@@CardmarketMagic I am very sure, you will nail it! And pls, no pressure :) Would love to see like a recap of the past 2-3 years, when the channel finally started to go through the roof thanks to you ;) Otherwise: You are far more creative than me, when it comes to great video ideas :D
No way! You got Reid on?! These "history of" with archetype experts are some my favourite content. And Reid is the communities darling ofc, everyone loves him!
Reid is one of the best example rolemodels of a great magic tournament player. He is very respectful to his opponents, always calm and collected and has just a ton of charm to go with his super-tight magic play. I played him in a 3v3 team grand prix, though I wasn't matchup up with him directly. He was extremely friendly and approachable and ofcourse beat the hell out of my teammate that had to face him in his 1v1 games. (with magic cards, not fisticuffs)
My guess is he logged into his computer to make a video about Jund and immediately received an email from Reid who's Tarmogoyf senses had begun to tingle.
Cardmarket magic is on a mad streak of banger videos recently! These history vids, the standard tournament, and the Remy collab vids have been awesome. Keep it up you guys!
To be honest, even as a new subscriber, there is also a small backlog of very nice videos to watch as well. For sure these deck archetype videos are among the best, as is the best deck of all time tournament series. They all celebrate Magic, not just as a fun cardgame, but also as a professional sport with a history that is worth diving into.
"They're casting that Bloodbraid Elf to feel young again." Carl, I thought we were talking about midrange decks and not aggro damage straight at my heart
These deep dives into the history of deck archetypes are A+++ content! Along with the clash of World Champion deck series, this channel is posting bangers non-stop. Well worth the effort. Congratulations.
As someone who has only started to get into limited formats after playing commander for about a year, this was an incredible video and the intro and discussion with Reid is really helping to jumpstart my interest in playing a format like Standard, Modern, Pioneer, or something similar. Thank you so much for all your hard work, and for the excellent content!!!
Hearing Carl narrate all of this is so surprisingly soothing. I was hooked on to the screen from the first word. I remembered playing jund, winning 2 tournaments and had to sell it off, as I was in a rough place back then. Such a fun time, thank you Carl!
Holy smokes, this video is amazing! Interesting note: back in a days we never called The Rock deck by this name in our local community. This deck was always named by the name of it's creator - Malka. New players always asked why this deck has such a weird name!
"Yeah jund is basically dead. Nobody plays it anymore." "For real. When was the last time you queued it up even?" "Huh? Oh I was playing it when we got on this call."
This series has become one of my favorites in all of magic youtube. Great conntent and awesome guests. I would love to see one on Death and Taxes or in the story of tempo decks (Delver, UB Faeries, Murktide, etc)
Thank you! :) I am indeed planning to make another one. They just take me so much longer, so I cannot pump them out as fast. I have to work on our other videos. Which archetype would you like to see next?
My only nitpick on the video (and its a small one, since this video actually got the source of The Rocj's name correct, unlike many) is that Napster was called such because A: once the list was online anyone would be able to get it, and B: with 4x Vamp Tutors in the main, you could always get what you wanted when you wanted it, just like when using Napster in the late 90's
Okay, this was the best video I watched in a long time and I really got sentimental. Bommer Jund was my pet deck in the 2013 Legacy-GP in Strasbourg and it got me really far. It was basically the shell you guys were talking about with Deathrite Shamans, Tarmogoyfs, Punishing Fire + Grove Combo, Liliana, Thoughtseize, Abrupt Decays and Dark Confidants. God, I loved this deck. I went 8:1 on day one, and sadly did misplay on day 2 and got the 33rd place. After the Deathrite ban the deck died and I sadly had to change. But deep down in my heart, this deck will always be one of my favorites. As you said, good honest matches. Thank you for this amazing video, please keep on going with this quality content.
The jund staples are my favorite cards forever. Sleeving this feeling like an underdog as a player in 2015 and finishing 2nd at a PTQ are some of my best MTG memories.
This series is continuing to be one of my most looked forward to videos. Wonderful analysis and insight that both old and new players could get to appreciate, and just the amount of work and love in these is palpable. Can't wait for the next one!
What I love about this kind of archetype is that it is the epitome of fair Magic, there is no big combo, no "my third land is a tapland so I lose to the rushdown", no lockpieces that say "you don't get to play". It is more like "everyone gets to play, first one to run out of resources loses" that generates longer, more interactive games that are a blast to play.
As you requested. Please keep making these videos. 1. They're awesome and entertaining. 2. It's important to document the history behind these decks. If MTG sticks around it'll be because younger players WANT to play MTG. Similar to how speedruns of N64 games have millions of views; people want to know the history of what they enjoy. It's why people often refer to their hobbies as passions. This channel and your efforts are wonderful examples of someone passionate about the game and what it brings to the (kitchen) table.
That's truly very kind of you to say :D thank you! Is there an archetype or a specific part of MTG history you would like to see covered in the next one?
@@CardmarketMagic your most recent challenge episode highlighting best standard decks across the ages was phenomenal. If you wanted to investigate something I would suggest the evolution of Control decks!
This video is so great. From the perspective of someone who started playing magic in 2008 it’s nice to know all the history before I even got into the game. Now it’s 2023 it’s nice to see the love of magic is still very strong.
Came into this not expecting to like it as much as the regular gameplay (since it’s so high quality), but I found it very interesting and engaging throughout. Would love to see more of these!
