But with this one, its looks more like copy of Tevo tarantula RS. I like Artillery and their printers, but they could come up with something different :)
I have had an Artillery Sidewinder for over a month now. I love the direct drive and all the bells and whistles. I haven't had any problems with the ribbon cable or the heater bed cables. Bed leveling has been very easy and I only adjust it once every two weeks with little to no adjustments. I have had numerous prints that were in the 12 to 23 hour range and haven't had any problems with bed adhesion. I would definitely buy another Artillery and have recommended the machine to many of my friends.
This is awesome, I saw a few others comment this as well. Thank you for the tip this would have been so useful 8 years ago haha. Very happy to know this moving forward. :) Cheers!
I have a sidewinder x1 that I've had for a couple of years. The machine is stock and just works. Learning to use CAD and slicer settings has been far more of a challenge than running the printer. This is the only printer I've owned, so nothing to compare to...but it does what I ask of it. I would like to upgrade to a Fulament setup for the bed eventually.
I have the sidewinder x1 and I absolutely love it. Artillery is still under rated in the 3d printer game but have steadily made their way. They make solid machines, and this now includes the hornet. But I do agree with your final analysis, in that its a no brainer to get the genius over the hornet with the current price points. Great video btw
Thanks for watching and the feedback! I do agree they are one of the top out there in my opinion for low cost entry level 3d printers. They come with so many things that you would need to upgrade other machines to be able to run the same setup.
I know I'm a year late to this, but the artillery genius is 290€ excluding shipping and the hornet is 160€ including shipping, the hornet has to be worth it by now since they changed the price so much right?
I've watched at least a half dozen of your videos and I wanted to let you know that you just earned a new sub. Only thing I had a hard time with was it kind of feels like you rush to finish videos. I don't mean that in a rude way or anything because you have great content. I just mean you should try to slow down just a bit and not make it seem like you are rushing to finish a video. You have fantastic, in depth content and definitely keep up the great work.
Hey thanks for subbing and the feedback. In most instances I don’t think I am rushing and that it’s more I talk very quickly haha. It is a balancing act as well though. I try to cram as much as I can in and the videos have been getting longer and longer. I am constantly working to improve my craft and constructive criticism is always appreciated. Looking forward to seeing you around 😬
@@ModBotArmy hopefully my comment didn't come out as being rude or anything. I tried to explain it as good feedback. You make great videos and you go into such detail about pretty much everything. I guess it does seem you talk quickly and not rush. Hopefully you took what I said as positive feedback and not negatively. How much do you know about marlin firmware? I know a fair amount and I'm in need of help if you're able and willing to loan me your knowledge.
@@tb898 not at all haha I get rude comments all the time and ignore them. Yours came off as genuine no hard feelings at all. I knew marlin fairly well years ago and need to dive back in as it has changed a ton. If you are looking for a firmware wizard check out Chris Riley from fun on chris basement. He is a great dude and super knowledgeable with firmware 😬
@@ModBotArmy awesome. I appreciate the information. I'll check it out. I'm glad you didn't take my comment negatively haha. Keep up the fantastic work!
Exactly what i was thinking first time when i saw Hornet. With that small difference in price, Genius is the way. But if they correct the price to be more closer to the Ender, where it actually fits more, then it will be printer worth to try :)
I am really hoping they take the feedback in this video and the community into consideration. They have in the past with the revisions to the X1 so fingers crossed.
@@ModBotArmy I just bought one for $179, hopefully this is a more accurate price for this machine. This will be my first printer so hopefully I picked a user friendly one
I both love and hate that cable. I never enjoy proprietary components that may need replacing, but damn is that clean. Have you tried to pull the bowden tube out? If it can be pulled out it would make it a lot easier to love. Thanks for another great video!
I have not tried pulling the bowden tube out but I believe another user did try and they did not have luck. I may have to check this myself. I do agree it would be nice if they did have that for someone who wants to swap for capricorn or if you have a nasty jam that caused the need to replace one. Thanks watching :)
It was probably bed adhesion that loosened your print. Try looking at the bed of any mains-powered bed on an artillery printer with a thermal camera. The temperature difference from center to corner can be as big as 20C.
