I carried one when I was a grunt in Baghdad 2007. It was my secondary, I was the DM, but I doubled as the breach man. I ended up doing so much breaching during that deployment, firing so many rounds that I just ended up using it as my primary almost all the time. I trusted that shotgun with my life, and it never once failed, jammed or let me down. And I know for a fact, it was deadly effective. Mossberg 500.
@@rexman971 Nope. Just some old ass 500’s we had in the armory. I was in 3rd ID out of Stewart. Just basic, over the counter 500’s with Front bead sight. No rear aperture at all. No high speed BS either. Not even a flashlight.
My wife was with me when i bought my 590A1 SPX. She literally rolled her eyes when the guy at the counter opened the box, and there was a bayonet in it. It was worth getting it just for that!
It's a lot safer to let the guy trying to break through your door know that he's about to die when a 9" blade flies through the door next to his face. Never hAve to pulled the trigger
@@PrinceAsmodeus Google for The Saddlery & Gunroom Biggin Hill and that's where I got mine from, but they are WAY more expensive now than when I got mine (£350 then, £750 now!).
@@french1837 As mine is a section 2 (SGC) firearm, yes, the tube is crimped so it can only hold 2 cartridges (plus the one in the chamber). they can, however, be owned as section 1 (FAC) firearms and in that case there is no restriction.
@@SWATStrachan It's interesting I saw your comment today as I've been reading a biography of Winston Churchill and I also today found somewhat of a list of firearms he owned. He had a bunch of machine guns and so I looked into your laws over there (I'm Canadian) and it's just wild to me how fast disarmament can happen, and how far it can go. And it seems based on a YouGov poll I found that the majority of UK residents are in favour of even more restriction or just a total ban. It's happened very fast in Canada too ... and especially recently, so not picking on ya. At least for now, our shotties are safe.
Benelli have just announced an anti drone M4, shotguns are becoming relevant in a military context again as a squad defense against FPV drones and I'm here for it.
I’m not a gun guy, and I know even less about shotguns but the last 10 min breakdown you spent on this shotgun is like a love story…so impressed…I want one. Nice job and presentation.
Side note about breeching: if the shotgun is only being used to breech, dry-hull it. Shoot, and sling. Dont pump it and fiddle with the safety, just leave it until the next door and pump before indexing the gun. Jeff Gerwich (Modern Tactical Shooting) talks about it in his shotgun video, SF adopted dry-hulling after a breecher sent a round into his teammate while trying to safe his shotgun during training, they would it simpler and safer to just leave the fired shell in the chamber since the gun basically turns into cruiser-ready condition by default.
Regular civilian. Keeping a shotgun in my car and always carrying a pistol I mentally adopted this concept. I worried about slinging my shotgun while moving with a pistol and for whatever reasons it going off either blowing my head or leg off.
I carried a Mossberg 500 during my first tour in Iraq, and I loved it. One of the reasons we still use pump-action shotguns vs semi-auto is you don't always WANT the next round to be chambered. If I'm breaching a door then transitioning to an M4 or pistol, I don't want my shotgun in a red status. After I left AD, I was a manager at a sporting goods store for a couple years, and I always pushed Mossbergs. They're so easy to modify and there's a million different parts for them from buttstocks to pump grips to barrels. Even a novice can swap a field barrel to a home defense barrel in under a minute.
03-05 we had Mossberg 500s and buck shot for breaching because there were no special rounds we were still making it up as we went. I've owned a 500 since 97 and use it for hunting and training. Such a versatile and dependable shotie.
I've never been in the military but I like them for your stated reasons and for me they even sound better when racking a shell compared to the Remington 870.
you dont need to ever swap from one shot gun to another. thats pointless. just use one with multiple rounds. a shotgun JUST for breaching is rather stupid. using a pistol over a shotgun when breaching is stupid
Did a lot of breaching with the mossberg, Iraq had mostly steel doors, if you don’t shoot it pretty straight on. Your foot with take the ricochets. The pellets will roll straight down the steel doors and it can be bad. I always stood off to the side and kept it as straight on as possible for internal door locks. You really gotta imagine where the locking mechanism is and aim to hit that. Padlocks overseas are cheap and can be knocked off from any angle. Just my experience with it
I was a reserve infantryman in the CF for ten years or so, and we didn't have any experience with shotguns, so I got curious and got myself an 870 tactical. Sweet gun, and very versatile.
870 extractor are very subseptible to dirt. Causing feeding issues. Was a fan of them until I dropped mine in the dirt and it wouldn't eject the shells. Now I only use mossberg.
GT was my water survival instructor in 2018 when I was going through flight school pipeline. Solid dude. Still owes me the vid he promised of me almost drowning along side the coast guard SAR swimmer.
For every like this comment gets, I’ll do one squat. Make me feel something. Edit: I believe I have made a miscalculation. But I’m committed to my mistake. Make it hurt. I’ll post an update eventually. This will just take me a while. Peace ✌️
Unreal dad advice. I was in an accident on my motorcycle on Friday bc the motorist didn’t see me. I’m lucky to be alive and with minimal injuries…I went to the motorists house yesterday and gave him a big hug. We talked and joked for 20 minutes.
1978 greatest Christmas ever. I was 12 years old and my Dad got me a 12 gauge shotgun, Mossberg 500, with 2 barrels. A birdshot barrel and a smooth bore slug barrel. Many of rabbits, pheasant, grouse and deer have been taken with that gun. Still have it today and will pass it to grandson on his 12th birthday. I did have it rebuilt in 2006. Best gun I have ever owned. 🤘😎
Funny, I got my first 500A for my 12th birthday...I wore it out and restored it to new condition...that was 20 years ago. I still fire it from time to time...
I bought the same in the late 70's but mine came with the pistol grip to swap out with the stock. I found that kind of useless but fun, not fun firing 3in mag
30 years before that I was given a Mossburg 410 bolt with a C- lect choke and it was followed by a few Mossburgs but that little 410 is as sweet as they come.
Love this. As a patrol officer, there is a huge mindset nationwide amongst law enforcement that we don't need shotguns anymore because we have patrol rifles. Many agencies have completely gotten rid of their shotguns or converted them to less lethal bean bag guns. I have always maintained the shotgun still has a place in my inventory and that they're not obsolete.
What people don't know is that while a tool in the toolbox in a time of many different weapons platforms, at close range out to 100 yards...the shotgun is utterly devastating..it will always have a place in my opinion...
@myratsalad honestly, it has helped me quite a bit. Maybe try to stop making assumptions like a jackass. What I was referring to is that I've been able to find quite a few police trade in Remington 870s recently, and a few of them have been in great shape. The best part is the shop had so many of them they were letting them go dirt cheap just to get them out the door. Btw, I've always heard it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool instead of running your mouth and eliminating any doubt. Think about that as long as you need to, boy!
@@markdavidson1049 Shotguns deliver well over thousand ft lbs of energy, massive holes, one shell can contain MANY projectiles, I can put as if not more projectiles down range with a pump shotgun as a full auto.
"... at the right range with the right load, it will remove a chunk of shit from the attacker and throw that shit in the fkn floor..." That's what he told our class anyway. 😂
Pumpshotguns are still used because it's one of the very few things you can leave alone in a room with a marine, and it won't end up broken or pregnant.
In the late 80's, an interesting character walked into my fathers electronic manufacturing and design company, with 50 590's. He wanted us to convert the guns so that they'd project a laser when the trigger was pulled for a target game system he was making. We used the barrel as a conductor which sent a signal to the laser diodes which were packed in the front of the barrel (making contact with the barrel) and when you squeezed the trigger the firing pin (which was ground down) made contact with a sensor making contact with the barrel and sending the signal up the barrel to the laser. It was a wild and fun project and totally different than the baseball pitching machine controls that we manufactured. Think Duck Hunt but using actual shotguns. Bally-Midway bought the system from him in Las Vegas. Don't know what became of it but it was called "lightshot." I'll never forget that row of guns in our shop and being able to play with them every day.
