Wow. 18 whole minutes. That's, like, an entire lifetime dude. Average attention span of the standard RUclips user is about 18 seconds at most, so this is like reading War and Peace for them. They'll be dead before it finishes.
@@BigBlack81 Sidebar shows he's done a wee bit on Clough as well. I'll watch it sooner or later this week, been watching The Damned Utd clips for the past hour : )
Leeds were loathsome. Liverpool had v similar history but played with style. Revie was I think a rather mixed up person and reflected in his management. They weren't "hard" they were nasty. See Hunter backing away from Franny Lee who was half his size. Giles punching Keegan from behind. Why? Trying to get the ball. Sickening.
@@stephenreeds3672 Hunter backed off from Lee who was swinging wildly and acting like a maniac, (the Roy Keane of his day) most sensible people would do that. But I can't see how backing off makes someone "nasty". Explain?
It's interesting how similar the history of Leeds and Revie is to the one of Gladbach and Weisweiler in Germany. They both took over pretty uninspired and negligible teams in the 2nd divison (Revie 1961, Weisweiler 1964), they both completely changed the culture surrounding the club and implemented a "footballing DNA", they both gained promotion (Leeds 1964, Gladbach 1965), they both went on to win several league titles (Leeds 1969 and 1974, Gladbach 1970, 1971 and 1975), their national cup competition (Leeds 1972, Gladbach 1973), and european silverware (Leeds 1968 and 1971, Gladbach 1975). And interestingly, both Revie and Weisweiler had already left when the teams they built played and lost their only European cup final (Leeds 1975, Gladbach 1977).
@@jackmiller-johnston8689 Rumours, my arsenal. When they come from multiple sources, they are not rumours, they're just hushed up facts, because the scandal would likely have caused repercussions even beyond LUFC.
@@chelsblue7370 bit like your owner being a jacked up swindler who capitalises on the misfortunes of his nation and our dear old planet at large, small club big money
Hey TIFO, thanks for this video. love from India. People don't know but if come to Goa in India you'll still find people with Leeds shirt on And they haven't even played in the PL for 16 years. There are more Leeds fan in India than some of the current PL teams. I HOPE this is our year but even if it doesn't happen we're gonna give the boys a hand. Marching on together.
I am like you Ankush. A huge Leeds United. Tell all the Indian fans of Leeds United to keep on supporting the club. I believe that we could do it this year,
@G G If VAR favours Liverpool so much, then why did they not get clear penalties given against Newcastle and Southampton? Why wasn't Man Utd's goal pulled back for a foul on Origi in the build-up? And why was Firmino's onside goal against Aston Villa adjudged to be offside? The only reason morons like yourself think that VAR favours Liverpool, is that Liverpool have NEVER lost a game in which they have got a questionable VAR decision given against them, at the point of writing. You're just too bitter to give credit where credit's due to Liverpool's world class quality and mentality.
I recall reading about Revie's Leeds that, whenever they went 1-0 up at Elland Road, all the ball boys would mysteriously go missing, so whenever the ball went out of play there was a lengthy delay in getting it back on the field, wasting precious time. I don't know whether it's true or not but I like to think it is, that's some god-tier shithousery.
Oh, shall we talk of 'today's' time waster's? Player's ROLLING about the floor as if they have just been poleaxed, calling for the physio because they have a 'slight' graze or a pimple on their leg whilst his team mates gather around the Ref' to try and get the offending player sent off, only for the SERIOUSLY injured player to get back on his feet and take the free kick himself and then 'sprint' down the field to support his team mates. We've certainly come a long way with how the beautiful game is now played, it just about makes me sick to watch today's 'filthy rich' Stars behave like Primary School Children.............NO............they are WORSE than that, and people call Leeds of those days CHEATS.
@@NeilBevan-to7bn When did I say that Leeds were "cheating", or that their behaviour was worse than modern-day divers? If anything, I was praising them for their shithousery. I don't see how my comment could have prompted this rant.
@@F1Krazy I 'did' read your comment wrong then, as I thought it was a negative towards them, so my apologies. Many would see that particular tactic as cheating, but compared to today's multi million pound theatrical performers, I know which I prefer.
I never thought there was so much more to don revie other than just thinking that matt busby and bill shankly were visionaries on their own. Great video guys!
@@CB-xr1eg Same with Shanks. He also went to Busby for advice. I actually saw the entire Leeds squad having lunch in The Midland hotel before a match @ Old Trafford mid seventies. No problems between Utd fans and the Leeds team. The problems in those days were just between the 2 sets of fans!
@@KryptonitetoallBS Revie showed Liverpool and their fans respect when Leeds went to Anfield and won the title. After the game Revie got the team to walk to the Kop and applaud them. They did so and it all went quiet for about 30 seconds, then a Liverpool fan got on his mates shoulder and started chanting *CHAMPIONS* to the Leeds team. The whole Kop joined in and it went on for a few minutes. That's massive respect from both sides.
@@CB-xr1eg Yes Clive it is. Sad how things have changed. The first and only Hillsborough chant I ever heard was by Leeds fans in Magaluf as the team had a well earned end of season holiday after promotion to Div 1. I met and drank with Mel Sterland, Strachen, Jones, Kamara, Chapman etc on a nightly basis. Vinny was nutz btw!!
his techniques and mentality were noted and espoused by Martin O'Neill , one of the three managers exempted from the UEFA Super Licence (Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are the other 2). Revie's scouting and training regime are , somewhat indirectly part of the USL now
Chish and Fips funny despite taking £7.5k from the Daily Mirror Gary Sprake was never willing to repeat the allegations under oath at court. London media just never liked a northern industrial city succeeding.
@@Eevee13-xo How easy it is to come on a comment section throwing acusations around with no proof. Where you even born when Revie managed Leeds? Show some evidence of what you're saying or just stfu.
Something tells me you needs to brush up on the late 60's and early 70's football. Watch football hardmen for 1 and watch glory, glory Leeds United. Back in a time when 6 or 7 clubs could win the league
Malcolm McDonald during a Q&A said something like 'he didn't want me in the team and told me so. He said he felt pressured to play me and would drop me as soon as I failed. Prior to the England-Cyprus match, I spoke with a few of the players who were shocked and rallied together to spite him. They said 'every time we're on the attack we'll pass it to you'. We won 5-0 and I scored all 5'.
The story of the rise and fall of Revie's Leeds is worthy of a hollywood movie, full of adversity, triumph and ultimately tragedy. Whatever the rights of wrongs, it is one of the great stories of English football. RIP Mr Revie, a genuine great
My dad loved Don Revie when he played for Man City and followed his career after that,i seen him play for Sunderland and Leeds great player and manager
It is largely forgotten now that Revie was an innovative top class player in his day and played 6 times for England. He was credited with being the first deep lying centre forward in English football in the 1950s. However,even during his playing days he was a prickly character and moved clubs regularly. He took his somewhat obsessive character into management which proved to be his greatest strength but also a significant weakness. He worked wonders to rejuvenate Leeds in the early 1960s and turn them into a force to be reckoned with by the end of the decade. But he made many enemies along the way because of the "combative" style his team employed.All the top clubs in this era,with the possible exception of Clough's Derby, had their cloggers but at times Leeds did take things too far. Revie was totally unapologetic about this which infuriated the big wigs at the Football League even more. His team won a lot but should have won even more. There were some unjust losses,especially the 1973 European Cup Winners Cup Final, and other occasions where the team just did not show up in vital games.The 1973 Cup Final loss to Sunderland is the most obvious example. Revie's legacy is ultimately clouded over the allegations against him of trying to bribe opposition players to throw games. Yes he was never charged or convicted of anything, but at the height of the allegations in the late 1970s he was a rich man and could have chosen to sue the national newspapers who made the allegations.... but he chose not to.
Love this video length. Obviously takes longer to produce but 15-20 minutes means you can get truly invested and understanding of the topics mentioned. Bravo
In some ways though, he left one of the most lasting legacies in English football. When they were relegated to the third tier for the first time some years back, it was widely reported that their result on the final day that sent them down was cheered as it came over the tannoy at every ground in the country. From Southampton to Carlisle , Shrewsbury to Norwich , everyone celebrated Leeds' relegation. The majority of those people weren't even alive during the Revie era. That's how enduring the legend of Dirty Leeds is.
