Tzeentch is the kinda God that will burst forth from a bush anytime something happens exclaiming "JUST AS PLANNED" despite knowing full well he did nothing and is mearly stealing credit. Tzeentch is a "that kid"
@@pancreasnowork9939 Bro, if only you knew the outright bullshit Belakor can do with more demons. he doesn't even need to attack you. he can just make demons hurt you and some of those demons can summon more demons to hurt you. It is shenanigans.
The reason why the Thousand Sons always get shit on is because if they were written realistically they would obliterate almost everyone sent against them. They're basically like Eldar Space Marines. Actually, them losing constantly suddenly makes sense now. Also you should do a collab with Rouga Rabid, he's cool.
This is the epitome of my love/hate relationship with TSons. Being able to casually pop Custodes like grapes is sick. Having to constantly get screwed over by bad writing because their very concept is too overpowered is _not,_ however, sick.
Imagine being gifted with magic and some health and safety inspector tells you it's 'unsafe' and 'irresponsible' to bend physics over your knee harder than Russ did with Magnus's spine.
@@al-mungus677 if the MASTER OF MANKIND THE GREATEST PSYKER EVER tells you not to do what he is god tier at then. you. DONT. Its like ignoring Kobe himself when he tells you not to do something in basketball who art thou to say otherwise
The story in question: "Magnus the Red knelt before his brother, eye to eye. His voice softened. 'Pull your men back from the tower, Konrad. You think me too proud to compromise? I am not. Not over a matter so vital, for knowledge so critical. Give me two weeks to comb the depths of this trove, to separate the truth from the harmful lies. I will destroy anything that bears the stain of deceit, myself.' The claws slashed free. They slid back into their vambrace housings. They slashed back out again. 'Do not do this,' Magnus pressed. 'Do not commit this lore to flame.' Konrad Curze lifted his dark eyes to meet his brother's halved gaze. 'I will brook no compromise. I will give no ground. The library will burn.' 'Brother.' Magnus' voice was a strangled plea. 'Let me send word to our father first. Let his word be the judgement we seek. He would never wish this library destroyed, I promise you. And I will remain with you while we wait. Neither I, nor my sons, will enter the Tower of Serenity until the Emperor sends his blessing.' 'How confident you are,' the Night Haunter replied. He had gone back to looking down at his hands. The claws slashed out yet again. 'I am,' Magnus confessed, passion giving heart to his tone. 'I am, brother. For decades even before my rediscovery and Prospero's welcome into the Imperium, I spoke with father across the tides of the Great Ocean. Mind to mind, soul to soul.' 'Soul.' Curze's chuckle was the rasp of a saw blade across bone. 'Soul. You talk such pretty nonsense, brother. Spirits and tutelaries and Great Oceans and souls.' Magnus rose to his feet. Gold flashed as he turned away in regret. Curze's anaemic visage settled into a miserable mask of indulgence. 'Do you believe you are the only one to have spoken with father? That you alone know his wishes and his secrets, and what he desires us to achieve out here? Tell me truly, Magnus - do you honestly think we are all nothing but fools, capering in your shadow?' The Crimson King's features hardened, as did his voice. 'I speak of revelation and vision, and you speak petty words of bitterness. Brother, I'd hoped for so much more. Was your hunger to destroy not sated with the massacres you inflicted upon the people of this world?' 'Massacres,' Curze murmured the words, 'that you did not stop. Massacres that spared ninety per cent of this world's population and reached compliance in half the time Guilliman had estimated. So do not object to my "massacres'", and do not speak the word as if it were some filthy sin.' Magnus would not be cowed. 'The campaign was yours to prosecute as you saw fit. But this library, this lore…' 'That word again. Lore. You clutch at it, investing it with preciousness, holding it out before you as a talisman. What will you do with this lore, Magnus? Take it back to Prospero? Set it free for all to learn and know, believing you enrich their lives?' Magnus said nothing at first. He looked upon his brother, feeling the cold creep of unwelcome revelation. 'Such hate,' he said, almost in disbelief. 'Such depths of selfish hate.' Curze grunted beneath that gaze, looking back down at his gauntlets. The claws retracted once more, then flashed free yet again. 'It isn't spite that binds me to this course of action,' the Night Lords primarch said softly. The knowledge in that spire is the crown jewel of a corrupt culture. Their beliefs should be destroyed to aid compliance and prevent a backslide into heathenism. Obedience is what matters, Magnus. They will be taught to obey. Through obedience, they will become Imperial.' 'No, Konrad.' Sensing a chance for unity, Magnus matched his tone to his brother's. 'You may be right about the people of this world, but not the knowledge they've accrued. Let me take it to the Emperor. That's all I ask.' 'I've already told you. I will brook no compromise. I will give no ground. Drop the kine shield around the Tower of Serenity, for if your warriors seek to maintain the barrier once bombardment begins, I can't promise they will remain unharmed.' 'You wouldn't,' Magnus sighed. 'Even your murderous clan wouldn't open fire on their own brothers.' Curze looked up at his brother, his expression much the same as Sevatar's had been when the first captains spoke on the surface of Zoah. 'All you prove,' Curze said, 'is how little you know me. Sevatar, give the order to open fire.' Magnus' remaining eye widened. He reached out a hand. 'Brother-' 'This is Sevatar,' the Night Lord spoke across the vox network. 'Open fire on the tower. Bring it down.' 'Brother!' Magnus called, then… ceased. He tensed, wincing as he felt the impacts begin on the psychic shield his sons had raised around their treasure. Several of the Thousand Sons present grunted and staggered in psionic sympathy. Curze's claws retracted and deployed in the momentary silence. 'When the Emperor came to my world, he brought light to Nostramo, a world that had never seen the sun. He brought the light of knowledge, Magnus. Suddenly, my people could see the wider galaxy around them. They could perceive other worlds and other cultures, city after city that didn't dwell in the endless dark. Civilisations of peace and laughter. That knowledge didn't free them, brother. It shackled them. It wrapped them in misery. Nostramo heaves with their sorrow, that the cost of their peace is fear and blackness. My people suffer in my absence. Law breaks down as they fight their bindings. And why? Because of knowledge. Because a well-meaning teacher brought a perspective they weren't yet ready to know.' Magnus' features were tight with concentration. Even so, he shook his head, his voice breathy with realisation. 'You are a hateful, blind creature. The Emperor will hear of this.' Curze didn't gloat. He didn't even smile. 'How long can you hold that barrier for, Magnus?' 'Forever, if I wish it.' Now it was Magnus speaking through clenched teeth. 'Forever and a day.' Curze still didn't smile, though did his eyes glint with cold mirth? It seemed, to at least one observer, that they did. 'And how long before your legionaries begin to wear out from exhaustion? How long before accidents occur, and all of those detonating shells kill your sons on the ground? A day? A week? A month? I have the ammunition. Or I could pull my warriors back, and open fire with the Nightfall. How long would you keep your Thousand Sons on the surface then? This only ends one way, Magnus. My way. I would rather you stood with me, and prevented bloodshed. Your men don't deserve to die for their misguided optimism.' Magnus nodded, the gesture one of acceptance if not agreement. 'I will remember this, Konrad. I promise you, I will remember this.' 'Good,' said Curze. 'Lessons should be remembered. That is why they are taught in the first place.' 'Ah.' Now Magnus smiled. His regal features were a poor foundation for malice, but there was nothing warm in that smile 'A lesson, is it? Bold words, from a man that just claimed ignorance was bliss.' Curze's jaw tightened; the most emotion he'd shown thus far. 'I will hold fire for thirty minutes. Get your Legion off the ground. The tower falls in half an hour.'"
Thanks! Is there some context we're missing here that makes Magnus sound unreasonable? Konrad makes a good point, Magnus is kinda hamstringing the whole "dogmatic fascistic imperium" thing by being educated, because it's way easier to control people if you withhold key knowledge that would make them realize how they're being oppressed. But is being a bad fascist a bad thing? It just means he's a bad imperial because his values conflict with the project he was dragged into, not incompetent. And also the conversations is pretty heavily implying the fighting is pretty much done and the world's just about conquered after a pretty swift campaign with more than 1 legion present, so they've got it covered.
@@kylejohnson6775 I mean, Magnus has always been reckless with knowledge and the warp. It is not just ideology, it is ignoring his father (the Emperor) and mentor (Amon) warning about being careful with the Warp and knowledge. Some things you are better off not knowing. Magnus is too blind and idealistic about the Imperium in one way. He's also willing to sacrifice people, as shown in one pre-Heresy book where he put a latent psyker through agony for more knowledge about the warp. The Khan has a stronger case where he understands that the Imperium would fight itself, he's not welcomed and best to treat the warp very cautiously. Hence taking a sip.
