I have a small property maintenance business and do all my equipment maintenance. Thank you for all the tips and tricks; they have saved me🤑from coughing up big bucks at the dealers. I noticed that you must be getting tired of the negative comments. These are people who probably don't even work on equipment, so try not to let them get to you.
Helicoils have been around a long time and work fine. My preferred threaded hole repair is Time Sert now, but Helicoils still work. Time Serts are solid and mechanically lock into the hole, especially when Loctite is used on the outer threads. Plus, Time Serts are available for tapered seat spark plugs. I know most small engines don’t use tapered seat plugs, but almost all cars and trucks do now. Great video, as always!
I did a spark plug related repair on a Kawasaki klx140 in my pitbike shop. Used a great product called Timesert to repair the threads. BTW from watching this channel gave me the confidence to open my own shop. Although mine is pitbikes not lawn equipment. Thanks Taryl
Time Sert is the next repair level for stripped Helicoil. If you use Time Sert first, you expend one repair possibility for your part. After Time Sert there usually is no room left for another repair level on modern equipment.
I have done similar repairs for years. I enjoyed watching this as you make it entertaining yet down to earth. The only suggestion I have for you is to use a socket with a short extension and a ratchet instead of a cresent wrench. Using the socket method allows you to use 2 hands to hold the force in a circler motion. A cresent wrench puts a side pressure causing the easy out to want to come out. Probably a bigger tip I have is to buy the sockets that are made to fit on the taps . They have the square drive deep inside to drive the taps. Once you use them, you will never want to use a cresent wrench to turn a tap . They also allow you start a tap using a extension and a ratchet to align and put inward pressure to help start the tap. Also a time saver.
In the late sixties and early seventies I worked for a VW dealer and installed helicoils in spark plug holes about three times a month. They were caused by owner tune-ups (over tightening) and carboned up threads in turn cause by not so bright mechanics putting oil on the threads on the spark plugs prior to installing (they thought it would make the plug come out easier.) I did them exactly like you did with the grease on drill bit and tap, never had one problem. Funny story: We were paid by the hour and I loved these frozen plugs because the engine had to be pulled from the vehicle for the use of a drill and tap. Most thought it a pain for such a small job and did not like doing them. Then the shop went to flat rate. I bought a 3/8 inch 90 degree drill and did them without pulling the engine but getting paid for it. I loved them twice as much.
Brother, I'm with you there. I worked at several foreign car shops in the 70s and installed more than a few. Case-savers, too. If someone wanted a rebuild, I would tell them case savers were part of the deal to keep those long head bolts from pulling out.
I had this happen on my VW in that time frame. The car was new to me and at that time I took it to mechanics. on the 2nd tune up and mechanic, he found the welded spark plug issue. He explained the issue as the plugs had been switched back and forth between Bosch and American plugs, which had different thread profiles, although the same thread. He said if you want it done right, the heads get taken to a machine shop for Heli coils. I had gotten to know him before this, so, he sold me an engine he had been building for himself at a very low price. I asked but what are you going to do with my old engine? He had someone who just wouldn't listen and didn't have the good sense not to say unfair disparagements about him. So, he sold it to the clown after explaining the problem and the correct way to deal with it. Of course, not listening to sage advice from a very well respected mechanic and tuner, the new owner used a 6 foot pipe on a breaker bar resulting in tearing out chunks... Lesson learned for me but I really wonder about the other guy.
@@markchase5323 I was a Porsche / VW mechanic in the early 80s and it was the sharp, pointy shape of Champion spark plug threads causing the problem. The Champion threads cut right into the soft aluminum of the heads. Bosch plugs had the rounded thread shape matching the threads of spark plug holes and were never an issue in or out.
Couple tips, heat the head up and then immediately hit the broken plug with freon, before you turn the engine over stick a magnet in their and grab as much as you can if anything, stick a smaller hose that will fit through the spark plug hole on a Shop-Vac and suck what you can out of there, then spin the motor over without the spark plugs in there, magnetic and vacuum it again and then spin it over while you're blowing it out, that's about the best way to get any shrapnel out of there and then hope for the best, good work though, I appreciate the info, May the force be with you and start it up start it up start it up!!
Yeah I’ve done the magnet & the shop vac w/ the tiny thin attachment. It going over to the other cylinder it wouldn’t have done the trick though. You never know if you got a strong seal my dewalt shopvac can pick up a brick so it may have pulled the igniter Back over and out
That's because the Heli-coil is made out of stainless or spring steel which is very hard. Also, they are usually installed in a softer metal, like aluminum. 👍
I must say, this has to be the most incredible video real live action on resolving a problem that most of us experience and try different methods that fail but dont give up and keep tryin . Sometimes I really wonder if anyone else goes through this and now I know! Most videos show the result but not how they got to that point in the interimine. That is what I like about you , your one of us. Great work !
Taryl just knows how to fix this JUNK and it takes a Master Mechanic with experience and "Common-Sense" to fix it. Many thanks to Taryl on one of my favorite Channels!
@ezl8002 he fixed it so well that the engine will need a lot more work to fix the engine to continue mowing another lawn. He should have removed the head to work on the spark plug removal!
@@peacepoet1947 Possibly. He was trying to save the customer some money. Doing what he did, in fact did save the customer money. I had a similar situation with a car engine, and it pounded the piston, and the engine lasted for another 150,000 miles, then I sold the vehicle and it was running fine when I sold it. That engine can still run a lot of hours
@bertgrau3934 you're saying that you smashed the pieces of a spark plug into the combustion chamber of your vehicle engine? Saving the customer money. He ended up having to remove both heads instead of one. I would not want you working on my vehicle!
@peacepoet1947 That happened on my car. I pulled the heads and took the broken pieces out. Even though there were a few small nickes in the piston. Like I said the engine ran fine after I removed the broken parts out. I really wouldn't care what you think. The guy that bought the car was happy with it and that was in 22 when he bought it and still driving it.
I’ve been a Taryl fan since the beginning but I’m gonna have to call him out on this one. That electrode finding its way into the intake then the other cylinder was because of what he did. He should’ve made sure the cylinder was at TDC on compression before blowing out the cylinder to make sure the valves were closed for exactly that reason. I’ve personally done plenty of helicoils in small engine heads with the head on but this was a unique situation so I would’ve pulled the head first thing. I’ll explain, when drilling an aluminum head, I’m not too worried if a chip or two doesn’t get blown out right away. But in this case he’s drilling the remaining steel threads of the plug as well which could do more damage to things like valves and seats. I also don’t use grease on my drill bit when drilling. I use a light oil. If chips do get in the cylinder (they will) it’s easier to blow them out with a light oil on them instead of a grease that makes them much more sticky. Yes, this was a common problem with early 3valve 5.4s but you certainly make sure the valves are closed when doing those for the same reason.
At the 3:00 mark (on the video), you will see an object that's in the dead center of the broken spark plug. "You can't just take an EZ-OUT and hammer it into the center of that hole without removing that piece." That's how the broken porcelain piece of the center electrode, along with the broken metal electrode itself, actually got into the combustion chamber of that cylinder in the first place. The bigger porcelain pieces were still in there after he blew any possible metal chips out. That's how the 2nd spark plug got destroyed, as well. Then either, when he blew the cylinder out the first time, before the second new spark plug got put in or the second time when the 3rd new spark plug got put in, that's when the broken metal center electrode made its way thru the intake manifold to the other side and eventually into the other cylinders combustion chamber by getting sucked into it past the other intake manifold when it was running. Like you said: "the piston he was working on should have been at TDC so it would have been sealed properly. Instead, the intake valve was probably wide open when he was blowing it out with the air gun." Makes sense to me. ~ 😐
@@richardtalbot5810 yep. All’s well that end’s well, but the damage to both cylinders/heads were probably due to the pieces that he originally dislodged.
You are correct. The only way for that electro to make the trip to the other cylinder was because of the compressed air he was pumping into the spark plug hole with the intake valve open. No other way that electrode is gonna make the trip.
