Lancer is not teleporting anywhere. Toby was just lazy and didn't give him walking animation. He sais so in his playground of Chapter 1. All enemy's in Deltarune can douge ONLY if you warn them. This isn't exclusive to Lancer. 6:40 You CAN kill enemy's in DR if you use SnowGrave in aborted ,, SnowGrave" runs(god that's confusing) if you use Noellle to attack normal enemys whit that specific attack. They do - in fact - turn to dust. People REAAAAALY latch on to that ,,Sans bleeds" point. I see 2 explanations - Its ketchup and Toby made it as a joke -Toby taught it would be more dramatic that way Yea , i think it's almost but confirmed Noelle is the Angel.
@@wisieroy4144 i personally think that sans was like... a monster that died next to a human skeleton, and their essence got absorbed into the skeleton.. so sans is not a human or a monster... just a skeleton, and blood is made in the bones so thats why he bleeds
Headcannon: Lancer doesn't have a walk cycle because Rouxls taught him how to walk, and he doesn't have one either. With this, you could also think that Rouxls taught him to teleport, because you see him do it in game. There's precedent for this in Lancer's writing, which resembles calligraphy, something Rouxls enjoys.
If Lancer could teleport then the dialogue with him in his room after you check him in your key items would be strange… it’s implied that he pretty much sprinted from within the player’s pocket to his location
Okay throwing one more comment in here as I just finished two left thumbs’s video on Sans being a darkner. He draws a connection between Lancer and Sans both “dodging” attacks, Sans being the only character capable of this prior to Deltarune, of course. In the Lancer battle with Susie, when you warn Lancer of Susie’s attacks, he also is capable of dodging. Maybe your teleportation argument is strengthened by it, but I have yet to have been personally convinced that Lancer has the ability to teleport, and I’ll give my reasoning. Lancer, more or less, shows all of his cards. He isn’t a character that knows more than they are letting on, if you catch my drift. In the story, he converses with you in such a way that it would feel very odd if he “hid” something as useful as teleportation. When he DOES feel the need to hide stuff, like about his dad, he gets very upset. Just for an example, I would understand if Ralsei secretly could teleport. Ralsei tends to only bring things up when it is absolutely necessary or is required of him, and this has been shown multiple times. Same could be said about Sans in a way, while he is blatant about his teleportation use (snow on the hot dog stand, him acting tongue and cheek about his shortcuts), he never speaks of it in a direct matter. Also, my memory is a bit foggy of the Rouxl’s scenes, but I do recall that whenever Rouxl’s teleports there is a bit of spectacle to the act. I wrote all of this, forgetting that I’m literally trying to poke holes in HEADCANNON xD… I love this stuff too much and just can’t stop myself from talking whenever I see the opportunity, but I hope you don’t mind because I’d like Cibles to see what I have to say as well.
The only problem I have with the part about Susie being able to teleport because she's with Lancer in the maze is the fact that she goes down a different path from Lancer, yet still manages to go ahead. Personally, considering how her character is, I imagine her just going through the dead end and just brute forcing her way through to get to the next area
@@zeo4481 he didn’t say anything about his walk animation, I highly doubt he thinks sliding is teleporting; he’s talking about things like, moving off-screen to the right yet coming in from the left, and such
This actually brings up a significant point that seems to be widely overlooked; Ralsei can appear anywhere because he doesn't exist in the light world, and nor is there any object that represents him. This is because he comes from the 'pure' fountain of castle town directly, where any darkner can exist in their usual state. As a result, he doesn't have to follow the same laws of reality as the lightners do, and as the two know of Ralsei, it could follow that he can appear as long as there are people there who have seen him before.
Actually, the triangles in the carpet don’t match with their characters’ color scheme, but with their battle icons (and their silhouette while doing the December spelling puzzle with Noelle), so if Noelle were to be represented, her color would be yellow, not white. I think this is just a red herring.
considering Asriel's final form directly resembles the Delta Rune but with hearts instead of triangles, I believe the triangles from the Delta Rune are supposed to represent human SOULs (the upright heart) and monster SOULs (the upside-down hearts), and so the blue triangle from the carpet might not actually be Kris, but perhaps the green triangle is that same final form also has an upright heart within the circle, so maybe the angel's heaven contains a human SOUL too? the SOUL we control might then not even be the bottom triangle, but the one contained by the circle
@@birdthatdontlie7441 Well we supposedly banish angels heaven at the end of the game, and at the end of the game we stop playing therefore kris isn’t being controlled by us anymore so that means they’re banishing us from their world. We also so have the weird remarks from Spamton in Snowgrave Route calling Noelle an angel, and if we consider the fact that Noelle has been the most effected from hearing us (refer to Snowgrave Route) and Noelle knowing Kris the most in the main group due to being childhood friends with them and therefore knowing Kris isn’t acting like themself we can deduce she is important in someway past chapter 2.
This theory seems sound until you realize that if Sans is a Darkner he cannot exist outside of a Dark World but shows up in the Light World every time we see him.
Yea, I watched two left thumbs vid on the sans is a darkner theory, this fact that darkners cannot be in the light world does compleatly debunk this theory.
This literaly will be a twist in the story let toby fox play out his cards Literaly everyone wants darkers to exist in the lightner world and it was forshadowed so much And so many people predict it as well
Despite Sans beeing a darkner sounding fucking ridiculous there's even more evidence for it than you mentioned. First of all Sans gets tired during the battle just like darkners do(and we never see any other character in UNDERTALE getting tired during battle). Secondly when Sans gets hit his health bar doesn't appear above his head even tho in UNDERTALE it appears above everyone else's head when they do get hit (aside from Flowey howether he's a plant not a monster so diffrent rules might apply to him) meanwhile in deltarune we never see the health bar appear above any darkner's head when we hit them. And thirdly after Sans gets hit in UNDERTALE he leaves our screen just like darkners do when they get defeated.
Something that disproves it is Sans doesn't turn into an inanimate object in the light world, which Darkeners do if they enter into the light world (Lancer to a Jack of Spades card and Rouxls Kaard to a Rules Card), by this logic Sans cannot be a darkener, Also your ending claim. . . Sans dusts after that so he still does dust
@@TheEmeraldCreeper This is very true but the 'Sans comes from Deltarune' theory still holds some value until we see the full picture of Deltarune, for example we still don't know who Sans is referring to as 'his brother' in Deltarune and he's probably only going to get involved with the plot and interact with the dark world in the later half of Deltarune.
Off the top of my head, I know that Knight Knight, a monster from Undertale, does get tired and fall asleep during battle, so your claim isn’t entirely right.
Darkners refer to Noelle in weird route as “angel” Also in undertale monsters refer to player as “angel” So either an angel - the guy who decides the fate of the race(us), or the dude with lv(us/Noelle)
With how some of Noelle's lines sounded after Chapter 2, I'm wondering if Noelle will eventually open a dark world in the hospital to try and cast healing spells on her father. And if the party is closing her dark world, maybe banishing the Angel's Heaven is about closing her dark world for whatever reason- maybe it's even related to Dess possibly being the Knight or being trapped in a dark world, if closing the fountain would separate them again.
Clearly it's just the player then. The Angel's Heaven and one of its members (probably Gaster, another player-like entity) has Spamton on strings in the same way that the player has Kris, Frisk, and in Snowgrave, Noelle, on strings.
In Undertale, the "Angel" was Asriel. He had seen the surface, died, and returned. He was also simultaneously an Angel that freed the monsters by breaking the barrier, and an Angel of Death as he had to kill nearly every monster in order to achieve that form. The name "Asriel" comes from "Azrael" the name of the Angel of Death in Islam. His design in the final phase is also literally the Delta Rune. The player is NOT the angel in Undertale. In genocide, you neither learn about nor fulfill the prophecy. Gerson doesn't tell you about the angel in genocide. There are also still monsters with Alphys hidden in Hotland up until the end of the run, and then you destroy the entire world, both underground and surface. There is no longer an underground to be empty. The prophecy is ONLY fulfilled in the pacifist ending.
I dunno how to put this, but I feel like it's too obvious thinking of Noelle as the angel, there's like TOO MANY evidence pointing at Noelle being the angel. I think there will be some sort of plot-twist involving the identity of the angel, but I might be overthinking it. (Sorry for the bad English)
at this point im hopin kris is the knight sans becomes a mayor character and noelle is the angel just because everyone's like "It would bee 2 obvious!!!!!" no hate tho
I really hope she is a Christ type character so my Jesus Noelle fanart will make sense (holy fuck my drawings come up when u google Jesus noelle I'm a god)
I would like to point out two things 1: at some point in chapter 1 Susie says: "Everyone bleeds right" 2: Queen is a computer and last time I checked computers don't bleed
Sans teleports by pausing time, moving, then playing time. This is heavily implied by the nature of his teleportation, and he even paused time with you, and played time after talking about flowey. With the power of the 6 human souls, flowey showed that he could also do the same thing, meaning it has something to do with the soul traits, just like the Reset/Determination thing.
I dont really think it'd be pausing time. I think pausing time is a separate ability for sans. mostly because the transitions that do involve sans having us follow him. we clearly go to a path that isn't the right way with no kind of single of a turn around. we've already seen from Papyrus showing us where his house is that the game is willing to let you follow someone's actual path regardless of it it loops back on itself. I just feel like we'd have some sort of signal that pausing time is how these shortcuts work.
