While it is highly unlikely that Alphys is the Knight, the mental image of Alphys jumping out the window, mad dashing to the library, creating a fountain and breathlessly cycling her way out on a bike, crashing, is quite funny
"OK OK I **DARK FOUNTAIN NOISES*NEED TO GO TO THE CLASSROOM NOW*bell noises* OH GOD UHH UMM Noelle: Ms, Alphys. Why were you so late today?. UHH emm so basically i uh woke up late thats why yeah thats why Noelle: Oh, Okay!." this is unfunny
Idea: Burgerpants wrote a rant on one of the computers and sent it as an email, and then someone printed those emails out, afterwards when the cyber world was created burgerpant’s rant influenced his personality
Temmie isn't very likely to be the knight, but considering what temmie is it feels weird that there is any evidence at all. Also temmie being the knight would be hilarious
With Queen saying “Is this not a power that all lighteners possess” I can’t help but think of how many times Susie’s will allows her to do whatever choices she wants regardless of the players decision.
@@animated_finn If you check her stats, it actually calls her a Dark Knight. To be fair though, Berdly calls himself a "knight in glow in the dark armor" so maybe that doesn't mean anything
It would also be worth noting that Queen, as stated herself, does not have all information. She might be wrong on all lighteners possessing Determination. We technically haven't seen any other monsters using it thus far.
You'd be surprised how idiotic some court cases can sound. Some people make Ace Attorney videos where they put REAL things ACTUALLY fricking said in court in the dialogue of the characters and it's hilarious.
@@maxspecs A flower powered by determination used in the amalgamate experiments. Since there were no amalgamate experiments in Deltarune, there is currently no avenue for people to be brought back from the dead.
@@fmh_bazingathe "long hand" or "long arm" of something powerful isn't an uncommon phrase either, so I don't think it makes much sense to completely write off it just being a metaphor. Maybe if it was exactly the same in the Japanese text too (Toby writes that too, and a lot of metaphors do not translate very well, and he knows that)
If Gaster is “The Man” then the eggs have a different layer of meaning I think. If you look at a windings translator chart, the letter “E” is pointing right and the letter “G” is pointing down. E-G-G is Right, Down, Down which reflects the movement of a Knight chess piece (:!
While I've known this for some time, I agree completely. Gaster is either the knight or he is going to be a protagonist. Too big not to appear, and just like papyrus has had some foreshadowing. If we consider the patterns of where he appears, he appears in the second area of the dark world. Since we start in the living room for chapter 3, we were on that sofa there, we will either encounter him in the kitchen, or in another room. Kitchens are for cooking, and it's an egg he gives us, so... But then why didn't we encounter him in queen's mansion with her kitchen, and why did we get teleported back to the bake sale in the forest. Last of all, the fountain was created right next to us. Why? What will stop us from walking for 5 minutes in the first and final area and defeating Mike or whoever is there to fight us? Roulx kaard. Roulx will appear and I feel he will try and stop us even more. So yeah sorry about that rant but that's my opinion. What's your opinions?
I have one major issue with this video. In the Temmie section, you said "given her flaws" however, Temmie has no flaws. Other than that, pretty good video.
I just realized, that makes so much more sense how Spamton and Mettaton's NEO forms are so similar. Mettaton left his NEO design on a computer in the computer lab, and it was adopted into the dark world as the derelict machine in the basement. Never realized that was a real possibility
And that version of NEO doesn't get one-shotted because expectations > final product Seriously if we had Mettaton NEO like that in Undertale, it would be similar (but harder without big shots)
Now that you lay Roulxs bare like that, I’m convinced he’ll come right before the knight, proclaim he’s the knight, and maybe he’ll fight you and then get pushed to the side by the actual knight.
You already know he's gonna show up out of nowhere towards the end of chapter 5 and proclaim himself as the knight while his theme song is playing hahahah
Alphys & Toriel should be in F tier and here's why: After we return to the light world to collect toys we can encounter Alphys talking to Toriel, so It's impossible for them to be in the Librarby before Noelle & Berdly.
Undyne's spear could be broken into two parts. The blade and the stick. The blade could be mistooken for a knife of some sort. Undyne is strong enough to break alot of things or just mortally hurt someone. Not kill. She's like a jaw breaker
Actually everyone is the knight, and they're all just crowding into the closet preparing to make the library dark fountain. They're just really really fast, which is how they all got there in time. Kris is actually the only one who isn't the knight, and everyone else is totally in on it.
The idea of an Ice-E suit becoming a suit of armor is just hilarious to me. The idea that the Knight is just running around in an Ice-E suit, making fountains and introducing themselves to King and Queen is just comedy gold. Wait... there's an Ice-E letter puzzle in cyber field, perhaps Queen made it in the image of the Knight? And there's the weird Ice-E pillow thing Susie makes you steal, perhaps Queen put it in Noelles room because it looked like the Knight. NO. ICE-E CANT BE RELEVANT TO THE PLOT. NO. NO. NO.
@@JaruJaruJ but have you considered that the angel is also the night, or are these two separate entities? This has huge plot implications depending on which version this video is based on. After all, the Gaster entry says "three heros appear at world's edge to (banish the angel's heaven)" but all we've seen from chapters 2/7 is closing dark fountains... But the angel has been deeply important symbolism since way back in Undertale, also tied deeply to the symbol that is/was the Delta Rune. implying that Toby's idea of the angel far predates the night. Since he envisioned Deltarune and had it in mind even before making Undertale, this tells me that the angel will somehow be more important/influential than the Knight at some point in the story. It is with out question, Chekhov's gun.
Dude you should’ve realized that the moment he started talking about bs nonsense like “[Hyperlink Blocked]” meaning an advanced multilevel wordplay referencing specifically Oxford Dictionary’s definitions of the two words in hyperlink instead of just one of his hundreds of nonsensical ramblings referencing stuff online in the 90s like square brackets means
The high five hand in the acid room is the knight. It has a ‘long hand’ and wields a ‘blade’ - Fingernails. Also it makes sense the Spade King likes them because it is the best thing in deltarune.
The idea that Rouxls Kaard has such a combination of being well supported and *objectively* funny that I will now adopt the headcanon that Rouxls is the knight
Rouxls is also the secret fifth king and he put the Spade King and son in charge as figureheads of his movement in chapter 1 Rouxls is also a valid first name for trolls in Homestuck and later on we see that Lancer (another valid troll name) has a bucket with a spade on it. So clearly the big bad that he's trying to revive is ACTUALLY LE (he was already here :^y )
@@bandito6678 Sans was the secret final boss in Undertale and apart of the cool factor was how his joke attributes were retroactively made threatening such as teleporting and breaking the fourth wall.
my issue with Jaru's video: darkners cant create the dark fountain of the world they live in. darkners are turned into inanimate objects when no fountain is present, and thus do not EXIST until AFTER the fountain is made.
absolutely love how rouxls makes a genuinely compelling candidate for the knight due to his characterization and motivations but has to be basically ruled out because of the technicality of him not being able to have made the cyber world fountain june 19th 2023 edit: still absolutely love this and still absolutely think about it occasionally but ive come back with new amazing insight: this whole candidacy invalidation snafu basically goes perfectly with his character. he would WANT to be the knight, or make people think he was, he would drum up all this bravado and try to sound dramatic and offer seemingly sound explanations, gloating to the delta warriors about how HE was the knight, HE was the one pulling the strings all along behind the scenes, how they were but mere wormes squirming betwixt his cunning digits, but the actual knight would just be standing in the room with them and ralsei would have to point that out to rouxls and he'd just say GOD DAMMIT
I love how RK's presentation is with a slowed-down epic version of his theme in his puzzles, and then there's a whole analysis of how he has so much evidence on how he's the Knight. Man, he's just that cool.
Suppose that Asgore was fired from being the Police Chief due to Dess going missing due to his negligence, in some way. He somehow figures out that she fell into a Dark World, and is going around opening Dark Worlds in places she once frequented, in an attempt to find her. If you consider where he made the fountains, a locked and unused classroom is out of the way enough that it's less likely for a student to wander in by accident, and they mention a few times in chapter two that the internet is down in the whole town right now, making the computer lab another place that is unlikely for someone to be going.
this is an interesting comment and honestly, even though he was the antagonist of the previous game, i’d love to see asgore incidentally being the knight (or being mistaked as the knight), opening dark worlds everywhere and trying to find dess. it’s entirely within his character to try and save a child from an uncertain fate and what’s to say he doesn’t know what the dark worlds are? personally, i’m biased because i want to see more characterization for this version of asgore
Good point! The Roaring Knight is picking unlikely places for people to go. The Roaring Knight A: Doesn't want anybody to get hurt in the Dark Worlds, or B: Doesn't want anybody to find and put a stop to what he's doing. Also the comment above you suggests that since there was a mysterious door to Asgore's Flower Shop on the downstairs (I'm gonna do an A/B thing again) A: People are unlikely to go downstairs, and B: Not many people come to the flower shop. So it's the perfect place.
Not to mention, that could be why Kris opened the dark fountain in their house. Not specifically to find Dess, but just to let the truth be known by SOMEBODY. They rip the soul out, prowl around, and slash Toriel’s tires, practically guaranteeing that the police get called, only for them to arrive in a dark world? And besides, Undyne is the only person you have the OPTION to tell about dark worlds, but she doesn’t take Kris seriously. What better way to convince her, than showing her that “hey, this is a real thing, one of my friends is trapped inside one of these.”
Even though his opportunity is weak, there’s a scary amount of evidence for Rouxls Kaard. One that you missed is that the sound effect for Kris creating the dark fountain at the end of Chapter 2 is actually RK’s teleportation sound slowed down.
I could see a scenario where when Toby Fox was making Rouxls Kaard, he noticed the same initials for Rouxls Kaard and the Roaring Knight and decided to have a little fun with us and throw some red herrings just to make us either confused or horrified that he's hinting that Rouxls Kaard is the knight
I think Ralsei is even more unlikely to be the knight because when the queen forgot about him when she captured the other 4 in ch 2, she kind of just went "oh. It's you. Idk what to do with you lol run along" which I HIGHLY doubt would have been her reaction to being able to talk to the knight alone
Remember, the only video of the Cyber World's creation had so much fog, that it onscured the Knight's face. Also, it's Kris. We literally watch Kris plunge his blade into the earth, creating Chapter 3's dark world, the same way Queen described the creation of the Cyber World.
@@Weston-s4k Yes... Because she *literally* told the cast (including Kris) how to open a Dark Fountain. If they did it without Queen saying how to do it then it would hold any weight, but they didn't, or at least we have no idea if they did.
one small detail that i feel the need to point out. when Kris opens the dark world at the end of chapter two we see smoke fill the room and kris walks back over to the sofa. this shows that when a dark fountain is made it takes a moment to form. it is entirely within reason to believe that you could open a dark fountain in a room and then leave the room before the dark world forms. so you could conceivably make a dark world without ever entering it.
@@fgvcosmic6752 based on the into chapter 2 gave, its easy to manipulate the dark world using the items they represent and just plucking them and even implies that the worlds “exist” before the fountains are created. so its very easy to say that the knight could just, put all the king cards in a box and leave the king of spades and jack of spades cards as the only rulers.
From what we know for an absolute fact is that in the upcoming chapter 3. We will definitely know for sure who the knight is. Because Kris created the dark world for chapter 3. And if anyone in that new dark world mentions a knight giving them plans and acting on its behalf we would know without a doubt if it is infact Kris or someone else in the general vicinity.
@@HydrogenBaII thats very true, Its mentioned by Catti that they studied occult and has a fear of the bunker. it could very well be the case that kris found out about dark worlds through some means relating to that. but im just making stretches based on knowledge from less than 1/3rd of the game.
I think "long hand" is being taken too literally. "Long arm of the law" is a common enough saying that doesn't imply the law has an actually long arm. It instead is used to demonstrate that the law is hard to escape, as if it had a long reach. I think long hand could be similarly not literal. perhaps the knight has a long reach.
This encapsulates a huge problem I have with deltarune theory videos. Taking everything too literally and justifying decision making with the classic “it’s Toby Fox he’d trick us for no reason” is kinda lame
@ilikegoblo4665 Toby doesn't even do that very much. It's not fair to assume that he'd outright lie about things. There aren't many outright lies in Undertale, for instance - when that game wants to misdirect the player, it goes for misleading insinuation instead. IE, the intro, which doesn't explicitly state "you are playing as The Fallen Child" but is clearly implying that, or the real meaning of EXP and LV. You were never lied to about what these words meant, but you would naturally assume that they mean the same thing they do in every other RPG. I expect Deltarune having "only one ending" will be the same thing - at the end, it will technically be true, but in such a very different way than you would normally expect.
Jaru, I just wanted to let you know - I can't imagine how much effort this took, and in case you needed to hear, it was absolutely worth it. You call it "disgustingly long", but your voice and writing style is so much fun to listen to for long, detailed theories like this, I was thoroughly entertained for every last second of it.
Thank you so much! It really means a lot to me to hear that. I was really anxious about this one, what with its length and my voice wabbling due to how long the recording session was, but to hear you and others still enjoyed it is wonderful! Thank you for the comment and the very kind words!
@@JaruJaruJ While I'm here, I think your final theory is VERY compelling; even without your theatrics I was easily able to imagine the events playing out as you described them, especially a dramatic reveal mirroring the one we got for Ralsei. At the very least, I really do think the Knight being a character that isn't technically the same person as a pre-existing character, but still having a distinct connection to one, is the most interesting conceptual idea for them. Regarding Oberon Smog, I just feel like pointing out - Smaug is the name of the villain in The Hobbit, the first book Tolkein published that would eventually give rise to The Lord of the Rings, and Gerson's book is clearly a direct reference to Tolkein's work, down to its origin as stories he would read to his children.
The line "Starwalker joining makes sense, because he's the original starwalker" has the same energy as "'Mr. Nimbus controls the police.' 'How?!' 'Because he's Mr. Nimbus!'"
If I remember correctly, Toby made a Twitter(?) post that Deltarune was originally going to have an animated intro sequence, and at the end, the Delta Warriors were ascending a tall staircase, surrounded by the main enemies of each chapter, and at the top was the Knight in front of a white door. The "white door" INSTANTLY made me think of the Mystery Man door in Waterfall, and of course, people theorize that the Mystery Man is Gaster. My guess is that even if the MM isn't Gaster, the Knight si whoever the Mystery Man is, or his Deltarune counterpart, or whatever you wish to think. Granted, Toby definitely could have changed the story since then, as he scrapped the animated into entirely, or I could be misremembering ENTIRELY, but it's something I think about a lot when discussion of "who is the Knight" is brought up (and also something I hardly hear ANYONE talk about).
Wait, no, it wasn't a Twitter post, I don't think. I'm pretty sure it was in the Undertale 6th Anniversary stream. Regardless, the fact that NOBODY talks about it makes me thing I got something wrong.
Notably, that intro seems to rule out Kris, Susie and Ralsei, and all the prior bosses of being the knight. Like you can't show the Delta Warriors approach the knight..and than have one of them be the knight
@@usermcskull4713 To be fair, it could be less literal representation of what's going on and show two closely connected people like say, Kris and the player due to technically being separate entities, but it most definitely doesn't make sense for it to literally just... be Kris... twice?? Like, what?
What if at some point in the game you lose control of Kris, maybe to themselves or Gaster, and you get to control the actual character you created at the beginning of Chapter 1 to fight Kris? It's a really weird reach but Toby pulled weirder stuff lmao.
SO THAT'S WHY SPAMPTON'S A CAT!! He's connected to Burgerpants, that's such a cool connection! This video, as always, is super well-made and thought-out! Thanks for all of your hard work, your videos are my absolute favorite!!
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Spamton is NOT a cat, and he is only cat when he is neo. But the cat element is only on string attacks on tasque and tasque manager and since spamton neo is being held by strings or wires he is not a cat, it only says because the element is cat but it may be string
Love the fact that, since the dog is a representation of the creator Toby, you didn't even try to make arguments for or against it being the knight. And honestly, how can you? They are literally backwards God (dog, hehe) in this world.
