Blizz strikes again with genius game balance and card design Had decent meta with multiple classes being viable -> release boring miniset with 1-2 outlier cards in it that screw everything up They will nerf the outlier cards, and then we get stuck with boring miniset. Same old pattern
I hit top 200 playing painlock with the new lifesteal minion and deal 3 to self zilly. Cult neophyte also beats mage so easily. even cut popgar and the deck is way more consistent. Just attach the lifesteal onto molten giant, malefic rook, cursed souvenir target, or zilliax and it heals yourself enough to squeeze wins vs any deck
@@Satyaembodied Here you go, I cut out most the somewhat situational cards so the decks super fluid now ### Pain Warlock # Class: Warlock # Format: Standard # Year of the Pegasus # # 2x (1) Flame Imp # 2x (1) Mass Production # 2x (1) Party Fiend # 2x (1) Spirit Bomb # 2x (2) Cult Neophyte # 2x (2) Cursed Souvenir # 2x (2) Elementium Geode # 2x (2) Imployee of the Month # 2x (3) Malefic Rook # 1x (3) Trolley Problem # 2x (4) INFERNAL! # 1x (4) Sheriff Barrelbrim # 2x (5) Blood Treant # 1x (5) Symphony of Sins # 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000 # 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000 # 1x (2) Haywire Module # 1x (4) Ticking Module # 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror # 2x (22) Molten Giant # AAECAZ2rBAT5xgWhkgbHpAamqAYNhKAEzuQFzvoFxJ4G0J4Go6AGnLMGnrgGw7gGlcoGp8oGqeEG8OYGAAED8bMGx6QG9rMGx6QG6N4Gx6QGAAA= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
I am normally quite forgiving with the balance team but I am just utterly baffled as to why they would buff tsunami so hard when they knew they were gonna give the archetype such an amazing card. If I had know this card was going to be released soon I would've left the deck alone until mini-set time and see where it lands from there. I would be shocked if Tsunami doesn't go back to it's original version
My brief experience with Big Spell Mage over the last 2 days were losing to Reno decks: Shaman and Warrior to be specific. Mind you in both matches they had both Zilliax and Reno in their top 10 cards and I had some pretty miserable draws after my mulligan but Reno might be a decent matchup depending on mulligan.
Just a reminder that most of yall said it's good to wait a couple weeks before the first balance patch. Do you still feel that way now? Enjoy these couple of weeks 😂😂😂
There's a nice recruit druid. a large shopper DH that work. even pain rogue exists now. and odyn warrior is actually good now... zeddy missed many new decks.
I used to scoff at people saying theyre leaving the game and blah blah Hearthstone is dying… after this miniset though I gave MTGA a try and I have to say I will be completing weekly quests and thats it. MTGA is less flashy and colourful but its 10 times more satisfying in terms of gameplay.
The idea is to play Awakening Tremors on 1, Sasquawk on 2 to fill your hand, and then ideally coin Monkey Business on 3/4 for a juicy board as most bananas land on your minions.
They should really nerf Skyla, but we all know they don’t want us to get that dust and yes, they gonna find a way around the real problem like they always do
I was trying out big spell mage, and came across a very weird counter. A sort of "Recruit Druid" but in standard. It uses Oaken shield to cheat out 4 mana 6/8s (The forge cards) from deck. On 9, Flight Director Dungar just floods the board. Runs some other beefy cards to just stop those Tsunamis and Sunset Volleys from affecting the board. Really heavy counter to the Tsunami you can play on 4 if they've already ramped on 2. Can't find a deck list anywhere, so I guess it's a home brew. Can't speak for the consistency, but looks like a really cool deck.
It's just the new ramp druid. I've played it some it's good not great It's on donkey (hs guru) just towards the bottom of standard decks Iirc Edit: found it for ya I'll paste deck code AAECAZICBp/zBamVBvajBsekBoviBvvlBgyunwSaoAaboAagoAaHqAbvqQbDugbVugbawQbQygbzygb35QYAAQP0swbHpAb3swbHpAbu3gbHpAYAAA==
If you consider the best midrange decks like rainbow dk and 40hp reno decks (there are only 2 or 3 true control decks but are not high tier)you can certainly adjust the lists to beat combo druid as well as aggro but you will still get dominated by there good draw half the time
Mage was unplayable before? Hit LEGEND with DJ MANASTORM big mage before skyla using tsunami sunset volley yogg in the box and other big spells ... But had to wait till 9 MANA to cheat a tsunami for 0... And still it was crazy good ... Don't know what you're talking about but skyla needs a nerf ASAP. Nerf it to REDUCE the cost of a spell by 3 instead ... King tide is also a good high roll for turn 4-5 if you want to cheat a turn 5 tsunami with a good mulligan . But the combined interaction with skyla , surfalopod , watercolour artist , conniving conman , sea shill , skyla and king tide is absolutely insane ... There is no way you have a bad mulligan in the deck , you always get to cast tsunami turn 3-4-5 no matter what. All of these cards combined together make the game unplayable .