@@ZyphLegend Actually, we do. When he uses a shortcut, it fades to black for longer than usual, and we know that would be an easy way to hide the fact that he is pausing time because doing so makes everything go black. Plus, I find it unlikely that Toby fox would give him a bunch of useless powers when pausing time and using telekinesis could easily explain all of it. There is not a single moment when he shows signs of having any other powers, and since he abuses both of those powers during his fight, it is unlikely he has any other special powers.
@@sayyidassons9332 I dont get what you mean by "a bunch of different useless powers" depending on whether this is true or not, he only has 1 or 2 powers. certainly not many, and neither stopping time nor teleporting are what I'd call "useless". also, a longer load time isnt really strong evidence imo when you consider the fact that both times we follow sans through this moment, we go into a cutscene in a map not directly connected to the one we're on. plus, it doesnt explain the other instances of sans teleporting, such as in the room with gyftrot, where he teleports across the room while we are in it, and there isnt a fade transition. Lastly, if sans is stopping time for these shortcuts, how come we don't experience it? afterall, when we see him seemingly stopping time in Grillby's, we have no issue witnessing the stopped time, yet we can follow him without also witnessing time stopping?
@@sayyidassons9332 I do admit it's a really compelling theory. lots of great points and observations, however I don't feel all of the arguments in favor of it are particularly strong.
The colors of the triangles are the same color as the corresponding character’s battle portrait and damage numbers. If the angel in the carpet represents Noelle, it would probably be yellow. Gerson doesn’t say anything at all about the three heroes and the angel’s heaven. He says that the symbol represents an angel from the surface freeing the underground
Pero gerson también dice que la leyenda original se perdió tiempo atrás y los monstruos le dieron otro significado. Por lo que fiarse de undertale de la leyenda que esta perdida es una pérdida de tiempo.
Lancer's "teleportation" could very easily be a gag as how deltarune is such lacking of seriousness. Compared to how Sans's is shown to be notable, used in seriousness, and unique in undertale.
I personally believe that Sans IS from the Deltarune universe, but still a monster, not a darkner, and the bleeding is one of the main reasons. We've seen changes occur between the worlds, magic not being a common thing for monsters being one that comes to mind. And nothing has re-established that monsters don't bleed, but we have evidence of the contrary. Specifically, an unused set of sprites for when Susie falls in the trash zone, showing her bleeding, just like Sans did in Undertale. This would also explain all his dialog about trying to go back to somewhere that wasn't the surface, he's trying to go back to the deltarune universe. This is of course a theory, but I feel it'd make more Sans than him being a darkner ON the light world, it still feels too far fetched (though possible).
we actually do! when you knock on the door a monster says "does it hurt to be made of blood" hinting that monsters in deltarune don't have blood either
@@dragonispurple6075 I still feel like it's more plausible that monsters bleed, I've been convinced about it ever since I saw those sprites of Susie, quite literally, bleeding. Plus her also using the phrase "everyone bleeds, right?". Think it's hinting at the very least to the possibility.
@@Klui_ I think she says “everyone bleeds” to not let down lancer, that at the moment was really excited about being able to “be scary” like Susie taught him Susie isn’t Lancer’s friend yet, but is already a little attached I believe,
Ok I have a few things to say about this. First, something that you didn't mention that could go with your theory, is that Sans's door in undertale has the same little flames on the bottom as the ones in Deltarune that are on the teleporting doors in the dark world. (Also Papyrus sais that Sans's room is like "another world", and also if you call him in a room full of trash in waterfall he mentions Trashy.) However, why would a darkner who has the ability to teleport use a door made to teleport ?? That means that his teleportation ability must be limited. Secondly Susie says to Lancer somewhere in the end of chapter 1 talking about Lancer's dad that "everyone bleeds", so maybe monsters bleed too, idk^^. And lastly if Sans is a darkner, then why does he have a store in the light world ? He should be just an inanimate object. Therefore, maybe Sans is a darkner in Undertale, but not in Deltarune probably.
If you use Snowgrave on regular Darkners, you can see that they actually DO turn to dust. Not just that, but their sprite gets tinted red! So...I guess they bleed AND turn to dust-?
Yeah - in this debate whether monsters bleed or turn to dust - why is it not possible that monsters have blood? If they bleed out enough - then they turn to dust.
@@sea_kat I'm talking about Darkners here though. I mean, the only monster that we _have_ seen die in DELTARUNE so far got completely encased in ice, so- We can't really tell if he bleeds or just turns to dust like he would in UNDERTALE lol
@@sayyidassons9332 The Knight is referred to by gender neutral pronouns, possibly implying they're a human character, as there has never been a human whose gender has been specified.
there's just one BIG problem with your theory: Darkners are based on objects while Lightners aren't based on anything. Sans can't be a Darkner because Darkners can't leave the Dark World and go into the Light World, because if they did so they'd instantly turn into the Item they are. so, how can Sans NOT turn into an Item when going into the Light World and how does he appear in UNDERTALE? in all instances of Sans being on-screen, he is not in a Dark World on both games. that much is explicit. the MOST you can do with this theory is theorize that Sans could've probably killed a Human while he was a Darkner and absorbed their Soul and then came to the Light World like what Spamton was trying to do in Chapter 2. but even *that* is a stretch in itself...
Maybe the object sans is just happens to also be skeleton. Skeletons are just animated inanimate objects. Idk if I totally believe in the theory, but I think that there’s a lot to look at before completely ignoring it. Besides, we don’t know where sans and papyrus came from. They just “show up one day and assert themselves” in both undertale and deltarune
So uh I'm a month late but what about the shadow crystals that you obtain from the secret boses? They have the mysterious ability to see through the darkness of the dark world into the light world or give visions into the Light through the darkness or something like that and Seam did say that he could combine the Shadow Crystals into "something" I don't remember what he said it but it seems that gathering them will be very important for the later chapters of the game.
What if the reason sans has only 1 hp is because he’s a darkener in the light world. When Kris enters the light world their hp increases from 20 to 90. So what if sans is a darkner that found his way into the light world and a side effect from doing that is his health decreasing all the way down to one
I really dont think Sans is a darkener, but Noelle being the angel is something that ive thought about for a while. On top of the angel doll she made and her mentioning angel wings, she is also sometimes referred to as angel by some characters. And when she is pinned to the giant hand right before the giga queen fight, her sleeves droop down in a way that closely resembles angel wings.
6:46 if you use snowgrave on an enemy they turn to dust with a red tinted shader so im guessing darkners bleed till theyre dead and then they, and their blood, turn to dust
2:10 Actually, Sans doesn't seem to be the only character who can dodge attacks. When Undyne is talking about training with Asgore she says "I was never able to land a hit on him!"
1. Sans is an inhabitant of the Light World in Deltarune, which would be impossible if he were a darkner (Lancer turns into an ace of spades in the Light World, Rouxls turns into the rules card etc). So perhaps he has found a way to maintain his form in the LW? Also probably that's the reason we can't see Papyrus in Deltarune, Sans might not be able to help him to maintain his form as well just yet 2. Addition to the angel's heavens thing: Addisons and Spamton call Noelle an angel. Also, Spamton is obsessed with [[HEAVEN]] whatever it is.
I'd presume "Heaven" is referring to the light world, but Spamton mentions that he wants to go there to become God, which implies that he's talking about literal heaven.
this is all well and good, but no one seems to be addressing the very significant point that if sans were a darkner, then we shouldn't be able to see him in the light world at all. It was established that every darkner has a light world counterpart (queen is a laptop, lancer and rouxls are cards, seam is a plush, etc) and reverts to this when outside of a dark world. not to discredit the rest of your theory, as I even believe it myself, but it's something to consider.
The color red of Sans's Blood has the same color code as the ketchup bottle. This doesn't seem very important, but it's a different red than the red soul or the red text. The color code in Undertale it's important, it's the same if the things are connected. The yellow of the save point it's the same as the yellow of Flowey, different from the yellow soul, the determination text, the Undyne eye, Sans eye, etc.
The thing about Susie not being made out of blood is that she says that everyone bleeds,why would Susie say that if monters don't bleed? And you might think "That just says Susie isn't a monster?",if that's the case then one how do you explain the prophecy and two what is she then? Susie can’t be a darker because she found out about the dark world with Kris.
There's nothing on Deltarune that really says that Monsters in that world don't have blood or they turn to dust. The monster on that one apartment doesn't really count, they sounds like they are too young to understand how humans and monsters work, we shouldn't really take their words like they were a fact. Think it for a moment, if we battle Susie and attack her enough, wouldn't that killed her if that was the case? Heck, even when she in the party and gets attack by the enemy she just kneels down in a defeated pose. Also remember that Deltarune is different to Undertale, their rules aren't the same.
Somewhat related to Sans bleeding: notice how in Chapter1 the easter egg room the figure who gives Kris the egg-and we all know it's extremely obvious who it is "mystery man" royal scientist-it is referred to as a man, not a creature/monster/being/etc. What if the famous trio weren't monsters at first? Science is weird, eh.🤔
@@cameraman1862 Yeah but sans isn't really a monster .. It's really hard to explain you would have to watch more of these to get what I mean. When you kill sans in Undertale, he goes off screen while bleeding (last time I checked skeletons don't bleed lmao). When he is off the screen it makes the sound of sparing, and we don't even know if he turns to dust either, because he is off the screen. Although you supposedly killed him, the kill counter never went up. This could just be a mistake but I highly doubt it.