Also, everything lines up. A dog’s paw has four toe beans (fingers? Maybe a stretch) also he’s the only character we see inside of the computer lab. He also is seen in the dark world causing a traffic jam. The timeline is too perfect, he could stay in the computer lab until the next day, hide in the closet, create the fountain, leave, and cause the traffic jam in hometown as Undyne claims.
The only thing I feel doesn't line up is the "large person" part, but you could interpet that bit of dialogue as just as being just a reference to Berdly in Snowgrave
@@noizepusher7594 good theory although I'm not sure if it's ok to not consider that the annoying dog is there for convinience, like "how do i get the player to that specific situation? Oh of course! An annoying dog did something that conviniently lets the story writing be simpler and flexible!" Now something like that obviously can't be cannon, but, saving was cannon in Undertale right? But if the dog is a solution to make the plot easier to write, it can't be the plot itself, or is it?
I’ve been reading a lot of ideas about the knight lately and it seems that many theories are based on the idea that Toby wants us to find out who the knight is. Hints such as “a large person could easily fit inside the closet” or that the queen described the knight as having a “long hand” have many theorists using the process of elimination in order to debunk this mystery. But if I were Toby Fox, the last thing I would want is for my fan base to discover who the knight is. In fact I would even put out misleading tidbits of information such as the quotes above to throw off the players’ trail. Wouldn’t it make more sense for the knight to be wearing a disguise that can conceal their identity? All it would take is for the knight to put on something like… a large suit of armor before going around opening dark fountains and their identity would be safely kept a secret. Then, even if the knight were to be revealed in chapters 3-5 their true identity could be kept a secret until the final two chapters. And if someone were to own a disguise such as a suit of armor in deltarune, another lightner (the knight) could’ve stolen it from them. I’m getting more and more convinced that the knight is going to be kept a strict mystery until the true reveal. And once revealed, their motives, identity, and backstory will be a complete surprise. The only thing I can guess about the knight is that their eventual reveal will be unsettling, similarly to how Asriel slowly turned around at the end of Undertale’s pacifist route only to turn into his God of Hyperdeath form.
If you can't see a twist coming, it's probably poorly written. Toby has DEFINITELY seeded the knights identity by now but I do agree that a lot of the evidence is probably a red herring and the knight will probably be on screen in chapter 3-5 but won't be revealed until chapter 6. I also don't think the Knight is the end game perse so the reveal may happen sooner, who knows?
There's also the fact they could probably just alter their appearance. The lightners all change appearance when they enter the dark world, Kris' skin tone even changes. I don't think it's a far stretch to assume someone who has more knowledge about how this world works could have more control over how they look. They don't even need to go in wearing armour - Kris' clothes turn into armour when they enter the dark world, so why would it be any different for the knight?
@@callmequaz9052Yeah agreed on the appearance front. I don’t know why there would be a character we’ve met thus far obviously resembling a Knight who then is revealed to be the Knight. We’ve either never met them or we have and they’ve been in disguise, but regardless they are clearly concealing their identity with intention.
One thing I want to bring up is the whole "Does or does not have armor" thing. All the Lightner characters we've seen in the Dark World go through a very extensive outfit change upon entering the Dark World. Both Kris and Berdly gain armor as part of their Dark World outfit despite neither wearing anything even resembling armor in the Light World. While you could argue some characters fit into a suit of armor better than others, there is really nothing to suggest a correlation between armor in the Light World and armor in the Dark World. I mean, if we didn't know of the Undertale version of Asgore, would you think of him in a suit of armor?
Another reason Asriel, can be in my opinion so I’d put him higher I’m thinking of him as a dark knight, and gaster can be the main villain so we save Asriel, and he becomes a Paladin, and wants to put a end to the man he blindly followed who could also make Asriel, twisted in his good hearted self, plus when he’s in hyperdeath he actually has armor, but i could see a more elaborate design for it in Deltarune.
Another thing, hands. Do they have to be literal hands? Or does it have to be literally a knife? I think anything with a piercing thing could work, like a lance or a beak
It seems that the lightners armor adapts to the first dark world they enter, but that is a bit far fetched. My only supporting evidence is Kris and Susie more "medieval" clothes and Burghley "tech" armor, each sort of representing the dark world they went.
@@ThePunchlineIs That pattern doesn't really hold up since Noelle is wearing a hooded fantasy cleric robe... Unless this wasn't Noelle's first Dark World??? That last part was a joke at first, but now that I think about it... Noelle does talk about how they (Noelle, Kris, Dess and Azzy) used to go exploring together. It is heavily implied that both Dess and Asriel will have a role to play in the plot, considering the emphasis on Asriel's return from college, and the mystery of Dess's disappearance. Maybe the four of them somehow stumbled into a Dark World back then? Pretty far fetched and with no evidence, but it is something to think about, so thanks for bringing it up.
Gosh, it's crazy to see that people are calling cringe on practically everything these days. Like, how antisocial/boring one has to be in order to get annoyed with an excited human being who is obviously happy to share his incredible revelations about unpredictable plot twists... x) There's really nothing wrong with your way of delivering info. I really enjoy your "dramatic" tone, to be honest. If anything, it only demonstrates your sincere interest and genuine desire to figure out hidden plot twists, which is cool!
Based on other theories I've read, I believe that Dess is trapped in a dark world (Noelle repeatedly searches up her name she doesn't have a gravestone, and she is likely the one calling for help in the files and likely sings Don't Forget), the case of her disappearance is why Asgore lost his job, and Asgore is creating the dark fountains to find her. This, as well as his actions in Undertale, explains why he is desperate enough to put the school's children in danger.
I think she's probably trapped in The Bunker, it seems like an endgame Dark World so it'll probably be the last one. Maybe the story of The Knight and The Angel could wrap up in chapter 6, whereas chapter 7 could be an epilogue chapter dedicated to Dess. ...i have no evidence for this second prediction, i just think it'd be neat if the DELTA WARRIORS' greatest challenge wasn't stopping The ROARING or the ANGEL'S HEAVEN, but instead finding their friend's sister. Trapped all alone...in the dark
You have to wonder, though... Can you actually live in one for long periods of time? How literal was it when Susie said she felt like nothing she ate mattered? Since you can get Berdly fucked up in the real world, could you like, live off of revitalizing spells or something? Wait, no, I got it! Maybe she's been eating food-based Darkners! Alright I don't think we have to theorize any more after that.
For your theory: Gerson was a good friend of Dreemurr family in UT universe. Asgore's flower shop has a mysterious dooron second floor and an extra side entrance on first. That could be his next target - Flower King shop.
i really want to know the japanese translation of “the remaining king put him and his strange son into power” as japanese both doesn’t have confusing third person pronouns, and DOES have confusing third person pronouns, as the pronouns are usually omitted in their entirety. perhaps for these two reasons, the japanese translation of this line MIGHT provide further clarity as to who’s being referred to.
Yeah, a good thing to think about when it comes to dialogue is that Toby writes the Japanese dialogue himself, so it could potentially clear up some oddities like that
Something to add to the part about Rouxls Kaard, I don’t have it but I remember seeing that someone datamined some scrapped attacks from Rouxls. The interesting thing about these attacks was that they were impossible to dodge. Either Rouxls is going to get a fight with a special mechanic in the future that will let you dodge those prototype attacks, or he is going to fight you with significant force.
@@JaruJaruJ Rouxls Kaard does seem related to the Roaring Knight in any circumstance. He could actually be the Knight's trusted champion to cross your path and protect the realms the Knight created. I think chapter 2 is a result of the Roaring Knight's unawareness of how much power Rouxls Kaard can carry with him in the realms he didn't belong in. Maybe when you were on the Snow Grave route, Rouxls Kaard tried to put himself on full power because he was watching you from the shadows and saw how strong you were getting, only to be turned into stone. The implication of Rouxls Kaard holding off his true power may imply that Rouxls Kaard didn't try to show off his true power in chapter 1 because he didn't originate in that world either.
@@JaruJaruJ hey, secret bosses. Jevil and spamton neo are discarded, and I think the game being made will be discarded, the one asriel was amking with rainbow winged final boss. Of course if we consider more discarded stuff then me might gain the thought of the egg we put in asgores fridge, and lastly the vessel. Do you agree with my theory that these will come back to kill us?
An interesting thing about Shawm is that, based on his dialogue, he knows who the next secret boss will be... BEFORE Kris creates that Dark Fountain. HOW?! Roaring Knight he is not, but clearly something deeper than "learned shopkeep" is going on here!
@@saffron584 That is 100% true, since spamton for example knows about jevil, and queen and king seems to know each other, and that would be impossible if the worlds didn't exist
Could totally see burger pants stabbing the ground with a knife in "determined" fury and accidentally creating a dark world. Which if we expand on, could lead to BP creating *more* dark worlds because hey, he's actually somewhat of a big shot in them/trampling through a dark world is therapeutic and calming, like those "pay to destroy stuff" businesses.
I'm a little late for this, but one thing I wanna add to the RK is Roaring Knight part is that the sound effect when Kris creates a fountain is Rouxls' teleportation sound slowed down. Could be just Toby reusing sound effects to make things easier tho, with him you can never know
Guys, don't you realise it? The annoying dog is the knight! Since he was in the library in chapter 1, he could have easily hid in the closet, and since he is so small, he created the cyber world dark fountain without anybody noticing!
We do see him in cyberspace and it did absorb the relic in Undertale. Who knows what kind of power it has, and creating fountains could easily just be by the dog's nature, like digging a hole.
I know this is a joke, but I genuinely hate this idea lol. One of my favorite things about Deltarune is that it's not Homestuck, Toby Foxes self-insert being just a joke rather than an actual integral part of the story
One more potent piece of evidence that could point to Alvin being the Knight is that Birdley, after leaving the cyber world, says he’ll be late for his shift with Ms. Boom. The only character known to have the last name Boom is Gerson, so it’s possible that Alvin’s sister is the librarian. It’s not unreasonable for someone to visit their sister, especially if she worked at a public place, which would make it inconspicuous for him to go to the library And of course, this also supports your final theory
@@soupisfornoobs4081 I was referring to it being inconspicuous for Alvin to visit his sister And similarly to how Gerson/Knight in this theory might have visited the school since he worked there, he could have visited the Library since his daughter worked there
I have a proposition for you: There are MULTIPLE Roaring Knights. End of chapter 2, Kris makes a Dark world. Knife? Check. Fingers? Check. But at the same time, how could he have been at the library when the dark world was already there? Unless, it was a different roaring knight. Unless its multiple people. Multiple people, that have similar motives. So much so, they would work together to achieve them.
@@dragonfire3727 That’s because we don’t know for certain right now if there even ARE multiple knights or just one knight…PLUS there’s nothing in the Deltarune universe so far that implies there are multiple knights Right now. That could change as time goes on as more chapters come out
What if that one is the “Roaring” knight, who has different motives than other knights with different titles, such as possibly bringing about the Roaring? What if other knights don’t want a roaring?
I think Papyrus has more evidence to being the Roaring Knight then you might think, if you consider his Undertale line about him being in closets (no skeletons in my closet --- except for maybe me!) Hes very tall, too, so the closet is big enough for him to fit inside -- and the fact the dude implies he knows a lot more about whats going on then he lets on in Undertale as well. (like pretending he doesnt know what a laboratory is infront of others, but when you talk to him alone he knows exactly what it is and explains Sans likes science and shit) Regardless of disagreeing Papyrus is unlikely a contender, great work!
papyrus being so mysterious in undertale with so many people just kinda pushing it aside is very strange to me. obviously a lot of stuff he says is meant as jokes, but theres nothing stopping those jokes from being actual plot points theres also the chance that papyrus is significantly different in deltarune. most characters seem pretty much the same with some differences, like catty and bratty being rivals instead of friends. maybe papyrus difference could have a sort of ripple effect through other parts of him or his life
Sans on Deltarune is pretty close in the top, or at least, dropping subtle hints on uncovering the identity of Knight, like the eggs and I believe something about the movement on how Knight works in chess? or he's the perfect red herring too.
I also feel like him being able to be tricked by flowy in undertale could show his ability to be tricked by someone like Gatser into becoming the knight in undertale
Petition to put RK in A tier for one reason. Lancer is able to 'jump in and out' of Kris's pocket at the speed of a menu. He also calls Rouxls 'dadcrobatic (lesser)', which could mean Lancer thinks Rouxls more skilled than him. If that's the case, that could possibly mean that he leapt out and back in faster than we were shown, possibly when talking to Susie at some point in chapter 2, thus creating a dark fountain in the computer lab.
I actually love the idea of Rouxls being the Knight lol. He's not so silly that it would feel dumb to have him be that sort of twist villain,, and I think an antagonist whose whole thing is wanting to devote themselves to a literal God of destruction is actually kinda cool? Like, instead of being the big bad because he wants something for himself, he's actively seeking to get himself thrown into an equally treacherous position all for the sake of having somebody to worship. Idk it just seems intriguing to me,, the concept of the villain actually being a spineless dog
Absolutely! There are definitely some fun concepts at play there, and it would make for an interesting antagonist. Obviously, I don't believe in that option, but I wouldn't have given RK the time of day if him being the Knight didn't make a decent amount of sense!
Id love to see him just being imprisoned just because ralsei realizes his initials are the same as the knight. And him asking why he is imprisoned. Then ralsei all of a sudden senses a new dark fountain open. Roulxs then gets released and gives us the biggest god-damit fit ever.
It's also worth noting that, at the VERY least, Berdly cares deeply for Noelle, and even if he's a jerk to everyone else, he's always well-intentioned when it comes to her. For one, Noelle mentions that Berdly's always nice to her when it's just the two of them, and he admits to pretending to have a crush on Noelle because he thought she was only helping him because she had a crush on him, implying that he faked liking her for YEARS just because he didn't want to break her heart. And most notably, he immediately jumps into a fight with Kris during Snowgrave despite being warned to run away because he could tell something was wrong with Noelle, quite literally at the cost of his life. The only time he puts Noelle in harms way INTENTIONALLY (and without good reason) is during his fight with Kris and Noelle in the normal route, but something tells me he wasn't really taking that fight seriously, as most (if not all) of the dark world battles have a sort of comedic/non-serious sort of vibe to them. That said, it seems unlikely that he would be the knight, as the knight KNOWS about the roaring. If he knew what he would doing could potentially seriously harm and/or kill Noelle, he probably wouldn't do it. (Then again this is just what I took from his character, maybe I'm wrong and he's actually just a douche, but Toby Fox isn't really in the business of making characters so one-dimensional.)
I always assumed the whole "long arm/long hand" thing was metaphorical, like the phrase "long arm of the law." Doesn't necessarily mean policemen have longer than average arms or anything. Great video! Must've taken a lot of time and effort. Many thanks for the good content.
Hold it. If it is a metaphor, what does it _mean?_ When someone says “long arm of the law” they’re referring to law enforcement and characterizing it with great ability to seek and find. This “metaphor” is strange, because it doesn’t seem to imply anything beyond the literal. What about the knight’s arm being long is significant? Nothing else in the entire game puts any emphasis on the knight’s reach or finding ability. Why do that in this context? It really doesn’t seem to describe anything past a literal action taking place.
@@Fluffkitscripts The Knight clearly does have a long reach in the metaphorical sense though, they're creating a bunch of Dark Worlds and influencing their leaders to work toward their agenda. I think it's pretty clear they don't have only a small amount of influence.
Elijah Wright but that’s just one half the sentence. The rest describes the act of raising its hand and making, which unless that has a meaning on which to elaborate, doesn’t make sense to mix with a metaphor. Especially since we know this is what it _literally_ did, the act of creating the dark fountain.
The massive length of this video scared me from committing to watching it for a while, but once I started, I didn't want to stop watching! It was wonderful for listening to in the background, not too distracting but was very interesting and gave me a lot to think about in regards to theorycrafting and Deltarune lore.
There is actually a likely possible candidate you forgot to mention. Mrs. Holiday, aka Noelle’s mom. She is someone who is hinted at, but we never see her. First off, she is a hard worker, but also a bit cold. She is implied to be the mayor, and is hard at work on the festival. Interestingly, both secret bosses have backgrounds based on carnival rides, being merry-go-rounds and roller coasters. The holidays are shown to be pretty religious, which could explain the angel connection and whatever Spamton means by “Communion”. She has a motive, as one of her daughters seemingly went missing, and her husband is dying. And given that we don’t see her at all, she could easily sneak around to places in order to create dark fountains. We don’t know much about her, so it’s still hard to say.
