As a LEO for over 37 years. The largest number of GSW (Gun Shot Wounds) are by the .22 caliber, mostly .22Lr. And of them most of the bullets are of the common cheap Walmart brand IE Remington or Winchester round nose. Out of 50 GSW's amounting to 5 deaths and 45 wounded. Of those committed by professional shooters (hit persons), I have investigated 25 all were DOA. 10 were .22 short, 12 .22 Lr, 3 were .380. The latter was the center mass, all the rest were close range headshots. I investigated 1 .22 Lr self-defense shooting. The person defending herself was an 82-year-old lady, the punk was a 19-year-old BM. He broke into her ranch house and was in the process of helping himself to anything of value when she was awakened by her dog attacking the punk, he was armed with a 9 MM hand gun and he shot and killed her dog. The lady grabbed her .22 Lr rifle and went downstairs, seeing her dead dog, she then saw the punk and shot him 2 times 1 center mass and the second shot center brain, result one good punk. No charges were filed against the lady. Bottom line, DON'T MESS WITH A GRANDMOTHER WITH A RIFLE.
Not surprising at all. Can you clarify numbers though? 50 GSWs with 5 deaths in one sentence but 25 DOAs in a subsequent sentence, or have I misread it?
@joewoodchuck3824 - you misread it. 2 separate groups or clusters of shootings. 1st - Out of 50 shootings, 5 dead, 45 wounded. 2nd group - (done by "Hit" men) 25 investigated - all DOA (10 were .22 short, 12 .22 Lr, 3 were .380). I've probably made things more confusing.
At my Age of 78, I have converted to a 22LR or 22 mag for my EDC gun and I carry these rounds with Confidence! I am a Long time Glock Guy and I carried a G19 as my Duty Weapon for manny years and a G26 as my off Duty EDC but as we become older we sometimes have to make Adjustments because we can no longer do the things that we did when we were younger! I shoot at my LGR once every week and I now have more fun than ever and have saved a bunch of money on Ammo!
I don't find any caliber above .22lr much fun to shoot because when I'm paying 50 centers for one shot that's expensive. With .22lr I'm not thinking much about the cost of the rounds when plinking which makes a better experience. My Walther P22 is a good carry pistol because it's thin that makes it easy to conceal. Most .22lr gets at least 12 inches of penetration. Federal Punch .22lr can get 30 inches penetration.
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@@johnnyc1227 I've not had any bad rounds with using the Norma brand. Brands that are high quality these days usually don't have any bad rounds in them. Norma does cost $12 for 50 rounds.
Normally Im that guy that watches, hits the like, or dislike, and rolls on... this video deserves the attention... Yes, Its a longer than normal review... Well worth the 45 mins. Great work.
Thank you. Incidentally, I purchased a Ruger 22LR Wrangler a few days ago. Actually, I bought it on 12/22 and waited 11 days to take possession of it here in California (gun shop was closed on New Year’s Day). Perfect little bedroom gun and yes I keep it away from grandchildren and dummies when I’m not around. Look at it this way with the 22. A jury comprised of ignoramuses is more likely to be understanding of your defensive situation if you had to use that caliber, plus, it is “safer” inside the home as far as the bullet mayhap passing through the assailant and on further into the house.
Have you practiced much with cycling through the single shot for self defense (even just dry fire)? I’ve always wondered if an average person could learn to be quick with it.
Sadly MOST people do underestiimate them. My Brother in laws neighbor said that 22LR's will just piss people off. I asked, do you want to stand in front of that target and let me send you a few rounds ???? Then you can come back to me and tell me just how pist off you are ..... if you are still, ya know, alive LOL ...
@@ACommenterOnRUclips Look at ballistic gel tests on RUclips in order to gain perspective of .22 lr performance. Maybe shorts as well. My dad took a deer with a captured .22 lr. He said it was in WW II Germany and he got it for his artillery group. It's a training rifle built to be an identical introduction to the German Mauser. I still have that rifle.
@@vikxav1980 You should read the specifics for yourself. But no, .25 acp is not better than .22 lr. Further .25 acp ammunition is not as widely available and is more expensive than .22 lr.
Thanks for the great video! I'm 76, have never owned or wanted to own a gun, but finally decided to get a .22LR pistol solely for home protection. I had no clue what to get until a friend recently took me to a range and introduced me to .22, .380, and 9mm pistols. All things considered, I'm sure the .22 is the right choice for its intended purpose.
Thank you! My favorite first rifle my Father gited me brand new @ age 7yrs. Old. A Remington Nylon 66 rifle. Still have it! It's short enough for home invasion use. It had just come out/late 50's. Actually was shot through my left calf bt my cousin by mistake by accident as we headed out Grandmaws front door to go hunting. Thank goodness I gave him my .22, & I had the 12 gauge. As well: the .22 bullet went clean through my calf/out the other side & into the ground; & not traveling diwn my leg bone! After having to retrieve the bullet from the ground... we both continued on our way hunting. I was 12 yrs old, as was my cousin. J
During 80 years, as a carer Army officer and shooting instructor with two combat tours in the 60s (not counting Camden and South Philly) I've met some interesting people with fatal 22lr experiences. One was a colleague whose father was shot ONCE in the chest with a std 22lr solid (not modern enhanced whoopee stuff) and dropped in his tracks. The other was a retired NYPD Lieutenant whose wife had to deter a wannabe burglar with a 22lr revolver. She emptied it into his face as he was crawling into her window and that's where he died. I've hunted in Germany for any years. Handguns are only permitted in hunting for the Fangschuss,/coupe de grace. There is a minimum energy requirement roughly equivalent to std 38 Special. The 22 WMRF meets that and there are a lot of good 22 WMRF handguns available. Shot placement is everything with anything. Stay safe. The best gunfight is the one you avoid.
Thanks for sharing your experiences and wisdom. There is no better proof than actual real life encounters like yours. It's interesting that you hunted in Germany. As a kid I spent several summers with my German grandparents that lived in a little village in Bavaria. Those were special times and I remember my Opa (German for Grandpa) taking me with him into the woods and hunting mushrooms. We also picked blue-berries, black-berries and wild straw-berries, and observed the local wildlife such as red squirrels, wild hares, pheasants, partridge, and roe deer. I have so many fond memories of Germany, and would love to be able to go on a roe deer hunt there, but I know it's next to impossible. Thanks again for your comments, I always appreciate stories like yours.😊
I had a Colt Police Detective 22lr that looks similar to your Charter and it was incredibly accurate. I gave it to my dad and even his 90-yr-old eyes can hit targets at ten yards. Thanks for the comparisons because I do carry a 22 and it made me feel good about my choice to use Mini Mags.
Like your channel and the review. Subscribed.. As you said . 22 cal round used as a self defense weapon can be a very effective defense weapon. I always carry 22 .it's light to carry and definitely better than a rock !! Joe USN 75......
I have to say that this is, hands down, the best 22Lr review video that's on the net. Also the story you told in the end was probably the best testimony I have heard when it comes to using 22lr for defense. Bravo!!👏👏
If we can stay focused on personal/self defense and not get distracted by humane hunting, I have this to say: I don't care if it is.22, .32, .380, .38, 9mm, 10mm, .45, .44, or anything else. I don't want to get shot. Law abiding folk should carry what they can shoot accurately if they can stay calm and handle the situation responsibly. It is like arguing about whether you want to be hit in the face with a kids aluminum ball bat or a pro league wood ball bat. I don't want to be hit by either. Nice video. Happy New Year.
I enjoy all your videos. The first rifle I ever shot was my dad's 22 winchester Model 74 a semi automatic rifle. I was only 9 but I remember going to the gun shop with my Dad and he bought a box of bullets and then taking me out to the sand pit to shoot. I never shot a rifle and I really enjoyed it even though the rifle was probably taller than me. Here I am now at 72 my Dad has long since passed and I can still remember that day and shooting that big rifle, to me it was big, at a tin can. Years later I took my own son out to shoot his first 22 rifle. Now today at 72 I still enjoy shooting 22 rifles and handguns even though I have larger centerfire handguns and rifles to shoot. I guess its true you can't outgrow a 22.