I guess he was setting up a park game… or he was going to embark on a fight against anything that could get killed by lasers that’d be harmless to us. Lmao. ;)
@@nomercyinc6783 sure, but you put the game in a bar and you'll get a line out the door, at least during our local beta testing in 6 bars. People absolutely loved pumping real shotguns vs some plastic gun made to look like a toy. They made a lot of money $0.50 at a time. The game itself was a big LED screen (about the size of a traditional stand alone arcade game machine like pac-man) and random circles would be drawn and you had to shoot within them before they disappeared to score. The circles got smaller and disappeared faster as the game progressed. There were 2 shotguns per game so 2 people could compete. It was totally randomly generated so you couldn't get used to a pattern. We used infrared lasers shooting through a lens that put it in more of a wide pattern closer to a shotgun and with ir detectors every 5th pixel behind the led screen.
Please do videos on the following: -Shotgun Mud test -Review the ARAK-21 -Which is better the PKM or the M240B? -Possible Sand Tests for the future? -How good are mini shotgun shells vs 2 3/4? -Invite all the GunTubers you can to Idaho with a rifle that they would take into combat and have them run drills and compete with each other to see which rifle set up would work best.
Wow, that dad advice at the end really hit deep. Thank you Garandthumb. This is a serious and heartfelt comment. Shotgun then helps the dad energy by 100%.
Right?! I found myself making a concerted effort to forgive someone I’ve needed to. Doesn’t take the pain away, but it does keep them from renting real estate in your head that they’re not even paying for.
My Grandfather, I am 74 years old, was Danish and during WW 1 his job was shooting pigeons that were carrying messages, I inherited the Double Barrel 16 gauge shotgun.
I got my 590A1 years ago and I fell in love with it immediately. Admittedly I did have serious feed issued with it at first but after taking it apart and comparing the innards with my 500 I noticed that the shell retaining bar for the tube magazine was bent a little from the factory which caused it to not release a fresh shell most of the time. All I did was bend it back straight and from then on it has run absolutely flawlessly.
I bought mine about 9 years ago and had the same issue, wasn’t sure what it was since I wasn’t practical with shotguns so I sent it in to mossberg and got it fixed. Possibly a bad batch from that time.
It was a bad batch that made it through QA. I had the same thing and got in touch with Mossberg. The rep apologized and told me I could send it in or they could send me a replacement bar. I got the replacement bar. About a week after getting it the rep sent me an email asking if everything was working ok. I sent them a pic of scraps of paper hanging up at the range with the caption "Works great!".
@@Plaprad that’s awesome! Been thinking about upgrading to a semiautomatic one but I love the 590a1 so it’s hard to justify the price of one of the better semiautomatic ones like the benelli m4 or the beretta 1301
I had that issue with a 410 Mossberg 500E I bought for my daughter. Called Mossberg, they sent me the new part, solved it in a few minutes. I also have a 870, and it isn't nearly as easy to fix if there is a problem. I appreciate the fact that the Mossbergs are so seviceable by the owner.
I carry a Maverick 88 as my vehicle gun everywhere I go! During my career in the Marine Corps we carried them on Embassy duty and it saved my life. I later carried one on 4 trips to train on the ice cap in Greenland for polar bear defense! I never felt under gunned. They are the multi-tool of the gun world and they have worked for decades!😊
I have a 590A1. Heat shield, bayonet lug, and magpul pump/stock that i added a sling swivel to the heel of. Absolutely love the gun. I want an 18" and for about 5 minutes i contemplated trading it, but realized i couldnt bring myself to do it.
I had a 590 in the Navy. When I checked into 3/4 STA PLT in the early 90s, as their Navy Corpsman, I rated a pistol and a shotgun. Very versatile and underused platform.
When I was in shotgun club, the one instructor was able to shoot 3 clay pigeons out of the air with before the first shell hit the ground. He was running a pump too
@@jaimemartinez3866 I went with the super oddball one a couple years ago, 1980s 590 Bullpup. It's such and awkward firearm, literally bought it because it looks cyberpunk AF!
When I was in LE I was one of the few officers that still chose the shotgun over the AR. Its extremely versatile and over looked by most folks these days.
@@number1yota this is the way. I carried both but the shotgun came out way more than the ar. I had an older LT who always ran slugs and then buckshot behind it and swore by it. no idea why but I imagine it saved his ass at some point.
It made me flinch. Is that what they teach in the military these days? Cuz instead of flying live shells through the chamber, all you have to do is putcher finger in the loading port and press on the shell retainer thingies to unload the shells from there. Seeing somebody racking 'em through the gun tells me they don't know the weapon.
my favorite saying about shotguns with the war on terror, "we were only suppose to use shotguns for doors, but you would be surprised about how many doors had sandals and turbans
@@bedroomfarmer8960 Spelling always counts. The people who can do it judge those who can't, and they're often in a position to make your life better or worse.
@@warriorgospel81683rd grade math? They must’ve up the minimum Asvab scores required to get in then, in my day 1st grade math would confuse the fuq outta them 😂😂
The Marines sure as shit have some serious koolaid. I worked briefly in a recruiting office just after Basic in the Army. The Air Force was too good to share an office with the other branches so they weren't there. Anybody the Army couldn't take we sent across the hall to the Marines, if they couldn't take them they went down the hall to the Navy. The Navy took anybody. ANYBODY. And bizarrely any time a hot girl walked in it was straight to the damn Navy!
I bought my Mossburg 500 when I was 18 years old. It's been 36 years, and it still runs flawlessly. Thousands and thousands of rounds (couldn't even guess how many). I'll never sell it.
@GraniteStateofMind In other words. Analog let's you feel a vehicle/gun under you. Digital systems/semiautomatic shoguns have less interaction, hence less "feel" to it. I ride a motorcycle with no rider aids, such as abs or traction control. You can't control the bike as well. You can't "feel" the bike as much.
@@YacolJ You like to drive like F1 drivers, huh? I get the manual is better argument but not all of us are going 180 around corners to get to Starbucks. My solution to the shotgun semi vs pump argument was to get an M3. If it jams, I just pump it. Though it rarely jams.
Well, I mentioned to my 20 year old son that I wanted an 870 Marine magnum some 15 years ago and he never forgot. He bought me one last Christmas and I took pictures with him, me and the shotgun. It's like the Tomahawk. 100 percent highly affective in every scenario .
Carried a mossberg 500 on my first deployment to Iraq. I was a breacher, we had slugs, buckshot, and lockbusters. Hated carrying it, but was cool getting to use it, much like any non normal weapons in the military I guess.
The nice thing about the pump / slide action shotgun is that it will perfectly function and to use any type of shotgun cartridge, and it’s always super fun to pump the action.
"The nice thing about the pump / slide action shotgun is that it will perfectly function" haven't seen too many shooters with pump actions have you? people short stroke them or otherwise fail the pump constantly.
Small problem. If you're engaging a threat at this point, you're already behind the curve. Yeah, shotguns are not drop safe, so the first thing you do is rack it. Probably. Unless you need to front load a slug or 2. So much versatility!
This video probably has the best opening of all other GerandThumb videos. The shells coming out, the ping sound of the plates being hit, the pumping; a grand experience.
Ran the mossberg 500. Army infantry don’t get too many luxuries, our shotguns don’t even have a rear sight just a bead on the business end. I’ve ran stocked and pistol grip pumps and have breached many doors with it. I’ve conducted IWT and ran breacher courses with it as well as the lead instructor. I trust the mossberg 500 with my life and you should too
Great video! I LOVE MY 590A1... I trained with one at my PD, and fell in love with it. Immediately bought my own. I almost would take it over an AR in some aspects...... Not all, but definitely some.
Thank you. I've been saying this for years, and constantly have people trying to argue with me, that a shotgun can't do anything past around 50yds. Now I can send this to serveral of them.
I'm 68 now and have had my Remington 870 since I was 12 years old, it of course has the dual rail, and a Cap you can unscrew to clean the magazine tube.
One of my buddies was “doc” in a squad of Rangers. He often breached and held a pump action shotgun to do so, he told me once after shooting the hinges off a door, and breaching, he found that one of the hinges had went into a T man’s skull. His lead said if he found that hinge in his space he’d be getting a visit from MP, anyway he didn’t take the hinge but cool story.