cause if you are playing a 3/4 remove your opponents weapon for 3 mana, to counter 50 mana plays, the viper wont do much. the weapons are strong, but rarely do weapons come on board without more threatening things being the issue. even if its turn 4, and a paladin plays their weapon, you can play a 3 mana 3/4 next turn and have that on board and that used as a card. or you can do a broken 10-50 mana play with alot of the classes. on the flip side if you survive 3 mid game tsunami's as a control deck, and then they play kadgar and you remove it, it wasnt cause of viper that game was won, it was cause you survived all their tsunami's and they ran out.
Because having a Spider Tank in your deck for all the times where you're not facing a deck that actually gets significantly harmed by weapon removal is statistically worse than the positive of occasionally screwing over a Handbuff pally who hasn't got both weapons in hand or a Weapon Rogue who's buffed up their weapon a ton.
as a person playing this game for 1 year now, i dont understand what makes mage so much different from when Warrior or Druid was on top ? they spent ages trying to fix it, but when mage is on a slightly better way its getting nerfed in i guess a emergency patch ?? Is it because people are just used to losing to Paladin/Druid and Warrior this year that they have this Stockholm syndrome for these classes ???
My most satisfying win against the mage was when I basically prevented them from playing because of an insane draw as ramp Druid. I was at 11 mama by the time my opponent had 5.
Im a free 2 play player and hit legend last month - now this month im getting put against nothing but meta decks and its terrible. This game is so pay to win its insane. I wouldnt be mad if i could atleast compete but man, the power creep discrepancy is INSANE.
Tbh big spell mage isn't really pay to win just buy the miniset for 2k in game gold and you don't really need other legendaries, King Tide is optional I find
lul big spell mage still losing vs warlock cheat druid and warrior easely . and all the unbalanced dk decks out same whit shamane. ok need to correct hes realy brocken i dident see it but now wen i play him op mutch better than my old
I played all day the day the mini-set was released and I faced 90% mage through the whole day before any RUclipsr could actually make any "NeW MaG3 bR0kEn fReE WiN" videos soooooo :/
Mage was unplayable ? Got legend with DJ MANASTORM big mage before skyla using tsunami sunset volley yogg in the box and other big spells ... But had to wait till 9 MANA to cheat a tsunami for 0... And still it was crazy good ... Don't know what you're talking about but skyla needs a nerf ASAP. Nerf it to REDUCE the cost of a spell by 3 instead ... King tide is also a good high roll for turn 4-5 if you want to cheat a turn 5 tsunami with a good mulligan . But the combined interaction with skyla , surfalopod , watercolour artist , conniving conman , sea shill , skyla and king tide is absolutely insane ... There is no way you have a bad mulligan in the deck , you always get to cast tsunami turn 3-4-5 no matter what. All of these cards combined together make the game unplayable .
Here are the top 5 Big Spell Mage decks to hit LEGEND after the Mini Set.
aayyyy its Clark! sup bro?
we need nerfs so fast it's all mage this comment is so real lol
Hopefully some content creators will make some videos about how trash the game has become over the years
Only about 3 in my last 20 have not been mages. So funny how the game does the bait and switch.
After much feedback on how strong tsunami mage has been, we’ve decided to remove the rogue class
Also, we're buffing Paladin and Painlock for some reason.
Glad that I found your videos, just got back into hearthstone and love your videos.
Hey Zeddy :)
Thank you for updating us this frequently! You are really a master in your scene! Keep going!
Stay healthy and have a great day!
Blizz strikes again with genius game balance and card design
Had decent meta with multiple classes being viable -> release boring miniset with 1-2 outlier cards in it that screw everything up
They will nerf the outlier cards, and then we get stuck with boring miniset. Same old pattern
Seriously the meta was PERFECT last week darn it I actually was this close to recommending the game to friends.
