Professor Glenn Loury Talks Culture Wars and Moving Beyond Racial Lines
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2021
- Marc Lamont Hill sits down with Dr. Glenn Loury, an economics professor at Brown University, to talk about the latest push by conservatives to ban critical race theory and projects, such as the 1619 Project.
“Black America is grappling with newer terms of this proverbial ‘culture wars,’ such as anti-racism, ‘woke-ism’ or the true content of critical race theory,” Hill says.
Loury says that students in primary and secondary education should learn along the side of color blindness and that race isn’t the most important thing about people of color.
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I don't think I was the target audience for this show, but I can't be more appreciative of Marc's willingness to have an honest discussion with someone like Glenn Loury. I'm a fan of Glenn's, and Marc is asking great questions that I'm grateful to be able to hear Glenn answer.
Lourys display on Tucker Carson was horrible.
I couldn’t agree more! As a 24 year old white girl (who is using her boyfriend’s RUclips) I don’t know how I identify politically. I care about what’s going on in the country and my own community, and right now, I’m just trying to know all the facts surrounding all the controversial issues. I don’t care what they are, what side they “help”, or who they come from (if credible). Glenn Loury is someone I trust as a scholar and what he has to say about race as a black man, although I he is used as a pawn in that way sometimes too. You should really watch Marc talk to Candace Owens and see how little it he truly knows as far as American history is concerned, and he typically uses semantics or emotional arguments that sets a trap for white people in particular. I’m not sure I’m supposed to be a viewer of his channel according to him either, but I’ll listen to Glenn speak to anyone. Even Tucker Carlson!
@@stanlearner5102 how so?
@@notherebutthere3 white men would NEVER adopt the submissive posture Loury advocates for black people. In a world where complaint is arguably the key tactic of nonviolent political advance why should black complaint be presumed to be disingenuous whining. Fox News has been complaining about the browning of America since Obama was elected. No one tells the or the tea party to "stop whining you already ruled this country for over a century." you can't name a single prominent Jewish scholar who argues that anti anti Semitism is worse than anti semitism itself. And clearly Loury is soft peddling here in order to sell the reissue of his archaic book on racial inequality. He is much more cruel towards the black community when he gets with McWhorter.
@@notherebutthere3 if anything Lamont came to Candace Owens unprepared for her level of dishonesty. She has no understanding of history or modern politics but what she is good at is ignoring her lack of knowledge and being really confident in that. I suppose she is doing what she is pastors to do. You seem intelligent... don't fall for it.
I disagree with Marc almost entirely, but I have to hand it to him for engaging with everyone.
He isn’t afraid - that’s for damn sure.
Because he just recycles the same dang script over and over without actually moving the ball. He's been doing this for almost a decade and has not gotten a cent more intelligent from it.
@@krisjones4051 and has the side you support been better?
@@tyiingram9878 his criticisms were directed at Marc, not whatever perceived “side” he’s on. Grow up, and stop turning everything into a team sport. It benefits no one.
@@eric7436 amen
Saw Glenn Loury in the title and never clicked so fast in my life.
I’m another. I crave his intellectual pragmatism.
I discovered him this year. He did a video on the trayvon hoax. He is extremely objective
Same. He’s the sort of public intellectual we need more of.
Glenn and John Mcwhorter are both great
@@jkluvschachi yes the objective types. I like those
If only our politicians could talk "across the isle" in this manner. This is as American as it gets.
I'm much more worried when they agree on something, it usually means that the taxpayers are getting screwed again.
#NotBlackNotWhiteAmerican
@@BigD007 yawn.
@@BigD007 tell that to our history
Kudos to Marc Lamont Hill for having Glenn on
Marc legitimately seems to encourage honest and productive discussions (he’s not a “gotcha” guy, like some others…).
Great discussion, Marc facilitates great engagement with differing viewpoints.
Agreed. This is how you do it.
@@lojo1 I’ve seen Mark set up plenty of gotcha moments, but he started this off with an obvious show of respect to Glen.
@@listener84 Marc is a moron who can't think for himself. But Glenn is a genuine free thinker and great human.
Glenn Loury is a beautiful human being and the world would be a better place with more people like him.
he's and old doofus who wants to make nice with racists.
@@Dentsun4228 No. He values free and open debate on the merit of ideas.
@@DGot14U what does that even mean...theres people who find merit in slavery. when a persons mind is too open they can be understanding of rationalizations for atrocities.
@@Dentsun4228 That's not what that means
@@Dentsun4228 wow, it must be awful to be you.
This was such an excellent conversation. Kudos to Hill and Loury for the thoughtful dialogue.
The lack of hostility and tension is refreshing. Kudos to Marc for organizing these talks and letting his guests speak.
The lack of hostility was due to the fact that he knew that he was outmatched
@@theengineered1949 nope. They agreed more than disagreed. Don’t be salty.
Salty about what exactly?
I think while Marc disagrees with Loury, as an academic he respects Loury's chops.
@@diranshouse7061 Loury is mature.
Hill sets forth a lot of straw man arguments.
Glenn Loury is the man. Intellectual power house.
@Darrel
The numbers are actually pretty even. Best stats I could find were from 2017, when the total for whites (across federal, state, and local prisons) was 806,600 while for blacks it was 726,000. So if Loury was talking ALL prisons, he was probably correct. If you don’t take into account local jails, then the number is more for blacks: 475,900 to 436,500.
@@HannahClapham To much,you should disband public schools if this is the case.
Absolutely brilliant man
Whites best friend
@@HannahClapham Numbers never tell the story, percentages do. We're only 15% of the population, yet we imprisoned almost as much as the majority? If you don't see a problem with this, people like you and this professor are the problem!!
Dr. Glenn Lowry is a gift.
To whites
@@troybradley2575 To all free thinking open minded persons
@@dougsmith2715 just whites
@@dougsmith2715 he’s not open minded. He’s completely biased in his opinions.
@@TreyDoe In your opinion he is biased. How about Kmele Foster, Malcolm Gladwell, Coleman Hughes, Sam Harris, Stephen Pinker, etc
Finally, a heavyweight.
@Blacks against hateful trump he was talking about lowry
@Blacks against hateful trump This is shockingly hilarious.
@Blacks against hateful trump I can't wait to see the bout between you and Blacks for a based Trump...
You must feel dumb you didn't vote for DJT by now, eh?
@Blacks against hateful trump
I am Black and am not against Trump please Change your name to @A Black Against Hateful Trump. You not represent an ounce of All black people Sir
Did Marc Lamont Hill just say Nikole Hannah Jones is being cancelled by the right? She’s essentially the editor in chief at the New York Times. And was just granted tenure at UNC. So when the left is cancelled they move up in the world? That must be so difficult. 🙄
Granted tenure AFTER a Republican donor and activists tried to push the university to deny it to her.
