I live in Canada. I have bought a set of CC2 and installed them on my M3 as soon as it was deliverd in January 2022. I sold the brand new all season tires to a BMW guy, it's the same size (18). Had a good deal on them. The Michelin are very nice, but because I have RWD, I rotated them at 10k. . I think they could last you 30k or even 40k, if you don't run your car like a racedriver. Really happy with them. They are very good on snow, but they are not as good as the regular snow tires, like 8/10. But it's good enough, so it's worth saving time and money to keep them all year long.
Tested were the cc2 against the new Pirelli weatheractive amongst others. The Pirelli came out on top and will be my choice next time i need tires + they dont have a side profile of an a/t tire
I used these on my last 2 cars and they were excellent in the cold - remember that summer/all-season tires become "plastic" below 7 degC, and the grip rapidly drops off way before you get frost. These have a much lower plastic temperature about -15 to -18C. So they were great in the cold/wet (UK weather), and the snow. I am waiting for my OEM fitted tires on my T3 to need replacing and I will fit these, than you very much about providing information on efficiency and noise.
Very informative Ian, thanks. I was pleasantly surprised at your findings re efficiency, removing my last mental hurdle about changing the OEM tyres early. Also agree re Pirelli, I had P Zeros on a car once and they were horrendous in the wet.
Great video, just a week too late! 😂 I couldn’t decide so renewed the Pilot Sport 4’s. The last set did nearly 30,000. I tend to summer road trips, and as I’m retired can choose to stay home if it snows. We live in NW England so that doesn’t happen that often. It’ll be good to see how you progress. Perhaps next time for me.
Great review, Ian! I live in New Hampshire, USA, and have been running these tires on my '21 M3SR+ LFP since early Spring, and I love them! Super grippy in all of the weather they've encountered so far. I'm about to embark on a 10,000-mile trips around the US In Oct/Nov, including some pretty high altitudes, so I expect to see some snow. At home, I use snow tires all Winter, but I'm betting that these CC2s will be just fine for my trip. We'll see!
I had an M3LR on standard hankook tyres, was pleasantly surprised at the handling and its ability to drive up a reasonable inclined, snow covered road without any issues. I’m sure the cross climate 2 will be great.
Really enjoying your videos, I'm just in the process of evaluating what EV to get, we've tested 7 now and having extended test drives over the next 4 days of our short list of 3, (Hyundai Ioniq5, Polestar 2 and the Model Y AWD) we originally weren't interested in the Tesla but chucked it in as a wildcard and it quickly jumped to our top two. I've had 2 sets of the original cross climates and 1 set of the climate 2"s on my previous Audi A4 3lt tdi Allroad and loved the originals, they gave so much grip and confidence in all weathers but unfortunately I didn't have the same when changing to the 2's, they just didn't give me the same feedback and confidence, I could easily get them to lose grip (in the dry) when booting it off roundabouts or quick junctions too which I didn't have on the originals, there was quite a difference in the tread pattern between the two versions so I guess there's more movement in the tread blocks on the 2's.
As an owner of a Model Y RWD SR equipped with the CrossCimate 2 I can tell, driving in snow is no problem. But only if you drive forward, backwards is horrible on snow.
But you don't go that far backwards! I've got a Model Y RWD coming and looking for some winter tyres as 3PMSF rated are mandatory in most of the European ski area's have you driven them much in the snow?
@@terrymackenzie6784 It doesn’t matter how far you have to drive backwards. It was a steep hilI, I parked the car. To get out of the parking lot I had to drive backwards and the tires had no grip at all. Other than that problem they are suitable for snow conditions. What I can’t tell is driving on ice but I think they are similar to a not so good winter tire. Ian’s impressions are spot on.
Thanks a lot Ian for all the informative videos! I have a question which I am hoping you can help me with. I am in the process of ordering the Michelin CC2 for my Model Y long range 2024 (rear wheel-new variant). I am a bit confused about the speed index as well as the load index.. for speed, in Germany you do get H and V and plus a Y variant as well. V being upto 240 km I think.. any advice is much appreciated!
Put these on my last car after slipping into a ditch one snowy day. Other than them being a little squidgy in summer these are awesome tyres 🛞. Last winter ❄️ i was testing my stopping ability on a compact snow/ice hill & expecting to slide 🛝 to the bottom but it didn’t, just stopped. Left some people bamboozled as I drove past them uphill where there cars couldn’t and second surprising time left an suv struggling to drive out of a snowy passing point down a country lane that i pulled away from with ease… as for every day driving these tyres feel exceptional in all weathers especially heavy rain on motorways 🛣️ gives that added confidence and i got over 40k miles before selling the car. Have put them on TM3sr+ about 1500miles ago my Wh/m went from 215 to 222 😭 it’s practically unnoticeable, they are slightly louder but i feel the ride is better. Cost around £500 for full set. Utilised 15% off flash sale black circles + manufacturers discount £50 through Tesla Owners club. 👋🏼
They had over 30k on them with about 10k left when I sold the Jaguar. Nothing is perfect, but with care I drove on ice and snow with no issues ... and at 145mph in Europe in warm weather - solid and stable
I had more pressure at these tyres in summer and they handled much better. Don't overdo it because you will get the opposite result. At my car the perfect grip at temps over 20°C was 36-38 psi up to 40 psi at temps close to 30°C. If you have higher temps, just change tyres. At these temps are like a wet soap on a tile, they get too hot to have any grip at all. But at temps like the ones in UK, -10 to +20 for most of the time these tyres are rocking. Play with the pressure at same air temps and you will see. If you can see the tyre temp in your car you will find the perfect spot much easier.