Reid said it best. It’s not a bad thing to have a green based creature deck as the best deck. Jund never felt unconquerable and it promotes healthy play patterns. There’s always gonna be a best deck, at least Jund plays magic as Garfield intended 🖤💚❤️
Well, one thing this may have gotten wrong is how far back the evaluation really was. Based on the narrative, it touched only the golden years, the first 5 years, and did not even took on the Black Summer of 96. See i'm one of the old skul guys,and i can attest to how big "The Dojo" was and how it deffined future netdecking. For atarters BG was a staple then, limited only by the availability of the dual lands. This was possibly the fastest deck around that time, with a Dark Ritual , Juzam and Ernham finishing off in 3 turns. BR and RG were also prominent. It was actually Blue who do not have a good presence. White is also dominant for reasons it is a foil in the meta dominated by Black and Red. BR and RG both have a home with Landkill (you call it Ponza now). Its not very evidently used in tourneys because players "dont want to get hated on"....yes, players has a love and hate relationship with LandKill decks. BR only weakness was enchantments, for which Nev Disk was a powerfull staple then. Finally, RG is the 2nd fastest next to Bayou (BG) esp. with ouchland (you now call it painlands) in friendly colors of B&R in Sulfuruos Springs. Its was the most versatile and fast deck with fast mana critters of both G and R (Orcish Lumberjack) and answer to critters, artifacts and enchantment, again the only foil coming from White. And lest you forget, after the Black Summer before Urzas, there was Pros/Drain/Bloom that got intermitently banned. This is a nice take, but it lacks more depth. '94 to '99 was not the Stone-Age. Before Combo Winter there were already more variety, unlike how modern players "thought" it now due to a narrow and lack of legit older viewpoint. Do you even know what preceded "The Dojo", unless you live the era, you will know coz it aint searchable that far back with the internet😏
My favorite Modern deck and my favorite MTG player, which funnily enough were unrelated in me finding and liking either of them. Great to see Reid here with all of his classic Jund matches and knowledge of this deck and all its intracacies throughout the years.
As someone who has Korvold as his commander, I loved reading about Jund and it’s history in MTG. The fact was Midrange was not even an archetype before and now it feels like the majority of standard decks is amazing.
Another great deck history video, these are really awesome to watch and extremely well produced! I remember clearly back in the standard Jund days, I optimistically designated my deck as one with a good Jund matchup, conceding some amount to other decks at the time. But even my overloaded with value, filled with great early interaction, Grixis control list struggled to even beat the deck that I had specifically designed it to beat. There was a reason control decks weren't played much at the time, a big one being that even just the Jund deck by itself could also just overload you with value plays that traded 2 for 1, while also pressuring you with solid beatdown. Looking back at it, even though it was a menace of a deck, I still really enjoyed playing the format at the time, which was soon being replaced with all kinds of Jace, the Mind Sculptor decks with broken equipment and some amount of Eldrazi Conscription lists. Standard went frustrating after this for quite some time. I clearly remember the Jund era as one of the longer times in history where standard was an enjoyable format to both play and design decks for, especially on a budget.
re: Combo Winter -- Probably the best example of the decks of the time was Brian Hacker's Pro Tour Rome deck. He kept a no-land hand, played Gustha's Scepter (a card that I'm sure most people have never heard of), passed, and then on his next turn was able to generate enough mana to deck out his opponent with Stroke of Genius. (Hacker would also probably be a great topic for another historical MtG video. He built one of the first White Weenie decks, developed the idea of playing with 16-18 lands 5-8 spells 14-19 creatures in limited, invented the term "beatdown", and was just a major innovator in drafting. Though he's far enough in the Dark Ages of Magic that it might be hard getting much exact info.) Anywho, great video as always! You said the historical videos take a while, but I think they're definitely worth it. Please keep 'em up!
The production quality these deep dive videos have (as well as the quality and pace of the narrator and guests) is honestly mind blowing. Probably the single best MtG videos in RUclips. Outstanding work!!!
Right in the feels. I never realize how much of my life has been linked to Magic till I see a video like this. Those were the days. When in doubt, Jund 'em out!
I love the history series. Please keep it up! Deaths Shadow/Delver, Burn, WW, Fairies (Tribes), and possibly the next best option, Urza Tron. I’d love to see them all but Tron has a great history, beginning with Tooth and Nail for Darksteel Citadel and Sundering titan, UTron with Memnarch, back to Gtron adopting KikiJiki Titan and Platinum Angel and Leonin Abunas. After that, dozens of versions spawn, Blightsteel Collosus, Karn (7) Eldrazi, Toolbox Karn (4) with and without mycosyth, etc. I think it’s perfect for this series.
I've had a bit of an off and on relationship with Magic, so I get a little lost on some of the terminology in your other videos. This is perfect for me to get that background I've been missing. Love this format!
I'm happy to help fill in the gaps :) MTG does indeed have a complex history and we forget about it sometimes when we talk and shortcut and use expressions that might be incomprehensible to some players. We really should be keeping that more in mind 😅
I've been into TCGs, CCGs, and DCCGs for years and that easily the best explanationation of the four core archetypes I've ever heard. Such a simple, clear descriptor. Awesome video.
You guys' channel has very quickly gone from "Oh neat, cardmarket has a youtube channel" to one of my favorite channels on the entire platform. You guys are so knowledgeable, charismatic, and fun to watch every single time you upload these days. I always look forward to whatever comes next! ♡
The RDW video had the most engaging script. Love the narrative flair it had. But, nonetheless, this video is still awesome and this series is the best, Karl!