The film is a take on Clough, not Leeds. The book is, too, really, but it’s style carries a lot of it forward, relying on what it shows went on in Clough’s head, which the author couldn’t possibly have known. Neither are an attempt to portray the reality of what occurred. No attempt is made to show anything from a Leeds perspective in either fiction.
Yes , indeed ! Cloughie, The Great Sir Bobby Robson and Bob Paisley=FANTASTIC and don't forget Harry Catterick at Everton and Harry Potts winning the Title for Burnley.....!!!
@@Isleofskye You can't count Clough. On his own he was average, he won next to nowt without his mate Taylor. Check the facts before you reply and disagree with me.
Kevin Keegan said it was sad that Revie had not been accorded the respect he deserved and according to Alan ball, M Allison and several other players/coaches, they were the best team Britain has ever produced, one said that they were the first professional club, ie, everything was planned and practised to achieve the maximum efficiency. Yes, they were hard and would 'try it on' when the ref was not looking, but other teams were hard and on the fringe of what Leeds did. Shankly, a great rival, never criticised them for being dirty and said their games against each other were the great games of football. Both of the managers and teams had the greatest respect for one another.
A short, and very interesting video and to the point as well. He changed Leeds from nobodys to a team to fear. He won a lot of trophies with Leeds, but it could have been more if it wasn't for so many games being played in other tournaments. When he left Leeds for the England job, it didn't go the way it was expected to. I think he should of come back to ER at some point when Leeds were going through a bad patch. He is Leeds,and will be Leeds.
As a liverpool fan and being brought up in the greatest football era ever, and i would not call leeds dirty it was the era when football was hard with hard players, not the rolling round and screaming we have today. playing on bowling green pitches, and with a nice light ball to kick.
They were basically informed by the shocking methods of Italy and Spain etc. That's unfortunately why Dundee, Liverpool (Shankly v Inter) and Derby suffered in 60s and 70s outings because they all basically played by the rules - and Forest got a lucky break quite frankly when UEFA finally woke up to the likes of Juvē and other S. European teams. I think the rancour comes from the fact the League and FA turned a blind eye to their behaviour because they were seen as England's best bet in Europe early on.
The ball. Hate it & it changed football. It has all the dynamics of a indoor smaller ball. It has made the game quicker & thus tackles are much less. Till the end of the millennium and from about 1966 it was unchanged, yes the pre war & fifties the ball was a lumpen thing & as said it was changed & perfect for all these decades. Mighty Whites keep fighting.
@@wildbill6826 Yep, the ball was a crucial change. Once it became impermeable, and therefore much lighter in practice, it made the game play more and more like a court sport. Add the stealth synthetic surfaces, slippers for boots and protection of the ball carrier, and the competitive game now looks like astropark training. Or a weird, trivial basketball/handball with a touch of ice hockey style game.
Strangely Revie and Clough were more alike than we probably think. They were both managers who believed in recruitment at a time where loyalty to your team was everything. They used different training methods and techniques. But, most of all, they highlighted the need for European success. Before the 60's British teams didn't do European football, it was a luxury few could afford or want. Revie and Clough were 15 years ahead of their time. I think Liverpool in the 80's under Shankly finally saw that comparison between the two men.
Don Revie was a grate manager and very under appreciated, I did not realise how far he took Leeds from were he first found them. Your videos are excellent bye the way Tifo
He didn’t win as many silverware as he projected, he and Leeds were one of the greatest first-runners in the English football. However, I enjoy watching the FA Cup final when defeated Arsenal, it was well-played footbal, as much dynamic as nowadays matches.
This video fails to ask an intriguing question: "Would Leeds have won even more had they ditched the 'Dirty Leeds' style?" In the 1973-4 season, Leeds decided to clean up their act and just play football. They easily won the league. Younger viewers probably do not understand just how competitive English football was in the era when Leeds showed stunning consistency in finishing 1st or 2nd seven times in 10 years. Each season 7 or 8 teams started the season with reasonable aspirations to win the league. However, the proof of how good a footballing team Leeds were was shown not so much in England as in Europe. Including the 1975 European Cup Final, played by the team Revie built but after his departure, Leeds played in 5 European finals in 9 years. The antipathy towards Leeds came not just from London but probably even more so from Lancashire. The rivalry with Man Utd was especially intense. As the video suggests, Revie's reputation was tarnished by his failure at managing England and his hurried departure, possibly because he was fearing imminent arrest in the UK. Revie also liked money and Malcolm MacDonald has a story that illuminates why journalists didn't like Revie.
Exactly right. One reason they didn't win so much was they refused to buy a decent goalie. But the '73-74 team did play glorious football. And they gave Barcelona - Cruyff and all - a real tanning at Elland Rd in the 75 European Cup semi final. The point about the competitive League was true, too. Leeds, Liverpool, Everton, both Manchester sides, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham from 64-66, - don't forget Leicester, Burnley and Newcastle, who were happy to piss on anyone's birthday cake at any given time, Arsenal and Derby for a season or two at the end.
In a way Revie was slightly fortunate in the fact the vast majority of his team was at the club for virtually the whole of the glory years. The only other time thats happened in England in the 50 years ive been watching football was Fergusons kids at united 30 years later. who were together for 10 years but there is no doubt chasing so many competitions also cost the club combined with bad luck. the 67 cup semi final, WBA loss in 71, 2 european finals were both reffed by bent officials, the title decider in 72. they probably should have won 10 or 11 trophies
@@dlamiss You're correct about the same Leeds team playing together for a decade. It certainly showed when they mostly got old together and Leeds went into sharp decline after 1975. A lesson learnt by Liverpool, who adopted a policy of buying 1 or 2 young players every year even if they had just had a successful season. There are reasons though for the players staying at Leeds. The maximum wage had only been abolished in the early 1960s and there was little differentiation in pay between clubs. This had changed by 1980 when the successful Ipswich team was plundered. It was also down to Revie however, who cultivated a NOLU culture within the club that kept the players there. The players also learnt on international duty that Revie's methods were far advanced from what was happening at other clubs.
@@cbarclay99 The ironic thing about the decline was there were still pretty decent players there.Mcqueen, Jordan, Hankin, Currie, Hurd, Mckenzie, Gray E and F, Hawley,. OK they werent as good as the likes of Bremner and Giles but the club should certainly have remained a top 6/7 side for years to come
@@dlamiss From memory, Leeds didn't seem to integrate the flair players they bought, especially Currie. I presume down to poor or mediocre management. The sale of McQueen and Jordan to United also showed that differentials in wages were beginning to appear.
Brilliant video!!! Loved the extended lenght and within your style of presentation worked masterfully, would like to see more story time videos like this one on more excentric characters in football history, sir bobby robson would be a good one!! Brian Clough and Peter Taylor as well! Much success to you lads, just magnificent work
The dirty play and cheating and harassment by Jack Charlton , Norman ( RIP ) Cooper , Giles , Bremner and Clarkey , in particular , was under Revie. Just seen " The Damned United" and what those thugs DELIBERATELY did to Derby just b4 Derby's European Cup Semi-Final in Juventus when they DELIBERATELY put half the team out injured was disgusting...
I'm Man city fan, older enough to remember when he played for Man City saw him playing for City Reserves when at one time when he couldn't get in City first team.
I still have a strong opinion about Genghis Khan , Stalin , Chairman Mao and Attila The Hun and The Vikings so , like Alexander , they , also , must be " grea t" Apparently Hitler was a tad unpleasant , as well....
@@michealflaithbheartaigh4139 actually, it was a coverage issue. I am British but I lived in Madagascar at the time and they just didn't show Leeds enough, no premier league packages then I read more about them more than i actually watched. So no, I'm not a band wagoner
Excellent video, great analysis. It is wonderful to learn important aspects about a manager from a bygone era; tactics, strategy, approach etc. It is a shame he is not given the full credit for his achievements, methodology that were way ahead of its time. What is perhaps even worse when he died, the FA never sent a representative to his funeral, that was awful.
And we know who the better and more universally manager was. I don't remember there being a minute of silence throughout the football pyramid after revie died....
Funnily enough Clough also played up front for Sunderland nearly scoring a goal a game before being forced into management through injury. Then lads boss Alan Brown was said to be the inspiration for Clough’s management style.
@@wvu05 Mourinho just wants the team to get their arses working and act like winners. Revie turned most of the Leeds starting 11 into a group of thugs so aggressive that it made Liverpool look like angels. Compared to Revie, Mourinho was soft.
