WHICH OIL Do We Use for our Track Cars and WHY?
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- It is a recurring question and for a good reason: what oil do we use in our cars and why? Now in season downtime, I managed to steal some of George's time to explain all the necessary questions when it comes to engine oil.
Topics:
00:00 Intro
01:10 Cars explained
02:45 Viscosity explained
05:04 Why 5W30?
08:24 How often changing?
09:00 Longlife oil
09:32 NA vs Turbocharged
11:45 BMW M3/M4 S55 Engine
14:37 DCT/DSG Oil
18:02 McLaren 620R
18:38 Porsche GT2 RS MR
21:00 VW/Audi 1.8T
22:07 Why Liqui Moly?
24:47 GT2 RS Oil Changes
25:52 GT2 RS Oil Cost
26:55 Outro
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I personally like to use olive oil...
This is not your mixer Tom..
This was about cars Tom :))
@@tiagom.2706 Luckily he keeps it personal. You don't wanna know when he revs in his hands.
Sorry mate, but engine oils have nothing in common with your sexual experience 😅
Only on the Italian cars
Goodmorning indeed! 30-40 minutes is perfect!
I hoped you mentioned brake fluid, there is a lot of myths and probably misconception about it.
Not really "oil", but we'll bring it up with our brakes video!
Almost all cars have the type of Brake fluid that is required for the system listed on the top of the master cylinder fill cap as well as in the owners manual . The manual will have a list of recommended brands and most manufactures will list the if they're factory approved on the label . Using anything other than what the factory recommends will void your warranty , and can cause damage to unmodified brake systems .
PUNDARE!!!
Endless brake fluid is the best !.
Two hundred and forty FIRST!!!!
#winning
A would appreciate a video about the DSG/ DKG / PDK oil change 😬
i asked BMW that question but they said it is not necessary to change that oil! even after 100000km
i encourage this! since i didnt hear what type of oil they use, or have there preference!
nice videos misha always a joy
@@selespeed3 But the transmission manufacturers that sells their transmissions to BMW says every 60000 km in a normal use, long life oil are bullshit :D
One of the most relevant oil measurements is the HTHS (high temperature high shear) number.
You are right !.
The 5W-30 LL was the first thing i got rid off after receiving my Mk6 GTI and changed to 5W40 (which is also covered by VW)
Interesting that you use it for nearly all cars, but yes driving conditions determine what you should use
Hello Comrade ... interesting video as always. I"ve been changing the engine oil (5W30 LL) on my 2018 MK7.5 Golf R every 6K of "spirited" road miles from new and also additional oil changes after TD / Ring trips. It's @ 20K miles now and so far it's had 4 oil & filter changes. (VW recommend around 15K miles between oil changes) which I personally think it's too far apart. Previously on my 2003 M3 CSL I changed it's 10W60 engine oil & filter every 3K miles but that was extensively used at the Ring & UK TDs and not a daily driver like the Golf R is. BMW recommendation for the E46 M3 / CS & the CSL is 15K road miles as well, which is way too much for the S54 engine IMHO and it's what often causes the catastrophic failure of the S54 bottom end... as well as the Vanos issues. My Golden rule is... change engine oil way more frequently than any OEM recommendation.
I love the smell of engine oil in the morning 😄
Ive been running liqui moly for last couple of years in both street and race cars. Really good stuff👍
I think they still are a family owned company, whitch is pretty cool
Man the GT86 Is so slick
Have you ever done an oil analysis of the used oil to see how bad the oil is after a certain time?
It’s just ca 75€ and you get a Full Report of all main oil properties
Interested aswell!
This.
Would be interesting to do!
Compared to the US, around here in Europe an used oil analysis costs as much as an oil change. Or more (I've been quoted between 60EUR and 200EUR for an UOA). I've got 6 bottles from Blackstone and I will ship some oil over to the US because it's cheaper. Until then I will just drain the oil at 2500-6000kms (depending on how it looks, smells, and how I drove with it) because it seems to be cheaper than just keeping it in the engine 2k kms more and paying for an UOA just to see if I could go any longer with it.
@@mgcharoudin highly recommend Blackstone Laboratories
I love the tutorial format that you, and Robert have been doing lately! Big thanks to you, and George, for giving us the real world information on the Apex vehicles operation and service.