I never comment on anything, but dude, Carl, you guys are killing it. This has become my favorite MTG channel. Regardless of popularity you have to sell these videos internally as giving Cardmarket/the channel prestige. They really make you guys shine.
Thank you for making an exception, and saying such nice things! :D I love doing these so they won't stop, but I cannot roll them out as often because I have to spend my time making the other videos on the channel. What archetype or part of MTG history would you like to see covered in the next video?
First time I've subbed to something on RUclips in years. I mostly stopped playing MTG 2 years ago, but I have still been watching all of the Cardmarket Magic content I could find over the past 3 months. You guys do a really great job and I really appreciate the quality and fun found in these video's! Hoping you get all the success you deserve! :)
This is the type of content I wish there was more of. Fantastic job. And getting Reid to talk about the deck that made him an icon was so awesome to see. Thank you.
I miss Deathrite era Jund so much; I was a Living End player, and because they had Deathrite, Jund players were skimping on the graveyard hate that actually had a chance at beating me. Oh, and the deck was everywhere. It was barrel fishing season and I loved it.
This is actually one of the coolest vids you've made so far. Please do more! There is a tonne of similar videos you could do too, even just covering strange/crazy meta's and the decks that spawned (like the aforementioned combo winter for example). The whole thing was enthralling to watch
@@CardmarketMagic yoo a coverage of Jace TMS and the caw blade meta would be sick. Including how stoneforge mystic got banned despite being in a precon (which was still legal except it had to be the exact 60 cards of the precon) and how Jace finally got banned like a couple weeks before he rotated. Or actually birthing pod and its lifetime in standard and modern would be sick, not to mention splinter twin! And its ridiculous banning at the time and the fact its been locked away unfairly since "just for being popular" and not necessarily overpowered. Damn and this is just the stuff i remember from back in my days, theres tonnes more i don't know about, going pre time spiral before i started
Jund is the deck I played and I only started playing Modern about two years ago. I guess what drew me to it was that every matchup feels skill based, and I love that about it. If I win I almost always feel like I deserved it and if I lose I always feel like I deserved it. I could definitely be playing Murktide and be enjoying my experience but I think I prefer the cleanness of succeeding with Jund. Obviously I'm only playing locals and state size events, but it's what brings me fun in the game.
This was so well done! Videos like this are fascinating for me since I'm a long time player who only ever did kitchen table magic and was completely isolated from the meta, culture, and archetypes of Magic. Turns out that when I learned to play I liked aggro (hello Elvish Rage precon) but as I've gotten older and played more I have gone more and more midrange. Thanks for such a well produced video!
Thank you for your kind words :) it's so wild how you have two different worlds around the same game, in parallel, unaware of each other. The competitive players and the casual players
And here I've been in commander trying to play this kind of style for the last 10 years with a mono-black zombie deck. Good thing CardMarket is here to let you teach. 😎
WELCOME TO THE JUND-GLE BABY!!!! these videos are what separetes you from other magic card channels, and honestlly without them life is not so good, to keep them up, cause we need them
I initially learned to play Magic when Alara block started in Standard, so any highlights of Jund are a definite watch. I loved my Jund Predator Dragon deck, despite me being very bad at Magic.
This is the best "hiostory" video so far !!! Great job... KEEP IT UP !!! Reid Duke with LSV are two of the best pro players that change magic for "all" players !!!
The printing of Deathrite was something else. Pro Tour R2R was my first and I hedged on the wrong golgari rare from that set - Lotleth Troll. Had been watching Michael Jacob and Cedric Phillips stream while I was testing and Geralf's Messenger had been putting in work in his Jund deck. I figured Lotleth and Messenger would let me also play Gravecrawler, to make opposing Lillianas in the jund mirror look silly. Only a fraction of the field had Deathrite but boy was that the play.
"You'll still see players turning tarmogoyfs sideways and ticking up lillianas at modern events with pouches under their eyes, but they're not doing that for the cash prizes, they're casting that bloodbraid elf to feel young again" Goddamn that's a heavy line. Fantastic video!! Awesome to see Reid Duke in this. If you do another one, I'd love to see a white weenie/death and taxes history with Craig Wescoe, if that were possible, or maybe a Splinter Twin postmortem.
I was at that GP in Miami where Reid won with Jund. That was probably my favorite standard format ever. Jund and all the UWx decks with Sphinx's Revelation.
@@CardmarketMagic Ooh, interesting question. I think looking at the evolution of the Izzet turn-four deck going from Splinter Twin to Delver to Murktide might be interesting! Tron could also be a fun one...
Excellent video, I really love these MTG history lessons. And as cherry on top even with the duke of Jund himself! Truely amazing content, thanks for making this.
I just picked up the new Jund precon from MH3, watched this video, and man you killed it. Thank you for the lore and the passion. Cant wait to see what you got next!
As a former Spiritmonger era Rock player, I found this video completely awesome! I now have a jund food deck, which I think is such a cool deck to play and have fun.
Super interesting, never knew that the idea of a mid-range deck was such a relatively new concept. I remember we all played with mid-range like decks in 95 (without releasing it). We just put the best cards we had in a deck and traded mainly to find the right colour 😂 A lot of 93/94 decks now are actually mid-range decks. You don't see a lot of Jund in OS, but it does give you access to Xira which is pretty sweet. Anyway, getting sidetracked, thanks for making these and great to have Duke in here.