I have that same rifle, 17 round, Marlin Model 60, that my Dad gave me when I was 10 (I'm 61 now) and it still shoots like a champ. Great little rifle and very, very, accurate.
I still have my Glenfield mod 60 I got it for Christmas when I was 11 in 1975 ( what a coincidence) it has put down alot of game and is still in 98% condition. The next year I got a stainless 9 round H&R revolver!
@@johnelder4273 Yeah' it was Marlin's ( budget brand) kinda like they had Sear's brand or JC Higgins/ Ted William's etc. They were usually Mossberg's or Savage/ Steven's. Mine was bought at K Mart for $49 with a 4× scope in 1974. I could have got the same rifle with Marlin stamps for $10 more at a gun shop, minus the scope. Western Auto, Montgomery Wards, all had Marlin, Winchester, Steven's/ Savage etc. With thier name Stamped on them...I believe they started doing that just before or just after WW2, I've seen Louisville Sluggers or just about any sport item with JC Higgins or Ted Williams on them, Baseball gloves, ⚾️ 's you name it. I could probably find out the year it was actually made by the serial #s from Marlin? It could have been on the shelf for Years..who knows.👍🙂 I could have got a Remington nylon 66 for about $89 at the same time, but I liked the wood stock! & $40 then is like $200 now.
@@johnelder4273 Come to think about it! They did make The Marlin 336 in 30/30 Winchester with Sear's & Glenfield stamps, I have seen that lever gun with any and everyone's brand on it. My Father was a used gun dealer, that is where I got my Knowledge.
Good video. I used to carry a Ruger wrangler in 22lr. When I was in the woods camping and night fishing for flathead catfish. Never had to worry about anything bigger than a bobcat or coyote in west ky. But just in the springs of 2022 I was night fishing off the river Bank and around 1am I heard a freaking growling then went into a high pitch scream that scared me unlike anything ever has scared me before. For now on when I'm night fishing I keep a 12 GA in my truck and a 357 on my hip
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman no sir but where I was there shouldn't have been anyone around. I was on private property at the time. And there wasn't a hill close to me that a rock could've gotten loose and rolled down one thing is for sure we never went back
@@ernest9606 So you also had a rock thrown at you? Growling then screaming along with rock throwing sounds like other accounts people have had in relation to bigfoot encounters. Maybe there is something to all the stories folks tell.
those of us with gray hair relied on 22lr to learn how to shoot. as we age out and become less-abled we will likely end up relying on 22lr for protection. successive 22lr doubletaps dumped into centermass from a reliable and handy ruger sr22 can work well for my humble defensive needs.
I also carry the Ruger sr22, 4.5 in. Use the reliable Velocitor. The cartridge in the magazine lines up almost directly into the chamber. Usually carry a 9mm, 4 in, M&P 2.0. Then, also carry a S&W, AirLite, 7 shot, 22 wmr, in a pocket. Especially at nite.
I got .22wmr rifle (savage cheap stainless bolt) with pmr30 and naa deep backup to save weight over my 30 year ago centerfire carries for coordinated ammo & aging strategy .
I love my SR22 with Velocitors. It wouldnt be my first pick for self defense, but i wouldnt be scared to grab it and have carried it ccw on various occasions. I have gray hair, but i doubt im old as you're describing
I have a 3 inch pathfinder chambered in 22 W.M.R.F. that's been in the family since '78. It's just as accurate today as it was when it was made. 22 magnum is also a fun round to shoot. I've used it for personal defense. 👍🏼
I sometimes, carry my trusty Ruger Mark ll, Standard in a shoulder rig when in the woods and fishing. My choice rounds are the CCI Mini Mags and the CCI Stingers. I get excellent performance from these rounds and am very confident they will protect in self defense. I will have to try out the Fragmentation rounds, they sound interesting. This video was very informative of performance of each round, great work, Sir.
Great video, I worked in an ER in the mid to late 90s and I have seen my fair share of gun shot wounds and fatalities. Two of the most underrated cartridges are the 22 and the 32 acp. But the most surprising and most memorable patience was one that was shot with a pellet from a GAMO air rifle. Rushed to surgery after collapsing in triage as he was bleeding out internally.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, undoubtedly you know first hand how dangerous small caliber projectiles can be. In one of my air rifle shooting guides there is a safety warning that states even .177 caliber pellets when shot from modern air guns can be deadly. I hope your patient recovered well. I appreciate and respect your insight on this matter.
One of the most comprehensive .22 tests I've ever seen, nice job. I have a couple .22s I carry, a S&W .22 Compact and a S&W 43c. I like Velocitors or Punch but all of the rounds you tested performed pretty good.
I am planning on making another video where I will be testing a shorter barrel .22 pistol, because I realize that not everyone can carry a 6 inch model. I am thinking maybe in the 2-3 inch barrel length for concealed carry. What do you guys think?
@@CumberlandOutdoorsmanThere are probably a lot or Smith, Ruger, Beretta, Phoenix Arms and others with short barrels so another test for Snubbies would be great.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman Great Idea. I have a 3.9 inch Keltec P17. $190. I practice with .06 cent ammo and load up with .28 cent ammo for protection when done practicing...just in case...
Thank you for all the gun fun on testing. Anyone who has ever set at a bench and shot various guns and ammunition to compare preferences knows how much time, money and skill it takes to try and be as constant as possible . I (we) do appreciate you hard work ( fun ) in doing these tests. To be fair to yourself you should record all your findings for future reference. Keep up the great work.
Good old 40gr high velocity Lead RN or copper washed round noses are hard to beat … Most important things to consider about any SD ammo , especially 22lr 1. dependable 2. Accuracy 2. Penetration
Thank you for the VERY informative video on several 22lr rounds. I don’t carry the 22lr for self defense but for a survival situation, it’s awesome. You can actually afford to shoot the ammo to practice and it’s much better than it gets credit for. I’m subscribing to your channel. Thanks again!
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman I’m from S.W. Pa. I’m an old ridge-runner and love the videos that you post. You’re a wealth of knowledge and experience that I can appreciate. Thanks so much for what you do sir. 😊
Great review indeed. I use a Glock 19 with a .22lr conversion for CC...It is super light, super accurate and follow up shots are very easy to perform. The key for .22lr for self defense is to shoot at least 5 shots focused on one critical area to make up for the effectiveness of a higher caliber. Having said that, it is absolutely possible to do that without losing focus or detraction from recoil of a higher caliber use.
I love the 22 cartridge and ever since I was a kid I bought and shot my rifle, a Winchester model 62A, my grandfather gave me that for my 12th birthday in June 1960, prior to that I learned to shoot with a Stevens single shot that was my dads and later my younger sister used the Stevens in a 4H shooting club, great hours of fun with my 22's, I still have the Winchester today aand this is 62 years later
Its funny how some people say the .22 is no good for defense, it will punch a hole in a human skull with ease and you can shoot a .22 a whole lot faster than any other caliber. There's a story I heard that in WWll a bunch of cadet kids held off several squads of Germans at their military school for days with only .22 rifles, the Germans had to hunker down and wait for some tanks to take the school, .22s can be very very useful.
I’ve done the same tests from a 4” barrel revolver! The ammo is really a personal choice but between Federal Punch and Velocitor some days I load and Mini Mags ! Great test you did !
I am a retired County Correctional Officer and was firearms certified within my first six months on the job. First duty weapon was a Smith and Wesson revolver model 10 /38cal ammo. Second weapon was Sig Sauer 2340/ 40 cal x 3 12 round magazines. Third weapon was Glock17 gen5/ 9mm. Personally shot many wheel guns and pistols at the ranges but due to rising costs of ammo shoot 22 cal mostly. This review was very interesting and well done! Thanks I'm now subscribed .
I really like the series on the 22 lr. cartridge and guns. Very informative with meaning demonstrations. My admiration for this diminutive cartridge started from a very young age and hasn’t diminished. It really is an excellent round for small game, target shooting and recreational use. And like you stated if you have nothing else it can definitely be an effective weapon.