Glad to see you covered the Mossberg 5xx series. I've always said that for every Benelli M4 there's 100 Mossbergs 500/590s (or Remington 870s) doing most of the 'legwork'. Whether it be hunting, LEO, Military, they're just cheap, solid quality, and ultra reliable. The Benelli is sure nice, but its the lambo to Mossbergs/Remingtons Corvette... More parts/accessories, more gunsmiths are gona be able to work on them, more ppl will have used them (and thus its 'universal' and any1 can "pick up and use it" no need to inspect how it works).
@djdrack4681 in my experience benelli autos are more reliable than most pumps. I've never owned a 590 but have had several 870s break on me and I've seen a 500 explode in person
@@jwalesoutlaw3294 very interesting. I can see the argument, but I've also known ppl who used the living hell out of their 500s (myself incl.) and 870s...and they still run as a "pick it up, no worries. it just works". for a pump to explode I have to question what the person was doing (3.5" shell in a 3" barrel, the classic "puts muzzle underwater gag" where barrel explodes from pressure) etc. It'd be like saying a break action exploded (and no not one of the black powder 'laminated steel' ones). They're all great, but I'd take 3-5x of those over the price of 1x benelli all day. no question asked.
That is the best comment I’ve seen today😂, as an 11 year old.. I don’t think I should think it’s funny. (Yes I listen to nirvana, and know who Kurt is, I know what happened with him and his shotgun.)
I joined the Army in 1979. Pretty much every post had a skeet and trap field. Clinton closed most because we don't want our troops to be interested in shooting. I retired in 1999 and most off duty shooting sports pavilions had been closed. I have been watching the drone war and I can't help but thinking that a nice Ithica 10 gauge would be a real asset. Maybe the Army should reopen the skeet and trap fields.
@@Davie-jx4rh The Army can suck the fun out of anything and shooting is one of the big ones. The military way is always tiresome and boring and miserable. The only time I hated shooting the M2 (50 cal machine gun) was during qualifying. It was the best worst experience you could ever have.
My armor unit in vietnam used remington 870 12 ga. for dismounted patrol at night. The POINT Man liked the shotgun with the only ammo you could get "00 Buck:
@@hansiminator69 FPVs are too fast and maneuverable for some shmoe with a shotgun. Especially if the drone pilot has tons of experience like the Ukrainians do now
this idea that your shotgun will be useful at all against an fpv is so wacky. there is a huge difference between a generic mavic and your custom built race fpv. and the crazy one is significantly cheaper.
In two years as a basic EMT and then 8 years as a paramedic (Advanced EMT) Every (EVERY) person except ONE, that was shot with a shotgun was either dead upon our arrival or expired before reaching the ER. The one patient that survived, was shot with a 20 gauge, loaded with #6 birdshot, distance was across a parking lot (35-40 yards)
150+ years you'll still see freaking space marines racking the action on a reliable pump action, and they'll still be laughing at anyone that thinks it's "too old"
I prefer the 590 (not A1). I’m not on a ship and don’t need a heavy barrel. I also prefer the bead. If I’m using a shotgun, I’m primarily using shot, or I’d be carrying a rifle. The bead is the most effective for moving/fast acquisition point shooting. The mossberg isn’t as smooth as the 870 but I’d argue more robust and you don’t have the lifter in your way when loading. The 870 is smoother due to when the hammer is cocked. The 870 cocks the hammer halfway through the slide action sequence so there’s already momentum on the slide before hitting resistance. The mossberg starts cocking the hammer at the beginning of the cycle. If I could only have one, I’d take the mossberg, but there’s no comparison on how smooth they are.
That bit about the bead sight being best…you made me want to buy another shotgun. Got a 500 that I put an Eotech on and I have an 870 police magnum with the rifle sights. I think you’re right though, simpler is faster/better.
I had a Mossberg 390 12 gage heavy barrel pump shotgun, I bought in the early 1980’s so it came with wooden stocks. Holds 9 shotgun shells. This the best pump shot in the world. The barrel is super heavy and you can shoot heavy slugs all day without it hurting your shoulder. Mine had molded cheek piece I designed and painted an epoxy green on a wooden fore-stock and rear stock. It was so beautiful. I also used it in 3-gun competition.
I used both the full size and shorty models of the M500 in the Army before they replaced them with the 590A1. Awesome firepower. One thing that I advocated way back then was to use buckshot as an are suppression weapon given that one shot is like a burst of sub-machinegun fire. People laughed at me then and most still do now, but gradually more people are beginning to realize that buckshot at 100 or even 200 yards, puts a lot of lead into a wide space downrange. Even if only one pellets hits an enemy soldier, they're going to be severely wounded or even killed. Fired at a group of soldiers and much like a machine gun, it serves the purpose of keeping the enemy's heads down along with a high probability of hitting some of them. The only downside is that it's very limited on magazine capacity. But during an ambush where you just need to get out of a kill zone quickly while laying down immediate suppressive fire, it can be very effective for disrupting an ambush and buying time to move to cover. As a civilian while my primary home defense long gun is an AR-15, I still keep a Mossberg Maverick 88 12 gauge pump shotgun topped off with Aguila buckshot minishells (using an OpSol Minishell adapter). It gives me a nice shot spread at 7 yards and doesn't over-penetrate while allowing me for a higher magazine capacity. So every now and then that shotgun does bedside home defense duty still.
Mine doesn't run mini shells, and knew my Mossberg 12g wasn't crap, I didn't know there is a mini shell adapter!?? Please tell me more, I'm still needing the tube extension for 3+ rounds
@@ThePatriotParadox Yeah, the OpSol Minishell adapter works with the Mossberg Maverick 88, the Mossberg 500, and the Mossberg 590. They're inexpensive, easy to install, and work really well to insure that it feeds minishells reliably. Just google OpSol adapter and you'll see the company. They're made in Texas and their website has tons of videos showing how it works.
I love the 1897. I have 6 in 12ga and one in 16ga and I use them for Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clay's, pheasant hunting, and I even qualled with one back when I was LEO that is chopped to 18½" to use off-duty. I also use Ithaca M37's and Mossberg 500 and 590's, but for the past 5+ years I use SxS shotguns, most with 18½" barrels, for most things. I grew up since elementary school with shotguns and handguns. My father started me shooting skeet and handgun competitions when I was still in elementary school, and I didn't even have a centerfire rifle until my mid-teens. Because of that, I'm still a huge fan of shotguns and debated furiously with my Chief when he wanted to phase them out. Patrol rifles were a huge step forward, but they aren't a replacement for shotguns for some uses.
Things Done Right ! ! ! The Flag on Mr. J's helmet Hung Proper, Horizontal, Stars to the upper left, and when aiming on a weapon, right eye down, left side toward the foe, Old Glory facing the enemy ! Well played Sir
Bro the timing of this video dropping is insane. I just picked up an M590 for my main HD/SHTF gun and have been on this massive shotgun kick (pun intended) for the past few weeks. Seeing how my shotgun patterns with Federal Flight Control has blown me away and, within 100 yards, I honestly don’t feel the need for my rifle or wouldn’t feel under-equipped if all I had was this 20” M590. With cheap Winchester Super-X slugs and the ghost ring sights, I’m able to get a 5” group at 100 yards and I’m confident I could easily center punch a torso at 150. Yeah, capacity is low… but is it when many fights require multiple pistol or even 5.56 rounds to end a fight? Nine .33 caliber pellets flying at 1325 FPS and covering a torso is going to put anyone down. Like you also pointed out, other RUclipsrs have demonstrated that while level 4 plate armor will absolutely stop pellets easily, it doesn’t cover close to most of the body and buckshot will find a way. Also, I’ve been studying and following the Ukraine War since before the full invasion in 2022, and watching troops on both sides shoot down drones has cemented, in my mind, that shotguns are never obsolete, just a different tool for a different job. Anyways, thanks for making a video on my favorite shotgun, and now I feel even more inspired to get out there and get training to become really proficient with it.
I prefer the Remington 870… just been more reliable for me. Mine, my brothers and my buddies have never once jammed. I’ve had several mossberg 500’s jam despite being nearly identical. I think it comes back to the bolt/rear block design. Remington’s is much more simple with easier break down and maintenance. I think military just chose the mossberg for pump release and pricing.