This video was fantastic, please do more of these lmao. Jund is my all time favorite deck, I started playing in alara right as Jund became super popular so it holds a special place in my heart as being THE deck for my first 5 years of the game. Great work!
Really fun look at the history of Midrange decks. I've always loved them since they're the sort of deck you would naturally build as kid just picking out good and cool cards.
Caaaaarrrrrlllll Would it please be possible to make more videos like this? Deep dives into specific deck archetypes? I think miracles would be amazing with the new Aminatou spoilered I love the content the channel makes. All of it is fun, informative, and silly. I'd think it would also be amazing to have a more in depth history video like was done here once every month or few months Fantastic video! Thank you so much for the content!!!
The quality of the content the last 9 months have been so good and I've watched nearly every episode. Before that I only watched I few different picks. So good work 👌😃
That's the goal :) I decided to put a lot more work into every episode and to try to make them more appealing to a wider audience. I'm happy you enjoy it :D comments like this are the real payoff!
This is a period of Magic history that I know little about because I stopped playing just as the Urza block and 6th Edition came in. So it is absolutely fascinating to learn about how midrange came to be a dominant archetype over the rock, paper, scissors of control, combo and aggro. It might have taken you longer than other videos but I think it was absolutely worth it.
Thank you :) we are starting work on a series this week that focuses specifically on the pre 2001 (so mostly overlaping the time you played). I hope you enjoy those as well
This is such a cool video, your enthusiasm adds so much, and of course Reid's as well. You just can't not smile when he talks about Magic, his love for the game just overflows from his expression
I had the pleasure of meeting and playing against duke at a local PTQ. He's the nicest fellow and one of my favourite players of all time. I'll never forget the Peach Garden Oath!
Yes please continue with this monographs on archetypes! By the way, as we are seeing in standard and pioneer, midrange decks are ultra alive and popular. The rakdos one is basically a jund without green, like the rock was a jund without red :)
Find all the decklists mentionned here: bit.ly/445z6vq
I can't wait for your 100k subs video!! ❤ Congratulation!!
@@andyony2 thank you! :D we'll be working on it this week. I hope it will deliver 😅 anything specific you would like to see in it? :)
@@CardmarketMagic I am very sure, you will nail it! And pls, no pressure :)
Would love to see like a recap of the past 2-3 years, when the channel finally started to go through the roof thanks to you ;)
Otherwise: You are far more creative than me, when it comes to great video ideas :D
Worst support ever, you pay money for support and get no help in return
Keep doing it!
No way! You got Reid on?! These "history of" with archetype experts are some my favourite content. And Reid is the communities darling ofc, everyone loves him!
Reid is one of the best example rolemodels of a great magic tournament player. He is very respectful to his opponents, always calm and collected and has just a ton of charm to go with his super-tight magic play.
I played him in a 3v3 team grand prix, though I wasn't matchup up with him directly. He was extremely friendly and approachable and ofcourse beat the hell out of my teammate that had to face him in his 1v1 games. (with magic cards, not fisticuffs)
My guess is he logged into his computer to make a video about Jund and immediately received an email from Reid who's Tarmogoyf senses had begun to tingle.
his basically the only magic player who hasnt cheated his way to the top.
@@WhatisAPaladin LSV?
this video is everything I want from a Magic retrospective. well done!
I'm truly overjoyed that you enjoyed it :)
Cardmarket magic is on a mad streak of banger videos recently! These history vids, the standard tournament, and the Remy collab vids have been awesome. Keep it up you guys!
This
To be honest, even as a new subscriber, there is also a small backlog of very nice videos to watch as well. For sure these deck archetype videos are among the best, as is the best deck of all time tournament series. They all celebrate Magic, not just as a fun cardgame, but also as a professional sport with a history that is worth diving into.
@@pinobluevogel6458The bread and butter is their VS series (often featuring pros like Mengu and Huschenbeth). Definitely watch them back
i love when carl just talks about magic, legit its just entertaining. His enthusiasm makes it easy to pay attention
Seeing duke smile while he’s explaining his achievements is so heart warming tbh what a legend
There is a reason he's in the Hall of Fame :) that man is a treasure
Perfection.
Over the last year or so, this channel has exploded in quality and amount of content it's incredible.
That's very kind of you to say :) it's been a conscious decision to publish less videos but to put much more effort into every individual video
Smart decision. You guys have created some real quality here.
"They're casting that Bloodbraid Elf to feel young again."
Carl, I thought we were talking about midrange decks and not aggro damage straight at my heart
I'm sorry 😅 if it's any consolation, I also play Bloodbraid Elf to remember what youth feels like :P
This ain't no simple video, it's basically a documentary on the history of Jund. Terrific content, best Magic channel on youtube by far.
That is so kind of you to say :D thank you!
Yes thats literally what the video is...
Love love love it!
Hence the title!
These deep dives into the history of deck archetypes are A+++ content! Along with the clash of World Champion deck series, this channel is posting bangers non-stop. Well worth the effort. Congratulations.
Thank you :D that's so kind of you to say. I hope you also enjoy the future stuff we are working on!
So good to see another of these videos! They're some of the best MTG content on youtube. The work put in definitely shows.
Cardmarket is honestly making some of the best magic content. There is always a good mix of humor and depth in all the videos!