Well YEAH!! YOU have up to 1000 lb 2 leggers that will EAT you!! Not so much down here in the lower 48.. (with a few exceptions) LOL!! I'd carry a cannon too under those conditions!!
Kudos on yet another great video. Love your .22 Series. You've done a masterful job presenting a most controversial topic most noncontroversially! While the first choice of very few for defense, a .22 in the brain pan or center of mass beats a .500 S&W in the ear lobe (or home in the safe). Markmanship and celerity vincit omnia. A long career in law enforcement has demonstrated that the .22, if not the best choice, remains a frequent one and often effective. Badguys find being shot most disconcerting and most try to relocate immediately to avoid taking any round. An S&W Kit Gun 4" or a Beretta 71 are my current favorites for 'not there 'til needed' rimfires. I like Velocitors and CCI Small Game bullets. As with you, these handguns have proven effective on small game (up to raccoons so far). Again, appreciation for your work. Pax
I agree, the sound of any gun firing at you will put almost anyone retreating & certainly being hit with a 22 will! It can definitely be effective, i believe more people have been killed with the 22 than any other caliber. They definitely have been proven effective!
Did a REAL GOOD JOB putting this together. I also believe .22LR is good enough for self defense. It's all about shot placement by the shooter. The round can do it . One suggestion for next time ..... would like to know the velocity just prior to entering the water jugs. Then, also, when posting the accuracy ... listing what you got for velocity and then list the Mfg claimed velocity on the target. As for bear stories .... out west here .... the bears wt >500#. Grizzly are just a little bit more cantankerous than Black's. We normally carry Spray & a Side arm. Spray for Down-Wind attacks ans Side arm for Up-wind attacks.
A very revealing test. While they all had their own merits, day in day out I believe I’ll stick with my old standbys, the Stingers and the Mini Mags. Both showed strong impact and good expansion. I would not want to get hit with any of them. From a personal defense standpoint, while a larger caliber would be more efficient, multiple hits with a .22 can be devastating, as demonstrated by your bear story. I would like to see some results using the .22 Magnum. I have a nice little Taurus 8-shot revolver that I used to frequently carry while deer hunting and came in handy dispatching a few deer that weren’t quite finished. Great to see you back at the bench!!!!
I once owned a Ruger Super Single Six in both .22LR and .22 magnum. Wish I still had it. That would make a fine test gun to make a comparison video. As always thanks for your informative input, you have always been a wonderful part of this channel as well as a good friend.
Appreciate all the time and work you put into this video. I carry a 9mm and a 22lr. Most of my self-defense practice time is shooting 22lr. That experience carries over to 9mm shooting. I use the Velocitor in my Ruger sr22 EDC. Recommend a Lucky Gunner video. They spoke with two factory Federal ammo experts. It doesn't talk specifically abt 22lr. But does discuss the choice of caliber. Also, you may know abt Greg Ellifritz study of different calibers used for self-defense. He included 22lr. Many thanks for a well done video.
That was as thorough a test of 22lr ammo that I have ever seen!Super informative and proof that 22lr can be an effective self defence. I own a Rughe wrangler which would be very close in perfor to that Charter 6 shooter!mance
Thanks for the nice comment. I decided to test the Charter Arms Pathfinder with a six inch barrel because I often carry it, and I figured it would give me a bit better performance than a 2 or 3 inch barrel.
Thank you for posting a very informative video in support of 22LR bullets. A friend of mine has a German- made Walther PP and a TPH both chambered for 22LR. He is using CCI Stinger rounds that has been proven highly efficient and reliable. More power to you sir!!!!
Great testing on some of the better 22 loads out there. Although I use center fire rounds for personal protection, I would not hesitate to use a 22 with these loads in a personal defense situation. I do like the Punch ammo as it is very accurate out of my 22 revolvers as well as my CZ rifle. Thanks again and have a great day.
yes I cringed when I saw that. I had a .22 LR Ruger single six that was destroyed by my brothers with being dry fired by them. Never dry fire any gun as it is damaging to the firing pin as well as the chamber.
@lesliemiller7534 I get the fear, however modern combat firearms and most other quality firearms are designed to allow limited or extensive dry firing. 33 years shooting 21 years professional shooting 6 years combat/deadly force experience
Charter Arms revolvers are historically well known to come with free floating copper beryllium firing pins. The company has stated in the past that they are unbreakable. Meaning that they are safe to dry fire, Hmmm. However I seriously doubt that this applies to their rimfire guns.
I am very partial to a 22 weapon, both handgun and rifle. I have one of those Ruger semi's and am truely impressed with your tests. This was a very comprehensive comparison. Thanks !
Great video! Thanks for your obvious effort in putting together this video. Very informative on what the 22 lr is capable of. Good ammo is certainly available today for this popular caliber.
Thank You for a great job in showing us just how effective those little 22 long rifle ammunition can be in both revolvers and simi automatics pistols. Really liked the bear story, where it has to tell all of us a lot about just what we really have in our little 22's. Thank you again and this video was very instructive besides. You did a great job informing all of us!!!
I’ve read shooting articles for years , one of my favorites was Jim Carmichael who wrote a shooting column for , I think Sports Afield not completely sure , that every species of North American big at one time or another had been killed with a .22 rifle .
Excellent ammunition choice and testing comparison. I couldn't have picked a better choice of "available .22LR ammunition" for testing or done a more thorough comparison in different target mediums. Thanks again.
Wow! Extremely well done and informative. Like you, I most often end up with a 22lr handgun at my side when on an outdoor adventure. I run either Minimags or Stingers. Thanks to your presentation I now know my ammo choices are okay. Please keep up the good work. I enjoy all of your videos.
Very good testing!👍 I enjoyed your story also!. I carry a .22 a lot in the summer with 11 rounds, i switched to the federal ammo too. Sometimes i carry the 22 on the ankle, 380 lcp in the pocket & a 9 or a 45 appendix; when its not hot anyway. But i too feel comfortable with my 22. Important things are good reliable ammo, mine seems more reliable with the punch than others, & being accurate & quick with it! I've heard of people killing bears with 45s but the 22 is crazy. Glad he had the tube fed Marlin! I have one too.
I would also like to add that some people with arthritis or hand problems or people who have trouble with recoil or noise of larger calibers would definitely be served well by .22 LR or .22mag . Definitely better than just your bare hands or going unarmed
Not many remember back in early 90's but CCI made some 22 lr called mini mag +V . I think there was some type of lawsuit ?? But they stopped producing it. It was a hot round!!
Very helpful demonstrations. Suggestion: do all experiments each in same order of ammo. Taking notes, I had to jump around in my notes to each ammo you tested.
excellent video. very impressive, that Stinger. accuracy test, again very impressive. i carry the LCP ll semi-auto. with the accuracy test, all the rounds were darn close together, i prefer the Lone Ranger(Federal Punch)bullet, but that Stinger really packs a punch. i have really arthritic hands, i can handle a 38, but with my 22, i can put 3-4 rounds on target much faster and better than felt recoil from a bigger caliber. again, great video, really informative.
Good video, and thank you for all your efforts and sharing in this video. By the way quite the bear story. I bet he was one happy camper for saving his momma's life !!!