@@kylejohnson6775 Also I do not think it's just fascism. The Imperium doesn't just parody religious extremism and fascism, it covers all. Feudalism, stalinism,... In fact the Kriegs have more in common with French and Armageddon Steel Legion with Russians than Germans of both world wars. The orks actually mirror the ww2 germans a lot more.
@@TSInfiMa-r6z I mean, in that exchange it seemed like Konrad was just his broken self that is bitter about not having it as "easy" as Magnus on his own world, projecting his misery outward onto other people to cope. Magnus wanted to at least have someone look through the content of the library to see if there was anything worth preserving in there, and konrad just didnt want to cooperate, so they fought about it like 2 manbabies. For all we know they could have some actually important books about some technology or another being in there but long forgotten by its inhabitants.
11:46 it's not even that. They were stopped repeatedly by the police, concerned neighbours, a near-accident, and so many more things, yet the next chance they got they jumped right back into the car and this time they hit an orphanage.
16:48 I actually kinda like that moment from Ahriman. The Ynnari didn't throw him in, he went in himself. They've been back for a matter of minutes and dude does not hesitate to THROW HIMSELF INTO HELL to try and save his brothers. That's worth *something*.
say what you will about Ahriman but him regretting and actually trying to fix his actions is way more interesting than the 100 bad guy marines who are more or less the same as any other character in their faction
The Thousand Sons are the equivalent of That One Guy doing 10 over the speed limit and weaving through traffic in a blizzard that you then pass 2 miles later as he's standing on the side of the road looking at his car in the ditch wondering what happened.
That's more commander's fault for having a busted card like Sol Ring as a must have for every deck rather than Magnus being busted. He's pretty tame as far as 5 cost commanders go, honestly.
Not according to BL writers. "Yes I can totally tell these pink armored jittery crack fiends about Chaos. There's no way the Emperor's Children could be corrupted by our immortal archnemesis!" -Eldrad apparently...
first they came after the space wolves, and i said nothing because i am not a space wolf then they came after Brettonia, and i said nothing because i am not Brettonian Now they come after the Thousand Sons, and no one is left to speak for me
Reminds me of a quote from John Stewart: "Hey I didn't do anything, I was just the magician invited to the Bar Mitzvah, I pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and suddenly the whole party went outta control!"
"You were outplayed by the Ynnari, that's like getting outplayed by a class of violently crippled and brain-damaged kindergartners" Do I sense a 'The Ynnari Suck' video coming soon?
Mr Pancreas used the wrong army rule in the tabletop downsides section. Which compels me to comment and point that out. Which makes Mr Pancreas read it. Which forces him to spend more time reading about Tzeench’s chosen. *JUST* *AS* *PLANNED*
To be entirely fair though, the actual Cabal of Sorcerers rule is not really less of a tabletop downside than the rule presented in the video for two main reasons: 1) It's really uninteractive for your opponent (yes, I say that as a fellow TSons player) because they consist of "take a bunch of mortal wounds", "I can just reroll a save", I am speed", "fuck your armor" and "let me have this free strategem to fuck you over even more". 2) the rule itself force a TSons player to take units that can use this army rule (which over half of the datasheets cant btw) which in turn limits list variety by design, but since the army rule itself is quite strong when you have an army thats built around it (Magnus, Sorcs, Rubrics, Vortex Beasts, bird-goats on frisbees and Cultists), GW just end up nerfing TSons instead of realizing and addressing fundamental issue behind it.
"I hate Khorne. I hate the Space Wolves. I like Tomb Kings." Thousand Sons fan, feeling hope for the first time in decades "You think you know what's coming. But you don't."
@@Jan_IedemaThe Disciples of Tzeentch are way cooler than the Thousand Sons. Like all Chaos armies in AoS, they're a mix of daemons and mortals (instead of just MORE SPACE MARINES) and the best part, they have actual spells!
For the record all the thousand sons problems are someone else’s fault and the fact they suffer from nagash syndrome were if they ever win the setting is drastically shaken so they get treated like a doormat to preserve GWs money making status quo.
@@100th-centurionshow do you come to that conclusion? The information he had about the warp is that it’s incredibly dangerous and volatile and he just kept touching it till it bit him
6:28 to be fair, all research is a waste of resources...until it isn't and suddenly you have penicillin and nitrogen fertilizer and capacitive touch screens
Yeah but the problem is they are not researchers, they are soldiers. Magnus can easily send a million imperial soldiers to collect the relics while he goes conquering new planets and give everyone a good show of why you need wizards.
9:00 All I heard was pre-Heresy Sons combined the obsessive knowledge seeking of the modern Mechanicus with the post-Heresy tendency of the Dark Angels to abandon missions
Eldar: “Super psyker army reduced to finite numbers from horrible chaos tragedy of their own doing, *with pointy ears*” Thousand Suns: “Super psyker army reduced to finite numbers from horrible chaos tragedy of their own doing” Pancreas Conclusion? No pointy, no likey.
The most Thousand Son momment ever is when Magnus ,in the middle of a Civil war against his own father, when there are A bajillions live at risk , his Sons are Dying in Droves, his world burned , his Soul sold to a Space Slug ,and to him the most important thing that pass to his powerful mind is "Why are there wolves on Fenris?"
I believe the "there are no wolves on Fenris" thing is meant to be Magnus commenting on the hypocrisy that his legion is treated as dangerous and in need of censorship because they turn into monsters, when the Space Wolves literally turn into wolves. I'm not saying he's right, but I think that's what the point of it was. It's hard to say because Graham McNeill's writing sucks.
@@epicwaba6424he has a Hella valid point to be fair. The decrepit and rotten modern imperium have sanctioned psykers and librarians. They know about chaos and fight it constantly. Why wasn't his legion specifically trained and taught about chaos how to resist it etc? Honestly no character in Warhammer is written worse than EoM
@@epicwaba6424it’s one the most stupid things ever in lore that now every moron who just can’t tell how obviously dogshit that lore bit is now has to scream it to cope over fact their legion sucks. Like turning into werewolves of which they are way more likely to either be easily killed, not summon demons because of it and even be calmed down enough to still be used as shock troops fodder weapons. But if a space wizard goes crazy it’s becoming a chaos spawn which can either be portal summoning literally murder demons of mega hell or become uncontrollable tainted manifestation that even just looking at and comprehending it could infect and corrupt any normal mortal because chaos is a bitch. Not to mention we have lore bits like fact the 13th company literally ten thousand fucken years in the warp itself came back out of the warp and they are still basic werewolves wearing armor even smart enough to find and try help their allies in 40k. So anyone thinking for some reason the thunder wolves that existed on the planet before fucken space marines and primarchs even existed are just now neophytes that failed makes absolutely zero sense. But even after all of that it’s just completely irrelevant when he goes into chaos just all his sons and traitor marines are beyond fucked to unrecoverable degree so who cares, boohoo hairy man grows more muscule and grows more hair totally same as literally getting your soul sucked and evaporated and consumed by mega satans that corrupt everything around it even if you just know it or don’t even know of it because chaos is insane. Uhg I hate warhammer lore sometimes
18:43 What, did I miss something in my rules because to my knowledge that army rule DOESN'T EXIST, and on a peripheral search, HAS NEVER EXISTED. Please tell me if I'm wrong because I can't find anything.
This is what happens when you make a faction that remains static for 10,000 years. They suck and get way too predictable. The Sith went from Egyptian god-kings in the Tales of the Jedi era, to Space N*zis in the KOTOR/SWTOR era, and eventually became Illuminati-style plotters in the Prequels before returning to being Space N*zis in the Original Trilogy. The Jedi went from using both sides of the Force during the Rakatan era, to using only the Light Side but still allowing marriage in the Old Republic era, to becoming feudal lords in the New Sith Wars era, and finally, they ended up being the Republic's celibate priest-warriors in the Prequels before getting wiped out in Revenge of the Sith, in a manner similar as to how the Templars were wiped out by the Kingdom of France. The Protoss began as Spanish Conquistadores-type religious zealots who were the top of the food chain, to space hippies who wanted to make everything peaceful and be one with nature, especially after they made that religious compromise that allowed the Dark Templar into their society. The Covenant were introduced as a massive, powerful empire held together by a religious/technocratic bureaucracy, kind of like what would happen if the techpriests ran the Imperium of Man. Then they splinter apart into smaller states more reminiscent of jihadist bandit gangs rather than a proper empire, but they eventually find a second wind due to one of their gods actually being real and found alive, and the dude gives them Promethean technology. The Thousand Sons began as losers, and they're still losers, like most of Chaos is now.
