Chon Gamed the System and got Screwed
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Man, this is so sad. I think the CHON fanbase in general suspected the band was getting the short end of the stick, but they consistently came out with killer albums and played a ton of shows so nobody could really tell what was going on behind the scenes. Having unexpected cameos like Mario playing with Mouse on the Keys or Kenny G. live with the band really shows that they're universally respected by everyone except their own label.
I have been a big fan of chon since 2013 I really thought they were very doing well financially through the tours, merchant, record sales. I figured I’d be envious of what they were making tbh they are really popular
I heard Squidward also played with them a few times
The reason Chon toured with all of these bands has nothing to do with heaviness or whatever. They're progressive and talented as fuck. That's all there is to it. They attract musicians.
When Chon toured with BTBAM, that was weird af. Since Chon doesn't even fucking sing. So yeah your point is taken 👌
@@iassessyou3285 You sound dumb as hell.
@@iassessyou3285 how is it weird? Btbam has toured with animals as leaders, plini, intervals and polyphia. I just saw btbam tour with trivium. That was weird to me
I thought this comment said they attract mustaches
5:00 you’re welcome.
I have spent hundreds of dollars on Chon merch and none of that goes to them? Breaks my heart. 💔
Exactly, it’s a shame.
Yeh it was merchandise that filled the pockets but it’s kinda gone back to the gigs you do.
Jesse from Killswitch Engage was talking about this on Rob Fylns (Machine Head) podcast.
IIRC, Brian is Nathan's teacher. That is why they have a studio drummer in Brian while Nathan gets up to speed on learning drums.
Oh wow! Thats actually really cool. So he’s almost like “the fifth member” of Chon.
@@GiorgiMatveev1 Brian Evans also wrote all the drum parts and has a huge part in writing songs in general for chon.
too bad Brian is an asshat. He's a great drummer, but he acts like a middle school girl on Instagram.
@@GiorgiMatveev1 He's also a super self righteous and delusional, I would take most of what he says with a grain of salt. The dude is unhinged. Great drummer though.
@@higler. he’s nuts 🤣 and he is good but I don’t like his style at all. Too ADHD for me 🤷♂️
This is so sad, and i can foresee some kind of comeback as well. They should totally have their own Neural DSP Plugins right now.
yes! please give me a chon neural dsp. although, they do have a pretty basic guitar tone so it could be difficult
@@willfowler8540 true
It doesnt suprise me that they play with all those bands... when chon 1st came out it was the MySpace days right at the height of deathcore.. i remember finding their ep back then and was blown away at how young their were and how good they were.. their older stuff was heavier too (still super upbeat tho) they started right when as animals as leaders and periphy were starting to get big.. so they kinda just fit right in with that crowd tbh.. i think from the beginning alot of the metal community of that era just accepted them as the little bros and thats why they are able to tour with random death metal bands for all these years
Im gonna support them as much as i can if they comeback, this is sooo unfortunate for them.
dude get to the point this could've been a two minute video
Agreed!
Yep
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one. I thought I was just being an ass when I thought "seriously dude you are just going to list every band they have ever toured with"
exactly. he did no editing
lol i turned it off when he said he didn’t know who jd beck and domi are
Thanks for being the person to cover this considering that so many people have no idea where they went or why they aren’t active online.
They should`ve just done what Miles Davis did when he literally spewed 5 rushed albums in a year just to get out of the record label contract.
Most Record Labels nowadays Make me sick.
I truly hope they will be a thing of the past in the future of music.
I also truly hope CHON will make music again.
They were by far the best band That shitty label ever had.
They need to hit up the dudes at Streetlight Manifesto for help in getting out of it.
What’s going on with Streetlight?
@@GiorgiMatveev1 A huge blowout with their old label Victory Records
i went to highschool with these guys. i feel like they definitely got taken advantage of. they just acted like these kids that avoided confrontation and acted like they could just avoid problems. i still rememeber Nathan the drummer threw a 10lb disc at a girl, and cut open her head. he just ran away and never apologized for his actions. to this day i feel like I and 2 other people witnessed what happened. 2 yrs later, they came to my ice cream shop i was working at and the order was roughly +$100. mind you, minimum wage was 8.50 in 2014. All i asked was some free merch next time we see each other (we live in the same city and we were all "homies"). they NEVER hooked it up with anything, and made some excuse every time i asked for a shirt when they had BOXES of them. My boss saw it on the cameras and reduced 100 off my paycheck. if they did this to me, a school friend, i cant imagine what other acts they did to others
Polyphia is the biggest math rock kinda band right now.