In 1918 the germans didn’t like the idea of the model 97 trench shotgun as it caused unnecessary suffering. Maybe you should’ve thought of that before bringing chemical weapons that cause the same suffering
"i cant breathe because ive been shot in the chest by a shotgun vs huh for some reason my lungs feel like they're melting. " yeah definitely same suffering. germans are just butt hurt that they couldnt get away with weaponized air thats really cant be aimed
I was in the navy from 1985 to 1995 . I sailed on a DDG , was a forward deployed MP in Japan during the Gulf War , then sailed on a CG during Operation Southern Watch in the Gulf . I was on the security teams of both of my ships . Our service shotgun was the M870 Remington . I currently run a Mossberg 500 tricked out like a 590 . Thanks for your service .
I carried one when I was a grunt in Baghdad 2007. It was my secondary, I was the DM, but I doubled as the breach man. I ended up doing so much breaching during that deployment, firing so many rounds that I just ended up using it as my primary almost all the time. I trusted that shotgun with my life, and it never once failed, jammed or let me down. And I know for a fact, it was deadly effective. Mossberg 500.
Hell yeah, thank you for your service brother I appreciate you.
Shot guns are king in close.
@@haveaday1812 500? Did it have a heavy barrel like the 590a1
@@rexman971 Nope. Just some old ass 500’s we had in the armory. I was in 3rd ID out of Stewart. Just basic, over the counter 500’s with Front bead sight. No rear aperture at all. No high speed BS either. Not even a flashlight.
I have a picture of my cousin carrying one in the big sandbox from '05. Us woods boys know how to use scatterguns like scalpels.
Fawk yeah brother…
My wife was with me when i bought my 590A1 SPX. She literally rolled her eyes when the guy at the counter opened the box, and there was a bayonet in it. It was worth getting it just for that!
It's a lot safer to let the guy trying to break through your door know that he's about to die when a 9" blade flies through the door next to his face. Never hAve to pulled the trigger
@@logangodofcandy Very hard to explain to the in laws though
So worth it.
Bayonet on a shotgun is manly af.
😂😅
“If you use a flashlight, you will reveal your position to other men… and that is gay”
Absolutely based
Can’t be gay if you still got your boot bands on homie
What a sense of humor... Great content
Ya but if I've learned anything from tarkov, if you put 8 of them on those men will never be able to see again.
Lmao facts tho
Got me laughing out loud!
As a resident of the UK, it makes a nice change to see a firearm that not only I can own, but DO own 😄. Love my Mozzy 590!
Last night, i checked out a couple of gun shops in ireland (online). Seems like they only sold .22lr and hunting shotguns.
@@PrinceAsmodeus Google for The Saddlery & Gunroom Biggin Hill and that's where I got mine from, but they are WAY more expensive now than when I got mine (£350 then, £750 now!).
Is there a restriction on number of rounds in the tube?
@@french1837 As mine is a section 2 (SGC) firearm, yes, the tube is crimped so it can only hold 2 cartridges (plus the one in the chamber). they can, however, be owned as section 1 (FAC) firearms and in that case there is no restriction.
@@SWATStrachan It's interesting I saw your comment today as I've been reading a biography of Winston Churchill and I also today found somewhat of a list of firearms he owned. He had a bunch of machine guns and so I looked into your laws over there (I'm Canadian) and it's just wild to me how fast disarmament can happen, and how far it can go. And it seems based on a YouGov poll I found that the majority of UK residents are in favour of even more restriction or just a total ban. It's happened very fast in Canada too ... and especially recently, so not picking on ya. At least for now, our shotties are safe.
“Shotgun slugs have a tendency to really kill people”
-a man of great wisdom
@@sackofclams953
Will definitely have someone coming out with a shovel and a mop bucket to clean up!
“People die when they are killed” - a man of great wisdom
@@Mogolous ayyyyy, fate reference
Can Confirm
I prefer 00 buck
Roommate: "Are you holding your 590A1, while watching GT talk about the 590A1?"
Me: "Yes."
As one does
I'm thinking about my maverick 88 watching this 😂
I’m doing this as soon as I get home ❤
I am
Pumpin to the pump
Benelli have just announced an anti drone M4, shotguns are becoming relevant in a military context again as a squad defense against FPV drones and I'm here for it.
Anti drone skeet shooting.
What would be the difference between that amd a normal M4 ?
@trishennaidoo1309 extended forcing cones for long range patterning I think. Comes with a mod choke as standard i think
Choke and barrel length change.
What gauge?
I’m not a gun guy, and I know even less about shotguns but the last 10 min breakdown you spent on this shotgun is like a love story…so impressed…I want one. Nice job and presentation.
590s are relatively cheap as well. Definitely worth getting.
Go for it. A 20 gauge throws almost as much lead as the 12 with somewhat less recoil.
DO IT
Bayonet on a shotgun will always be a vibe
Agreed, to bad modern bayonets are so puny ,a WW1 trench shot gun is bad ass
That’s the only reason i want one
cornball dont say vibe
pfp matches comment. nice
Everyone laughs until they have to storm a trench.
Side note about breeching: if the shotgun is only being used to breech, dry-hull it. Shoot, and sling. Dont pump it and fiddle with the safety, just leave it until the next door and pump before indexing the gun.
Jeff Gerwich (Modern Tactical Shooting) talks about it in his shotgun video, SF adopted dry-hulling after a breecher sent a round into his teammate while trying to safe his shotgun during training, they would it simpler and safer to just leave the fired shell in the chamber since the gun basically turns into cruiser-ready condition by default.
big facts, sir
Regular civilian. Keeping a shotgun in my car and always carrying a pistol I mentally adopted this concept. I worried about slinging my shotgun while moving with a pistol and for whatever reasons it going off either blowing my head or leg off.
That's how my 500 is loaded next to my bed. Full tube safety off empty chamber.
Just here to see what sponsors he has this week 🍿😂
@@GarandThumb where did you get the GWOT shirt done the velcro slanted pockets?
I carried a Mossberg 500 during my first tour in Iraq, and I loved it. One of the reasons we still use pump-action shotguns vs semi-auto is you don't always WANT the next round to be chambered. If I'm breaching a door then transitioning to an M4 or pistol, I don't want my shotgun in a red status.
After I left AD, I was a manager at a sporting goods store for a couple years, and I always pushed Mossbergs. They're so easy to modify and there's a million different parts for them from buttstocks to pump grips to barrels. Even a novice can swap a field barrel to a home defense barrel in under a minute.
03-05 we had Mossberg 500s and buck shot for breaching because there were no special rounds we were still making it up as we went.
I've owned a 500 since 97 and use it for hunting and training. Such a versatile and dependable shotie.
We used them for bean bag rounds. My battery was deployed as detainee guards.
I've never been in the military but I like them for your stated reasons and for me they even sound better when racking a shell compared to the Remington 870.
Wow. I almost feel like I was there...
you dont need to ever swap from one shot gun to another. thats pointless. just use one with multiple rounds. a shotgun JUST for breaching is rather stupid. using a pistol over a shotgun when breaching is stupid
Coming from a shotgun only hunting state, it's nice to see someone who understands just how deadly and devastating a shotgun can be.
Paul Harrell convinced me that shotguns don't suck for self-defense.
Saint Paul protects
And to watch Paul run a pump gun is a thing of beauty! And awe………”Pullrack” or better yet, Paulrack
Literally every other self defense instructor, the amount of detailed data that exists and common sense didn't do it for you?
RIP Paul
@@SmartypantsMcChickenlol right?
It’s funny, rifles keep getting more and more crazy upgrades but nothing will replace the badassness of a basic pump action shotty.
Semi auto > pump action
Depends on the context homie.
Pumps can run custom ammunition more reliably since you don't need to worry about a gas system.