@@eazeyt1759 but they were unsuccessful.
@@euphegenia *Should attempted murder carry a prison sentence?*
@@haza123b4 the question is who currently has the power to cancel. Glen asserts it's the Left, and MLH uses NHJ's tenure battle as a counter example.
since she got her tenure, and kept her influential job (which was never in jeopardy), I'd say it's not a good example for MLH. in fact it proves Glen's point.
Glen is right. Both sides cancel when they have the power, and right now that's the left. Cancelling is bad in general, even when the right did/does it.
Love Mark, love Glenn. Both make really valid points to my ears. I just think it’s good to hear both side in a clear way. Good job guys.
Marc didnt make valid points.
If you love Marc, you're an idiot.
@@TheVicBarman
You weren't listening. Glenn actually agreed with many of Marc's points.
A lot of people just hear what they want to hear because it makes them feel good and fail to truly understand the bigger picture.
The host seems to only see through black racial lenses, while the guest seems to be more objective, open and receptive to transracial lenses to use his words.
Ha!
If you want to see more of Glenn Loury, I’d suggest that you take a look at the Glenn Show. He talks to John McWhorter a lot but he also has a variety of other guests.
Professor Glenn Loury, you have an amazing ability to explain complex points well. I agree with you and I'm thankful to hear your perspective on various topics.
"Sometimes you have to be held accountable for holding atrocious positions on things." Who decides which positions are atrocious? Does MLH believe he doesn't hold positions plenty of other people find atrocious? Does he believe his political tribe will hold power indefinitely? This is short-sided thinking.
MLH is a very simple thinker .
He's not stupid, he's just dishonest
Examples would be what Hitler did and slavery. Our society has evolved to where those things are considered atrocious and agreeing with them are beyond the boundaries of what's acceptable. Yes there are some gray areas but there are also some clearly defined boundaries.
@@xman9190 How about Stalin? Mao?
@@chaosmos24
Are you trying to make a point?
If we listened to Glenn we would be on our way to solving the difficulties that face our country.
Lies. Glenn was completely outmatched against Dr. William "Sandy" Darity, another Black economists who actually has the data to have a serious discussion about the root of the Black/White issue in America-- wealth.
ruclips.net/video/VMGJVXnpgzw/видео.html
I will also post a video to Antonio Moore, a lawyer out of UCLA who also deals with wealth data.
ruclips.net/video/EciD49Jn38I/видео.html
I think Glenn brings an important perspective. I deviate from some of his more conservative convictions but I appreciate this contribution.
Maybe some Coleman Hughes and John McWhorter to keep him from some of his crazier positions.
@@robertreed9818 people who talk about debates this way should be dismissed out of hand.
@@willisverynice people who cite people who use data in their argumentation? What are you talking about?
I thought I was dreaming when I saw the thumbnail. I have to hand it to MLH. He’s wrong, but he’s fearless.
@Aaron Hackett Lol if I just said “he’s right”, and left it at that, would you still have a snarky response? Further, I don’t see your dissertation posted on this thread either. With all due respect, foh.
@Aaron Hackett I’m not a “right-winger”. Anything else?
@Aaron Hackett He's not a right winger. Some ninjas just can't get past the programming.
Would you want to expand on that?
What is Lamont wrong about.
Loving this show. Thank you for sharing opposing views. Dr. HILL thank you for letting your guest speech with out interruption.
Continuously impressed with MLH's willingness to have meaningful discussions with intellectual juggernauts with opposing viewpoints. This is the path forward.
Steel sharpens steel.
It always has been the path forward. Unfortunately, academics and intellectuals are the only ones willing to trade in ideas and visions. Anyone outside the academic sphere seems to have no interest in debate with mutual respect and a willingness to listen. I know it sounds like a broken record but I keep beating that drum - in an era of social media, advocacy journalism, yellow journalism, and political grandstanding, I don't see a way out of this. We all have the First Amendment freedoms to say what we want, but vitriolic and acerbic speech somehow needs to be disincentivized somehow.
Professor Glenn Loury is one of my favorite intellectuals of our time. He has an uncanny ability to clearly explain complex issues. Thank you for having him on your show! 🙏🏽
Why? Because he denies reality and wants to make everyone comfortable at the expense of those that look like him?
@@Indefenseoftheafricandiaspora hes a clown. id call him a clown to his face. i have no respect for people like him
Two things: 1) props to George Lamont for actually having people on his show who know what they’re talking about
2) GL shows Loury respect that I’d like to see him show all his guests
Marc Lamont Hill, not George Hill.
@@Lurch685 thanks
Nice!!! Very glad to see Glenn Lowry on here. Marc, I disagree with your view but I watch your show because you actually let your guest talk and letting them have an opportunity to defend what they're saying. I really respect that and I appreciate your intelligent discussion with your guests.
Facts
Marc is pretty awesome when he is not being an antagonist. He is at his best when he isn't grinning. Once he starts to grin and smirk, that's the devious side....
The professor is a part of the get along gang and want to have it both ways lets take racist talk out of it and pretend it doesn't exist because if we make it about racism and color the racist will continue to push back and we cant move forward progressively but that talking point is dead on arrival because you are trying to make a deal with those who operate from a dark world in an satonic realm it will never not see color as a reason to treat anyone of color inhumanely. Lets be real brother since the beginning we have had to deal with racism and have tried everything at our disposal to be the bigger person and try reason with those who hate colored people. In conclusion their is no fix without completer support and complete acknowledgement and complete repentance from the oppressors.
@@mr.d3884 Religious extremism needs to be barred from this conversation. Racist religious cults like the Black Hebrew Israelites, Nation of Islam, Nation of Nuwaubian Moores, etc. have enough followers. The last thing we need to be doing is demonizing other groups of people, and that's exactly what you're doing here. This has no place in civil public discourse which is what Marc is trying to model here. You try to lump Prof. Loury in with some group that doesn't even exist, rather than recognize him for the independent thinking individual he is, and address his arguments. That's just a bigoted smear campaign and it will get you nowhere. You want to "be real" but nowhere do you say anything substantive or even demonstrate that you're familiar with his views, or listened to his points in this video.
What do you disagree with? People just say that shit to undermine those on the other side of the political spectrum.
I fucking love Glenn Loury
Marc - Thank you for being among the few willing to converse w/ people you disagree with. #Respect. I wish more people would do it. We need discourse, and lots of it.
Great discussion by both guest and moderator. As someone who lives in SF and has kids in the public schools, I've seen the abuse of CRT and it's not in the classroom, it's on the school board. Rather than confronting Covid and getting kids back into school, the school board decided to rename 44 schools, including Washington HS & Jefferson HS due to historic racism by George & Abraham, declare acronyms racist and ban their use, and scapegoat Lowell HS, one of the most prestigious college prep schools in the country, as racist in order to change the admissions policy. As a result, the student population shrank, which has reduced federal funding for the district. The vast majority of parents want their kids to learn the totality of American history, good, bad, and ugly. What they don't want is for the school board to declare the school system as an extension of "white supremacy" to justify radical changes without public input.