You don't realize how many questions I get. I have over 2 million views on my channel, and I simply can't get to all of them. Aside from that I could not spend any time responding to comments this past week because my wife is in the hospital being treated for bacterial meningitis. I took a couple hours of time to come home and check on things when I read your comment. I'll try to respond when things get better.@@ACommenterOnRUclips
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman 2 million views are irrelevant. You got 608 comments in this video. yes some are comments and some are honest questions from the viewers that are not being answered. I get it, if you are too busy then don't respond to ANY .... But if you scroll down 608 comments and you ONLY reply to 1 person, and that 1 comment was a compliment, it makes you look like you are only replying to those that praise you or your video. The way my brain works or the way i see it, i either make time to respond to all 608 or i don't reply to ANY of them OR i just shut the comment section OFF so that people cant leave any questions because people come on here to either learn or get YOUR opinion and when you don't reply, it looks bad IMO. Every video i watch, i scroll down MOST of the comments to see if the OP responds to any of the comments, and if he/she DOES and i have a question or comment, i will post it and hope they respond. But as a good majority of the comments i scroll down, i find it very funny that the OP usually ONLY responds to those comments which bring praise while leaving the other hundred left open. It is what it is and you do you. Happy New year and prayers 🙏 that your wife gets better
The fact that I am responding to your comment is proof that I don't only respond to praise. I usually respond to comments as they are sent to my email. That may be why it looks so random. Sorry if you were somehow put off by my response, but the fact is I have many more videos to respond to. I am not selectively choosing to ignore any one single person. If I think I can help someone in any way by responding, then I do. Yes I have 608 comments on this video, but there is simply not enough time to answer all of them.@@ACommenterOnRUclips
That bear needed to go, he was unafraid of humans and aggressive. I have a Buck Mark, with a 5.5in barrel, I believe so this video was very helpful, thanks. I am a senior with a very bad back and pain so .22 is easier for me, not so much to conceal carry but fun to shoot and keep close at home or for critters and practice. I also have a .22 rifle so convenient. I also have an old Mauser .32 acp, it is great but ammo not so cheap like .22. Thanks for the effort you put into this video, will be watching more, subscribed.
The Lucky Gunner has a video from 2 or 3 years ago on small caliber defense (mouse guns). In it is an interview with Claude Werner. Mr. Werner makes the point that civilian use of a firearm is much different than law enforcement use of a firearm, in that the goal of the civilian is to stop the threat, and to break contact, whereas law enforcement's goal is apprehension. It is quite an interesting point, you may want to watch it.
Thanks for the Claude Werner reference. Watched it. Also Lucky Gunner interview with ammo designers/testers at Federal ammo factory. Werner has current posts on his site. Federal ammo guys claimed caliber disputes are mostly irrelevant. Modern ammo & pistols are all capable of self-defense. I often carry a Ruger sr22, 4" barrel; with CCI Velocitor or Stinger ammo. Very reliable, very fast & very accurate.
Good thorough comparison. I don't think I've ever that can deal with a couple minimag rounds in the forehead or eye socket. My Ruger #1is a super dependable and accurate pistol. Wow helluva story killing a "bear?" With 22 LR..
yea people want to talk crap about 22's but not 1 single person would volunteer to take a round of 22LR .... My brother in law's buddy said that 22's are pathetic and weak and will just piss you off, i said go ahead and stand by that target and let me send you a few rounds and you come back to me and let me know how pist off you are ...
Beretta 21a my summer pocket carry. Loaded with CCI Mini Mags, Velociters or Stingers. My gun runs reliably with Remington Yellowjackets as well, another hot round
Greg Ellifritz of Active Response Training posted an excellent essay on carrying a .22 as EDC from the perspective of a retired LEO and his thoughts on carrying for defense versus carrying as an LEO. I agree with the points he brings up. I recently dusted off a three .22 handguns I’ve had since college and shot a lot. Two of them are Beretta Bobcats. I have discovered that the Bobcats don’t like the .22 Punch, and performance with the Winchester .22 Silvertip is less than stellar. Bobcat sights are figments of the imagination for eyes approaching 60 so trying to group with one of those things with sights is practically futile. Punch groups out of a .22 Masterpiece at 15 yards wasn’t very impressive. I checked out a Ruger LCP.22 the other day at a shop, liked the sights and the trigger, am going to give it some consideration. S&W J-frames and Ruger LCRs are also worthy of consideration. When years of .357 Magnum and 180 grain .40 has taken its toll and contributed to already hereditary arthritis, there’s no shame in relying on a .22. It may take a magazine or cylinder to get the point across that the law abiding person packing a .22 for self defense just wants to go about unmolested and unharmed.
I carry a Ruger sr22, 4.5 in, using the Velocitor. There's some juvenile macho posturing abt using 22lr for self-defense. Bad guys aren't looking for gunfights. They want easy, unarmed victims. Shots on target will often discourage them. Have read Greg Ellifritz report on different calibers. The 22lr performed very well.
Thanks for the good comparison, it’s nice to be able to retrieve the slugs, see the results. I’m 70, and EDC a couple different 22’s. One a beretta bobcat 21a. The other an S&W air weight 351c 22 mag I like pocket carry and feel confident with either and think they’re dependable
I’m strongly considering getting a Sig 322. Either 20 or upcoming 25 rounds of 22 lr should convince any bad actor that easier prey is available elsewhere… A couple rounds in the noggin should suffice to put a man down.. So Sig 322 with a red dot it is.
exellent video,thank you,22lr is my favorite round.i down other calibers but by far i enjoy the 22lr my best performer is the tauras tx 22lr. i also carry a ruger lcp 22 lr.thanks
As a LEO for over 37 years. The largest number of GSW (Gun Shot Wounds) are by the .22 caliber, mostly .22Lr. And of them most of the bullets are of the common cheap Walmart brand IE Remington or Winchester round nose. Out of 50 GSW's amounting to 5 deaths and 45 wounded. Of those committed by professional shooters (hit persons), I have investigated 25 all were DOA. 10 were .22 short, 12 .22 Lr, 3 were .380. The latter was the center mass, all the rest were close range headshots. I investigated 1 .22 Lr self-defense shooting. The person defending herself was an 82-year-old lady, the punk was a 19-year-old BM. He broke into her ranch house and was in the process of helping himself to anything of value when she was awakened by her dog attacking the punk, he was armed with a 9 MM hand gun and he shot and killed her dog. The lady grabbed her .22 Lr rifle and went downstairs, seeing her dead dog, she then saw the punk and shot him 2 times 1 center mass and the second shot center brain, result one good punk. No charges were filed against the lady. Bottom line, DON'T MESS WITH A GRANDMOTHER WITH A RIFLE.
Not surprising at all. Can you clarify numbers though? 50 GSWs with 5 deaths in one sentence but 25 DOAs in a subsequent sentence, or have I misread it?
@joewoodchuck3824 - you misread it. 2 separate groups or clusters of shootings. 1st - Out of 50 shootings, 5 dead, 45 wounded. 2nd group - (done by "Hit" men) 25 investigated - all DOA (10 were .22 short, 12 .22 Lr, 3 were .380). I've probably made things more confusing.
@@itsjim2875 Ah. Now I understand.
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Thank you for sharing your insights and data with us, as well as making the world a safer place for decades. --Old Guy
At my Age of 78, I have converted to a 22LR or 22 mag for my EDC gun and I carry these rounds with Confidence! I am a Long time Glock Guy and I carried a G19 as my Duty Weapon for manny years and a G26 as my off Duty EDC but as we become older we sometimes have to make Adjustments because we can no longer do the things that we did when we were younger! I shoot at my LGR once every week and I now have more fun than ever and have saved a bunch of money on Ammo!
I don't find any caliber above .22lr much fun to shoot because when I'm paying 50 centers for one shot that's expensive. With .22lr I'm not thinking much about the cost of the rounds when plinking which makes a better experience. My Walther P22 is a good carry pistol because it's thin that makes it easy to conceal. Most .22lr gets at least 12 inches of penetration. Federal Punch .22lr can get 30 inches penetration.
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The only .22 worth carrying for defense in a revolver is at least 8 shot 9 or 10 even better
@@johnnyc1227 I've not had any bad rounds with using the Norma brand. Brands that are high quality these days usually don't have any bad rounds in them. Norma does cost $12 for 50 rounds.
Normally Im that guy that watches, hits the like, or dislike, and rolls on... this video deserves the attention... Yes, Its a longer than normal review... Well worth the 45 mins. Great work.
Thanks for your patience and support.
This is the most comprehensive .22lr ammo test comparison through a pistol I have ever seen.
I will recommend this video.
Thanks, I appreciate your support.🙂
Thank you. Incidentally, I purchased a Ruger 22LR Wrangler a few days ago. Actually, I bought it on 12/22 and waited 11 days to take possession of it here in California (gun shop was closed on New Year’s Day). Perfect little bedroom gun and yes I keep it away from grandchildren and dummies when I’m not around. Look at it this way with the 22. A jury comprised of ignoramuses is more likely to be understanding of your defensive situation if you had to use that caliber, plus, it is “safer” inside the home as far as the bullet mayhap passing through the assailant and on further into the house.