@@jfkst1 if you have good ammo for it
@jfkst1 Lol take a shotgun class. They both work fine. I own a benelli m4 and mossberg 590a1
or a 1911 .45ACP
Did a lot of breaching with the mossberg, Iraq had mostly steel doors, if you don’t shoot it pretty straight on. Your foot with take the ricochets. The pellets will roll straight down the steel doors and it can be bad. I always stood off to the side and kept it as straight on as possible for internal door locks. You really gotta imagine where the locking mechanism is and aim to hit that. Padlocks overseas are cheap and can be knocked off from any angle. Just my experience with it
Thank you for your service 🤝
How many of the doors had beards and wore sandals?
@@mojojojo9458I'd guess most did
Who the hell was breaching without compressed ceramic slugs? Lol
@@ViktoriousDeadsintered iron slugs were a thing my second deployment, they worked but weren't reliable.
I was a reserve infantryman in the CF for ten years or so, and we didn't have any experience with shotguns, so I got curious and got myself an 870 tactical. Sweet gun, and very versatile.
As a Sig in brigade we did shotties every year.
870 extractor are very subseptible to dirt. Causing feeding issues. Was a fan of them until I dropped mine in the dirt and it wouldn't eject the shells. Now I only use mossberg.
GT was my water survival instructor in 2018 when I was going through flight school pipeline. Solid dude. Still owes me the vid he promised of me almost drowning along side the coast guard SAR swimmer.
When you get it you need to post it, I want to see it too
@GarandThumb Answer this man!!
"I'm Ricky Bobby, and if you don't love shotguns, then fuck you." - R. Bobby
Now he has a brand new trans friend movie. Should we fabulous!!
@@valdivia1234567what?
For every like this comment gets, I’ll do one squat. Make me feel something.
Edit: I believe I have made a miscalculation. But I’m committed to my mistake. Make it hurt. I’ll post an update eventually. This will just take me a while. Peace ✌️
Do 20
The racking sound says give me 40.
Sit ups are just as important. Split the likes between the two.
Joke’s on us, he never said a time frame he’d do it in. It’ll be one squat a day for however many days based upon how many likes he gets.
Sweaty ab pics or it didnt happen 🤷🏻♂️
Unreal dad advice. I was in an accident on my motorcycle on Friday bc the motorist didn’t see me. I’m lucky to be alive and with minimal injuries…I went to the motorists house yesterday and gave him a big hug. We talked and joked for 20 minutes.
1978 greatest Christmas ever. I was 12 years old and my Dad got me a 12 gauge shotgun, Mossberg 500, with 2 barrels. A birdshot barrel and a smooth bore slug barrel. Many of rabbits, pheasant, grouse and deer have been taken with that gun. Still have it today and will pass it to grandson on his 12th birthday. I did have it rebuilt in 2006. Best gun I have ever owned. 🤘😎
Great one❤
Funny, I got my first 500A for my 12th birthday...I wore it out and restored it to new condition...that was 20 years ago. I still fire it from time to time...
I bought the same in the late 70's but mine came with the pistol grip to swap out with the stock. I found that kind of useless but fun, not fun firing 3in mag
Careful what you say, under the current system that would be a federal crime
30 years before that I was given a Mossburg 410 bolt with a C- lect choke and it was followed by a few Mossburgs but that little 410 is as sweet as they come.
Love this. As a patrol officer, there is a huge mindset nationwide amongst law enforcement that we don't need shotguns anymore because we have patrol rifles. Many agencies have completely gotten rid of their shotguns or converted them to less lethal bean bag guns. I have always maintained the shotgun still has a place in my inventory and that they're not obsolete.
@@tw27242 no kidding
What people don't know is that while a tool in the toolbox in a time of many different weapons platforms, at close range out to 100 yards...the shotgun is utterly devastating..it will always have a place in my opinion...
I love hearing that they're getting rid of them.
@@jackjames3884 aint gonna help you much boy
@myratsalad honestly, it has helped me quite a bit. Maybe try to stop making assumptions like a jackass. What I was referring to is that I've been able to find quite a few police trade in Remington 870s recently, and a few of them have been in great shape. The best part is the shop had so many of them they were letting them go dirt cheap just to get them out the door. Btw, I've always heard it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool instead of running your mouth and eliminating any doubt. Think about that as long as you need to, boy!
Clint Smith put it best. At defensive disrances, handguns put holes in bodies, rifles put holes through bodies, shotguns put meat on the wall
Well, rifles also put massive amount of cavitation in the body…while also able to deliver near-automatic levels of fire and minimal recoil :)
@@markdavidson1049 Shotguns deliver well over thousand ft lbs of energy, massive holes, one shell can contain MANY projectiles, I can put as if not more projectiles down range with a pump shotgun as a full auto.
"... at the right range with the right load, it will remove a chunk of shit from the attacker and throw that shit in the fkn floor..."
That's what he told our class anyway. 😂
@@SmartypantsMcChickenthat’s how I remember him saying it in a half dozen or so videos.
😅 love it
Pumpshotguns are still used because it's one of the very few things you can leave alone in a room with a marine, and it won't end up broken or pregnant.
Instructions unclear, pumped the shotgun too hard, now it's broken AND pregnant.
Or in a pawn shop hopefully
🤣
Fuck yeah classic Angry Cops lol
Lol
In the late 80's, an interesting character walked into my fathers electronic manufacturing and design company, with 50 590's. He wanted us to convert the guns so that they'd project a laser when the trigger was pulled for a target game system he was making. We used the barrel as a conductor which sent a signal to the laser diodes which were packed in the front of the barrel (making contact with the barrel) and when you squeezed the trigger the firing pin (which was ground down) made contact with a sensor making contact with the barrel and sending the signal up the barrel to the laser. It was a wild and fun project and totally different than the baseball pitching machine controls that we manufactured. Think Duck Hunt but using actual shotguns. Bally-Midway bought the system from him in Las Vegas. Don't know what became of it but it was called "lightshot." I'll never forget that row of guns in our shop and being able to play with them every day.
target practice with a shotgun is rather pointless. accuracy is not what people are going for with shotguns
I guess he was setting up a park game… or he was going to embark on a fight against anything that could get killed by lasers that’d be harmless to us. Lmao. ;)
MILES gear progenitor?
Got any left?😄
@@nomercyinc6783 sure, but you put the game in a bar and you'll get a line out the door, at least during our local beta testing in 6 bars. People absolutely loved pumping real shotguns vs some plastic gun made to look like a toy. They made a lot of money $0.50 at a time. The game itself was a big LED screen (about the size of a traditional stand alone arcade game machine like pac-man) and random circles would be drawn and you had to shoot within them before they disappeared to score. The circles got smaller and disappeared faster as the game progressed. There were 2 shotguns per game so 2 people could compete. It was totally randomly generated so you couldn't get used to a pattern. We used infrared lasers shooting through a lens that put it in more of a wide pattern closer to a shotgun and with ir detectors every 5th pixel behind the led screen.
Please do videos on the following:
-Shotgun Mud test
-Review the ARAK-21
-Which is better the PKM or the M240B?
-Possible Sand Tests for the future?
-How good are mini shotgun shells vs 2 3/4?
-Invite all the GunTubers you can to Idaho with a rifle that they would take into combat and have them run drills and compete with each other to see which rifle set up would work best.
PKM
Honest all very good ideas shout out to you
I'm curious about the ARAK-21 as well. Not curious enough to buy one though 😂
I believe Paul Harrell did a video on the mini shells.
I second this
Wow, that dad advice at the end really hit deep. Thank you Garandthumb. This is a serious and heartfelt comment. Shotgun then helps the dad energy by 100%.
I had the same reaction.
Absolute A1 advice
Nah, I hold onto that shit. Forgiveness is btwn them and their maker.
Right?! I found myself making a concerted effort to forgive someone I’ve needed to. Doesn’t take the pain away, but it does keep them from renting real estate in your head that they’re not even paying for.
My Grandfather, I am 74 years old, was Danish and during WW 1 his job was shooting pigeons that were carrying messages, I inherited the Double Barrel 16 gauge shotgun.
I got my 590A1 years ago and I fell in love with it immediately. Admittedly I did have serious feed issued with it at first but after taking it apart and comparing the innards with my 500 I noticed that the shell retaining bar for the tube magazine was bent a little from the factory which caused it to not release a fresh shell most of the time. All I did was bend it back straight and from then on it has run absolutely flawlessly.