People just love "symbolic" and foofoo stuff. You know, the kind of stuff that doesn't put any money in your pocket, increase your IQ or make any shred of functional difference in anybody's lives. The effort and money that goes into changing the names, they could've certainly spend it else where. I can just imagine, once the 44 schools are renamed, people clapped, cheered then went home.
@@hanh3000 Fortunately the renaming of schools was suspended before it could be implemented but it was a big waste time & $$$.
BS!
CRT is just not a reasonable or helpful solution racial inequality in America. In fact, it’s so divisive and detrimental I think we are in dangerous territory here. Facts and opinions are not the same thing, and CRT is simply not rooted in fact at all. It’s a narrative that uses some factual evidence that “supports” it but at the end of the day, to say our country is inherently racist does no good for anyone! Let’s update our history classes so that we are all taught more about what really happened, by who, etc. and it tells me we are the only country that ever abolished slavery unlike the rest of the world. We are better now than we ever were, and while we aren’t perfect, we’re still lucky to live here. I think if you really look at the idea behind the American dream and do so as it does relate to black history, would you not agree the black man (like Glenn here for example and all his success) represents it perfectly?
@@notherebutthere3 so teaching the holocaust should be taken out of history class as well correct ? or teachings about the first 15 presidents of the united states should be taken out of school correct? or teaching about Terrorism attacks on Americans should be taken out correct?
Professor Glenn Loury Ladies and Gents.... 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Yep! Glenn does get exposed on his fake outcry on Cancel Culture
Glen put Mark, the bigot, in his place. Mark is all about race and being against anyone who isn’t black.
How can you have “common humanity” with people that don’t see us as human?! That statement by Loury is why this channel could go off the air tomorrow and I wouldn’t miss it.
Lol 🤣 Loury handled him with kid gloves.
Loury was hesitant to truly engage because I believe Marc would have put him in a position that would reveal that it is not in white people's interest to have true equality. He didn't want to have to acknowledge that. Loury is hoping white people will prove him right by truly see black humanity.
@@truthsaviour8804 Facts. Fixing racism means they lose earned privilege and resources. Getting rid of Racism doesn't fit the white identity agenda.
@@JohnSmith-hs1hn The only person that admitted that it's not in the agenda of black people to have a liberal colorblind society was Marc. The reality is that the only group pushing colorblindness and treating others equally are Conservatives, the group pushing race based policies and segregation of groups based on race are Democrats.
This was a respectful debate, not a boxing match. I don't get people like you, always looking at every debate as some kind of fight.
MLH not ready for that
Glad to finally see a situation where Marc treats somebody with respect and dignity who disagrees with him.
Yeah it's a two way street
Respect and dignity are earned. If you want to lie about things that are easily reputable or have weak arguments to back up your terrible claims expect to be demolished. You guys always whine about participation trophies... but a guest should just get one for showing up? Seems like a double standard.
@@tanjianforever “ you guys”, “ participation trophy”? You can miss me with all of that.
@@CaptainBlackGB yes all the people on the right who are so upset by political correctness, wokeism, and CRT.
NHJ wasn't cancelled. She got the tenured post.
I didn't think she had. I thought she was offered an extension of a 5 year post to then reapply?
@@Danoftheconda Old news. She got tenure.
@@estebannemo1957 well, that'd disappointing to hear. I listened to Glenn and John speak about this in quite some depth. I thought the five year approach was a good compromise
And then declined it to take a position at Howard U, along with her dear friend and fellow grifter Ta-Nehisi Coates.
Glenn is on FIRE as usual, keep spreading the good word Glenn you absolute beast 🔥🔥🔥
The professor is a part of the get along gang and want to have it both ways let take racist talk out of it and pretend it doesn't exist because if we make it about racism and color the racist will continue to push back and we cant move forward progressively but that talking point is dead on arrival because you are trying to make a deal with those who operate from a dark world in an satonic realm it will never not see color as a reason to treat anyone of color inhumanely. Lets be real brother since the beginning we have had to deal with racism and have tried everything at our disposal to be the bigger person and try reason with those who hate colored people. In conclusion their is no fix without completer support and complete acknowledgement and complete repentance from the oppressors.
@@mr.d3884 ...so how do you suggest we proceed...? Keep in mind that black people are around 16% of the population of the US and white people are around 60%... Whether they are right or wrong, if enough of them are provoked enough, our lives will just get worse...far worse possibly before it's all over...Dr. Loury speaks from the wisdom of discretion. Know your enemy and proceed with caution. Think about the long term consequences of actions taken today. Come from a place of reason and rationality rather than emotion and "feeling some kinda way"... Oh and Dr. Loury is very restrained in this interview! I have seen him talk with fire in his belly and certainly didn't let Dr. Hill have it like he could...!
@@iseektruth64 your only talking black percentage in America don't forget those outside of America it would take a universal approach black people shouldn't be the only ones outraged and upset about the injustice of racism, it should be all people around the world. I'm sure if the world came together to hold America Accountable America would be outnumbered. And I stand firm you can't make a deal with darkness that's why the fight is never ending and no matter what the strategy is the only why you stop a bully is you stand up to him not make a deal to buy his lunch 3 times a week
@@mr.d3884 as for everyone around the world, why did you imagine that the problem of racism in the US is the biggest thing on people's mind? There are many, many more millions of black people in Africa alone who, ona day to day basis, have problems far worse than black Americans have with racism! What do you think those people think of black Americans who go out into the streets to "protest" while wearing their designer clothes and expensive shoes, and going home to their air conditioned houses and apartments at night?! A vast number of those people would literally give up a limb to come to the US to have the right to "protest"! Trust me, I know what I'm talking about when I tell you that the world's patience is getting thin with African Americans...I'm originally from East Africa... Millions of people there are still trying to get a stable supply of safe drinking water and can't be bothered with the demands of the most privileged group of black people the world has ever seen ..
@@iseektruth64 bro the people in Africa would like to come here so they can make money and send it back home to Africa not because they want to live in the US . Africans that come to America for citizenship are not doing so because they hate their country or they are running from racism and not all of Africa is living in proverty. I really don't see the difference between the homeless population in the US to the proverty in Africa with the exception their are more people in Africa. What you just suggest was Black American should shut up and be happy they got air-conditioning and clothes bro you are out of touch with reality and are clearly part of the problem that have protesters in the streets fighting for equality and justice
Now that’s a conversation-well done Marc, please have more of these conversations-really helpful and hopeful.
Hill is a victim in his own mind. His projection of "I'm not seen as human" will preserve and create his experience.