You missed more info. Dess and Noelle were part of an occultist group involving the goth cat and kris. This means that if she tried to, she could have access to the resources if she just took an interest or note of the occultistic things her daughters did.
he actually did mention Mrs. Holiday, but just briefly enough to say he wouldn't talk about her. I don't think she is the Knight, but I do think she's worth mentioning for the reasons you described. At the very least, she'd be more likely than some of the other characters analyzed here.
I feel like you really underestimated Papyrus's chances. He has hands (which some could describe as long) and an undefined amount of fingers (which means he could have either 4 or 5), he's a big person who could fit in the computer lab's closet, he has ample opportunity to create Dark Fountains as he supposedly stays all day at home, he has very strong ties to the theme of "Forgetting" and "Escapism" as he's a lonely 'loser' who could really use of fun dark world adventures, as you mentioned in UT he wanted to be a Knight, in both chapters when you knock on his house he runs away implying he's socially anxious, and that could explain why if he was the Knight he'd create a fountain in the lab and run away since Noelle and Berdly were unexpectedly there, and last but not least the Steam page for the game Toby specifically says Papyrus is "busy"... peharps busy opening dark fountains? We have no reason to believe that the Knight truly knows what the Roaring is/does or that they don't have a different perception of it, i mean, if they really wanted to cause it why not just open 15 fountains in a row? Why wait a whole day to open a single one? About him being goofy, i mean, Flowey exists and he's similarly goofy. But still, the different circumstances of DR's timeline/world could've led Papyrus to become more bitter and less goofy person, we've already seen how the different circumstances can make UT characters very different, Mettaton is even more depressed than how he sounded in his UT diaries. Also, i agree with your other theory that Papyrus will die at the end and Sans will go to Undertale's world without him, but like, wouldn't that hit harder if Papyrus was an actual character instead of just a plot device for Sans's story? Imagine if Papyrus's death was somehow directly or indirectly caused by himself if he was the Knight, it'd make the two bros even more tragic.
I think when Spamton refers to "Easels or CRTs" he's talking about Swatch and Queen, the two most responsible for stopping him from reaching the body under the mansion. Now that Kris is here he doesn't need to convince Swatch or Queen to let him in as Kris can force their way in regardless. Great video btw!
Considering the theme's of creation and different kinds of fiction, as well as how Jevil referenced the future chapter, I've always gone with the assumption that Easels and CRTs are Spamton's versions of references to future dark fountains. It's all but confirmed that Chapter 3 will involve TV in some way (The TV in Kris' house is a CRT), so perhaps Chapter 4's dark fountain would take place somewhere with a lot of paintings
@JayDee You're probably right. We might even encounter the Dark World version of the How to Draw Dragons book borrowed by Asriel, and see potentially risque yet amateur art of dragons.
Wow, you’re honestly the first person I’ve seen discuss the easels or CRTs line from Spamton, it’s been bugging me for a while now, but your suggestion for its meaning is pretty believable considering that it’s been established that some darkners are to some extent aware of darkners from other dark worlds
I think most people focused on the CRT part to tie it into Mike (who many people predict will be the main villain and that the Dark World will be a TV world for a variety of reasons you probably already know) so they probably ignored the easels part for that haha. I didnt even pay attention to the easels part or the second unused classroom until now haha
@@JaruJaruJ Most people see Spamton's dialogue as consisting primarily of jokes, rather than serious lore. And once you look past that, it's too darn confusing.
Spamton is definitely trying to say *something* with those [Hyperlink Blocked] comments. it's like he's trying to get you to realise (or click!) something and he's being filtered. That plus the cryptic stuff that might refer to the next game, yeah there's probably a lot of info in Spamton's words and the fandom have become so easily amused and distracted by his funny mannerisms and creepy demeanour that we're not really paying attention! The CRT and easels comment is so easily seen as a throwaway random remark.
Ok but speaking of Mettaton, there was an ending where he became ruler of the underground and, if I remember correctly, he turned out to be a tyrant and forgive me if I remember this wrongly but I think he executed people as well. So yeah, Mettaton is capable of unethical bloodshed.
@@emilierekdal5118 I love mettaton. Every morning I wake up in my mettaton branded bed, kiss my mettaton branded lover take a bath in my mettaton branded bath before brushing my teeth with a mettaton branded brush (the tooth brushes were sold out) useing mettaton branded tooth paste. Then I put on my mettaton branded cloths and eat my mettaton branded breakfast. Then I leave my mettaton branded home and drive to my mettaton branded car to my mettaton branded job. I like to put in a hour of unpaid work each day just for mettaton. Then I go to a mettaton branded restaurant and meet my mettaton branded lover and have a mettaton branded meal together. Then we go home store our mettaton branded 'trash' safely and going to sleep while wearing a mettaton branded bed mask
The ending where Mettaton becomes the ruler of the Underground is possibly the darkest ending of Undertale, as he becomes a Tyrant who executes and brainwashes people. Sans and Papyrus are brainwashed into becoming his bodyguards. It's honestly a huge assassination of Mettatons character, especially after he has that heartfelt ending to his fight. Maybe Deltarunes world is better off with Mettaton not achieving his dreams lol
@@pancakes8670 Yeah I completely agree. It feels so out off place because his whole… arc?- is about him only pretending to be this egocentric murder machine, while in reality he was but a passionate guy who only wanted to entertain people. But the ending proves otherwise? Was that the point of it maybe? To open our eyes, to show that he actually is the douche he pretends to be? Idk man. So confused. :/
What is weird is that characters with talk sprites seem to be the ones who are most relevant to the plot, so Pizzapants/Burgerpants being in a dark world at least isn't that far out there. The voice at the beginning also calls Bratty and Catty "Interesting" if you enter their names, as weird as they are, I do believe they will have a dark world adventure with Kris. :3
Also idk about Noelle's personality disorder, on both playthroughs I thought the evidence that Noelle showed puts her much more towards the idea that she seems to auto-repress traumatic memories, seeming to blank out, for a time, then coming back to consciousness not even remembering what just happened
@@CalvinNoire 100% about Dess, she was winning in a spelling bee against Berdly but lost because she completely froze at the last word, "December", Dess' full name, in a likely PTSD episode. She might have been present at whatever happened to Dess and has blocked the memory of everything about it except the fact December has gone missing
"Queen would've recognized the Knight" "King would've recognized the Knight" Queen couldn't recognize Noelle when she wore a cardboard box on her head. Similarly, the King is not terribly smart. "Asgore wouldn't want to hurt children" Asgore wouldn't want to, but he's shown he's also perfectly willing to hurt or kill children if he believes it is necessary "The Knight would oppose the Delta Warriors" Both the King and Queen made assumptions about the Knight's intentions. If we assume the Knight is aware that the Card Kingdom Fountain was closed, and the Cyber City Fountain was opened after the Card Kingdom Fountain was closed, then the Knight choosing to leave Cyber City after making the fountain indicates that they are perfectly okay with the Delta Warriors closing fountains, and in fact, this may be part of their plan. Similarly, the Knight may or may not be aware of the nature of the Roaring itself
Hmm… queen might not be terribly perceptive, so it’s not completely out of the question, but I’m not buying the whole “king doesn’t have basic perceptive skills” thing. He seems to at least have his head attached.
Well, their name is the "Roaring Knight" and not "Knight that has a suspicion that opening dark fountains may possibly end the world" so they most likely know about Roaring.
This is actually something that stopped me from completley dismissing the kris is the knight theory. Maybe they made these dark fountains because they like the adventures, and know that the fountains will be closed before any harm can be done.
At the end of chapter 2, Noelle talks about how great the dark world is, and how she prefers it. What if Dess went to the dark world, thought the same thing, except she decided to stay? It would make sense as to why she seemingly disappeared with no trace.
I like this theory, but a piece of evidence against it is that Susie says that the food in the dark world doesn’t really work. If that is so, the how would Dess not have starved while there?
@@themarvelousmikey3512I mean, Kris and the members of their/our party constantly eat food to revive and get more health. So I assume that some food works.
I’m fairly certain Queen’s “And Made” line is supposed to follow up on the previous one, which is to say, the full line would be “Reaching Its Long Hand To The Sky, It Coursed Its Will Into Its Blade And Made,” with the last two words being separated for dramatic effect. Though admittedly, her lack of punctuation does make it somewhat hard to tell.
Imagine at the end of Deltarune there's some really scary music, Ralsei is the only one with you, suddenly everything becomes black, except for Kris and Ralsei, and there's a dialogue text in the screen: "I am the Knight. Do you know who it is?" "NO? WELL, I WAS GOING TO KILL YOU EITHER WAY!" Then Onionsan himself appears on screen.
Let’s not forget that Rouxls also bears heavy resembles to Gaster, his nature as the rules card parallels Gaster nicely, and even subtly has Gaster’s motif playing in parts of his theme. There is an uncomfortable connection between Kaard and Gaster that nobody is talking about.
I would agree with you, if it weren't for the fact that Gaster's theme is in 90% of the Undertale and Deltarune soundtrack so it being in Rouxls' theme isn't too significant
@@clttr it is yes, but I think most of the songs it appears in were intentional, for a character as mysterious as Gaster, who seems to be VERY important to the behind the scenes of the story, I think it's likely any song that has his theme in it, was done on purpose, so although Rouxls does have it, it's not unique, but probably is NOT a coincidence
@@Irish_Enderman you actually do raise some good points, and i think that it wasnt articulately put into every song but instead made so even when toby isnt thinking (which i doubt) he puts it in a song especially since a lot of "it's pronounced rules" IS actually leitmotifs
Asgores main problem, the motive, could be explained by Noelle's sibling going missing. They might know about the dark worlds and want to find them, no matter the cost. However, the roaring knight knows about the roaring, and Asgore wouldn't hurt that many people knowingly.
Yeah, Asgore is infamous for being “wishy washy”: he can’t commit to any course of action that gets people hurt. He could declare war on humanity in his anger, but that was when there was little consequence to doing so. He’s so afraid of hurting anyone that he sometimes hurts people anyway by not just “getting things over with”
do we have evidence that the Knight 1. knows about the roaring 2. knows about it in the exact same way Ralsei does? I wouldn't be surprised if The Roaring ended up being more complicated than Ralsei made it appear, or at least Asgore viewed it in a different way. maybe he found the dark world and wanted to spread the darkness so everyone could live in a magical and exciting land instead of the harsh real world.
@@birdflox1337 It isn't unlike asgore to jump into something and not back down, I don't think it's unlikely they don't understand the roaring in the same way, either. Asgore has a pretty free schedule and access to a lot of the dark worlds that have been created. The question of who showed the queen the knights method to creating fountains makes it hard to discern any candidate currently, but it does show that, bare minimum, the knight is cresting them and then selling them to the royalty of each world. The way the knight described the fountains was in a way to persuade both the king and Queen, implying that they know more about them and is actively trying to get darkners to handle the lightners.
the way multiple characters refer to the knight as "It" seems to me to suggest that the Knight is somehow robotic or not entirely a "person" with "identity" necessarily so much as a "force" (as in "force of nature" but not necessarily... nature based). i think this acts as a stronger piece of evidence that the discarded Vessel is the Knight, but that's just me
@@DemiIsNotHere Typically, the way to refer to someone of indeterminate gender is "they", so having the knight be referred to as "it" is quite interesting. "It" implies a lack of personhood.
I was really hoping that rouxls kaard was going to be in A-teir. like just imagine rouxls being revealed as the knight "Thoust worms never suspected a thingeth...NOW THOU LIGHTENERS SHALL FACE THINE ULTIMATE PUZZLE, BEATING THINE ULTIMATE RIVAL...THE ROARING KNIGHTETH!"
Imagine if every chapter had an Rouxls Kaard battle just before the final boss of the main route, where he adds a new fake accent until he’s completely unintelligible.
13:38 this is so interesting and convoluted and amazing and I love it! One thing I do think about this, is that rather than wanting to block the Hyperlink of Determination, Spamton is wanting to unblock it so he can use it to free himself from his strings. That's why he says that Kris wants Hyperlink blocked too. Kris also wants to escape the Determination of the player and cut their own strings.
As more evidence for Alvin, Berdly mentions in chapter 2 working for Ms. Boom. This means that Ms Boom is related to Father Alvin, since Gersons full name is Gerson Boom. That would give Alvin plausibility to be in the library and even create a fountain there, considering his family owns the library aswell.
HERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS GUARANTEED TO [Kill You] If Rouxls Kaard had absorbed a Lightner's soul, which is what he would need in order to be the Knight, then not only would he be able to create Dark Fountains, he would also be able to retain his form in the Light World instead of turning into an inanimate object. As such, it's possible that he used his ability to teleport to get out of Kris' pocket and into the computer lab, created the Dark Fountain, then teleported back into Kris' spacious pant holes. As for why he wasn't discovered with his physical form, is it not possible he would be able to turn back into a card? We see Lancer go from being a card to having a physical body in the Cyber World, so I think it's safe to assume that the opposite can also happen, which would also explain why, if we check the cards in our inventory, we still see him as a normal rules card. Sidenote: when talking about Seam's "him and his strange son" line, while it is possible that he was talking about the Knight and the Knight's son, or the King and the King's son, it's also possible that he meant the Knight and the King's son, which doesn't really matter for most of the candidates, but I felt like pointing it out lol
I got ridiculously excited to see this one's over three hours long. xD Your other theory videos are great, and that Ralsei theory was just phenomenal. Can't wait to enjoy this one! Keep up the wonderful work, Jaru!
The idea of burgerpants being the villain is an interesting one. A compelling detail for me (which is totally subject to denial) is in his cameo appearance in la mulana 2. Of all the characters to make a shopkeeper cameo. They chose burgerpants and then decided to have him hold flowey! So itd be funny if this random cameo coincidentally featured 2 antagonists
I mean Ralsei definitely has some secrets. How did they even leave the Card Kingdom to enter the Cyber one? Can't darkners not leave into the real world? And why didn't HE turn into a statue in Cyber world despite him being their for the whole day of chapter 2? When we come back from the Spamton fight in the normal route, my guy Ralsei literally just walks outside the path into the dark area during the cutscene of them comforting Kris. ALSO, here's a really suspicious detail. Remember in chapter 1 when we are focusing on Susie trying to Jailbreak us? Just as we cut back to Ralsei and Kris, Ralsei tells Kris "...So that's why.. Ok Kris?" And then Susie opens the door. Maybe Ralsei tells us to focus on Susie to divert the attention of the player while he talks to Kris?
I feel like the game is hinting at several different knights, either aware or unaware of the Roaring Knight. We already have confirmation of that with Kris, since they're very obviously not the person responsible for the first two fountains.
I'm not convinced that the library fountain was created during the day. I think soulless Kris is the only knight creating dark worlds every night. All mentions about "the hand" support this claim due to the fact that soulless Kris only seems to use its arm (and legs, but just barely). Kris is also refered to as "it" in game (edit: that's not true).
@@aleksandersabak When in the game is Kris ever referred to as "it"? To my knowledge, Kris uses they/them pronouns. (So do other characters in Undertale & Deltarune)
I think the most likely option in my opinion is that the Knight is going to be a new character rather than an existing one, however I feel like Gerson has got to play a role somehoe, especially considering that his name is an anagram for "Goners" which is probably a coincidence but still
Amazing job! Also I think Rouxls Kaard actually had a way to create the fountain in the library as he has the power to teleport not only himself, but other objects and living creatures as well. This technically allows him to: Teleport to the library with a knife - open the fountain - teleport back - and enter your inventory. And we know for a fact that Ralsei doesn't immidiately know that there is a new fountain as he only appears minutes later > so this would technically be possible. Toby (possibly) hinted that roulxs kaard will return as an enemy in later chapters when he commented on a scrapped RK theme : "I started to come up with an epic song for when you _first_ _battled_ Rouxls" (past tense might imply that he's talking about the C. Round battle). Jevil makes it seem like that he is the most powerful card in the deck, but we know that the RULES CARD is technically above the Joker card as it is not a part of the game but the gamemaker itself. The only reason I can come up with, why Rouxls would do this is because what Ralsei says earlier: The purpose of Darkners is to entertain lightners and Rouxls is literally the Rules card > the one that makes it possible for a game to exist. Even so I don't think rouxls kaard will turn out to be the knight but instead one of the final bosses when he reveals his true powers. Another thing that some people say, is that the knight is not a single entity but instead a group of people working together. This could work but when Toby told us that he had an idea for a Deltarune intro where *the* knight stands at the end, basically proves that this theory is wrong. Your theory is, again, very greatly put together - you explained everything you wanted - you made it easy to follow - you had a valid point - and its something I can actually imagine happening. Thank you for the video, it was about time someone did an ACTUAL analysis (possibly the best one yet).
