t know man. It’s clear cut that MJ was better than bird and magic. You can debate Lebron or Kobe.
Shaq played in both the MJ and Bron era so he knows from experience. There’s just a level of fear that is felt when facing MJ that gives him the edge
He never played Bron at his peak. Watchu mean in Bron era 😂
Omg the whole fear thing is the literal PEAK of subjective. No one gives a fuck if people were more scared of mj it’s about who was the better basketball player. Genuinely losing reasons to respect the mj argument with how dominant lebron has been.
@@Chris-lu4vm people act like no one ever feared Lebron LOL. Like if he hasn’t single handly beaten teams by himself. If people there hasn’t been times teams have feared Lebron just as much as Mj than you just in denial
@@Chris-lu4vm they feared MJ for a reason. Watching MJ play was like watching a Floyd Mayweather fight. You knew he was going to win. You don’t look at Lebron with that aura of invincibility, because it just isn’t there.
@@saguirre760 Actually, watching the BULLS play was like that, not just MJ. MJ was put in a position to win with other hall-of-famers. Lebron didn't have an "aura of invincibility" because he was carrying no-names to the Finals and losing to a 73-9 team that KD joined
Comparing LeBron to Michael Jordan is like Comparing Drake To Michael Jackson , incomparable .
That's actually a great comparison. Both great, but one is obviously the greatest.
Drake is Autotune garbage.
Drake was a Nickelodeon actor and Michael Jackson was fucking little boys. Not the best comparison lol.
Well Michael Jackson was possibly a pedo so I don't know about praising him anymore ?.
@@thegrandpencil4374 micheal Jackson ain’t touch them dawg😭
Shaq is the goat. His personality and love for people trumps over everything. Thank you shaq for being you. Much love
“Love for people” only when the cameras are on
@@braindead3919 he’s actually known for showing love strictly off camera. He never brags about anything.
Facts MJ is the greatest player of all time
Lebron over mj better overral player period.
Greatest two guard. Wilt is greatest.
@R G Yeah no
@@coreythomas3633 overall in what way?
@@gilbertbrown4183 most turnovers and most chokes in history..
Like the way he answers the pippen question. The dude knows how to answer stuff
It always impresses me how elegant and articulate Big Shaq is
He's actually kind of brilliant I believe and he does it in such a low key way. Pretty damn inspirational tbh
He's Dr. O'Neal
They were looking for Shaq original answer from years ago so it can go viral... shaq said scottie was a bum... shaq said scottie is water and shaq is the bridge... WAS HILARIOUS... but this an answer that displays maturity
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-There are several players with 14 achievements
-Curry only has 13 achievements
-Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
@@FreedomFighter2112 thats cool - can you also add in ROY, DPOY, ASSIST Titles, Rebounding Titles?
Everyone knows MJ is the GOAT get serious
I've watched nearly every game of all 3 eras (Lebron/Curry era, Kobe/Duncan/Shaq era, Jordan/Bulls era, tail end of Bird/Magic era). It's not a conversation at this point. Lebron is his own player (like a roided out Magic), but Jordan is the definition of GOAT basketball player. Like it's so easy if you just watched all these guys. The differences, there's no argument, Jordan HAD a better competitive nature about him to win (this is no argument anymore), he HAD better moments (the 2-3 comeback was a team comeback, it was lead by both Kyrie and Lebron, Jordan's end on the Jazz was literally all him stealing the ball - hitting the gamewinner - layup prior - etc). Jordan had a perfect legacy/impact/insane stats/etc all before the 3pt takeover too (which he could have done if it was normalized then). I love Kobe, but for as great as he was, and as much of a replica of Jordan he was, he didn't have quite the discipline Jordan had on the court. That was the downside of the 2000s superstars, the 'heat check' era you could call it, while it was fun to watch (Vince Carter is actually closer to Jordan IMO in terms of skill/talent/movement). Kobe is damn near as legendary as Jordan honestly, he was that guy for us, but he didn't have that same discipline to make his team win AS WELL. You did not see Jordan chucking shots unless he truly felt it would be a winning move. He was locked in, never seen anything like it. Lebron can't sniff that type of instinct Jordan had, but his dominating size/talent/efficiency gets him up there alone. Different players, hard to compare. Jordan is basketball though.