Yes they are! I just did a video talking about this exact thing! I would go a step further and say that they are the biggest instrumental guitar band right now.
But they're not math
how is coheed and Cambria/ chon a stretch to play together for you?! you have an odd take on music
Old coheed makes more sense.. modern pop punk coheed dosent make as much sense
They all have elements of prog, post hardcore, technical players, and awesome musicianship. That's how this all connects. They're not out of place anywhere. I would make every connection you said people wouldn't. Sick video though.
I played with CHON and Polyphia at a house show one time lol
Wow really? Was it like a party or something?
@@baraldobumpa3447 unofficial sxsw showcase
@@baraldobumpa3447 lots of mathrock bands that day, it was great
Cool man!
@@alexxartificial I was at that show! I remember the PA was really crappy lol
good thing they are young as fuck, im glad they are taking their time this time with whatever they are doing and hopefully theyll release something on their own to put them back on the map!
skip to 4:20 if u have things to do after this
They need a good agent who advocates for them and has a long view of their value and earning potential. Paying a % to a trusted agent who has their back is still far more financially lucrative for them than getting shafted by labels. And there's a financial incentive for the agent to land deals that are max payout with minimum strings attached. Win win on their side of the table.
CHON needs to not take this crap lying down and seize the reins of their careers and futures. I get the impression that they are all pretty chill dudes whose strength is music, not business. Hence the need for an agent.
If they already have one.... Fire that guy.
Great video! Chon are the best and it’s sad to hear this might be a reason why they’re not releasing music 🙁
(Probs look up the names of the people you’re talking about if you’re going to make an 11 minute video on a topic though)
No hate, just saying ✌🏻
All good! You’re absolutely right! ❤️❤️❤️
They bassist bro has big stage impact. They should tour again with the best playlist.
is it Esiah?
@@DomZone123 I think he's referring to the old bassist Drew. Esiah is very laid back, good bassist but I wouldn't say huge stage impact. I'm almost positive he's thinking of Drew pelisek.
@@the1trunawf801 ohh yeah the one who also did vocals on their Grow album
@@DomZone123 that's right. Esiah was the original bassist but left very early on in the career of CHON and then Drew stepped in to replace esiah. Eventually some years later Esiah rejoined the band following the departure of Drew.
ohhh i didn't know that. Well thanks for informing me!!
this is sad, i'm like polyphia is still going and thought where is chon?
I think his name is Brian Evans.
I don't know how much exposure they actually got from signing with Sumerian. Lot of people knew about them when they put that first EP out in the same way that Misha did in the early days with Periphery.
Erick from Chon said this isn't true on the Chon discord. So many people are revealing themselves to not be thorough Chon fans lol. I'm wondering if one of the problems they're dealing with is Brian Evans. He's going after Javier Reyes publicly rn over some dispute with the "super chon drums" sample pack they made when tracking the self titled. Brian says it's not about money, he just wants it to stop being sold, but I bet it's a royalty dispute. So I wouldn't be surprised if maybe starting in 2020 given the pandemic times were tough and he tried to renegotiate royalties or splitsheets for the Chon albums/merch, didn't get what he wanted, and is now somehow leveraging his weight in their contracts to prevent them from doing anything until he gets what he wants. He made a statement like "I shouldn't have to take my homies to court to get what I'm owed" in reference to the chon/sumerian drama he started. From 2020 to 2021 Mario and Erick were often saying they were working on the next album, then the radio silence, the hiatus announcement on the discord, and then the last message was Erick saying the stuff about their label Sumerian isn't true.
What about their signatures with Ibanez?? Does that count as merch sales too?!
I hope not, but who knows. If they are under a 360 deal, the label can take a portion of instrument sales.
Thank god for the fast forward button
They are worth another label buying out their contract. But Sumerian might not let them go. Being beholden to another label wouldn't be much better. But if a brave label cleared their balance sheet and made them a fair deal. All involved would make an incredible amount of money. Because they're established, solid fanbase and have relationships in the industry. Unfortunately, labels don't think this way anymore. They want you to be profitable immediately.
The name of the session drummer is Brian Evans. Maybe i'll get you in touch with him?
Little Tybee is fuckin awesome
Damn that's rough!
This isn't the first time I've seen this kinda stuff regarding bands going broke because of a record label and/or manager.
Great video as always bro!
Yeah! It’s a bummer.
Join their discord, they literally made statment saying the rumors about the record aren't true. They are just on hiatus right now
I do appreciate the in depth breakdown of how they're universally respected and sought after.. everyone saying he took forever but It helps to give that perspective on how there's the difference in fan base taste but behind the scenes there's different angles.