@@oranges866 I think you misunderstood my point. I was not talking about tactics, I was talking about discipline. The Special One needs that in order to get special results. There's a video where he talks about his career, and he said that there were games where he knew that his teams would not concede a goal if a game was 900 minutes. However, dealing with poison like Pogba meant that his system couldn't work the way he wanted it to, and the board sided with Pogba.
I think he needed a Peter Taylor working with him ;someone who would have tempered his superstitions and ultra defensive mode (often applied for no reason or gain) and found a few more players that would have seen them win a lot more-the 1969-70 season of ultimate failure was probably down to just 15 or 16 players being used for an entire league and Cups campaign; they were shagged out!
The most exciting time at Leeds.... how the southern bums loved to hate us and still do they couldn’t stand how successful we had become.... they all were envious of our success and would not give Leeds any credit what so ever. The mighty Leeds made me a proud Leeds United Supporter and Don Revie and his team will never be forgotten it’s in the History Books 😁 they can’t take that away from us.
“how the southern bums loved to hate us” Pipe down son, there’s 2 Lancashire clubs that’ve won 39 top flight league titles between them, let alone the other clubs, how many do you and the rest of Yorkshire have?
Big Jack said it best in one season " We were runners up in the FA CUP lost the league on goal difference to Liverpool knocked out in the semi finals of the fair's cup some players would give their whole career's for a season like that the town was buzzing and we won nothing that year but we were involved in every major trophy right to the last " so true I was a lad then and going down to Elland road to see the Revie aces was magical thanks Don
@@stealthiscool Agree with that.The 73 Cup Winners final was decided by a bent ref & the 75 final saw a blatant penalty denied (even Beckenbaur admits this) & an incomprehensible decision to disallow Lorimer's goal.
Wonderful and detailed story, thank you! I had heard of Dirty Leeds but now I know more. I'd love to see more of these longer video narrative-like stories
There's so many factual errors - it shows them playing Everton as part of their Division 2 promotion montage. I'm sorry, but Everton simply don't do Division 2. The whole story about him being offered the Leeds job while on the beach in Spain and reneging on his deal to manage Brighton is rubbish - he had been at Brighton all season and they were 19th in the Second division at the time. The game where he played the full strength team against Leeds was the quarter final, not the semi. He played Arsenal before the semi, won 2-0, had no players injured and lost because of, as he put it "a cheating eye-talian bastard" of a referee (and he had two players suspended). He knew full well Don Revie was going to be Yorkshire TV show. That's why he did it. He never went to the FA to plead for Billy Bremner. A club director and, of all people, Kevin Keegan did. Bremner was also deeply ashamed and emotionally very upset (at the point of tears said Keegan) after the dismissal, not snotty and recalcitrant as shown. Dave Mackay and Duncan Mckenize both get terrible service from the film - McKenzie, who is one of the most erudite and witty men in the game, not the simpleton he is made out to be and Mackay who is painted as the villain for events that happened two years after he left the club. He was right to sue and right to win. At one point Leeds are introduced as the champions of England - if the date in the film is to be believed, Manchester United were, in fact, champions at the time. The FA Cup tie where Revie allegedly snubbed Clough was actually played in Leeds, not Derby. Colin Todd is playing for Derby in the movie two years before he actually signed for them (Colin Todd, by the way, was a superb footballer. He should have been Bobby Moore's naturals successor) There's also (and this isn't hard fact), the feeling it's that the Brian Clough from post 1984 (when his powers did start to wane and the drink started to blur his judgement) that they have taken back and thrown into the film/book and not the magnificent, cocky, instinctive and brilliant manager he was in his pomp. Leeds made him a better manager because it sent him to Forest (where he replaced Dave Mackay) with a point to prove. And he did emphatically prove it. He surpassed Revie in every way (not that Revie wasn't a good man and a great manager in his own right) and proved himself the greatest English manager since 1970, if not ever. The internet kids won't know this - they can't - the narrative doesn't allow for us to talk about dead people or people who even existed before 1992. But we old timers, know. We had Cloughie and Revie and Shankly and the internet kids don't. And we are so much the richer for that experience.
Nice video, would have been nice to see have seen some more on the fact that Leeds undoubtedly played amazing football under him in the first division, as well as the well documented dirty side
There are many better managers all over the world and throughout history that was or is better. But among English managers, perhaps. You must also remember that being a national team manager is quite different from being a club manager, Revie is an example of that. From my own country Norway, Drillo is another. He took a thoroughly mediocre footballing nation into the very top of football, at one point being ranked as number 2 (in -92), and was amongst the top his entire tenure. He understood statistics and their importance in football better than anyone else at the time, and was one of the first to truly understand the power of zone defence and pressing (as well as tactical oddities like a wide target man,a playmaking fullback and number 8s that could run 120 minutes, but not play football). But he was not a people person, and never had anywhere close to the same success at a club. He knew tactics and numbers, and instructed already professional players to implement his tactics withotu any fuss, and he demolished teams with much better players than he had availble to him. And that's what you need from a national team manager, a tactical genious that can bring forth the very best of what is availble, not someone that is good at building a club and a culture and inspires loyalty and cohesiveness in the long run.
He wouldn't have been able to play John McGovern with England so he would have been lost...a facetious comment yes, but he was never one for 'star' players so its hard to know how he might have done with England.
Clough would have been the ideal option. Greenwood was just a yes man....The reason Clough didn't get the job was because he was too opinionated the the FA were scared of him. There's no doubt Clough could get things out of players no other manager could......BUT.....he would only have been successful if Peter Taylor had gone with him.
Another thing about Leeds was consistency. Apart from the goal keeper position which Revie eventually chose Harvey because Sprake made mistakes the other 10 players were always the same. Even with one and then two substitutes. Rennie, Charlton, Hunter, Cooper, Gray, Bremner, Giles, Lorimmer, Jones and Clarke. When a few retired in the early 70s Cherry, McQueen, Yorath and Jordan came in yet Revie loved a settled side. He would have hated Ranieri and his tinker man philosophy!
I forgot about Sprake. He was a complete liability at times, would make a great save one minute, then let the ball slip through his hands the next. Harvey was a truly great goalkeeper.
@@ghostdancer444 Thw word "great" gets used for anyone who played twice for Scunthorpe reserves these days. Harvey was a good keeper and pretty safe but "great", a million miles away.
In the trailer for The Damned it shows Jack Charlton running at Peter Osgood and kicking him up in the air - cup final replay 1970. However, what it didn't show - in fact, was edited out - was a nano second before Osgood had raked his studs down the back of Charlton's calves. Fairness in presentation? Yeah, right. And I'm not a Leeds fan.
@@kadasrichard I was just pointing out how biased The Damned film was. That editing of Osgood's tackle was deliberately cut to make Charlton look awful. Terrible
@@midnightwithoutyou61 My point is about the power of editing to present a false representation of events. In fact, my point of the power of editing can be applied to all fields outside of sport too.
Cracking video and very interesting to learn more about Leeds United. As a Doncaster fan I think, a video about the "Raising From the Ashes" story of Doncaster Rovers. With our former Chairman Ken Richardson trying to burn the ground down and then John Ryan buying the club and getting us to the championship. Very interesting story I think
I recall watching Doncaster at Peterborough in the season they got relegated to the Conference and wondering what looked so oddand old-fashioned about their shirts. Then I realised - no sponsors logo. They were that hard-up. They had lost 8-0 at Orient a week or so previous and i went along anticipating a deluge. Rovers ended up winning 1-0. Belle Vue looked pretty decrepit when I watched Scarborough play there the following season.
The excellent book “Fifty Years of Hurt” by Henry Winter says, despite what his public persona is outside of West Yorkshire, Revie was a decent man who revolutionised the game, years ahead of his time.
Thanks for a fair-minded assessment of his and the teams mentality. I think he craved self justification .he was obsessive and passionate and never happy or settled with life and it's unpredictabilities .he didn't trust himself or anybody else I hope he's found peace and am thankful for the most exciting experiences of my life
From what I’ve learned and seen, Leeds have fully earned their negative reputation. The media don’t need to do anything, the fans and the club does it all perfectly fine by itself.
they were a good team but my god were they dirty bastards on the pitch im all for good old fashioned physical english footbal but what they did was closer to GBH than football
I'm going to assume, sir, that you actually saw Leeds play and have some examples in mind that back up your case. But then, what about the Liverpool team, who were always built on a spine of thugs, or Chelsea who had anyone of half a dozen leg breakers at their disposal. Arsenal and Newcastle, too. Birmingham, Stoke, WBA - all bruisers. Even cultured Burnley would give you a shoeing. And good help you if you came across one of the "little" clubs who wandered up into Div 1 back then - Luton, Carlisle et al. They were all dirty bastards back then. Or, more likely, today we have grown up watching soft bastards fatuously prancing about the pitch for mega-dollars and we've become soft bastards ourselves.