Maintenance vlogs would be an awesome addition to your channel. Imo what always made your channel so great was the variety. You showed us every aspect of life at the Ring, and despite a lot of it not being flashy or exciting it was fun to watch because it was honest and felt genuine.
Probably lots of “racers “ will understand that manufacturers say 10/15k km for the street normal driving.
More abuse of the acceleration means less km for the oil life 👌
Thanks M&G 👍
Use Ester Synthetic,
ester oil is superior. The number one reason to use ester oil is bond. Ester oil has an electrochemical bond because the ester molecule is polar, sort of like a fridge magnet. It is attracted to metal and sticks. Normal synthetic oil, PAO, is like plastic in your fridge, it will just fall off once the pressure is released. All commercial jet planes flying use an ester synthetic oil.
Good morning Misha and George, very informative yet again.
Perfect start on a Saturday morning 😊👍
Great practical info. Manufacturers care more about doing well on fuel economy tests than extending the life of your car. 40 weight oil has additives that aren't in thinner oils because they fail emissions tests. Heavier oils also create fewer deposits in DI engines. Good videos from driven racing oil.
Top, informational and quality content as always. Enjoyed this one Misha & George :)
Didn't think this vid would for me... but watched it till end... a sign of great informative content 👍
Liqui Moly better sponsor this channel now 😂
I know right 😂
Ahaha
The best oil in The world xaxaxa
Nah, this oil review was presented by y-food 🤪🤣🤣
TURBONEGRO!!
Good video. Well thought out and presented. Thank you. Showcasing the cars as a visual aid worked really well. This is also content that can be listened to whilst the viewer undertakes other tasks. A spot of Liqui Moly branding would be a nice touch on the cars.
I remember using mineral oils and semi synthetic. I'm old.
Lol.time has changed mate
I remember using full synthetic oil in my 2 stroke moped and found I could use half as much back in 1980..so from then I knew how much better synthetic oil was.... :-)
SMURF!!
@@callefalk6557 Snoopy!
3:20 society (of) automotive engineers (US Automotive Standards)
Same like „VDA“ in Germany
Love this sort on content always really informative and gives you a better idea of what goes in to running this sort of a business.
Glad to see you guys make it through the COVID situation. Seems like world leaders are trying to put small businesses out of business.
Really best channel on youtube. I see that you really know what your talking about. A huge BIG up for true facts.
Seriously good one. More videos of this sort please. We also need a proper detailing vlog with Pete again.
Great content. I wish more people maintain their DSG, SMG and all G gearboxes more regularly.
I always change the DSG oil at 20k miles. Same with Haldex oil. Basically half the recommended change schedule. I would rather spend a small amount on more regular maintenance than £2-3000 on a new mechatronic unit.
@@Mac_F87 That's great. I wish in future when I buy other car with this type of gearbox to be from a guy like you. Most of the people never change it and only drive it. In my country most cars are second hand cars from Italy and that's gonna be problem.
@@TheMilenkata I learnt the hard way. My last car had a mechatronic failure. I bought it with when it had done 37k. I think those had been 37k hard miles with lots of launches and no gearbox maintenance!
@@Mac_F87 Have u ever had issues in the summer? Like that the DSG oil is overheating?
@@ZanicL3 I’ve never had any issue with that yet. I have not had any of my DSG cars in track though. Could well happen on track when being driven hard.
Thanks, was wondering about the M2. I've not run mine on track and having an experienced view on these things like oil and brake pads really helps. I've put braided brake lines and some Pagid RSL29's on it, flushed the brakefluid to RBF660. I'm hoping this will do for my local track (Zolder, lot's of hard braking). I'll be replacing the oil after this first track day next week, according to the bill i've received with the car it has 0W40 in it from a main BMW dealer.
I've done the same 'one oil fits all' type of exercise for a fleet of 5000 cars. When I arrived at this job they used 4 different types of oils, I thought this was madness since the mechanics then just used whatever was closest available to their work station, some just used the same oil for every single car. I managed to get it down to 2 types of oil which suite all manufacterers spec (0W20, 5W30, Petronas). So now it's easier for the mechnanics and it saves a lot in storage cost and we got better deals from suppliers so costs went down. Total win win situation.