@@Zwijger considering as soon as magnus did something put a giant fucken demon hole above fucken earth the craddle world of all of humanity which left the emperor, most the custodians and countless resources focusing that major fuck up. Had space wolves two titan legions, countless people die and fight all because his stupid red ass couldn’t pick up the phone and does absolutely nothing the one time he didn’t need too and even then he still fucked that up by at very last second when there is only thousand of his sons left and already so much dead and fucken titan legions and wasted resources are insanely high now he decides get off his giant red ass acting like he doing something cool then joins the very traitor that got him used and arguably reason any of this is happening for braindead reasons now he just killing countless innocents and ready to kill all of humanity and possibly the galaxy just because. Unironically if he just sat on his ass he would have done so much more for the galaxy
@@Wolfbroa Kinda getting sick of the "Magnus didn't pick up the phone" thing. Mofo how is he supposed to pick up the phone, WHEN RUSS HAS THE WRONG FUCKING NUMBER?! His dumbass dialed chaos, not magnus! He simply ASSUMED it was Magnus's number, just as he ASSUMED that the multiple very real warnings he got were just "one of Magnus's tricks to cause infighting lol". And just as he ASSUMED that Kasper Hawser was a spy for the thousand sons, when anyone could tell it's completely nonsensical for Magnus to send his equerry to dick wave the wolves "4thelulz" during the most important moment for all their kind. Not to mention that big E 10000% takes part of the blame for Magnus smashing up the webway project, imagine NOT telling your most psychically gifted son to A, not do deals/ever take ANY power/gift offered by anything or anyone in the warp and B, to not fuck with the big fuck off psychic wall around terra, might've been real nice to know all that before shit got so bad he was willing to take risks like that. Magnus did plenty wrong, but let's stop pretending like russ and big E didn't share a massive amount of said fuck ups.
@@kha4911 While we're on the subject, let's talk about the fact that the orders that were _hand-written by Big E himself_ said that Magnus and his Legion were to be arrested and brought to Terra to stand trial for their actions. While Russ, Valdor and the Censure Fleet (a not-so-great name for a band) were on their way to Prospero, they stopped to have a chat with Horus - who had already fallen to Chaos at this point - who told them that the orders had changed from "capture" to "kill every living thing on Prospero". Instead of going "Hmmm, this seems a bit sus," both Russ _and_ Valdor went "Seems legit" and proceeded to burn Prospero to the ground (after Russ' dumbfuckery trying to contact Magnus and deciding that not getting any response meant that it was okay to attack), which must have come as a hell of a surprise to the other Imperial forces on Prospero at the time... because oh yeah, there were other Imperial forces on Prospero who had no idea the Censure Fleet was coming and who Russ made no attempt to contact before launching his attack. These were also wiped out. And the Emperor's response to being told that a loyal planet had been Exterminatus'd and a formerly loyal (if kinda stupid) Legion had been driven into the arms of Chaos? Rather than the sensible "What the fuck? I told you clowns to arrest Magnus and bring him back for trial! Oh, Horus said that I'd changed my mind? Did he give you anything in writing- no? And _none of this_ caused any brain cells to spark to life?" there was a victory parade thrown in their honour. So let's throw Constantin Valdor onto that list of "people who were fucking stupid"
As a 30k player nothing gave me greater satisfaction than seeing the unrestrained bawling that TS players did at the new edition. And that's the thing about TS, they are either disgustingly broken due to the game editions mechanics or everyone forgets they exist, making them basically traitor iron hands.
Vistario: We will never be slaves of the Emperor again. Tzeench grants us power beyond mortals understanding! Rylanor: *FULGRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM* Vistario: Sir, yes sir, for the Imperium. **Shoots his own Raptorae**
Magnus KNEW there were predators in the Warp and he was warned both by Amon and by the Emperor that he should be wary. He wasn't and he broke everything.
He was actually. TS were actually really careful. BUT being as powerful and yes naive as he is and thinking he 'won' aganist a powerful entity he was rightfully sure of himself. Also big E is the WORST example you could give. A mAn steeped in magic
Ahriman has a face, he just too powerful to view him as common astartes without pariah's aura or disabling the sorcery (TS who will disable the sorcery, totally believable), ADB lied from his anime protagonist character's PoV, as always. Ahriman stood at the head of the altar, the azure blaze of his face upside down and hovering over Czevak’s own. [...] Ahriman shook him at the crystal ceiling of the pyramid pinnacle. His cerulean face contorted like an angry god - all eyes, teeth and wrath. [...] As the wrinkles radiated outward the face became still once more, but instead of Czevak’s features, the traitor’s face was now that of Ahzek Ahriman. The sorcerer beamed cerulean majesty and turned his demigod’s eyes on Czevak. [...] I strained my eyes, employing the trick of optical enhancement without giving it a second thought. However, despite being only fifty metres or so away from the stranger, I could not make out his facial features. It was as though he didn't have a real face at all. His skin seemed to shift and swim before my gaze. It was at once both pale as porcelain and dark as ash. It gave him an immense gravity, as though the entire planet was suddenly drawn into orbit around him, but it also made him seem entirely translucent and insubstantial. More than that, however, I found that I simply couldn't look at his skin for long enough to see it properly; my eyes kept slipping off his form, drawn into his own eyes like matter into dying stars. And they were such eyes! I could see no eyeballs; there were only complicated, intense blue infernos, flickering and spitting like shards of warp fire.
They should take a bunch of Rubric Marines and pour their dust into a suit of mega power armour that's 20 meters tall and punch titans. That would be cool.
The 1,000 sons look badass but they take more L's than stormstroopers. I really want to care for them but GW contractually obligates writters to shit on them at every turn.
"Hi yes, I would like to main an army of the Thousand Sons please." GW Employee: "Great! Here are seven hundred warp chickens with chainswords, the cool flying dragon engine from Space Marine 2, and about ten marines. That will be 500 dollars please and thank you."
What i find hilarious in its irony is how the lamest aspect of the Thousand Sons can become one of the most memed and charming traits of one of their unintended successor chapters via making the kleptomania trait a quirk that's opportunistic rather than the "halt a literal war to get the shiny thing" grandstanding the Thousand Sons used to do. The Blood Ravens are loved because they steal things in cheeky ways that don't outright interrupt the battles at hand (oftentimes it assists the battle by taking powerful objects away from the enemy), so they don't pause the plot of whatever is going on.
I headcanon theyre the legion magnus was to get as a replacement, I headcanon this about as firmly as pancreas headcanons Karl Franz as the Celestan Prime
The rule mentioned in this video is only for Boarding Patrol. The main rule for 40K is “Cabal of Sorcerers” which lets you kinda mimic the old psychic phase from 9th.
Who were worse for their alliance? Dark Angels when they heard there was a Fallen on the other side of the galaxy or the Thousands Sons when they heard the new Harry Potter book was out?
You say terrifying, I say magnificent. The missile ones are a pain, but the sword Terminators are one of my favorite enemies in the game, feels like a proper duel.
I like Magnus because of tts. So does my second oldest son. Our first episode we ever saw was the war in heaven, by far the most quotable and funniest episode.
Eldar: NNNOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BE THE BEST PSYKERS, YOU DIDN'T SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS EVOLVING TO BE SUPERIOR AND TRAINING WITH GODS, YOU'RE JUST, JUST, FILTHY MON'KEIGH THIS ISN'T FAAAIIIIRR Rubric Marine: haha smite go brrrrr
@@BattlerEvil I would want to see that. With a non biased author ,so we can how terrifying Eldrad is. I only heard a bit about him with how little either people don't talk about him or few good books devoted to Eldar. For how much I like Ahriman I think Eldrad wins if good writer who doesn't have space marine syndrome writes that book. I would like see a Jaded old elf who still thinks he can save the Eldar. Meet Ahriman a Jaded but naively optimistic space Wizard. I want to see the contrasts between them ,and how it plays out in there fight.
I distinctly remember when my buddy played Thousand Sons. He attempted to deep strike a squad of Terminators behind our like and then my Trajan Valoris decided to show them the error of their existence
Wow, You are bitter than Ahriman alone was strong enough to be a major Boss fight for the entire eldar race. Ahriman fought 90% of the named Eldar characters.