I remember players used to literally be afraid to play against Jordan, Bird, Kobe and Shaq. I cant think of anyone past or present even remotely scared of playing against Lebron.
The Boston Celtics.
@@ryanpappenfuss Paul pierce himself said he never feared playing against Lebron
@@Ayou0811 why would they ever admit that? He was 22 whoopin on em. Their actions of forming that team speak louder than Pierce’s words.
@@ryanpappenfuss You acting like you know them better than themselves. What you want them to think or what you interpret doesn't represent what they are thinking.
@@Ayou0811 and by the same token, you’re acting like everyone tells the truth all the time (no pun intended on Pierce’s nickname haha). Sometimes perception is reality, and it sure looked like the C’s were scared of lebron, hence they signed Allen and Garnett. You’re right, this is all my perception, maybe they weren’t “scared” of lebron - but it sure seemed like it.
I love how they snuck the last question about Pippin in the end and Shaq giving the diplomatic answer when we all know he's thinking the same thing as everyone else
I mean Pippen ofc isn't the GOAT, but Pippen gets a lot of disrespect on the internet by kids who never even saw him play. Pippen was the best sf of the whole 90s, he's up there with LBJ, Bird, Kawhi, KD, Dr J. as one of the greatest sf ever and he was a super valuable player to win chips with.
@@ursula3438 Pippen is the best SF of the 90s by default. Pippen was the best SF in the league for about 3yrs. I don't think people actually disrespect or underrate Pippen he usually properly rated, sometimes even overrated.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 He's definitely overrated.
-You have people trying to call Pippen the leader of the Bulls, Pippen included.
-You have people giving Pippen credit for the Bulls making it out of the 1st round, when Pippen was on the bench.
-You have people trying to call him the top 5, if not top 2, best player of the 1990s. Over people like Hakeem, David Robinson, Barkley, Karl Malone, etc.
@@x-man9473 The truth is if those people actually had to pick between Pippen and those guys to be their teams franchise player or to pair them up with Jordan they wouldn't even pick Pippen. It's a weak tactic that many fan bases have tried to use to underrate Jordan. I saw one guy recently claim Pippen was arguably better than Magic LMAO
I'm from COLUMBUS,OH ,and I KNOW it's MIKE!!!!!
The people who say LeBron is the G.O.A.T., DON'T know MIKE at ALL!
If they KNEW about some MIKE, there would be NO TALK of LEBRON.
I've seen them BOTH play. I was born in 82" so I was BLESSED to be able to grow up in such an era that had MICHAEL JORDAN!
The STYLE of the two is ENOUGH for me to ALWAYS pick MIKE.
LeBron has been caught LACKING TOO MANY times.
NO JOKE'S we're EVER made about Jordan or the way he played or the PASSION he played with.
LeBron,on the other hand, HAS!
His DEFENSE has NEVER been ELITE. His PASSION for the game HAS been questioned.
NOBODY EVER said " give Mike a dollar,and he'll give YOU 3 quarter's ".
There was a time when LeBron STUNK so bad, his own FAN'S we're CLOWNING him????
People can ACT and PRETEND like LeBron is WORTHY of ROCKIN the G.O.A.T.'s number but, JORDAN was FEARED... Game Over!
Jordan in his prime would have EMBARRASSED LeBron EVERY time!
STOP DREAMING LBJ fans, your boy is almost 40 and STILL ain't had ONE three Peat???????
Should I continue???
I don't think I should!
Shaq is one of the most dominant big men in NBA history. So, for him to say he was terrified of Jordan at any point, is saying a hell of a lot.
Kawhi Leonard: I just want to be remembered as a fun guy
I just want to remember him playing in games.
@@logicaldude3611 remember when he busted a stacked heat and warriors team in the finals?
Shaq is a nice guy ❤
Shaq isn't just a nice guy. He is an awesome guy.
Could listen at Shaq all day. Down to earth and real.
The issue is that people make it seem likes its horrible being #2 or #3 greatest play EVER. MJ for me is 1 and LeBron is 2, but that doesn't degrade what LBJ has done in his career. Even to be mentioned at top 5 of all time is an accomplishment in its own.