Personally, I think Papyrus is the Knight, I don't know why but I think it's more likely than any other Undertale character we haven't seen in Deltarune (with the exception of Gaster), I think it makes sense for him to be The Knight because in UT he wants to be a part of the royal guard and (I believe) refers to his clothing as body armour, so he does have armour, not every returning character is the exact same as they were previously so maybe his difference is that he finally gets to be a guard/knight. No clue in terms of motivation but I still think this is possible
I totally agree, hehe. Motivation could just be misguided manipulation from some other more sinister character, he’s been manipulated by Flowey before in UT, and considering Sans mentions how Papyrus is kinda lonely, I think it’d be pretty fitting for it to happen again.
Personally, I think his motivation could be that he thinks he's the good guy without any outside manipulation, creating these worlds and "helping" people because he has no one in town who knows and trusts him to do so. (Besides Sans but it's Sans we're talking about.) The idea that not only is he doing all of this for himself, and is *determined* to continue escalating and creating dark fountains without knowledge of the consequences could set him up as not only a major antagonist, but a threat that won't back down until shown the error of his ways. (Or he's killed but we'll see how the other chapters handle weird routes.)
Rouxls has the ability to teleport, so it is a possibility that he teleported to the computer lab, created the fountain, and then came back before he went into Kris's inventory. Edit: I forgot about darkners turning into items lmao
I'm glad the evidence doesn't point towards Kris being the knight. Firstly, that would be sad. Secondly, it seems too obvious. Kris creating a fountain at the end of chapter 2 seems TOO obvious - like a red herring to make you think they're the knight. The fact they have armor, look like a knight, and can seemingly create Dark fountains, is far too on the nose for Toby Fox's writing style. Perhaps Kris can make dark fountains - but nobody's saying the Roaring Knight is the ONLY one who can make fountains. So even if Kris can do it too, that doesn't automatically _make_ them the Roaring Knight. Maybe there are many knights with this ability, but the Roaring Knight is specifically trying to cause... well, the Roaring.
@@bugjams i think that is overthinking a lot, i dont think the knight or the red soul be evil, and kris actions will somehow explained, like because darkness is accomulating he liberates little by little so it doesnt explode, like when they want a whale to not explodw
Gonna comment before I start watching but… holy hell. Only you can make what is essentially a feature length film on a character we know little to nothing about but still make it a quality watch no matter the circumstances. Better than anything I could do anyway. I’ll come back in after the video ends and give my thoughts on it but you definitely earned my attention, that’s for sure! My guess going in is either Dess, the Mayor, or Alvin. Can’t wait to see what you have in store! (EDIT) Just got finished watching and once again you knocked it out of the park! The fact you looked over nearly every character in the game for a contender is why I subscribed to the channel. You don’t hold out on any details when it comes to even the bare minimum. As for your theory, best take of the Knight I’ve seen yet. Expertly ties into most theories on them while having a fresh Toby-like twist added in and focuses on one of the most underrated characters in Undertale as well. And for your prediction on Chapter 4’s location is also brilliant. I can see it resembling Picture City in the original Rayman, just as a Dark World. Might have to do some concept ideas for what your Chapter 4 might look like (even if I suck at drawing). Looking forward to the next video, whether it be about the Shadow Crystals or another topic. See you then!
When you started talking about Rouxls Kaard I joked to myself going "Haha that's funny, technically his initials would totally be RK" and then you going on to mention it was even funnier also I think sans' willingness to kill a child was less about having no morals or little care for the lives of children, and rather more like that one train hypothetical. The life of one child to free all of monster kind. Since Frisk was, or would've been, the 7th soul after all, it would be an easy decision on his part, especially with the power to do so, so easily
Personally, I think there is a likely fate for Chara in the Deltarune universe. As shown by the library books regarding humans, it is clear that they are present in the Light World, just not in Hometown. Hometown seems to be a majority-monster community, and self-contained. Asriel going outside of Hometown to go to college is definitely a part of the reason he’s a literal “hometown hero,” and him going out into a place where humans (whom monsters may be scared of) reside. Asriel’s college is likely full of humans. In addition, we know that characters in Deltarune have similarities in their relationships to other characters. Asgore is still friends with Rudy, and formerly married to Toriel. Bratty and Catty are complete opposites. In Undertale, Chara became Asriel’s adopted sibling. On that note, I believe Chara is currently Asriel’s roommate.
I actually have a theory it'll be the other way around with the initials RK. Someone will put RK as initials down on a note and the party will assume its rouxxls and leave their guard down when the knight swoops in and kicks their asses 😂
2:22:31 actually, it can also mean: "The remaining king put him(the Knight) and his(the Kings) strange son(Lancer) into power" meaning, it most likely means that the spade king put the kinght and lancer in power. This probably happend because Toby wanted the knight be secret, while also mentioning how the Knight was in power in that kingdom, but then throwing in lancer to not make the sentence stick out too much, that creating a bit confusion, and not realising it, because he knows who the knight is and that that sentence was mentioning them, it can make it harder for him to realise that others might not realise this when analysing it. But that's just a theory, A GAME THEORY-
The "strange son" in that line could grammatically belong to the "remaining king" rather than "him" so saying the knight or another character is "him" there is a reasonable reading of the line
I actually think Asgore is a strong contender for the Knight. It's implied that while he was in the service he had something to do with December's disappearance, and likely is what drove him and Toriel apart due to Kris, Ariel, and Noelle's friendship. I believe he would definitely be desperate enough to correct this mistake and try to bring her back by any means, even if it endangers others, especially if it means possibly getting his old life back.
Ngl, I also couldnt help but notice Rules (its pronounced Rouxls) Card's connection with the Knight, and how unusual he is. While it's obvious he isnt the Knight, I feel he might be one of those patented goofy Toby characters who are revealed to have a surprisingly deep connection with the story/lore. Also, great video. The Hammer theory certainly has a lot of potential, esp since Gerson is the first person to mention Delta Rune. We know that Deltarune was a concept before Undertale, so Toby most likely have decided by then who the knight is, so it might be a hint of sorts 👀
A few minor details I would like to add to the Rouxls theory. In Chapter 2 on pacifist and neutral routes, Rouxls assists you in defeating Queen, by supplying the thrash machine. However, in the Snowgrave route, he statuifies himself in front of the cafe that has some of the most effective healing items and armor you can get. Because he recognizes that using a shop is one of the best ways you can get the right equipment to beat a boss. Since the Snowgrave route actively goes against his plan (Putting the insane Spamton in charge instead of Queen) he’ll try to stop you in whatever small way he can. The second detail also shows he has at least some knowledge of divine higher beings and potentially serving them….Why? Because his catchphrase he has used in both of the chapters Rouxls has appeared in has been in reference to a higher being smiting a gender less creature. This catchphrase is of course… GOD DAMN IT
I have a feeling the Roaring Knight is a pawn of a grander antagonist’s scheme. And I think its possibly Gaster’s. If the Knight is being used by Gaster then maybe he’s making these dark worlds to aid in Gaster’s dark experiments. Or if we take the whole “Gaster fell into his own creation and was shattered across space and time” thing into consideration, then maybe these dark worlds are being made to put Gaster back together again, perhaps through the shadow crystals. Gaster seems to have some type of connection with eggs which reminds me of Humpty Dumpty, someone who FELL and was SCATTERED across the floor. Im realizing that this shifted more towards Gaster than the Knight…but I still think the Knight being a pawn is a good theory.
Sounds like something Toby would do. Asgore being the fake antagonist while Flowey was slowly built up as the main villain and revealed towards the end would be paralleled well with the knight being the fake antagonist and Gaster being built up as the villain and revealed towards the end
@@hasargel it is. They are alternate universes of each other with shared events like “Not-quite-Asriel” doing the tutorial, Toriel and Asgore Divorce. Etc. And callbacks like being able to recognise sans, and some DR dialogue that directly references dialogue in UT like “guess you’ll never find a working jukebox” calling back to a broken jukebox in UT
While it is highly unlikely that Alphys is the Knight, the mental image of Alphys jumping out the window, mad dashing to the library, creating a fountain and breathlessly cycling her way out on a bike, crashing, is quite funny
Agreed. xD
"OK OK I **DARK FOUNTAIN NOISES*NEED TO GO TO THE CLASSROOM NOW*bell noises* OH GOD UHH UMM
Noelle: Ms, Alphys. Why were you so late today?.
UHH emm so basically i uh woke up late thats why yeah thats why
Noelle: Oh, Okay!."
this is unfunny
@@박희진-x3f lol
Also the mental image of Alphys in a knight's armor
AND THAT'S WHY SHE BROKE HER BIKE!!! oh that makes so much sense now
The fact that Burgerpants has an uncomfortable level of evidence tying him to Spamton is... surreal.
Idea: Burgerpants wrote a rant on one of the computers and sent it as an email, and then someone printed those emails out, afterwards when the cyber world was created burgerpant’s rant influenced his personality
That would explain spamton being a cat
@@AnimationJ True, True
@@Skywarslord But why would he write it on one if the computers if he has a phone??? One word: Gaster.
Maybe he entering dark world when he have free time and becomes spamtom?
Rouxls Kaard's motivation to serve under an evil tyrant is almost the exact same motivation the illumination minions have.
Rouxls Kaard definitely would've served under Hitler and I don't know what to do with this information
@@kreatona4219 same with the minions
wait hitler might not let them on his side
@@zixvirzjghamn737 at least they have the lore reason of being in Antarctica during WWII
He wanted to be the ULTIMATE MINION after all
Temmie isn't very likely to be the knight, but considering what temmie is it feels weird that there is any evidence at all. Also temmie being the knight would be hilarious
hoI Kwis, did u know? I`m the Knite! U kno, the Rwoawing Knite! I cweated all dem dawk fountains! Awent they cool?
Im da nite, Musst conkwer da worLd, Krisps! Im gona ekspand tem empyr!
@@neek--stranslate button does something useful on an english sentence???
HOI I’M night! anD Thais is me frIend Egg
@@cars0mega Then tem become
THEN TEM BECOME
Ha, as if you could even invision it
With Queen saying “Is this not a power that all lighteners possess” I can’t help but think of how many times Susie’s will allows her to do whatever choices she wants regardless of the players decision.
Plot twist
Susie is the Knight
@@animated_finn If you check her stats, it actually calls her a Dark Knight.
To be fair though, Berdly calls himself a "knight in glow in the dark armor" so maybe that doesn't mean anything
It would also be worth noting that Queen, as stated herself, does not have all information. She might be wrong on all lighteners possessing Determination. We technically haven't seen any other monsters using it thus far.
2:45:48
@@usermcskull4713 or berdly is the knight (real)
"You could spend a whole video analyzing Spamton's weird dialogue."
Yes. Yes, PLEASE. You have no idea how much I would pay for something like that.
I'll add it to the list of potential future videos! x)
Spamtom comes across as having his mind hacked by someone else
Yes, we need another video about spamton
Because most of them are acctually good theories
yes pleeeease a Jaru Spamton video would be awesome
@@JaruJaruJ *King Crimson time skips effect*
“in terms of opportunity, Crystal is literally dead so that’s a fairly strong alibi.” why do I feel this has been used in court.
You'd be surprised how idiotic some court cases can sound.
Some people make Ace Attorney videos where they put REAL things ACTUALLY fricking said in court in the dialogue of the characters and it's hilarious.
@@kirby-impostor5594 "was the victim already dead before they were killed?"
Asriel was also dead and still managed to be the antagonist in the last game, that argument does not hold up.
@@maxspecs A flower powered by determination used in the amalgamate experiments. Since there were no amalgamate experiments in Deltarune, there is currently no avenue for people to be brought back from the dead.
this sounds like an ace attorney testimony.
I think the "long arm" thing is a metaphor about the power of the Roaring Knight.
At 8:58 it mentions a long hand in what I can only assume is a literal context.
@@fmh_bazingathe "long hand" or "long arm" of something powerful isn't an uncommon phrase either, so I don't think it makes much sense to completely write off it just being a metaphor. Maybe if it was exactly the same in the Japanese text too (Toby writes that too, and a lot of metaphors do not translate very well, and he knows that)
Or Queen said it was long because for darkners, a lightner arm would be massive in normal situations.
@@fmh_bazinga does the law have a literal 'long arm'?
Ad mortem Inimicus
*_"Starwalker joining (the team) makes sense because he's the original Starwalker"_*
The truest words have never been spoken before.
He is the original Starwalker
Yes he is the original starwalker
These replies are pissing me off
@@mister_meme3608 These replies
are pissing me off.
@@amistake3010 i am the original starwalker
If Gaster is “The Man” then the eggs have a different layer of meaning I think. If you look at a windings translator chart, the letter “E” is pointing right and the letter “G” is pointing down. E-G-G is Right, Down, Down which reflects the movement of a Knight chess piece (:!
you transcended so hard i couldn't even think of a funny joke to make here
Ayo holy shit
While I've known this for some time, I agree completely.
Gaster is either the knight or he is going to be a protagonist. Too big not to appear, and just like papyrus has had some foreshadowing.
If we consider the patterns of where he appears, he appears in the second area of the dark world.
Since we start in the living room for chapter 3, we were on that sofa there, we will either encounter him in the kitchen, or in another room.
Kitchens are for cooking, and it's an egg he gives us, so...
But then why didn't we encounter him in queen's mansion with her kitchen, and why did we get teleported back to the bake sale in the forest.
Last of all, the fountain was created right next to us.
Why?
What will stop us from walking for 5 minutes in the first and final area and defeating Mike or whoever is there to fight us?
Roulx kaard. Roulx will appear and I feel he will try and stop us even more.
So yeah sorry about that rant but that's my opinion. What's your opinions?
Probably purely a coincidence
@@mememan3424 definitely not.
Is it a coincidence gaster's theme is everywhere in the undertale ost?
A coincidence sans uses gaster blasters?
I have one major issue with this video.
In the Temmie section, you said "given her flaws" however, Temmie has no flaws.
Other than that, pretty good video.
Damn, got me there. xD
With the power of eg and tem flakes, it adds up for no flaws.
Tem is perfect
@@willowsparks8965 TEM is *_ULTiMatE!!! LIForM_** SoNIc!!*
Tem. Deciv uuuuu with stupd spech to lul yu int flse sens o secuity.
I just realized, that makes so much more sense how Spamton and Mettaton's NEO forms are so similar. Mettaton left his NEO design on a computer in the computer lab, and it was adopted into the dark world as the derelict machine in the basement. Never realized that was a real possibility
And that version of NEO doesn't get one-shotted because expectations > final product
Seriously if we had Mettaton NEO like that in Undertale, it would be similar (but harder without big shots)
You guys didn’t realize that? Not trying to be rude but I just thought most people noticed that
@@JokieJesterE I just thought it was Toby remaking the NEO body for some fun, didn't think about it going that deep
@@Malloooowactually, the reason Mettaton NEO is so weak is because Frisk is too strong for even the NEO armor
@@Malloooowwdym expectations > final products, i know what you mean by it but im confused how it's related
Now that you lay Roulxs bare like that, I’m convinced he’ll come right before the knight, proclaim he’s the knight, and maybe he’ll fight you and then get pushed to the side by the actual knight.
I could totally see that happening. xD
I could see Roulxs kard pulling a sonic quote and calling the roaring knight a copy. A carbon clone. A faker
Man know I'm gonna be disappointed if that doesn't happen
This is my theory as to what will happen in the future
You already know he's gonna show up out of nowhere towards the end of chapter 5 and proclaim himself as the knight while his theme song is playing hahahah
« And worst of all… he could be any one of us! » has never been such an accurate quote for the situation with the Roaring Knight.