I just can’t believe the aluminum didn’t crack. I’ve had many people turn spark plugs too tight and crack the head. I also had an oil filter once that broke off at the nipple and the whole crank cover had to be replaced.
Yep. You can see this developing from the point, where he's tapping that center electrode you can see through the camera - but that's the camera view - he probably didn't see it and therefore made this mistake. Anyhow - i know, small engine, small margin, tough business. I only do them for myself nowadays. And i don't mind the extra half a mile to unbolt the head on any small engine - it makes work so much easier - and it's so easy compared to today's real engines, that i don't mind that little bit of extra work, which in most cases evens out in the end anyhow, not at all. Another possible reason for such mistakes - either you produce a video or you concentrate on your repair. Very hard to do both.
You are a true Grass Rat Mechanic !! That spark plug removal and diagnosis is top notch! This is kinda rare to see a spark plug do that, but as equipment is be manufactured from other places, this accordance is going to happen a little more often. Excellent JOB TARYL! 👍
I called two automotive shops to ask if they replaced headgaskets on a small block Chevy 350 they said they didn't mess with those I died laughing. I was like, "Then how are you guys mechanics. Myself being 35 with a 1971 C10, got off my ass and learned it myself, and I will be posting pictures on the reviews of their shops showing that they could not help me with such a simple task that I now know how to do myself.
Another site, Pxxxxxx Farm, did a thread repair video. Indeed Heli Coil and those type of inserts are stronger than the orignal threads. Great repair. Old school!
Hey Mr T, just wanted to comment here. I enjoy playing with engines, small ones, hit and miss, antique tractors, old cars and just stuff. I have used heli coils for decades and usually, unless for other reasons, never pulled the heads. On old equipment, you often see sparkplugs rotted and busted off. New heads are oftentimes not even an option so something like Heli coil is ideal. I also use some of those little very powerful mmagnets, put them closest to the end of the bit and you'll be amazed at chip collecting even without the grease. The grease is exra protection, makes sense to me, so I'll start using it too when needed. Good point thanks. Now, I won't tell you the cringe I got with the Crescent wrench. Cheap investments are regular "T" type tap wrenches. You can apply even pressure, while the wrench closes down and captures the tap for easier and more accurate threading. You'll find much better starting with the proper handle. Blowing out the cylinder is proper and will remove near to everything in the jug, if not, it will be exhausted with violent force and be cleared of the engine. Great video Taryl.
Another alternative for easy-outs is to have a small set of 8 point sockets and use a ratchet handle. One hand to support the rachet head and the other on the handle. This provides as much control as a "T" handle but has more torque. (But for taps, only use "T" handles.) Could that (supporting the head with one hand and the other on the handle end) be done with the adjustable wrench in the vid? Yes, kinda, but it is sloppy and not as much control.
Taryl. Long Loyal viewer here. RUN! Don't walk away from the business. You wouldn't believe the 2 month journey I had to go on to get an unobtanium nylon spacer from Ryobi. it's simply not possible to buy this. And on top of it all it's a part designed to break if you hit a twig or anything. 800 bucks in the toilet because you just can't get the 1.49 part. Unfreakin real!!!
@@mestep511 My guy, you would not believe this tale. I wouldn’t believe it if I didn’t live it. Oh BTW just so everyone knows. Ryobi doesn’t make a fucking thing for the mower. Not even a sticker! A company called GardenCo does. Guess who is impossible to contact if you’re a consumer?? Ryobi gave me a verbal shoulder shrug and told me to go complain to GardenCo !!
@@waltkoschRyobi? Techtronic Industries Ryobi is owned by Techtronic Industries, a Hong Kong-based multinational engineering and technology company. Founded in 1985, Techtronic has evolved into one of the world's leading power equipment companies, owning several brands such as Milwaukee and Ryobi
@@Bailey-y9b Ryobi or techtronic does not manufacture any of the parts of the lawnmower. Don't believe me? Call them. The supplier is named GardenCo. Ryobi does not carry any parts for their "own" mower. And this is a 2021 mower. That the same exact model is still sold at home depot today.
I use a carvan insert in the few fords I've had to repair, they are far better than a regular heli-coil, carvan asks you to use a borescope to check inside the cyl to make sure there's no chunks in there. we us a very similar insert to repair vw engines in buggies, you need to tell everyone that ever replaces a plug in an aluminum head to put a little anti-seize on those threads. I do really enjoy the videos
The guy who invented the Heli Coil system is a genius. Who knows how many engines his invention saved. It took patience and experience to do this repair. My late neighbor who was a talented welder and handyman would call this repair an example of "bringing them back alive."
Hello Taryl: Aluminum and the grief it can cause with disimilar metals. Couple that with factory cross threadig and you have a plug that breaks when you try to remove it. Removal with extraction tools often works well. When you get one like the one in the video it is not fun. I try to just drill in increassing incraments until you can see the original thread material and the head material junction point. Then if your both lucky and carefull you can start cleaning the thread with a small chissel. Once the bottom of the original thread apppears I use a tap to chase the thread completley. It is a slow process. I have also broken both easy outs and taps in the damaged thread hole. Really not fun when that happens. Keep the videos coming. Your viewers can learn a lot if they want to.
My guess is that someone cross threaded the spark plug when installing it. I had one come in earlier this year (wife brought it in), and said he tried to do his own tune-up. Once you break the spark plug loose with a socket, it should easily unscrew with your fingers. When it doesn't, you know what happened. We have to Heli-Coil a spark plug hole every few months. Welding the bolt to what was left of the spark plug was a great idea. I thought that was going to work. Nice save!
My Dad had a 82 Nissan Stanza which had a spark plug brake off just like this one did and I had to drill it out and tap the threads, I was in my 20's learning how to work on cars. When I was done hours later everything was fine. I've never heard of a plug doing that before or since. But thank God It all worked out ok
I've heard of installing a Helicoil in vehicle engines, too. I have never installed one, but it was the only option here, and now I know how to do it if I ever have to. Wow, then dealing with all spark plug crumbs. Great job, Taryl. You saved replacing the head.
You shared your struggle and mistake, that's good character Sir. You didn't have to share it to the world, respect. Monday morning quarterbacking, inspection scopes are pretty cheap now, and handy.
Good video as always. A trick to blowing out the cylinder is using a small really flexible tube rather than the rigid air tube. The flexible tube let's it whip around and blow around the "corners" where the rigid tube can't get to also helps to dislodge.
Another tool to have in your arsenal is a set of left-hand drill bits. I have a cobalt set. A lot of times, as the drill is taking material away, it will spin the broken part out before it's all the way through.
Dancing that jig after the repair was the highlight of the video. Thanks for the repair tips, which I doubt will ever be anything I would do but the entertainment factor was great.
Worked as mechanic in frozen foods industry and we used a ease out kit that had left hand drill bits so as you drilled out broken bolts and many times the bit would grab the bolt and they would unscrew the broken bolt! Saved a lot of time and equipment!
Came to this channel to figure out my old 1970's 5269G Lawn Boy - somehow I'm still here a year later loving all your vids and learning more about engines than I ever thought I'd know. The knowledge is top notch, and the props and comedy make all the difference for what's a really dry subject on some of those "other" channels. Speaking of which, is there any way to recondition an ignition coil? I can't find one for my baby.
It blows my mind how much you remind me of my uncle Jake Williams it's crazy I watch you and reminds me of all these old times with him.thank you keep up the good work
EXCELLENT!!! Tarrel is a mechanic's, mechanic... His values need to be emulated throughout the industry because he's old school. And absolutely fantastic!!! And there is your dinner. 👍👍👍
yep, shortcuts that fail and cause damage to move over to the good cylinder, improperly using taps, etc... Professional hack. He would have been time and damage ahead to pull that head first thing before he ever tried to get that spark plug out. Now, even though he finally got it out, he's got 2 banged up pistons and cylinder heads to show for trying to do it the easy way.