Lebron fans are the only ones that have a problem with her being number 2
@@puncho8799 Jordan fans are the only ones who think Jordan being second is a problem.
@@youlostthedebate Jordan has the most accomplishments and the majority of people think he’s the goat and Lebron is still chasing what Jordan did in 15 years going into his 20 and let’s not forget about the 6 finals losses so why should he be number 1 over Jordan?
@@puncho8799 Only Jordan fans think Lebron is "still chasing" Jordan because you only look at championships without any context. Lebron fans know that he has already cemented his legacy as the greatest and is only building on it
@@dhruvkasthuri6401 Jordan has a full Hall of Fame career over LeBron you’re fighting a losing battle only LeBron fans think he’s the goat
There’s nothing wrong with being the 2nd/3rd/4th best player ever man. He’s incredible! But MJ is just different level
So Logan said he supported Bron over Jordan because he's from Cleveland. That just means you're biased. We talking about the best player and legacy not no hometown hero shit.
From 1990 MJ never lost more than 2 games in a row with the bulls.
And thats with two very different bulls rosters.
Wasnt there stats of MJ not losing three games in a row or sumthing? from 90' to 98'????
Yeah and his ass getting whooped in the playoffs by young penny hardaway
I read MJ never lost more than 2 games in a row from 1990 to 1998. That's the will everybody's talking about.
@@raya4907 stop it Jordan played in a weak ass era where double or triple team wasn’t allowed neither was zone defense 😂😂😂😂😂 Foh Lebron curry Durant and Kobe would have like 10 rings in a era like that
@@fabolousjada5070 lol bigs were allowed to camp the lane and there was handchecking… there is literally no defense in the current era. Lebron doesn’t even play D anymore 😅
@@fabolousjada5070 Weak era? Bro, I can tell you didn't grow up in the 90's. It was the era of hand-checking and playing physical. Plus teams would gang up on Jordan regularly. Numbers was the only real way they could stop him. In today's pansy league of flopping and crying you sneeze on the offense and it's a foul. Jordan had to regularly penetrate 7 foot giants who were camping in the paint to get his signature dunk. Nowadays the lane can be more open than an expressway. But go ahead and keep telling lies to bring Jordan down.
A player's stats are a big part of the story but not the whole story. It's also how a player affects the flow of the game with the intangibles, energy, teamwork, hustle, defense and offensive movements, smart decisions, etc.that elevate a good player to really good to great status. Basically, just looking at a stat sheet doesn't show the whole picture.
I don’t think anyone could ever pass MJ as the goat. The legacy that guy built, he was the chosen one. The air Jordan shoes, Bird calling him god, knight calling him pre-nba the best basketball player ever, you could visually see the guy was way different than everyone else, the three peat retire then come back another three peat all without a dominant big man. How polished and charismatic the guy was, everything the guy did was cool. The score steal score to lock down the 6th chip. The guys legacy is like a Zelda adventure video game. Not just the greatest basketball player but the greatest athlete ever.
I feared Jordan as a fan. I felt like he was going to beat my team no matter what. I don’t feel that with Lebron.
Tell that to a hawks or raptors fan lol
@@tragictubster3808 lol exactly
I never feared MJ, I was too busy watching the Pistons beat his azz
@@tragictubster3808 luckily bron went to west when kawhi joined raptors easily sweep cavs with no kyrie
Ur kidding right ? Look at Celtics look at warriors look at toronto man I can keep on going I bet if lebron came to yo front steps you’d shii yo self
We all just watched them play. But this man has literally played with them so I think the person who actually played with/against them should have more validity, because the way he is talking about them it's not coming from a place of hate for either of the two.
Bruh... Shaq played against Jordan, and WITH LeBron on the same team! Yet still chooses Jordan over LeBron... that speaks volumes. Shaq is also the last player to beat Jordan in a playoff series. How on earth could even try to argue against him. 🤔🤦
I'll be honest, I was not a fan of 90s Shaq, but I am a fan of middle aged Shaq. He seems very genuine and grounded
If you listen to this with headphones, you can just feel and hear the deepness in Shaqs voice. That bass is serious lol
You had to witnessed MJ live to understand. Unfortunately most. Kids will never. Know
Lol you can witness him anytime on RUclips
@@dylanallen7720 i believe i said live
@@2tallnegrito7cmn55 lol did it look different in real time than on youtube? im confused.