"He could be you... he could be me... he could even b-"
HE COULD BE IN THIS VERY ROOM
@@rjrowley3887 right behind you...
And now he's here to 'befriend' us
@Scott Alleman Understandable have a nice day
Alphys & Toriel should be in F tier and here's why: After we return to the light world to collect toys we can encounter Alphys talking to Toriel, so It's impossible for them to be in the Librarby before Noelle & Berdly.
True!
Undyne's spear could be broken into two parts. The blade and the stick. The blade could be mistooken for a knife of some sort. Undyne is strong enough to break alot of things or just mortally hurt someone. Not kill. She's like a jaw breaker
@floofy you mean jaw breaker breaker? Because a jaw breaker is hard, Undyne is strong.
@@hairydoorscontent9266 i mean as in she's tough as a rock. One of the strongest monsters even that is open about being tough
@@JaruJaruJ mistooken
Actually everyone is the knight, and they're all just crowding into the closet preparing to make the library dark fountain. They're just really really fast, which is how they all got there in time. Kris is actually the only one who isn't the knight, and everyone else is totally in on it.
It’s just a town wide April fools prank
this is how some of these theories feel
Murder on the Orient Express be like:
The idea of an Ice-E suit becoming a suit of armor is just hilarious to me. The idea that the Knight is just running around in an Ice-E suit, making fountains and introducing themselves to King and Queen is just comedy gold.
Wait... there's an Ice-E letter puzzle in cyber field, perhaps Queen made it in the image of the Knight? And there's the weird Ice-E pillow thing Susie makes you steal, perhaps Queen put it in Noelles room because it looked like the Knight.
NO. ICE-E CANT BE RELEVANT TO THE PLOT. NO. NO. NO.
But... But Ice-E...
@@LilithBlahaj I already watched it long before commenting
I am always 2 steps ahead.
@@thepizzaman6310 I knew you did before I said and before you replied, I am 3 steps ahead
@@LilithBlahaj I knew you watched it before I replied to your reply about replying to this comment
I am 4 steps ahead.
@@thepizzaman6310 the only way to beat his power is to be -5 steps ahead and never watching or knowing about the video while also not replying at all
When I saw bratty I realised he’s REALLY looking at every option no matter how funny and dumb it would be, excellent video by the way
Thanks!
@@JaruJaruJ but have you considered that the angel is also the night, or are these two separate entities?
This has huge plot implications depending on which version this video is based on.
After all, the Gaster entry says "three heros appear at world's edge to (banish the angel's heaven)" but all we've seen from chapters 2/7 is closing dark fountains...
But the angel has been deeply important symbolism since way back in Undertale, also tied deeply to the symbol that is/was the Delta Rune. implying that Toby's idea of the angel far predates the night. Since he envisioned Deltarune and had it in mind even before making Undertale, this tells me that the angel will somehow be more important/influential than the Knight at some point in the story. It is with out question, Chekhov's gun.
@@jtmmcg8134 You do make a really good point there.
Dude you should’ve realized that the moment he started talking about bs nonsense like “[Hyperlink Blocked]” meaning an advanced multilevel wordplay referencing specifically Oxford Dictionary’s definitions of the two words in hyperlink instead of just one of his hundreds of nonsensical ramblings referencing stuff online in the 90s like square brackets means
@@devlinmcguire7543 thanks for saying so
Mr. Society being the Knight would be funny because “The Knight was Society all along”
lmao
Wow. We really do live in a society!
Maybe the Roaring Knight was the friends we made along the way, after all
The high five hand in the acid room is the knight. It has a ‘long hand’ and wields a ‘blade’ - Fingernails. Also it makes sense the Spade King likes them because it is the best thing in deltarune.
This is the greatest deltarune theory of all time
Thatz not ze knighte, that's the Titans sleeping under the acid right there
That's the Giant Freaking Robot actually
The idea that Rouxls Kaard has such a combination of being well supported and *objectively* funny that I will now adopt the headcanon that Rouxls is the knight
Rouxls is also the secret fifth king and he put the Spade King and son in charge as figureheads of his movement in chapter 1
Rouxls is also a valid first name for trolls in Homestuck and later on we see that Lancer (another valid troll name) has a bucket with a spade on it. So clearly the big bad that he's trying to revive is ACTUALLY LE (he was already here :^y )
@@bandito6678 Sans was the secret final boss in Undertale and apart of the cool factor was how his joke attributes were retroactively made threatening such as teleporting and breaking the fourth wall.
@yek requeem can’t wait for Rouxls Kaard 2nd last boss
my issue with Jaru's video: darkners cant create the dark fountain of the world they live in. darkners are turned into inanimate objects when no fountain is present, and thus do not EXIST until AFTER the fountain is made.
@@dynastylobster8957 honestly that's an entire plothole with the game.
Like how would Queen know King if they're darkners from seperate dark worlds?
Hearing the absolute frustration over how well rouxls fits as the knight was such a highlight lmao
absolutely love how rouxls makes a genuinely compelling candidate for the knight due to his characterization and motivations but has to be basically ruled out because of the technicality of him not being able to have made the cyber world fountain
june 19th 2023 edit: still absolutely love this and still absolutely think about it occasionally but ive come back with new amazing insight: this whole candidacy invalidation snafu basically goes perfectly with his character. he would WANT to be the knight, or make people think he was, he would drum up all this bravado and try to sound dramatic and offer seemingly sound explanations, gloating to the delta warriors about how HE was the knight, HE was the one pulling the strings all along behind the scenes, how they were but mere wormes squirming betwixt his cunning digits, but the actual knight would just be standing in the room with them and ralsei would have to point that out to rouxls and he'd just say GOD DAMMIT
he's been 'rouxled' out
@@killjoy_ao4653 okay that was really clever
@@killjoy_ao4653 beat me to it lmao
@@menacetosociety471 really clover*
@@killjoy_ao4653 ahh XD
I love how RK's presentation is with a slowed-down epic version of his theme in his puzzles, and then there's a whole analysis of how he has so much evidence on how he's the Knight. Man, he's just that cool.
Yep. xD
Suppose that Asgore was fired from being the Police Chief due to Dess going missing due to his negligence, in some way. He somehow figures out that she fell into a Dark World, and is going around opening Dark Worlds in places she once frequented, in an attempt to find her.
If you consider where he made the fountains, a locked and unused classroom is out of the way enough that it's less likely for a student to wander in by accident, and they mention a few times in chapter two that the internet is down in the whole town right now, making the computer lab another place that is unlikely for someone to be going.
this is an interesting comment and honestly, even though he was the antagonist of the previous game, i’d love to see asgore incidentally being the knight (or being mistaked as the knight), opening dark worlds everywhere and trying to find dess. it’s entirely within his character to try and save a child from an uncertain fate and what’s to say he doesn’t know what the dark worlds are? personally, i’m biased because i want to see more characterization for this version of asgore
Good point! The Roaring Knight is picking unlikely places for people to go. The Roaring Knight A: Doesn't want anybody to get hurt in the Dark Worlds, or B: Doesn't want anybody to find and put a stop to what he's doing. Also the comment above you suggests that since there was a mysterious door to Asgore's Flower Shop on the downstairs (I'm gonna do an A/B thing again) A: People are unlikely to go downstairs, and B: Not many people come to the flower shop. So it's the perfect place.
Not to mention, that could be why Kris opened the dark fountain in their house. Not specifically to find Dess, but just to let the truth be known by SOMEBODY. They rip the soul out, prowl around, and slash Toriel’s tires, practically guaranteeing that the police get called, only for them to arrive in a dark world? And besides, Undyne is the only person you have the OPTION to tell about dark worlds, but she doesn’t take Kris seriously. What better way to convince her, than showing her that “hey, this is a real thing, one of my friends is trapped inside one of these.”
For the last time. He RESIGNED.
but still interesting theory
Even though his opportunity is weak, there’s a scary amount of evidence for Rouxls Kaard. One that you missed is that the sound effect for Kris creating the dark fountain at the end of Chapter 2 is actually RK’s teleportation sound slowed down.
dangit
WE DONT NEED ANYMORE OMFG TOBY WHYYYYY
Weren’t darkners unable to create dark fountains?
@@almisaur896 he's a rules card. He makes the rules.
@@edwardbo4666 Like the giant rat?
I could see a scenario where when Toby Fox was making Rouxls Kaard, he noticed the same initials for Rouxls Kaard and the Roaring Knight and decided to have a little fun with us and throw some red herrings just to make us either confused or horrified that he's hinting that Rouxls Kaard is the knight
I think Ralsei is even more unlikely to be the knight because when the queen forgot about him when she captured the other 4 in ch 2, she kind of just went "oh. It's you. Idk what to do with you lol run along" which I HIGHLY doubt would have been her reaction to being able to talk to the knight alone
Remember, the only video of the Cyber World's creation had so much fog, that it onscured the Knight's face. Also, it's Kris. We literally watch Kris plunge his blade into the earth, creating Chapter 3's dark world, the same way Queen described the creation of the Cyber World.
@@Weston-s4k yeah but also kris is a tiny weak armed baby midget
@@Weston-s4k Yes... Because she *literally* told the cast (including Kris) how to open a Dark Fountain. If they did it without Queen saying how to do it then it would hold any weight, but they didn't, or at least we have no idea if they did.
one small detail that i feel the need to point out. when Kris opens the dark world at the end of chapter two we see smoke fill the room and kris walks back over to the sofa. this shows that when a dark fountain is made it takes a moment to form. it is entirely within reason to believe that you could open a dark fountain in a room and then leave the room before the dark world forms. so you could conceivably make a dark world without ever entering it.
It does seem like the knight made contact with the antagonists of each chapter, though. Or at least with the spade king, its less likely for the quuen
@@fgvcosmic6752
based on the into chapter 2 gave, its easy to manipulate the dark world using the items they represent and just plucking them and even implies that the worlds “exist” before the fountains are created.
so its very easy to say that the knight could just, put all the king cards in a box and leave the king of spades and jack of spades cards as the only rulers.
From what we know for an absolute fact is that in the upcoming chapter 3. We will definitely know for sure who the knight is.
Because Kris created the dark world for chapter 3.
And if anyone in that new dark world mentions a knight giving them plans and acting on its behalf we would know without a doubt if it is infact Kris or someone else in the general vicinity.
@@MahNamJeff plus, kris could’ve done things before the player took control.
@@HydrogenBaII thats very true, Its mentioned by Catti that they studied occult and has a fear of the bunker.
it could very well be the case that kris found out about dark worlds through some means relating to that.
but im just making stretches based on knowledge from less than 1/3rd of the game.
I think "long hand" is being taken too literally. "Long arm of the law" is a common enough saying that doesn't imply the law has an actually long arm. It instead is used to demonstrate that the law is hard to escape, as if it had a long reach. I think long hand could be similarly not literal. perhaps the knight has a long reach.
JaruJaru confidently taking obvious turns of phrase and making them cornerstones of wild theory speculation is part of the charm of these videos!
@@mintw4241 well when you have to justify any possible way catti could be the knight you kinda gotta stretch
@@JaxontheOkaynote: you do not have to do that
This encapsulates a huge problem I have with deltarune theory videos. Taking everything too literally and justifying decision making with the classic “it’s Toby Fox he’d trick us for no reason” is kinda lame
@ilikegoblo4665 Toby doesn't even do that very much. It's not fair to assume that he'd outright lie about things. There aren't many outright lies in Undertale, for instance - when that game wants to misdirect the player, it goes for misleading insinuation instead. IE, the intro, which doesn't explicitly state "you are playing as The Fallen Child" but is clearly implying that, or the real meaning of EXP and LV. You were never lied to about what these words meant, but you would naturally assume that they mean the same thing they do in every other RPG. I expect Deltarune having "only one ending" will be the same thing - at the end, it will technically be true, but in such a very different way than you would normally expect.
Jaru, I just wanted to let you know - I can't imagine how much effort this took, and in case you needed to hear, it was absolutely worth it. You call it "disgustingly long", but your voice and writing style is so much fun to listen to for long, detailed theories like this, I was thoroughly entertained for every last second of it.
Thank you so much! It really means a lot to me to hear that. I was really anxious about this one, what with its length and my voice wabbling due to how long the recording session was, but to hear you and others still enjoyed it is wonderful! Thank you for the comment and the very kind words!
@@JaruJaruJ While I'm here, I think your final theory is VERY compelling; even without your theatrics I was easily able to imagine the events playing out as you described them, especially a dramatic reveal mirroring the one we got for Ralsei. At the very least, I really do think the Knight being a character that isn't technically the same person as a pre-existing character, but still having a distinct connection to one, is the most interesting conceptual idea for them.
Regarding Oberon Smog, I just feel like pointing out - Smaug is the name of the villain in The Hobbit, the first book Tolkein published that would eventually give rise to The Lord of the Rings, and Gerson's book is clearly a direct reference to Tolkein's work, down to its origin as stories he would read to his children.
Facts
Biga same. I tried to watch this video to fall asleep, but i was so entertained i stayed awake lmao.
@@neutralclownpose3928 SAAMMEEEEE
The line "Starwalker joining makes sense, because he's the original starwalker" has the same energy as "'Mr. Nimbus controls the police.' 'How?!' 'Because he's Mr. Nimbus!'"
“It’s Mr. Nimbus, he controls the police!”
Mr. Nimbus: “I control them.”
If I remember correctly, Toby made a Twitter(?) post that Deltarune was originally going to have an animated intro sequence, and at the end, the Delta Warriors were ascending a tall staircase, surrounded by the main enemies of each chapter, and at the top was the Knight in front of a white door. The "white door" INSTANTLY made me think of the Mystery Man door in Waterfall, and of course, people theorize that the Mystery Man is Gaster. My guess is that even if the MM isn't Gaster, the Knight si whoever the Mystery Man is, or his Deltarune counterpart, or whatever you wish to think.
Granted, Toby definitely could have changed the story since then, as he scrapped the animated into entirely, or I could be misremembering ENTIRELY, but it's something I think about a lot when discussion of "who is the Knight" is brought up (and also something I hardly hear ANYONE talk about).
Wait, no, it wasn't a Twitter post, I don't think. I'm pretty sure it was in the Undertale 6th Anniversary stream.
Regardless, the fact that NOBODY talks about it makes me thing I got something wrong.
Notably, that intro seems to rule out Kris, Susie and Ralsei, and all the prior bosses of being the knight.
Like you can't show the Delta Warriors approach the knight..and than have one of them be the knight
@@usermcskull4713 To be fair, it could be less literal representation of what's going on and show two closely connected people like say, Kris and the player due to technically being separate entities, but it most definitely doesn't make sense for it to literally just... be Kris... twice?? Like, what?
What if at some point in the game you lose control of Kris, maybe to themselves or Gaster, and you get to control the actual character you created at the beginning of Chapter 1 to fight Kris? It's a really weird reach but Toby pulled weirder stuff lmao.
do you have the link to the video?
SO THAT'S WHY SPAMPTON'S A CAT!! He's connected to Burgerpants, that's such a cool connection! This video, as always, is super well-made and thought-out! Thanks for all of your hard work, your videos are my absolute favorite!!
Thank you for the kind words and the support! :D
I've read sPAMPton and immediately thought about him trying to sell pampers and i can't unsee it now help xD
@@Valetravelgames DOES YOUR TODDLER SUFFER FROM [Uncontrollable Excretions]?? IS YOUR BED ALWAYS [Damp and Smelly]? BUY SOME [Pampers] YOU FILTHY [Loving Parent]!!! FOR THE LOW, LOW PRICE OF [19.97] KROMER PER MONTH! [baby not included]
Spamton is NOT a cat, and he is only cat when he is neo. But the cat element is only on string attacks on tasque and tasque manager and since spamton neo is being held by strings or wires he is not a cat, it only says because the element is cat but it may be string
Reading this comment with no context whatsoever sure is something
Love the fact that, since the dog is a representation of the creator Toby, you didn't even try to make arguments for or against it being the knight. And honestly, how can you? They are literally backwards God (dog, hehe) in this world.