@@BKD70 Evidently you must be partially Or fully unable to hear. That's clear because you were not listening. The job scope Was to remove the spark plug. Additionally, in the short period of time that he ran the machine, Tarryl did NOT cause extensive damage TO EITHER CYLINDER HEAD. Based on your remarks, it is clear that you completely missed the points of the video. Because it's clear that you have a learning disability, I suggest you RE-LISTEN to the video or just READ THE TRANSCRIPT. Did you not hear that Several shops were unable to correctly diagnose and solve the problem other than by completely Disassembling the machine to begin with? And of course, who would have suspected that parts of the spark plug traveled throughout the system Which then, not only contaminated the muffler, but also the opposing cylinder head. I guess the big question for you is did you have the entire video muted or perhaps you are from another country and do not understand english. But, in any case you clearly do not understand what took place. Another question that logically arises for you is what are you doing watching these videos when you clearly don't understand what is being said or why the mechanic is doing what he is doing. I think you had the wrong channel, and perhaps you were trying to get to Mr. Bill's preschool videos???
@@BKD70 Monday morning quarterbacks are always right. Of course they don't actually DO themselves, because they don't have the ability. And your comments have no relevance when it comes to break even analysis. Of course you don't know what those words mean, because you are a monday morning quarterback. A talking head. Lots of talking heads, But nearly all have the ability to DO anything. Keep on going monday morning quarterback. Maybe one day you'll be a professional quarterback too, ha ha ha ha. 🤣
@@BKD70 more than you will ever know. It must be hard being you speculating without any evidence, and not being able to do for yourself when it comes to these type of repairs. It must be hard being you.
A lot of times what causes them to break off is someone putting never-seize on the threads with good intentions…but it actually creates a situation where the plug goes in too easy and when they torque it down hard it breaks below as it’s actually over torqued. Good video! Sometimes success comes after a bit more effort 😉👍
I was surprised that you didn't use an endoscope after blowing out the repaired cylinder to make sure all of the debris was out. But I would have never expected debris to travel from one cylinder to the other. I have learn alot watching your videos through the years and the plus is having a chuckle or two as well.
He could have had that cylinder head off in 10 minutes, and contained all the damage to the 1 cylinder... but instead took the shortcut that eventually ended up in sending the damage over to the other cylinder also. I lost a lot of respect in his ability with this video. Shoddy workmanship from the word go on this one.
@@hillbillyholler516 I hear ya, why the struggle fumbling with a crescent wrench making it very difficult to align the tap to the hole and apply pressure allowing you to cut new threads, a tap socket on a ratchet with extension makes this much much easier is all.
And yes TARYL I've worked on those kind of twin cylinder engines by Briggs and Stratton before. For future reference always remove the head that has the broken spark plug in it. And it leads to having to replace and put new Head gaskets and intake gaskets. You caught it just in time. It will work just fine now again.
We have a set of left hand drill bits, for just this occasion. Sometimes the drill is enough to back the item out, and if not it drills the hole for the tap
I Left flute drilled a broken rocker arm cover bolt on my brother-in-laws car while he was watching. When the drill bit caught the broken thread and backed it right out my brother -in-law liked to fall over w/ relief. Great tools make work easier. ben/ michigan
There's a ceramic separator between the ground and the center electrode. If that gets smashed, as it will, how do you get the chips of ceramic out of the cylinder?
That's Why When I Replace Spark Plugs, I Have Parts Counter Cross Reference Plug To "NGK Plugs" Better Quality Plugs. After Seeing This Video, I'am Definitely Going To Change My Plugs On My $8,000 Kubota Zero Steer Mower. I Like Champion Spark Plugs, Are My Second Choice. I Also Coat Spark Plug Threads With Thin Layer Of "Permatex Anti Seize Lubrication". Also Use This Lubrication On Lug Nuts For Automobiles. Never Had One Losen On Equipment, Motorcycles or Automobiles By Vibrating Or During My Travels.
I do the homemade easy outs like that too but with left hand thread bolts. They can be hard to find though. You could also use left hand drill bits and grease to prevent shavings getting in there. Edit I see you did just that with the grease... Nicely done it's easy to tell you've been around a really long time. I love that you are teaching others these tricks that I learned from the old school mechanics I worked with. QSome jobs are just a nightmare. The way to tell the mechanic is a pro is when they get through each obstacle and finish the job.
I use torx sockets for easy outs. I hate the spiral flute ones because the harder you screw it in, the more it pushes the walls of the stuck bolt against the threads. Especially if you drill it and it has thinner walls.
Yes. They never work if the fastener is stuck because of something going on with the threads. They only work if something external caused a snap and the fastener can still spin. In those cases, a left-hand drill bit may get it out instead.
Can’t believe other shops wouldn’t attempt it . I had a Chevy S-10 with a V6 and same thing happened to the spark plug on the passenger side closest to the fire wall . I had to remove the passenger front tire , the inside wheel well , soak it in PB blaster overnight and had to fashion a beaker bar and with an easy out I finally got it out and I’m no mechanic, but it can be done.
I want to personally thank you for no foul language on your video's my 7 year old watches your channel with me on the big screen and I don't want him to pick up on anything bad at a vulnerable age, me and my little one will continue to watch your channel, you're making us proud my dear friend! Greetings from north Alabama!
This was one of the most interesting Taryl segments I’ve seen in a while. This was an oddity not too common for the average DIY guy. Thanks for the tutorial.
Here’s a tap that grabs the last few threads on the inside of the head normally spark plugs do not extend all the way through all the threads and if you have damaged threads, you use this tap and tap it from the inside out Nice tool to add to your toolbox Powerbuilt 14mm Back Tap Thread Repair Tool - 640811 2
Nice work Taryl. Everybody has their 2 cents and here is mine. I prefer the square easy outs. I think the put less outward pressure than the spiral type. Just like you mentioned. Also I think a 12 point socket over the easy with an impact gun, instead of a " croissant" would have helped. As it turned out it would not have made any difference !
Homeowner got a new impact wrench and figured he would use it to put in the spark plug. Cross threaded it and just kept giving it the full beans to get it in. Until it exploded, that is. That’s why you could not turn out the remnent. Of course, they are not going to admit that so “I don’t know what in the world happened to it.” And it is a non-mechanically inclined homeowner because they bought the one with the easy oil gimmick, which no one who understands engines would buy. I also agree that drilling out that plug hole will not ruin the engine. It’s not ideal, but any shards not extracted by the drill or captured in the grease would simply blow out the exhaust. The debris is on top of the cylinder. It’s debris below the cylinder that would eventually destroy the engine. Fine job with this! You went for the easier fix first.
High pitched voice, "It's not coming out Taryl" LOL You should have put this under 'Lawn mower Detectives'. So interesting about the Helio coil! and all around. Glad the Sheister actor is back, he's funny as heck.
Great video..very educational. I learned how to make an ez out ..I am sure that will come in handy in the future...thanks for taking the time to make the video
@@bentullett6068 Good idea, but spark plugs in an air cooled engine with the cylinder head fins eventually getting clogged by grass clippings and Fluffy's nests; the locktite won't do much. How do you remove a fastener installed with red locktite. Apply heat.
I bet someone tried to remove that plug with an air wrench and had it set for clockwise at high torque to break that plug. Me, I would have removed that head and worked on it in my vise. then I probably would’ve warped it and ended up replacing it anyway.
I like that you put parts that are good to go back on the machine. I bet a lot of shops wouldt put new heads on it by saying that they were not useable anymore. And offcourse thanks for a new skit. Allways funny.
Assembly line production where each person on the line has just a few seconds to do their job. "Cross thread? Not my problem. Over torque? Not my problem. I just get done in my few seconds what I can."
You're awesome...!!! I learned alot from watching your videos. As soon as I install an engine onto my 1550 compactor, I'm going to buy a shirt from ya, and hang it in my garage. Just because you're cool like that, and you helped my save $2,500.