@@dylanallen7720 did it feel and look different watching Steph, LBJ, KD etc. Do what they did for the first time?.
@@2tallnegrito7cmn55 from what i can tell the broadcast live and on youtube look exactly the same lol
Shaq is the man Always Listening to the smart humble person
Jordan play 13 season lebron 20 season
Jordan did what he did in a short time. Jordan could have played longer he could have scored more points than anyone. And more championship's. 💥💥✝️🕊️🇺🇸
Truth
Why would a player who played in the 90’s, respect Lebron? He’s a whiner, his FT and outside 3’ FG percentages go from not good to terrible. He can’t make a layup without travelling and rarely attempts a dunk that might be contested. He plays in an era with defensive 3 second rules, not hand checking and where the breeze of a passing opponent’s hand is enough to get a foul called.
💯
Bcs Shaq,David Robinson,Pippen,Hakeem,Kobe,Tmac,Barkley,Penny etc does. And you are a fucking oldhaed with bullshit talking. He‘s a great 3 Shooter,great postmove plays,Crazy IQ,Unappreciated blocker/defence,great finisher,fast,midrange etc.
I guess you only watch his fail Highlight‘s to discredit his greatness & using his 4 Rings as a justify to trashdown him. And you def forget he‘s a player from the early 00s were he played against players from the 90s.
So let me tell you a question: „Don’t you think that a Giannis can match most of these Centers from 90s (Maybe until Hakeem)? Or do you discredit him tho bcs he‘s great?“
Oh I def know you not a true basketball fan💀🤡
@@InfamousTerry4 I use to be, before the media and fans like you turned the NBA into a league that calls a whining snowflake who can't make a simple layup without travelling, a superstar. These days I'd rather watch the WNBA and it's worse than watching a bunch of 4 year olds play hockey.
Watching many highlights of both Jordan gets the edge from me. And the watching how rough they played, Jordan dunking on whole teams as they all hold on to his body lol
Where the hell did you see that ?
Today’s game is soft, MJ played when it was more physical
@@hateme1160 go watch MJ MIXTAPE HIGHLIGHTS
@@calm123 Yea, The mixtape shuts up 99% of LeBron fans 🤣
@@republicofcasuals your name says it all lol
Shaq will be remembered for more than being a nice guy. He’s also super funny, one of the best basketball players ever, has legendary generosity and an immortal meme template.
Love the gentle giant. So humble. God bless him and his kindness towards others!!!!
Shaq was the most dominant big man. That's how I remember him.
He went a few years where all you had to do if you wanted to win was give the ball to him every possession. He was the only player you watched every possession, no one else mattered.
I think regardless of your opinion on who’s better, one point that no one can disagree with is MJs influence globally in terms of bringing basketball to new continents. You can argue that a lot of the international talent we have today stems from him
sure
People still buy his shoes 20 years after he retired😂😂..that's GOAT material.
I love how shaq is like im jealous of him (for going to pass Kareem' record this season)... it's like well you shouldve worked harder. It's like even Kobe said himself "if he had my drive... shaq wouldve been the goat"
Has society ever deemed an athlete with a losing record The Greatest in their respective sport? A 4-6 record in final series without even spearheading a dynasty shouldn’t even make this a debate. There was a level of fear and a feeling that no matter what happens, the Bulls we’re going to win when Jordan was at his peak. They never went on a 3 game losing streak when he was on the court for 8 years. Lebron’s most memorable moment was a chase down block with a 1:50 left in a tie game. He hasn’t had his “Flu game” or “last shot” moment. The only thing Lebron can do to eclipse Jordan is go on a 3 year run where he destroys the competition like 96-98 and 3 peats. He’ll have 7 like Brady as well as the total stats. And He’d have finally given one franchise a dynasty & have more rings-as the bonafide superstar - than any player since Russell.