Have you practiced much with cycling through the single shot for self defense (even just dry fire)? I’ve always wondered if an average person could learn to be quick with it.
I always appreciate when someone goes to the lengths you have to test ammunition. Well done and informative. Thank you!
Thanks, I hope to bring more on this very topic.
.22 lr is never to be underestimated.
Sadly MOST people do underestiimate them.
My Brother in laws neighbor said that 22LR's will just piss people off. I asked, do you want to stand in front of that target and let me send you a few rounds ????
Then you can come back to me and tell me just how pist off you are ..... if you are still, ya know, alive LOL ...
@@ACommenterOnRUclips Look at ballistic gel tests on RUclips in order to gain perspective of .22 lr performance. Maybe shorts as well.
My dad took a deer with a captured .22 lr. He said it was in WW II Germany and he got it for his artillery group. It's a training rifle built to be an identical introduction to the German Mauser. I still have that rifle.
25 app is better or not?
@@vikxav1980 not sure about better but the 22LR is much more popular and readily available.
@@vikxav1980 You should read the specifics for yourself. But no, .25 acp is not better than .22 lr. Further .25 acp ammunition is not as widely available and is more expensive than .22 lr.
Exceptionally well done I had read that pistols don't have enough velocity for 22LR to mushroom you proved them wrong. Very well done indeed thank you
Thank you so much sir for the great Video. We are proud to have people like you out there. God bless you
Thanks. Hope you have a great holiday season.
Thanks for the great video! I'm 76, have never owned or wanted to own a gun, but finally decided to get a .22LR pistol solely for home protection. I had no clue what to get until a friend recently took me to a range and introduced me to .22, .380, and 9mm pistols. All things considered, I'm sure the .22 is the right choice for its intended purpose.
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Still got my marlin 22 rifle model 25 My dad got me when I was nine years old. Great shooter, and great video.
Thank you! My favorite first rifle my Father gited me brand new @ age 7yrs. Old. A Remington Nylon 66 rifle. Still have it!
It's short enough for home invasion use. It had just come out/late 50's. Actually was shot through my left calf bt my cousin by mistake by accident as we headed out Grandmaws front door to go hunting. Thank goodness I gave him my .22, & I had the 12 gauge. As well: the .22 bullet went clean through my calf/out the other side & into the ground; & not traveling diwn my leg bone! After having to retrieve the bullet from the ground... we both continued on our way hunting. I was 12 yrs old, as was my cousin. J
During 80 years, as a carer Army officer and shooting instructor with two combat tours in the 60s (not counting Camden and South Philly) I've met some interesting people with fatal 22lr experiences. One was a colleague whose father was shot ONCE in the chest with a std 22lr solid (not modern enhanced whoopee stuff) and dropped in his tracks. The other was a retired NYPD Lieutenant whose wife had to deter a wannabe burglar with a 22lr revolver. She emptied it into his face as he was crawling into her window and that's where he died. I've hunted in Germany for any years. Handguns are only permitted in hunting for the Fangschuss,/coupe de grace. There is a minimum energy requirement roughly equivalent to std 38 Special. The 22 WMRF meets that and there are a lot of good 22 WMRF handguns available. Shot placement is everything with anything. Stay safe. The best gunfight is the one you avoid.
Thanks for sharing your experiences and wisdom. There is no better proof than actual real life encounters like yours. It's interesting that you hunted in Germany. As a kid I spent several summers with my German grandparents that lived in a little village in Bavaria. Those were special times and I remember my Opa (German for Grandpa) taking me with him into the woods and hunting mushrooms. We also picked blue-berries, black-berries and wild straw-berries, and observed the local wildlife such as red squirrels, wild hares, pheasants, partridge, and roe deer. I have so many fond memories of Germany, and would love to be able to go on a roe deer hunt there, but I know it's next to impossible. Thanks again for your comments, I always appreciate stories like yours.😊
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Honestly one of the best reviews of 22 ammunition. You’ve got yourself a subscriber you’re doing awesome keep up the good work
Thanks! I really appreciate the support. I hope to bring you more real soon.
I bought the Ruger Mark 1 back in the late 70's, it's not my carry but it's such a great reliable pistol. Thanks so much for the demo.
Fabulous little tack drivers - I bought my MK II in the early 90s and just love it!
I had a Colt Police Detective 22lr that looks similar to your Charter and it was incredibly accurate. I gave it to my dad and even his 90-yr-old eyes can hit targets at ten yards. Thanks for the comparisons because I do carry a 22 and it made me feel good about my choice to use Mini Mags.
Best 22 lr review ever. Thank you
Like your channel and the review.
Subscribed..
As you said . 22 cal round used as a self defense weapon can be a very effective defense weapon.
I always carry 22 .it's light to carry and definitely better than a rock !!
Joe USN 75......
Thanks, I wanted to show the effectiveness of the little .22 round in various loadings since there is so much available now.
I have to say that this is, hands down, the best 22Lr review video that's on the net. Also the story you told in the end was probably the best testimony I have heard when it comes to using 22lr for defense. Bravo!!👏👏
If we can stay focused on personal/self defense and not get distracted by humane hunting, I have this to say: I don't care if it is.22, .32, .380, .38, 9mm, 10mm, .45, .44, or anything else. I don't want to get shot. Law abiding folk should carry what they can shoot accurately if they can stay calm and handle the situation responsibly. It is like arguing about whether you want to be hit in the face with a kids aluminum ball bat or a pro league wood ball bat. I don't want to be hit by either. Nice video. Happy New Year.
I enjoy all your videos.
The first rifle I ever shot was my dad's 22 winchester Model 74 a semi automatic rifle. I was only 9 but I remember going to the gun shop with my Dad and he bought a box of bullets and then taking me out to the sand pit to shoot. I never shot a rifle and I really enjoyed it even though the rifle was probably taller than me. Here I am now at 72 my Dad has long since passed and I can still remember that day and shooting that big rifle, to me it was big, at a tin can. Years later I took my own son out to shoot his first 22 rifle.
Now today at 72 I still enjoy shooting 22 rifles and handguns even though I have larger centerfire handguns and rifles to shoot.
I guess its true you can't outgrow a 22.
Another excellent video. Thank you, Cumberland Outdoorsman.
It was my pleasure.
As previously said, one of the very best .22 reviews I have seen on line. My compliments!
Very informative!
Great Vid. Best 22 LR series I have seen.
Excellent comparison of the 22lr cartridge’s examined!!
I have that same rifle, 17 round, Marlin Model 60, that my Dad gave me when I was 10 (I'm 61 now) and it still shoots like a champ. Great little rifle and very, very, accurate.
..my dad gave me a Marlin 81c in June 1963 in the night that I gradusted from 8th grade.. slmost 60 years sgo..
I still have my Glenfield mod 60 I got it for Christmas when I was 11 in 1975 ( what a coincidence) it has put down alot of game and is still in 98% condition. The next year I got a stainless 9 round H&R revolver!
@@akatripclaymore.9679 Glenfield, isn't that the brand that Marlin and I think Mossberg used to make guns and Sears sold them under their label?
@@johnelder4273 Yeah' it was Marlin's ( budget brand) kinda like they had Sear's brand or JC Higgins/ Ted William's etc. They were usually Mossberg's or Savage/ Steven's. Mine was bought at K Mart for $49 with a 4× scope in 1974. I could have got the same rifle with Marlin stamps for $10 more at a gun shop, minus the scope. Western Auto, Montgomery Wards, all had Marlin, Winchester, Steven's/ Savage etc. With thier name Stamped on them...I believe they started doing that just before or just after WW2, I've seen Louisville Sluggers or just about any sport item with JC Higgins or Ted Williams on them, Baseball gloves, ⚾️ 's you name it. I could probably find out the year it was actually made by the serial #s from Marlin? It could have been on the shelf for Years..who knows.👍🙂 I could have got a Remington nylon 66 for about $89 at the same time, but I liked the wood stock! & $40 then is like $200 now.