I bought mine about 9 years ago and had the same issue, wasn’t sure what it was since I wasn’t practical with shotguns so I sent it in to mossberg and got it fixed. Possibly a bad batch from that time.
It was a bad batch that made it through QA. I had the same thing and got in touch with Mossberg. The rep apologized and told me I could send it in or they could send me a replacement bar. I got the replacement bar.
About a week after getting it the rep sent me an email asking if everything was working ok. I sent them a pic of scraps of paper hanging up at the range with the caption "Works great!".
@@Plaprad that’s awesome! Been thinking about upgrading to a semiautomatic one but I love the 590a1 so it’s hard to justify the price of one of the better semiautomatic ones like the benelli m4 or the beretta 1301
I had that issue with a 410 Mossberg 500E I bought for my daughter. Called Mossberg, they sent me the new part, solved it in a few minutes. I also have a 870, and it isn't nearly as easy to fix if there is a problem. I appreciate the fact that the Mossbergs are so seviceable by the owner.
Ya, had the same problem with my 590. A easy fix.
I carry a Maverick 88 as my vehicle gun everywhere I go! During my career in the Marine Corps we carried them on Embassy duty and it saved my life. I later carried one on 4 trips to train on the ice cap in Greenland for polar bear defense! I never felt under gunned. They are the multi-tool of the gun world and they have worked for decades!😊
In Australia we use them for crocodile repellent when we go fishing 🎣 🐊
Are you sure you used Maverick 88s in the USMC, I thought they only used 500s and 590s?
@@jonathanjuwainat5535 the 88 is the disposable version. Parts wear away.
@@jonathanjuwainat5535maverick is built by mossberg. It's the Walmart version though
I'm with u brother! So versatile.
I have a 590A1. Heat shield, bayonet lug, and magpul pump/stock that i added a sling swivel to the heel of.
Absolutely love the gun. I want an 18" and for about 5 minutes i contemplated trading it, but realized i couldnt bring myself to do it.
Never get rid of your guns, just get more of them. Most men come to regret it.
Never sell, only buy
As an owner of the 18 inch barrel, you're not missing out on much, it's just lighter.
@doctormobius5 you are missing the bayonet, which is actually a crime. One must own both an 18, and a 20"
I had a 590 in the Navy. When I checked into 3/4 STA PLT in the early 90s, as their Navy Corpsman, I rated a pistol and a shotgun. Very versatile and underused platform.
When I was in shotgun club, the one instructor was able to shoot 3 clay pigeons out of the air with before the first shell hit the ground. He was running a pump too
Gotta love the term 'shotgun club'.
@kaiboshvanhortonsnort359 it was 4H shotgun club. You have a better name for it?
590a1 sales about to go up.
One of the rare few mill spec.
got mine about 6 years ago with walnut furniture still in box
I’m glad I’ve had 2 for a couple years now🤣the cat’s out of the bag now.
@@jaimemartinez3866 I went with the super oddball one a couple years ago, 1980s 590 Bullpup. It's such and awkward firearm, literally bought it because it looks cyberpunk AF!
Picked up my 590A1 Magpul edition about a year ago
When I was in LE I was one of the few officers that still chose the shotgun over the AR. Its extremely versatile and over looked by most folks these days.
@@number1yota this is the way. I carried both but the shotgun came out way more than the ar. I had an older LT who always ran slugs and then buckshot behind it and swore by it. no idea why but I imagine it saved his ass at some point.
When you have to account for where every pellet lands the patrol carbine becomes the favored choice.
@@charlespratt8663 also fair, they are both tools, use the right one for the job
My buddy used to work in a factory where they mad door breaching shotgun shells. He was a good friend
That rapid unloading bit gave me a solid chuckle. Almost expected it to go on longer!
He missed his chance to say the Navy wanted the fore end ribbed for sure and confident stroking of the action...
I counted 17 rounds ejected.
It made me flinch. Is that what they teach in the military these days? Cuz instead of flying live shells through the chamber, all you have to do is putcher finger in the loading port and press on the shell retainer thingies to unload the shells from there. Seeing somebody racking 'em through the gun tells me they don't know the weapon.
my favorite saying about shotguns with the war on terror, "we were only suppose to use shotguns for doors, but you would be surprised about how many doors had sandals and turbans
Dude you should use auto correct with those spelling mistakes. It helps more than 50% of the time.
Who karez, this isn't first grade and spelling don't count baby
@@bedroomfarmer8960 Spelling always counts. The people who can do it judge those who can't, and they're often in a position to make your life better or worse.
@@PaxEmpyrean Does a 590 give a fuck if you can spell?
@@panthermartin7784 Does a 590 decide to hire you?
A Marine with a shotgun with a bayonet will always be the most terrifying thing you will ever see running across a room at mach fuck towards you.
Yet easily defeated by 3rd grade math problems 😂
Just throw the crayons on the floor and run like hell.
@@RevRaptor898😂😂😂😂 pretty much nailed it, especially if you have their favorite flavor one in the mix 😅
@@warriorgospel81683rd grade math? They must’ve up the minimum Asvab scores required to get in then, in my day 1st grade math would confuse the fuq outta them 😂😂
The Marines sure as shit have some serious koolaid. I worked briefly in a recruiting office just after Basic in the Army. The Air Force was too good to share an office with the other branches so they weren't there. Anybody the Army couldn't take we sent across the hall to the Marines, if they couldn't take them they went down the hall to the Navy. The Navy took anybody. ANYBODY. And bizarrely any time a hot girl walked in it was straight to the damn Navy!
“I like to save my knees, im already broken enough” -Bro i felt that😂
I bought my Mossburg 500 when I was 18 years old. It's been 36 years, and it still runs flawlessly. Thousands and thousands of rounds (couldn't even guess how many). I'll never sell it.
It's like why some prefer a stick shift, you have control over the object.
and the object on the other side
I dunno man, sounds kinda gay to me
@@GraniteStateofMind I say object because it can be the car I'm talking about or a pump shotgun. Or a hand saw over a circular saw. How is that gay?
@GraniteStateofMind In other words. Analog let's you feel a vehicle/gun under you. Digital systems/semiautomatic shoguns have less interaction, hence less "feel" to it. I ride a motorcycle with no rider aids, such as abs or traction control. You can't control the bike as well. You can't "feel" the bike as much.
@@YacolJ You like to drive like F1 drivers, huh? I get the manual is better argument but not all of us are going 180 around corners to get to Starbucks. My solution to the shotgun semi vs pump argument was to get an M3. If it jams, I just pump it. Though it rarely jams.
Well, I mentioned to my 20 year old son that I wanted an 870 Marine magnum some 15 years ago and he never forgot. He bought me one last Christmas and I took pictures with him, me and the shotgun. It's like the Tomahawk. 100 percent highly affective in every scenario .
1. They open almost any door
2. They are absolutely terrifying
3. Will actually cycle
@@AtteR044. Using the bayonet isn't gonna break your $1500 free-floated pencil neck barrel 😁😁
Carried a mossberg 500 on my first deployment to Iraq. I was a breacher, we had slugs, buckshot, and lockbusters. Hated carrying it, but was cool getting to use it, much like any non normal weapons in the military I guess.
The nice thing about the pump / slide action shotgun is that it will perfectly function and to use any type of shotgun cartridge, and it’s always super fun to pump the action.
Why use the pump shotgun? Because it simply works.
"The nice thing about the pump / slide action shotgun is that it will perfectly function" haven't seen too many shooters with pump actions have you? people short stroke them or otherwise fail the pump constantly.
No one is going for any stealth when running a shotgun lol@@MrCobb-rq8iv
@@MrCobb-rq8iv Bolt actions are sweet but we're talking about shotguns though. What shotgun are you using at beyond 500 yards? lol
@@DKNguyen3.1415 Well between you, me and the gatepost of possible readers, we don't have any gunz..
The sound of a pump racking is something special ❤
Man poetry
Also scary if you are thinking about bursting through a door.
Small problem. If you're engaging a threat at this point, you're already behind the curve. Yeah, shotguns are not drop safe, so the first thing you do is rack it. Probably. Unless you need to front load a slug or 2. So much versatility!