I do agree that it was bed adhesion and I was able to fix this. I may need to pick up a thermal camera. Could be useful for both troubleshooting as well as future content creation. Thanks for the tip.
with a 32 bit board the test would be to run a cylinder print through octoprint (by way of Rpi/octopi). There's a bandwith issue with the sidewinder x1 and octoprint based on its buffer limitations which causes the print to have a lot of blobs and zits.
32-bit board, comparable printing space as Ender 3 albeit considerably faster - the look reminds me of the slick Asus Lamborghini laptop. Thanks for the intro MB!
I have the Genius, no regrets, would buy it again. The Hornet looks like several steps backwards in features. I can’t understand Artillery’s thinking in the making of this machine.
Really love your videos , definitely one of the most helpful and informative , but I have to ask because I've always wondered what do you do with all those printers that you review ?
Thanks for the feedback! It really depends, since I had to move into a one bedroom to save on rent I had to get ride of quite a few. If I had it my way I would have a huge farm. For now it is a combination of keep, tear down for other projects, give away or sell some. Quite a few do get torn down for parts right now sadly.
@@ModBotArmy I completely understand that here in newyork by me it's 2k a month 🙄 ,have you ever thought about doing a video about how become a 3d printer reviewer , like how to reach out to company's and what to look out for ,I loved you video about running a print farm but I always hoped you'd make one about reviewing
Pro-tip for removing hot glue: Use Alcohol. Like 99% alcohol. Saturate a little paper towel with it and just cover the glue joint for like 30 seconds. It should start to just come loose easily. If it doesn't add more alcohol and time, and it will. Given that those electronics can generate quite a bit of heat, I recommend removing it. By the way, this is Voultar's method for removing hot glue (I've tested it and it works though.) But I definitely recommend checking out his channel if you're into modifying electronics in any way.
Why oh WHY do 3d printers come WITHOUT a filament sensor in 2021?! Just got this printer, working on my review now. Also going to have a prusa 2.3 profile available on my blog!
it's a 32bit board, I'd love to see you push it!!! crank the speed to 11! hell I print at 200 with a 1300g bed slinger lightly modded anet a8, I say push it! the hotend could be a bottleneck tho, but it'd be fun to see what it can do
@L3D... the speed that you put into the slicer is not the one you will see during the print. Export your gcode to “gcodeanalyser.com”... apply the numbers of accel and jerk settings of your Anet and them check the real average speed and many more cool information about the speed (max, min, etc..)
This is a nifty printer. I think they skimped on the display... That is such an affordable thing to upgrade. Do you ever run into issues with the Proto Pasta cardboard spools? I'm 0 for 2 and have had to re-spool them. The corrugate was kinked and snagged the filament... failed prints. Thanks for another great video.
Looks OK, like you stated the price is a tad high for it's feature set. BUT! the biggest issue! that hotend. Why haven't people noticed that that setup of the "V" shaped shell, takes all the cooling from the hot end fan and throw it down on to the bed/part? It looks like it's pushing out the back? which is covered by the 2020 extrusion! so the air is getting forced to flowing down and at the bed... unless there is some ducking in the back not shown?
I did not notice any issues with cooling in my testing but I do think it could definitely benefit from a slightly different fan shroud that angles it a bit more. Right now there is not a ton of control as to where the airflow is being thrown. Granted it did not seem to affect part quality or the hotends ability to heat. I agree with your statement though that there is room for improvement. The fan shroud on their other machines is superior IMO
I currently have the Sidewinder X1, very happy with it. Looking to add another. Leaning towards my first original Choice of Creality Ender 3 V2, What do you think?
I don't see the bennefit for this printer over like a ender 3 v2 and the bowden/ cable combo will be a pain to service wich will happen with it not being a all metal hotend so no it's a pass
As a complete noob when it comes to 3d printing. I am looking for a completely noob friendly printer as possible. With roughly $450 as a budget. Would the sidewinder or the genius be a good noob friendly beginner printer? It seems to have descent reviews on Amazon, and other sites. I would love to see some feedback on what to get. Thanks in advance.