Nice repair. Small bock Chevy engines 283, 327 were common for breaking exhaust valves back in the mid 1960's and it was not unusual to find parts of the broken valve from one head in a piston hole on the opposite side of the engine - would get sucked across via the intake runners.
Hi 👋 first I want to say is I enjoy ur videos 👍 I’m a tool & die maker / machinist and you done great on this repair 👍 Yes some will say but what about the chips inside the cylinder? Ya maybe there was some left but go chance they will blow out the exhaust. Good job buddy
Good video, A tap handle or square socket on a ratchet makes starting the tap straight much easier. This is where a bore scope would have come in handy.
Interesting the variation on the same theme . When I have one of these problems , after removing the broken plug I back off both rockers then bring the cylinder almost to TDC Then I fill the cylinder with some old 00 gearbox grease Then it is a reverse thread chaser to clean up the remains of the thread . Then if the thread is unuseable there is usually enough thread to start the dual thread TimeCert tapping tool . I use helicoils in a lot of places but prefer to use solid inserts for regions that have to be pressure tight I have regularly found the spark plug seat to also be damaged and to fix that a ground down a 3/4" end mill to be a close fit in the plug hole so I can face the plug seat with the end mill in a battery drill using a stepped down end mill holder . Then when finished it is crank the engine to expel the 00 grease , repeat with kerrosene . reset the valve lash .
I just figured it out about 14 minutes in... As soon as you found "fluffy." The nest blocked the cooling air and way overheated the head. I suspect that the aluminum may have actually melted a little and welded itself to the plug. Now I'll finish watching the video.
No way. There would have been a lot of other signs if the head had gotten that hot, and the weld to the plug would have been really weak to begin with.
Great Job Taryl, on repair. Yes, i own 2005 F150 with Triton 5.4 engine. Fords Dumb spark plug idea, Steel 2 piece plug in aluminum. Heads . So dumb changed plug 4 times over the years. Really tries your patience replacing when snap off. But i,m like you, divide and conquer. Win the Battle.
Taryl, the one thing that was not clear in this video was whether the distal end of the plug was still attached when the tractor came into your shop or whether there was an open hole in the center throgh which you could have passed a bore scope. I was wondering about that the entire time I was viewing. A bore scope exam before cranking would have also helped determine the condition of the piston and cylinder walls while also assuring no foreign bodies were in the combustion chamber. There are several possible explanations, but it is possible that the errant electrode made its way to the other side when you blew out the cylinder when installing the helix coil. If the piston was on the "suck" stroke when you blew air in there it's possible that the electrode got blown through the open intake valve and made it far enough into the intake manifold for it to get sucked to the other side when the engine was cranked. Not terribly likely but possible. But a quick look with a bore scope once an open passage to the combustion chamber was available could have facilitated matters immensely.
Went from blowing plugs out to not being able to get them out. At least the cam phasers, timing assembly, and roller followers are designed well….oh wait
Hey Tarly your thumb nail you appear to be such a vast intellectual, such a deep deep thinker, of the greatest problems concerning humanity today. Your fellow man owns you un limited gratitude
I have a small property maintenance business and do all my equipment maintenance. Thank you for all the tips and tricks; they have saved me🤑from coughing up big bucks at the dealers. I noticed that you must be getting tired of the negative comments. These are people who probably don't even work on equipment, so try not to let them get to you.
@@GrantMcdonald1964 I second this
Helicoils have been around a long time and work fine. My preferred threaded hole repair is Time Sert now, but Helicoils still work. Time Serts are solid and mechanically lock into the hole, especially when Loctite is used on the outer threads. Plus, Time Serts are available for tapered seat spark plugs. I know most small engines don’t use tapered seat plugs, but almost all cars and trucks do now.
Great video, as always!
I did a spark plug related repair on a Kawasaki klx140 in my pitbike shop. Used a great product called Timesert to repair the threads. BTW from watching this channel gave me the confidence to open my own shop. Although mine is pitbikes not lawn equipment. Thanks Taryl
Time Sert is the next repair level for stripped Helicoil.
If you use Time Sert first, you expend one repair possibility for your part.
After Time Sert there usually is no room left for another repair level on modern equipment.
I had a struggle on my F150 3.5 nightmare
I have done similar repairs for years. I enjoyed watching this as you make it entertaining yet down to earth. The only suggestion I have for you is to use a socket with a short extension and a ratchet instead of a cresent wrench. Using the socket method allows you to use 2 hands to hold the force in a circler motion. A cresent wrench puts a side pressure causing the easy out to want to come out. Probably a bigger tip I have is to buy the sockets that are made to fit on the taps . They have the square drive deep inside to drive the taps. Once you use them, you will never want to use a cresent wrench to turn a tap . They also allow you start a tap using a extension and a ratchet to align and put inward pressure to help start the tap. Also a time saver.
In the late sixties and early seventies I worked for a VW dealer and installed helicoils in spark plug holes about three times a month. They were caused by owner tune-ups (over tightening) and carboned up threads in turn cause by not so bright mechanics putting oil on the threads on the spark plugs prior to installing (they thought it would make the plug come out easier.) I did them exactly like you did with the grease on drill bit and tap, never had one problem. Funny story: We were paid by the hour and I loved these frozen plugs because the engine had to be pulled from the vehicle for the use of a drill and tap. Most thought it a pain for such a small job and did not like doing them. Then the shop went to flat rate. I bought a 3/8 inch 90 degree drill and did them without pulling the engine but getting paid for it. I loved them twice as much.
Brother, I'm with you there. I worked at several foreign car shops in the 70s and installed more than a few. Case-savers, too. If someone wanted a rebuild, I would tell them case savers were part of the deal to keep those long head bolts from pulling out.
Cross thread is natures lock tight
I had this happen on my VW in that time frame. The car was new to me and at that time I took it to mechanics. on the 2nd tune up and mechanic, he found the welded spark plug issue. He explained the issue as the plugs had been switched back and forth between Bosch and American plugs, which had different thread profiles, although the same thread. He said if you want it done right, the heads get taken to a machine shop for Heli coils. I had gotten to know him before this, so, he sold me an engine he had been building for himself at a very low price. I asked but what are you going to do with my old engine? He had someone who just wouldn't listen and didn't have the good sense not to say unfair disparagements about him. So, he sold it to the clown after explaining the problem and the correct way to deal with it. Of course, not listening to sage advice from a very well respected mechanic and tuner, the new owner used a 6 foot pipe on a breaker bar resulting in tearing out chunks... Lesson learned for me but I really wonder about the other guy.
@@markchase5323 I was a Porsche / VW mechanic in the early 80s and it was the sharp, pointy shape of Champion spark plug threads causing the problem. The Champion threads cut right into the soft aluminum of the heads. Bosch plugs had the rounded thread shape matching the threads of spark plug holes and were never an issue in or out.
I'm not sure I understand after pulling the heads that Teryl didn't cup brush the areas of head and piston.
Couple tips, heat the head up and then immediately hit the broken plug with freon, before you turn the engine over stick a magnet in their and grab as much as you can if anything, stick a smaller hose that will fit through the spark plug hole on a Shop-Vac and suck what you can out of there, then spin the motor over without the spark plugs in there, magnetic and vacuum it again and then spin it over while you're blowing it out, that's about the best way to get any shrapnel out of there and then hope for the best, good work though, I appreciate the info, May the force be with you and start it up start it up start it up!!
Great idea, love the magnet idea with the shop vac. Thanks.
Thanks for bringing up the shop vac with a small flexible hose, I've done it many times before for different reasons, works like a champ!!
Good ideas
Yeah I’ve done the magnet & the shop vac w/ the tiny thin attachment. It going over to the other cylinder it wouldn’t have done the trick though. You never know if you got a strong seal my dewalt shopvac can pick up a brick so it may have pulled the igniter Back over and out
I love when Taryl gets after the naysayers, some of the funniest stuff in these videos. Don’t doubt Mr. Dactal y’all.