I think he is just lying. He is intelligent enough to know it's not true. He needs to lie to support his leftist agenda.
His statement is not prophecy or merely "victim mentality".
It is fact based on his personal experience and that of millions of people that look like him.
(Not EVERY Black has the same experience, but hundreds of years of history- and current happenings- leads Hill and others to make a statement like that with confidence)
@@marcusdarden1535 it is an objectively ludicrous mentality.
@@adamyoung7999 you must not be Black.
You dismiss something you don't know anything about merely because you disagree with it... THAT is ludicrous.
Of course that's easy for you to say... It's not “your” experience... The very fact that you believe you have the right to chastise...Let alone downplay “his” experience... illustrates your “privilege”, “entitlement”, and willful ignorance...
Nikole Hannah Jones “canceled by the right” due to “ideological differences?” Are you kidding me? First of all, she was in absolutely no way “canceled”- as Glenn pointed out she still has her job, she was merely not granted permanent, irrevocable employment via that job, _at this time._ She still has her job, is still a media darling and I’m sure she will continue to have plenty of lucrative opportunities as a writer and speaker. This is _one_ university exercising its right to vote not to give her _permanent_ employment as of this very moment. And second, it was NOT “ideological differences”- it was HISTORICAL inaccuracy that was blatantly prevalent in her work. That’s not a disagreement of ideology; it’s the failure of a _journalist_ to correctly report on critical facts. That is somewhat important to being a tenured professor of journalism, no?
Cancel her. Her work is dumb.
Yes pretty much this exactly. Hill's blatant false equivocation. The best example of a left wing person being cancelled is the woman who blatantly lies about history being criticized for it? Meanwhile she still has everything she did before, and more? Give me a break.
"I think 'white fragility' is a term of art." Professor Glenn Loury
Nasty fellow.
Race is a term of art.
He’s correct, it’s some made up nonsense that spews whites can’t even see that they are racist. And if they push back, that proves they are racist😂Who spends $25 to read garbage like this😂
@@lew7907 we talking about racism because of whites in the first place
@@taujhrutledge3982 white people did not invent racism.
Glenn let the host off the hook easy in the end.
I've seen many of Glenn and John McWhorter's conversations; Glenn was VERY, VERY polite with MLH. I was a little disappointed. Glenn pulled his punches
@@Lolaismypoopydog2036 I agree with you there. I went a lil soft there
. The professor is a part of the get along gang and want to have it both ways let take racist talk out of it and pretend it doesn't exist because if we make it about racism and color the racist will continue to push back and we cant move forward progressively but that talking point is dead on arrival because you are trying to make a deal with those who operate from a dark world in an satonic realm it will never not see color as a reason to treat anyone of color inhumanely. Lets be real brother since the beginning we have had to deal with racism and have tried everything at our disposal to be the bigger person and try reason with those who hate colored people. In conclusion their is no fix without complete support and complete acknowledgement and complete repentance from the oppressors.
@@Lolaismypoopydog2036 You’re just salty bc they agreed more than disagreed.
@@dipthongthathongthongthong9691 nah - if you've seen bloggingheads.tv, Glenn is waay more feisty. I'm sure part of it is that Glenn is a guest, as opposed to being a host
Glenn, you were nicer than I’ve seen you. You’re still holding the line though-Thank you.
This is my first time seeing him - so what do u mean “nicer”? Is he usually more animated/ hostile/ disagreeable?
@@lojo1 He’s usually more animated and assertive. Watch him with John McWhorter.
He seemed to be trying to make his words and message as palatable as possible so as not to "fight" with Marc or be too boisterous.
You think Marc wasn't holding back? Pfft.
Loury could win a debate over what Marc ate for breakfast
“Our people”. What if a conservative said that?
Well that’s what is coming if this stuff doesn’t stop.
They do...
It's just cloaked in terms like "conservative".
Us usual March can't let go of his race hammer. Hey Marc can black people be racist?
Conservatives run cancel culture? I hope that's a joke! I will go on rolexord and say noone should ever be persecuted for anything they say- No words are taboo, employers can't fire you, schools can't expel you. You and you ilk gonna agree to that Marc?
@@marcusdarden1535 Get out.
You can either draw a circle around a community and say "this is our business, and your involvement and input are not welcome;" or you can appeal to inclusion and a larger vision of community to solve problems. You cannot do both.
The latter is desirable if people follow the lead of the community who is impacted in determining how they (outsiders) should be involved.
Who is trying to do both?
@@KtotheG Nobody. Everyone just gets conflated in these lazy discussions.
@@wteva99 A lot of people just like blowing smoke. We're in the age of anti-intellectualism.
what? You don't feel motivated to contribute when people are labeling you a privileged oppressor, colonizer, slaver, and overall destroyer of worlds and plague on humanity? C'mon bro. You are being way too fragile.
I need to add Glenn Loury to my list of heroes! So far, he seems kind a caring and intelligent man.
He is a phenomenal guy. Very nuanced, yet very data driven.
Add John McWhorter & Roland Fryer.
Black News Tonight...you all absolutely should consider Glen having his own segment on here. He does represent a portion of black thought that we need to give choice to.
I disagree a lot with Glen over on blogging heads...but this is the perfect space for us to hear and evolve together.
Couldn't agree more
The professor is brilliant, and if the idiotic left followed his view on it, no one would argue. The show host is so insistant on racial identity.
Because race matters, unfortunately, in the world of humans.
It's not his fault European intellectuals and academics legitmized and made racism "scientific" and acceptable so much so that it codified modern racism into the public conscious where it matters so much today.
Concept of Whiteness and superiority is a white Caucasian European inventions, so blame them for the mess they created. Now that is a real thing you want delete from the dictionary because you cant handle facing the legacy and crimes committed as result of this ideology. Its like saying Al Qaeeda changed their names to Kittens or Strawberry short cake will change what they were! The name is not the problem it the actions and ideology behind it.
@@walan31 As an immigrant fron Syria, follow my advice!! Flee!!! All I see is how oppressed blacks are in america, but nobody is fleeing!! 100 of millions are fleeing oppression, it’s nothing wrong being a refugge!you must act not cry, helps nobody! I got a much gooder lifer here in germany!👍👍 I am sure there is no race problem in africa! Go be a free human no being oppressed!!💕👍
@@babyyoda3118 At some point we have to fight the Western warmonger imperialists and neocolonialists so we build and live in our own countries without them causing instability to steal the natural resources of our homelands. They do the same to the Middle East that they do to Africa, Latin America etc.... Syrian people don't deserve American bombs and drone strikes because they want to play political war with Russia and China. Solidarity with you my friend. We all have to use the education and skills gained in the West to eventually fight the West.
That was a good discussion! Much needed
I agree + appreciate BNT inviting Dr. Loury but 17:30 really showed Professor Lamont's character and biases. Glenn Loury picked up on it with his departing salutation.