I hope Leeds gets promoted next season. It's been ages since I last saw them play in the Prem. With the likes of Villa, Newcastle and West Ham already occupying the league now, it doesn't hurt to have another classic British legend like Leeds up there again.
Newcastle? the biggest myth in English football have not won a thing in the modern era and had to give away ten thousand half season tickets this season because they couldn't fill the ground. As a Leeds fan it pains me to say that clubs like Forest or Derby are ten times the club Newcastle will ever be
''you can take all your medals , trophies , pots and pans and throw them in the nearest bin coz you haven't won any of them fairly'' clough knew the score!!
His problem was being overshadowed by Clough. Not just that they were around at the same time, but their personal rivalry and how openly Clough criticised him has made Revie seem less like a manager in his own right that a side character in the story of Brian Clough. And I think Clough was a better manager, even if he buggered up his stint at leeds, crucially he had more charisma though, that's why he overshadowed Revie so much
Clough’s success was after his rivalry with Revie unless you go by the fiction within the movie dammed United. Which is obviously where you have based your opinion from. Revie was successful 60s and 70s. Clough was at derby during that period and were nowhere near of the level of leeds. Clough was far more successful at Nottingham Forest and was there from 75 onwards and ending up relegating them in 93.
Ian Shaw yes not forgetting that but just making the point that their consistent successes in their careers were at different times so there was no overshadowing.
@@danielgraham5907 my opinion wasn't based on the damned united on account of the fact I haven't seen it. You're correct, although there is an overlap, their success was at different times. Revie may not have been overshadowed at the time, but now looking back: history kind of forgets Revie unless you're a Leeds fan. I'm just suggesting the reason for that is Clough. Rather than a manager in his own right, he kind of ended up remembered as a footnote to Clough
Fun fact: As a player, Revie has a system named after him called the Revie Plan. It was inspired by Hungary's tactics during their famous 6-3 victory over England in 1953. It involved Revie, who had the most important role in the system, coming to the centre of the field to receive the ball when attacks commenced, drawing the opposing centre half out of position. Using the system, Manchester City, the club Revie was at when it was used, lost their first game 5-0 (though their reserve team had used it and gone unbeaten for 26 games) but then improved and reached the FA Cup final, losing to Newcastle in what has been NUFC's last major trophy. Still using the system, City won the FA Cup in 1956 in the famous Trautmann final, in which German City keeper Bert Trautmann carried on playing despite a broken neck (and the injuries footballers complain of now!) Revie was tactically important even before management.
If I'm honest (and sorry if this is offensive to Leeds fans because this was all before my time): it sounds like he was an upgraded version of Sam Allardyce. Liked by players, relatively innovative for his time, physically tough but also canny football, hated by most opposition, a bit paranoid, good at transfer business despite financial constraints, and didn't have a particularly good relationship with the media.
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18 minutes?! Insane length, but suitable for such a character. Bravo, TiFo.
Wow. 18 whole minutes. That's, like, an entire lifetime dude. Average attention span of the standard RUclips user is about 18 seconds at most, so this is like reading War and Peace for them. They'll be dead before it finishes.
BigBlack81 nice profile picture
Second time i've watched it.
@@Kelly14UK Just watched it through again myself.
@@BigBlack81 Sidebar shows he's done a wee bit on Clough as well. I'll watch it sooner or later this week, been watching The Damned Utd clips for the past hour : )
Please do more of these longer style videos,enjoyed this.
Leeds were loathsome. Liverpool had v similar history but played with style. Revie was I think a rather mixed up person and reflected in his management. They weren't "hard" they were nasty. See Hunter backing away from Franny Lee who was half his size. Giles punching Keegan from behind. Why? Trying to get the ball. Sickening.
@@stephenreeds3672 Hunter backed off from Lee who was swinging wildly and acting like a maniac, (the Roy Keane of his day) most sensible people would do that. But I can't see how backing off makes someone "nasty". Explain?
@@stephenreeds3672 Leeds never murdered fans now did they?
word bro
Johnny lyle of whu ... Harry Bassett of Wimbledon?
It's interesting how similar the history of Leeds and Revie is to the one of Gladbach and Weisweiler in Germany. They both took over pretty uninspired and negligible teams in the 2nd divison (Revie 1961, Weisweiler 1964), they both completely changed the culture surrounding the club and implemented a "footballing DNA", they both gained promotion (Leeds 1964, Gladbach 1965), they both went on to win several league titles (Leeds 1969 and 1974, Gladbach 1970, 1971 and 1975), their national cup competition (Leeds 1972, Gladbach 1973), and european silverware (Leeds 1968 and 1971, Gladbach 1975). And interestingly, both Revie and Weisweiler had already left when the teams they built played and lost their only European cup final (Leeds 1975, Gladbach 1977).
This is more interesting than that very poor video
We are the Gladbach of Yorkshire?
I've thought that about Leeds and Gladbach before, too
Monchengladbach weren't thugs loathed by every team in Germany though
Well done Sir/Madam - excellent observation
Love or Hate Don Revie you can’t tell the story of English Football without him. If you try you’re doing a disservice. Class video
Which is why I find it a bit of tragedy that he's isn't talked about as much as he should today. Assume certain rumours played a part in that
Without Revie, Jack Charlton wouldn't have been in the world cup winning side but sulking and causing trouble in a mid-table 2nd division side.
@@jackmiller-johnston8689 Rumours, my arsenal. When they come from multiple sources, they are not rumours, they're just hushed up facts, because the scandal would likely have caused repercussions even beyond LUFC.
Chelsblue73 what rumours?
@@chelsblue7370 bit like your owner being a jacked up swindler who capitalises on the misfortunes of his nation and our dear old planet at large, small club big money
Hey TIFO, thanks for this video. love from India. People don't know but if come to Goa in India you'll still find people with Leeds shirt on And they haven't even played in the PL for 16 years. There are more Leeds fan in India than some of the current PL teams. I HOPE this is our year but even if it doesn't happen we're gonna give the boys a hand. Marching on together.
MOT. COME ON LEEDS !!!!
I am like you Ankush. A huge Leeds United. Tell all the Indian fans of Leeds United to keep on supporting the club. I believe that we could do it this year,
Yes I am from Mumbai and a Leeds fan as well
@@ElectricSoulShow I'm coming from the future. You're in the top 10, I think.
LUFC are back...glad you stayed with ‘em ! 👍🏼
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It’s bizarre how after all that success and rivalry with Clough, he’s faded into irrelevance from outside of being a leeds fan
Jake Waterfall --- It's because he was known to try to pay off other teams, various managers spoke about it in the Match of the 70s series.
Unlike Clough, Revie was a cheat. Just like Leeds United.
Trial by public opinion.
He's known in boro cos he is from teesside
@G G If VAR favours Liverpool so much, then why did they not get clear penalties given against Newcastle and Southampton? Why wasn't Man Utd's goal pulled back for a foul on Origi in the build-up? And why was Firmino's onside goal against Aston Villa adjudged to be offside?
The only reason morons like yourself think that VAR favours Liverpool, is that Liverpool have NEVER lost a game in which they have got a questionable VAR decision given against them, at the point of writing.
You're just too bitter to give credit where credit's due to Liverpool's world class quality and mentality.
I recall reading about Revie's Leeds that, whenever they went 1-0 up at Elland Road, all the ball boys would mysteriously go missing, so whenever the ball went out of play there was a lengthy delay in getting it back on the field, wasting precious time. I don't know whether it's true or not but I like to think it is, that's some god-tier shithousery.
Oh, shall we talk of 'today's' time waster's? Player's ROLLING about the floor as if they have just been poleaxed, calling for the physio because they have a 'slight' graze or a pimple on their leg whilst his team mates gather around the Ref' to try and get the offending player sent off, only for the SERIOUSLY injured player to get back on his feet and take the free kick himself and then 'sprint' down the field to support his team mates. We've certainly come a long way with how the beautiful game is now played, it just about makes me sick to watch today's 'filthy rich' Stars behave like Primary School Children.............NO............they are WORSE than that, and people call Leeds of those days CHEATS.