You know something literally everyone who was close to Magnus told him it was a bad idea to look too closely into the warp, perturabo destroying that device in front of magnus was trying to tell him that the warp is too dangerous, jaghatai warned him it was dangerous, his adoptive father told him it was too dangerous
Also bug thing - both Russ and his Space Wolves and Jagathai and his White Scars knew Warp was evil and dangerous even without Big E telling them. They just knew that cause it was part of their people’s lore and both WS and SW use psychic powers with a LOT of safeguards at every junction and with a TON of prejudice and superstitious mistrust. Which ironically makes them indeed safer than TS were.
I also play nids in Commander. It goes one of two ways, either I get to never play my big fun cards because everyone is terrified of toothy monster with large number or I absolutely curbstomp after quietly building up my military industrial complex because someone else brought a deck that's actively making everyone else miserable. It's usually the former. Hidden third option is spending 8 turns building up just for my board to get wiped
Pretty much for tabletop side of TS & Tzeentch. For a "God of Magic" faction, they dont have the ability to copy other player's warp ability. "Ooo, nice fireball, Salamander. My turn".
That time Magnus turned an entire world worth of people into corn, only to end up failing and getting punch in the face by Ragnar Blackmane. 1.5 seconds after begging to come out of the portal.
Thousand Sons lore is funky, cause The Emperor could've kept them close and elucidated as well as regulated, which he could've done, could've helped them remain loyal. Maybe, at least.
Don't get me wrong. The emperor is the worst father ever and did a lot of things terribly. But how he dealt with the a thousand sons and Magnus in particular not so much. All they had to do was listen. All they had to do was simply do as they were told but because they're so arrogant and believe they know best they damned themselves and they deserved it
"It's gonna get loud" - *doesn't even peak the mic* Man, I turned my volume down like "Alright, here we go!" aaaaaaand nothin'. Beyond the minor disappointment, that was a very enlightening video!
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Don't talk to me or my son(s) ever again
your just upset cause you couldn't play Eldar in MTG, you big baby
When the Emperor is revived Amar Astarte is somehow there just so she can tell him: I told you so about the XVth.
I bought the Court Of The Crimson King battleforce and I regret not getting Death Guard every day.
how hard did you nutt from the new eldar releases?
Yes I’ll take “just recently lost to this army.” For 500.
Something something ‘mad cause he lost’
According to Twitter, he lost to a Magnus Commander deck
@ Magnus did, in fact, do nothing wrong.
@@bobross6449 This got me. now buy me a replacement keyboard, this one has tea all over it.
No one wins playing mtg. Only those who lose money and those who lose more money
Tzeentch is the kinda God that will burst forth from a bush anytime something happens exclaiming "JUST AS PLANNED" despite knowing full well he did nothing and is mearly stealing credit. Tzeentch is a "that kid"
He's the CIA.
i'm pretty sure 'JUST AS PLANNED' is 90% of 'smart' characters in 40k
Tzeentch wishes he was Light Yagami or Lelouch Vi Brittania.
@@HolyknightVader999he wishes he was Light or Lelouch, but in reality he’s effectively Joseph Joestar (making shit up as he goes)
@@SaundersYT Basically, yes. Except he can't even be honest with himself.
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@@pancreasnowork9939 Bro, if only you knew the outright bullshit Belakor can do with more demons. he doesn't even need to attack you. he can just make demons hurt you and some of those demons can summon more demons to hurt you. It is shenanigans.
The reason why the Thousand Sons always get shit on is because if they were written realistically they would obliterate almost everyone sent against them. They're basically like Eldar Space Marines.
Actually, them losing constantly suddenly makes sense now.
Also you should do a collab with Rouga Rabid, he's cool.
This is the epitome of my love/hate relationship with TSons. Being able to casually pop Custodes like grapes is sick. Having to constantly get screwed over by bad writing because their very concept is too overpowered is _not,_ however, sick.
And then Titus and 2 sergeants wipe out their entire legion in Space Marine 2
Magnus and the Thousand Sons: "Dad we're really good at being wizards!"
Emperor: "Don't do that."
*Emperor refuses to elaborate, leaves.*
Imagine being gifted with magic and some health and safety inspector tells you it's 'unsafe' and 'irresponsible' to bend physics over your knee harder than Russ did with Magnus's spine.
Emperor: Are you? Are you really? Look at yourselves and tell me, are you really good at being wizards?
@@Diego-zz1dfthe ratio is 1 tsons sorcerer for a squad of grey knights so yeah they sound pretty damn good
@@al-mungus677 if the MASTER OF MANKIND THE GREATEST PSYKER EVER tells you not to do what he is god tier at then. you. DONT. Its like ignoring Kobe himself when he tells you not to do something in basketball who art thou to say otherwise
@@durrangodsgrief6503Master of Mankind yet couldn’t figure out how to parent good
The story in question:
"Magnus the Red knelt before his brother, eye to eye. His voice softened. 'Pull your men back from the tower, Konrad. You think me too proud to compromise? I am not. Not over a matter so vital, for knowledge so critical. Give me two weeks to comb the depths of this trove, to separate the truth from the harmful lies. I will destroy anything that bears the stain of deceit, myself.'
The claws slashed free. They slid back into their vambrace housings. They slashed back out again.
'Do not do this,' Magnus pressed. 'Do not commit this lore to flame.'
Konrad Curze lifted his dark eyes to meet his brother's halved gaze. 'I will brook no compromise. I will give no ground. The library will burn.'
'Brother.' Magnus' voice was a strangled plea. 'Let me send word to our father first. Let his word be the judgement we seek. He would never wish this library destroyed, I promise you. And I will remain with you while we wait. Neither I, nor my sons, will enter the Tower of Serenity until the Emperor sends his blessing.'
'How confident you are,' the Night Haunter replied. He had gone back to looking down at his hands. The claws slashed out yet again.
'I am,' Magnus confessed, passion giving heart to his tone. 'I am, brother. For decades even before my rediscovery and Prospero's welcome into the Imperium, I spoke with father across the tides of the Great Ocean. Mind to mind, soul to soul.'
'Soul.' Curze's chuckle was the rasp of a saw blade across bone. 'Soul. You talk such pretty nonsense, brother. Spirits and tutelaries and Great Oceans and souls.'
Magnus rose to his feet. Gold flashed as he turned away in regret.
Curze's anaemic visage settled into a miserable mask of indulgence. 'Do you believe you are the only one to have spoken with father? That you alone know his wishes and his secrets, and what he desires us to achieve out here? Tell me truly, Magnus - do you honestly think we are all nothing but fools, capering in your shadow?'
The Crimson King's features hardened, as did his voice. 'I speak of revelation and vision, and you speak petty words of bitterness. Brother, I'd hoped for so much more. Was your hunger to destroy not sated with the massacres you inflicted upon the people of this world?'
'Massacres,' Curze murmured the words, 'that you did not stop. Massacres that spared ninety per cent of this world's population and reached compliance in half the time Guilliman had estimated. So do not object to my "massacres'", and do not speak the word as if it were some filthy sin.'
Magnus would not be cowed. 'The campaign was yours to prosecute as you saw fit. But this library, this lore…'
'That word again. Lore. You clutch at it, investing it with preciousness, holding it out before you as a talisman. What will you do with this lore, Magnus? Take it back to Prospero? Set it free for all to learn and know, believing you enrich their lives?'
Magnus said nothing at first. He looked upon his brother, feeling the cold creep of unwelcome revelation.
'Such hate,' he said, almost in disbelief. 'Such depths of selfish hate.'
Curze grunted beneath that gaze, looking back down at his gauntlets. The claws retracted once more, then flashed free yet again.
'It isn't spite that binds me to this course of action,' the Night Lords primarch said softly. The knowledge in that spire is the crown jewel of a corrupt culture. Their beliefs should be destroyed to aid compliance and prevent a backslide into heathenism. Obedience is what matters, Magnus. They will be taught to obey. Through obedience, they will become Imperial.'
'No, Konrad.' Sensing a chance for unity, Magnus matched his tone to his brother's. 'You may be right about the people of this world, but not the knowledge they've accrued. Let me take it to the Emperor. That's all I ask.'
'I've already told you. I will brook no compromise. I will give no ground. Drop the kine shield around the Tower of Serenity, for if your warriors seek to maintain the barrier once bombardment begins, I can't promise they will remain unharmed.'