The idea that NHJ not receiving tenure can be conflated with people who have been driven out of polite society is absurd. Did she not end up receiving that position anyway?
Stuff like that has happened several times to me.
I respect that Loury is willing to talk to anyone, but Lamont Hill is a clown
It seems like marc talks to anyone as well and yes still a 🤡
He's an Ivy league Doctorate...and yet he's still a clown?
@@AndrewPhillipsqualityassurance I gave him a kiss and a kick. I like him for welcoming people for debate but he is clownish in many ways. Ivy league people are not immune to criticism. My man was canceled by the UN yet white supremacy is the number 1 enemy and he can't see the cancel culture agenda at play when he himself was a victim of it. 🤡 af
I remember when Dr. Hill wanted Don Imus fired in 2007 and Patrice O’Neal completely exposed his arguments.
Lmao Patrice was the only human in that room full of robots. I miss that man so much.
A legendary Patrice moment
I remember that too! Here's a video ruclips.net/video/vW01Cn_qzj0/видео.html
and MLH still hasnt learned...
RIP Patrice
Marc, I respect you for having discussions with people have différent opinions than you.
Glenn was holding back a lot on this interview. I’m disappointed 😔
I was thinking the same thing. But I think he was looking to navigate a hostile environment with calm talk . Hoping he could actually be heard by an audience that would not normally listen. But he was way softer on his opinions as he expressed on his podcast. He also never called mark on all his double talk. Claiming there is no crt then defending crt. Claiming cancel culture doesn't exist. Then claiming some people need to be cancelled, And saying that right wingers are only upset because it's them for being canceled. Acknowledging that they are being cancel they're just upset that it's them. Then being upset that 1 of the left's 1619 project authors was being canceled. And then specifically said that she was be Canceled. Glenn did a good job of navigating what could have been A talk over each other interview that got nothing out. I thought he sports a good points made some solid arguments. But I wish he would have been a little more firm. But I still love the man.
@@roboshort72 Don’t get me wrong, I still love the man too. And I also understand it’d have been impossible to have a civil discussion with this guy, if Glenn had spoken freely , . But I think he could’ve pushed back more on some of the points you’ve raised and still maintain a civil discussion.
Same here.
Wow Glenn went easy on him, but at least they had him on.
I love seeing Glen Loury on this news program!!! This is the ONLY way we can begin to dig deeper into the complexities and intense emotional feelings around these subjects. Talk with those who differ, not only to the people who mirror you, and real understanding can come.
Glen Loury is at his best when challenged by left intellectuals. Not when he’s part of the right podcast echo chamber. Cornell West and Teodros Kiros were on his show recently and the conversation was excellent.
Rev. Barbour comes to mind when discussing a transracial coalition of poor and working class. Adolph Reed as well. But the people who claim “but but what about poor whites” often criticize such movements as being”socialist.” Of course, because capitalism is scared to death of class conscious transracial organizing and action. Duh.
That and it doesn't really help Blacks at all. For example, when we look at the Medicare for All movement, that would greatly help Whites, but Blacks not so much. Blacks are still viewed as experiencing less pain than Whites, which results in a whole host of issues, from diagnosis to treatment. You would essentially be giving Blacks access to substandard care. How is that better for Blacks?
@@robertreed9818 So Blacks don't benefit from Medicare now? They most certainly do benefit and would benefit from Medicare 4 All the most since so many are in jobs that are minimum wage and have no or very little benefits.
@@artgurrl Of course they do; however, the greatest net benefit will be for Whites, as they will have access to far better care based on the ways bias and discrimination shows up in the medical field. That bias must be addressed and it requires scrutiny that class reductionists say don't exist.
Loury had all that energy for Coates, Hannah-Jones, and countless others on his show with McWhorter. Now he can't find any of that energy or backbone to talk to MLH like he does behind his back. Loury is a coward and a right wing funded troll. He's an eloquent Jesse Lee Peterson.
@@robertreed9818 I'm sorry but you couldn't be more wrong. Rural whites also suffer from lack of access to healthcare not only due to cost but not having medical care facilities anywhere close to them. This is about class and those in inner city and rural areas suffer the same issue. Middle class whites and blacks don't have nearly the lack of healthcare or bias as do poor blacks and whites. This is totally a class issue. Race reductionists don't give a crap about anyone but their tribe. That goes for actual white hooded white supremacists and Kendi following race reductionists.
Glenn Loury's face the whole time is like "This guy is full of sh**"
@Aaron Hackett Eh, I prefer my description more 😝
Did Hill provide examples? Or did he just talk in vagueries and generalizations about critical race theory like he usually does? He didnt refute a single thing Loury said.
He ironically got cancelled by CNN for his viewpoints on Palestinians. The Left eats its own and he was on the menu himself. Critical Race Theory is anti-White racism being popularized by the same party that started the KKK and fought for slavery. I'm good without that.
@Aaron Hackett MLH extols the virtues of CRT which is complete horse manure. That *is* the specific example. Sorry you dont like it! Another specific example is Mark's fatuous claim that CRT isnt taught in primary or secondary schools---even more horse manure.
Just a cursory search on DuckDuckGo pulls up several examples which arent Law Schools.
www.faithwire.com/2021/03/12/biracial-student-fails-critical-race-theory-class-for-refusing-to-confess-white-dominance-unlearn-christian-values/
CNN isnt Leftist?? 😭
1) Look, I know you have Trump Derangement Syndrome like everyone to the left of Rand Paul does, but bringing his name up doesnt score you any rhetorical points. I didnt even vote for the guy either time he ran so the strawman framing is pretty impotent.
2) CNN actively ran interference for the Democrat party during the coronavirus pandemic and the Black Lives Matter riots twin tornadoes of 2020. You think the average liberal supported their property being burned, police being defunded, the border situation imploding or the dissolution of the middle class according to a new Harvard study that gauged the economic catastrophe from the lockdowns? Didn't CNN run chyrons that said "Mostly Peaceful Protests" with raging conflagrations in the background? 😂😂 I love your 1980s to now history lesson, but neoliberalism and the military-industrial complex aside, CNN supported the largest transfer of wealth to technocratic billionaires in history on top of a racial-proletarian revolution and you don't think that smacks of socialism? Oops, I forgot! Real socialism has never been tried, so when Stalin used his stolen money to buy a summer mansion in Sochi, that wasn't _reeeal_ socialism. My apologies. Venezuela and Cuba didnt get it right either, but one of these days we'll see a working class revolt! 😎
Look buddy, I studied CRT in law school in the 2010s. I know what I'm talking about. All the biggest names in whiteness studies, from Noel Ignatiev, to David Roediger, to their ideological lodestar, W.E.B. Du Bois (who first coined the term “whiteness” to begin with in "Souls of White Volk") were Marxist. In the examples of Ignatiev and Du Bois, they were actual Communist Party members. Du Bois learned a lot of philosphy from Johann Herder who coincidentally inspired the German nationalist movement of the early 1900s.. Ring a bell? Marx was also a racist himself so the ideological lineage is quite strong between him and Du Bois. Roediger fully embraced Du Bois’s philosophy as well as his 1991 book “The Wages of Whiteness” which spawned the discipline of “Whiteness Studies." Derrick Bell, godfather, of CRT, also incorporated elements of whiteness into his work such as "Faces At The Bottom of The Well." He inspired Kimberlé Crenshaw who coined CRT; she notably said,
"We discovered ourselves to be critical theorists who did race and racial justice advocates who did critical theory.”