@@Ruddlinethe only thing I don't like is warrior I hate facing warrior
@@djoctavio1234 warrior is easy, go play fatigue warlock that all u need to farm warriors
@@djoctavio1234 How do u hate facing a t3 class?
Complaining about an unreleased product is a whole new level of bitching
I hit top 200 playing painlock with the new lifesteal minion and deal 3 to self zilly. Cult neophyte also beats mage so easily. even cut popgar and the deck is way more consistent. Just attach the lifesteal onto molten giant, malefic rook, cursed souvenir target, or zilliax and it heals yourself enough to squeeze wins vs any deck
List plss
@@Satyaembodied
Here you go, I cut out most the somewhat situational cards so the decks super fluid now
### Pain Warlock
# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Pegasus
#
# 2x (1) Flame Imp
# 2x (1) Mass Production
# 2x (1) Party Fiend
# 2x (1) Spirit Bomb
# 2x (2) Cult Neophyte
# 2x (2) Cursed Souvenir
# 2x (2) Elementium Geode
# 2x (2) Imployee of the Month
# 2x (3) Malefic Rook
# 1x (3) Trolley Problem
# 2x (4) INFERNAL!
# 1x (4) Sheriff Barrelbrim
# 2x (5) Blood Treant
# 1x (5) Symphony of Sins
# 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 1x (2) Haywire Module
# 1x (4) Ticking Module
# 2x (9) Imprisoned Horror
# 2x (22) Molten Giant
#
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#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
@@Chimeraeateverything you a real one! Thank you(:
Just hit legend with the Painlock deck, good shout as usual Zeddy!
I am normally quite forgiving with the balance team but I am just utterly baffled as to why they would buff tsunami so hard when they knew they were gonna give the archetype such an amazing card. If I had know this card was going to be released soon I would've left the deck alone until mini-set time and see where it lands from there. I would be shocked if Tsunami doesn't go back to it's original version
my thoughts exactly
My brief experience with Big Spell Mage over the last 2 days were losing to Reno decks: Shaman and Warrior to be specific. Mind you in both matches they had both Zilliax and Reno in their top 10 cards and I had some pretty miserable draws after my mulligan but Reno might be a decent matchup depending on mulligan.
Just a reminder that most of yall said it's good to wait a couple weeks before the first balance patch. Do you still feel that way now? Enjoy these couple of weeks 😂😂😂
Haven’t played for a few months and now I’m excited to come back
I still play Death knight rainbow with the naga that summons
Should i keep playing it ?
I like the build and it's still doing well
Yea it’s still great. Zeddy is mostly showing off new decks
You do you boo
Still grinding with it on ladder and it's doing ok but mage has been brutal
@@kyleott6101 mage is brutal...
@indertek on the plus side pirate demon hunter is fun and it's super cheap too. I much prefer playing dk but dh has been good
just getting back into hearthstone after many years
Thanks for the great update Zeddy
there's a lot of people rocking that legend card back ever since that mage deck exists lmao
Double frost DK can win against mage, especially if you add some shaman brochures it helps, tried Zeph too, but he whiffs sometimes
Thanks for the quest suggestions for wild.
There's a nice recruit druid. a large shopper DH that work. even pain rogue exists now. and odyn warrior is actually good now... zeddy missed many new decks.
Love your decks! Thanks for the videos
I used to scoff at people saying theyre leaving the game and blah blah Hearthstone is dying… after this miniset though I gave MTGA a try and I have to say I will be completing weekly quests and thats it. MTGA is less flashy and colourful but its 10 times more satisfying in terms of gameplay.
Even Shaman in Wild with Hydration Totem is killer
I'm still picking around with Pain Warlock to try and get 500 wins but I luckily beat Big spell mage 6 games in a row.
looking for a good mage deck like this for WILD any suggestions
Trying to play nonmeta decks and seems like Im Bad. Cant handle the t4/5 tsunami over and over 😂
Hey Zeddy could you please explain why Sasquawk is a good card?
The idea is to play Awakening Tremors on 1, Sasquawk on 2 to fill your hand, and then ideally coin Monkey Business on 3/4 for a juicy board as most bananas land on your minions.
Just nerf tsunami back to 3 elementals already.
TBH, this deck is broken because of a rogue 4 drop. They need to revert that buff.
I agree but that would just kill the deck outright. They'll probably nerf it to 5 at some point. @@aldanimared368
@@aldanimared368 stop nerfing rogue card or I would cry
@@impkiller5932No
They should really nerf Skyla, but we all know they don’t want us to get that dust and yes, they gonna find a way around the real problem like they always do
I planning to come back, is it good cheap deck for returning players?