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When I was in tech school, my teacher told the class that heli-coils make stronger threads than the original material. RIP WALT.
That’s interesting
That's because the Heli-coil is made out of stainless or spring steel which is very hard. Also, they are usually installed in a softer metal, like aluminum. 👍
@@ElectricBillAlbright that makes a lot of sense
This is what happens to me working on my own equipment. A 10-15 minute job turns into 2-4 hours lol. Blessings
Yep, that's pretty much how mine tend to go too.
2 days for me.
Yes has happened to me especially if I get in a hurry
I must say, this has to be the most incredible video real live action on resolving a problem that most of us experience and try different methods that fail but dont give up and keep tryin . Sometimes I really wonder if anyone else goes through this and now I know! Most videos show the result but not how they got to that point in the interimine. That is what I like about you , your one of us. Great work !
Nice job
Taryl just knows how to fix this JUNK and it takes a Master Mechanic with experience and "Common-Sense" to fix it. Many thanks to Taryl on one of my favorite Channels!
It must be a Hoosier thing?
@ezl8002 he fixed it so well that the engine will need a lot more work to fix the engine to continue mowing another lawn. He should have removed the head to work on the spark plug removal!
@@peacepoet1947
Possibly. He was trying to save the customer some money. Doing what he did, in fact did save the customer money. I had a similar situation with a car engine, and it pounded the piston, and the engine lasted for another 150,000 miles, then I sold the vehicle and it was running fine when I sold it. That engine can still run a lot of hours
@bertgrau3934 you're saying that you smashed the pieces of a spark plug into the combustion chamber of your vehicle engine? Saving the customer money. He ended up having to remove both heads instead of one. I would not want you working on my vehicle!
@peacepoet1947
That happened on my car. I pulled the heads and took the broken pieces out. Even though there were a few small nickes in the piston. Like I said the engine ran fine after I removed the broken parts out. I really wouldn't care what you think. The guy that bought the car was happy with it and that was in 22 when he bought it and still driving it.
I’ve been a Taryl fan since the beginning but I’m gonna have to call him out on this one.
That electrode finding its way into the intake then the other cylinder was because of what he did. He should’ve made sure the cylinder was at TDC on compression before blowing out the cylinder to make sure the valves were closed for exactly that reason.
I’ve personally done plenty of helicoils in small engine heads with the head on but this was a unique situation so I would’ve pulled the head first thing. I’ll explain, when drilling an aluminum head, I’m not too worried if a chip or two doesn’t get blown out right away. But in this case he’s drilling the remaining steel threads of the plug as well which could do more damage to things like valves and seats.
I also don’t use grease on my drill bit when drilling. I use a light oil. If chips do get in the cylinder (they will) it’s easier to blow them out with a light oil on them instead of a grease that makes them much more sticky.
Yes, this was a common problem with early 3valve 5.4s but you certainly make sure the valves are closed when doing those for the same reason.
At the 3:00 mark (on the video), you will see an object that's in the dead center of the broken spark plug. "You can't just take an EZ-OUT and hammer it into the center of that hole without removing that piece." That's how the broken porcelain piece of the center electrode, along with the broken metal electrode itself, actually got into the combustion chamber of that cylinder in the first place. The bigger porcelain pieces were still in there after he blew any possible metal chips out. That's how the 2nd spark plug got destroyed, as well. Then either, when he blew the cylinder out the first time, before the second new spark plug got put in or the second time when the 3rd new spark plug got put in, that's when the broken metal center electrode made its way thru the intake manifold to the other side and eventually into the other cylinders combustion chamber by getting sucked into it past the other intake manifold when it was running. Like you said: "the piston he was working on should have been at TDC so it would have been sealed properly. Instead, the intake valve was probably wide open when he was blowing it out with the air gun." Makes sense to me. ~ 😐
@@richardtalbot5810 yep. All’s well that end’s well, but the damage to both cylinders/heads were probably due to the pieces that he originally dislodged.
You are correct. The only way for that electro to make the trip to the other cylinder was because of the compressed air he was pumping into the spark plug hole with the intake valve open. No other way that electrode is gonna make the trip.
I just can’t believe the aluminum didn’t crack. I’ve had many people turn spark plugs too tight and crack the head. I also had an oil filter once that broke off at the nipple and the whole crank cover had to be replaced.
Yep.
You can see this developing from the point, where he's tapping that center electrode you can see through the camera - but that's the camera view - he probably didn't see it and therefore made this mistake.
Anyhow - i know, small engine, small margin, tough business.
I only do them for myself nowadays. And i don't mind the extra half a mile to unbolt the head on any small engine - it makes work so much easier - and it's so easy compared to today's real engines, that i don't mind that little bit of extra work, which in most cases evens out in the end anyhow, not at all.
Another possible reason for such mistakes - either you produce a video or you concentrate on your repair.
Very hard to do both.
The best part of the skit was the ending 😂 Perfect 🤣
Yup, EZ works dude got rekt. Don't F with people in Podunk, IN or you'll find out.
You are a true Grass Rat Mechanic !! That spark plug removal and diagnosis is top notch! This is kinda rare to see a spark plug do that, but as equipment is be manufactured from other places, this accordance is going to happen a little more often. Excellent JOB TARYL! 👍
@cj7fun579 are you kidding? The man doesn't know what he is doing, and he really messed up the man's riding lawnmower!
@@peacepoet1947wrong!! It will be totally fine,5,000 hp engines eat broken spark plugs and screws and continue to run fine once pieces are removed.
@jeremyking5684 the damage to the engine by not removing bits from not removing the head can cause combustion chamber issues.
@@cj7fun579 👍👍
Long video Taryl but well worth the time it took to watch. Very very educational. Numerous helpfully bits here. You guys did another good one.
I called two automotive shops to ask if they replaced headgaskets on a small block Chevy 350 they said they didn't mess with those I died laughing. I was like, "Then how are you guys mechanics. Myself being 35 with a 1971 C10, got off my ass and learned it myself, and I will be posting pictures on the reviews of their shops showing that they could not help me with such a simple task that I now know how to do myself.
Interesting
Another site, Pxxxxxx Farm, did a thread repair video. Indeed Heli Coil and those type of inserts are stronger than the orignal threads. Great repair. Old school!
I like this guy. He turned my really bad day into a good day making me laugh
I always come here for tips and laughs...very entertaining.
Hate to say it, told ya so. Drilling puts pieces inside the motor. Vacuuming is usually recommended. But you can chance it I suppose.
Everyone needs to laugh
Hey Mr T, just wanted to comment here. I enjoy playing with engines, small ones, hit and miss, antique tractors, old cars and just stuff. I have used heli coils for decades and usually, unless for other reasons, never pulled the heads. On old equipment, you often see sparkplugs rotted and busted off. New heads are oftentimes not even an option so something like Heli coil is ideal. I also use some of those little very powerful mmagnets, put them closest to the end of the bit and you'll be amazed at chip collecting even without the grease. The grease is exra protection, makes sense to me, so I'll start using it too when needed. Good point thanks. Now, I won't tell you the cringe I got with the Crescent wrench. Cheap investments are regular "T" type tap wrenches. You can apply even pressure, while the wrench closes down and captures the tap for easier and more accurate threading. You'll find much better starting with the proper handle. Blowing out the cylinder is proper and will remove near to everything in the jug, if not, it will be exhausted with violent force and be cleared of the engine. Great video Taryl.
Another alternative for easy-outs is to have a small set of 8 point sockets and use a ratchet handle. One hand to support the rachet head and the other on the handle. This provides as much control as a "T" handle but has more torque. (But for taps, only use "T" handles.) Could that (supporting the head with one hand and the other on the handle end) be done with the adjustable wrench in the vid? Yes, kinda, but it is sloppy and not as much control.