Also, everything lines up. A dog’s paw has four toe beans (fingers? Maybe a stretch) also he’s the only character we see inside of the computer lab. He also is seen in the dark world causing a traffic jam. The timeline is too perfect, he could stay in the computer lab until the next day, hide in the closet, create the fountain, leave, and cause the traffic jam in hometown as Undyne claims.
@@noizepusher7594 well no, he is in The dark world
The only thing I feel doesn't line up is the "large person" part, but you could interpet that bit of dialogue as just as being just a reference to Berdly in Snowgrave
@@usermcskull4713 just because it CAN hold a large person doesn’t mean it does
@@noizepusher7594 good theory although I'm not sure if it's ok to not consider that the annoying dog is there for convinience, like "how do i get the player to that specific situation? Oh of course! An annoying dog did something that conviniently lets the story writing be simpler and flexible!"
Now something like that obviously can't be cannon, but, saving was cannon in Undertale right?
But if the dog is a solution to make the plot easier to write, it can't be the plot itself, or is it?
I’ve been reading a lot of ideas about the knight lately and it seems that many theories are based on the idea that Toby wants us to find out who the knight is. Hints such as “a large person could easily fit inside the closet” or that the queen described the knight as having a “long hand” have many theorists using the process of elimination in order to debunk this mystery.
But if I were Toby Fox, the last thing I would want is for my fan base to discover who the knight is. In fact I would even put out misleading tidbits of information such as the quotes above to throw off the players’ trail. Wouldn’t it make more sense for the knight to be wearing a disguise that can conceal their identity? All it would take is for the knight to put on something like… a large suit of armor before going around opening dark fountains and their identity would be safely kept a secret. Then, even if the knight were to be revealed in chapters 3-5 their true identity could be kept a secret until the final two chapters. And if someone were to own a disguise such as a suit of armor in deltarune, another lightner (the knight) could’ve stolen it from them.
I’m getting more and more convinced that the knight is going to be kept a strict mystery until the true reveal. And once revealed, their motives, identity, and backstory will be a complete surprise. The only thing I can guess about the knight is that their eventual reveal will be unsettling, similarly to how Asriel slowly turned around at the end of Undertale’s pacifist route only to turn into his God of Hyperdeath form.
If you can't see a twist coming, it's probably poorly written. Toby has DEFINITELY seeded the knights identity by now but I do agree that a lot of the evidence is probably a red herring and the knight will probably be on screen in chapter 3-5 but won't be revealed until chapter 6. I also don't think the Knight is the end game perse so the reveal may happen sooner, who knows?
There's also the fact they could probably just alter their appearance. The lightners all change appearance when they enter the dark world, Kris' skin tone even changes. I don't think it's a far stretch to assume someone who has more knowledge about how this world works could have more control over how they look. They don't even need to go in wearing armour - Kris' clothes turn into armour when they enter the dark world, so why would it be any different for the knight?
Lmao the armor thing reminds me of Undyne.
i am just wondering how gaster will be connected in all of this
@@callmequaz9052Yeah agreed on the appearance front. I don’t know why there would be a character we’ve met thus far obviously resembling a Knight who then is revealed to be the Knight. We’ve either never met them or we have and they’ve been in disguise, but regardless they are clearly concealing their identity with intention.
Jaru be like: This character is dead, Which is a good alibi, BUT HEAR ME OUT
LMAO
One thing I want to bring up is the whole "Does or does not have armor" thing. All the Lightner characters we've seen in the Dark World go through a very extensive outfit change upon entering the Dark World. Both Kris and Berdly gain armor as part of their Dark World outfit despite neither wearing anything even resembling armor in the Light World.
While you could argue some characters fit into a suit of armor better than others, there is really nothing to suggest a correlation between armor in the Light World and armor in the Dark World. I mean, if we didn't know of the Undertale version of Asgore, would you think of him in a suit of armor?
Another reason Asriel, can be in my opinion so I’d put him higher I’m thinking of him as a dark knight, and gaster can be the main villain so we save Asriel, and he becomes a Paladin, and wants to put a end to the man he blindly followed who could also make Asriel, twisted in his good hearted self, plus when he’s in hyperdeath he actually has armor, but i could see a more elaborate design for it in Deltarune.
Another thing, hands. Do they have to be literal hands? Or does it have to be literally a knife? I think anything with a piercing thing could work, like a lance or a beak
@@LostSoulSilver
Beardy literally uses his halberd.
It seems that the lightners armor adapts to the first dark world they enter, but that is a bit far fetched. My only supporting evidence is Kris and Susie more "medieval" clothes and Burghley "tech" armor, each sort of representing the dark world they went.
@@ThePunchlineIs That pattern doesn't really hold up since Noelle is wearing a hooded fantasy cleric robe... Unless this wasn't Noelle's first Dark World???
That last part was a joke at first, but now that I think about it... Noelle does talk about how they (Noelle, Kris, Dess and Azzy) used to go exploring together. It is heavily implied that both Dess and Asriel will have a role to play in the plot, considering the emphasis on Asriel's return from college, and the mystery of Dess's disappearance. Maybe the four of them somehow stumbled into a Dark World back then?
Pretty far fetched and with no evidence, but it is something to think about, so thanks for bringing it up.
One thing about the vessel: it is apparently saved within the files. Even if you start on chapter 2, there is a default vessel in the code.
Imagine if the vessel were the knight
@@justlaying MY VESSEL IS BALD HAHA, I CAN IMAGINE IF THE VESSEL IS THE KNIGHT
@@suikaa. The light reflecting off their head would probably blind the delta warriors
Strangely enough, the default vessel is the first option for every choice except for its "gift", which is "Mind" for some reason
@@danielle5160 In other words, a vessel with thought and its own mind, huh?
Gosh, it's crazy to see that people are calling cringe on practically everything these days. Like, how antisocial/boring one has to be in order to get annoyed with an excited human being who is obviously happy to share his incredible revelations about unpredictable plot twists... x) There's really nothing wrong with your way of delivering info. I really enjoy your "dramatic" tone, to be honest. If anything, it only demonstrates your sincere interest and genuine desire to figure out hidden plot twists, which is cool!
Thank you very much for the incredibly kind words. x)
Based on other theories I've read, I believe that Dess is trapped in a dark world (Noelle repeatedly searches up her name she doesn't have a gravestone, and she is likely the one calling for help in the files and likely sings Don't Forget), the case of her disappearance is why Asgore lost his job, and Asgore is creating the dark fountains to find her. This, as well as his actions in Undertale, explains why he is desperate enough to put the school's children in danger.
I think she's probably trapped in The Bunker, it seems like an endgame Dark World so it'll probably be the last one.
Maybe the story of The Knight and The Angel could wrap up in chapter 6, whereas chapter 7 could be an epilogue chapter dedicated to Dess.
...i have no evidence for this second prediction, i just think it'd be neat if the DELTA WARRIORS' greatest challenge wasn't stopping The ROARING or the ANGEL'S HEAVEN, but instead finding their friend's sister.
Trapped all alone...in the dark
What if Dess' mother is the knight? It would make sense with your theory and would also explain why she's so busy!
dess is laura shigihara confirmed
I’m with you in the dark :)
You have to wonder, though... Can you actually live in one for long periods of time? How literal was it when Susie said she felt like nothing she ate mattered? Since you can get Berdly fucked up in the real world, could you like, live off of revitalizing spells or something? Wait, no, I got it! Maybe she's been eating food-based Darkners! Alright I don't think we have to theorize any more after that.
For your theory: Gerson was a good friend of Dreemurr family in UT universe. Asgore's flower shop has a mysterious dooron second floor and an extra side entrance on first. That could be his next target - Flower King shop.
Good point! I hadn't heard that line of logic before!
If that happens props to you for figuring it out
Here before you're theory is Proven right (Cause it sounds very very convincing!)
Just gonna say I was here if this is right
Probably in chapter 4, Kris stabbed the floor and made a probably TV themed dark world
I live for this level of insane dedication. Entertaining every idea just to reach a conclusion is the most brute-force, hilarious methodology.
Glad you enjoyed it! xD
Yeah, absolutely thorough
I’m super late, but you’ve genuinely convinced me that it’s Father Alvin.
Noice. xD
i really want to know the japanese translation of “the remaining king put him and his strange son into power” as japanese both doesn’t have confusing third person pronouns, and DOES have confusing third person pronouns, as the pronouns are usually omitted in their entirety. perhaps for these two reasons, the japanese translation of this line MIGHT provide further clarity as to who’s being referred to.
Yeah, a good thing to think about when it comes to dialogue is that Toby writes the Japanese dialogue himself, so it could potentially clear up some oddities like that
Something to add to the part about Rouxls Kaard, I don’t have it but I remember seeing that someone datamined some scrapped attacks from Rouxls. The interesting thing about these attacks was that they were impossible to dodge. Either Rouxls is going to get a fight with a special mechanic in the future that will let you dodge those prototype attacks, or he is going to fight you with significant force.
Maybe like Sans, he shows his true powers after enough snowgrave shannanigans?
Could be!
@@JaruJaruJ Rouxls Kaard does seem related to the Roaring Knight in any circumstance. He could actually be the Knight's trusted champion to cross your path and protect the realms the Knight created. I think chapter 2 is a result of the Roaring Knight's unawareness of how much power Rouxls Kaard can carry with him in the realms he didn't belong in. Maybe when you were on the Snow Grave route, Rouxls Kaard tried to put himself on full power because he was watching you from the shadows and saw how strong you were getting, only to be turned into stone.
The implication of Rouxls Kaard holding off his true power may imply that Rouxls Kaard didn't try to show off his true power in chapter 1 because he didn't originate in that world either.
He IS the rules card, having a fight that changes the mechanics of the game drastically is perfectly reasonable.
@@JaruJaruJ hey, secret bosses.
Jevil and spamton neo are discarded, and I think the game being made will be discarded, the one asriel was amking with rainbow winged final boss.
Of course if we consider more discarded stuff then me might gain the thought of the egg we put in asgores fridge, and lastly the vessel.
Do you agree with my theory that these will come back to kill us?
An interesting thing about Shawm is that, based on his dialogue, he knows who the next secret boss will be... BEFORE Kris creates that Dark Fountain. HOW?! Roaring Knight he is not, but clearly something deeper than "learned shopkeep" is going on here!
Indeed! I suspect it has to do with the Shadow Crystals/Shadow Mantle that he mentions, but I'll get to that in my next video. x)
It is funny to imagine he was just like "I know this mf is gonna make one in their house I can tell" though
Mabye the dark worlds already exist and the dark fountains are a door to them
@@saffron584 That is 100% true, since spamton for example knows about jevil, and queen and king seems to know each other, and that would be impossible if the worlds didn't exist
@@RaphielShiraha64 yeah the dark worlds literally have pasts that cant happen in 1 day so id say its pretty obvious
Could totally see burger pants stabbing the ground with a knife in "determined" fury and accidentally creating a dark world.
Which if we expand on, could lead to BP creating *more* dark worlds because hey, he's actually somewhat of a big shot in them/trampling through a dark world is therapeutic and calming, like those "pay to destroy stuff" businesses.
I'm a little late for this, but one thing I wanna add to the RK is Roaring Knight part is that the sound effect when Kris creates a fountain is Rouxls' teleportation sound slowed down. Could be just Toby reusing sound effects to make things easier tho, with him you can never know
Guys, don't you realise it? The annoying dog is the knight! Since he was in the library in chapter 1, he could have easily hid in the closet, and since he is so small, he created the cyber world dark fountain without anybody noticing!
We do see him in cyberspace and it did absorb the relic in Undertale. Who knows what kind of power it has, and creating fountains could easily just be by the dog's nature, like digging a hole.
I know this is a joke, but I genuinely hate this idea lol. One of my favorite things about Deltarune is that it's not Homestuck, Toby Foxes self-insert being just a joke rather than an actual integral part of the story
@@pancakes8670 on a series note their is no chance toby is the knight. Though I would not put it past him to give us a fake out as a joke.
Nah the dog is obviously Gaster, clearly the WD stands for White Dog Gaster
One more potent piece of evidence that could point to Alvin being the Knight is that Birdley, after leaving the cyber world, says he’ll be late for his shift with Ms. Boom. The only character known to have the last name Boom is Gerson, so it’s possible that Alvin’s sister is the librarian. It’s not unreasonable for someone to visit their sister, especially if she worked at a public place, which would make it inconspicuous for him to go to the library
And of course, this also supports your final theory
Very true!
It would be conspicuous if he was dead
@@soupisfornoobs4081 I was referring to it being inconspicuous for Alvin to visit his sister
And similarly to how Gerson/Knight in this theory might have visited the school since he worked there, he could have visited the Library since his daughter worked there
or alvins wife
could be alvins daughter if alvin has one
I have a proposition for you: There are MULTIPLE Roaring Knights. End of chapter 2, Kris makes a Dark world. Knife? Check. Fingers? Check.
But at the same time, how could he have been at the library when the dark world was already there? Unless, it was a different roaring knight.
Unless its multiple people.
Multiple people, that have similar motives. So much so, they would work together to achieve them.
That's a really curious theory and would make a lot of sense. The Rroaring Knight not being a person, but a concept. Hmm...
@@LunizIsGlacey but why it seems that everyone are talking about the same person
@@dragonfire3727 That’s because we don’t know for certain right now if there even ARE multiple knights or just one knight…PLUS there’s nothing in the Deltarune universe so far that implies there are multiple knights Right now. That could change as time goes on as more chapters come out
What if that one is the “Roaring” knight, who has different motives than other knights with different titles, such as possibly bringing about the Roaring? What if other knights don’t want a roaring?
Kris’ pronouns are they/them
I think Papyrus has more evidence to being the Roaring Knight then you might think, if you consider his Undertale line about him being in closets (no skeletons in my closet --- except for maybe me!) Hes very tall, too, so the closet is big enough for him to fit inside -- and the fact the dude implies he knows a lot more about whats going on then he lets on in Undertale as well. (like pretending he doesnt know what a laboratory is infront of others, but when you talk to him alone he knows exactly what it is and explains Sans likes science and shit) Regardless of disagreeing Papyrus is unlikely a contender, great work!
This is why papyrus has stayed my top contender, atleast in terms of less popular options.
Would be a HUGE uprise for papyrus popularity
papyrus being so mysterious in undertale with so many people just kinda pushing it aside is very strange to me. obviously a lot of stuff he says is meant as jokes, but theres nothing stopping those jokes from being actual plot points
theres also the chance that papyrus is significantly different in deltarune. most characters seem pretty much the same with some differences, like catty and bratty being rivals instead of friends. maybe papyrus difference could have a sort of ripple effect through other parts of him or his life
Sans on Deltarune is pretty close in the top, or at least, dropping subtle hints on uncovering the identity of Knight, like the eggs and I believe something about the movement on how Knight works in chess?
or he's the perfect red herring too.
I also feel like him being able to be tricked by flowy in undertale could show his ability to be tricked by someone like Gatser into becoming the knight in undertale
Petition to put RK in A tier for one reason.
Lancer is able to 'jump in and out' of Kris's pocket at the speed of a menu.
He also calls Rouxls 'dadcrobatic (lesser)', which could mean Lancer thinks Rouxls more skilled than him.
If that's the case, that could possibly mean that he leapt out and back in faster than we were shown, possibly when talking to Susie at some point in chapter 2, thus creating a dark fountain in the computer lab.
He is distinctly shown with the ability to teleport
Except for the fact that RK would have to be in the real world to create the fountain in which case he's a card, hence making it impossible
@@kreatona4219 Cards are flat and therefore somewhat sharp,he used himself as the knife. /hj
Shave
@@hollowhenry04 /hj?
I actually love the idea of Rouxls being the Knight lol. He's not so silly that it would feel dumb to have him be that sort of twist villain,, and I think an antagonist whose whole thing is wanting to devote themselves to a literal God of destruction is actually kinda cool? Like, instead of being the big bad because he wants something for himself, he's actively seeking to get himself thrown into an equally treacherous position all for the sake of having somebody to worship. Idk it just seems intriguing to me,, the concept of the villain actually being a spineless dog
Absolutely! There are definitely some fun concepts at play there, and it would make for an interesting antagonist. Obviously, I don't believe in that option, but I wouldn't have given RK the time of day if him being the Knight didn't make a decent amount of sense!
it would feel too goofy imo (if he isnt explored WAYYY more in other chapters)
@@siduxjxhdgzhdjxhxuuxxyhgg1079 Maybe if he's the knight when he reveals himself them that's when he gets serious? Idk
Id love to see him just being imprisoned just because ralsei realizes his initials are the same as the knight. And him asking why he is imprisoned. Then ralsei all of a sudden senses a new dark fountain open. Roulxs then gets released and gives us the biggest god-damit fit ever.