I really like this type of videos with George 👌
I switched to Castrol Edge Long Life 5w30 about 5 years ago and it's been the only oil where during the interval it didn't burn off enough to trigger a low oil life. Everything else I've tried, it drops by at least 1 litre in 15-20k km interval.
I like this deeper tech talk a lot!
George....nice mention for Opie oils. I get great service from them for Ester-based Motul 5W50. Cheers Misha for an informative vid on how things are done at the Apex garage.
I use Castrol Edge 0W-40 on my 335i (n54). Works wonderfully!
Castrol isn't good compared to other oil producers. Try motul instead, it’s a way better formula.
@@AlbonHamburg for european weather wouldnt 5w40 make more sense? 5 allows to start/drive up to -30C while the 40 doesnt say as much as the 5 i believe it can handle high heat better than the 0w40 . For example Liqui moly / Meguin full synthetic oil.
@@visker81You are right ! . 5w40 viscosity oils is perfect for Europe.
@@MDEV-86x86 thanks appreciate it.
Awesome video from you and George again Misha, also love that jacket George is supporting very nice, get onto Robert and get them in the apex store and put me down for one 👍🏻
Nice! Very well explained,very informative.
Great video and again great cars as usual. Love the 911 GT3 RS and the 4 seater BMW.
Most important question is, what's the oil in George's og 1,9tdi, and your ring tractor
That deserves a video of its own.
These videos are dopely informative
Really great video.. Useful and informative 👍👍👍
Who the F%^& gives this video a thumbs down??? Where else can you get real practical knowledge like this. Misha and George thank You!
In 2007 we won the Daytona 24hr race. The oil we used was a store bought 15W50 Mobil1. Two years prior one of our cars ran the Daytona24 for 14hr to the end with oil temps pegged at 150C when body work was damaged and impeded air cooling. Mobil1 is the finest oil you can use for longevity and endurance. In my street turbo diesel car, I once extended an oil change to 18 months and 57000 km. Currently my car has 460000 km on orignal engine, turbo, clutch.
Great vid, love the technical stuff. We moved to 10w60 on my wife's 8P S3 as it's mainly used for track days. Being in South Africa, ambient temps are always high. We found that since changing to the 10w60, we get virtually no wear on the cam follower of the high pressure fuel pump, even with the upgraded pump internals. My E46 M3 runs 10w60 as well, as per manufacturer recommendations, won't change this due to the rod bearing issues that already affect the S54.
10w60 is the OE recommended visco? Interesting.
@@5thgearouttahere for the S54 yes, it's the recommend Viscosity from BMW for our region.
@@martindeoliveira5128 Cool
Apex, I love the video format but if you guys would write this stuff down into a blog with some numbers to underscore the research you guys are doing, you'd really strife to become an authority on the domain of auto racing with street cars. Finding proper knowledge on running regular cars on the track is extremely hard and in all my time this channel is the sole and only providing this kind of information. I thank you heartedly for this and I think a written Blog with the same content would be extremely valueable. I'd recommend hiring a freelance copywriter to transcribe these vlogs into a blog and I think you could draw even more traffic to your website and business. Thanks again guys, keep it up.
Good job! Wish you all the best in future
The video went very smooth!
Great video. Maserati quattroporte 4.2 and ferrari 360 use very thick oil and both sometime get problems on cam varistors.. now I know why. But it's an easy fix and their are amazing cars!! 🥰🥰😍
This topic today is a slippery slope! - Interesting Video!
I have been using Motul Oil 5W/60 for many years and it's amazing! 2008 R56 280PSI
you should make more videos with George, technical stuff sounds interesting to me
One of the problems you can run into with higher mileage life oils is the filter is not higher life.
I am excited for an in indepth video for the M2 :)
Misha, thanks for a great video, but it would be also great if you could go a bit deeper into details, do some testing or analysis (as other has already mentioned down in the comments) and not just oil, but brake fluid, filters and etc. Technical information always attracts car guys, it's especially valuable from a person that inside that industry! Thanks for the videos! Спасибо!
we usually use motul 300v on the track in china and change it after 3000KM, every one care the engine if work well but nobody care transmission oil but now i got it through this video thx Misha
Thank you guys! Great to see the cars, enjoy this variant of 'full chat' for sure, your Cupra so liked from here 👍
On the topic of lubrication, what is the APEX preferred brand for the cars' glass cleaning, (Summer vs Autumn)
and does APEX use factory supplied car windowblades or do you change them (high speed, usage, or season)
Good Evening Misha & George.