Sans does not bleed in the genocide run. It is ketchup. Edit, I am aware if the possibility that it's determination, but it doesn't seem plausible because he does not remember the resets at all.
Idk but i could really imagine am Undertale update when Deltarune ends, with sans telling us his story or something like that, giving an end to this Toby Fox multiverse
If we look closely there are also two different type of Deltarune symbol the one that looks like Asriel final form, and one that instead hint to be something with horns rather than wings (Noelle)
1) Teleporting in both games could just be something comedic. A reference to characters being off screen and next time you see em, theyre some place else. The only significant thing I can come up with a counter argument to this is Sans' door. 2) Darkners do turn to dust, when you use Snowgrave. But they do turn red before they disappear.
this still doesnt explain why sans can exist in the light world. The menu in undertale and the overworld in deltarune are the same which probably means they are the same world..
I love how much these games and lore can be discussed and theorized, that extends the gaming experience even to the moments you're not playing anymore. This is top quality storytelling!!
Sure sans does bleed. But after his last line where he says he's going to grillby's you can CLEARLY hear him turning to dust! Like are we just gonna ignore that part? Like idk it just doesn't make sense to me
I'll just add a small correction: You mention in Darkners & Lightners that all Darkners can teleport because you encounter monsters you've met earlier, but didn't see them pass you on the way. This doesn't hold up, as we spend an undetermined amount of time in the prison dungeon right after arriving at the castle, giving them time to get there while the Lancer Fan Club performs their great escape.
Well the reason the darkner enemies dont turn to dust is because you dont actually kill them. They just run away. That is further proven by the fact that you dont gain any execution points from defeating them. And by the way, the reason the deltarune symbol is used as the symbol for the monster kingdom in undertale, is because they forgot what it originally meant and therefore just used it to represent their kingdom bc it looked cool or something idk. Gerson in waterfall says this.
Gerson also says that the symbol 'predates written history', which might be a joke about how the concept of Deltarune has existed for longer than Undertale's development (it's even mentioned on the Kickstarter page).
I'd like to mention that Sans' "blood" is exactly the same as the ketchup he chugs, and, just like you said, Toby takes colors seriously. I'm pretty sure he's implying it's ketchup. Also, as with many theories, what about Papyrus? Also I think it's kind of dumb to say "the angel's heaven" like it's a person It's just the angel
I also think its worth mentioning that Sans also runs away after losing in battle, which is another thing Darkeners also do. Nothing more to that, just another correlation I found.
This is an AMAZING theory, but... sadly... two things debunk it. 1. A Darkner cannot exist in the Light World, as they'll just become a regular object. (e.g. Lancer turns into a Jack of Spades card, Rouxls Kaard turns into the rules card) This debunks the Sans is a Darkner part, (as Sans would just be a regular object if it WAS true), even though I perfectly agree with the "black, white, and blue characters can teleport" part. 2. This one is a lot more obscure than the last one. If you hack the game so that Noelle can cast SnowGrave on a normal enemy, (or, in older versions of the game, abort the Weird Route during the Berdly fight and actually bring Noelle back to a normal enemy to cast SnowGrave on,) the enemy won't run away or become frozen. *It'll turn to dust.* Furthermore, even before Chapter 2 was released, there is unused data for *the same turning to dust death animation*. This means that Lancer, King, and Queen don't actually bleed. They'd turn to dust if we managed to kill them. If these two facts weren't true then I'd 100% agree with this theory, but sadly, no.
Theory: Sans is a human AND a monster. Here is why I believe this: Sans still turns to dust after dying in genocide, but, he bleeds, like other monsters cannot do. My theory is that sans was the second human with the cyan soul that fell into the underground. After he was killed by Asgore, his body was placed in one of asgore's coffins. Maybe through the determination and PATIENCE to continue living, his skeletal body was resurrected after death. Maybe through the magic blows of Asgore, sans was able to absorb magic, and continue to live after death, after his skin rotted away from his skeleton. This is why he still bleeds when brought to death in genocide. He possesses human qualities, like blood, and the knowledge of the abilities to save and load. He also possesses magic, like a monster. There was a whole comic dub created around a theory like this, called "Undertale green," where something similar happens to the green soul of Undertale. The green soul was able to keep her memories after death, so this means, the fact that sans is half human, is what he is hiding from the player. Sans probably found papyrus in the middle of nowhere, and decided to keep him safe as his "brother." I believe that papyrus is a full monster. Sans was probably taken up as an apprentice by gaster, the previous royal scientist, as they both have knowledge of saving and loading. Maybe the bunker in deltarune is Gaster's secret lab, where he tested an experiment on sans to get him how he is in Undertale. Maybe there will be a dark fountain in there in the future that the lighteners have to seal? Anyway, that is my crazy theory.
There's just no way Sans is a Darkner, for once darkners can't even exist in the light world, they're objects given life inside of the dark worlds, in the light world they turn back into their objects, is Sans made out of an object then? There's no evidence that he's not real. We don't know if monsters actually have blood or not I think, Toby did make spites of Susie bleeding and she said "everybody bleeds" once, there's a chance some monsters do have blood but the little monster thought humans are made of it, Sans has an equal chance of being a mutated human that looks like a skeleton who doesn't have enough determination to notice the time loops without some sort of device. Lancer acts nothing like Sans, his "teleportation" is used for comedic effect and his blood joke is just a joke. Also, Asgore can dodge attacks, Undyne said it in her hangout, monsters can dodge attacks but they're just too weak (side characters) or don't want to (most bosses). Darkners need a heads up to know to dodge, and I'm pretty sure you only damage enemies when you miss attacks if their defense is low so that's just a game mechanic. tldr: "oh Sans has blood so he can't be a monster, and he can't be a human because that's weird, so he must be the only other species we've ever seen in the games even though undertale is separate from deltarune and it's a dumb plot twist!"
In Deltarune, there’s a lack of a presence of magic amongst monsters in the Light World. So monsters could potentially have different biology in Deltarune comparing to Undertale? Another thing, I noticed someone else pointed out that Susie has a quote among the lines of “Everyone bleeds, right?” Which further suggests to Deltarune monsters having different biology to Undertale monsters. If there’s a lack of magic in the Light World, then that could mean monsters aren’t held together by magic as well.
4:10 I think people treat Lancer's teleporting it as normal silly Toby Fox humour bcs Deltarune is the second game/Lancer is the second character to teleport, we've already seen and been shocked by Sans doing it (6 years ago, by the way) so when Lancer does it it's no longer surprising
Monster turn to dust that's because Monster in Undertale are Made out of Magic, But in Deltarune the Monster seems cannot use any Magic. So in Deltarune, monster (maybe) can bleed. Sans came from Deltarune? But sans can't use any Magic. So here is a another Theory, All of the Sansess in different World are all the Same.
Theory: sans from Undertale is the same sans from deltarune, just that it's a different time and a different timeline, deltarune is the prequel of undertale, that would explain the strange machine, and sans bleeds because monsters could possibly bleed in deltarune as said by Susie "everyone bleeds" how could she know this with a lack of humans in their world
For the last time, sans doesn't bleed, because it wouldn't be colored in the combat menu, it's determination, but people still think blood can have a color
Sans is a monster but this Blood is a rest of his Powers hi not die that fast becuse that he was determined too i know that dont seams legit but read this the asriel have colors in fight same as Omega flovey it becouse of their magic sans use rest of his magic to get us guilty that we killed everyone
Headcanon: I actually don't think sans die at the end of the genocide. I don't think he bleeds either. I have to make a lot of assumptions, but i think that he fooled us with ketchup (that he loves) and fled. It's the only monster we don't see vanish after the defeat and from whom we don't gain any LOVE or gold. Heck, of all the monsters, why should *a skelton* bleed Edit: if this Is true, It means that he can flee like darkners.
I'll just educate you on how Monster Food works on UNDERTALE: monster food and human food are different in every way possible: when a monster eats monster food that food immediately turns into energy and does not take up space or do things like "spoil" when you eat food in UNDERTALE, you're eating monster food that immediately heals you. what sans is drinking is a monster ketchup, that is also, like all other food items in UNDERTALE - monster food so even if sans for some reason decided to drink before the fight or had drunk the ketchup way before: it wouldn't make a difference. it is still blood, CASE CLOSED!!!