Thank you! I appreciate it!!
im gonna watch the whole video because i like where youre going with it but i have to chime in on this subject. The reason they can play with any band, especially the heavier ones, is because a lot of the fan bases are guitarist or appreciate the instrumental skills. Thats what links chon with these technical heavy bands.
i first discovered Chon on that Circa Survive/Thrice tour. was like who tf is this, and been listening since
they didnt game the system, they just have a diverse catalog. it happens
Thats so sad to hear, Chon is one of my favourite bands, if they were independent like Aaron with Intervals they would be making sooo much money... Guys listen to this new band named Shizzo its killer and super underrated they are dropping some real bangers
i love jd beck and domi and add chon to it. my god what a recipe for addiction :P
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Chon fits on tour with metal bands perfectly. Most metalheads LOVE chon. Chon themselves are metalheads. I’ve seen videos of erick playing shows wearing a necrophagist t-shirt. Yeah, their music might be clean and bubbly. But at the end of the day those guys are straight up metal players
Erick said the rumors about Sumerian aren't true (in Chon discord). That's really the only statement I'm aware of we've gotten from any of the official members. Much of what Brian Evans said doesn't seem too credible I wouldn't go off his information
nice job reading out their touring history with no context or point to be made
they gamed the system because they are progressive/mathy even though they are not distorted. sometimes that's all you need.
Yo chon themselves have confirmed this as completely untrue.
great video!
Thank you!
2 like 👍 wow so nice sharing friend please stay connected
Thank you so much ❤️
Yeah.. you reading off festival lineups for over two minutes without really making any point totally lost me. Probs prepare some talking points for yourself to actually keep to.
THESE PEOPLE DO NOT GET IT
"alot of after the burial fans might not listen to chon"
NIGAAAA all of them do ARE YOU SERIOUS
people really arent connected like youd hope 😭
What are you rattling on about? Anything can do anything with any other thing. Yes any band can play with any other band. Incoherent drivel.
Hopefully by now you know who Domi & JD Beck are, because you definitely should
I will definitely check them out! Thank you!
Right before CHON announced a tour with Tera Melos I said that’s who would go on that tour with them lol
If you enjoy instrumental and maybe prog in general maybe check out my album Omnipresence 🥺
fuck! :( Chon is my favourite band nowadays!
man that suucks.. i thought they were making a lot of money with how they sling their merch lol. Almost like a hypebeast brand lol, the quality looks great and theres so much of it. I was wondering what they're up to and this is why im here. sucks, im a fan, saw them with covet and kids love them, lot of following.. sad to hear. Hopefully they rise above this and sign up with a new better label.
domi and jd beck are the SHIT.
They didnt game anything I think they earned their reputation. This is a pretty mean title and its sumerian that needs to relinquish their hold on them and return their band to them.
It wasn’t meant as a dig. Chon gamed the system because they didn’t pigeon hole their audience in one particular sector. They can tour with death metal bands, indie bands, pop bands and it works. Bravo to them. I hope we get more Chon in the future ❤️
@@GiorgiMatveev1 sorry if I came off as rude I really just want chon back they skyrocketed to one of my favorite bands and now they are locked in this legislative hiatus
Lol, you said COVID instead of Covet
Man, that’s disappointing. Sumerian needs to make things right from the sound of it.
Lol u should check out domi and Jd !
I love Chon, I have seen them live a few times. They definitely need to get off of these metal bills, they would do better on a jam band tour or something. When BTBAM came on stage we left the room, I was like what is this demented circus music. I like them with other instrumental prog but their music is so beautiful and melodic it belongs with other uplifting styles.
BTBAM is the best band of all time
Karmic payback for firing Drew
LOL, the story goes that they had creative differences (Drew wanted to sing more) - imagine what CHON would be like with a dedicated frontman
Drew added nothing at all to the band, in my opinion. Actually detracted a bit.
I agree, no diss to Drew but Esiahs a better fit imo
Drew didnt even write his own bass parts lol mario and erick wrote them for him and he just played em
@@DaTLMusic damn bro really? never heard that before. like i have never once heard anyone say that. really though? i just haven't heard that from anyone. like i don't really hear that around you know what i mean? haven't heard that one.
Chon is amazing... but you can't expect them to make millions without hits. more cowbell maybe?
Domi and JD Beck are a jazz Lofi Hiphop duo. I recommend
talk about someone that doesnt even know fhe talkin about