Taryl. Long Loyal viewer here. RUN! Don't walk away from the business. You wouldn't believe the 2 month journey I had to go on to get an unobtanium nylon spacer from Ryobi. it's simply not possible to buy this. And on top of it all it's a part designed to break if you hit a twig or anything. 800 bucks in the toilet because you just can't get the 1.49 part. Unfreakin real!!!
Sounds like another video!
@@mestep511 My guy, you would not believe this tale. I wouldn’t believe it if I didn’t live it. Oh BTW just so everyone knows. Ryobi doesn’t make a fucking thing for the mower. Not even a sticker! A company called GardenCo does. Guess who is impossible to contact if you’re a consumer?? Ryobi gave me a verbal shoulder shrug and told me to go complain to GardenCo !!
@@waltkoschRyobi? Techtronic Industries Ryobi is owned by Techtronic Industries, a Hong Kong-based multinational engineering and technology company. Founded in 1985, Techtronic has evolved into one of the world's leading power equipment companies, owning several brands such as Milwaukee and Ryobi
They do not own Milwaukee!
@@Bailey-y9b Ryobi or techtronic does not manufacture any of the parts of the lawnmower. Don't believe me? Call them. The supplier is named GardenCo. Ryobi does not carry any parts for their "own" mower. And this is a 2021 mower. That the same exact model is still sold at home depot today.
I use a carvan insert in the few fords I've had to repair, they are far better than a regular heli-coil, carvan asks you to use a borescope to check inside the cyl to make sure there's no chunks in there. we us a very similar insert to repair vw engines in buggies, you need to tell everyone that ever replaces a plug in an aluminum head to put a little anti-seize on those threads. I do really enjoy the videos
The guy who invented the Heli Coil system is a genius. Who knows how many engines his invention saved. It took patience and experience to do this repair. My late neighbor who was a talented welder and handyman would call this repair an example of "bringing them back alive."
Just takes a mechanic that worked on a few early 5.4 fords😂😅
@@patjohnson3100 he was an engineer.
"Saved from the scrap pile"
You can't use those to hold your flywheel on in your car. Sure you can just put one opposite if you're worried about balance, I did😂
@@brennanschulerima ford guy (not a triton guy) lmao that’s a good one man😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hello Taryl: Aluminum and the grief it can cause with disimilar metals. Couple that with factory cross threadig and you have a plug that breaks when you try to remove it. Removal with extraction tools often works well. When you get one like the one in the video it is not fun. I try to just drill in increassing incraments until you can see the original thread material and the head material junction point. Then if your both lucky and carefull you can start cleaning the thread with a small chissel. Once the bottom of the original thread apppears I use a tap to chase the thread completley. It is a slow process. I have also broken both easy outs and taps in the damaged thread hole. Really not fun when that happens.
Keep the videos coming. Your viewers can learn a lot if they want to.
Taryl, that's fricken UNREAL !!!!!!!! Ain't NEVER seen anything like that before, in all my 74 years. Good Job, Sir !!!!!
Me neither, 71 years, ex-USCG engineman, lifetime wrench/biker!
You are SO RELAXING TO WATCH SOLVE THE PROBLEMS!!!
I watch you at night sometimes when I am winding down for bed....
You are amazing ❤
Sometimes you have to relax I’ll give it a try
My guess is that someone cross threaded the spark plug when installing it. I had one come in earlier this year (wife brought it in), and said he tried to do his own tune-up. Once you break the spark plug loose with a socket, it should easily unscrew with your fingers. When it doesn't, you know what happened. We have to Heli-Coil a spark plug hole every few months. Welding the bolt to what was left of the spark plug was a great idea. I thought that was going to work. Nice save!
love your confidence & ability I turn to you for all my problems
My Dad had a 82 Nissan Stanza which had a spark plug brake off just like this one did and I had to drill it out and tap the threads, I was in my 20's learning how to work on cars. When I was done hours later everything was fine. I've never heard of a plug doing that before or since. But thank God It all worked out ok
I've heard of installing a Helicoil in vehicle engines, too. I have never installed one, but it was the only option here, and now I know how to do it if I ever have to. Wow, then dealing with all spark plug crumbs. Great job, Taryl. You saved replacing the head.
Yes he did
I like your attitude, Taryl! You can fix 'most anything, and if you ruin it while trying your method, you will cover it yourself!
You shared your struggle and mistake, that's good character Sir. You didn't have to share it to the world, respect. Monday morning quarterbacking, inspection scopes are pretty cheap now, and handy.
Looks like Little Johnny has been practicing his JB Weld skills on that spark plug.
Ha ha ha yup
@@VorlonFrog 🤣🤣🤣
I think is middle tooth is just the right size for an easy out. That baby will unseize any stubborn metal. 😂😂😂
I thought he had applied some type of adhesive to lock the plug tight😅
These thing are really hard to work on without a lift I’m too old to bend over
This video should be part of every mechanics training class. Awesome tips for removing stuck bolts.
@@jeffpiatt3879 Why not just use a bolt remover. Duh
@iwanaGoFat2010 what bolt? It was a broken spark plug.
In my day there were no classes. I just grabbed an old engine and started tearing it apart
Good video as always. A trick to blowing out the cylinder is using a small really flexible tube rather than the rigid air tube. The flexible tube let's it whip around and blow around the "corners" where the rigid tube can't get to also helps to dislodge.
Another tool to have in your arsenal is a set of left-hand drill bits. I have a cobalt set. A lot of times, as the drill is taking material away, it will spin the broken part out before it's all the way through.
Good idea , a greater % of drill bits should be left drive , as most repairs are reversal .
Dancing that jig after the repair was the highlight of the video. Thanks for the repair tips, which I doubt will ever be anything I would do but the entertainment factor was great.
Entertainment 😮
I've got'em out many times by drilling.
No need to explain yourself, you'd the man.
I like the left turn drill bits.
Nice repair and even better diagnostics to find the part in the other cylinder!
U had to really fight this one !! Luv your vids taryl & skits.....shout out to Ronnie !
Daryl, I appreciate your common sense approach on this and your other videos!
It’s already broken, he can only make it better. Thanks for the videos.
I respect that you never give up. I spent my career doing this type of thing.
Worked as mechanic in frozen foods industry and we used a ease out kit that had left hand drill bits so as you drilled out broken bolts and many times the bit would grab the bolt and they would unscrew the broken bolt! Saved a lot of time and equipment!
You can buy left hand drill sets of course without the easy outs. Sometimes the bolt will come out just by drilling but not always.
I did that once, when I was younger. The bit broke, and there was no way to drill it out even with diamond tip bit.
@rickmanley767same thing that happend to a water jacket bolt hole on my ls had to change the whole head
FIRST THING is always to spray some penetrant and wait a bit. A lot more success with any removal tool. Heat next, if it doesn't budge.
Sounds like some body put lock tight on the plug have to heat and cool several times with penetrating oil
Came to this channel to figure out my old 1970's 5269G Lawn Boy - somehow I'm still here a year later loving all your vids and learning more about engines than I ever thought I'd know. The knowledge is top notch, and the props and comedy make all the difference for what's a really dry subject on some of those "other" channels. Speaking of which, is there any way to recondition an ignition coil? I can't find one for my baby.
Brakes and scrap em says watch this 5.4 triton 😂
Haha, I had my 5.4 blow the plug out. Still got me home. I guess I should have changed the plugs before 200k miles. lol.
And add anti -Seize to the Threads
This happened to one of the
Spark plugs on my old Small Pick up
I left the plug
Not worth stripping the Threads truck had lots Miles on it
Ha, yeah I've watched videos of like Rainman Ray even being careful, still broke 4/8 plugs on those Found on Road Dead Triton 5.4's...
@@jdc1978 You didnt get it son
It blows my mind how much you remind me of my uncle Jake Williams it's crazy I watch you and reminds me of all these old times with him.thank you keep up the good work
EXCELLENT!!! Tarrel is a mechanic's, mechanic... His values need to be emulated throughout the industry because he's old school. And absolutely fantastic!!! And there is your dinner. 👍👍👍
yep, shortcuts that fail and cause damage to move over to the good cylinder, improperly using taps, etc... Professional hack. He would have been time and damage ahead to pull that head first thing before he ever tried to get that spark plug out. Now, even though he finally got it out, he's got 2 banged up pistons and cylinder heads to show for trying to do it the easy way.