9:20pm NZtime & my phone notifys me of your new Vlog post
The Science & physics of various grades of Oils is very interesting!
I LiKE it !..👍🙂👍
I gotta say I LOVE the color of the iridescent Blue BMW you had parked in the line up. And I much much prefer the front grille design compared to the BiG UGLY lookin SNOUT of the new latest model Beemer!
LOVE Ya Work bro💕
Godbless hava great weekend🙂
Near the end, it was mentioned ‘no issues like with cheaper oils’ ... what kind of issues were these ?
Very informative video.
Great video 👍 very helpful
Hey! Maybe you guys can mention/ask George what about the supposed "lifetime fluid" that many manufacturers (e.g., Audi) say that the ZF 8 gearboxes have and should NEVER be changed? Love the content.
I personally run 0W30 in my E46 320i. Generally changing oil once it goes lower-ish on the dipstick.
As a further note. I drive a minimum of 2,000 km's a month. So changes are usually something like twice a year.
In my daily driver (2002 Jetta GLX 4 speed auto) i run Liqui Moly Molygen 5W40 personally, love that oil
Great video, thanks!
Great video am wait for video about dsg
I would love a video on the DCT fluid change procedure on the m2/m3. Curious how in depth you guys go for the fluid change. It seems like there are a few ways to change the fluid on these DCTs.
Informative video.
On a side note, which ppf do you use on the cars? They look beautiful and blemish free.
Which wax do you use on the cars as well?
Thanks, and keep the great videos coming.
look at that, 0 dislikes ah what a beautiful sight
You jinxed it. There’s always one. Lol
Or 6 🙄 I've noticed the dickhead ratio is usually around 1/100 on Misha's channel
“Dickhead ratio” I have to remember that for when I’m at work. 😂
I REALLY hope I can get some more info from you guys regarding servicing. I bought a BMW M4 2 years ago, and in those two years, it's seen less than 3K miles. BMW state that every 3rd oil change, they need to replace the spark plugs. As this is a £1000 service, is this REALLY needed?
Misha it would be hugely educational if you got the taxi oil tested, you guys have such an extreme use case.
Even if you can't share the specifics with us, please let us know!
I alternate between the two official Ford specs listed for my car. 0W-40 in winter and 5W-50 for summer and track days.
You touched on the manufacturer approval for certain brands. There is an example with Mobil One where for a short period they did not agree on the price with BMW on the certification. So from one year to the next all of a sudden it was not good anymore but the oil composition was the same.
Certain people kept using it, while others did not. It’s a political game as well in some cases but I agree for peace of mind stay with the API/ SN from the OEM.
I also agree that Manthey is one of a kind. They will do their best to help and know their stuff. KW had a design flaw in their 2way Clubsport for the MK3 RS and following my collaboration with the Manthey suspension expert they had KW change the design to prevent the issue I detected on my car.
Other dealers would simply replace part for part and tell you to go away until the problem appears again and you come back.
If anyone wants to see excellence in cars without being judged for not running half a million under your bum, go to Manthey.
Thanks for doing this vid
Thanks for the video. Love the track car technicals. Which 5w-30 LM oil code are you using?
You guys should run the Mosselman oil thermostat on the S55s.. it’s only 329€ and makes a big difference on the oil temps. Remember the Christmas party last year?
Misha, you scared the shit out of me with your sponsor joke haha. I f*cking hate that crap. Keep up the good vlogs!
Good work Misha. I really like your video's. I learn a lot from this video's. What would you rather use a turbo kit or a supercharger for a BMW 320 1 from the 90's?
Keep up the good video's!
Save that money and swap for a real M engine.
Hey Misha Hey George...Thanks for reminding me I need an oil change...
I am very interested in the contents of George's toolbox and any specialist pieces of equipment to service the cars . I do my own maintenance on my M3 with a few basic items and that is a very fine tool chest in the background their Misha .!! Many thanks. 👍👍
On my 991.1 3.4, switching to Motul 5w40 from Mobil 1 0w40 quieted the valve train significantly. When warm, the noise can come from the top end of the engine from the two piece lifters, but don't quote me on that. When cold, the 911's top end can make noise since the hydraulic lifters need to fill. Told by multiple shops and dealers that both noises are "normal", but with 5w40 I don't ever hear both. Currently at 70k miles with a few track days, and still don't burn more than 100ml of oil every 7K miles.