@@johnelder4273 Come to think about it! They did make The Marlin 336 in 30/30 Winchester with Sear's & Glenfield stamps, I have seen that lever gun with any and everyone's brand on it. My Father was a used gun dealer, that is where I got my Knowledge.
Good video. I used to carry a Ruger wrangler in 22lr. When I was in the woods camping and night fishing for flathead catfish. Never had to worry about anything bigger than a bobcat or coyote in west ky. But just in the springs of 2022 I was night fishing off the river Bank and around 1am I heard a freaking growling then went into a high pitch scream that scared me unlike anything ever has scared me before.
For now on when I'm night fishing I keep a 12 GA in my truck and a 357 on my hip
Wow! Do you have any idea what it was?
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman no sir but where I was there shouldn't have been anyone around. I was on private property at the time. And there wasn't a hill close to me that a rock could've gotten loose and rolled down one thing is for sure we never went back
@@ernest9606 So you also had a rock thrown at you? Growling then screaming along with rock throwing sounds like other accounts people have had in relation to bigfoot encounters. Maybe there is something to all the stories folks tell.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman I mean every story can't be a lie I wouldn't think
those of us with gray hair relied on 22lr to learn how to shoot. as we age out and become less-abled we will likely end up relying on 22lr for protection. successive 22lr doubletaps dumped into centermass from a reliable and handy ruger sr22 can work well for my humble defensive needs.
I also carry the Ruger sr22, 4.5 in. Use the reliable Velocitor. The cartridge in the magazine lines up almost directly into the chamber.
Usually carry a 9mm, 4 in, M&P 2.0. Then, also carry a S&W, AirLite, 7 shot, 22 wmr, in a pocket. Especially at nite.
You're right man full circle baby!
I got .22wmr rifle (savage cheap stainless bolt) with pmr30 and naa deep backup to save weight over my 30 year ago centerfire carries for coordinated ammo & aging strategy .
I love my SR22 with Velocitors. It wouldnt be my first pick for self defense, but i wouldnt be scared to grab it and have carried it ccw on various occasions. I have gray hair, but i doubt im old as you're describing
I'm 66. Been around competitive shooting most of my life. Well done. Thank you for a very informative video.
I have a 3 inch pathfinder chambered in 22 W.M.R.F. that's been in the family since '78. It's just as accurate today as it was when it was made. 22 magnum is also a fun round to shoot. I've used it for personal defense. 👍🏼
That federal punch ammo is great. I've seen many many tests with those and you are well armed with those. Thank you for your video.
Brother that's the best 22 testing I've seen, and surprising results! I really thought it was only good for squirrels. You just proved me wrong.
I sometimes, carry my trusty Ruger Mark ll, Standard in a shoulder rig when in the woods and fishing. My choice rounds are the CCI Mini Mags and the CCI Stingers. I get excellent performance from these rounds and am very confident they will protect in self defense. I will have to try out the Fragmentation rounds, they sound interesting. This video was very informative of performance of each round, great work, Sir.
Great video, I worked in an ER in the mid to late 90s and I have seen my fair share of gun shot wounds and fatalities. Two of the most underrated cartridges are the 22 and the 32 acp. But the most surprising and most memorable patience was one that was shot with a pellet from a GAMO air rifle. Rushed to surgery after collapsing in triage as he was bleeding out internally.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, undoubtedly you know first hand how dangerous small caliber projectiles can be. In one of my air rifle shooting guides there is a safety warning that states even .177 caliber pellets when shot from modern air guns can be deadly. I hope your patient recovered well. I appreciate and respect your insight on this matter.
That’s what I love about 22 long rifle. I may not kill you, but I’m gonna tear you up inside you’re gonna wish you were dead.
Other "patients ".
They went to college for at least 4 years...😂
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One of the most comprehensive .22 tests I've ever seen, nice job. I have a couple .22s I carry, a S&W .22 Compact and a S&W 43c. I like Velocitors or Punch but all of the rounds you tested performed pretty good.
I am planning on making another video where I will be testing a shorter barrel .22 pistol, because I realize that not everyone can carry a 6 inch model. I am thinking maybe in the 2-3 inch barrel length for concealed carry. What do you guys think?
@@CumberlandOutdoorsmanThere are probably a lot or Smith, Ruger, Beretta, Phoenix Arms and others with short barrels so another test for Snubbies would be great.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman Great Idea. I have a 3.9 inch Keltec P17. $190. I practice with .06 cent ammo and load up with .28 cent ammo for protection when done practicing...just in case...
Yes that would be cool to see! I have a 2" Phoenix@@CumberlandOutdoorsman
Good idea to video short-barrel 22LR handguns using different ammo brands. More power to you!! Thank you!!
Thank you for all the gun fun on testing. Anyone who has ever set at a bench and shot various guns and ammunition to compare preferences knows how much time, money and skill it takes to try and be as constant as possible . I (we) do appreciate you hard work ( fun ) in doing these tests. To be fair to yourself you should record all your findings for future reference. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Christina. I am so glad you liked the video. I'll be posting some more on this topic using other brands and loads.
Good old 40gr high velocity Lead RN or copper washed round noses are hard to beat …
Most important things to consider about any SD ammo , especially 22lr
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2. Accuracy
2. Penetration
Thank you for the VERY informative video on several 22lr rounds. I don’t carry the 22lr for self defense but for a survival situation, it’s awesome. You can actually afford to shoot the ammo to practice and it’s much better than it gets credit for. I’m subscribing to your channel. Thanks again!
I truly appreciate all of your support. More .22 content coming soon.😊
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I’m from S.W. Pa. I’m an old ridge-runner and love the videos that you post. You’re a wealth of knowledge and experience that I can appreciate. Thanks so much for what you do sir. 😊
Great review indeed. I use a Glock 19 with a .22lr conversion for CC...It is super light, super accurate and follow up shots are very easy to perform. The key for .22lr for self defense is to shoot at least 5 shots focused on one critical area to make up for the effectiveness of a higher caliber. Having said that, it is absolutely possible to do that without losing focus or detraction from recoil of a higher caliber use.
I love the 22 cartridge and ever since I was a kid I bought and shot my rifle, a Winchester model 62A, my grandfather gave me that for my 12th birthday in June 1960, prior to that I learned to shoot with a Stevens single shot that was my dads and later my younger sister used the Stevens in a 4H shooting club, great hours of fun with my 22's, I still have the Winchester today aand this is 62 years later
Let me tell you...this is a first class video. Probably the most explicit one I've seen.
I really liked it. You did your homework very well.
Thank you for taking the time to do this video. Great job. Very informative...and you didn't ramble on and on. Outstanding.
Thanks much for sharing I appreciate your time and knowledge
Its funny how some people say the
.22 is no good for defense, it will punch a hole in a human skull with ease and you can shoot a .22 a whole lot faster than any other caliber. There's a story I heard that in WWll a bunch of cadet kids held off several squads of Germans at their military school for days with only .22 rifles, the Germans had to hunker down and wait for some tanks to take the school, .22s can be very very useful.
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I’ve done the same tests from a 4” barrel revolver!
The ammo is really a personal choice but between Federal Punch and Velocitor some days I load and Mini Mags !
Great test you did !
Thanks, glad you approve.
I am a retired County Correctional Officer and was firearms certified within my first six months on the job. First duty weapon was a Smith and Wesson revolver model 10 /38cal ammo. Second weapon was Sig Sauer 2340/ 40 cal x 3 12 round magazines. Third weapon was Glock17 gen5/ 9mm. Personally shot many wheel guns and pistols at the ranges but due to rising costs of ammo shoot 22 cal mostly. This review was very interesting and well done! Thanks I'm now subscribed .
I really like the series on the 22 lr. cartridge and guns. Very informative with meaning demonstrations. My admiration for this diminutive cartridge started from a very young age and hasn’t diminished. It really is an excellent round for small game, target shooting and recreational use. And like you stated if you have nothing else it can definitely be an effective weapon.
I'm in alaska I Cary a 454 ....however I like you're optimistic outlook great video.......kevin k
Well YEAH!! YOU have up to 1000 lb 2 leggers that will EAT you!! Not so much down here in the lower 48.. (with a few exceptions) LOL!! I'd carry a cannon too under those conditions!!