So the Marxian connection is indisputable, which makes this quote about Marx from Angela Harris, another CRT scholar, appropriately salient:
"'The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it. (Karl Marx)' Critical theory differs from pure philosophy in its motivation to provoke change, and thus it necessarily traffics in the emotions. Challenging power relations, as critical theorists love to do, means *provoking anger, disquiet, anxiety, and even fear in those with a settled understanding of who they are and where they belong."*
Hmmm. Even more unsettling is the connection between CRT scholars (e.g. Angela Davis of the Women's Brigade) and the terrorist group Weather Underground... And people are surprised that BLM destroyed over $2 billion in property while its founders got rich? Let's cut the crap Aaron, we all know CRT reconstructs the word "racism" in Foucaldian fashion to mean "discrimination + power" so we are arguing past each other. But based on the Webster Dictionary's definition of racism, specifically of the anti-white flavor, your mischaracterization of CRT as a mere "critique" and a mere extension of Critical Legal Studies is facile, insipid and downright mendacious. There was even an educational worksheet that the Museum of African American History, a part of the Smithsonian, released last summer for classroom use, which said that ideas like hard work, punctuality, arithmetic, and politeness are just evidence of systemic racism (“whiteness”) in American life. Ridiculous. I guess the Indians and Chinese are suffering from white supremacy while dominating medical and technology sectors.
Also.. Seriously, the Southern Strategy? You get all your news from Salon? This argument was soundly debunked by Dinesh D'Souza and many others. Blacks, aka the *victims" of the confederacy voted predominantly Republican at a time when the Democratic Party was manifestly the party of segregation and the Ku Klux Klan. However, that changed when FDR, who got less than 1/3 of the black vote in 1932, got 75% of the black vote in 1936 thanks to the New Deal. LBJ got 90% thanks to Great Society reparations programs. So which switch were we talking about? D'Souza says,
"And how many racist Dixiecrats did Nixon win for the GOP? Turns out, virtually none. Among the racist Dixiecrats, Strom Thurmond of South Carolina was the sole senator to defect to the Republicans - and he did this long before Nixon's time. Only one Dixiecrat congressman, Albert Watson of South Carolina, switched to the GOP. The rest, more than 200 Dixiecrat senators, congressmen, governors and high elected officials, all stayed in the Democratic Party."
Barry Goldwater was called racist because he opposed the CRA due to libertarian disagreements. And Nixon using "law & order" messaging was considered dog-whistling. No evidence whatsoever and George Wallace, a professional bigot, won the Deep South over Nixon. Are you also blissfully ignorant that Joe Biden was friends with James O. Eastland, Herman Talmadge and other Dixiecrats. Biden was a true Yellow Dog dixiecrat who opposed bussing and created myriad crime bills! Judge Joe Brown confirmed a story about him being praised by Dixiecrats for that very fact. But Republicans are the "white" party? LOL.
The projection is sad. You dont know your history or political theory bro. Now begone.
You people are horrible at debate. Stop the focus on personalities and focus on the argument. Damn.
@@krisjones4051 Do you have a response to anything that was said in this debate?
@@KtotheG I gave my response already. I concur with Loury's conscientious colorblind approach to politics where we dont ignore race completely, but we acknowledge that America is fundamentally equal across skin colors. The issues most people face today are a) due to personal choice or b) due to issues of class.
Love Dr. Glenn Loury. Such an incisive and objective voice within the black community that serves as a good representative for those of us who share his less popular views.
Glen is playing ball here a little. If you follow Glen you know he has the ability to contribute much much more to this conversation. Clearly he held back out of politeness and respect for Marc and his audience. And, I think that is great. Leave the door open for more talks. And, big respect to Marc for continuing to talk to those that disagree.
Sign me up for the 2
Hour long form discussion with these two
Nah! This is about how long Hill can hold up without getting into intellectual jargon when common sense begins to prevail.
I'm a simple man. If i see Glenn Loury, I click. He is a genius. A real breath of fresh air. As for Marc Lamont Hill, I disagree with 99% of what he says and almost ferociously, as I think he's incredibly smug, but I do really appreciate and respect that he has anyone on his show who he disagrees with and this is what we need more of.
If you like his work check out Dr. Thomas Sowell. He really breaks down economics within a historical context that goes beyond current dialogue.
Why do you think Mark is smug??
@@scottcoleman2687 I love Thomas Sowell.
@@supermaple1919 He's an anti-semite, follows Louis Farrakhan, which is enough for me. He also doesn't make any original arguemements and merely echoes the main stream argument as his main talking points. When someone is clearly winning the debate, he goes to commercial break, or says fair enough and then quickly moves on without acknowledging anything. You could even see Glenn's reaction at the end, his dismay. Glenn took it easy on Marc too. If you could prove me wrong, I would be all ears. Again, I do respect that he has opposing thoughts on.
@@hitech0202 On December 1, 2018, Hill said that "we must reject anti-Semitism in any form or fashion" and apologized "for the reception of my message". Hill wrote in The Philadelphia Inquirer: "justice will come through a single bi-national democratic state that encompasses Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza."[31][32].
Did you analyze the whole spectrum and context of the Jewish Palestine comment made by him (Marc) before you posted your answer?For some reason, if you meet with Minister Farrakhan and you don’t throw him away wholesale, then you’re castigated in a way that doesn’t happen with anybody else. Why is only one set of people untouchable? And why does every black leader have to ritually denounce Farrakhan in order to sustain a position? That doesn’t happen to anyone else.[4 I copied these two responses from Marc from Wikipedia.
I am asking you the same question for this statement that he made. Before you respond with talking points check your facts. There doesn’t seem to be any originality in your response either, you seem to be an echo of the main stream as to what your is saying. If you listen to Marc along with the questions he asks the the people he brings (invites) on his show, then that should be very telling of the kind of brother Marc is, smart n fair.. Be well.
“Furthering the respectful dialogue of our people”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
It should be pointed out that the 1619 Project is full of historical inaccuracies and criticized by both liberal and conservative historians for those inaccuracies. So, denying her tenure is not based solely on politics.