@@uraynuke But what if he doesn't swallow? What if he's not properly "drinking It"? Anyways, we don't even know if that's monster food, we never actually buy or consume plain ketchup
@@uraynuke I mean, i made assumptions, but i recognized and admitted It. You made quite a few assumptions (sans had to properly drink It, that's monster food even tho we never had the ability to test if It is, monster food works the same way for the player and for NPCs) and treat them as facts
@@uraynuke isn't It pretty odd that Toby made the only ketchup lover Monster also the only one that bleeds? Also, that's a f*cking skeleton! It looks like Toby did everything he could to make his death look odd
So are you suggesting that every enemy is sans. Cause you can warn any enemy in that portion of the story to dodge Susie's attacks. Also, Lancer cant dodge attacks in the Susie and Lancer vs Kris and ralsei fight, you just missed the hit
I've been thinking about a theory revolving around the possible fact that Deltarune may be an alternate timeline of the Undertale History. When in the intro of Undertale they talk about how the 7 human mages sealed the underground It is implied that humans could use magic at some point. But at the time of Undertale it isn't implied that humans still use magic or remember it. So, pretending that actually Deltarune IS an alternate timeline, the same rules may be applied for the monsters, 'cus Noelles wishes healing Rudy while visiting him and also at the Darkworld un the end of GigaQueen's Fight, implying that Monsters are incapable of using spells. There's some dialogue about the stoves of Toriel's kitchen beign used making It more clear that she IS incapable of fire magic... Maybe the time Deltarune IS being placed is the exact one of Undertale or similar, where monsters as well as humans are incapable of the usage of magic. ... And that's it. Thanks for listening my TEDDY BEAR Talk. See ya~~💺
I got plenty of reasons to list why Lancer isn't really Sans. 1. He doesn't have 1 HP (remember the Card Prison fight or the first encounter? One hit he would be DEAD in an instant and instead he was still alive and got hit multiple times) 2. He doesn't walk. As far as I can tell, Sans can walk while Lancer actually can't. He just slides. 3. He freezes in other Dark Worlds. Cause u see Sans would be a lightner, so if he were Lancer, Lancer wouldn't freeze. So yeah those are my reasons. Idc if it is irrelevant. But bro u don't need to reply saying why Lancer IS Sans. I don't need to know it. I mean he COULD be Sans if this actually IS a different Sans in Deltarune and that this Sans has more HP. But this Sans would be a lightner in Deltarune remember. Also about Lancer teleporting (this is a joke lads) maybe he dug holes.
I love watching people come up with the same ideas that I had all on my own. I'm not a video content guy, I just have a lot of my own notes and the community is coming up with a lot of cohesive content, I love it.
I feel like alot of people take things that are just cartoon logic (sans 'teleporting') or are there for dramatic effect (sans bleeding) and try to make an entire theory about it. Not everything is that deep. toby fox isn't a god. Also, as far as lancer having a bucket for your blood, DELTARUNE IS A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE ENTIRELY! It's like veggietales or Loony Tunes where the same characters are used in different stories with similar archetypes attached. The rules between these two games could be, and probably are, completely different and you can't just assume that "sans did this in undertale" means ANYTHING for deltarune at all! There actually IS evidence in deltarune that monsters aren't made of blood (a monster asking if it hurts to be made of blood) but you didn't bother to brining that up at all. Stop assuming shit is true about this game because of a completely different game! The only thing of any real note you added here was at the very end about noel, and then you didn't elaborate. I'm tired of people acting like sans is more important than he is.
It's really interesting to hear other people's theories and opinions However I personally disagree with this theory because : - Lancer and king's designs were made by someone else wayyyy before deltarune was released or made - I think it would be a huge stretch to imagine that toby made sans' design reminiscent of these 2 while deltarune didn't even exist yet (sorry if that isn't clear) - i think the reason why sans is the only character to keep his Undertale clothes in deltarune is because he's the only Undertale character to wear "normal" clothes, like clothes you'd see in everyday life - for the enemies running away thing, I'm pretty sure everybody knows this at this point but at the release of chapter 2 you could actually kill enemies with Noelle, and they would actually turn into dust (this got patched anyway but there's no way that's not significant). I personally think the reason why the enemies run away is so it would affect the ending too much, to stay coherent with this whole "1 ending" thing - everyone's gonna insult me for this but I'm convinced the blood bucket and sans bleeding things are just huge oversights - I'm personally think that pretty much all of the sans/lancer or whatever teleporting sequences are just meant to be gags and not taken seriously Yes, i know not everyone is gonna agree with this, but I just wanted to share my opinions in a less... agressive way than what other people do 😂 Feel free to tell me your opinions on all of this but PLEASE, don't do it like "uuuuh, what you said is completely stupid because ...". I'll gladly hear everyone's opinions, as long as it stays respectful and doesn't make me sound like a retarded moron or something
What if the Angel’s Heaven is a metaphor for Asriel’s college? He was an Angel in Undertale and the computer in Kris’s room shows that he looked up when summer break is. Also, Queen is a representation of every characters mom depending on who she interacts with. We barely see her interact with Ralsei. Toriel brings up Asriel, but obviously he’s not there so we don’t see them together. While that could just be coincidence, consider the Delta Rune symbol. It’s on Asriel’s clothes when he becomes an angel.
I think Sans pretended to bleed by using magic, because he wants to make player sorry and regrets doing genocide and reset game to complete it in pacifist way. Especially since he know we have ability to reset and colour sprite in undertale means useing a lot of power like used during Omega Flowey and Asriel battle. I'm not the autor of that teory above. I think I saw it once on channel called Underlab and I think even thou it's simple it appeals to me more. However rest of your theory is pretty good and interesting.
I'm confused when you imply that the enemies in chapter 1 teleport to card castle. this dark world seems much bigger than just what we see. So they likely could have passed us without us seeing it. Great theory otherwise, tho.
Slight correction at 5:25 Lancer can only dodge when you miss an attack, Susie does not.
Lancer is not teleporting anywhere. Toby was just lazy and didn't give him walking animation.
He sais so in his playground of Chapter 1.
All enemy's in Deltarune can douge ONLY if you warn them. This isn't exclusive to Lancer.
6:40
You CAN kill enemy's in DR if you use SnowGrave in aborted ,, SnowGrave" runs(god that's confusing) if you use Noellle to attack normal enemys whit that specific attack. They do - in fact - turn to dust.
People REAAAAALY latch on to that ,,Sans bleeds" point.
I see 2 explanations
- Its ketchup and Toby made it as a joke
-Toby taught it would be more dramatic that way
Yea , i think it's almost but confirmed Noelle is the Angel.
darkners turn into objects when entering the light world, sans is not an object
@@tedtolliver572 It could just be used as a figure of speech
It's not blood it's ketchup dripping. Right?
EDIT: I COULD BE WRONG
@@wisieroy4144 i personally think that sans was like... a monster that died next to a human skeleton, and their essence got absorbed into the skeleton.. so sans is not a human or a monster... just a skeleton, and blood is made in the bones so thats why he bleeds
Headcannon: Lancer doesn't have a walk cycle because Rouxls taught him how to walk, and he doesn't have one either. With this, you could also think that Rouxls taught him to teleport, because you see him do it in game. There's precedent for this in Lancer's writing, which resembles calligraphy, something Rouxls enjoys.
perhaps
Lancer is not teleporting anywhere. Toby was just lazy and didn't give him walking animation.
He sais so in his playground of Chapter 1.
If Lancer could teleport then the dialogue with him in his room after you check him in your key items would be strange… it’s implied that he pretty much sprinted from within the player’s pocket to his location
This is good,I believe in it though can you call it walking when it's not?
Okay throwing one more comment in here as I just finished two left thumbs’s video on Sans being a darkner. He draws a connection between Lancer and Sans both “dodging” attacks, Sans being the only character capable of this prior to Deltarune, of course. In the Lancer battle with Susie, when you warn Lancer of Susie’s attacks, he also is capable of dodging. Maybe your teleportation argument is strengthened by it, but I have yet to have been personally convinced that Lancer has the ability to teleport, and I’ll give my reasoning.
Lancer, more or less, shows all of his cards. He isn’t a character that knows more than they are letting on, if you catch my drift. In the story, he converses with you in such a way that it would feel very odd if he “hid” something as useful as teleportation. When he DOES feel the need to hide stuff, like about his dad, he gets very upset. Just for an example, I would understand if Ralsei secretly could teleport. Ralsei tends to only bring things up when it is absolutely necessary or is required of him, and this has been shown multiple times. Same could be said about Sans in a way, while he is blatant about his teleportation use (snow on the hot dog stand, him acting tongue and cheek about his shortcuts), he never speaks of it in a direct matter. Also, my memory is a bit foggy of the Rouxl’s scenes, but I do recall that whenever Rouxl’s teleports there is a bit of spectacle to the act.
I wrote all of this, forgetting that I’m literally trying to poke holes in HEADCANNON xD… I love this stuff too much and just can’t stop myself from talking whenever I see the opportunity, but I hope you don’t mind because I’d like Cibles to see what I have to say as well.
The only problem I have with the part about Susie being able to teleport because she's with Lancer in the maze is the fact that she goes down a different path from Lancer, yet still manages to go ahead.
Personally, considering how her character is, I imagine her just going through the dead end and just brute forcing her way through to get to the next area
i think it still works either way
@@SuperSeasonChannel2003 maybe, but there's also the fact that Susie is looking for Lancer, so they arent exactly together either
I actually like the idea that the darkners all can teleport. I don't fully believe it but it makes Ralsei showing up in the cyber world more natural.
yea!
Lancer is not teleporting anywhere. Toby was just lazy and didn't give him walking animation.
He sais so in his playground of Chapter 1.
@@zeo4481 he didn’t say anything about his walk animation, I highly doubt he thinks sliding is teleporting; he’s talking about things like, moving off-screen to the right yet coming in from the left, and such
This actually brings up a significant point that seems to be widely overlooked; Ralsei can appear anywhere because he doesn't exist in the light world, and nor is there any object that represents him. This is because he comes from the 'pure' fountain of castle town directly, where any darkner can exist in their usual state. As a result, he doesn't have to follow the same laws of reality as the lightners do, and as the two know of Ralsei, it could follow that he can appear as long as there are people there who have seen him before.