Thank you! That is very kind of you to say :)
Cardmarket with yet another banger video. Pure quality!
I only started playing Magic recently, but your storytelling gave me the hit of nostalgia anyways. Chills.
That's such high praise! :D thank you
As someone who has only started to get into limited formats after playing commander for about a year, this was an incredible video and the intro and discussion with Reid is really helping to jumpstart my interest in playing a format like Standard, Modern, Pioneer, or something similar. Thank you so much for all your hard work, and for the excellent content!!!
Watch Reid play Jund and you'll learn so much about it. He really is the master of the archetype
As a Yu-Gi-Oh player who has recently gotten into Magic, this was super interesting and the video quality is insane!
Whenever Reid Duke is smiling all is right in the world. His smile needs to be protected at all costs
Hearing Carl narrate all of this is so surprisingly soothing. I was hooked on to the screen from the first word. I remembered playing jund, winning 2 tournaments and had to sell it off, as I was in a rough place back then. Such a fun time, thank you Carl!
Holy smokes, this video is amazing! Interesting note: back in a days we never called The Rock deck by this name in our local community. This deck was always named by the name of it's creator - Malka. New players always asked why this deck has such a weird name!
"Yeah jund is basically dead. Nobody plays it anymore."
"For real. When was the last time you queued it up even?"
"Huh? Oh I was playing it when we got on this call."
This series has become one of my favorites in all of magic youtube. Great conntent and awesome guests.
I would love to see one on Death and Taxes or in the story of tempo decks (Delver, UB Faeries, Murktide, etc)
Those are the two decks/archetypes I'm torn between for the next one!
Because you asked so nicely at 3:06 and because I love this kind of content, I'll subscribe
Thank you! I'll make sure to deliver on the content so that sub is worth it for you :)
There's a lot to love about this video, but I especially like the creative editing choices. Really hoping cardmarket makes more of these!
Thank you! :) I am indeed planning to make another one. They just take me so much longer, so I cannot pump them out as fast. I have to work on our other videos. Which archetype would you like to see next?
@@CardmarketMagic I'm a sucker for boomer modern decks so tron would be dope!
My only nitpick on the video (and its a small one, since this video actually got the source of The Rocj's name correct, unlike many) is that Napster was called such because A: once the list was online anyone would be able to get it, and B: with 4x Vamp Tutors in the main, you could always get what you wanted when you wanted it, just like when using Napster in the late 90's
As a die-hard Jund player, this was a wonderful video to watch!
JUND 'EM OUT, AND HAVE FUN DOING IT! 🤘
Okay, this was the best video I watched in a long time and I really got sentimental. Bommer Jund was my pet deck in the 2013 Legacy-GP in Strasbourg and it got me really far. It was basically the shell you guys were talking about with Deathrite Shamans, Tarmogoyfs, Punishing Fire + Grove Combo, Liliana, Thoughtseize, Abrupt Decays and Dark Confidants. God, I loved this deck. I went 8:1 on day one, and sadly did misplay on day 2 and got the 33rd place. After the Deathrite ban the deck died and I sadly had to change. But deep down in my heart, this deck will always be one of my favorites. As you said, good honest matches. Thank you for this amazing video, please keep on going with this quality content.
33rd in a GP is honestly a very solid finish! I'm happy you enjoyed the video :) it was nostalgic for me too. So many memories connected to that deck
Reid is such an amazing person. Thank you for this content!
Video quality keeps ramping up! Well done!
Thank you :)
Seriously the best MtG content out there. Huge props
Thank you! That is very kind of you to say :)
The jund staples are my favorite cards forever. Sleeving this feeling like an underdog as a player in 2015 and finishing 2nd at a PTQ are some of my best MTG memories.
This series is continuing to be one of my most looked forward to videos. Wonderful analysis and insight that both old and new players could get to appreciate, and just the amount of work and love in these is palpable. Can't wait for the next one!
Thank you that's so kind of you to say :D what archetype or piece of history would you like to see next?
What I love about this kind of archetype is that it is the epitome of fair Magic, there is no big combo, no "my third land is a tapland so I lose to the rushdown", no lockpieces that say "you don't get to play". It is more like "everyone gets to play, first one to run out of resources loses" that generates longer, more interactive games that are a blast to play.
This is an incredible video, on one of the most incredible decks which is defining to magic. Well done.
Thank you :)
As you requested. Please keep making these videos. 1. They're awesome and entertaining. 2. It's important to document the history behind these decks. If MTG sticks around it'll be because younger players WANT to play MTG. Similar to how speedruns of N64 games have millions of views; people want to know the history of what they enjoy. It's why people often refer to their hobbies as passions. This channel and your efforts are wonderful examples of someone passionate about the game and what it brings to the (kitchen) table.
That's truly very kind of you to say :D thank you! Is there an archetype or a specific part of MTG history you would like to see covered in the next one?
@@CardmarketMagic your most recent challenge episode highlighting best standard decks across the ages was phenomenal. If you wanted to investigate something I would suggest the evolution of Control decks!
I love this series! Could you do the Death and Taxes archetype next?
Or White Weenie in general!
That would be a great one! Who would you have interviewed for D&T?
@@CardmarketMagic Surprise me!
This video is so great. From the perspective of someone who started playing magic in 2008 it’s nice to know all the history before I even got into the game. Now it’s 2023 it’s nice to see the love of magic is still very strong.