Elemental Mage ?
Love this game, came back after a 2 year hiatus
Great content, Zeddy!
how are people mixing mage and rouge cards?
same q, cant find a clue
oh i copied that code from a video description, and game read it from buffer somehow and suggest me a deck lol
In the new expansion they made tourist cards which allow you to mix classes basically.
I miss fatigue control decks and not needing to play around generated cards
No commentaries about Demon Seeds it is crazy fast!
I met Quest Mage sometimes in rank 2 and 1 diamond! 😅
I love mage is broken but I do miss the old hearthstone
Pain Lock.
Hit top 120 Legend using pain lock, it eats druids and mages for breakfast.
Love ya energy legend
I was trying out big spell mage, and came across a very weird counter. A sort of "Recruit Druid" but in standard. It uses Oaken shield to cheat out 4 mana 6/8s (The forge cards) from deck. On 9, Flight Director Dungar just floods the board. Runs some other beefy cards to just stop those Tsunamis and Sunset Volleys from affecting the board. Really heavy counter to the Tsunami you can play on 4 if they've already ramped on 2. Can't find a deck list anywhere, so I guess it's a home brew. Can't speak for the consistency, but looks like a really cool deck.
He accidently queued up in standard and actually meant to go to casual to test his werid deck and still beat you lol
@@djharris6822 Could be the case honestly, but well played either way haha.
It's just the new ramp druid. I've played it some it's good not great
It's on donkey (hs guru) just towards the bottom of standard decks Iirc
Edit: found it for ya I'll paste deck code
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And here i am, playing hunter even when i cant do half of the things other classes do... And hit golden 5, i am happy enough uwu
Why is Zephrys always high this mini set?
They need to nerf wild pirate decks and demon seed so badly, control/combo are almost unplayable in wild 🙄
I would advise you to look at Maxie's (last MT winner, a very good wild player) wild tier list
You will find control and combo decks
Combo is certainly playable in Wild. One of the strongest decks in Wild is Tog Druid, which is a combo deck.
@@tarille1043No one plays tog they play charge combo that wins on turn 4
If you consider the best midrange decks like rainbow dk and 40hp reno decks (there are only 2 or 3 true control decks but are not high tier)you can certainly adjust the lists to beat combo druid as well as aggro but you will still get dominated by there good draw half the time
Mage was unplayable before? Hit LEGEND with DJ MANASTORM big mage before skyla using tsunami sunset volley yogg in the box and other big spells ... But had to wait till 9 MANA to cheat a tsunami for 0... And still it was crazy good ... Don't know what you're talking about but skyla needs a nerf ASAP. Nerf it to REDUCE the cost of a spell by 3 instead ... King tide is also a good high roll for turn 4-5 if you want to cheat a turn 5 tsunami with a good mulligan . But the combined interaction with skyla , surfalopod , watercolour artist , conniving conman , sea shill , skyla and king tide is absolutely insane ... There is no way you have a bad mulligan in the deck , you always get to cast tsunami turn 3-4-5 no matter what. All of these cards combined together make the game unplayable .
100%
They should honestly hotfix mage asap
Took down a mage with painloc even after they played tsunami twice in one of my games
isn't metal detector a rouge class card
“Dumb” as the deck name is indeed, correct
Hearthstone sounds super fun right now. I'm not playing until they nerf mage. I wish they would do another solo adventure soon.
So it sounds fun, but you won't play until mage gets nerfed. Makes so much sense
Welp goodbye Zarimi tine to start grinding reno shaman.
With Odín Warrior o survive 6 tsunamis the mage surrender after i cleared the board again
yeah zeddy lets gooo
Mage Madness 🦈🐋🌊
Dorian or Psychmelon need a hit. Wild is so toxic rn if you enjoy slower strategies
Why does no one run viper in decks? There’s so many weapons that are playable. Maybe I’m just playing the game wrong
Viper also wrecks Khadgar
cause if you are playing a 3/4 remove your opponents weapon for 3 mana, to counter 50 mana plays, the viper wont do much.
the weapons are strong, but rarely do weapons come on board without more threatening things being the issue.
even if its turn 4, and a paladin plays their weapon, you can play a 3 mana 3/4 next turn and have that on board and that used as a card. or you can do a broken 10-50 mana play with alot of the classes.
on the flip side if you survive 3 mid game tsunami's as a control deck, and then they play kadgar and you remove it, it wasnt cause of viper that game was won, it was cause you survived all their tsunami's and they ran out.