'You wouldn't,' Magnus sighed. 'Even your murderous clan wouldn't open fire on their own brothers.'
Curze looked up at his brother, his expression much the same as Sevatar's had been when the first captains spoke on the surface of Zoah.
'All you prove,' Curze said, 'is how little you know me. Sevatar, give the order to open fire.'
Magnus' remaining eye widened. He reached out a hand. 'Brother-'
'This is Sevatar,' the Night Lord spoke across the vox network. 'Open fire on the tower. Bring it down.'
'Brother!' Magnus called, then… ceased. He tensed, wincing as he felt the impacts begin on the psychic shield his sons had raised around their treasure. Several of the Thousand Sons present grunted and staggered in psionic sympathy.
Curze's claws retracted and deployed in the momentary silence. 'When the Emperor came to my world, he brought light to Nostramo, a world that had never seen the sun. He brought the light of knowledge, Magnus. Suddenly, my people could see the wider galaxy around them. They could perceive other worlds and other cultures, city after city that didn't dwell in the endless dark. Civilisations of peace and laughter. That knowledge didn't free them, brother. It shackled them. It wrapped them in misery. Nostramo heaves with their sorrow, that the cost of their peace is fear and blackness. My people suffer in my absence. Law breaks down as they fight their bindings. And why? Because of knowledge. Because a well-meaning teacher brought a perspective they weren't yet ready to know.'
Magnus' features were tight with concentration. Even so, he shook his head, his voice breathy with realisation. 'You are a hateful, blind creature. The Emperor will hear of this.'
Curze didn't gloat. He didn't even smile. 'How long can you hold that barrier for, Magnus?'
'Forever, if I wish it.' Now it was Magnus speaking through clenched teeth. 'Forever and a day.'
Curze still didn't smile, though did his eyes glint with cold mirth? It seemed, to at least one observer, that they did.
'And how long before your legionaries begin to wear out from exhaustion? How long before accidents occur, and all of those detonating shells kill your sons on the ground? A day? A week? A month? I have the ammunition. Or I could pull my warriors back, and open fire with the Nightfall. How long would you keep your Thousand Sons on the surface then? This only ends one way, Magnus. My way. I would rather you stood with me, and prevented bloodshed. Your men don't deserve to die for their misguided optimism.'
Magnus nodded, the gesture one of acceptance if not agreement. 'I will remember this, Konrad. I promise you, I will remember this.'
'Good,' said Curze. 'Lessons should be remembered. That is why they are taught in the first place.'
'Ah.' Now Magnus smiled. His regal features were a poor foundation for malice, but there was nothing warm in that smile 'A lesson, is it? Bold words, from a man that just claimed ignorance was bliss.'
Curze's jaw tightened; the most emotion he'd shown thus far. 'I will hold fire for thirty minutes. Get your Legion off the ground. The tower falls in half an hour.'"
Thank you.
Thanks!
Is there some context we're missing here that makes Magnus sound unreasonable? Konrad makes a good point, Magnus is kinda hamstringing the whole "dogmatic fascistic imperium" thing by being educated, because it's way easier to control people if you withhold key knowledge that would make them realize how they're being oppressed.
But is being a bad fascist a bad thing? It just means he's a bad imperial because his values conflict with the project he was dragged into, not incompetent. And also the conversations is pretty heavily implying the fighting is pretty much done and the world's just about conquered after a pretty swift campaign with more than 1 legion present, so they've got it covered.
@@kylejohnson6775 I mean, Magnus has always been reckless with knowledge and the warp. It is not just ideology, it is ignoring his father (the Emperor) and mentor (Amon) warning about being careful with the Warp and knowledge. Some things you are better off not knowing. Magnus is too blind and idealistic about the Imperium in one way. He's also willing to sacrifice people, as shown in one pre-Heresy book where he put a latent psyker through agony for more knowledge about the warp. The Khan has a stronger case where he understands that the Imperium would fight itself, he's not welcomed and best to treat the warp very cautiously. Hence taking a sip.
@@kylejohnson6775 Also I do not think it's just fascism. The Imperium doesn't just parody religious extremism and fascism, it covers all. Feudalism, stalinism,... In fact the Kriegs have more in common with French and Armageddon Steel Legion with Russians than Germans of both world wars. The orks actually mirror the ww2 germans a lot more.
@@TSInfiMa-r6z I mean, in that exchange it seemed like Konrad was just his broken self that is bitter about not having it as "easy" as Magnus on his own world, projecting his misery outward onto other people to cope. Magnus wanted to at least have someone look through the content of the library to see if there was anything worth preserving in there, and konrad just didnt want to cooperate, so they fought about it like 2 manbabies.
For all we know they could have some actually important books about some technology or another being in there but long forgotten by its inhabitants.
Those Rubricae would be awfully upset at your title if they could read
Or be upset
Or breath
Or be conscious 90% of the time
They could. They would just be depressed about it because panc is kinda right.
Hell if they had flesh
11:46 it's not even that.
They were stopped repeatedly by the police, concerned neighbours, a near-accident, and so many more things, yet the next chance they got they jumped right back into the car and this time they hit an orphanage.
16:48 I actually kinda like that moment from Ahriman. The Ynnari didn't throw him in, he went in himself. They've been back for a matter of minutes and dude does not hesitate to THROW HIMSELF INTO HELL to try and save his brothers. That's worth *something*.
say what you will about Ahriman but him regretting and actually trying to fix his actions is way more interesting than the 100 bad guy marines who are more or less the same as any other character in their faction
Fair tbh
I wasn't a big fan of the gathering storm books. But that characterization of Ahriman is why he's one of my favorite Chaos characters.
Thousand Sons arent so comically evil like the other chaos space marines
and he screamed brothers while diving no fear for himself and no regret
The Thousand Sons are the equivalent of That One Guy doing 10 over the speed limit and weaving through traffic in a blizzard that you then pass 2 miles later as he's standing on the side of the road looking at his car in the ditch wondering what happened.
Yeah well, I think they're neat
Dusty boys make me sad 😢 also I love your vids
BASED. BASED OPINION FROM A BASED MAN
Thank you Mr. Goods
Shadow wizard money gang 🧙♂️🗿
The goods were revealed here
That's more commander's fault for having a busted card like Sol Ring as a must have for every deck rather than Magnus being busted. He's pretty tame as far as 5 cost commanders go, honestly.
Sounds like he also called off of a bad hand tbh
Was gona say, if you cant deal with a 5/4 with literally no protections then it's kind of on you tbh
"I wish I could go through my life with that level of delusion." - The Eldar lover
As long as I avoid any mirrors it works
@@pancreasnowork9939 I am sorry to say this, but most monitors are a bit reflective. There is no avoiding the Mirror.
At least the Eldar actually as a whole makes sense.
🤷♂️
Not according to BL writers. "Yes I can totally tell these pink armored jittery crack fiends about Chaos. There's no way the Emperor's Children could be corrupted by our immortal archnemesis!" -Eldrad apparently...
Eyes actually work because of mirrors. If i'm not mistaken, they even use the camera thing of a couple of mirrors.
first they came after the space wolves, and i said nothing because i am not a space wolf
then they came after Brettonia, and i said nothing because i am not Brettonian
Now they come after the Thousand Sons, and no one is left to speak for me
Ooof. 🫂
Someone has unresolved trauma from a magician at his 9th birthday party
And he also has a nonfunctioning pancreas
Reminds me of a quote from John Stewart: "Hey I didn't do anything, I was just the magician invited to the Bar Mitzvah, I pulled a rabbit out of a hat, and suddenly the whole party went outta control!"
"You were outplayed by the Ynnari, that's like getting outplayed by a class of violently crippled and brain-damaged kindergartners"
Do I sense a 'The Ynnari Suck' video coming soon?
Mr Pancreas used the wrong army rule in the tabletop downsides section. Which compels me to comment and point that out. Which makes Mr Pancreas read it. Which forces him to spend more time reading about Tzeench’s chosen.
*JUST*
*AS*
*PLANNED*
In turn this led you to comment about it which boosts engagement
Truly I am favored by Tzeentch
To be entirely fair though, the actual Cabal of Sorcerers rule is not really less of a tabletop downside than the rule presented in the video for two main reasons:
1) It's really uninteractive for your opponent (yes, I say that as a fellow TSons player) because they consist of "take a bunch of mortal wounds", "I can just reroll a save", I am speed", "fuck your armor" and "let me have this free strategem to fuck you over even more".