@@BKD70 Evidently you must be partially Or fully unable to hear. That's clear because you were not listening. The job scope
Was to remove the spark plug. Additionally, in the short period of time that he ran the machine, Tarryl did NOT cause extensive damage TO EITHER CYLINDER HEAD. Based on your remarks, it is clear that you completely missed the points of the video. Because it's clear that you have a learning disability, I suggest you RE-LISTEN to the video or just READ THE TRANSCRIPT. Did you not hear that Several shops were unable to correctly diagnose and solve the problem other than by completely Disassembling the machine to begin with? And of course, who would have suspected that parts of the spark plug traveled throughout the system Which then, not only contaminated the muffler, but also the opposing cylinder head. I guess the big question for you is did you have the entire video muted or perhaps you are from another country and do not understand english. But, in any case you clearly do not understand what took place. Another question that logically arises for you is what are you doing watching these videos when you clearly don't understand what is being said or why the mechanic is doing what he is doing. I think you had the wrong channel, and perhaps you were trying to get to Mr. Bill's preschool videos???
@@BKD70 Monday morning quarterbacks are always right. Of course they don't actually DO themselves, because they don't have the ability. And your comments have no relevance when it comes to break even analysis. Of course you don't know what those words mean, because you are a monday morning quarterback. A talking head. Lots of talking heads, But nearly all have the ability to DO anything. Keep on going monday morning quarterback. Maybe one day you'll be a professional quarterback too, ha ha ha ha. 🤣
@@frankie7508 You don't have any friends, do you? It's easy to see why.
@@BKD70 more than you will ever know. It must be hard being you speculating without any evidence, and not being able to do for yourself when it comes to these type of repairs. It must be hard being you.
A lot of times what causes them to break off is someone putting never-seize on the threads with good intentions…but it actually creates a situation where the plug goes in too easy and when they torque it down hard it breaks below as it’s actually over torqued.
Good video! Sometimes success comes after a bit more effort 😉👍
I was surprised that you didn't use an endoscope after blowing out the repaired cylinder to make sure all of the debris was out. But I would have never expected debris to travel from one cylinder to the other.
I have learn alot watching your videos through the years and the plus is having a chuckle or two as well.
He could have had that cylinder head off in 10 minutes, and contained all the damage to the 1 cylinder... but instead took the shortcut that eventually ended up in sending the damage over to the other cylinder also. I lost a lot of respect in his ability with this video. Shoddy workmanship from the word go on this one.
I would have definitely had that cylinder up on compression stroke before blowing air into the cylinder.
My thoughts exactly when he got to that part.
Someone in the USA buy this man a tap socket set, the struggle was real. Good stuff as always though!
He has several tap sets.
He's been running a shop for 25 plus years and been doing this since he learned to walk!
@@hillbillyholler516 I hear ya, why the struggle fumbling with a crescent wrench making it very difficult to align the tap to the hole and apply pressure allowing you to cut new threads, a tap socket on a ratchet with extension makes this much much easier is all.
Yeah it's too hard to get good torque without twisting it out with a cressent wrench.
Interesting conversation here
And yes TARYL I've worked on those kind of twin cylinder engines by Briggs and Stratton before. For future reference always remove the head that has the broken spark plug in it. And it leads to having to replace and put new Head gaskets and intake gaskets. You caught it just in time. It will work just fine now again.
The "easy" ones are always the hardest to fix! LOL!! Nice job Taryl!!
We have a set of left hand drill bits, for just this occasion. Sometimes the drill is enough to back the item out, and if not it drills the hole for the tap
I Left flute drilled a broken rocker arm cover bolt on my brother-in-laws car while he was watching. When the drill bit caught the broken thread and backed it right out my brother -in-law liked to fall over w/ relief. Great tools make work easier. ben/ michigan
If the ez out wouldn’t have gotten it out the left handed bit wouldn’t have
@@joshmanis9860 as I said, it also drills the hole for the tap
There's a ceramic separator between the ground and the center electrode. If that gets smashed, as it will, how do you get the chips of ceramic out of the cylinder?
@@alext8828 vacuum cleaner and a small hose
That's Why When I Replace Spark Plugs, I Have Parts Counter Cross Reference Plug To "NGK Plugs" Better Quality Plugs. After Seeing This Video, I'am Definitely Going To Change My Plugs On My $8,000 Kubota Zero Steer Mower. I Like Champion Spark Plugs, Are My Second Choice. I Also Coat Spark Plug Threads With Thin Layer Of "Permatex Anti Seize Lubrication". Also Use This Lubrication On Lug Nuts For Automobiles. Never Had One Losen On Equipment, Motorcycles or Automobiles By Vibrating Or During My Travels.
That ez works skit at the beginning of the video was very funny.
The end was even better.
If you say so...
“Tighten it down so it’ll NEVER come out”. Perfect! 😂🔧👍
The chips, dings on the head, that’s part of working on stuff. At least it’s back in service again. Better than how it was before!
I do the homemade easy outs like that too but with left hand thread bolts. They can be hard to find though. You could also use left hand drill bits and grease to prevent shavings getting in there. Edit I see you did just that with the grease... Nicely done it's easy to tell you've been around a really long time. I love that you are teaching others these tricks that I learned from the old school mechanics I worked with. QSome jobs are just a nightmare. The way to tell the mechanic is a pro is when they get through each obstacle and finish the job.
I use torx sockets for easy outs. I hate the spiral flute ones because the harder you screw it in, the more it pushes the walls of the stuck bolt against the threads. Especially if you drill it and it has thinner walls.
Same here
Same here also just had to do it on a f150
@@kylemishoe6963
They are "more" successful but only like 50%
They still swell the hole less .. and can be a batch to retrieve 😄
Yes. They never work if the fastener is stuck because of something going on with the threads. They only work if something external caused a snap and the fastener can still spin. In those cases, a left-hand drill bit may get it out instead.
Torx Bits hard steel, a normal bolt is soft and on top it lost some hardness during grinding heat
Taryl your a great mechanic. Truly enjoy watching you figure out how to fix all the equipment you work on. Keep it up. Where's slippers?
Can’t believe other shops wouldn’t attempt it . I had a Chevy S-10 with a V6 and same thing happened to the spark plug on the passenger side closest to the fire wall . I had to remove the passenger front tire , the inside wheel well , soak it in PB blaster overnight and had to fashion a beaker bar and with an easy out I finally got it out and I’m no mechanic, but it can be done.
Nice
I want to personally thank you for no foul language on your video's my 7 year old watches your channel with me on the big screen and I don't want him to pick up on anything bad at a vulnerable age, me and my little one will continue to watch your channel, you're making us proud my dear friend! Greetings from north Alabama!
Love Elk Skins, he reminds me of one of my favorite coworker’s at my day job.
Yeah those 5.4 3 valve triton engines were a pain. That spark plug electrode is most likely tungsten and is hard as hell.
Nice work dare Taryl.
This was one of the most interesting Taryl segments I’ve seen in a while. This was an oddity not too common for the average DIY guy. Thanks for the tutorial.
Here’s a tap that grabs the last few threads on the inside of the head normally spark plugs do not extend all the way through all the threads and if you have damaged threads, you use this tap and tap it from the inside out Nice tool to add to your toolbox
Powerbuilt 14mm Back Tap Thread Repair Tool - 640811
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Always putting a smile on my face, thanks guys.👍🍻
Never let 2 ton Tessie tighten your spark plugs. This is the product of that bad decision.
Nice work Taryl. Everybody has their 2 cents and here is mine. I prefer the square easy outs. I think the put less outward pressure than the spiral type. Just like you mentioned. Also I think a 12 point socket over the easy with an impact gun, instead of a " croissant" would have helped. As it turned out it would not have made any difference !