I was burned owning a ender 3 pro that I spent way too much time and money trying to make it print like the models in your review..I never managed this and ended up with a resin printer.
Hey love the videos, just subscribed because I realized I never did.... Anyways, would you still recommend the X1 after using it all this time? Thanks. Looking to buy one, and want to make sure over time it still holds up
Hey! Thanks for watching and the subscription. Absolutely! Out of all of the machines I have used in the sub $500 range I love the SideWinder and still think it is a fantastic option. You will not be dissapointed.
I really don’t understand the pricing on this machine. I would rather choose the genius for the same price or save up to the Sidewinder, if I needed the space.
I have seen a tiny bit on this. I havent had as good of an experience with Tevo or (Homer) printers. It has been some time since I have tested though so things could have changed.
Looks like an awesome contender to the Ender 3 Lineup, if they act like you said. I honestly really like my Artillery Sidewinder and can't wait to see more printers made by Artillery on the market!
Yeah the Sidewinder is great. I am hoping they listen to the feedback and adjust the pricing for this machine. They are missing that super entry point Ender 3 pricing so far.
Great points, seams like a different approach. I've seed Boden and electronic cabling first at "Proper Printing" RUclips channel. Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us👍😁🎆
Bowden, PTFE-lined hotend, no filament-sensor, no ABL, small bed and proprietary cabling at that price point? No thanks ... The looks probably cost money, but all that stuff will be in the way when trying to upgrade or even troubleshoot/fix. With these specs, it is more in plain old Ender-3 area, so sub $200...
I have used both lots over the years and both print what I want fine. I like direct for the times I want flexibles and I feel they do better with stringing. However, I do believe bowden can be pushed to print quicker.
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Love em or hate em, Artillery makes some good looking printers
But with this one, its looks more like copy of Tevo tarantula RS. I like Artillery and their printers, but they could come up with something different :)
My x1 prints very shitty
I do really like their machines, both functionally and aesthetically they look clean.
@@pcicy7344 check for a bent lead screw
They do seem to have questionable QC. Some people have reported their printers not being properly grounded and having an exposed mains out.
Daniel, this is a terrific review! Thorough and I love all of the test prints you chose! Thanks for the awesome coverage!
Hey buddy! Thanks for watching and the nice feedback. Happy New Years! I hope you and the family are doing great.
Nice review. A tip for people that struggle with hot glue is to wet the glue with Isopropanol, works like magic.
Thanks for the tip! I will definitely be trying this when it is time to remove some hot glue
I have had an Artillery Sidewinder for over a month now. I love the direct drive and all the bells and whistles. I haven't had any problems with the ribbon cable or the heater bed cables. Bed leveling has been very easy and I only adjust it once every two weeks with little to no adjustments. I have had numerous prints that were in the 12 to 23 hour range and haven't had any problems with bed adhesion. I would definitely buy another Artillery and have recommended the machine to many of my friends.
pro tip: hot glue comes off like butter if you add a few drops of rubbing alcohol, it detaches like magic
Was going to add an alcohol mention :) great tip
Was about to mention the same thing ^^
Incidentally, it also works great to get tree sap off the car...(not 3d printing related, but might be useful) 😉 😅
This is awesome, I saw a few others comment this as well. Thank you for the tip this would have been so useful 8 years ago haha. Very happy to know this moving forward. :) Cheers!
Do you do that at the end of the print along an edge or before the print?
I have a sidewinder x1 that I've had for a couple of years. The machine is stock and just works. Learning to use CAD and slicer settings has been far more of a challenge than running the printer. This is the only printer I've owned, so nothing to compare to...but it does what I ask of it. I would like to upgrade to a Fulament setup for the bed eventually.
fulament set up ???
I have the sidewinder x1 and I absolutely love it. Artillery is still under rated in the 3d printer game but have steadily made their way. They make solid machines, and this now includes the hornet. But I do agree with your final analysis, in that its a no brainer to get the genius over the hornet with the current price points.
Great video btw
Thanks for watching and the feedback! I do agree they are one of the top out there in my opinion for low cost entry level 3d printers. They come with so many things that you would need to upgrade other machines to be able to run the same setup.