Very interesting video. I know it's like digging up a year old story, but I came across it only now. What about the GR Yaris ? What Engine oil do you use in it ? OEM spec is 0W20 GF-6A (Does LiquiMoly cover this ILSAC feature ?) or somet higher grade oil due to high track mileage ?
I use Liqui Moly and it is great.
Brilliant info ... I’m looking now into the same oil W info on boat engines👍
Hey Misha the video was very informative and very good. Thank you. Is Robert or Apex going to build project cars that are "crazy builds" similar to some cars JP is building? Yes i know it´s nothing new but it would be cool to see with what ideas you´d come up with :)
Always used 5w40 on my '90s honda(s) VTEC. No issues even on trackdays.
Focken rice burner!
What's brand ?.
@@MDEV-86x86 motul
Question... I have quite a bit of track experience from karting and motorcycle racing. Currently tracking a fairly stock BRZ, and considering a switch to the M2. Thoughts, concerns or input?
i'm using 10w50 for my clio 3 rs for daily / track just need to warm up more for the winter :D
Do you guys change the oil filters every time?
Thank you!
Do you proceed motor oil flash? if so how frequently?
So what the e46 m3 must use in a race track?because it's a thick oli 10w60 as the bmw suggests but on track?
Hi Misha, I was wondering about the long life oil under normal circumstances. Here in America I’ve never heard of a oil full synthetic or not that can last 15,000-19,000 miles. Usually I see 10,000 which is the limit at which everybody changes their oil at or even before. Is there some special oil over there, or does this have to do with different regulations and what not?
As an oil analysis Nerd, Yes, modern syntetic motor oils from well known brands like Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Liqui Moly are very very very good, i would recommend Apex to have oil analysis done on one test car, i allways use 5W-40 on my 2005 Carerra S, no problems what so ever, oil analysis the last 5 years have been consistent ! OCI at 10000 km.
And Amsoil Signature Series !.
And what brand 5w40 you use in your Porsche?.
Great vid. Makes me wonder about the 10w60 on the E92’s S65.. for road use is it really worth it
maybe for the next video go more into detail what happed to the gt86. Are people money shifting it? If thats the case is the gearbox the only part damaged or does the engine have been damaged aswell? Love ur videos.
I can't wait for differ oil video. I run GT86 exclusively on track: changing engine oil after each 4 track days (Millers 5W30), but found out that differ is getting hot. So ended out changing differ oil every second oil change (Millers 75w140). Also put Cusco radiator on differ to cool it down. I wonder what your experiences are with GT86 maintenance in terms of oils, especially differ?
Best run an oil temp sensor and ensuring temp doesn't get too hot. 120c is a good cutoff. There is no oil cooler
Very interesting issues on the oil.
I use 5w40 on my van that comes for 40.000 kms and I change at 20.000 kms...think it's too much.
On my other cars 5w30 Castrol.
Good oil...change once per year.
Id say a 10w60 is defenetly more of a summer oil. Ill use 5w50 motul on my track car. Its an old really high reving car tho. So i think that this will be a good decision in that. On the other track car we run a simple 10w40 motul. Also an old car wich is not as high strung nor is it a very expensive engine. Quite a tanky engine that doesnt eat any oil.
The most important part on track used cars is the frequent oil change I think.
Oil that gets lots of extrem heat cycles wears much more quickly. And thats also very visible and even smellable. It just gets dark more quickly.
hi Misha, I personally use 10w60 for winter and 15w50 for summer from the Motul brand, I am on an island and for the manual gearbox it is the one recommended by Honda 😊😇😉
Bro that is so fucking thick. And why use a higher thickness in winter?
Hello for the winter the 10w60 is more suitable for my civic type r, given the number of revolutions minutes it takes and also the oil is operational very quickly despite the temperature of winter
Now let the oil discussions begin :D
You are tearing me apart Misha... Oh, hi Diana! @3:03 😂
Hi ! So what type of oil dis Georges advise for a stock 1.8T of Polo 9N3 GTI ? And then when it goes stage 2 ?