"They were right, those other places" haha.
Homeowner got a new impact wrench and figured he would use it to put in the spark plug. Cross threaded it and just kept giving it the full beans to get it in. Until it exploded, that is. That’s why you could not turn out the remnent. Of course, they are not going to admit that so “I don’t know what in the world happened to it.” And it is a non-mechanically inclined homeowner because they bought the one with the easy oil gimmick, which no one who understands engines would buy. I also agree that drilling out that plug hole will not ruin the engine. It’s not ideal, but any shards not extracted by the drill or captured in the grease would simply blow out the exhaust. The debris is on top of the cylinder. It’s debris below the cylinder that would eventually destroy the engine. Fine job with this! You went for the easier fix first.
High pitched voice, "It's not coming out Taryl" LOL You should have put this under 'Lawn mower Detectives'. So interesting about the Helio coil! and all around. Glad the Sheister actor is back, he's funny as heck.
Great video..very educational. I learned how to make an ez out ..I am sure that will come in handy in the future...thanks for taking the time to make the video
29:39 "So lets tighten it down so tight that it'll never come out, again" 🤣
Plus add high strength thread lock just incase 😂
Cross threading is nature's locktite.
@@bentullett6068 Good idea, but spark plugs in an air cooled engine with the cylinder head fins eventually getting clogged by grass clippings and Fluffy's nests; the locktite won't do much. How do you remove a fastener installed with red locktite. Apply heat.
A big shout out to you! You do fantastic work! A lot of knowledge under your hat. Well done.
I bet someone tried to remove that plug with an air wrench and had it set for clockwise at high torque to break that plug. Me, I would have removed that head and worked on it in my vise. then I probably would’ve warped it and ended up replacing it anyway.
Impact wrench was my thought, as well.
An impact is fine when it’s set to the right direction but I wouldn’t use an impact to tighten it
Why The *##$_&-
Would any one use a Impact
On spark plugs.
This is why good idea to change Plugs and coat them
@@joshmanis9860it may be this crude on the THREADS
HAPPENS IF in stalled to long
@@georgemartinez1720 only put anti seize in if the plug didn’t come with anti seize on the threads already
I like that you put parts that are good to go back on the machine. I bet a lot of shops wouldt put new heads on it by saying that they were not useable anymore. And offcourse thanks for a new skit. Allways funny.
Installed cross threaded and with an impact wrench my guess.
I thought the same thing!
My thought exactly!
Maybe the first time, the second or third time they glued it in.
Aluminium heads, spark plug over tightened without antiseize on the threads. With head the Aluminium gets stuck to the steel threads.
Assembly line production where each person on the line has just a few seconds to do their job. "Cross thread? Not my problem. Over torque? Not my problem. I just get done in my few seconds what I can."
Taryl, I love you videos and your antics! Your the GREATEST!
You're awesome...!!! I learned alot from watching your videos. As soon as I install an engine onto my 1550 compactor, I'm going to buy a shirt from ya, and hang it in my garage. Just because you're cool like that, and you helped my save $2,500.
Santa likes it, you saved the day! Your on Santa's Good List.
Nice repair. Small bock Chevy engines 283, 327 were common for breaking exhaust valves back in the mid 1960's and it was not unusual to find parts of the broken valve from one head in a piston hole on the opposite side of the engine - would get sucked across via the intake runners.
Yes sir I pulled many 283 heads and ended up pulling engine and replacing pistons 😢😢😢
Taryl You Sir Are a Master Mechanic With Old School Knowledge , Thank You !
Why do I feel somebody use an impact gun to put that in and then it snapped off.
and loctice
Impact gun with added thread lock on the threads.
Had to be.
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Any idiot who would install a spark plug with an impact deserves this outcome every single time.
Only thing I would have put a little high strength retaining compound on the helicopter coil, to keep it held in, when the plug needs replacement
Must have had a LIFETIME spark plug in it!!!
Just like that Breaks N Scrap Em lifetime engine oil!! Haha
Hi 👋 first I want to say is I enjoy ur videos 👍
I’m a tool & die maker / machinist and you done great on this repair 👍
Yes some will say but what about the chips inside the cylinder? Ya maybe there was some left but go chance they will blow out the exhaust.
Good job buddy
Good video, A tap handle or square socket on a ratchet makes starting the tap straight much easier. This is where a bore scope would have come in handy.
Lisle tap sockets
Blows my mind that no other shops could do this repair. Its a easy repair bolt and welder done
Piece got in that other cylinder likely when you were blowing other cylinder out. Intake valve was open. Love your videos.
That's exactly what I thought too. The piston he was working on should have been at TDC so it would be sealed properly. ~ 🙄
Not likely. Wouldn't have the intake valve open on both cylinders at the same time.
@@Isadore123L blow out intake in first cylinder and get sucked in by second when he started it...
Interesting the variation on the same theme .
When I have one of these problems , after removing the broken plug I back off both rockers then bring the cylinder almost to TDC
Then I fill the cylinder with some old 00 gearbox grease
Then it is a reverse thread chaser to clean up the remains of the thread .
Then if the thread is unuseable there is usually enough thread to start the dual thread TimeCert tapping tool .
I use helicoils in a lot of places but prefer to use solid inserts for regions that have to be pressure tight
I have regularly found the spark plug seat to also be damaged and to fix that a ground down a 3/4" end mill to be a close fit in the plug hole so I can face the plug seat with the end mill in a battery drill using a stepped down end mill holder .
Then when finished it is crank the engine to expel the 00 grease , repeat with kerrosene . reset the valve lash .
I just figured it out about 14 minutes in... As soon as you found "fluffy." The nest blocked the cooling air and way overheated the head. I suspect that the aluminum may have actually melted a little and welded itself to the plug. Now I'll finish watching the video.
Great minds think alike. That's what I thought.
No way. There would have been a lot of other signs if the head had gotten that hot, and the weld to the plug would have been really weak to begin with.
Great Job Taryl, on repair. Yes, i own 2005 F150 with Triton 5.4 engine. Fords Dumb spark plug idea, Steel 2 piece plug in aluminum. Heads . So dumb changed plug 4 times over the years. Really tries your patience replacing when snap off. But i,m like you, divide and conquer. Win the Battle.
Debris contaminating the intake is fairly common when an engine blows
Taryl, the one thing that was not clear in this video was whether the distal end of the plug was still attached when the tractor came into your shop or whether there was an open hole in the center throgh which you could have passed a bore scope. I was wondering about that the entire time I was viewing. A bore scope exam before cranking would have also helped determine the condition of the piston and cylinder walls while also assuring no foreign bodies were in the combustion chamber.
There are several possible explanations, but it is possible that the errant electrode made its way to the other side when you blew out the cylinder when installing the helix coil. If the piston was on the "suck" stroke when you blew air in there it's possible that the electrode got blown through the open intake valve and made it far enough into the intake manifold for it to get sucked to the other side when the engine was cranked. Not terribly likely but possible. But a quick look with a bore scope once an open passage to the combustion chamber was available could have facilitated matters immensely.
THE V8 TRITON!!!! ASK ME HOW I KNOW ABOUT THAT ENGINE!!! 😂😂😂😂
Yep, that V8 Ford Triton said; Okay, Breaks and Scrap 'em, HOLD MY BEER !!!!!
Went from blowing plugs out to not being able to get them out. At least the cam phasers, timing assembly, and roller followers are designed well….oh wait
Keep it coming Taryl. Love it love it!
We have a set of left hand drill bits where I work. They will usually catch what is left and take it out.
Hey Tarly your thumb nail you appear to be such a vast intellectual, such a deep deep thinker, of the greatest problems concerning humanity today. Your fellow man owns you un limited gratitude
Happens all the time on race engines, parts from one cylinder end up in other cylinders. Very common occurrence.
I have seen the same thing back in the ‘90s. Chalked it up as one of those things. Nice fix amigo.