@@zeo4481 Toby is never lazy, and be careful when you say stuff like that because Undertale and deltarune fans will report people for saying that.
Actually, the triangles in the carpet don’t match with their characters’ color scheme, but with their battle icons (and their silhouette while doing the December spelling puzzle with Noelle), so if Noelle were to be represented, her color would be yellow, not white.
I think this is just a red herring.
considering Asriel's final form directly resembles the Delta Rune but with hearts instead of triangles, I believe the triangles from the Delta Rune are supposed to represent human SOULs (the upright heart) and monster SOULs (the upside-down hearts), and so the blue triangle from the carpet might not actually be Kris, but perhaps the green triangle is
that same final form also has an upright heart within the circle, so maybe the angel's heaven contains a human SOUL too? the SOUL we control might then not even be the bottom triangle, but the one contained by the circle
@@kaasiand So... Then if that theory is true...
The Heros are supposed to banish us?
@@birdthatdontlie7441 Well we supposedly banish angels heaven at the end of the game, and at the end of the game we stop playing therefore kris isn’t being controlled by us anymore so that means they’re banishing us from their world.
We also so have the weird remarks from Spamton in Snowgrave Route calling Noelle an angel, and if we consider the fact that Noelle has been the most effected from hearing us (refer to Snowgrave Route) and Noelle knowing Kris the most in the main group due to being childhood friends with them and therefore knowing Kris isn’t acting like themself we can deduce she is important in someway past chapter 2.
@@birdthatdontlie7441 E
YES this would be so toby
This. This could be the player.
Consider it
This theory seems sound until you realize that if Sans is a Darkner he cannot exist outside of a Dark World but shows up in the Light World every time we see him.
Yea, I watched two left thumbs vid on the sans is a darkner theory, this fact that darkners cannot be in the light world does compleatly debunk this theory.
Oh, god. I thought i was the only one who realized it XD.
explanation: gaster magic /s
This literaly will be a twist in the story let toby fox play out his cards
Literaly everyone wants darkers to exist in the lightner world and it was forshadowed so much
And so many people predict it as well
@@spidineer6920 ua but what if he Absorbed a lightner's soul? Spamton implies this would allow a darkner to exist in the light world
Despite Sans beeing a darkner sounding fucking ridiculous there's even more evidence for it than you mentioned. First of all Sans gets tired during the battle just like darkners do(and we never see any other character in UNDERTALE getting tired during battle). Secondly when Sans gets hit his health bar doesn't appear above his head even tho in UNDERTALE it appears above everyone else's head when they do get hit (aside from Flowey howether he's a plant not a monster so diffrent rules might apply to him) meanwhile in deltarune we never see the health bar appear above any darkner's head when we hit them. And thirdly after Sans gets hit in UNDERTALE he leaves our screen just like darkners do when they get defeated.
the evidence!
Something that disproves it is Sans doesn't turn into an inanimate object in the light world, which Darkeners do if they enter into the light world (Lancer to a Jack of Spades card and Rouxls Kaard to a Rules Card), by this logic Sans cannot be a darkener, Also your ending claim. . . Sans dusts after that so he still does dust
@@TheEmeraldCreeper This is very true but the 'Sans comes from Deltarune' theory still holds some value until we see the full picture of Deltarune, for example we still don't know who Sans is referring to as 'his brother' in Deltarune and he's probably only going to get involved with the plot and interact with the dark world in the later half of Deltarune.
@@SeaHorseOfRUclips I was countering the Sans is a darkener theory.
Off the top of my head, I know that Knight Knight, a monster from Undertale, does get tired and fall asleep during battle, so your claim isn’t entirely right.
2 left thumbs actually made a theory just like this stating that sans is a darkner. i suggest looking at it in your spare time if you haven't already.
Thas a good video
Yeah
@Nobody Wait how was it disproven?
@@carlosrabock it was not, but there is some new contradicting information
I’ve watched all of his undertale & deltarune videos
Darkners refer to Noelle in weird route as “angel”
Also in undertale monsters refer to player as “angel”
So either an angel - the guy who decides the fate of the race(us), or the dude with lv(us/Noelle)
I believe the angel is the one who has the most LV, since the one with the most LV can decide the everyone's fate: Either be killed or not be killed.
With how some of Noelle's lines sounded after Chapter 2, I'm wondering if Noelle will eventually open a dark world in the hospital to try and cast healing spells on her father. And if the party is closing her dark world, maybe banishing the Angel's Heaven is about closing her dark world for whatever reason- maybe it's even related to Dess possibly being the Knight or being trapped in a dark world, if closing the fountain would separate them again.
Chapter 6 Angel's Heaven,Chapter 7 vs Kris
Clearly it's just the player then. The Angel's Heaven and one of its members (probably Gaster, another player-like entity) has Spamton on strings in the same way that the player has Kris, Frisk, and in Snowgrave, Noelle, on strings.
In Undertale, the "Angel" was Asriel. He had seen the surface, died, and returned. He was also simultaneously an Angel that freed the monsters by breaking the barrier, and an Angel of Death as he had to kill nearly every monster in order to achieve that form. The name "Asriel" comes from "Azrael" the name of the Angel of Death in Islam. His design in the final phase is also literally the Delta Rune.
The player is NOT the angel in Undertale. In genocide, you neither learn about nor fulfill the prophecy. Gerson doesn't tell you about the angel in genocide. There are also still monsters with Alphys hidden in Hotland up until the end of the run, and then you destroy the entire world, both underground and surface. There is no longer an underground to be empty. The prophecy is ONLY fulfilled in the pacifist ending.
I dunno how to put this, but I feel like it's too obvious thinking of Noelle as the angel, there's like TOO MANY evidence pointing at Noelle being the angel.
I think there will be some sort of plot-twist involving the identity of the angel, but I might be overthinking it.
(Sorry for the bad English)
at this point im hopin kris is the knight sans becomes a mayor character and noelle is the angel just because everyone's like "It would bee 2 obvious!!!!!" no hate tho
Yes like the character with wings found on asriels computer in deltarune which could be the asriel with wings from undertale
I really hope she is a Christ type character so my Jesus Noelle fanart will make sense (holy fuck my drawings come up when u google Jesus noelle I'm a god)
I can definitely see this.
@@society1876 We know kris is not the knight.
I would like to point out two things
1: at some point in chapter 1 Susie says: "Everyone bleeds right"
2: Queen is a computer and last time I checked computers don't bleed
One of the towns people ask if it hurts to be made out of blood
2 the dark world can do weird things
Also skeletons don't sweat
Sans teleports by pausing time, moving, then playing time. This is heavily implied by the nature of his teleportation, and he even paused time with you, and played time after talking about flowey. With the power of the 6 human souls, flowey showed that he could also do the same thing, meaning it has something to do with the soul traits, just like the Reset/Determination thing.
I dont really think it'd be pausing time. I think pausing time is a separate ability for sans. mostly because the transitions that do involve sans having us follow him. we clearly go to a path that isn't the right way with no kind of single of a turn around. we've already seen from Papyrus showing us where his house is that the game is willing to let you follow someone's actual path regardless of it it loops back on itself. I just feel like we'd have some sort of signal that pausing time is how these shortcuts work.
@@ZyphLegend Actually, we do. When he uses a shortcut, it fades to black for longer than usual, and we know that would be an easy way to hide the fact that he is pausing time because doing so makes everything go black. Plus, I find it unlikely that Toby fox would give him a bunch of useless powers when pausing time and using telekinesis could easily explain all of it. There is not a single moment when he shows signs of having any other powers, and since he abuses both of those powers during his fight, it is unlikely he has any other special powers.
@@sayyidassons9332 I dont get what you mean by "a bunch of different useless powers" depending on whether this is true or not, he only has 1 or 2 powers. certainly not many, and neither stopping time nor teleporting are what I'd call "useless". also, a longer load time isnt really strong evidence imo when you consider the fact that both times we follow sans through this moment, we go into a cutscene in a map not directly connected to the one we're on. plus, it doesnt explain the other instances of sans teleporting, such as in the room with gyftrot, where he teleports across the room while we are in it, and there isnt a fade transition. Lastly, if sans is stopping time for these shortcuts, how come we don't experience it? afterall, when we see him seemingly stopping time in Grillby's, we have no issue witnessing the stopped time, yet we can follow him without also witnessing time stopping?
@@sayyidassons9332 I do admit it's a really compelling theory. lots of great points and observations, however I don't feel all of the arguments in favor of it are particularly strong.
YES
Sans can't be a darkner because he is alive in the light world, and darkners turn into objects in the lightworld. Simple Deltarune logic.
The colors of the triangles are the same color as the corresponding character’s battle portrait and damage numbers. If the angel in the carpet represents Noelle, it would probably be yellow. Gerson doesn’t say anything at all about the three heroes and the angel’s heaven. He says that the symbol represents an angel from the surface freeing the underground
Pero gerson también dice que la leyenda original se perdió tiempo atrás y los monstruos le dieron otro significado. Por lo que fiarse de undertale de la leyenda que esta perdida es una pérdida de tiempo.
Sans is hacker, he is just a secret player who always plays and follows you around.
real
Lancer's "teleportation" could very easily be a gag as how deltarune is such lacking of seriousness. Compared to how Sans's is shown to be notable, used in seriousness, and unique in undertale.