I know I'm a year late to this, but the artillery genius is 290€ excluding shipping and the hornet is 160€ including shipping, the hornet has to be worth it by now since they changed the price so much right?
Great review, Daniel...as always, very thorough! Thank you!
Thanks for watching! :)
I've watched at least a half dozen of your videos and I wanted to let you know that you just earned a new sub. Only thing I had a hard time with was it kind of feels like you rush to finish videos. I don't mean that in a rude way or anything because you have great content. I just mean you should try to slow down just a bit and not make it seem like you are rushing to finish a video. You have fantastic, in depth content and definitely keep up the great work.
Hey thanks for subbing and the feedback. In most instances I don’t think I am rushing and that it’s more I talk very quickly haha. It is a balancing act as well though. I try to cram as much as I can in and the videos have been getting longer and longer. I am constantly working to improve my craft and constructive criticism is always appreciated. Looking forward to seeing you around 😬
@@ModBotArmy hopefully my comment didn't come out as being rude or anything. I tried to explain it as good feedback. You make great videos and you go into such detail about pretty much everything. I guess it does seem you talk quickly and not rush. Hopefully you took what I said as positive feedback and not negatively. How much do you know about marlin firmware? I know a fair amount and I'm in need of help if you're able and willing to loan me your knowledge.
@@tb898 not at all haha I get rude comments all the time and ignore them. Yours came off as genuine no hard feelings at all. I knew marlin fairly well years ago and need to dive back in as it has changed a ton. If you are looking for a firmware wizard check out Chris Riley from fun on chris basement. He is a great dude and super knowledgeable with firmware 😬
@@ModBotArmy awesome. I appreciate the information. I'll check it out. I'm glad you didn't take my comment negatively haha. Keep up the fantastic work!
Exactly what i was thinking first time when i saw Hornet. With that small difference in price, Genius is the way. But if they correct the price to be more closer to the Ender, where it actually fits more, then it will be printer worth to try :)
I am really hoping they take the feedback in this video and the community into consideration. They have in the past with the revisions to the X1 so fingers crossed.
@@ModBotArmy I just bought one for $179, hopefully this is a more accurate price for this machine. This will be my first printer so hopefully I picked a user friendly one
I both love and hate that cable. I never enjoy proprietary components that may need replacing, but damn is that clean. Have you tried to pull the bowden tube out? If it can be pulled out it would make it a lot easier to love. Thanks for another great video!
Wondering the same thing.
I have not tried pulling the bowden tube out but I believe another user did try and they did not have luck. I may have to check this myself. I do agree it would be nice if they did have that for someone who wants to swap for capricorn or if you have a nasty jam that caused the need to replace one. Thanks watching :)
Your videos and reviews are awesome. Thank You!
Thank you for the kind comment. :)
It was probably bed adhesion that loosened your print. Try looking at the bed of any mains-powered bed on an artillery printer with a thermal camera. The temperature difference from center to corner can be as big as 20C.
I do agree that it was bed adhesion and I was able to fix this. I may need to pick up a thermal camera. Could be useful for both troubleshooting as well as future content creation. Thanks for the tip.
with a 32 bit board the test would be to run a cylinder print through octoprint (by way of Rpi/octopi). There's a bandwith issue with the sidewinder x1 and octoprint based on its buffer limitations which causes the print to have a lot of blobs and zits.
How did you add the hornet to cura
Just found your channel, great stuff! I love my sidewinder and this is an interesting printer for artillery
Thanks for watching! I am happy to have you hear. Woohoo! Sidewinder is great :D
32-bit board, comparable printing space as Ender 3 albeit considerably faster - the look reminds me of the slick Asus Lamborghini laptop. Thanks for the intro MB!
isopropyl alcohol removes hotglue extremely easly. I use it all the time in my drones.
Any problems with PETG sticking too tight to this type of bed?
Is it better than Genius model?
I have the Genius, no regrets, would buy it again. The Hornet looks like several steps backwards in features. I can’t understand Artillery’s thinking in the making of this machine.
I love my Genius, it has been such a beast for me and I have printed a TON through it as well as flexibles.