Up there maybe good for a "back up" to your RPG.
Kudos on yet another great video. Love your .22 Series. You've done a masterful job presenting a most controversial topic most noncontroversially! While the first choice of very few for defense, a .22 in the brain pan or center of mass beats a .500 S&W in the ear lobe (or home in the safe). Markmanship and celerity vincit omnia. A long career in law enforcement has demonstrated that the .22, if not the best choice, remains a frequent one and often effective. Badguys find being shot most disconcerting and most try to relocate immediately to avoid taking any round.
An S&W Kit Gun 4" or a Beretta 71 are my current favorites for 'not there 'til needed' rimfires. I like Velocitors and CCI Small Game bullets. As with you, these handguns have proven effective on small game (up to raccoons so far). Again, appreciation for your work. Pax
Wow! I truly enjoyed reading your comment. Thanks for your service as a law enforcement officer.
I agree, the sound of any gun firing at you will put almost anyone retreating & certainly being hit with a 22 will! It can definitely be effective, i believe more people have been killed with the 22 than any other caliber. They definitely have been proven effective!
Did a REAL GOOD JOB putting this together. I also believe .22LR is good enough for self defense. It's all about shot placement by the shooter. The round can do it . One suggestion for next time ..... would like to know the velocity just prior to entering the water jugs. Then, also, when posting the accuracy ... listing what you got for velocity and then list the Mfg claimed velocity on the target.
As for bear stories .... out west here .... the bears wt >500#. Grizzly are just a little bit more cantankerous than Black's. We normally carry Spray & a Side arm. Spray for Down-Wind attacks ans Side arm for Up-wind attacks.
A very revealing test. While they all had their own merits, day in day out I believe I’ll stick with my old standbys, the Stingers and the Mini Mags. Both showed strong impact and good expansion. I would not want to get hit with any of them. From a personal defense standpoint, while a larger caliber would be more efficient, multiple hits with a .22 can be devastating, as demonstrated by your bear story. I would like to see some results using the .22 Magnum. I have a nice little Taurus 8-shot revolver that I used to frequently carry while deer hunting and came in handy dispatching a few deer that weren’t quite finished. Great to see you back at the bench!!!!
I once owned a Ruger Super Single Six in both .22LR and .22 magnum. Wish I still had it. That would make a fine test gun to make a comparison video. As always thanks for your informative input, you have always been a wonderful part of this channel as well as a good friend.
Appreciate all the time and work you put into this video. I carry a 9mm and a 22lr. Most of my self-defense practice time is shooting 22lr. That experience carries over to 9mm shooting. I use the Velocitor in my Ruger sr22 EDC.
Recommend a Lucky Gunner video. They spoke with two factory Federal ammo experts. It doesn't talk specifically abt 22lr. But does discuss the choice of caliber.
Also, you may know abt Greg Ellifritz study of different calibers used for self-defense. He included 22lr.
Many thanks for a well done video.
I sleep above my bed with a 22 mag and I sleep well 0n the wife side 380 we sleep well
I totally agree 👍 22lr is a lot better than nothing it will do the job I wouldn't want to get hit with any of them and I like the punch the best
That was as thorough a test of 22lr ammo that I have ever seen!Super informative and proof that 22lr can be an effective self defence. I own a Rughe wrangler which would be very close in perfor to that Charter 6 shooter!mance
Thanks for the nice comment. I decided to test the Charter Arms Pathfinder with a six inch barrel because I often carry it, and I figured it would give me a bit better performance than a 2 or 3 inch barrel.
Thank you for posting a very informative video in support of 22LR bullets. A friend of mine has a German- made Walther PP and a TPH both chambered for 22LR. He is using CCI Stinger rounds that has been proven highly efficient and reliable. More power to you sir!!!!
Thanks for your support.
Your friend is a lucky owner of those two models . Envy.
Real gun collector's blued steel models that were made in West Germany before reunification with East Germany. Thanks for appreciating!
Great testing on some of the better 22 loads out there. Although I use center fire rounds for personal protection, I would not hesitate to use a 22 with these loads in a personal defense situation. I do like the Punch ammo as it is very accurate out of my 22 revolvers as well as my CZ rifle. Thanks again and have a great day.
Yes, I wish my guns would have done better accuracy wise because I really like the "Federal Punch".
Can’t believe this guy dry fired his charter arms 22LR revolver. Besides that, this was the most thorough 22LR review I’ve ever seen. Period.
yes I cringed when I saw that. I had a .22 LR Ruger single six that was destroyed by my brothers with being dry fired by them. Never dry fire any gun as it is damaging to the firing pin as well as the chamber.
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I get the fear, however modern combat firearms and most other quality firearms are designed to allow limited or extensive dry firing.
33 years shooting
21 years professional shooting
6 years combat/deadly force experience
Charter Arms revolvers are historically well known to come with free floating copper beryllium firing pins. The company has stated in the past that they are unbreakable. Meaning that they are safe to dry fire, Hmmm. However I seriously doubt that this applies to their rimfire guns.
Excellent testing. Thanks for the public service!
You are quite welcome. I love making these videos.
I have seen deer taken with .22 lr. Also coyotes and smaller game.
You have just sold me on buying a Sidekick 9 shooter, CCI Mini Mag and Federal Punch ammo. Great Testing !
The H&R Sidekick is an American classic. I think you will be pleased with it.
I really like the looks of that Ruger
I am very partial to a 22 weapon, both handgun and rifle. I have one of those Ruger semi's and am truely impressed with your tests. This was a very comprehensive comparison. Thanks !
This is a very informative and useful video! Thanks for the in depth study.
Great video! Thanks for your obvious effort in putting together this video. Very informative on what the 22 lr is capable of. Good ammo is certainly available today for this popular caliber.
Thank You for a great job in showing us just how effective those little 22 long rifle ammunition can be in both revolvers and simi automatics pistols. Really liked the bear story, where it has to tell all of us a lot about just what we really have in our little 22's. Thank you again and this video was very instructive besides. You did a great job informing all of us!!!
Not first choice for self defense, better than I thought the rounds would do. Gives me new respect for the 22 round
anything can be used for self defense 💯this is life not a dream
I’ve read shooting articles for years , one of my favorites was Jim Carmichael who wrote a shooting column for , I think Sports Afield not completely sure , that every species of North American big at one time or another had been killed with a .22 rifle .
Very good test! You proved why I carry Velocitor in EDC!
My limited experience has shown some pistols have preferences. CCI Stingers being a favorite of a Ruger I had at the time.
I really appreciate you making this video, very very informative. Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
All good ammo. I like Stinger and Punch.
Excellent ammunition choice and testing comparison. I couldn't have picked a better choice of "available .22LR ammunition" for testing or done a more thorough comparison in different target mediums. Thanks again.
Awesome. I have the same set up with the Charter Arms. It was my first pistol purchase in 1983. Love it with the leather holster.
I appreciate your passion for nice, classic 22 lr's....I enjoy them as well..... great video. Well done, sir
Wow! Extremely well done and informative. Like you, I most often end up with a 22lr handgun at my side when on an outdoor adventure. I run either Minimags or Stingers. Thanks to your presentation I now know my ammo choices are okay. Please keep up the good work. I enjoy all of your videos.
Fine Job there young man!
Thanks. I'm glad you found some useful information.
Very good testing!👍 I enjoyed your story also!. I carry a .22 a lot in the summer with 11 rounds, i switched to the federal ammo too. Sometimes i carry the 22 on the ankle, 380 lcp in the pocket & a 9 or a 45 appendix; when its not hot anyway. But i too feel comfortable with my 22. Important things are good reliable ammo, mine seems more reliable with the punch than others, & being accurate & quick with it!
I've heard of people killing bears with 45s but the 22 is crazy. Glad he had the tube fed Marlin! I have one too.
Thanks for your comments. I'll be doing alot more testing with various calibers in upcoming videos.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman great, you did a good job & was very detailed & thorough!👍
I would also like to add that some people with arthritis or hand problems or people who have trouble with recoil or noise of larger calibers would definitely be served well by .22 LR or .22mag . Definitely better than just your bare hands or going unarmed
Not many remember back in early 90's but CCI made some 22 lr called mini mag +V . I think there was some type of lawsuit ?? But they stopped producing it. It was a hot round!!