Starscream wishes
It's also worth noting that, at the VERY least, Berdly cares deeply for Noelle, and even if he's a jerk to everyone else, he's always well-intentioned when it comes to her. For one, Noelle mentions that Berdly's always nice to her when it's just the two of them, and he admits to pretending to have a crush on Noelle because he thought she was only helping him because she had a crush on him, implying that he faked liking her for YEARS just because he didn't want to break her heart. And most notably, he immediately jumps into a fight with Kris during Snowgrave despite being warned to run away because he could tell something was wrong with Noelle, quite literally at the cost of his life. The only time he puts Noelle in harms way INTENTIONALLY (and without good reason) is during his fight with Kris and Noelle in the normal route, but something tells me he wasn't really taking that fight seriously, as most (if not all) of the dark world battles have a sort of comedic/non-serious sort of vibe to them.
That said, it seems unlikely that he would be the knight, as the knight KNOWS about the roaring. If he knew what he would doing could potentially seriously harm and/or kill Noelle, he probably wouldn't do it.
(Then again this is just what I took from his character, maybe I'm wrong and he's actually just a douche, but Toby Fox isn't really in the business of making characters so one-dimensional.)
I always assumed the whole "long arm/long hand" thing was metaphorical, like the phrase "long arm of the law." Doesn't necessarily mean policemen have longer than average arms or anything.
Great video! Must've taken a lot of time and effort. Many thanks for the good content.
^ This
Same
Hold it. If it is a metaphor, what does it _mean?_ When someone says “long arm of the law” they’re referring to law enforcement and characterizing it with great ability to seek and find.
This “metaphor” is strange, because it doesn’t seem to imply anything beyond the literal. What about the knight’s arm being long is significant? Nothing else in the entire game puts any emphasis on the knight’s reach or finding ability. Why do that in this context? It really doesn’t seem to describe anything past a literal action taking place.
@@Fluffkitscripts The Knight clearly does have a long reach in the metaphorical sense though, they're creating a bunch of Dark Worlds and influencing their leaders to work toward their agenda. I think it's pretty clear they don't have only a small amount of influence.
Elijah Wright but that’s just one half the sentence. The rest describes the act of raising its hand and making, which unless that has a meaning on which to elaborate, doesn’t make sense to mix with a metaphor.
Especially since we know this is what it _literally_ did, the act of creating the dark fountain.
The massive length of this video scared me from committing to watching it for a while, but once I started, I didn't want to stop watching! It was wonderful for listening to in the background, not too distracting but was very interesting and gave me a lot to think about in regards to theorycrafting and Deltarune lore.
Glad you enjoyed. x)
Ong bruh it's 1:49 AM rn and I don't plan on stopping
There is actually a likely possible candidate you forgot to mention. Mrs. Holiday, aka Noelle’s mom. She is someone who is hinted at, but we never see her. First off, she is a hard worker, but also a bit cold. She is implied to be the mayor, and is hard at work on the festival. Interestingly, both secret bosses have backgrounds based on carnival rides, being merry-go-rounds and roller coasters. The holidays are shown to be pretty religious, which could explain the angel connection and whatever Spamton means by “Communion”. She has a motive, as one of her daughters seemingly went missing, and her husband is dying. And given that we don’t see her at all, she could easily sneak around to places in order to create dark fountains. We don’t know much about her, so it’s still hard to say.
You missed more info.
Dess and Noelle were part of an occultist group involving the goth cat and kris. This means that if she tried to, she could have access to the resources if she just took an interest or note of the occultistic things her daughters did.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God why is she not the knight?
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God Good point, we'll see
he actually did mention Mrs. Holiday, but just briefly enough to say he wouldn't talk about her. I don't think she is the Knight, but I do think she's worth mentioning for the reasons you described. At the very least, she'd be more likely than some of the other characters analyzed here.
I feel like you really underestimated Papyrus's chances.
He has hands (which some could describe as long) and an undefined amount of fingers (which means he could have either 4 or 5), he's a big person who could fit in the computer lab's closet, he has ample opportunity to create Dark Fountains as he supposedly stays all day at home, he has very strong ties to the theme of "Forgetting" and "Escapism" as he's a lonely 'loser' who could really use of fun dark world adventures, as you mentioned in UT he wanted to be a Knight, in both chapters when you knock on his house he runs away implying he's socially anxious, and that could explain why if he was the Knight he'd create a fountain in the lab and run away since Noelle and Berdly were unexpectedly there, and last but not least the Steam page for the game Toby specifically says Papyrus is "busy"... peharps busy opening dark fountains?
We have no reason to believe that the Knight truly knows what the Roaring is/does or that they don't have a different perception of it, i mean, if they really wanted to cause it why not just open 15 fountains in a row? Why wait a whole day to open a single one?
About him being goofy, i mean, Flowey exists and he's similarly goofy. But still, the different circumstances of DR's timeline/world could've led Papyrus to become more bitter and less goofy person, we've already seen how the different circumstances can make UT characters very different, Mettaton is even more depressed than how he sounded in his UT diaries.
Also, i agree with your other theory that Papyrus will die at the end and Sans will go to Undertale's world without him, but like, wouldn't that hit harder if Papyrus was an actual character instead of just a plot device for Sans's story? Imagine if Papyrus's death was somehow directly or indirectly caused by himself if he was the Knight, it'd make the two bros even more tragic.
I think when Spamton refers to "Easels or CRTs" he's talking about Swatch and Queen, the two most responsible for stopping him from reaching the body under the mansion. Now that Kris is here he doesn't need to convince Swatch or Queen to let him in as Kris can force their way in regardless.
Great video btw!
Considering the theme's of creation and different kinds of fiction, as well as how Jevil referenced the future chapter, I've always gone with the assumption that Easels and CRTs are Spamton's versions of references to future dark fountains. It's all but confirmed that Chapter 3 will involve TV in some way (The TV in Kris' house is a CRT), so perhaps Chapter 4's dark fountain would take place somewhere with a lot of paintings
@JayDee You're probably right. We might even encounter the Dark World version of the How to Draw Dragons book borrowed by Asriel, and see potentially risque yet amateur art of dragons.
@@GayBrain So Sorry confirmed for chapter 4?!??
@@ItsJayDee I completely forgot about him, lmfao
Wow, you’re honestly the first person I’ve seen discuss the easels or CRTs line from Spamton, it’s been bugging me for a while now, but your suggestion for its meaning is pretty believable considering that it’s been established that some darkners are to some extent aware of darkners from other dark worlds
You'd expect more people to analyze Spamton's dialogue considering how important it is to the lore. But yeah, glad I could provide!
I think most people focused on the CRT part to tie it into Mike (who many people predict will be the main villain and that the Dark World will be a TV world for a variety of reasons you probably already know) so they probably ignored the easels part for that haha.
I didnt even pay attention to the easels part or the second unused classroom until now haha
@@JaruJaruJ Most people see Spamton's dialogue as consisting primarily of jokes, rather than serious lore. And once you look past that, it's too darn confusing.
Spamton is definitely trying to say *something* with those [Hyperlink Blocked] comments. it's like he's trying to get you to realise (or click!) something and he's being filtered. That plus the cryptic stuff that might refer to the next game, yeah there's probably a lot of info in Spamton's words and the fandom have become so easily amused and distracted by his funny mannerisms and creepy demeanour that we're not really paying attention! The CRT and easels comment is so easily seen as a throwaway random remark.
Ok but speaking of Mettaton, there was an ending where he became ruler of the underground and, if I remember correctly, he turned out to be a tyrant and forgive me if I remember this wrongly but I think he executed people as well. So yeah, Mettaton is capable of unethical bloodshed.
Holy hell that actually happened?!?
@@0nullnil Yes, ok, I’ve checked the ending again and Papyrus literally states that people who don’t like Mettaton’s show tend to disappear. ;w;
@@emilierekdal5118 I love mettaton. Every morning I wake up in my mettaton branded bed, kiss my mettaton branded lover take a bath in my mettaton branded bath before brushing my teeth with a mettaton branded brush (the tooth brushes were sold out) useing mettaton branded tooth paste. Then I put on my mettaton branded cloths and eat my mettaton branded breakfast. Then I leave my mettaton branded home and drive to my mettaton branded car to my mettaton branded job. I like to put in a hour of unpaid work each day just for mettaton. Then I go to a mettaton branded restaurant and meet my mettaton branded lover and have a mettaton branded meal together. Then we go home store our mettaton branded 'trash' safely and going to sleep while wearing a mettaton branded bed mask
The ending where Mettaton becomes the ruler of the Underground is possibly the darkest ending of Undertale, as he becomes a Tyrant who executes and brainwashes people. Sans and Papyrus are brainwashed into becoming his bodyguards.
It's honestly a huge assassination of Mettatons character, especially after he has that heartfelt ending to his fight. Maybe Deltarunes world is better off with Mettaton not achieving his dreams lol
@@pancakes8670 Yeah I completely agree. It feels so out off place because his whole… arc?- is about him only pretending to be this egocentric murder machine, while in reality he was but a passionate guy who only wanted to entertain people. But the ending proves otherwise? Was that the point of it maybe? To open our eyes, to show that he actually is the douche he pretends to be? Idk man. So confused. :/
What is weird is that characters with talk sprites seem to be the ones who are most relevant to the plot, so Pizzapants/Burgerpants being in a dark world at least isn't that far out there.
The voice at the beginning also calls Bratty and Catty "Interesting" if you enter their names, as weird as they are, I do believe they will have a dark world adventure with Kris. :3
Berdly also had a unique text sound for whenever he talked, so that might be help it too if bratty and catty has those.
I absolutely love that one of the longest segments is about Rouxls Kaard
Same. xD
Also nearly longer than gaster and kris combined, who are two mysterious characters who are some of the most popular suggestions by the community
Yeah
rouxls is my favorite character
Also idk about Noelle's personality disorder, on both playthroughs I thought the evidence that Noelle showed puts her much more towards the idea that she seems to auto-repress traumatic memories, seeming to blank out, for a time, then coming back to consciousness not even remembering what just happened
The question is, what is her traumatic memories? Is it related to Dess somehow?
@@CalvinNoire 100% about Dess, she was winning in a spelling bee against Berdly but lost because she completely froze at the last word, "December", Dess' full name, in a likely PTSD episode. She might have been present at whatever happened to Dess and has blocked the memory of everything about it except the fact December has gone missing
@robotblue9894damn it toby
"Queen would've recognized the Knight" "King would've recognized the Knight"
Queen couldn't recognize Noelle when she wore a cardboard box on her head. Similarly, the King is not terribly smart.
"Asgore wouldn't want to hurt children"
Asgore wouldn't want to, but he's shown he's also perfectly willing to hurt or kill children if he believes it is necessary
"The Knight would oppose the Delta Warriors"
Both the King and Queen made assumptions about the Knight's intentions. If we assume the Knight is aware that the Card Kingdom Fountain was closed, and the Cyber City Fountain was opened after the Card Kingdom Fountain was closed, then the Knight choosing to leave Cyber City after making the fountain indicates that they are perfectly okay with the Delta Warriors closing fountains, and in fact, this may be part of their plan. Similarly, the Knight may or may not be aware of the nature of the Roaring itself
yea, queen can be a bit stupid
Hmm… queen might not be terribly perceptive, so it’s not completely out of the question, but I’m not buying the whole “king doesn’t have basic perceptive skills” thing. He seems to at least have his head attached.
Well, their name is the "Roaring Knight" and not "Knight that has a suspicion that opening dark fountains may possibly end the world" so they most likely know about Roaring.
This is actually something that stopped me from completley dismissing the kris is the knight theory. Maybe they made these dark fountains because they like the adventures, and know that the fountains will be closed before any harm can be done.
This is actually a really good and well thought out theory. Good on you! I will be nothing this on down for later.
At the end of chapter 2, Noelle talks about how great the dark world is, and how she prefers it.
What if Dess went to the dark world, thought the same thing, except she decided to stay? It would make sense as to why she seemingly disappeared with no trace.
Yeah
I like this theory, but a piece of evidence against it is that Susie says that the food in the dark world doesn’t really work. If that is so, the how would Dess not have starved while there?
@@themarvelousmikey3512I mean, Kris and the members of their/our party constantly eat food to revive and get more health. So I assume that some food works.
I’m fairly certain Queen’s “And Made” line is supposed to follow up on the previous one, which is to say, the full line would be “Reaching Its Long Hand To The Sky, It Coursed Its Will Into Its Blade And Made,” with the last two words being separated for dramatic effect.
Though admittedly, her lack of punctuation does make it somewhat hard to tell.
The image of Catti opening a dark fountain while listening to Bauhaus is very pleasing to me
Imagine at the end of Deltarune there's some really scary music, Ralsei is the only one with you, suddenly everything becomes black, except for Kris and Ralsei, and there's a dialogue text in the screen: "I am the Knight. Do you know who it is?" "NO? WELL, I WAS GOING TO KILL YOU EITHER WAY!" Then Onionsan himself appears on screen.
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
Nuh uh it would be that purple jigsaw in chapter 1
Your dramatic flair isn’t cringy. Nothing about your vids are! You always have great content and I always love your theories!
Thank you so much!
Let’s not forget that Rouxls also bears heavy resembles to Gaster, his nature as the rules card parallels Gaster nicely, and even subtly has Gaster’s motif playing in parts of his theme. There is an uncomfortable connection between Kaard and Gaster that nobody is talking about.
well, gaster's theme is an arpeggio, so it's made so you can basically hear it in every song
I would agree with you, if it weren't for the fact that Gaster's theme is in 90% of the Undertale and Deltarune soundtrack so it being in Rouxls' theme isn't too significant
@@Irish_Enderman yeah it IS only like 6 notes
@@clttr it is yes, but I think most of the songs it appears in were intentional, for a character as mysterious as Gaster, who seems to be VERY important to the behind the scenes of the story, I think it's likely any song that has his theme in it, was done on purpose, so although Rouxls does have it, it's not unique, but probably is NOT a coincidence
@@Irish_Enderman you actually do raise some good points, and i think that it wasnt articulately put into every song but instead made so even when toby isnt thinking (which i doubt) he puts it in a song especially since a lot of "it's pronounced rules" IS actually leitmotifs
Asgores main problem, the motive, could be explained by Noelle's sibling going missing. They might know about the dark worlds and want to find them, no matter the cost. However, the roaring knight knows about the roaring, and Asgore wouldn't hurt that many people knowingly.
Yeah, Asgore is infamous for being “wishy washy”: he can’t commit to any course of action that gets people hurt. He could declare war on humanity in his anger, but that was when there was little consequence to doing so. He’s so afraid of hurting anyone that he sometimes hurts people anyway by not just “getting things over with”
do we have evidence that the Knight 1. knows about the roaring 2. knows about it in the exact same way Ralsei does? I wouldn't be surprised if The Roaring ended up being more complicated than Ralsei made it appear, or at least Asgore viewed it in a different way. maybe he found the dark world and wanted to spread the darkness so everyone could live in a magical and exciting land instead of the harsh real world.
@@birdflox1337 It isn't unlike asgore to jump into something and not back down, I don't think it's unlikely they don't understand the roaring in the same way, either. Asgore has a pretty free schedule and access to a lot of the dark worlds that have been created.
The question of who showed the queen the knights method to creating fountains makes it hard to discern any candidate currently, but it does show that, bare minimum, the knight is cresting them and then selling them to the royalty of each world. The way the knight described the fountains was in a way to persuade both the king and Queen, implying that they know more about them and is actively trying to get darkners to handle the lightners.
It also implies that whoever is creating these fountains is actively deceiving the people in the lands, and I don't believe Asgore would do this.