I personally believe that Sans IS from the Deltarune universe, but still a monster, not a darkner, and the bleeding is one of the main reasons.
We've seen changes occur between the worlds, magic not being a common thing for monsters being one that comes to mind. And nothing has re-established that monsters don't bleed, but we have evidence of the contrary. Specifically, an unused set of sprites for when Susie falls in the trash zone, showing her bleeding, just like Sans did in Undertale.
This would also explain all his dialog about trying to go back to somewhere that wasn't the surface, he's trying to go back to the deltarune universe.
This is of course a theory, but I feel it'd make more Sans than him being a darkner ON the light world, it still feels too far fetched (though possible).
we actually do! when you knock on the door a monster says "does it hurt to be made of blood" hinting that monsters in deltarune don't have blood either
@@dragonispurple6075 I still feel like it's more plausible that monsters bleed, I've been convinced about it ever since I saw those sprites of Susie, quite literally, bleeding. Plus her also using the phrase "everyone bleeds, right?". Think it's hinting at the very least to the possibility.
@@Klui_ I think she says “everyone bleeds” to not let down lancer, that at the moment was really excited about being able to “be scary” like Susie taught him
Susie isn’t Lancer’s friend yet, but is already a little attached I believe,
It is unused because it does not fit in with the rules of the universe.
@@Klui_ That does not change the fact that susie is the least educated student at their school and that the sprites were not made by toby.
Ok I have a few things to say about this. First, something that you didn't mention that could go with your theory, is that Sans's door in undertale has the same little flames on the bottom as the ones in Deltarune that are on the teleporting doors in the dark world. (Also Papyrus sais that Sans's room is like "another world", and also if you call him in a room full of trash in waterfall he mentions Trashy.) However, why would a darkner who has the ability to teleport use a door made to teleport ?? That means that his teleportation ability must be limited.
Secondly Susie says to Lancer somewhere in the end of chapter 1 talking about Lancer's dad that "everyone bleeds", so maybe monsters bleed too, idk^^.
And lastly if Sans is a darkner, then why does he have a store in the light world ? He should be just an inanimate object. Therefore, maybe Sans is a darkner in Undertale, but not in Deltarune probably.
Yep. The important thing to remember is that we have no solid reason to believe that Deltarune lightners work the same as Undertale monsters.
@@Axquirix yep
If you use Snowgrave on regular Darkners, you can see that they actually DO turn to dust. Not just that, but their sprite gets tinted red! So...I guess they bleed AND turn to dust-?
Yeah - in this debate whether monsters bleed or turn to dust - why is it not possible that monsters have blood? If they bleed out enough - then they turn to dust.
@@sea_kat I'm talking about Darkners here though. I mean, the only monster that we _have_ seen die in DELTARUNE so far got completely encased in ice, so- We can't really tell if he bleeds or just turns to dust like he would in UNDERTALE lol
That matches up with sans cuz he bleeds and turns to dust offscreen that’s interesting
@@Dalller_ Yeah. The more I think about it, the more I believe that there might be some merit to the "Sans is a Darknker" theory
@@hakboi2269 Pretty much?
i dont think noelle is the angel in the delta rune, even if it sorta makes sense
mostly because noelles color in the battle menu is yellow, not white
I think you are right, plus the "angel" or "Knight" has been implied to be a boy, as quoted by the cyber battle dancey guys.
@@sayyidassons9332 The Knight is referred to by gender neutral pronouns, possibly implying they're a human character, as there has never been a human whose gender has been specified.
@@maliziosoeperverso1697 The knight is referred to as an "IT"
@@maliziosoeperverso1697 It... it literally is though... it's... right there... in the game... at multiple points...
there's just one BIG problem with your theory: Darkners are based on objects while Lightners aren't based on anything.
Sans can't be a Darkner because Darkners can't leave the Dark World and go into the Light World, because if they did so they'd instantly turn into the Item they are. so, how can Sans NOT turn into an Item when going into the Light World and how does he appear in UNDERTALE?
in all instances of Sans being on-screen, he is not in a Dark World on both games. that much is explicit.
the MOST you can do with this theory is theorize that Sans could've probably killed a Human while he was a Darkner and absorbed their Soul and then came to the Light World like what Spamton was trying to do in Chapter 2. but even *that* is a stretch in itself...
Maybe the object sans is just happens to also be skeleton. Skeletons are just animated inanimate objects. Idk if I totally believe in the theory, but I think that there’s a lot to look at before completely ignoring it. Besides, we don’t know where sans and papyrus came from. They just “show up one day and assert themselves” in both undertale and deltarune
I wouldn't put toby past making sans's physical item being sans
So uh I'm a month late but what about the shadow crystals that you obtain from the secret boses? They have the mysterious ability to see through the darkness of the dark world into the light world or give visions into the Light through the darkness or something like that and Seam did say that he could combine the Shadow Crystals into "something" I don't remember what he said it but it seems that gathering them will be very important for the later chapters of the game.
@@johnmurphy5689 I think you replied to my comment instead of commenting on the video
What if the reason sans has only 1 hp is because he’s a darkener in the light world. When Kris enters the light world their hp increases from 20 to 90. So what if sans is a darkner that found his way into the light world and a side effect from doing that is his health decreasing all the way down to one
Do you think this relates to darkners turning into statues in other fountains in any way? This is interesting
I really dont think Sans is a darkener, but Noelle being the angel is something that ive thought about for a while. On top of the angel doll she made and her mentioning angel wings, she is also sometimes referred to as angel by some characters. And when she is pinned to the giant hand right before the giga queen fight, her sleeves droop down in a way that closely resembles angel wings.
Omg her sleeves and dress make her look like a snow angel toby fox is god of puns and we appreciate him endlessly for it
Your missing some key information.
Sans is ness.
This theory has been debunked
ah sorry that must have slipped my mind
6:46 if you use snowgrave on an enemy they turn to dust with a red tinted shader so im guessing darkners bleed till theyre dead and then they, and their blood, turn to dust
I don’t think sans is a darkner because he shows up in the light world and darkners don’t do that
2:10 Actually, Sans doesn't seem to be the only character who can dodge attacks.
When Undyne is talking about training with Asgore she says "I was never able to land a hit on him!"
1. Sans is an inhabitant of the Light World in Deltarune, which would be impossible if he were a darkner (Lancer turns into an ace of spades in the Light World, Rouxls turns into the rules card etc). So perhaps he has found a way to maintain his form in the LW? Also probably that's the reason we can't see Papyrus in Deltarune, Sans might not be able to help him to maintain his form as well just yet
2. Addition to the angel's heavens thing: Addisons and Spamton call Noelle an angel. Also, Spamton is obsessed with [[HEAVEN]] whatever it is.
I'd presume "Heaven" is referring to the light world, but Spamton mentions that he wants to go there to become God, which implies that he's talking about literal heaven.
this is all well and good, but no one seems to be addressing the very significant point that if sans were a darkner, then we shouldn't be able to see him in the light world at all. It was established that every darkner has a light world counterpart (queen is a laptop, lancer and rouxls are cards, seam is a plush, etc) and reverts to this when outside of a dark world. not to discredit the rest of your theory, as I even believe it myself, but it's something to consider.
Maybe the inanimate object he is happens to be a skeleton. Aren’t fantasy skeletons essentially animated inanimate objects?
The color red of Sans's Blood has the same color code as the ketchup bottle. This doesn't seem very important, but it's a different red than the red soul or the red text.
The color code in Undertale it's important, it's the same if the things are connected.
The yellow of the save point it's the same as the yellow of Flowey, different from the yellow soul, the determination text, the Undyne eye, Sans eye, etc.
6:34 but darkners in deltarune turn into dust. In snowgrave route you can kill mouse with snowgrave spell and it turns into dust. ( mouse maze )
Red dust. It's specifically red coloured dust, like there's blood in it...
@@padriazozzriaorizifian8672 do the conclusion is, darkners turn into dust and blood
The thing about Susie not being made out of blood is that she says that everyone bleeds,why would Susie say that if monters don't bleed? And you might think "That just says Susie isn't a monster?",if that's the case then one how do you explain the prophecy and two what is she then? Susie can’t be a darker because she found out about the dark world with Kris.
A monster in chapter one ask Kris if it hurt being made of blood.
And Gerson's grave has a hammer buried representing his existence. Why buried a hammer if you have his body?
There's nothing on Deltarune that really says that Monsters in that world don't have blood or they turn to dust.
The monster on that one apartment doesn't really count, they sounds like they are too young to understand how humans and monsters work, we shouldn't really take their words like they were a fact.
Think it for a moment, if we battle Susie and attack her enough, wouldn't that killed her if that was the case? Heck, even when she in the party and gets attack by the enemy she just kneels down in a defeated pose.
Also remember that Deltarune is different to Undertale, their rules aren't the same.
Sans' eye changes color, the only character in any Undertale fight to show color. So that actually makes a lot of sense.
Toriel also shows color since for some reason her eyes are brown in her battle sprite
@@mattwno8719 I believe that was unintentional and that Toby forgot to change it to black when moving her sprite from another sprite sheet.
@@EP1CxEMAN08 Yeah you're right, i just wanted to point it out since it's a slightly obscure fact
Asriel, Omega Flowey, and Asgore
2:09 But Asriel can also dodge if you attack him in true pacifist, can't he?