I vaguely remember that. Thanks for sharing. Maybe I'll find some at the local gun shows.
If I recall correctly it had a longer case than the spec for .22lr. That would cause issues with some firearms.
Very helpful demonstrations. Suggestion: do all experiments each in same order of ammo. Taking notes, I had to jump around in my notes to each ammo you tested.
Outstanding review! Your format was perfect and it was the exact information I was looking for.
excellent video. very impressive, that Stinger. accuracy test, again very impressive. i carry the LCP ll semi-auto. with the accuracy test, all the rounds were darn close together, i prefer the Lone Ranger(Federal Punch)bullet, but that Stinger really packs a punch. i have really arthritic hands, i can handle a 38, but with my 22, i can put 3-4 rounds on target much faster and better than felt recoil from a bigger caliber. again, great video, really informative.
Thanks. Nicely said, and on point.
I also own a charter arms 22 Lr I believe is an 8 shot revolver 6” barrel SS . and a 21A Bob Cat Beretta and a 10/22 Ruger rifle. All fine shooters.
Those little Charter Arms guns are in my opinion under-rated, yet well made guns.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman : they certainly are !
Good video, and thank you for all your efforts and sharing in this video. By the way quite the bear story. I bet he was one happy camper for saving his momma's life !!!
I know I would be! I wish I could remember what kind of ammo he was using.
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman selective answering huh ?
You don't realize how many questions I get. I have over 2 million views on my channel, and I simply can't get to all of them. Aside from that I could not spend any time responding to comments this past week because my wife is in the hospital being treated for bacterial meningitis. I took a couple hours of time to come home and check on things when I read your comment. I'll try to respond when things get better.@@ACommenterOnRUclips
@@CumberlandOutdoorsman 2 million views are irrelevant.
You got 608 comments in this video. yes some are comments and some are honest questions from the viewers that are not being answered.
I get it, if you are too busy then don't respond to ANY ....
But if you scroll down 608 comments and you ONLY reply to 1 person, and that 1 comment was a compliment, it makes you look like you are only replying to those that praise you or your video.
The way my brain works or the way i see it, i either make time to respond to all 608 or i don't reply to ANY of them OR i just shut the comment section OFF so that people cant leave any questions because people come on here to either learn or get YOUR opinion and when you don't reply, it looks bad IMO.
Every video i watch, i scroll down MOST of the comments to see if the OP responds to any of the comments, and if he/she DOES and i have a question or comment, i will post it and hope they respond.
But as a good majority of the comments i scroll down, i find it very funny that the OP usually ONLY responds to those comments which bring praise while leaving the other hundred left open.
It is what it is and you do you.
Happy New year and prayers 🙏 that your wife gets better
The fact that I am responding to your comment is proof that I don't only respond to praise. I usually respond to comments as they are sent to my email. That may be why it looks so random. Sorry if you were somehow put off by my response, but the fact is I have many more videos to respond to. I am not selectively choosing to ignore any one single person. If I think I can help someone in any way by responding, then I do. Yes I have 608 comments on this video, but there is simply not enough time to answer all of them.@@ACommenterOnRUclips
Great, detailed, and straight forward video, feels like I've attended a ballistic university, "Thank you Sir"!!!
That bear needed to go, he was unafraid of humans and aggressive. I have a Buck Mark, with a 5.5in barrel, I believe so this video was very helpful, thanks. I am a senior with a very bad back and pain so .22 is easier for me, not so much to conceal carry but fun to shoot and keep close at home or for critters and practice. I also have a .22 rifle so convenient. I also have an old Mauser .32 acp, it is great but ammo not so cheap like .22. Thanks for the effort you put into this video, will be watching more, subscribed.
I have now we seen a more thorough review of the performance and potential of .popular 22 LR cartridges for self defense! Great job! 😎👍
The Lucky Gunner has a video from 2 or 3 years ago on small caliber defense (mouse guns). In it is an interview with Claude Werner. Mr. Werner makes the point that civilian use of a firearm is much different than law enforcement use of a firearm, in that the goal of the civilian is to stop the threat, and to break contact, whereas law enforcement's goal is apprehension. It is quite an interesting point, you may want to watch it.
Thanks for the Claude Werner reference. Watched it. Also Lucky Gunner interview with ammo designers/testers at Federal ammo factory. Werner has current posts on his site. Federal ammo guys claimed caliber disputes are mostly irrelevant. Modern ammo & pistols are all capable of self-defense. I often carry a Ruger sr22, 4" barrel; with CCI Velocitor or Stinger ammo. Very reliable, very fast & very accurate.
Good thorough comparison. I don't think I've ever that can deal with a couple minimag rounds in the forehead or eye socket. My Ruger #1is a super dependable and accurate pistol. Wow helluva story killing a "bear?" With 22 LR..
yea people want to talk crap about 22's but not 1 single person would volunteer to take a round of 22LR ....
My brother in law's buddy said that 22's are pathetic and weak and will just piss you off, i said go ahead and stand by that target and let me send you a few rounds and you come back to me and let me know how pist off you are ...
Beretta 21a my summer pocket carry. Loaded with CCI Mini Mags, Velociters or Stingers.
My gun runs reliably with Remington Yellowjackets as well, another hot round
Greg Ellifritz of Active Response Training posted an excellent essay on carrying a .22 as EDC from the perspective of a retired LEO and his thoughts on carrying for defense versus carrying as an LEO. I agree with the points he brings up. I recently dusted off a three .22 handguns I’ve had since college and shot a lot. Two of them are Beretta Bobcats. I have discovered that the Bobcats don’t like the .22 Punch, and performance with the Winchester .22 Silvertip is less than stellar. Bobcat sights are figments of the imagination for eyes approaching 60 so trying to group with one of those things with sights is practically futile. Punch groups out of a .22 Masterpiece at 15 yards wasn’t very impressive. I checked out a Ruger LCP.22 the other day at a shop, liked the sights and the trigger, am going to give it some consideration. S&W J-frames and Ruger LCRs are also worthy of consideration. When years of .357 Magnum and 180 grain .40 has taken its toll and contributed to already hereditary arthritis, there’s no shame in relying on a .22. It may take a magazine or cylinder to get the point across that the law abiding person packing a .22 for self defense just wants to go about unmolested and unharmed.
I carry a Ruger sr22, 4.5 in, using the Velocitor. There's some juvenile macho posturing abt using 22lr for self-defense. Bad guys aren't looking for gunfights. They want easy, unarmed victims. Shots on target will often discourage them.
Have read Greg Ellifritz report on different calibers. The 22lr performed very well.
Thanks for the good comparison, it’s nice to be able to retrieve the slugs, see the results.
I’m 70, and EDC a couple different 22’s. One a beretta bobcat 21a.
The other an S&W air weight 351c 22 mag
I like pocket carry and feel confident with either and think they’re dependable
Thanks. I need to test the .22 mag sometime.
Thanks for the tests. I actually took notes and will try not all, but some I will like the federal 'punch', and the CCI 'velocitor'.
I’m strongly considering getting a Sig 322. Either 20 or upcoming 25 rounds of 22 lr should convince any bad actor that easier prey is available elsewhere… A couple rounds in the noggin should suffice to put a man down.. So Sig 322 with a red dot it is.
1st time I've seen a video of yours. Very very well done! 👏 informative, eye opening and entertaining. Thanks 😊 for doing it. I have subscribed.
Me too, I hit the subscribe button because I liked the content and presentation.
What a great video, and the story about your friend was great! Thanks.
Thank you so much for this very informative video. It is very helpful with my choice and use of 22lr ammo
Thanks, and glad it was helpful for you.
Really enjoyed you work here.
exellent video,thank you,22lr is my favorite round.i down other calibers but by far i enjoy the 22lr my best performer is the tauras tx 22lr. i also carry a ruger lcp 22 lr.thanks
Great Video, Held my attention and saved me a lot of work. Thank You!
Great video! Appreciate it very much and your time in making it. Thanks