You disregard the fact that MJ was the favorite in every one of his championships. The only championship series Lebrons teams were favorited in that he lost was the Mavs series. People can make fun of Lebron for that loss all they want, but MJs bulls aren’t beating any of this Warriors teams in the finals. MJ also played against weaker competition his entire career
Facts
@@fogtowng atleast mj won against underdogs because he was the dynasty himself...while lebron he always lose against underdogs...like dallas and 2014 old spurs..dont tell me those old teams have players that can match up lebron and wade athleticism.. 😆
Level of fear ? Yeah like them 6 playoffs that Jordan ain’t make through Fohhhh Larry and magic i their prime was never scared of shorty lol … they had to hand over the keys cause the ratings was down cause nfl and the Yankees was number 1 and 2 youngin and Jordan played in a era WITH NO DOUBLE TEAM OR TRIPLE TEAM AND NO ZONE DEFENSE man is the most overrated ever and in this era he wouldn’t have those rings he got now
@@fabolousjada5070 jordan played zone defense in college and he still great 😂😆the zone defense in 2000s against 40 years old mj with injured knees still outscoring tmac, dirk, allen, nash, kidd 😆😂 imagine if that was the athletic version of mj 😆 that zone defense was nothing for the goat...
I was a pup watching MJ go over the Suns and Jazz. I understood MJ wasn't losing and that he was widely accept as the greatest of all times. Also growing up to parents who loved Magic and Kareem, so I was raised to be a historian, Recognizing Bill and Wilt as well. Dr. J who was the original man! So when Kobe came on to the scene, I was invested. This was my guy to watch and follow and make history. He didn't disappoint. Jordan was him, and Kobe was the guy who had the gull to attempt to be greater. His dedication to the game was so artistic and poetic for me. Kobe captured my 8 year old self while wearing the number 8. He had a fro, I had a fro. His story, one of being misunderstood. He just resonated with me. Out of his 20 seasons, I probably missed 10-12 games total (not including his forst couple of years before I knew what was happening and NBA league pass wasn't out.) So for me, I recognize him as the best. Nobody ever was able to hold me like that and entertain through sports. Then LeBron came. I had his first signature shoe and that's when I started to out hoop me friends and classmates. LeBron felt closer to my age and captured a space in my heart as well. I've seen a good majority of his games as well. Half the time pulling for him to be great, the other half pulling for him to not be as great as Kobe for trash talking sake. LeBron just continued to check every box imaginable and is Mr. Basketball. I mean he's seen every situation inside of basketball and has succeeded. Without question the 3 greatest players I ever seen, and I understand that who someone says is the greatest of them all is likely going to be the guy they came up following. It's the natural process of a fan. No answer is wrong. Only a fool would not appreciate the greatness of these men. MJ, Kobe, and LeBron. Them guys!
I still cant believe Kobe Bryant is gone😣😭
I cant even watch the NBA like i used to. Man
the late 90s/early 2000s in general was the best.
And 80s
Smfh
It’s too bad you’re not old enough to have watched in the 80s when Larry and Magic were going at it.
@@LastForeverUno Because if he lists that era as the best he definitely didn’t watch 80s basketball
@@fezzik7619Your right to keep it really real i only seen Mjs 1997-1998 run, i never seen his prime prime or as they say early Mj, i grew up in the late 90s 2000s, A.I, vince carter, tim dunkin, shaq, KOBE, ming,etc etc.I remember when Lebron was up in coming, man. but mainly the late 90s early 2000s time period is what made NBA special. MTV,PS1,PS2,N64, movies, tv shows, music ahhhhh man. life was so good.
Shaq's awesome. He usually says some pretty intriguing things.
Michael Jordan has 10x Scoring Title, Has been the Defensive player of the year, 2x 3peat, 6 Champ rings in one team in 8 years.
I had relatives in eastern europe couldn't get over how great Michael Jordan was. No one can ever be the level of star he was. He brought people into basketball who left when he retired. He was more than just great in his own sport. That's something no one else really has, although Shaq did mention Dr J, and Dr J was that kind of guy in the 1970s sort of, the progenitor of the flashy dunk ball.
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity . Don't fight them. Just find a new way to stand.