2) the rule itself force a TSons player to take units that can use this army rule (which over half of the datasheets cant btw) which in turn limits list variety by design, but since the army rule itself is quite strong when you have an army thats built around it (Magnus, Sorcs, Rubrics, Vortex Beasts, bird-goats on frisbees and Cultists), GW just end up nerfing TSons instead of realizing and addressing fundamental issue behind it.
@@pancreasnowork9939 by adding engagement, we're making you rely on your failures to succeed. So you have to keep suffering to keep going at all.
@@pancreasnowork9939In doing so you have given a stranger on the Internet free internet points, the greatest currency of all
@@elyrienvalkyr8167 Truly, in supporting him we drag him further into suffering.
As it was with Magnus, so it is with Colin.
"I hate Khorne. I hate the Space Wolves. I like Tomb Kings."
Thousand Sons fan, feeling hope for the first time in decades
"You think you know what's coming. But you don't."
Me as well. The TSons are my favourite faction in all of warhammer
Yeah, but… You have to build those 20 Tzaangors… Doesn’t that sound fun?? Don’t you want your entire Thousand Sons army to be made of Tzaangors??
I hear they’re pretty good in AOS, should anyone actually want to pull it of
TZAANGOR TZAANGOR TZAANGOR
Linkie please explode
@@pancreasnowork9939only if you build 20 Tzaangors.
@@Jan_IedemaThe Disciples of Tzeentch are way cooler than the Thousand Sons. Like all Chaos armies in AoS, they're a mix of daemons and mortals (instead of just MORE SPACE MARINES) and the best part, they have actual spells!
For the record all the thousand sons problems are someone else’s fault and the fact they suffer from nagash syndrome were if they ever win the setting is drastically shaken so they get treated like a doormat to preserve GWs money making status quo.
Nice alternate account, Ahriman.
"Magnus did everything wrong!" This!
"Magnus did nothing wrong!" That!
It's both!
Very Tzeentchian of you.
Magnus did the best he could with the information he had at the time
@@100th-centurions
It's that and "Magnus' massive ego led him to making extremely bone headed actions based on what he knew at the time."
@@100th-centurionshow do you come to that conclusion? The information he had about the warp is that it’s incredibly dangerous and volatile and he just kept touching it till it bit him
That's the beauty of it!
I respect the hustle of Pancreas to create an entire video out of spite from a single instance of inconcenience
Truly he is one of Khornes finest
eh, he's indulging in the vice of petty insults and simps for the Eldar, clearly a Slaanesh worshiper.
6:28 to be fair, all research is a waste of resources...until it isn't and suddenly you have penicillin and nitrogen fertilizer and capacitive touch screens
Yeah but the problem is they are not researchers, they are soldiers. Magnus can easily send a million imperial soldiers to collect the relics while he goes conquering new planets and give everyone a good show of why you need wizards.
@@rafaelglopezroman1110 I think it speaks to their hubris to think they could have it both ways
research in 40k has like a 70% of just being a trick by chaos to open a demon portal to the grape dimensions
@@ravensflockmate I’m picturing vineyards, but it’s the chaos gods so those vineyards are probably in California… nightmare fuel
I knew the 20 Tzangors was coming at some point, it’s too funny to not mention in EVERY Thousand Sons video
Yeah, i'm pretty sure living near a 1000 suns would be unpleasent for your skin. I'll see myself out
wasn't that how the war in heaven got started? The Necrontyr lived near close to a thousand suns and....
@@coiler3927no I think there was only 3 sun's its just it was REALLY FUCKING CLOSE
Ariman really saw the necrons and thought "Hey, I wanna make that mistake, too!".
To be fair, wouldn't you abandon your allies if it meant getting a hold of a complete Gotrek and Felix omnibus?
This should be pinned
I agree. Pin it.
Pancreas channeling his inner, secret Space Wolf in this episode. Love to see it
Knew it almost smell furry on him 😂
Magnus melted your elves, didn't he?
After the video it turns out it was the Tyranid military industrial complex
The Elf Man dislikes the human* sorcerers.
*Sort of.
To keep track of what PancreasNoWork hates,
He Hates:
The French
Raging Manlets
Furries cosplaying as Vikings
Kids with Daddy Issues
And Nerds
Honestly, based.
Add people with daddy issues.
@ Who are they? I can’t remember that video.
Their more like Furries cosplaying as vikings
There is something wrong with anyone that likes any of those.
I'm pretty sure if it wasn't for that little part where the Yinnari reversed the Rubric then people would fully forget the Yinnari exist.
also dat ass dress
The thousand sons could make ur pancreas work again. Enough said.
Darn Tootin'.
they'd send the rest of him not work alongside his Pancreas lmao
Huh
Yes, but for WHAT PRICE?
With only a few extra bits growing on it, that scream occasionally
9:00 All I heard was pre-Heresy Sons combined the obsessive knowledge seeking of the modern Mechanicus with the post-Heresy tendency of the Dark Angels to abandon missions
Magnus: "Ugh, you vile Elf- Simp! You cannot escape my ire, and my wrath! I cast: RAISE BLOODSUGAR!"
+Spell failed+
Recieve 1d6 mortal wounds from miscast.
Eldar: “Super psyker army reduced to finite numbers from horrible chaos tragedy of their own doing, *with pointy ears*”
Thousand Suns: “Super psyker army reduced to finite numbers from horrible chaos tragedy of their own doing”
Pancreas Conclusion? No pointy, no likey.
well the craftworlds are trying to go around and fix their problem while the thousand sons just wanna throw a pity party
@@velphidrow no pointy. no likey.
The most Thousand Son momment ever is when Magnus ,in the middle of a Civil war against his own father, when there are A bajillions live at risk , his Sons are Dying in Droves, his world burned , his Soul sold to a Space Slug
,and to him the most important thing that pass to his powerful mind is "Why are there wolves on Fenris?"
He's just like me FR
Magnus had that psychic 'tism
I believe the "there are no wolves on Fenris" thing is meant to be Magnus commenting on the hypocrisy that his legion is treated as dangerous and in need of censorship because they turn into monsters, when the Space Wolves literally turn into wolves. I'm not saying he's right, but I think that's what the point of it was. It's hard to say because Graham McNeill's writing sucks.
@@epicwaba6424he has a Hella valid point to be fair. The decrepit and rotten modern imperium have sanctioned psykers and librarians. They know about chaos and fight it constantly. Why wasn't his legion specifically trained and taught about chaos how to resist it etc? Honestly no character in Warhammer is written worse than EoM
@@epicwaba6424it’s one the most stupid things ever in lore that now every moron who just can’t tell how obviously dogshit that lore bit is now has to scream it to cope over fact their legion sucks. Like turning into werewolves of which they are way more likely to either be easily killed, not summon demons because of it and even be calmed down enough to still be used as shock troops fodder weapons. But if a space wizard goes crazy it’s becoming a chaos spawn which can either be portal summoning literally murder demons of mega hell or become uncontrollable tainted manifestation that even just looking at and comprehending it could infect and corrupt any normal mortal because chaos is a bitch.
Not to mention we have lore bits like fact the 13th company literally ten thousand fucken years in the warp itself came back out of the warp and they are still basic werewolves wearing armor even smart enough to find and try help their allies in 40k. So anyone thinking for some reason the thunder wolves that existed on the planet before fucken space marines and primarchs even existed are just now neophytes that failed makes absolutely zero sense. But even after all of that it’s just completely irrelevant when he goes into chaos just all his sons and traitor marines are beyond fucked to unrecoverable degree so who cares, boohoo hairy man grows more muscule and grows more hair totally same as literally getting your soul sucked and evaporated and consumed by mega satans that corrupt everything around it even if you just know it or don’t even know of it because chaos is insane.
Uhg I hate warhammer lore sometimes
18:43 What, did I miss something in my rules because to my knowledge that army rule DOESN'T EXIST, and on a peripheral search, HAS NEVER EXISTED. Please tell me if I'm wrong because I can't find anything.
It's the boarding actions rule...
Yikes man complains about army and doesn’t even get it right
"The Thousand Sons suck"
Are you sure you're not getting them confused with the Emperor's children?
No no..the EC blow.
I see what you did there. I wish I didn't.
The sons of The Phoenician love you long time, solja boi.
Lucius is literally the 2nd best villain in the setting. Fight me.
@@brya9681 So who do you think is the best?
This is what happens when you make a faction that remains static for 10,000 years. They suck and get way too predictable.