@@trixmtll1393some decks that can afford to play E.T.C. does run the card cause It can out right win you some match up like weapon rogue
Because having a Spider Tank in your deck for all the times where you're not facing a deck that actually gets significantly harmed by weapon removal is statistically worse than the positive of occasionally screwing over a Handbuff pally who hasn't got both weapons in hand or a Weapon Rogue who's buffed up their weapon a ton.
as a person playing this game for 1 year now, i dont understand what makes mage so much different from when Warrior or Druid was on top ? they spent ages trying to fix it, but when mage is on a slightly better way its getting nerfed in i guess a emergency patch ??
Is it because people are just used to losing to Paladin/Druid and Warrior this year that they have this Stockholm syndrome for these classes ???
I head shaman is doing okay against magr
Beautiful skin
As long as the Deck knocks out these boring yellow guys its ok for me
Is this second?
Mage is crazy
My most satisfying win against the mage was when I basically prevented them from playing because of an insane draw as ramp Druid. I was at 11 mama by the time my opponent had 5.
Cool
So you beat broken sh*t with even more broken sh*t, that's classic hearthstone balance right there. Who knew power creep could be such a problem?
You need more dust, mate.
Im a free 2 play player and hit legend last month - now this month im getting put against nothing but meta decks and its terrible. This game is so pay to win its insane. I wouldnt be mad if i could atleast compete but man, the power creep discrepancy is INSANE.
Tbh big spell mage isn't really pay to win just buy the miniset for 2k in game gold and you don't really need other legendaries, King Tide is optional I find
hi, here to make you go broke :)
Fun not allowed
🎉🎉
Lets get salty it is...
I just returned to hs give me some luck I need it
Playing mage for the time it will be broken
i hate how Highlander DH is still bad and Priest and Hunter had the worst cards
The payoff with Kurtrus isn't enough, only real problem with it
Like and Comment!
Go B.roke
This game seems sadder by the day. No cheap, fun decks
Gaminnnggg
So mage decks huh?
Hearthstone=Slot Machine with no payout
This is BULLSHIT, cued 5 mages in a row.. would love to be able to erase my memory so I could play elden ring from scratch until blizzard nerfs mage
I barely hit 50% with big spell mage…
Ragggg
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lul big spell mage still losing vs warlock cheat druid and warrior easely . and all the unbalanced dk decks out same whit shamane. ok need to correct hes realy brocken i dident see it but now wen i play him op mutch better than my old
How can there be 10 decks if only 1 exists?
Pirate DH smacks it hard
The only reason big spell mage is so popular is because certain RUclipsrs tend to go “NeW bRoKeN mAGe FrEe WiN DeCk”
Found the mage player.
@@PandoloFox Good try, but im a Warlock player.
@@joonyah8904 Sure you are
Nah it’s cus turn 5 12/24 with charge or pyroblast with a 10 drop feels pretty good to play. Then turn 6 play 1 card that repeats it
I played all day the day the mini-set was released and I faced 90% mage through the whole day before any RUclipsr could actually make any "NeW MaG3 bR0kEn fReE WiN" videos soooooo :/
crying so hard about Mage, not even best 3 decks in game
It’s just a bit brainless. And irritating to play against.
The game is horrible cheesier than ever!
13 seconds after upload and zero likes, you fell off zeddy
Nah, HS fell off
Its funny how a week ago mage was borderline unplayable and now that its good again people want it nerfed. Just get good
It was decent, it’s for sure over tuned now though. At least Conman needs a nerf.
Mage was unplayable ? Got legend with DJ MANASTORM big mage before skyla using tsunami sunset volley yogg in the box and other big spells ... But had to wait till 9 MANA to cheat a tsunami for 0... And still it was crazy good ... Don't know what you're talking about but skyla needs a nerf ASAP. Nerf it to REDUCE the cost of a spell by 3 instead ... King tide is also a good high roll for turn 4-5 if you want to cheat a turn 5 tsunami with a good mulligan . But the combined interaction with skyla , surfalopod , watercolour artist , conniving conman , sea shill , skyla and king tide is absolutely insane ... There is no way you have a bad mulligan in the deck , you always get to cast tsunami turn 3-4-5 no matter what. All of these cards combined together make the game unplayable .
Ive only fought like 2 mages out of 40 games. I think zeddy is dehydrated
>play pirate DH
>farm mages
>profit