I'm from Los Angeles , I and two other of my friends tried him immediately we testified his performing wonders
The crypto market is highly profitable with an expert broker just like Mr Gergely . I got recommended to him and since then my financial life has been a success.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-There are several players with 14 achievements
-Curry only has 13 achievements
-Giannis is only 27 yrs old but already has 12 achievements, so he is most likely to enter the Top 10
Shaq's voice is just so calming......can he read my bed time stories?
MJ IS ONCE AND FOR ALL THE GOAT 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆💪🏾
I’m saying what about Kobe Bean bruh
Like why ppl trynna skip my boy like he didn’t light up James . Idc about stats, Lebron couldn’t handle Kobe! What do you think MJ would’ve done to him?!? Worse ass beaten than Kobe did him. For sure. Accolades? If Mj played 18-20 seasons with the Bulls without retiring once, there would be no question because he would’ve shatter so many records it really would’ve have been fair. Kareem record would’ve been shattered so bad that not even Lebron passing Kareem would’ve ever gotten close to MJ’s new set record. Probably would’ve won chips all through 2002 or 3 best case scenario go against Kobe n Shaq n beat them. Kings all the way to 2004 perhaps. Count how many seasons he played with the Bulls. Now imagine 19 or 20. Yeah not fair I know. Kobe is up there n Lebron is not passed Kobe. He never will. No one is disputing the great physical ability this man has. He’s just not cut out the same fabric as MJ or Bird or Kobe. Hell Bird can easily be Best over Mj. He ain’t but real ones know. You really can’t take Russell or Wilt that fast but Russell is the only one that would be up there but MJ is goat
The end
Fun fact, what Shaq (who is an awesome MF btw) fails to mention was that, yes he was on the last team that beat MJ in a playoff series winning 2-4, however, he doesn’t mention that it was the year MJ came back late in the season after playing a year and a half of professional baseball. Lol he also doesn’t mention how in very next season he met up with MJ in the playoffs again but this time Shaq left the series in a dust pan.
If you saw Jordan play you know why he is considered "The GOAT" When the game was on the line Jordan Delivered more than anybody ever! He was automatic on the Block and Totally unstoppable.
Shaq probably the most feared giant in the pain was terrified of the 🐐. All time greats are all time greats but when they talk about MJ it’s like they were talking about a mythical creature. Everyone feared MJ!!’
Funny they compare Jordan to everyone which means hes actually the goat.. 😅
Exactly! They compare him to everyone at the same time but won't do that for any other player.
about 2 or 3 years ago,about 200 or so active NBA players were ask about who is the GOAT.
And the result?
70% MJ ,11% james,10% kobe
MJ had more first defensive team selections in his first 7 seasons than Bron in 20...so in a 2way sport, Bron is not even top 20 defensively while MJ is tied for 1st place for THE MOST 1st team selections on D and all other players even close played many more years...just amazing ...so MJ has the MOST defensive accolades and also the highest scoring average ALL TIME and only Bill Russel who played in an era with less than 10 NBA teams has more rings.
MJ is the GOAT- period
Kareem made one three point shot, and also had to go to college
Exactly! All of those older players went to college. People forget that.
I never got to see MJ in his prime years. Coz I started watching Nba in the early 2000 and of course I watched Kobe and Lebron. But I still think MJ is the GOAT. But my favorite player of all time is A.I
i bet u like kg too😃
@@ziginaigra yeah KG is a beast. Ben Wallace as well
People dont even know when you watch basketball these days its just basketball.
Growing up and playing as the bulls in a video game,or seeing that logo vome on screen before a game you knew. And got goosebumps.
@IMPAULSIVE Clips these small clip videos are genius and I'm sure you're having these pod casts in different languages, having this pod translated in different languages have probably given lots different exposure worldwide, the growth on this channel is crazy!
Jordan won 3 championships in a row....then retire and play an entire different sport....came back and won 3 championships in a row again...come on
Jordan is the goat forever
MJ and then everyone else, and I’m a lifelong Laker fan.
Being the best is "also" what you do away from the game and "also" being respected for those actions. I know my answer.
Big Mike "I agree" like he played wit Mike on the Dream Team 😂
That last line from Shaq is great. This is why people love him. He's rich as hell but is nice and down to earth.
You are and will be remembered as a nice guy Dr Shaq among many other great things.