@@NeilBevan-to7bn When did I say that Leeds were "cheating", or that their behaviour was worse than modern-day divers? If anything, I was praising them for their shithousery. I don't see how my comment could have prompted this rant.
@@F1Krazy I 'did' read your comment wrong then, as I thought it was a negative towards them, so my apologies. Many would see that particular tactic as cheating, but compared to today's multi million pound theatrical performers, I know which I prefer.
The man who brought me Leeds United while all around me shouted for Man U or Liverpool. Its been eventful to say the least. ALAW MOT
One romantic story. I'm plunging through the English football history and never came across this one. This video really absorbs you! Great work.
I never thought there was so much more to don revie other than just thinking that matt busby and bill shankly were visionaries on their own. Great video guys!
When Don Revie was made Leeds manager he actually went to Matt Busby for advice.
And Bill Shankly admired and respected Leeds United.
@@CB-xr1eg Same with Shanks. He also went to Busby for advice. I actually saw the entire Leeds squad having lunch in The Midland hotel before a match @ Old Trafford mid seventies. No problems between Utd fans and the Leeds team. The problems in those days were just between the 2 sets of fans!
@@KryptonitetoallBS Revie showed Liverpool and their fans respect when Leeds went to Anfield and won the title. After the game Revie got the team to walk to the Kop and applaud them. They did so and it all went quiet for about 30 seconds, then a Liverpool fan got on his mates shoulder and started chanting *CHAMPIONS* to the Leeds team. The whole Kop joined in and it went on for a few minutes. That's massive respect from both sides.
@@CB-xr1eg Yes Clive it is. Sad how things have changed. The first and only Hillsborough chant I ever heard was by Leeds fans in Magaluf as the team had a well earned end of season holiday after promotion to Div 1. I met and drank with Mel Sterland, Strachen, Jones, Kamara, Chapman etc on a nightly basis. Vinny was nutz btw!!
He was very ahead of his game in the English leagues in terms of scouting and tactics, yet for a scientific man was so superstitious
his techniques and mentality were noted and espoused by Martin O'Neill , one of the three managers exempted from the UEFA Super Licence (Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are the other 2). Revie's scouting and training regime are , somewhat indirectly part of the USL now
pull the other one. Don Revie was a crook.
Chish and Fips funny despite taking £7.5k from the Daily Mirror Gary Sprake was never willing to repeat the allegations under oath at court.
London media just never liked a northern industrial city succeeding.
@@Eevee13-xo How easy it is to come on a comment section throwing acusations around with no proof. Where you even born when Revie managed Leeds?
Show some evidence of what you're saying or just stfu.
@@SantomPh nonsense. This methids were based in cheating and manipulation...utter rubbish to say they form any textbooks guidelines today
It felt like a documentary. Great work, cheers
Yes! Very well done Tifo! Your narrating voice is superb!
Something tells me you needs to brush up on the late 60's and early 70's football. Watch football hardmen for 1 and watch glory, glory Leeds United. Back in a time when 6 or 7 clubs could win the league
Malcolm McDonald during a Q&A said something like 'he didn't want me in the team and told me so. He said he felt pressured to play me and would drop me as soon as I failed. Prior to the England-Cyprus match, I spoke with a few of the players who were shocked and rallied together to spite him. They said 'every time we're on the attack we'll pass it to you'. We won 5-0 and I scored all 5'.
The story of the rise and fall of Revie's Leeds is worthy of a hollywood movie, full of adversity, triumph and ultimately tragedy. Whatever the rights of wrongs, it is one of the great stories of English football. RIP Mr Revie, a genuine great
Man, Gary Sprake gets a hard time here. First called 'Barry Sprake' and then 'Gary Spark'
Alec James thanks for confirming, I thought my ears were playing tricks on me.
Let this great video down massively.
Alec James I’m glad you confirmed that for me I thought I was hearing things!!
Thinking the same thing. Biggest own goal since Barry Spark threw the ball into his own net.
It just undermines the whole film. I thought it was quite balanced otherwise.
My dad loved Don Revie when he played for Man City and followed his career after that,i seen him play for Sunderland and Leeds great player and manager
Another Tifo Football masterclass. Thank you very much lads
It is largely forgotten now that Revie was an innovative top class player in his day and played 6 times for England. He was credited with being the first deep lying centre forward in English football in the 1950s. However,even during his playing days he was a prickly character and moved clubs regularly. He took his somewhat obsessive character into management which proved to be his greatest strength but also a significant weakness. He worked wonders to rejuvenate Leeds in the early 1960s and turn them into a force to be reckoned with by the end of the decade. But he made many enemies along the way because of the "combative" style his team employed.All the top clubs in this era,with the possible exception of Clough's Derby, had their cloggers but at times Leeds did take things too far. Revie was totally unapologetic about this which infuriated the big wigs at the Football League even more. His team won a lot but should have won even more. There were some unjust losses,especially the 1973 European Cup Winners Cup Final, and other occasions where the team just did not show up in vital games.The 1973 Cup Final loss to Sunderland is the most obvious example. Revie's legacy is ultimately clouded over the allegations against him of trying to bribe opposition players to throw games. Yes he was never charged or convicted of anything, but at the height of the allegations in the late 1970s he was a rich man and could have chosen to sue the national newspapers who made the allegations.... but he chose not to.
One of the great teams in English football history.
Chelsea a bigger club than leeds
@@keyuantejohnson6266 Fuck me you're everywhere you sad boring repetive dick head.
In your dreams
@@clivebaxter6354 not my dreams mate I do t support them
Love this video length. Obviously takes longer to produce but 15-20 minutes means you can get truly invested and understanding of the topics mentioned. Bravo
this TIFO video about to feel like a movie
In some ways though, he left one of the most lasting legacies in English football. When they were relegated to the third tier for the first time some years back, it was widely reported that their result on the final day that sent them down was cheered as it came over the tannoy at every ground in the country. From Southampton to Carlisle , Shrewsbury to Norwich , everyone celebrated Leeds' relegation. The majority of those people weren't even alive during the Revie era. That's how enduring the legend of Dirty Leeds is.
BTW, "The damned United" is an excellent movie. Covers this and highly recommend it.
I concur.
Good movie but a lot of it is falsified for dramatic effect. They hardly delve into revies character.
The Damned United is a fiction. Clough, magnificent bastard that he was, deserved the truth of his story to be told.
The film is a take on Clough, not Leeds. The book is, too, really, but it’s style carries a lot of it forward, relying on what it shows went on in Clough’s head, which the author couldn’t possibly have known. Neither are an attempt to portray the reality of what occurred. No attempt is made to show anything from a Leeds perspective in either fiction.
@@shaneclapham1676 yea its more of Clough's story rather than Revies. What a performance from Michael Sheen though
As someone from the North East I am proud we produced 3 of the greatest British Managers of all time
Yes , indeed !
Cloughie, The Great Sir Bobby Robson and Bob Paisley=FANTASTIC and don't forget Harry Catterick at Everton and Harry Potts winning the Title for Burnley.....!!!
Joe Box sir Bobby Robson
Aye, but the greatest are Scottish.
Busby/Shankly/Ferguson were all amazing....
@@Isleofskye You can't count Clough. On his own he was average, he won next to nowt without his mate Taylor. Check the facts before you reply and disagree with me.
I,m a die hard liverpool fan but the Leeds team of the 70s was fantastic
Kevin Keegan said it was sad that Revie had not been accorded the respect he deserved and according to Alan ball, M Allison and several other players/coaches, they were the best team Britain has ever produced, one said that they were the first professional club, ie, everything was planned and practised to achieve the maximum efficiency. Yes, they were hard and would 'try it on' when the ref was not looking, but other teams were hard and on the fringe of what Leeds did. Shankly, a great rival, never criticised them for being dirty and said their games against each other were the great games of football. Both of the managers and teams had the greatest respect for one another.
@@dinerouk Well said Peter
A short, and very interesting video and to the point as well. He changed Leeds from nobodys to a team to fear. He won a lot of trophies with Leeds, but it could have been more if it wasn't for so many games being played in other tournaments.
When he left Leeds for the England job, it didn't go the way it was expected to. I think he should of come back to ER at some point when Leeds were going through a bad patch.
He is Leeds,and will be Leeds.
Don Revie, the greatest manager in Leeds history, and, in my opinion, one of the greatest in, at the very least, English football history.