This video probably has the best opening of all other GerandThumb videos. The shells coming out, the ping sound of the plates being hit, the pumping; a grand experience.
Not having Charlie for the war crimes jokes was a missed opportunity…..
My old Master Guns carried the 590A1 when he was in MSG in the early 90's. He swears by it, and it'll be my next shotgun purchase.
Ran the mossberg 500. Army infantry don’t get too many luxuries, our shotguns don’t even have a rear sight just a bead on the business end. I’ve ran stocked and pistol grip pumps and have breached many doors with it. I’ve conducted IWT and ran breacher courses with it as well as the lead instructor. I trust the mossberg 500 with my life and you should too
Great video! I LOVE MY 590A1... I trained with one at my PD, and fell in love with it. Immediately bought my own. I almost would take it over an AR in some aspects...... Not all, but definitely some.
My uncle's preferred kit in Vietnam was a shotgun for mid-range/ long-range and a Thompson for close in.
I had no idea any Thompsons were used in vietnam
Thank you. I've been saying this for years, and constantly have people trying to argue with me, that a shotgun can't do anything past around 50yds. Now I can send this to serveral of them.
I'm 68 now and have had my Remington 870 since I was 12 years old, it of course has the dual rail, and a Cap you can unscrew to clean the magazine tube.
One of my buddies was “doc” in a squad of Rangers.
He often breached and held a pump action shotgun to do so, he told me once after shooting the hinges off a door, and breaching, he found that one of the hinges had went into a T man’s skull. His lead said if he found that hinge in his space he’d be getting a visit from MP, anyway he didn’t take the hinge but cool story.
Glad to see you covered the Mossberg 5xx series. I've always said that for every Benelli M4 there's 100 Mossbergs 500/590s (or Remington 870s) doing most of the 'legwork'. Whether it be hunting, LEO, Military, they're just cheap, solid quality, and ultra reliable.
The Benelli is sure nice, but its the lambo to Mossbergs/Remingtons Corvette... More parts/accessories, more gunsmiths are gona be able to work on them, more ppl will have used them (and thus its 'universal' and any1 can "pick up and use it" no need to inspect how it works).
@djdrack4681 in my experience benelli autos are more reliable than most pumps. I've never owned a 590 but have had several 870s break on me and I've seen a 500 explode in person
@@jwalesoutlaw3294 very interesting.
I can see the argument, but I've also known ppl who used the living hell out of their 500s (myself incl.) and 870s...and they still run as a "pick it up, no worries. it just works".
for a pump to explode I have to question what the person was doing (3.5" shell in a 3" barrel, the classic "puts muzzle underwater gag" where barrel explodes from pressure) etc. It'd be like saying a break action exploded (and no not one of the black powder 'laminated steel' ones).
They're all great, but I'd take 3-5x of those over the price of 1x benelli all day. no question asked.
Glad to see SDI is no longer a listed sponsor.
Based garand
What's the story for SDI being dropped?
@@TheVirtuoso883They were a scam
@@Devin7Eleven fair enough
I thought the jokes were funny
“I Call Shotgun”-Kurt Cobain
I call shotgun"-Courtney Love
Even after he swore that he don’t have a gun. Courtney much?
Boom!
That is the best comment I’ve seen today😂, as an 11 year old.. I don’t think I should think it’s funny.
(Yes I listen to nirvana, and know who Kurt is, I know what happened with him and his shotgun.)
Kurt Co BANGED
Mike I laughed out loud when you said "Ribbed for your Pleasure". Great show as always!
22:38
"How many shells do you have in that gun?"
"I've got 57 more GAWDDAYUM rounds in this 4 round magazine!"
Thats impresive
ALACABLAM
How??
@@ryaicon89 Skills.
@@ryaicon89the magic of editing/postproduction.
I joined the Army in 1979. Pretty much every post had a skeet and trap field. Clinton closed most because we don't want our troops to be interested in shooting. I retired in 1999 and most off duty shooting sports pavilions had been closed. I have been watching the drone war and I can't help but thinking that a nice Ithica 10 gauge would be a real asset. Maybe the Army should reopen the skeet and trap fields.
Absolutely tragic, getting troops to do training on their own time and enjoy it is genius
@@Davie-jx4rh The Army can suck the fun out of anything and shooting is one of the big ones. The military way is always tiresome and boring and miserable. The only time I hated shooting the M2 (50 cal machine gun) was during qualifying. It was the best worst experience you could ever have.
The Clintons are the actual war criminals in this debate.
Funny how things come full-circle...
Trap and sporting clays would be very beneficial for military personnel
My armor unit in vietnam used remington 870 12 ga. for dismounted patrol at night. The POINT Man liked the shotgun with the only ammo you could get "00 Buck:
Just got a 590 and this video came out on the same day that my stupid waiting period is over, based and serendipitous.
Waiting period for a shotgun? Cali?
With small drones being a huge threat in modern warfare, shotguns are gonna be as popular as never before.
Nah, they are largely useless. Most drones are dropping ordinance well out of shotgun range.
@@totenfurwotan4478 talking about FPV type drones.
@@hansiminator69 FPVs are too fast and maneuverable for some shmoe with a shotgun. Especially if the drone pilot has tons of experience like the Ukrainians do now
this idea that your shotgun will be useful at all against an fpv is so wacky. there is a huge difference between a generic mavic and your custom built race fpv. and the crazy one is significantly cheaper.
They have always been popular bud. Some people are finally realizing it now.
Garand has been rocking the early GWOT kits lately, a true man of culture.
The Dad advice at the end was what I needed to hear today.
Maverick 88 is a pretty fun firearm.
Got my 88 with the short shell adapter. 10 rounds of you'll never wake up again
Got one in my closet loaded with #4 buck. Everyman's 12-ga.
@@Fugettaboutit#4 u are smart
Bang for the buck!
The 88 is a damn hard 12ga to pass up for the money. Especially with all it brings to the table for its modest price tag.
Never thought a shotgun could make 100+yard shots. I have never even attempted it to be honest. Great video Mike....as always 👌 👍
Turkey/ham shoots I've attended do it with tannerite card deck size targets at 50 and 100. Very challenging.
I have a 10.5” barrel shockwave that I take out to the range at 100 yards no problem they still put plenty of lead on target well past that
@@warrenharrison9490 would not think a slug would have the velocity for tannerite at 100.
@@iffykidmn8170 me neither...🤔🤨
@@iffykidmn8170 it's got to be dead on.
A pump action shotgun with a weapon mounted bayonet is the pinnacle of battlefield lethality.
Bayonetting opponents is quicker than a reload, and if a situation critical - you can throw your shotgun like a spear (i am not serious btw)
You might not be, but I am.
@@Unjustlce
I bet at some point or another, someone probably did it.
What?
That’s not a thing?
@@whereswaldo5740 yes it is, did you watch the video they show the gun. look up the winchester 1897 with bayonet
In two years as a basic EMT and then 8 years as a paramedic (Advanced EMT) Every (EVERY) person except ONE, that was shot with a shotgun was either dead upon our arrival or expired before reaching the ER. The one patient that survived, was shot with a 20 gauge, loaded with #6 birdshot, distance was across a parking lot (35-40 yards)
As long as CQC situations exist, the shotgun will never be abandoned.
150+ years you'll still see freaking space marines racking the action on a reliable pump action, and they'll still be laughing at anyone that thinks it's "too old"
That edit of mike dumping his tube got me good 😂
I prefer the 590 (not A1). I’m not on a ship and don’t need a heavy barrel. I also prefer the bead. If I’m using a shotgun, I’m primarily using shot, or I’d be carrying a rifle. The bead is the most effective for moving/fast acquisition point shooting.
The mossberg isn’t as smooth as the 870 but I’d argue more robust and you don’t have the lifter in your way when loading. The 870 is smoother due to when the hammer is cocked. The 870 cocks the hammer halfway through the slide action sequence so there’s already momentum on the slide before hitting resistance. The mossberg starts cocking the hammer at the beginning of the cycle. If I could only have one, I’d take the mossberg, but there’s no comparison on how smooth they are.