He doesn't take damage thus why it says he does but he's just not affected by it
no he has infinite defense so he don't take damage
Somewhat related to Sans bleeding: notice how in Chapter1 the easter egg room the figure who gives Kris the egg-and we all know it's extremely obvious who it is "mystery man" royal scientist-it is referred to as a man, not a creature/monster/being/etc. What if the famous trio weren't monsters at first? Science is weird, eh.🤔
Can't wait to see this! 20 seconds in and this sounds so interesting
thanksss
@@CiblesGD Also Sans can't be a darkner darkners can't "exist" in the light world.
@@cameraman1862 Yeah but sans isn't really a monster .. It's really hard to explain you would have to watch more of these to get what I mean. When you kill sans in Undertale, he goes off screen while bleeding (last time I checked skeletons don't bleed lmao). When he is off the screen it makes the sound of sparing, and we don't even know if he turns to dust either, because he is off the screen. Although you supposedly killed him, the kill counter never went up. This could just be a mistake but I highly doubt it.
Sans does not bleed in the genocide run. It is ketchup.
Edit, I am aware if the possibility that it's determination, but it doesn't seem plausible because he does not remember the resets at all.
Idk but i could really imagine am Undertale update when Deltarune ends, with sans telling us his story or something like that, giving an end to this Toby Fox multiverse
If we look closely there are also two different type of Deltarune symbol the one that looks like Asriel final form, and one that instead hint to be something with horns rather than wings (Noelle)
There's also the one on Toriel's house where the triangles are upside down.
1) Teleporting in both games could just be something comedic. A reference to characters being off screen and next time you see em, theyre some place else. The only significant thing I can come up with a counter argument to this is Sans' door.
2) Darkners do turn to dust, when you use Snowgrave. But they do turn red before they disappear.
The colors in deltarune are metaphorical like the colors on hit tv show breaking bad
this still doesnt explain why sans can exist in the light world. The menu in undertale and the overworld in deltarune are the same which probably means they are the same world..
They aren’t, it’s just that they’re parallels of each other
I love how much these games and lore can be discussed and theorized, that extends the gaming experience even to the moments you're not playing anymore. This is top quality storytelling!!
Sure sans does bleed.
But after his last line where he says he's going to grillby's you can CLEARLY hear him turning to dust! Like are we just gonna ignore that part?
Like idk it just doesn't make sense to me
Yeah ikr! It's strange that Papyrus doesn't bleed but Sand does though. :/
I'll just add a small correction:
You mention in Darkners & Lightners that all Darkners can teleport because you encounter monsters you've met earlier, but didn't see them pass you on the way. This doesn't hold up, as we spend an undetermined amount of time in the prison dungeon right after arriving at the castle, giving them time to get there while the Lancer Fan Club performs their great escape.
Plus Asriel final form isn't also the literally frigging Deltarune? When we check him isn't he classified also as " The Deltarune"?
The fact that Susie and Lancer, in the maze, don't go the same way and yet both teleport, makes me think that those are just gags
Wait but if Sans can bleed then how can't Papyrus bleed since he is sans' brother?
Well, could this sans is a dark ER not be objected by the fact that the way that sans dies (the sound) is the same as the monsters as they fade away
Well the reason the darkner enemies dont turn to dust is because you dont actually kill them. They just run away. That is further proven by the fact that you dont gain any execution points from defeating them.
And by the way, the reason the deltarune symbol is used as the symbol for the monster kingdom in undertale, is because they forgot what it originally meant and therefore just used it to represent their kingdom bc it looked cool or something idk. Gerson in waterfall says this.
Gerson also says that the symbol 'predates written history', which might be a joke about how the concept of Deltarune has existed for longer than Undertale's development (it's even mentioned on the Kickstarter page).
I'd like to mention that Sans' "blood" is exactly the same as the ketchup he chugs, and, just like you said, Toby takes colors seriously. I'm pretty sure he's implying it's ketchup.
Also, as with many theories, what about Papyrus?
Also I think it's kind of dumb to say "the angel's heaven" like it's a person
It's just the angel
Different world different laws
I also think its worth mentioning that Sans also runs away after losing in battle, which is another thing Darkeners also do. Nothing more to that, just another correlation I found.
Is Papyrus a darkener too though? He has similar abilities as sans, and came with him out of nowhere, but he turns to dust…
This is an AMAZING theory, but... sadly... two things debunk it.
1. A Darkner cannot exist in the Light World, as they'll just become a regular object. (e.g. Lancer turns into a Jack of Spades card, Rouxls Kaard turns into the rules card) This debunks the Sans is a Darkner part, (as Sans would just be a regular object if it WAS true), even though I perfectly agree with the "black, white, and blue characters can teleport" part.
2. This one is a lot more obscure than the last one. If you hack the game so that Noelle can cast SnowGrave on a normal enemy, (or, in older versions of the game, abort the Weird Route during the Berdly fight and actually bring Noelle back to a normal enemy to cast SnowGrave on,) the enemy won't run away or become frozen. *It'll turn to dust.* Furthermore, even before Chapter 2 was released, there is unused data for *the same turning to dust death animation*. This means that Lancer, King, and Queen don't actually bleed. They'd turn to dust if we managed to kill them.
If these two facts weren't true then I'd 100% agree with this theory, but sadly, no.
wait sans bleeds but we also hear dust when he goes offscreen
How are you not at 100k subs yet?
loool
@@CiblesGDbut honestly tho these theories ate good and well thought
True
It's not blood it's determination ;-; because it's the only thing in colour in the fights of Undertale
Theory: Sans is a human AND a monster. Here is why I believe this: Sans still turns to dust after dying in genocide, but, he bleeds, like other monsters cannot do. My theory is that sans was the second human with the cyan soul that fell into the underground. After he was killed by Asgore, his body was placed in one of asgore's coffins. Maybe through the determination and PATIENCE to continue living, his skeletal body was resurrected after death. Maybe through the magic blows of Asgore, sans was able to absorb magic, and continue to live after death, after his skin rotted away from his skeleton. This is why he still bleeds when brought to death in genocide. He possesses human qualities, like blood, and the knowledge of the abilities to save and load. He also possesses magic, like a monster. There was a whole comic dub created around a theory like this, called "Undertale green," where something similar happens to the green soul of Undertale. The green soul was able to keep her memories after death, so this means, the fact that sans is half human, is what he is hiding from the player. Sans probably found papyrus in the middle of nowhere, and decided to keep him safe as his "brother." I believe that papyrus is a full monster. Sans was probably taken up as an apprentice by gaster, the previous royal scientist, as they both have knowledge of saving and loading. Maybe the bunker in deltarune is Gaster's secret lab, where he tested an experiment on sans to get him how he is in Undertale. Maybe there will be a dark fountain in there in the future that the lighteners have to seal? Anyway, that is my crazy theory.
There's just no way Sans is a Darkner, for once darkners can't even exist in the light world, they're objects given life inside of the dark worlds, in the light world they turn back into their objects, is Sans made out of an object then? There's no evidence that he's not real.
We don't know if monsters actually have blood or not I think, Toby did make spites of Susie bleeding and she said "everybody bleeds" once, there's a chance some monsters do have blood but the little monster thought humans are made of it, Sans has an equal chance of being a mutated human that looks like a skeleton who doesn't have enough determination to notice the time loops without some sort of device.
Lancer acts nothing like Sans, his "teleportation" is used for comedic effect and his blood joke is just a joke.
Also, Asgore can dodge attacks, Undyne said it in her hangout, monsters can dodge attacks but they're just too weak (side characters) or don't want to (most bosses). Darkners need a heads up to know to dodge, and I'm pretty sure you only damage enemies when you miss attacks if their defense is low so that's just a game mechanic.
tldr: "oh Sans has blood so he can't be a monster, and he can't be a human because that's weird, so he must be the only other species we've ever seen in the games even though undertale is separate from deltarune and it's a dumb plot twist!"
In Deltarune, there’s a lack of a presence of magic amongst monsters in the Light World. So monsters could potentially have different biology in Deltarune comparing to Undertale?
Another thing, I noticed someone else pointed out that Susie has a quote among the lines of “Everyone bleeds, right?” Which further suggests to Deltarune monsters having different biology to Undertale monsters. If there’s a lack of magic in the Light World, then that could mean monsters aren’t held together by magic as well.
4:10 I think people treat Lancer's teleporting it as normal silly Toby Fox humour bcs Deltarune is the second game/Lancer is the second character to teleport, we've already seen and been shocked by Sans doing it (6 years ago, by the way) so when Lancer does it it's no longer surprising
Hm, interesting, though poorly explained, i didn’t quite get the point of this Theory.
Sans doesn't bleed, it is red, and there is only one thing that has colour in the battle interface: DETERMINATION.
Monster turn to dust that's because Monster in Undertale are Made out of Magic, But in Deltarune the Monster seems cannot use any Magic.
So in Deltarune, monster (maybe) can bleed.
Sans came from Deltarune?
But sans can't use any Magic.
So here is a another Theory, All of the Sansess in different World are all the Same.
Also berdly is white black and blue... don't forget gamers don't die they respawn berdly will be back in chapter 7.