He led a team of thugs and cheats
As a liverpool fan and being brought up in the greatest football era ever, and i would not call leeds dirty it was the era when football was hard with hard players, not the rolling round and screaming we have today. playing on bowling green pitches, and with a nice light ball to kick.
They were basically informed by the shocking methods of Italy and Spain etc. That's unfortunately why Dundee, Liverpool (Shankly v Inter) and Derby suffered in 60s and 70s outings because they all basically played by the rules - and Forest got a lucky break quite frankly when UEFA finally woke up to the likes of Juvē and other S. European teams. I think the rancour comes from the fact the League and FA turned a blind eye to their behaviour because they were seen as England's best bet in Europe early on.
The ball. Hate it & it changed football. It has all the dynamics of a indoor smaller ball. It has made the game quicker & thus tackles are much less. Till the end of the millennium and from about 1966 it was unchanged, yes the pre war & fifties the ball was a lumpen thing & as said it was changed & perfect for all these decades. Mighty Whites keep fighting.
@@wildbill6826 Yep, the ball was a crucial change. Once it became impermeable, and therefore much lighter in practice, it made the game play more and more like a court sport. Add the stealth synthetic surfaces, slippers for boots and protection of the ball carrier, and the competitive game now looks like astropark training. Or a weird, trivial basketball/handball with a touch of ice hockey style game.
Dirtyest team evet
As the famous George Best quote goes ‘every team had a hard man, leeds had 11 of them’
Him and cloughie were in a class of their own. Although I preferred clough's football you cant doubt how good and genius revie was
Strangely Revie and Clough were more alike than we probably think. They were both managers who believed in recruitment at a time where loyalty to your team was everything. They used different training methods and techniques. But, most of all, they highlighted the need for European success. Before the 60's British teams didn't do European football, it was a luxury few could afford or want. Revie and Clough were 15 years ahead of their time. I think Liverpool in the 80's under Shankly finally saw that comparison between the two men.
Don Revie was a grate manager and very under appreciated, I did not realise how far he took Leeds from were he first found them. Your videos are excellent bye the way Tifo
He's not under appreciated. He is largely ignored by the media because of the bribery allegations he never addressed.
great manager
I didn't know his story and ngl I teared up a bit at the end. great video as always, Tifo
reevie accomplishments speak for themselves what he achieved was truly exceptional.
A sad ending for someone who gave so much.
A superb team that never got the recognition they deserved
debatable.
MARCHING ON TOGETHER!
He didn’t win as many silverware as he projected, he and Leeds were one of the greatest first-runners in the English football. However, I enjoy watching the FA Cup final when defeated Arsenal, it was well-played footbal, as much dynamic as nowadays matches.
1970 was better😉
This video fails to ask an intriguing question: "Would Leeds have won even more had they ditched the 'Dirty Leeds' style?" In the 1973-4 season, Leeds decided to clean up their act and just play football. They easily won the league.
Younger viewers probably do not understand just how competitive English football was in the era when Leeds showed stunning consistency in finishing 1st or 2nd seven times in 10 years. Each season 7 or 8 teams started the season with reasonable aspirations to win the league. However, the proof of how good a footballing team Leeds were was shown not so much in England as in Europe. Including the 1975 European Cup Final, played by the team Revie built but after his departure, Leeds played in 5 European finals in 9 years.
The antipathy towards Leeds came not just from London but probably even more so from Lancashire. The rivalry with Man Utd was especially intense. As the video suggests, Revie's reputation was tarnished by his failure at managing England and his hurried departure, possibly because he was fearing imminent arrest in the UK. Revie also liked money and Malcolm MacDonald has a story that illuminates why journalists didn't like Revie.
Exactly right. One reason they didn't win so much was they refused to buy a decent goalie. But the '73-74 team did play glorious football. And they gave Barcelona - Cruyff and all - a real tanning at Elland Rd in the 75 European Cup semi final.
The point about the competitive League was true, too. Leeds, Liverpool, Everton, both Manchester sides, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham from 64-66, - don't forget Leicester, Burnley and Newcastle, who were happy to piss on anyone's birthday cake at any given time, Arsenal and Derby for a season or two at the end.
In a way Revie was slightly fortunate in the fact the vast majority of his team was at the club for virtually the whole of the glory years. The only other time thats happened in England in the 50 years ive been watching football was Fergusons kids at united 30 years later. who were together for 10 years but there is no doubt chasing so many competitions also cost the club combined with bad luck. the 67 cup semi final, WBA loss in 71, 2 european finals were both reffed by bent officials, the title decider in 72. they probably should have won 10 or 11 trophies
@@dlamiss You're correct about the same Leeds team playing together for a decade. It certainly showed when they mostly got old together and Leeds went into sharp decline after 1975. A lesson learnt by Liverpool, who adopted a policy of buying 1 or 2 young players every year even if they had just had a successful season. There are reasons though for the players staying at Leeds. The maximum wage had only been abolished in the early 1960s and there was little differentiation in pay between clubs. This had changed by 1980 when the successful Ipswich team was plundered. It was also down to Revie however, who cultivated a NOLU culture within the club that kept the players there. The players also learnt on international duty that Revie's methods were far advanced from what was happening at other clubs.
@@cbarclay99 The ironic thing about the decline was there were still pretty decent players there.Mcqueen, Jordan, Hankin, Currie, Hurd, Mckenzie, Gray E and F, Hawley,. OK they werent as good as the likes of Bremner and Giles but the club should certainly have remained a top 6/7 side for years to come
@@dlamiss From memory, Leeds didn't seem to integrate the flair players they bought, especially Currie. I presume down to poor or mediocre management. The sale of McQueen and Jordan to United also showed that differentials in wages were beginning to appear.
Watching this after watching The Damned United a few weeks back. Great work Tifo !
Brilliant video!!! Loved the extended lenght and within your style of presentation worked masterfully, would like to see more story time videos like this one on more excentric characters in football history, sir bobby robson would be a good one!! Brian Clough and Peter Taylor as well! Much success to you lads, just magnificent work
BRAVO!!! When TIFO is good there is nothing like it...
Leeds Fans know what a great manager the Don was, we don't give a fk what anyone else thinks MOT !!
Nah grade a tosspot.. & bent as a butchers hook
M. O. T. LUFC
The dirty play and cheating and harassment by Jack Charlton , Norman ( RIP ) Cooper , Giles , Bremner and Clarkey , in particular , was under Revie. Just seen " The Damned United" and what those thugs DELIBERATELY did to Derby just b4 Derby's European Cup Semi-Final in Juventus when they DELIBERATELY put half the team out injured was disgusting...
@@Isleofskye the damned united is very exagerated
Very True. What I thought was ridiculous was the height of the Actor playing Johnny Giles..lol
I'm Man city fan, older enough to remember when he played for Man City saw him playing for City Reserves when at one time when he couldn't get in City first team.
Don revie a legend at man city
Even 50 years on a lot of people seemingly have strong opinions on Don Revie's Leeds United. Only great sides leave a mark like that. Enough said.
Yep they certainly liked to leave a mark!
I still have a strong opinion about Genghis Khan , Stalin , Chairman Mao and Attila The Hun and The Vikings so , like Alexander , they , also , must be " grea t"
Apparently Hitler was a tad unpleasant , as well....
Isleofskye I think he is talking about leavin a good mark lol, not a bad one
Fair point , my friend though I think 1 or 2 of those I mentioned were just misunderstoood :)
Only since the film you Muppet ..come on utd
Absolutely fantastic script and video, once again. Thank you Tifo!
Dirty Leeds Done Dirt Cheap
spectacular
best comment
Jojo and Football what a truly Bizarre combo
@@H4shbrowns530 Jojo my ballsack, that is not where it comes from
One of the most famous clubs in the world.
Leeds are one of the biggest clubs in England. Fact.
One of the most inspiring stories in english football at that time with him and bryan
I am Liverpool all the way but i was close to being Leeds when Eric Cantona was there. That TV debate with Clough is infamous
Just proving the plastic nature of the fan base that follows the Sky 6
@@michealflaithbheartaigh4139 actually, it was a coverage issue. I am British but I lived in Madagascar at the time and they just didn't show Leeds enough, no premier league packages then I read more about them more than i actually watched. So no, I'm not a band wagoner
These videos are some of the best not only on football - but on the platform. well done
Excellent video, great analysis. It is wonderful to learn important aspects about a manager from a bygone era; tactics, strategy, approach etc.
It is a shame he is not given the full credit for his achievements, methodology that were way ahead of its time.