It's amazing this channel has so few subscribers. The content is excellent and it should be passed on to others.
Well... It's like black supremacist public access TV so it's not surprising it doesn't have that many subscribers.
Mr.Lamont can we get a longer conversation next time...this was a mutually respectful chat. I'd love to see a discussion with you, Prof.Lourey, Mr.Rufo...and a few others. No points no gotcha..just a real damn conversation. I'd pay money and take notes.
I really loved this conversation! The professor made some great points!
The professor is a part of the get along gang and want to have it both ways let take racist talk out of it and pretend it doesn't exist because if we make it about racism and color the racist will continue to push back and we cant move forward progressively but that talking point is dead on arrival because you are trying to make a deal with those who operate from a dark world in an satonic realm it will never not see color as a reason to treat anyone of color inhumanely. Lets be real brother since the beginning we have had to deal with racism and have tried everything at our disposal to be the bigger person and try reason with those who hate colored people. In conclusion their is no fix without completer support and complete acknowledgement and complete repentance from the oppressors.
@@mr.d3884 pray for focus, brother. You’re all over the place.
@@listener84 nice try typical response by someone who has no rebuttal for an intellectual common sense opinion
@@mr.d3884 focus
@@mr.d3884 they love framing the conversation this way as progress when it's really about acquiescing to the confederate loyalists that have been pushing racist policy in our government since the physical civil war ended
I call that a good faith conversation with two people who who have two different paradigms through which they view politics and culture.
Loury was incredibly patient.
Glenn @1:35 quickly clearing up Marc's purposeful pretense that CRT only references the CRT classes taught in Graduate School...
When black & white groups exhibit the same social norms, 2 parent, attentive, households, are accounted for, when looking for solutions are accounted for, the disparities almost disappear. We need to grapple with this.
@Aaron Hackett but it 100% true tho... a child born to a black married couple will have a 89% chance of reaching middle class status when they growth up regardless of what neighborhood they growth up in. a child born to single parent will only have a 26% chance of reaching middle class status.
A single white female led household has twice the wealth of a two parent black household.
Thank you for inviting this wise man!
To me, colorblindness doesn't mean "not seeing color". To me, it means seeing color and not caring.
That was nice dialogue. Thank you professors. I think you both made very intelligent remarks. Proud of you both.
15:38 Goodness that is disingenuous, Professor Lamont! The disagreement is on concrete foundational facts underpinning The 1619 Project not ideological.
What foundational facts are disagreeable?
@@marcusdarden1535 "That the patriots fought the American Revolution in large part to preserve slavery in North America. www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248
One of the main tenants of the 1619 project is that America was founded in 1619 when the first slaves arrived. Obviously technically wrong, their point was that is what the "heart" of America is. The premise being America was born racist and continues to be a racist nation at its heart.
@@chrisb1805 This is the new McCarthyism (1950-1954). It will destroy the people who don't confess their participation/"crimes" as well as being willing to undergo re-education. McCarthyism - a vociferous campaign against alleged communists in the US government and other institutions carried out under Senator Joseph McCarthy in the period 1950-54. Many of the accused were blacklisted or lost their jobs, although most did not in fact belong to the Communist Party. (MS Bing Dictionary).
By some surveys, 80% of inmates did not have a father in the home growing up. How about starting there?
The DNC/Soros don't want that to happen. That would empower the little people.
Hats off to Marc for having Glenn on. Colorblindness should be the goal. Fixation on color is counterproductive.
Dr Lamont, It's hard for me to be open minded when I am constantly being held accountable for things I have never done. Is it unwise or unfair to avoid people that wish to harm me?
Hmm. Ponder to your logic.
"Slavery was bad". - "Yes everyone agrees with that already." - "But it has effects today!!" - "Okay well my ancestors were Barbary slaves taken by Turkey in the late 1700's, does Turkey owe me something today?" - "......malfunction malfunction"
Wait wait, you
Mean to tell me more than 1 group of people were enslaved over 150 years ago?! Funny how no one wants to talk about that 😂😂
Does the country of Turkey oppress or discriminate against you today? Start your analysis there.
@@dr.edwardrsmith5855 No and we don't oppress or discriminate against american blacks. This is patently clear. It is completely mainstream to prop up BLM, affirmative action, financial programs for black business owners. There already *have* been tons of forms of reparations over the last four decades, people just don't want to admit it. They tend to think of reparations as just depositing X amount of money into people's bank accounts. And by the way, I can use the same argument they often do: Maybe I'm not oppressed by Turkey today, but my ancestor's enslavement set me back generationally and I'm behind in the race today as a result.
@@dr.edwardrsmith5855 The only thing oppressing you today is the space between your two ears, Doctor.
@@americandirt7834 Clearly you missed the point. I never said or felt oppressed by anyone, least of all by a limited white boy like you. Turn on Fox/Faux Views.news and let your brain atrophy some more.
One can only imagine the profound disgust and grief Native Americans must feel observing the modern madness of race/identity politics when measured against their plight.
Glenn Loury brought me in. A well cultured intellect with societal concerns.
Race is part of our humanity. How we act and react to it is the problem.
Tell that to all of us that don’t have a identifiable race because we are hyper-mixed. The problem is that some people believe they are pure blooded and act and react like their race is solely victim or oppressor. When in truth race doesn’t decide if you are either.
@@rodgrey1989 By "some" I'm guessing you mean very, VERY few. This isn't Harry Potter. There isn't an army of Voldemort's looking to preserve magical, pure, blood and destroy the muggle borns. Are there a few whackos out there? Absolutely. Enough to focus on them? Not even close. I'm sure you can find people who believe little fairies with miniature blow torches dwell in their toasters arms that's how their Bagels get warm. Doesn't mean we should start some movement to intercept their crazy thoughts from emerging in any form. You laugh and carry on.
Lol, absolutely not, race is a European fiction y'all learned to love.
@@tmsphere who is yall?
"Ok, that's good" love Glenn Loury
Glenn Loury: "My deep black voice helps White people feel safe."
You can't leave race out of a conversation about a subject in which race is such a big factor.
This whole "Black News" thing is bothering me, man. And I am f%%king black. It's just over the top, tacky, and unnecessary.
Can you imagine a white news channel? That's what bugs me too.
about 12:30 in, Marc discusses how in the 80's & 90's cancel culture came from the right, and he's right to a degree, it's the reason that I voted Democrat and was more considered a liberal then, but now the authoritarians are mostly on the Left, almost exclusively, but I rejected it then, and I reject it now. Cancelling people in this manner and anti free speech policies is something I am ALWAYS against, no matter which side it's coming from
Wow. Was Glen every holding back. I would’ve liked him to let loose more.
Kudos to the host for having him on. That took some integrity.