The Sith went from Egyptian god-kings in the Tales of the Jedi era, to Space N*zis in the KOTOR/SWTOR era, and eventually became Illuminati-style plotters in the Prequels before returning to being Space N*zis in the Original Trilogy.
The Jedi went from using both sides of the Force during the Rakatan era, to using only the Light Side but still allowing marriage in the Old Republic era, to becoming feudal lords in the New Sith Wars era, and finally, they ended up being the Republic's celibate priest-warriors in the Prequels before getting wiped out in Revenge of the Sith, in a manner similar as to how the Templars were wiped out by the Kingdom of France.
The Protoss began as Spanish Conquistadores-type religious zealots who were the top of the food chain, to space hippies who wanted to make everything peaceful and be one with nature, especially after they made that religious compromise that allowed the Dark Templar into their society.
The Covenant were introduced as a massive, powerful empire held together by a religious/technocratic bureaucracy, kind of like what would happen if the techpriests ran the Imperium of Man. Then they splinter apart into smaller states more reminiscent of jihadist bandit gangs rather than a proper empire, but they eventually find a second wind due to one of their gods actually being real and found alive, and the dude gives them Promethean technology.
The Thousand Sons began as losers, and they're still losers, like most of Chaos is now.
It's like the old saying, "Magnus was told to do absolutely nothing, but somehow he did that wrong"
Ah yes because when the universe is going to shit the people telling you to sit it out are always right.
Exactly, and thus; Magnus did nothing, wrong.
@@Zwijger considering as soon as magnus did something put a giant fucken demon hole above fucken earth the craddle world of all of humanity which left the emperor, most the custodians and countless resources focusing that major fuck up. Had space wolves two titan legions, countless people die and fight all because his stupid red ass couldn’t pick up the phone and does absolutely nothing the one time he didn’t need too and even then he still fucked that up by at very last second when there is only thousand of his sons left and already so much dead and fucken titan legions and wasted resources are insanely high now he decides get off his giant red ass acting like he doing something cool then joins the very traitor that got him used and arguably reason any of this is happening for braindead reasons now he just killing countless innocents and ready to kill all of humanity and possibly the galaxy just because.
Unironically if he just sat on his ass he would have done so much more for the galaxy
@@Wolfbroa Kinda getting sick of the "Magnus didn't pick up the phone" thing. Mofo how is he supposed to pick up the phone, WHEN RUSS HAS THE WRONG FUCKING NUMBER?! His dumbass dialed chaos, not magnus! He simply ASSUMED it was Magnus's number, just as he ASSUMED that the multiple very real warnings he got were just "one of Magnus's tricks to cause infighting lol". And just as he ASSUMED that Kasper Hawser was a spy for the thousand sons, when anyone could tell it's completely nonsensical for Magnus to send his equerry to dick wave the wolves "4thelulz" during the most important moment for all their kind. Not to mention that big E 10000% takes part of the blame for Magnus smashing up the webway project, imagine NOT telling your most psychically gifted son to A, not do deals/ever take ANY power/gift offered by anything or anyone in the warp and B, to not fuck with the big fuck off psychic wall around terra, might've been real nice to know all that before shit got so bad he was willing to take risks like that.
Magnus did plenty wrong, but let's stop pretending like russ and big E didn't share a massive amount of said fuck ups.
@@kha4911 While we're on the subject, let's talk about the fact that the orders that were _hand-written by Big E himself_ said that Magnus and his Legion were to be arrested and brought to Terra to stand trial for their actions. While Russ, Valdor and the Censure Fleet (a not-so-great name for a band) were on their way to Prospero, they stopped to have a chat with Horus - who had already fallen to Chaos at this point - who told them that the orders had changed from "capture" to "kill every living thing on Prospero". Instead of going "Hmmm, this seems a bit sus," both Russ _and_ Valdor went "Seems legit" and proceeded to burn Prospero to the ground (after Russ' dumbfuckery trying to contact Magnus and deciding that not getting any response meant that it was okay to attack), which must have come as a hell of a surprise to the other Imperial forces on Prospero at the time... because oh yeah, there were other Imperial forces on Prospero who had no idea the Censure Fleet was coming and who Russ made no attempt to contact before launching his attack. These were also wiped out.
And the Emperor's response to being told that a loyal planet had been Exterminatus'd and a formerly loyal (if kinda stupid) Legion had been driven into the arms of Chaos? Rather than the sensible "What the fuck? I told you clowns to arrest Magnus and bring him back for trial! Oh, Horus said that I'd changed my mind? Did he give you anything in writing- no? And _none of this_ caused any brain cells to spark to life?" there was a victory parade thrown in their honour.
So let's throw Constantin Valdor onto that list of "people who were fucking stupid"
You thought I wouldn't notice, but I did. There is OG System Shock music in this video.
Colin may not be pregnant, but he never fails to deliver!
Horrible sentence, thank you greatly for it
Magnus sure fucked him in Commander tho
Does this mean Teclis is pregnant…?
As a 30k player nothing gave me greater satisfaction than seeing the unrestrained bawling that TS players did at the new edition. And that's the thing about TS, they are either disgustingly broken due to the game editions mechanics or everyone forgets they exist, making them basically traitor iron hands.
Pretty funny coincidence when you Play both of Them.
Vistario: We will never be slaves of the Emperor again. Tzeench grants us power beyond mortals understanding!
Rylanor: *FULGRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM*
Vistario: Sir, yes sir, for the Imperium. **Shoots his own Raptorae**
Vistario: ew look it’s a horny snake… nah man we ballin
*lets the virus bomb go off for the lols*
Can someone explain to me how the emperor hide chaos from humanity when you literally have to go through the warp to travel through space?
@@willfisher502 I thought he was hiding the Chaos gods and their Daemonic minions. You know, with the whole Imperial Truth thing.
"thank you mother Colin for feeding us" we all say in unison
You’re welcome
Magnus KNEW there were predators in the Warp and he was warned both by Amon and by the Emperor that he should be wary. He wasn't and he broke everything.
He was actually. TS were actually really careful. BUT being as powerful and yes naive as he is and thinking he 'won' aganist a powerful entity he was rightfully sure of himself. Also big E is the WORST example you could give. A mAn steeped in magic
"Yet I have seen the void that screams where his pancreas used to be."
The absolutely unhinged rant about Magic the Gathering at the end was not something I knew I needed (also yet another reason to ban sol ring)
And just like that, Pancreas lost all chances to do a collab with the poorhammer crew
Ahriman has a face, he just too powerful to view him as common astartes without pariah's aura or disabling the sorcery (TS who will disable the sorcery, totally believable), ADB lied from his anime protagonist character's PoV, as always.
Ahriman stood at the head of the altar, the azure blaze of his face upside down and hovering over Czevak’s own.
[...]
Ahriman shook him at the crystal ceiling of the pyramid pinnacle. His cerulean face contorted like an angry god - all eyes, teeth and wrath.
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As the wrinkles radiated outward the face became still once more, but instead of Czevak’s features, the traitor’s face was now that of Ahzek Ahriman. The sorcerer beamed cerulean majesty and turned his demigod’s eyes on Czevak.
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I strained my eyes, employing the trick of optical enhancement without giving it a second thought. However, despite being only fifty metres or so away from the stranger, I could not make out his facial features. It was as though he didn't have a real face at all. His skin seemed to shift and swim before my gaze. It was at once both pale as porcelain and dark as ash. It gave him an immense gravity, as though the entire planet was suddenly drawn into orbit around him, but it also made him seem entirely translucent and insubstantial. More than that, however, I found that I simply couldn't look at his skin for long enough to see it properly; my eyes kept slipping off his form, drawn into his own eyes like matter into dying stars. And they were such eyes! I could see no eyeballs; there were only complicated, intense blue infernos, flickering and spitting like shards of warp fire.
They should take a bunch of Rubric Marines and pour their dust into a suit of mega power armour that's 20 meters tall and punch titans. That would be cool.
GW Write That Down,
And make it cost 400 Dollars
I imagine it would only magnify the rubics’ suffering.
AKA the Kool Aid Titan ?
Blue Destiny 01, Gundam Phenex and Gundam Aerial watching from afar:
Drukharii: "Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!" @@TerryBradstreet
16:17 wow, GW really hates their version of Daenerys Targaryen-who is also their version of Sylvanas Windrunner-don’t they?
Counterpoint: Wizard Space Marines are bad ass and the Council of Nikea was stupid - you want mankind to be psychic but won’t let *anyone* be psychic?