Came into this not expecting to like it as much as the regular gameplay (since it’s so high quality), but I found it very interesting and engaging throughout. Would love to see more of these!
Reid said it best. It’s not a bad thing to have a green based creature deck as the best deck. Jund never felt unconquerable and it promotes healthy play patterns. There’s always gonna be a best deck, at least Jund plays magic as Garfield intended 🖤💚❤️
Well, one thing this may have gotten wrong is how far back the evaluation really was. Based on the narrative, it touched only the golden years, the first 5 years, and did not even took on the Black Summer of 96.
See i'm one of the old skul guys,and i can attest to how big "The Dojo" was and how it deffined future netdecking.
For atarters BG was a staple then, limited only by the availability of the dual lands. This was possibly the fastest deck around that time, with a Dark Ritual , Juzam and Ernham finishing off in 3 turns.
BR and RG were also prominent. It was actually Blue who do not have a good presence. White is also dominant for reasons it is a foil in the meta dominated by Black and Red.
BR and RG both have a home with Landkill (you call it Ponza now). Its not very evidently used in tourneys because players "dont want to get hated on"....yes, players has a love and hate relationship with LandKill decks. BR only weakness was enchantments, for which Nev Disk was a powerfull staple then.
Finally, RG is the 2nd fastest next to Bayou (BG) esp. with ouchland (you now call it painlands) in friendly colors of B&R in Sulfuruos Springs. Its was the most versatile and fast deck with fast mana critters of both G and R (Orcish Lumberjack) and answer to critters, artifacts and enchantment, again the only foil coming from White.
And lest you forget, after the Black Summer before Urzas, there was Pros/Drain/Bloom that got intermitently banned.
This is a nice take, but it lacks more depth. '94 to '99 was not the Stone-Age. Before Combo Winter there were already more variety, unlike how modern players "thought" it now due to a narrow and lack of legit older viewpoint. Do you even know what preceded "The Dojo", unless you live the era, you will know coz it aint searchable that far back with the internet😏
I mean, i get trying to paint jund as the underdog, but hand disruption and cascading felt pretty scummy for the longest time
My favorite Modern deck and my favorite MTG player, which funnily enough were unrelated in me finding and liking either of them. Great to see Reid here with all of his classic Jund matches and knowledge of this deck and all its intracacies throughout the years.
As someone who has Korvold as his commander, I loved reading about Jund and it’s history in MTG. The fact was Midrange was not even an archetype before and now it feels like the majority of standard decks is amazing.
Another great deck history video, these are really awesome to watch and extremely well produced!
I remember clearly back in the standard Jund days, I optimistically designated my deck as one with a good Jund matchup, conceding some amount to other decks at the time. But even my overloaded with value, filled with great early interaction, Grixis control list struggled to even beat the deck that I had specifically designed it to beat.
There was a reason control decks weren't played much at the time, a big one being that even just the Jund deck by itself could also just overload you with value plays that traded 2 for 1, while also pressuring you with solid beatdown.
Looking back at it, even though it was a menace of a deck, I still really enjoyed playing the format at the time, which was soon being replaced with all kinds of Jace, the Mind Sculptor decks with broken equipment and some amount of Eldrazi Conscription lists. Standard went frustrating after this for quite some time. I clearly remember the Jund era as one of the longer times in history where standard was an enjoyable format to both play and design decks for, especially on a budget.
re: Combo Winter -- Probably the best example of the decks of the time was Brian Hacker's Pro Tour Rome deck. He kept a no-land hand, played Gustha's Scepter (a card that I'm sure most people have never heard of), passed, and then on his next turn was able to generate enough mana to deck out his opponent with Stroke of Genius.
(Hacker would also probably be a great topic for another historical MtG video. He built one of the first White Weenie decks, developed the idea of playing with 16-18 lands 5-8 spells 14-19 creatures in limited, invented the term "beatdown", and was just a major innovator in drafting. Though he's far enough in the Dark Ages of Magic that it might be hard getting much exact info.)
Anywho, great video as always! You said the historical videos take a while, but I think they're definitely worth it. Please keep 'em up!
The production quality these deep dive videos have (as well as the quality and pace of the narrator and guests) is honestly mind blowing. Probably the single best MtG videos in RUclips. Outstanding work!!!
Thank you :D I put a lot of effort into these, so I'm truly thrilled that you appreciate them!
Right in the feels. I never realize how much of my life has been linked to Magic till I see a video like this. Those were the days. When in doubt, Jund 'em out!
1:50 great basic archetype breakdown. Wish I'd watched this when i started playing.
I love the history series. Please keep it up! Deaths Shadow/Delver, Burn, WW, Fairies (Tribes), and possibly the next best option, Urza Tron. I’d love to see them all but Tron has a great history, beginning with Tooth and Nail for Darksteel Citadel and Sundering titan, UTron with Memnarch, back to Gtron adopting KikiJiki Titan and Platinum Angel and Leonin Abunas. After that, dozens of versions spawn, Blightsteel Collosus, Karn (7) Eldrazi, Toolbox Karn (4) with and without mycosyth, etc. I think it’s perfect for this series.
I've had a bit of an off and on relationship with Magic, so I get a little lost on some of the terminology in your other videos. This is perfect for me to get that background I've been missing. Love this format!