Loury basically says at 2:30 that fair critics of critical race theory don't want it taught that the nation is fundamentally racist and have a disregard for Black lives. He went on to say that "yes we have had problems with the past, but....". This little subtle way of putting it - saying "in the past" and not stressing that there is still a significant problem with these things, is an addition problem in itself. The telling thing for me in Conservative's criticism of liberal culture, policies, and rhetoric, is that their response to it, is so often geared more to the defense of the American ideal and conservative philosophy, and not to a genuine solution to problems. Loury said "too many people" are imprisoned in the U.S. - not just Black people. He and of course other Conservatives say that more non-Black people are killed by law enforcement than are Black people, but Conservatives don't see the numbers as a problem worthy of addressing, if Black people don't make it an issue, let alone work to solve the problem. The say they value law and order, but how much evidence over decades, of police corruption, as well as abuse of power, must they see, for them to admit that there is a significant problem that needs fixing? The 'order' part they will insist on maintaining, but the 'law' part of it is arbitrary.
In terms of teaching the history of the country and racism, an acknowledge of the the two realities of what America is, must be acknowledged. America will never be seen the same by all people. Indigenous Americans will view it from a different perspective than White, and African-Americans, and African-Americans don't view it the same way as Whites, and of course, even within those groups, individuals will view it from their own personal perspective.
The "American Creed' that proclaims it's virtuous intent, is contradicted by the country's history of elitism, exclusivity, deceit, and inhumanity. Conservatives can do all the logical gymnastics they want, but that the country is near the brink of civil war or disintegration, may be the starkest proof that it was not created in a fair/just manner. All the high ideals it proclaimed from the beginning, were selectively/arbitrarily applied. Indivisibility was always trumped by otherism. The exceptionalism that is spoken about today, was always a problem. If it was not 'White' that made you better or more worthy, it was 'might' that did. It was spiritualized, in the creation of the concept of 'Manifest Destiny'.
The Loury's of the world have valid criticisms of the 'Left' but I wish they were more critical of the fundamental wrongs and flaws of the Nation and it's functioning, that Conservatives/Republicans perpetuate, and that they will even admit to existing, when pressed to.
Prof. Loury gives brilliant and balanced perspectives.
Black ppl want better for those that come after us...he is giving a Balanced take on how ppl can be free in society and it is akin to what white men say to hold onto power.
We are different and ppl shouldn't be hurt or mistreated for it. It's still happening and it happens b/c the ppl who made the rules didn't care to be decent human beings.
When he is not being paid by White folks to spin a narrative, I agree.
anybody who disagrees w you is secretly paid by david duke i see.
@@marcusdarden1535 He's mature. Try listening
@@edwinamendelssohn5129 to who?
Cancel culture is much more powerful today than MLHs examples - social media and the internet changed everything
Yup. They have virtually managed to silence old Donnie boy. I'm not a fan of his but these corporations can damn near silence a former president entirely. If they were ran by left leaning people I think Marc would see it as a real problem.
Cancellation is not accountability. Being held accountable has room to accept that one has done something wrong and includes forgiveness. To deny there is censorship or cancelling if the right is just dishonest
As a chicano in San Antonio who can only relate so much, this was a fantastic conversation
Relate to who? The cry babies?
It's the angry young reactionary buck vs the wiser, more enlightened older sage. As old as time.
Bless you for having these convos Hill, subscribed
Dr. Hill, you are awesome. I come to this video more in agreement with Dr. Loury, but leave with some food for thought that pushes against what I already accept as true. You're an excellent host, you exude integrity and erudition, and I look forward to watching more videos from your program!
He’s usually not like that, but Glenn was here, which changed his behavior. LOL. He’s very good on camera though. When people go on Joy Reid, it’s totally unprofessional. It’s like a mosh pit of stupidity.
Maybe Nicole Hannah Jones is just being held accountable for her historical inaccurate expose?
“Ok, that’s good.” Lol
I noticed that! A little weird but overall awesome conversation. Marc's question before the break really made me pause and think. He's a great exponent of his point of view.
When we realize that the issue is trauma & not race, only then can there be healing. Everyone has the power to overcome their particular circumstances provided the opportunity & a safe environment. The home is where it starts. Our children should never be burdened with any built-in guilt or deficiency.
Trauma caused by racial strife.
@@arontotheleft poverty, fatherless homes, addiction & abuse know no race.
@@TransfixusNonMortuus Sure, but in the US it's those things are compounded by racists policies such as redlining and the war on drugs. Ignoring context allows you make such a statement, and that's what Hill suggests. Even Dr. Loury agrees him, but to a lesser degree.
@@arontotheleft I hope you find different tools to work with instead of just a hammer. God bless.
@@TransfixusNonMortuus I hope you read the numerous studies that support my point instead of speaking in abstracts with no connection to the world we actually live in. Also, thanks for the god bless, even though there is no god, God, or gods.
love Glen Loury, one of my favorite commenters on this subject.
I was expecting a fight and what I saw was an altercation during a weigh-in, in boxing terms.
Credit to Marc for not being obnoxious and not pushing mute button as he does to other opponents. At least he still knows how to respect older colleagues.
There is not much they've discussed since Marc spread his questions too broadly, barely giving Glenn time to formulate his position. E.g. Glenn and John have discussed Hannah-Jones at much greater length in their recent dialogue and I expected Marc to also get into the question of WHY Hannah-Jones' work at 1619 could be considered questionable and influence her tenure decision.
Huge fan of Glenn. Certainly more reserved than normal. Mark is less antagonistic than normal. I’ll accept it for now if it moves us forward
I noticed that too. Both were more cordial, but that's good if it fosters a willingness to consider each other's broader view. From there they can dig in and get into the meat of topics going forward.
@@yankeefederer1994 Exactly. You don’t know how glad I am to hear a logical, measured, common sense reply on RUclips😂😂😂😂Thanks
@@freeindeed8416 I don't know you as a person or your worldview, but those shouldn't be the factors that determine my behavior. We should all be as charitable in spirit towards other people as possible, especially when times are tough. Cheers!
Our people ???? This is why you are still where you are in terms of race relations . I thought we were all Americans. And i agree with his guest
The issue is the current cancel culture is targeting anyone not on the left. Libertarians are getting demolished as well. This is not just the right getting canceled now.
Glenn Loury is a grown man dealing with a child
@Olukun Depths he's wrong and no one said or is trying to erase mine or your ethnicity......he is wrong because all he does is play the victim and wants all so called AA to do the same
@Olukun Depths Mr. hill has been spewing this stuff since the 2000s, he’s indoctrinated
@Olukun Depths i don’t think anyone would disagree with that
That's not dismissive of Hill's extensive list of credentials at all
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@@jlnxn5374 if you don't disagree that racism is an issue, then what "stuff" is Hill "spewing" that you disagree with?