What is perhaps even worse when he died, the FA never sent a representative to his funeral, that was awful.
This man has never made a bad video all are top notch quality
Revie vs. Clough may resemble the Bilardo vs. Menotti in certain aspects.
Cynicism and grit vs. Romanticism
Don Revie: you get nowt for being second vs Brian Clough: I do believe in fairies
And we know who the better and more universally manager was.
I don't remember there being a minute of silence throughout the football pyramid after revie died....
This video is absolutely brilliant..!! A true gem of storytelling! Wow!
Superb, never knew half of this and wanted a decent roundup.
👏👏👏👏 excellent work Tifo! Great story worth telling, and worth the fabulous artwork graft!
Funnily enough Clough also played up front for Sunderland nearly scoring a goal a game before being forced into management through injury. Then lads boss Alan Brown was said to be the inspiration for Clough’s management style.
What a fantastic story, that would certainly suffice as movie material. Well Done Tifo.
The Don is and forever will be adored and loved by LEEDS! ALAW MOT 💙💛
Brillianr in deth history by tifo, not afraid to tackle all the issues. Bravo.
If only we had more old-school managers like this now who could slap down young players egos and force them to grow up.
Oh, I'd doubt it! 'Player power' isn't just a lazy soundbite, unfortunately.
When they try like Mourinho did at Manchester United, they get run out of town.
@@wvu05 Mourinho just wants the team to get their arses working and act like winners. Revie turned most of the Leeds starting 11 into a group of thugs so aggressive that it made Liverpool look like angels. Compared to Revie, Mourinho was soft.
@@oranges866 I think you misunderstood my point. I was not talking about tactics, I was talking about discipline. The Special One needs that in order to get special results. There's a video where he talks about his career, and he said that there were games where he knew that his teams would not concede a goal if a game was 900 minutes. However, dealing with poison like Pogba meant that his system couldn't work the way he wanted it to, and the board sided with Pogba.
@@wvu05 i understood clearly that it's about discipline. i just said that Mourinho is soft compared to Revie's Leeds, a bunch of criminals.
That's really well done. Wonderful narration from Devine.
The last time I was this early there was no affiliation by athletic
@Samwerly Originally on The Atheltic
God I hate the athletic videos
Only one Don Revie, one Don REVIE ,THERES ONLY ONE DON REVIE THANKS BOSS R.I.P
I have no doubt that if Don Revie wasn't superstitious, he would have been the greatest manager that England had ever produced
I think he needed a Peter Taylor working with him ;someone who would have tempered his superstitions and ultra defensive mode (often applied for no reason or gain) and found a few more players that would have seen them win a lot more-the 1969-70 season of ultimate failure was probably down to just 15 or 16 players being used for an entire league and Cups campaign; they were shagged out!
No debate. he is and always will be, OUR DON.
The most exciting time at Leeds.... how the southern bums loved to hate us and still do they couldn’t stand how successful we had become.... they all were envious of our success and would not give Leeds any credit what so ever. The mighty Leeds made me a proud Leeds United Supporter and Don Revie and his team will never be forgotten it’s in the History Books 😁 they can’t take that away from us.
“how the southern bums loved to hate us” Pipe down son, there’s 2 Lancashire clubs that’ve won 39 top flight league titles between them, let alone the other clubs, how many do you and the rest of Yorkshire have?
@@siamesevodka best manager who leeds Eva had was clough and he was there for 44 days lol 😆 🤣 😂
It wasn't only Southerners who loathed you. The whole country did. And for all the hype, you weren't that successful.
Not good enough to beat Celtic in the 1971 European Cup final, Celtic won both matches.
Just appreciating how lengthy this animation is. Superb job!
Leeds should’ve won more with the side they had
Leeds won on the pitch but they were outplayed by the FA and sundry referees.
Roy D
Big Jack said it best in one season
" We were runners up in the FA CUP lost the league on goal difference to Liverpool knocked out in the semi finals of the fair's cup some players would give their whole career's for a season like that the town was buzzing and we won nothing that year but we were involved in every major trophy right to the last " so true I was a lad then and going down to Elland road to see the Revie aces was magical thanks Don
They were robbed of two European trophies tbf
@@stealthiscool Agree with that.The 73 Cup Winners final was decided by a bent ref & the 75 final saw a blatant penalty denied (even Beckenbaur admits this) & an incomprehensible decision to disallow Lorimer's goal.
Probably should've had 2 more championships and completely robbed of a European Cup and Cup Winners' Cup.
Wonderful and detailed story, thank you! I had heard of Dirty Leeds but now I know more. I'd love to see more of these longer video narrative-like stories
I would recommend everyone to watch "THE DAMNED UNITED(2009)" movie
If you are a football lover then you can't miss this movie
It's a wild fiction that plays fast and loose with the few facts it cares to present.
The book is better
Considerably so, I am told.
@Irham Hilmy Yes it's from Clough's point of view. It's a historical fiction. So it's what the author imagines went on behind the scenes.
There's so many factual errors -
it shows them playing Everton as part of their Division 2 promotion montage. I'm sorry, but Everton simply don't do Division 2.
The whole story about him being offered the Leeds job while on the beach in Spain and reneging on his deal to manage Brighton is rubbish - he had been at Brighton all season and they were 19th in the Second division at the time.
The game where he played the full strength team against Leeds was the quarter final, not the semi. He played Arsenal before the semi, won 2-0, had no players injured and lost because of, as he put it "a cheating eye-talian bastard" of a referee (and he had two players suspended).
He knew full well Don Revie was going to be Yorkshire TV show. That's why he did it.
He never went to the FA to plead for Billy Bremner. A club director and, of all people, Kevin Keegan did. Bremner was also deeply ashamed and emotionally very upset (at the point of tears said Keegan) after the dismissal, not snotty and recalcitrant as shown.
Dave Mackay and Duncan Mckenize both get terrible service from the film - McKenzie, who is one of the most erudite and witty men in the game, not the simpleton he is made out to be and Mackay who is painted as the villain for events that happened two years after he left the club. He was right to sue and right to win.
At one point Leeds are introduced as the champions of England - if the date in the film is to be believed, Manchester United were, in fact, champions at the time.
The FA Cup tie where Revie allegedly snubbed Clough was actually played in Leeds, not Derby.
Colin Todd is playing for Derby in the movie two years before he actually signed for them (Colin Todd, by the way, was a superb footballer. He should have been Bobby Moore's naturals successor)
There's also (and this isn't hard fact), the feeling it's that the Brian Clough from post 1984 (when his powers did start to wane and the drink started to blur his judgement) that they have taken back and thrown into the film/book and not the magnificent, cocky, instinctive and brilliant manager he was in his pomp. Leeds made him a better manager because it sent him to Forest (where he replaced Dave Mackay) with a point to prove. And he did emphatically prove it. He surpassed Revie in every way (not that Revie wasn't a good man and a great manager in his own right) and proved himself the greatest English manager since 1970, if not ever. The internet kids won't know this - they can't - the narrative doesn't allow for us to talk about dead people or people who even existed before 1992. But we old timers, know. We had Cloughie and Revie and Shankly and the internet kids don't. And we are so much the richer for that experience.
Nice video, would have been nice to see have seen some more on the fact that Leeds undoubtedly played amazing football under him in the first division, as well as the well documented dirty side
Pronounced Revvy when I was a lad. In Leeds.
Yeah, I always knew him as “Revvy” too, as a lifelong Leeds supporter and all my family from Leeds.
@@LeoDragon34 All normal people pronounce it " Revvy".
His achievements, admiration and trophies speak for themselves
Surprised no mention of the European cup with Bayern and those sketchy decisions by the officials like Milan
A wonderful production. Well done, TiFo.
Brillianty made!
Another absolute gem of a video 👌 Thank you!
Very well researched.......enjoyed it.....do one on howard kendalls great 80s side
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Dirty Leeds - As Chelsea Supporter
The 1970s Cup Final was a Brutal Game - Red Cards for both teams
Having briefly mentioned Brian Clough, people say he was the best manager to never take on the England job. Would you agree?
Clough No doubt
There are many better managers all over the world and throughout history that was or is better. But among English managers, perhaps.