I'm happy to help fill in the gaps :) MTG does indeed have a complex history and we forget about it sometimes when we talk and shortcut and use expressions that might be incomprehensible to some players. We really should be keeping that more in mind 😅
This format is one of my favs. Carl really shines in these passion-fueled montages and is really great at explaining decks via telling a story
As someone who started playing magic in ~2015, I love these kinds of videos, they’re a such a cool glimpse into what the game used to be like!
Jund mid range is my favorite deck of all time and Reed is the GOAT of this deck. Amazing video.
I've been into TCGs, CCGs, and DCCGs for years and that easily the best explanationation of the four core archetypes I've ever heard. Such a simple, clear descriptor. Awesome video.
Thank you :) that's really kind of you to say
This was beautiful, I've always strived to be robust, consistent and efficient, much like my preferences in Magic decks. Jund being the forerunner
You guys' channel has very quickly gone from "Oh neat, cardmarket has a youtube channel" to one of my favorite channels on the entire platform. You guys are so knowledgeable, charismatic, and fun to watch every single time you upload these days. I always look forward to whatever comes next! ♡
That's really truly kind of you to say! I'll do my best so we keep entertaining you and keep you along for the ride :) Thank you
The RDW video had the most engaging script. Love the narrative flair it had. But, nonetheless, this video is still awesome and this series is the best, Karl!
I really love these deep dive videos man, here is a comment for the algorithm, so we can see more of these type videos in the future
Thank you for your contribution to the algorithm gods! :)
It's always a treat to see a history episode made so entertaining and still get the lesson across.
I never comment on anything, but dude, Carl, you guys are killing it. This has become my favorite MTG channel.
Regardless of popularity you have to sell these videos internally as giving Cardmarket/the channel prestige. They really make you guys shine.
Thank you for making an exception, and saying such nice things! :D I love doing these so they won't stop, but I cannot roll them out as often because I have to spend my time making the other videos on the channel. What archetype or part of MTG history would you like to see covered in the next video?
First time I've subbed to something on RUclips in years. I mostly stopped playing MTG 2 years ago, but I have still been watching all of the Cardmarket Magic content I could find over the past 3 months. You guys do a really great job and I really appreciate the quality and fun found in these video's! Hoping you get all the success you deserve! :)
This is by far your best video, and it's one of the best magic videos out there in all. A+
This is hands-down the BEST MTG channel on youtube.
That's so kind of you to say :)
This is the type of content I wish there was more of. Fantastic job. And getting Reid to talk about the deck that made him an icon was so awesome to see. Thank you.
I miss Deathrite era Jund so much; I was a Living End player, and because they had Deathrite, Jund players were skimping on the graveyard hate that actually had a chance at beating me. Oh, and the deck was everywhere. It was barrel fishing season and I loved it.
Please never stop these videos! They are awesome and rly fun to watch + you're actually learning a lot about the history of this great game
I'm happy you enjoy them :) is there an archetype or point in magic's history you would like to see in the next one?
This is actually one of the coolest vids you've made so far. Please do more! There is a tonne of similar videos you could do too, even just covering strange/crazy meta's and the decks that spawned (like the aforementioned combo winter for example). The whole thing was enthralling to watch
I'm happy you enjoyed it :) is there an archetype or Era you'd particularly like to see covered in the next one?
@@CardmarketMagic yoo a coverage of Jace TMS and the caw blade meta would be sick. Including how stoneforge mystic got banned despite being in a precon (which was still legal except it had to be the exact 60 cards of the precon) and how Jace finally got banned like a couple weeks before he rotated. Or actually birthing pod and its lifetime in standard and modern would be sick, not to mention splinter twin! And its ridiculous banning at the time and the fact its been locked away unfairly since "just for being popular" and not necessarily overpowered. Damn and this is just the stuff i remember from back in my days, theres tonnes more i don't know about, going pre time spiral before i started
Please make more of these videos! We appreciate the effort you've put in and yeah it's just good to be able to give people context for mad rambles
Jund is the deck I played and I only started playing Modern about two years ago. I guess what drew me to it was that every matchup feels skill based, and I love that about it. If I win I almost always feel like I deserved it and if I lose I always feel like I deserved it. I could definitely be playing Murktide and be enjoying my experience but I think I prefer the cleanness of succeeding with Jund. Obviously I'm only playing locals and state size events, but it's what brings me fun in the game.
This was so well done! Videos like this are fascinating for me since I'm a long time player who only ever did kitchen table magic and was completely isolated from the meta, culture, and archetypes of Magic. Turns out that when I learned to play I liked aggro (hello Elvish Rage precon) but as I've gotten older and played more I have gone more and more midrange. Thanks for such a well produced video!
Thank you for your kind words :) it's so wild how you have two different worlds around the same game, in parallel, unaware of each other. The competitive players and the casual players
I literally tried to describe Jund to all the youngsters in my area and couldn't get them to understand. Now I can point here. Thanks!
And here I've been in commander trying to play this kind of style for the last 10 years with a mono-black zombie deck.
Good thing CardMarket is here to let you teach. 😎
Reid Duke is the forerunner, the all father, the biggest fan of Jund… I love this video.
WELCOME TO THE JUND-GLE BABY!!!! these videos are what separetes you from other magic card channels, and honestlly without them life is not so good, to keep them up, cause we need them
I initially learned to play Magic when Alara block started in Standard, so any highlights of Jund are a definite watch. I loved my Jund Predator Dragon deck, despite me being very bad at Magic.