That bit about the bead sight being best…you made me want to buy another shotgun. Got a 500 that I put an Eotech on and I have an 870 police magnum with the rifle sights. I think you’re right though, simpler is faster/better.
I had a Mossberg 390 12 gage heavy barrel pump shotgun, I bought in the early 1980’s so it came with wooden stocks. Holds 9 shotgun shells. This the best pump shot in the world. The barrel is super heavy and you can shoot heavy slugs all day without it hurting your shoulder. Mine had molded cheek piece I designed and painted an epoxy green on a wooden fore-stock and rear stock. It was so beautiful. I also used it in 3-gun competition.
I used both the full size and shorty models of the M500 in the Army before they replaced them with the 590A1. Awesome firepower. One thing that I advocated way back then was to use buckshot as an are suppression weapon given that one shot is like a burst of sub-machinegun fire. People laughed at me then and most still do now, but gradually more people are beginning to realize that buckshot at 100 or even 200 yards, puts a lot of lead into a wide space downrange. Even if only one pellets hits an enemy soldier, they're going to be severely wounded or even killed. Fired at a group of soldiers and much like a machine gun, it serves the purpose of keeping the enemy's heads down along with a high probability of hitting some of them. The only downside is that it's very limited on magazine capacity. But during an ambush where you just need to get out of a kill zone quickly while laying down immediate suppressive fire, it can be very effective for disrupting an ambush and buying time to move to cover.
As a civilian while my primary home defense long gun is an AR-15, I still keep a Mossberg Maverick 88 12 gauge pump shotgun topped off with Aguila buckshot minishells (using an OpSol Minishell adapter). It gives me a nice shot spread at 7 yards and doesn't over-penetrate while allowing me for a higher magazine capacity. So every now and then that shotgun does bedside home defense duty still.
Mine doesn't run mini shells, and knew my Mossberg 12g wasn't crap, I didn't know there is a mini shell adapter!?? Please tell me more, I'm still needing the tube extension for 3+ rounds
@@ThePatriotParadoxjust Google them they are sold online I'd look at some you tube reviews before you pick what brand you want to go with
@@ThePatriotParadox Yeah, the OpSol Minishell adapter works with the Mossberg Maverick 88, the Mossberg 500, and the Mossberg 590. They're inexpensive, easy to install, and work really well to insure that it feeds minishells reliably. Just google OpSol adapter and you'll see the company. They're made in Texas and their website has tons of videos showing how it works.
I always wondered if a Saiga or Gen-12 with drums could stand-in for a support weapon. Preferably with flechettes or #4 buck out of a full choke...
@@SecondhandChucklehead Or an AA-12.
14:14 8+1 rounds in real life, 57 rounds in movies
Alacablam!
Benelli M4: Faster shooting, soft recoil ❌
Mossy 590a1: Bayonet Slug ✅
So disappointed GT didn't did a bayonet charge.
Beretta 1301 the new king on the block. Benelli M-4 so yesterday 😂
Good video! I have got Mossberg 590 Retrograde (with M7 bayonet) and I like this weapon. Greetings from Poland!
Papa Garand running around manhandling my personal favorite shotgun is something I never knew that I needed, but I'm here for it.
Favorite time of the week
Love that mid GWOT inspired loadout.
DCU, MICH helmet, relatively modern PC, early knee pads.
I love the 1897. I have 6 in 12ga and one in 16ga and I use them for Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clay's, pheasant hunting, and I even qualled with one back when I was LEO that is chopped to 18½" to use off-duty. I also use Ithaca M37's and Mossberg 500 and 590's, but for the past 5+ years I use SxS shotguns, most with 18½" barrels, for most things.
I grew up since elementary school with shotguns and handguns. My father started me shooting skeet and handgun competitions when I was still in elementary school, and I didn't even have a centerfire rifle until my mid-teens. Because of that, I'm still a huge fan of shotguns and debated furiously with my Chief when he wanted to phase them out. Patrol rifles were a huge step forward, but they aren't a replacement for shotguns for some uses.
Hicks, I like to keep this handy for close encounters.👽
Been playing Aliens Fireteam Elite, Hicks was absolutely right to do so, darn reliable
@@UNSCPILOT Ithaca 37's are great my mom used one till she was 80.
Amen to that
@@pontiacGXPfan 👍
"Too right mate..."
22:38 Edit was pure Gold.
I have the Mossberg 590 Retro Grade. Beautiful wood furniture. 6 in the tube and 1 in the pipe. Always kept “Cruiser Ready”
Things Done Right ! ! ! The Flag on Mr. J's helmet Hung Proper, Horizontal, Stars to the upper left, and when aiming on a weapon, right eye down, left side toward the foe, Old Glory facing the enemy ! Well played Sir
22:32 AMAZING editing here Micah 🤣🤣🤣
Classics never die and usually fail less.
22:38 "I got 57 more goddamn rounds in this 4-round magazine!"
That night vision network shoutout came right as I was taking a big swig of lemonade and I choked on it, good stuff 😂
Because an unsupervised 17 year old Marine with a War Crime Stick is what we Americans call a "vibe"
Correction: “THE” vibe
It's only a war crime if an officer sees you doing it.
Drone defense. Didn’t even think about that. Great point
Bro the timing of this video dropping is insane. I just picked up an M590 for my main HD/SHTF gun and have been on this massive shotgun kick (pun intended) for the past few weeks.
Seeing how my shotgun patterns with Federal Flight Control has blown me away and, within 100 yards, I honestly don’t feel the need for my rifle or wouldn’t feel under-equipped if all I had was this 20” M590. With cheap Winchester Super-X slugs and the ghost ring sights, I’m able to get a 5” group at 100 yards and I’m confident I could easily center punch a torso at 150.
Yeah, capacity is low… but is it when many fights require multiple pistol or even 5.56 rounds to end a fight? Nine .33 caliber pellets flying at 1325 FPS and covering a torso is going to put anyone down. Like you also pointed out, other RUclipsrs have demonstrated that while level 4 plate armor will absolutely stop pellets easily, it doesn’t cover close to most of the body and buckshot will find a way.
Also, I’ve been studying and following the Ukraine War since before the full invasion in 2022, and watching troops on both sides shoot down drones has cemented, in my mind, that shotguns are never obsolete, just a different tool for a different job.
Anyways, thanks for making a video on my favorite shotgun, and now I feel even more inspired to get out there and get training to become really proficient with it.
Studying and following the Ukraine bullshit propaganda you mean? There has been tensions since 2014, but it isn’t a war yet bud
I prefer the Remington 870… just been more reliable for me. Mine, my brothers and my buddies have never once jammed. I’ve had several mossberg 500’s jam despite being nearly identical. I think it comes back to the bolt/rear block design. Remington’s is much more simple with easier break down and maintenance. I think military just chose the mossberg for pump release and pricing.
In 1918 the germans didn’t like the idea of the model 97 trench shotgun as it caused unnecessary suffering. Maybe you should’ve thought of that before bringing chemical weapons that cause the same suffering
Yeah and they have the best machine guns
Don't really see a difference, one buckshot or 12 7.62
They should have thought about that before being Germans.
Don't forget flame throwers introduce by the cry babies.
"i cant breathe because ive been shot in the chest by a shotgun vs huh for some reason my lungs feel like they're melting. " yeah definitely same suffering. germans are just butt hurt that they couldnt get away with weaponized air thats really cant be aimed
To bad they didn't mix flachets with incendiary an slug lols
25:50 W Dad advice :)
Because pump shotguns are very practical and reliable! I will now watch the video.
And more versatile.
@Burnscar81; I knew I would find a sensible answer if I looked long enough. Cheers.
I was in the navy from 1985 to 1995 . I sailed on a DDG , was a forward deployed MP in Japan during the Gulf War , then sailed on a CG during Operation Southern Watch in the Gulf . I was on the security teams of both of my ships . Our service shotgun was the M870 Remington . I currently run a Mossberg 500 tricked out like a 590 . Thanks for your service .
Had to have that thicker barrel huh?😂
Me at 0:36 when I finally find the guy spending all my money on pew pews (it was my bathroom mirror)