@@leoluster5096 Are we sure the Knight knows about the Roaring? Maybe Asgore genuinely believes what he's telling the inhabitants of the Dark Worlds.
the way multiple characters refer to the knight as "It" seems to me to suggest that the Knight is somehow robotic or not entirely a "person" with "identity" necessarily so much as a "force" (as in "force of nature" but not necessarily... nature based). i think this acts as a stronger piece of evidence that the discarded Vessel is the Knight, but that's just me
Mad dummy is also an it.
It could also mean that you cannot tell their gender from their appearance.
@@DemiIsNotHere Typically, the way to refer to someone of indeterminate gender is "they", so having the knight be referred to as "it" is quite interesting. "It" implies a lack of personhood.
@@RodrigoTheHappyDog maybe the night asked to be addressed as it, or maybe the darkners didn't recognize it as a person
@@RodrigoTheHappyDog
Some people use it/it's pronouns but that's usually not the case and "it" is used for like objects or anything that isn't human.
Kinda reminds me of that animation with that song. Something like "Nowhere King" as the title, I forget.
I was really hoping that rouxls kaard was going to be in A-teir. like just imagine rouxls being revealed as the knight "Thoust worms never suspected a thingeth...NOW THOU LIGHTENERS SHALL FACE THINE ULTIMATE PUZZLE, BEATING THINE ULTIMATE RIVAL...THE ROARING KNIGHTETH!"
Roaringeth*
Imagine if every chapter had an Rouxls Kaard battle just before the final boss of the main route, where he adds a new fake accent until he’s completely unintelligible.
@@tysondennis1016lol
@@tysondennis1016 this is the correct answer
" *Next up is Starwalker. These birds are pissing him off. He's the original Starwalker. Next up is Sus-* "
13:38 this is so interesting and convoluted and amazing and I love it! One thing I do think about this, is that rather than wanting to block the Hyperlink of Determination, Spamton is wanting to unblock it so he can use it to free himself from his strings. That's why he says that Kris wants Hyperlink blocked too. Kris also wants to escape the Determination of the player and cut their own strings.
Could be!
As more evidence for Alvin, Berdly mentions in chapter 2 working for Ms. Boom. This means that Ms Boom is related to Father Alvin, since Gersons full name is Gerson Boom. That would give Alvin plausibility to be in the library and even create a fountain there, considering his family owns the library aswell.
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If Rouxls Kaard had absorbed a Lightner's soul, which is what he would need in order to be the Knight, then not only would he be able to create Dark Fountains, he would also be able to retain his form in the Light World instead of turning into an inanimate object. As such, it's possible that he used his ability to teleport to get out of Kris' pocket and into the computer lab, created the Dark Fountain, then teleported back into Kris' spacious pant holes. As for why he wasn't discovered with his physical form, is it not possible he would be able to turn back into a card? We see Lancer go from being a card to having a physical body in the Cyber World, so I think it's safe to assume that the opposite can also happen, which would also explain why, if we check the cards in our inventory, we still see him as a normal rules card.
Sidenote: when talking about Seam's "him and his strange son" line, while it is possible that he was talking about the Knight and the Knight's son, or the King and the King's son, it's also possible that he meant the Knight and the King's son, which doesn't really matter for most of the candidates, but I felt like pointing it out lol
I love it. xD
So when Rouxls Kaard taps into his darkener powers, it’s when he disengages heavily from his Lightener powers.
I got ridiculously excited to see this one's over three hours long. xD Your other theory videos are great, and that Ralsei theory was just phenomenal. Can't wait to enjoy this one! Keep up the wonderful work, Jaru!
Thank you very much! :D
@@JaruJaruJ agreed! Please keep it up!
The idea of burgerpants being the villain is an interesting one. A compelling detail for me (which is totally subject to denial) is in his cameo appearance in la mulana 2. Of all the characters to make a shopkeeper cameo. They chose burgerpants and then decided to have him hold flowey! So itd be funny if this random cameo coincidentally featured 2 antagonists
Oh hell yea, I'd love to see him go batshit and be like this agent of chaos or something
I mean Ralsei definitely has some secrets. How did they even leave the Card Kingdom to enter the Cyber one? Can't darkners not leave into the real world? And why didn't HE turn into a statue in Cyber world despite him being their for the whole day of chapter 2?
When we come back from the Spamton fight in the normal route, my guy Ralsei literally just walks outside the path into the dark area during the cutscene of them comforting Kris.
ALSO, here's a really suspicious detail. Remember in chapter 1 when we are focusing on Susie trying to Jailbreak us? Just as we cut back to Ralsei and Kris, Ralsei tells Kris "...So that's why.. Ok Kris?" And then Susie opens the door. Maybe Ralsei tells us to focus on Susie to divert the attention of the player while he talks to Kris?
@@BoredomIncarnate16 like PRINCE of the dark world universe or something like that.
I feel like the game is hinting at several different knights, either aware or unaware of the Roaring Knight. We already have confirmation of that with Kris, since they're very obviously not the person responsible for the first two fountains.
In chess theory its implied basically everyone its a posible knight.
Are you sure? Because we don't control Kris at Night. (K) ris at (Night)
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 exactly
I'm not convinced that the library fountain was created during the day. I think soulless Kris is the only knight creating dark worlds every night. All mentions about "the hand" support this claim due to the fact that soulless Kris only seems to use its arm (and legs, but just barely). Kris is also refered to as "it" in game (edit: that's not true).
@@aleksandersabak When in the game is Kris ever referred to as "it"?
To my knowledge, Kris uses they/them pronouns. (So do other characters in Undertale & Deltarune)
I think the most likely option in my opinion is that the Knight is going to be a new character rather than an existing one, however I feel like Gerson has got to play a role somehoe, especially considering that his name is an anagram for "Goners" which is probably a coincidence but still
GERSON CREATED THE GONERS CONFIRMED
Amazing job!
Also I think Rouxls Kaard actually had a way to create the fountain in the library as he has the power to teleport not only himself, but other objects and living creatures as well. This technically allows him to: Teleport to the library with a knife - open the fountain - teleport back - and enter your inventory. And we know for a fact that Ralsei doesn't immidiately know that there is a new fountain as he only appears minutes later > so this would technically be possible. Toby (possibly) hinted that roulxs kaard will return as an enemy in later chapters when he commented on a scrapped RK theme : "I started to come up with an epic song for when you _first_ _battled_ Rouxls" (past tense might imply that he's talking about the C. Round battle). Jevil makes it seem like that he is the most powerful card in the deck, but we know that the RULES CARD is technically above the Joker card as it is not a part of the game but the gamemaker itself. The only reason I can come up with, why Rouxls would do this is because what Ralsei says earlier: The purpose of Darkners is to entertain lightners and Rouxls is literally the Rules card > the one that makes it possible for a game to exist. Even so I don't think rouxls kaard will turn out to be the knight but instead one of the final bosses when he reveals his true powers.
Another thing that some people say, is that the knight is not a single entity but instead a group of people working together. This could work but when Toby told us that he had an idea for a Deltarune intro where *the* knight stands at the end, basically proves that this theory is wrong.
Your theory is, again, very greatly put together - you explained everything you wanted - you made it easy to follow - you had a valid point - and its something I can actually imagine happening.
Thank you for the video, it was about time someone did an ACTUAL analysis (possibly the best one yet).
Thank you very much! I'm really glad you enjoyed and I'm glad you liked my theory!
Personally, I think Papyrus is the Knight, I don't know why but I think it's more likely than any other Undertale character we haven't seen in Deltarune (with the exception of Gaster), I think it makes sense for him to be The Knight because in UT he wants to be a part of the royal guard and (I believe) refers to his clothing as body armour, so he does have armour, not every returning character is the exact same as they were previously so maybe his difference is that he finally gets to be a guard/knight. No clue in terms of motivation but I still think this is possible
HIS motivation could be gaster
I totally agree, hehe. Motivation could just be misguided manipulation from some other more sinister character, he’s been manipulated by Flowey before in UT, and considering Sans mentions how Papyrus is kinda lonely, I think it’d be pretty fitting for it to happen again.
Personally, I think his motivation could be that he thinks he's the good guy without any outside manipulation, creating these worlds and "helping" people because he has no one in town who knows and trusts him to do so. (Besides Sans but it's Sans we're talking about.) The idea that not only is he doing all of this for himself, and is *determined* to continue escalating and creating dark fountains without knowledge of the consequences could set him up as not only a major antagonist, but a threat that won't back down until shown the error of his ways. (Or he's killed but we'll see how the other chapters handle weird routes.)
I mean, with how toby is keeping papyrus hidden from us. it could be possible. we have no idea what papyrus is like in this universe.
Rouxls has the ability to teleport, so it is a possibility that he teleported to the computer lab, created the fountain, and then came back before he went into Kris's inventory.
Edit: I forgot about darkners turning into items lmao
darkners turn to items in the light world
I'm glad the evidence doesn't point towards Kris being the knight. Firstly, that would be sad. Secondly, it seems too obvious. Kris creating a fountain at the end of chapter 2 seems TOO obvious - like a red herring to make you think they're the knight. The fact they have armor, look like a knight, and can seemingly create Dark fountains, is far too on the nose for Toby Fox's writing style. Perhaps Kris can make dark fountains - but nobody's saying the Roaring Knight is the ONLY one who can make fountains. So even if Kris can do it too, that doesn't automatically _make_ them the Roaring Knight. Maybe there are many knights with this ability, but the Roaring Knight is specifically trying to cause... well, the Roaring.
I think asgore's horns would get in the way of the closet. He'd obviously get stuck and it would be like this
As: someone help?
@@bugjams i think that is overthinking a lot, i dont think the knight or the red soul be evil, and kris actions will somehow explained, like because darkness is accomulating he liberates little by little so it doesnt explode, like when they want a whale to not explodw
*Teleports to the library*
*Transforms back into a rules card*
GOD
DAMNIT
Gonna comment before I start watching but… holy hell. Only you can make what is essentially a feature length film on a character we know little to nothing about but still make it a quality watch no matter the circumstances. Better than anything I could do anyway. I’ll come back in after the video ends and give my thoughts on it but you definitely earned my attention, that’s for sure! My guess going in is either Dess, the Mayor, or Alvin. Can’t wait to see what you have in store!
(EDIT) Just got finished watching and once again you knocked it out of the park! The fact you looked over nearly every character in the game for a contender is why I subscribed to the channel. You don’t hold out on any details when it comes to even the bare minimum. As for your theory, best take of the Knight I’ve seen yet. Expertly ties into most theories on them while having a fresh Toby-like twist added in and focuses on one of the most underrated characters in Undertale as well. And for your prediction on Chapter 4’s location is also brilliant. I can see it resembling Picture City in the original Rayman, just as a Dark World. Might have to do some concept ideas for what your Chapter 4 might look like (even if I suck at drawing). Looking forward to the next video, whether it be about the Shadow Crystals or another topic. See you then!
Thank you for the kind words and support! :D
This isn’t even an opinion it’s just fact. Raw fact.
Look at my comments. But you probably can't find them. All Imma say is that I have some interesting questions not relating to this video.
When you started talking about Rouxls Kaard I joked to myself going "Haha that's funny, technically his initials would totally be RK" and then you going on to mention it was even funnier
also I think sans' willingness to kill a child was less about having no morals or little care for the lives of children, and rather more like that one train hypothetical. The life of one child to free all of monster kind. Since Frisk was, or would've been, the 7th soul after all, it would be an easy decision on his part, especially with the power to do so, so easily
Personally, I think there is a likely fate for Chara in the Deltarune universe.
As shown by the library books regarding humans, it is clear that they are present in the Light World, just not in Hometown. Hometown seems to be a majority-monster community, and self-contained. Asriel going outside of Hometown to go to college is definitely a part of the reason he’s a literal “hometown hero,” and him going out into a place where humans (whom monsters may be scared of) reside. Asriel’s college is likely full of humans.
In addition, we know that characters in Deltarune have similarities in their relationships to other characters. Asgore is still friends with Rudy, and formerly married to Toriel. Bratty and Catty are complete opposites. In Undertale, Chara became Asriel’s adopted sibling.
On that note, I believe Chara is currently Asriel’s roommate.
I actually have a theory it'll be the other way around with the initials RK. Someone will put RK as initials down on a note and the party will assume its rouxxls and leave their guard down when the knight swoops in and kicks their asses 😂
2:22:31 actually, it can also mean: "The remaining king put him(the Knight) and his(the Kings) strange son(Lancer) into power" meaning, it most likely means that the spade king put the kinght and lancer in power.
This probably happend because Toby wanted the knight be secret, while also mentioning how the Knight was in power in that kingdom, but then throwing in lancer to not make the sentence stick out too much, that creating a bit confusion, and not realising it, because he knows who the knight is and that that sentence was mentioning them, it can make it harder for him to realise that others might not realise this when analysing it. But that's just a theory, A GAME THEORY-
That's how I always read the line tbh.
Sounds like a solid theory
Impossible,king's dialouge during the fight confirms the knight is a rank above him
The "strange son" in that line could grammatically belong to the "remaining king" rather than "him" so saying the knight or another character is "him" there is a reasonable reading of the line
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
18:37 Well, that seems to forget the whole “Susie and Kris fell into Castle Town after the floor in the closet literally disappeared” thing
I actually think Asgore is a strong contender for the Knight. It's implied that while he was in the service he had something to do with December's disappearance, and likely is what drove him and Toriel apart due to Kris, Ariel, and Noelle's friendship. I believe he would definitely be desperate enough to correct this mistake and try to bring her back by any means, even if it endangers others, especially if it means possibly getting his old life back.
Ngl, I also couldnt help but notice Rules (its pronounced Rouxls) Card's connection with the Knight, and how unusual he is.
While it's obvious he isnt the Knight, I feel he might be one of those patented goofy Toby characters who are revealed to have a surprisingly deep connection with the story/lore.
Also, great video. The Hammer theory certainly has a lot of potential, esp since Gerson is the first person to mention Delta Rune. We know that Deltarune was a concept before Undertale, so Toby most likely have decided by then who the knight is, so it might be a hint of sorts 👀
Agreed! Thank you for the kind words!
A few minor details I would like to add to the Rouxls theory.
In Chapter 2 on pacifist and neutral routes, Rouxls assists you in defeating Queen, by supplying the thrash machine. However, in the Snowgrave route, he statuifies himself in front of the cafe that has some of the most effective healing items and armor you can get. Because he recognizes that using a shop is one of the best ways you can get the right equipment to beat a boss. Since the Snowgrave route actively goes against his plan (Putting the insane Spamton in charge instead of Queen) he’ll try to stop you in whatever small way he can.
The second detail also shows he has at least some knowledge of divine higher beings and potentially serving them….Why? Because his catchphrase he has used in both of the chapters Rouxls has appeared in has been in reference to a higher being smiting a gender less creature. This catchphrase is of course…
GOD
DAMN IT
I have a feeling the Roaring Knight is a pawn of a grander antagonist’s scheme. And I think its possibly Gaster’s.
If the Knight is being used by Gaster then maybe he’s making these dark worlds to aid in Gaster’s dark experiments.
Or if we take the whole “Gaster fell into his own creation and was shattered across space and time” thing into consideration, then maybe these dark worlds are being made to put Gaster back together again, perhaps through the shadow crystals.
Gaster seems to have some type of connection with eggs which reminds me of Humpty Dumpty, someone who FELL and was SCATTERED across the floor.
Im realizing that this shifted more towards Gaster than the Knight…but I still think the Knight being a pawn is a good theory.
@birb imagine lol
Sounds like something Toby would do. Asgore being the fake antagonist while Flowey was slowly built up as the main villain and revealed towards the end would be paralleled well with the knight being the fake antagonist and Gaster being built up as the villain and revealed towards the end
Humpty Dumpty Gaster Theory is the most stupid yet genius thing I’ve ever heard. I hate it yet I love it so much.
The question is if Undertale is cannon to deltarune
@@hasargel it is. They are alternate universes of each other with shared events like “Not-quite-Asriel” doing the tutorial, Toriel and Asgore Divorce. Etc.
And callbacks like being able to recognise sans, and some DR dialogue that directly references dialogue in UT like “guess you’ll never find a working jukebox” calling back to a broken jukebox in UT
2:25:01 It cracked me tf up hearing you say, with a serious tone: "The Starwalker joining, makes sense, as he's the original starwalker!"