I don't know where this channel came from but it's awesome and refreshing.
Thank you for the hard work and fantastic content.
This is the best "hiostory" video so far !!! Great job... KEEP IT UP !!!
Reid Duke with LSV are two of the best pro players that change magic for "all" players !!!
The printing of Deathrite was something else. Pro Tour R2R was my first and I hedged on the wrong golgari rare from that set - Lotleth Troll. Had been watching Michael Jacob and Cedric Phillips stream while I was testing and Geralf's Messenger had been putting in work in his Jund deck. I figured Lotleth and Messenger would let me also play Gravecrawler, to make opposing Lillianas in the jund mirror look silly. Only a fraction of the field had Deathrite but boy was that the play.
This was fun. Really happy to see these history for decks video, and definitely looking forward to seeing more of it.
"You'll still see players turning tarmogoyfs sideways and ticking up lillianas at modern events with pouches under their eyes, but they're not doing that for the cash prizes, they're casting that bloodbraid elf to feel young again"
Goddamn that's a heavy line. Fantastic video!! Awesome to see Reid Duke in this. If you do another one, I'd love to see a white weenie/death and taxes history with Craig Wescoe, if that were possible, or maybe a Splinter Twin postmortem.
Death & Taxes will probably be the next one :) and don't worry, I'm one of those players ticking up Lilis with pouches under my eyes :P
This is an amazing video! Thanks for the MTG history breakdown and for interviewing Reid
I was at that GP in Miami where Reid won with Jund. That was probably my favorite standard format ever. Jund and all the UWx decks with Sphinx's Revelation.
Got pointed to this by Rhystic Studies and now I've watched all three. Fantastic stuff, I hope you're able to continue making these deep dives!
I *love* these deep dive videos - both for the nostalgia, and for showing to my best friend who I'm getting into the game!
I'm happy you enjoy them :) is there a specific archetype you'd like to see in the next one?
@@CardmarketMagic Ooh, interesting question. I think looking at the evolution of the Izzet turn-four deck going from Splinter Twin to Delver to Murktide might be interesting!
Tron could also be a fun one...
Nice work man. Great retrospective and big assist to Reid "I was playing Jund forty five minutes ago" Duke. Glad i found ya.
Excellent video, I really love these MTG history lessons. And as cherry on top even with the duke of Jund himself! Truely amazing content, thanks for making this.
I just picked up the new Jund precon from MH3, watched this video, and man you killed it. Thank you for the lore and the passion. Cant wait to see what you got next!
As a former Spiritmonger era Rock player, I found this video completely awesome! I now have a jund food deck, which I think is such a cool deck to play and have fun.
Super interesting, never knew that the idea of a mid-range deck was such a relatively new concept. I remember we all played with mid-range like decks in 95 (without releasing it). We just put the best cards we had in a deck and traded mainly to find the right colour 😂 A lot of 93/94 decks now are actually mid-range decks. You don't see a lot of Jund in OS, but it does give you access to Xira which is pretty sweet. Anyway, getting sidetracked, thanks for making these and great to have Duke in here.
I can't describe how much I love this kind of content, I hope we get more of this, keep up the Nice work!!
This video was fantastic, please do more of these lmao. Jund is my all time favorite deck, I started playing in alara right as Jund became super popular so it holds a special place in my heart as being THE deck for my first 5 years of the game. Great work!
Awesome start to the video. Really draws in attention setting up the archetypes for the midrange talk.
Really fun look at the history of Midrange decks. I've always loved them since they're the sort of deck you would naturally build as kid just picking out good and cool cards.
Caaaaarrrrrlllll
Would it please be possible to make more videos like this? Deep dives into specific deck archetypes? I think miracles would be amazing with the new Aminatou spoilered
I love the content the channel makes. All of it is fun, informative, and silly. I'd think it would also be amazing to have a more in depth history video like was done here once every month or few months
Fantastic video! Thank you so much for the content!!!
The quality of the content the last 9 months have been so good and I've watched nearly every episode. Before that I only watched I few different picks. So good work 👌😃
That's the goal :) I decided to put a lot more work into every episode and to try to make them more appealing to a wider audience. I'm happy you enjoy it :D comments like this are the real payoff!
This is a period of Magic history that I know little about because I stopped playing just as the Urza block and 6th Edition came in. So it is absolutely fascinating to learn about how midrange came to be a dominant archetype over the rock, paper, scissors of control, combo and aggro. It might have taken you longer than other videos but I think it was absolutely worth it.
Thank you :) we are starting work on a series this week that focuses specifically on the pre 2001 (so mostly overlaping the time you played). I hope you enjoy those as well
@@CardmarketMagic I'm sure I will, it's a rare Cardmarket video I don't enjoy!
That bonfire flip at the end made me nostalgic. Great video!
This is such a cool video, your enthusiasm adds so much, and of course Reid's as well. You just can't not smile when he talks about Magic, his love for the game just overflows from his expression
Yeah Reid just lights up when he talks about magic. How could you not want to make a 30-minute video about jund after talking to that guy? :D
I had the pleasure of meeting and playing against duke at a local PTQ. He's the nicest fellow and one of my favourite players of all time. I'll never forget the Peach Garden Oath!
Yes please continue with this monographs on archetypes!
By the way, as we are seeing in standard and pioneer, midrange decks are ultra alive and popular. The rakdos one is basically a jund without green, like the rock was a jund without red :)