@@Theology.101 this is truth!
doge of truth
The 1,000 sons look badass but they take more L's than stormstroopers.
I really want to care for them but GW contractually obligates writters to shit on them at every turn.
He forgot to tell them human needs to level up to psychic stuff first
Truth.
"Hi yes, I would like to main an army of the Thousand Sons please."
GW Employee: "Great! Here are seven hundred warp chickens with chainswords, the cool flying dragon engine from Space Marine 2, and about ten marines. That will be 500 dollars please and thank you."
What i find hilarious in its irony is how the lamest aspect of the Thousand Sons can become one of the most memed and charming traits of one of their unintended successor chapters via making the kleptomania trait a quirk that's opportunistic rather than the "halt a literal war to get the shiny thing" grandstanding the Thousand Sons used to do. The Blood Ravens are loved because they steal things in cheeky ways that don't outright interrupt the battles at hand (oftentimes it assists the battle by taking powerful objects away from the enemy), so they don't pause the plot of whatever is going on.
STEAL THE ENEMY
The blood ravens aren't thousands sons though least in gene line
I headcanon theyre the legion magnus was to get as a replacement, I headcanon this about as firmly as pancreas headcanons Karl Franz as the Celestan Prime
@@AmariFukui except theres evidence to support Franz. There is a 0% chance the blood ravens where the replacement legion and nothing to support it.
4:07 that is something Nurgle would create.
I'm a thousand sons apologised and magic is fucking cool.
Magic is cool, these are facts
21:00 Ah yes, Magnus the Red/Blue-
Oh he stole my joke… fuck
The rule mentioned in this video is only for Boarding Patrol.
The main rule for 40K is “Cabal of Sorcerers” which lets you kinda mimic the old psychic phase from 9th.
Who were worse for their alliance? Dark Angels when they heard there was a Fallen on the other side of the galaxy or the Thousands Sons when they heard the new Harry Potter book was out?
Thousand Sons have the most drip I will die on this hill
Scarab occult terminators are absolutely terrifying in Space Marine 2
Right!? I also love the 30k looks, the red and gold is magnificent
You say terrifying, I say magnificent. The missile ones are a pain, but the sword Terminators are one of my favorite enemies in the game, feels like a proper duel.
New Pancreas video drops on my half day at work? Such is the power of Nagash
I got a gambling ad before this video and now that I think about it I'm pretty sure vegas would be more financially responsible than warhammer minis
I don’t know. GW’s price hikes have been a great help in helping kick my plastic addiction.
This is perfect with the enclave profile picture.
Vegas would be more responsible than the thousand sons too
The thousand sons really have me feeling like Baylen Skul
"I miss the idea of them, but not the truth."
This has completely nothing to do with this video but right now my cat is on my lap aggressively meowing at me to pet him.
I forgot where I heard it from but it went something like this:
Where Jagatai would sip from the cup, Magnus would instead gulp from it.
I like Magnus because of tts. So does my second oldest son. Our first episode we ever saw was the war in heaven, by far the most quotable and funniest episode.
"The universe seems to be against them"
Wait, more than the Death Guard ?
The universe isn't actually against The Death Guard ... just Mortarion!
7:48 those Slaanesh followers prolly were in restraints. I know I am :3 #sigvalddidnothingwrong
Eldar: NNNOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BE THE BEST PSYKERS, YOU DIDN'T SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS EVOLVING TO BE SUPERIOR AND TRAINING WITH GODS, YOU'RE JUST, JUST, FILTHY MON'KEIGH THIS ISN'T FAAAIIIIRR
Rubric Marine: haha smite go brrrrr
Based Space Wizard Vs Virgin Space Elves. Ahriman Solo's hard no wonder the elf simp is so butt hurt.
people like you are why the 40k fandom is insufferable
@@alphariusomegon8958 Eldrad anyone?
@@BattlerEvil I would want to see that. With a non biased author ,so we can how terrifying Eldrad is. I only heard a bit about him with how little either people don't talk about him or few good books devoted to Eldar.
For how much I like Ahriman I think Eldrad wins if good writer who doesn't have space marine syndrome writes that book. I would like see a Jaded old elf who still thinks he can save the Eldar. Meet Ahriman a Jaded but naively optimistic space Wizard. I want to see the contrasts between them ,and how it plays out in there fight.
Eldrad has stopped time, teleported across planets, has near perfect short term prescience, and is an extremely skilled duelist. Dude is no joke
When you kill a Rubrick Marine in Space Marine 2 and you don't even have the option to sniff the ruinous space dust inside.
Literally unplayable.
This is the perfect thing to watch while painting a squad of rubrics!
I distinctly remember when my buddy played Thousand Sons.
He attempted to deep strike a squad of Terminators behind our like and then my Trajan Valoris decided to show them the error of their existence
Wow, You are bitter than Ahriman alone was strong enough to be a major Boss fight for the entire eldar race.
Ahriman fought 90% of the named Eldar characters.
Thousand sons stay winnng
Cope
@@anon2427 You are right. Pancreas is coping hard.
no he hasnt lmao
@@velphidrow read The Gathering Storm vol 2. It ends with Ahriman vs every Phoenix Lord and the entire Yneari cast.
You know something literally everyone who was close to Magnus told him it was a bad idea to look too closely into the warp, perturabo destroying that device in front of magnus was trying to tell him that the warp is too dangerous, jaghatai warned him it was dangerous, his adoptive father told him it was too dangerous
Saw this video title and immediately understood the real reason that a Poorhammer collab hasn't occurred yet
Also bug thing - both Russ and his Space Wolves and Jagathai and his White Scars knew Warp was evil and dangerous even without Big E telling them. They just knew that cause it was part of their people’s lore and both WS and SW use psychic powers with a LOT of safeguards at every junction and with a TON of prejudice and superstitious mistrust. Which ironically makes them indeed safer than TS were.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
KHORNE SMILES UPON US!!!
RAAAAAAH WHAT THE HEL IS A BRAIN CELL
@ SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!!!
This video became more and more unhinged the more I watched it and my day is made.
Thousands sons players when they dont get 2 rubric marines and 50 zangors in a boxset
I also play nids in Commander.
It goes one of two ways, either I get to never play my big fun cards because everyone is terrified of toothy monster with large number or I absolutely curbstomp after quietly building up my military industrial complex because someone else brought a deck that's actively making everyone else miserable.
It's usually the former.
Hidden third option is spending 8 turns building up just for my board to get wiped
Same
Magnus: "Woah dad! Check this out, it's like that one potter movie!"
Big E: "Bad." *Leaves*
The emperor had such a way with words with his children 🥰
1,000 tzaangors in the next eldar box for you.
WE GET TWO VIDEOS IN A SINGLE WEEK? WOOOAH, SOMEONE DONATED $5K OR SOMETHING?
“We trained them wrong on purpose, as a joke”
-Tzeench
Pretty much for tabletop side of TS & Tzeentch. For a "God of Magic" faction, they dont have the ability to copy other player's warp ability. "Ooo, nice fireball, Salamander. My turn".
If only the psychic phase was still a thing
Bro got hit by the "Domain Expansion: Double Doombolt"
Compelling argument.
Counterpoint I cast Twist of Fate
I lost it at “Welcome to Azak Ahriman’s Wild Ride” 😂
You know Pancreas hates your faction when he has good things to say about the Wolves.
9:30 that space wolf can't clap his own hands.
That time Magnus turned an entire world worth of people into corn, only to end up failing and getting punch in the face by Ragnar Blackmane. 1.5 seconds after begging to come out of the portal.
Thousand Sons lore is funky, cause The Emperor could've kept them close and elucidated as well as regulated, which he could've done, could've helped them remain loyal. Maybe, at least.
The Thousands Sons in 30k being basically the prime example of why the Emperor was always a git in one way or another.
Don't get me wrong. The emperor is the worst father ever and did a lot of things terribly. But how he dealt with the a thousand sons and Magnus in particular not so much. All they had to do was listen. All they had to do was simply do as they were told but because they're so arrogant and believe they know best they damned themselves and they deserved it
@@ironmangx-ro8mt how is the emperor the worst father ever?
"It's gonna get loud" - *doesn't even peak the mic* Man, I turned my volume down like "Alright, here we go!" aaaaaaand nothin'.
Beyond the minor disappointment, that was a very enlightening video!
The best thing the thousand sons have done is side with Rylanor
Alright mister Pancreas you didn't to rag on surströmming like that we do it enough ourselves.