Theory: sans from Undertale is the same sans from deltarune, just that it's a different time and a different timeline, deltarune is the prequel of undertale, that would explain the strange machine, and sans bleeds because monsters could possibly bleed in deltarune as said by Susie "everyone bleeds" how could she know this with a lack of humans in their world
I can totally imagine toby sitting in front of the video and being like "damn i didnt even think about that"
Everyone could dogde attacks in Deltarune. Every Darkner does when warned. also i think Every Darkner Have Blood from one theory
one dude named theory about sans "Sans is DARKNER?" or something like that
We actually have 1.25 gallons of blood in us. You should probably use a bucket for that
I feel like too much of this theory hinges on sans bleeding when its equally valid to assume sans really IS a monster and its ketchup
For the last time, sans doesn't bleed, because it wouldn't be colored in the combat menu, it's determination, but people still think blood can have a color
Darkners actually death in dust, if you kill them with noelle snowgrave
Sans is a monster but this Blood is a rest of his Powers hi not die that fast becuse that he was determined too i know that dont seams legit but read this the asriel have colors in fight same as Omega flovey it becouse of their magic sans use rest of his magic to get us guilty that we killed everyone
this seems like a stretch sorry
The triangles point up for the lighteners and down for the darkner in the Delta Rune symbol
Try to use snowgrave on normal enemies and you will see that darkners turn into dust too (sort of)
“White black and blue” oh hey, sand unsertale is Estonia
This makes large and uncanny amount of sence
Another big evidence that Sans is a darkner is that his door is the same kind of door that lets you warp through places in the dark world.
i kinda wonder if you can travel sans portal door in the darkworld
Geez, I’m early! I’m excited to see this theory!
thankie!
Susie says that everyone bleeds soooooo
Headcanon: I actually don't think sans die at the end of the genocide. I don't think he bleeds either.
I have to make a lot of assumptions, but i think that he fooled us with ketchup (that he loves) and fled.
It's the only monster we don't see vanish after the defeat and from whom we don't gain any LOVE or gold.
Heck, of all the monsters, why should *a skelton* bleed
Edit: if this Is true, It means that he can flee like darkners.
I'll just educate you on how Monster Food works on UNDERTALE:
monster food and human food are different in every way possible: when a monster eats monster food that food immediately turns into energy and does not take up space or do things like "spoil"
when you eat food in UNDERTALE, you're eating monster food that immediately heals you.
what sans is drinking is a monster ketchup, that is also, like all other food items in UNDERTALE - monster food
so even if sans for some reason decided to drink before the fight or had drunk the ketchup way before: it wouldn't make a difference.
it is still blood, CASE CLOSED!!!
@@uraynuke But what if he doesn't swallow? What if he's not properly "drinking It"? Anyways, we don't even know if that's monster food, we never actually buy or consume plain ketchup
@@uraynuke I mean, i made assumptions, but i recognized and admitted It.
You made quite a few assumptions (sans had to properly drink It, that's monster food even tho we never had the ability to test if It is, monster food works the same way for the player and for NPCs) and treat them as facts
@@uraynuke isn't It pretty odd that Toby made the only ketchup lover Monster also the only one that bleeds?
Also, that's a f*cking skeleton!
It looks like Toby did everything he could to make his death look odd
@@lamb6549 first off: if he doesn't swallow it, then it wouldn't be on his stomach and he couldn't have bled.
wow, noelles armpit. the answer to everything.
Didn't Toby said that Sans bleed was in reality Ketchup that he kept inside his his ribs?
That's only a fan theory!! One I really liked back before the times of deltarune. But it was never canon.
the color theory is cheeks but sans could be a darkner yeah
zusy is actually snas unrelated confirmed!!!
so true
So are you suggesting that every enemy is sans. Cause you can warn any enemy in that portion of the story to dodge Susie's attacks. Also, Lancer cant dodge attacks in the Susie and Lancer vs Kris and ralsei fight, you just missed the hit
Also, rouxls also teleports with his light beams, so is toulx also sans too?
And toriel has dark brown eyes on undertale, so is toriel a darkner????
I've been thinking about a theory revolving around the possible fact that Deltarune may be an alternate timeline of the Undertale History. When in the intro of Undertale they talk about how the 7 human mages sealed the underground It is implied that humans could use magic at some point. But at the time of Undertale it isn't implied that humans still use magic or remember it.
So, pretending that actually Deltarune IS an alternate timeline, the same rules may be applied for the monsters, 'cus Noelles wishes healing Rudy while visiting him and also at the Darkworld un the end of GigaQueen's Fight, implying that Monsters are incapable of using spells.
There's some dialogue about the stoves of Toriel's kitchen beign used making It more clear that she IS incapable of fire magic...
Maybe the time Deltarune IS being placed is the exact one of Undertale or similar, where monsters as well as humans are incapable of the usage of magic.
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And that's it. Thanks for listening my TEDDY BEAR Talk. See ya~~💺
I got plenty of reasons to list why Lancer isn't really Sans.
1. He doesn't have 1 HP (remember the Card Prison fight or the first encounter? One hit he would be DEAD in an instant and instead he was still alive and got hit multiple times)
2. He doesn't walk. As far as I can tell, Sans can walk while Lancer actually can't. He just slides.
3. He freezes in other Dark Worlds. Cause u see Sans would be a lightner, so if he were Lancer, Lancer wouldn't freeze.
So yeah those are my reasons. Idc if it is irrelevant. But bro u don't need to reply saying why Lancer IS Sans. I don't need to know it.
I mean he COULD be Sans if this actually IS a different Sans in Deltarune and that this Sans has more HP. But this Sans would be a lightner in Deltarune remember. Also about Lancer teleporting (this is a joke lads) maybe he dug holes.
I love watching people come up with the same ideas that I had all on my own. I'm not a video content guy, I just have a lot of my own notes and the community is coming up with a lot of cohesive content, I love it.
I feel like alot of people take things that are just cartoon logic (sans 'teleporting') or are there for dramatic effect (sans bleeding) and try to make an entire theory about it. Not everything is that deep. toby fox isn't a god. Also, as far as lancer having a bucket for your blood, DELTARUNE IS A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE ENTIRELY! It's like veggietales or Loony Tunes where the same characters are used in different stories with similar archetypes attached. The rules between these two games could be, and probably are, completely different and you can't just assume that "sans did this in undertale" means ANYTHING for deltarune at all! There actually IS evidence in deltarune that monsters aren't made of blood (a monster asking if it hurts to be made of blood) but you didn't bother to brining that up at all. Stop assuming shit is true about this game because of a completely different game!
The only thing of any real note you added here was at the very end about noel, and then you didn't elaborate. I'm tired of people acting like sans is more important than he is.
It's really interesting to hear other people's theories and opinions
However I personally disagree with this theory because :
- Lancer and king's designs were made by someone else wayyyy before deltarune was released or made
- I think it would be a huge stretch to imagine that toby made sans' design reminiscent of these 2 while deltarune didn't even exist yet (sorry if that isn't clear)
- i think the reason why sans is the only character to keep his Undertale clothes in deltarune is because he's the only Undertale character to wear "normal" clothes, like clothes you'd see in everyday life
- for the enemies running away thing, I'm pretty sure everybody knows this at this point but at the release of chapter 2 you could actually kill enemies with Noelle, and they would actually turn into dust (this got patched anyway but there's no way that's not significant). I personally think the reason why the enemies run away is so it would affect the ending too much, to stay coherent with this whole "1 ending" thing
- everyone's gonna insult me for this but I'm convinced the blood bucket and sans bleeding things are just huge oversights
- I'm personally think that pretty much all of the sans/lancer or whatever teleporting sequences are just meant to be gags and not taken seriously
Yes, i know not everyone is gonna agree with this, but I just wanted to share my opinions in a less... agressive way than what other people do 😂
Feel free to tell me your opinions on all of this but PLEASE, don't do it like "uuuuh, what you said is completely stupid because ...". I'll gladly hear everyone's opinions, as long as it stays respectful and doesn't make me sound like a retarded moron or something
What if the Angel’s Heaven is a metaphor for Asriel’s college? He was an Angel in Undertale and the computer in Kris’s room shows that he looked up when summer break is. Also, Queen is a representation of every characters mom depending on who she interacts with. We barely see her interact with Ralsei. Toriel brings up Asriel, but obviously he’s not there so we don’t see them together. While that could just be coincidence, consider the Delta Rune symbol. It’s on Asriel’s clothes when he becomes an angel.
I think Sans pretended to bleed by using magic, because he wants to make player sorry and regrets doing genocide and reset game to complete it in pacifist way. Especially since he know we have ability to reset and colour sprite in undertale means useing a lot of power like used during Omega Flowey and Asriel battle.
I'm not the autor of that teory above. I think I saw it once on channel called Underlab and I think even thou it's simple it appeals to me more. However rest of your theory is pretty good and interesting.
I'm confused when you imply that the enemies in chapter 1 teleport to card castle. this dark world seems much bigger than just what we see. So they likely could have passed us without us seeing it. Great theory otherwise, tho.
so noelle will turn into sans from undertale for the next chapters
Oh NAH-
@@youtubebobguy oh yes because in the snow grave route noelle tries to know what is wrong but she killed us with no control
@@yona3271 nope that is not happening bruh
@@youtubebobguy ik but i saw sans in the thumbnail and i be like : noelle is sans?!!?
@@yona3271 naw naw man. The thumbnail was just putting random main cast characters.
Sans, Lancer, Queen and King are Blue-Black-White because they're from ESTONIA