Nice one! Great videos as always
Thanks Stefan!
Where can I found Cura's profile for the artillery Hornet?
Really love your videos , definitely one of the most helpful and informative , but I have to ask because I've always wondered what do you do with all those printers that you review ?
Thanks for the feedback! It really depends, since I had to move into a one bedroom to save on rent I had to get ride of quite a few. If I had it my way I would have a huge farm. For now it is a combination of keep, tear down for other projects, give away or sell some. Quite a few do get torn down for parts right now sadly.
@@ModBotArmy I completely understand that here in newyork by me it's 2k a month 🙄 ,have you ever thought about doing a video about how become a 3d printer reviewer , like how to reach out to company's and what to look out for ,I loved you video about running a print farm but I always hoped you'd make one about reviewing
I cant get one print how can i setup it ? Which software did you used?
hi, did you share the setting of your printer for cura profile?
So, did artillery reach out to you on new firmware that would get back the bells and whistle that the other models have?
In your opinion , Artillery Hornet or Homers Tevo Tarantula Pro ?
Pro-tip for removing hot glue: Use Alcohol. Like 99% alcohol. Saturate a little paper towel with it and just cover the glue joint for like 30 seconds. It should start to just come loose easily. If it doesn't add more alcohol and time, and it will. Given that those electronics can generate quite a bit of heat, I recommend removing it. By the way, this is Voultar's method for removing hot glue (I've tested it and it works though.) But I definitely recommend checking out his channel if you're into modifying electronics in any way.
I got this for 130€ Is that a good price?
Why oh WHY do 3d printers come WITHOUT a filament sensor in 2021?! Just got this printer, working on my review now. Also going to have a prusa 2.3 profile available on my blog!
it's a 32bit board, I'd love to see you push it!!! crank the speed to 11! hell I print at 200 with a 1300g bed slinger lightly modded anet a8, I say push it! the hotend could be a bottleneck tho, but it'd be fun to see what it can do
Your a madman! Haha I print so much slower. Maybe I will do some speed test this year.
@L3D... the speed that you put into the slicer is not the one you will see during the print. Export your gcode to “gcodeanalyser.com”... apply the numbers of accel and jerk settings of your Anet and them check the real average speed and many more cool information about the speed (max, min, etc..)
This is a nifty printer. I think they skimped on the display... That is such an affordable thing to upgrade. Do you ever run into issues with the Proto Pasta cardboard spools? I'm 0 for 2 and have had to re-spool them. The corrugate was kinked and snagged the filament... failed prints. Thanks for another great video.
Looks OK, like you stated the price is a tad high for it's feature set. BUT! the biggest issue! that hotend. Why haven't people noticed that that setup of the "V" shaped shell, takes all the cooling from the hot end fan and throw it down on to the bed/part? It looks like it's pushing out the back? which is covered by the 2020 extrusion! so the air is getting forced to flowing down and at the bed... unless there is some ducking in the back not shown?
I did not notice any issues with cooling in my testing but I do think it could definitely benefit from a slightly different fan shroud that angles it a bit more. Right now there is not a ton of control as to where the airflow is being thrown. Granted it did not seem to affect part quality or the hotends ability to heat. I agree with your statement though that there is room for improvement. The fan shroud on their other machines is superior IMO
I currently have the Sidewinder X1, very happy with it. Looking to add another. Leaning towards my first original Choice of Creality Ender 3 V2, What do you think?
I don't see the bennefit for this printer over like a ender 3 v2 and the bowden/ cable combo will be a pain to service wich will happen with it not being a all metal hotend so no it's a pass
would have loved to have a 32-bit board with direct drive on the Sidewinder.
As a complete noob when it comes to 3d printing. I am looking for a completely noob friendly printer as possible. With roughly $450 as a budget. Would the sidewinder or the genius be a good noob friendly beginner printer? It seems to have descent reviews on Amazon, and other sites. I would love to see some feedback on what to get. Thanks in advance.
How easy is it to change tube to a Capricorn type?
I do not believe you can remove the bowden, maybe they will offer it as an upgrade option or make it where the tube is not so tight.