You must also remember that being a national team manager is quite different from being a club manager, Revie is an example of that. From my own country Norway, Drillo is another. He took a thoroughly mediocre footballing nation into the very top of football, at one point being ranked as number 2 (in -92), and was amongst the top his entire tenure. He understood statistics and their importance in football better than anyone else at the time, and was one of the first to truly understand the power of zone defence and pressing (as well as tactical oddities like a wide target man,a playmaking fullback and number 8s that could run 120 minutes, but not play football). But he was not a people person, and never had anywhere close to the same success at a club. He knew tactics and numbers, and instructed already professional players to implement his tactics withotu any fuss, and he demolished teams with much better players than he had availble to him. And that's what you need from a national team manager, a tactical genious that can bring forth the very best of what is availble, not someone that is good at building a club and a culture and inspires loyalty and cohesiveness in the long run.
He wouldn't have been able to play John McGovern with England so he would have been lost...a facetious comment yes, but he was never one for 'star' players so its hard to know how he might have done with England.
By a mile yes
Clough would have been the ideal option. Greenwood was just a yes man....The reason Clough didn't get the job was because he was too opinionated the the FA were scared of him. There's no doubt Clough could get things out of players no other manager could......BUT.....he would only have been successful if Peter Taylor had gone with him.
An excellent video and I hope more to come
Another thing about Leeds was consistency. Apart from the goal keeper position which Revie eventually chose Harvey because Sprake made mistakes the other 10 players were always the same. Even with one and then two substitutes. Rennie, Charlton, Hunter, Cooper, Gray, Bremner, Giles, Lorimmer, Jones and Clarke. When a few retired in the early 70s Cherry, McQueen, Yorath and Jordan came in yet Revie loved a settled side. He would have hated Ranieri and his tinker man philosophy!
I forgot about Sprake. He was a complete liability at times, would make a great save one minute, then let the ball slip through his hands the next. Harvey was a truly great goalkeeper.
@@ghostdancer444 Thw word "great" gets used for anyone who played twice for Scunthorpe reserves these days. Harvey was a good keeper and pretty safe but "great", a million miles away.
Great video, 18 minutes felt like it was only 3 minutes long. Very enjoyable
Don Revie, a great manager!
been waiting for this😍
In the trailer for The Damned it shows Jack Charlton running at Peter Osgood and kicking him up in the air - cup final replay 1970. However, what it didn't show - in fact, was edited out - was a nano second before Osgood had raked his studs down the back of Charlton's calves. Fairness in presentation? Yeah, right. And I'm not a Leeds fan.
To be fair, the 1970 FA Cup final was pretty brutal, there were hard tackles on both sides. Still my favourite football match of all time.
@@kadasrichard I was just pointing out how biased The Damned film was. That editing of Osgood's tackle was deliberately cut to make Charlton look awful. Terrible
@@martyn26.2 Yeah it was pretty biased,painted Leeds in the worst possible light
The presentation is about LEEDS maybe this presentation is not for you. Go looking for the incident your referring to under the banner of Chelsea.
@@midnightwithoutyou61 My point is about the power of editing to present a false representation of events. In fact, my point of the power of editing can be applied to all fields outside of sport too.
Cracking video and very interesting to learn more about Leeds United.
As a Doncaster fan I think, a video about the "Raising From the Ashes" story of Doncaster Rovers. With our former Chairman Ken Richardson trying to burn the ground down and then John Ryan buying the club and getting us to the championship. Very interesting story I think
I recall watching Doncaster at Peterborough in the season they got relegated to the Conference and wondering what looked so oddand old-fashioned about their shirts. Then I realised - no sponsors logo. They were that hard-up. They had lost 8-0 at Orient a week or so previous and i went along anticipating a deluge. Rovers ended up winning 1-0. Belle Vue looked pretty decrepit when I watched Scarborough play there the following season.
The excellent book “Fifty Years of Hurt” by Henry Winter says, despite what his public persona is outside of West Yorkshire, Revie was a decent man who revolutionised the game, years ahead of his time.
Thanks for a fair-minded assessment of his and the teams mentality. I think he craved self justification .he was obsessive and passionate and never happy or settled with life and it's unpredictabilities .he didn't trust himself or anybody else I hope he's found peace and am thankful for the most exciting experiences of my life
Sounds like the media have been slogging Leeds ever since they were created as a football club
James Cusack --- That's just was Leeds fans like to think, that they are hard done by...
From what I’ve learned and seen, Leeds have fully earned their negative reputation. The media don’t need to do anything, the fans and the club does it all perfectly fine by itself.
they were a good team but my god were they dirty bastards on the pitch im all for good old fashioned physical english footbal but what they did was closer to GBH than football
They hate us because they ain’t us
I'm going to assume, sir, that you actually saw Leeds play and have some examples in mind that back up your case. But then, what about the Liverpool team, who were always built on a spine of thugs, or Chelsea who had anyone of half a dozen leg breakers at their disposal. Arsenal and Newcastle, too. Birmingham, Stoke, WBA - all bruisers. Even cultured Burnley would give you a shoeing. And good help you if you came across one of the "little" clubs who wandered up into Div 1 back then - Luton, Carlisle et al. They were all dirty bastards back then. Or, more likely, today we have grown up watching soft bastards fatuously prancing about the pitch for mega-dollars and we've become soft bastards ourselves.
I hope Leeds gets promoted next season. It's been ages since I last saw them play in the Prem. With the likes of Villa, Newcastle and West Ham already occupying the league now, it doesn't hurt to have another classic British legend like Leeds up there again.
Newcastle? the biggest myth in English football have not won a thing in the modern era and had to give away ten thousand half season tickets this season because they couldn't fill the ground. As a Leeds fan it pains me to say that clubs like Forest or Derby are ten times the club Newcastle will ever be
''you can take all your medals , trophies , pots and pans and throw them in the nearest bin coz you haven't won any of them fairly'' clough knew the score!!
Brilliant video - absolutely fascinating hearing about Leeds' history.
His problem was being overshadowed by Clough. Not just that they were around at the same time, but their personal rivalry and how openly Clough criticised him has made Revie seem less like a manager in his own right that a side character in the story of Brian Clough.
And I think Clough was a better manager, even if he buggered up his stint at leeds, crucially he had more charisma though, that's why he overshadowed Revie so much
Clough’s success was after his rivalry with Revie unless you go by the fiction within the movie dammed United. Which is obviously where you have based your opinion from. Revie was successful 60s and 70s. Clough was at derby during that period and were nowhere near of the level of leeds. Clough was far more successful at Nottingham Forest and was there from 75 onwards and ending up relegating them in 93.
@@danielgraham5907 dcfc football league champions 1971/72
Ian Shaw yes not forgetting that but just making the point that their consistent successes in their careers were at different times so there was no overshadowing.
@@danielgraham5907 my opinion wasn't based on the damned united on account of the fact I haven't seen it. You're correct, although there is an overlap, their success was at different times. Revie may not have been overshadowed at the time, but now looking back: history kind of forgets Revie unless you're a Leeds fan. I'm just suggesting the reason for that is Clough. Rather than a manager in his own right, he kind of ended up remembered as a footnote to Clough
Peter Taylor was a big factor in Clough's achievements.
Revie wasn't everyone's cup of tea but his success at Leeds was immense.
Could you please do the fall of Queen's Park from the world's best to mid table in Scotland's fourth tier
Queen Sparke, Gary's mam
It's easy - they stuck to their amateur roots as the world around them changed into a professional enterprise
Fun fact: As a player, Revie has a system named after him called the Revie Plan. It was inspired by Hungary's tactics during their famous 6-3 victory over England in 1953. It involved Revie, who had the most important role in the system, coming to the centre of the field to receive the ball when attacks commenced, drawing the opposing centre half out of position. Using the system, Manchester City, the club Revie was at when it was used, lost their first game 5-0 (though their reserve team had used it and gone unbeaten for 26 games) but then improved and reached the FA Cup final, losing to Newcastle in what has been NUFC's last major trophy. Still using the system, City won the FA Cup in 1956 in the famous Trautmann final, in which German City keeper Bert Trautmann carried on playing despite a broken neck (and the injuries footballers complain of now!) Revie was tactically important even before management.
Dammit thought that was a new fact got excited 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Does anybody else just watch these videos because they like the narrator’s voice?
together wih the worldclass choice of words and vocabulary
If I'm honest (and sorry if this is offensive to Leeds fans because this was all before my time): it sounds like he was an upgraded version of Sam Allardyce. Liked by players, relatively innovative for his time, physically tough but also canny football, hated by most opposition, a bit paranoid, good at transfer business despite financial constraints, and didn't have a particularly good relationship with the media.