Gary Payton told a story about how Shaq used to save his piss in a bucket for a week and throw it on an unsuspecting rookie during practice.
@@davekay9113 damn I wonder how heavy that bucket was
In retirement
Shaq changed his shit up every week😂😂
The point thing doesn’t mean that much because it has to do with longevity. The longer you play the more points your score. At this point LJ has played 1373 games scored 37237 points for a avg of 27ppg. MJ only played 1072 games at 32293 or 30ppg avg. if MJ played those 301 games at LJ current avg of 27ppg he’d have over 40400 points. A better way to look at it is LJ first 15 years VS MJ’s 15. MJ has him by over 1200 points.
I AGREE WITH THAT JORDAN IS GOAT🐐
Shaq knows this and it’s facts
If you look at the stats, review the tape, and dig really deep, it's very, VERY difficult to argue that anyone is better than Jordan.
But I'll forever be a Kobe G. He's my number one forever.
Shaq played with or against the Jordans, the Barkleys, the Hakeems, the Malones, the Duncans but he played with and against the Lebrons, the Curry;s also. He does have some insight. Shaq came in right after Kareem retired, so it is not like we are taking a 100 years ago.
Let me put it this way. I don’t think anybody will replace MJ as the GOAT *for me* personally. But I can never begrudge someone for having Lebron as theirs. Same with Kareem and same with Russel. There are a few others I wouldn’t necessarily hate you for choosing but I just don’t personally think they have a reasonable enough argument. Lebron, Kareem, Russel, they all have enough of an argument that I can’t say you’re crazy for choosing them, but they just don’t have the arguments that I’m looking for to put them above Jordan.
didn't know there were still people that need this explained to them
Well @0 years ago this question is rhetorical but now it really isn’t
Michael Jordan would be an average player in todays league. The game has evolved. Lebron is miles above Jordan in skill
@@Tom_Ciccone now thats a bit too mucj
@JAYEM5 Jordan would be elite in today’s league like Lebron would be elite in the 90’s. You clearly don’t know anything about ball
@@Tom_Ciccone lebron's "skills" didnt lead the league in scoring 10 times, lost the finals 6 times, and more. MJ is the only player who made it to the finals and never lost. Thats how goated he is
I'm from another country and another time zone. People here used to get up in the middle of the night just so they can watch MJ and a lot of them didn't even follow NBA or even basketball. LeBron is a great player but MJ was/is a world phenomenon.
In NBA history, 0 championships have been won with longevity stats.
**
30.1 ppg (highest all time)
6.2 rbg
5.3 apg
2.3 steals per game (4th all time)
0.8 blocks per game
83.5% ft
56.9% ts
27.9 PER (highest all time)
0.251 ws/48 (highest all time)
6-0 in the finals
6 FMVP (most all time)
5 MVP (tied for 2nd all time)
1 DPOY
10x all nba first team
All nba second team (injury year)
9x nba all defensive first team (tied for first all time)
Rookie of the year
10x scoring titles (most all time)
3x steals leader (tied for 2nd all time)
***PLAYOFFS***
33.4 ppg (highest all time)
6.4 rpg
5.7 apg
2.1 steals per game (6th all time)
0.9 blocks per game
82.8% ft
56.8% ts
28.6 PER (highest all time)
0.255 ws/48 (highest all time)
**
27.1 ppg
7.5 rpg
7.4 apg
1.6 steals per game
0.8 blocks per game
73.4% ft
58.8% ts
27.3 PER
0.230 ws/48
4-6 in the finals
4 FMVP
4 mvp
13x all nba first team
2x all nba second team
All nba third team (injury)
5x nba all defensive first team
Nba all defensive second team
Rookie of the year
Scoring champion
Assists leader
***PLAYOFFS***
28.7 ppg
9 rpg
7.2 apg
1.7 steals per game
0.9 blocks per game
74% ft
58.3% ts
28.2 PER
0.242 ws/48
Shaq played against both Lebron and MJ. You can take what he says to the bank
Logan has prob never watched a full nba game lol
“I’m from Cleveland so I have to say Lebron”. That just sums it up really
The MJ era was more physical. It was a war out there. Labron playes in the soft, jump shot era where you cant just hard foul dudes just to rough him up all game without getting ejected.