Tip: to remove hot glue, just use some isopropyl alcohol. Few drops are enough.
I appreciate this! I had no idea. Great to know.
I assume this has the odd Artillery feature of not being able to remove the bed.
I was burned owning a ender 3 pro that I spent way too much time and money trying to make it print like the models in your review..I never managed this and ended up with a resin printer.
8:40
That "vase with crazy mesh geometry" is actually a Klein Bottle:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_bottle
Hey love the videos, just subscribed because I realized I never did....
Anyways, would you still recommend the X1 after using it all this time? Thanks. Looking to buy one, and want to make sure over time it still holds up
Hey! Thanks for watching and the subscription. Absolutely! Out of all of the machines I have used in the sub $500 range I love the SideWinder and still think it is a fantastic option. You will not be dissapointed.
@@ModBotArmy thanks alot man! I can't wait to get mine and start making some functional prints. Thanks again
All you need is isopropyl alcohol to quickly and cleanly remove hot glue.
Is the Hornet noisy??
Very quiet. The fans are the loudest aspect but considering there are two cooling fans it is much quieter than many machines I have tested.
I really don’t understand the pricing on this machine.
I would rather choose the genius for the same price or save up to the Sidewinder, if I needed the space.
Same here, hoping that they will take the feedback into consideration. I love my Genius for the price I think it is a great machine.
How will Hornet🐝 behave when there is no filament or electricity❓❓❓
I love my sidewire x1
Good test i stay by SideWinder x1
This is Good
Looks a lot like Tevo/Homers tarantula RS.
I will have to look into this printer!
9:24 Ultrabase needs gluestick
That is what I normally do and will absolutely continue to do so. :)
@@ModBotArmy Polycarbonate sheet is GREAT for PLA
It looks like a Tevo Homers Tarantula RS.
I have seen a tiny bit on this. I havent had as good of an experience with Tevo or (Homer) printers. It has been some time since I have tested though so things could have changed.
Looks like an awesome contender to the Ender 3 Lineup, if they act like you said. I honestly really like my Artillery Sidewinder and can't wait to see more printers made by Artillery on the market!
Yeah the Sidewinder is great. I am hoping they listen to the feedback and adjust the pricing for this machine. They are missing that super entry point Ender 3 pricing so far.
Looks like my Tevo Homers pro
Great points, seams like a different approach. I've seed Boden and electronic cabling first at "Proper Printing" RUclips channel.
Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us👍😁🎆
Thanks for watching man :) I hope you had a great New Years!
245° on a teflon tube hotend?
Oh yeah, I have done that for years with no issues and no melting. That is my max, above that you want to go all metal.
@@ModBotArmy I´ve always though that you could never go above 235-240º because the ptfe tube will start to melt(degrade) and to expel fumes
I like the printer but the price does need to drop.
Yeah I am feeling the same way. To close the Genius in price.
Why would you buy this machine when you can get a BIQU B1 for less??
Is it true Chep from filament friday was trying to hire a hitman to kill 3d printing nerd?
probably ...lol
Bowden, PTFE-lined hotend, no filament-sensor, no ABL, small bed and proprietary cabling at that price point? No thanks ... The looks probably cost money, but all that stuff will be in the way when trying to upgrade or even troubleshoot/fix. With these specs, it is more in plain old Ender-3 area, so sub $200...
Yeah I totally agree at the price, I am surprised with how much they took away compared to their other printers.
Thank you but will pass on this product. There is stiff competition out there. I do not like plastic tubing for the filament supply.
first. good stuff!
Woohoo thanks Jun!
👍👍😎👍👍
Nice printer, but I think Genius is better...
Yeah at the price totally.
definitely not worth the $260 price tag
parla italiano facof !
1 of my 6 is a hornet and I order 4 more I love it
Terrible price point
IMHO ... Bowden is bad.
I have used both lots over the years and both print what I want fine. I like direct for the times I want flexibles and I feel they do better with stringing. However, I do believe bowden can be pushed to print quicker.
@@ModBotArmy I've had so many issues with the Teflon tube and its fittings over the years (CR-10s) that I am probably biased.