Hi Ian, fortunately hardly any snow here in Cornwall. I have 20" wheels on my Y LR. I got 20,000 miles out of the original set of Michelin Pilot Sports changing them front to back at about 12k. The second set I don't think will last more than 14,000 miles and changed them around at about 8k. I don't think I am driving it harder, 😜average 298wh/m as opposed to 304wh/m for the previous set and they are wearing evenly so don't suspect the tracking is out. Chinese made oem to European manufacture? Will be looking to replace them around October I reckon. £984 for a set last time, looks like a little cheaper this time if I stick to the same tyre, Hope this is helpful for anyone.
I live in the USA and I have 2023 model y that came with Continental procontact RX tires, rated 400, so far I reached max 229 kWh for 29k miles . I’m replacing these with cc2 also. I know they are noisy tire due to harder compounds and rough edges is where the whining noise is coming from. I’ll let you know when the tires arrive and what kind of kWh I’m getting with them
I’d definitely refer such footage to the police. I got an alert on my iPhone driving down the M40 telling me that an unidentified AirTag was moving with me. That got me concerned! Turns out it was a false alarm, my own AirTag somehow unpaired itself from my phone, but it makes me wander if this kind of trick is used by the “steal to order” industry.
would you go with aftermarket rims or bigger rims, im looking at swapping out my 19" factory-fitted gemini for some cross climate 2s and some bigger rims, 20" maybe...
I've just had my new 2nd hand Model 3 2021 long range. It has 97K mileage and it looks like the same Hankook tires on them, 235/40R19 would to me suggest 19" wheels, but when I measure across the alloy it reads 20" ????? I'm sure someone can put me right on that? Of course I can't comment on the stickiness of the tire yet, but judging by what has been said on the video they won't be great in the wet. However they do look like they won't last too much longer.
They are not perfect at any condition, they are very good at all conditions. Other tyres are perfect in the summer, but they suck at rain or cold temps even if it is dry. Winter tyres rock on snow and ice but suck at a warm spring day and long journey. These tyres are not 10/10 on something and 2/10 at something else, they are 7/10 everywhere, snow, ice, low temps, rain, dry, hot temps up to 30°C or even to 35°C for short runs, 10-20 miles.
I live in Canada. I have bought a set of CC2 and installed them on my M3 as soon as it was deliverd in January 2022. I sold the brand new all season tires to a BMW guy, it's the same size (18). Had a good deal on them.
The Michelin are very nice, but because I have RWD, I rotated them at 10k. . I think they could last you 30k or even 40k, if you don't run your car like a racedriver. Really happy with them.
They are very good on snow, but they are not as good as the regular snow tires, like 8/10. But it's good enough, so it's worth saving time and money to keep them all year long.
@@bytemark6508 I think the kicker is that what are they gunna be like in the snow after a year or two?! That's my only concern
Thanks for the video I'm looking for some winter tyres for skiing next season
Tested were the cc2 against the new Pirelli weatheractive amongst others. The Pirelli came out on top and will be my choice next time i need tires + they dont have a side profile of an a/t tire
I used these on my last 2 cars and they were excellent in the cold - remember that summer/all-season tires become "plastic" below 7 degC, and the grip rapidly drops off way before you get frost. These have a much lower plastic temperature about -15 to -18C. So they were great in the cold/wet (UK weather), and the snow.
I am waiting for my OEM fitted tires on my T3 to need replacing and I will fit these, than you very much about providing information on efficiency and noise.
Great news, glad the tyres are living up to expectations!
Very informative Ian, thanks. I was pleasantly surprised at your findings re efficiency, removing my last mental hurdle about changing the OEM tyres early. Also agree re Pirelli, I had P Zeros on a car once and they were horrendous in the wet.
Great video, just a week too late! 😂 I couldn’t decide so renewed the Pilot Sport 4’s. The last set did nearly 30,000. I tend to summer road trips, and as I’m retired can choose to stay home if it snows. We live in NW England so that doesn’t happen that often. It’ll be good to see how you progress. Perhaps next time for me.
Love my cross climates, fitted in March, 9000 mls on them, MG4 North Wales.
Thanks for a great video. We’ve been thinking about getting them for our model 3 dual motor.
Great review, Ian! I live in New Hampshire, USA, and have been running these tires on my '21 M3SR+ LFP since early Spring, and I love them! Super grippy in all of the weather they've encountered so far. I'm about to embark on a 10,000-mile trips around the US In Oct/Nov, including some pretty high altitudes, so I expect to see some snow. At home, I use snow tires all Winter, but I'm betting that these CC2s will be just fine for my trip. We'll see!
How do they look on 21s? Quite a chunky rubber pattern - how do they do that with so little sidewall?
@@justgetateslaThey look great! There’s a strong danger of curbing the wheels, though, as you mentioned.
I had an M3LR on standard hankook tyres, was pleasantly surprised at the handling and its ability to drive up a reasonable inclined, snow covered road without any issues.
I’m sure the cross climate 2 will be great.
Another great radio keep them coming
Really enjoying your videos, I'm just in the process of evaluating what EV to get, we've tested 7 now and having extended test drives over the next 4 days of our short list of 3, (Hyundai Ioniq5, Polestar 2 and the Model Y AWD) we originally weren't interested in the Tesla but chucked it in as a wildcard and it quickly jumped to our top two.
I've had 2 sets of the original cross climates and 1 set of the climate 2"s on my previous Audi A4 3lt tdi Allroad and loved the originals, they gave so much grip and confidence in all weathers but unfortunately I didn't have the same when changing to the 2's, they just didn't give me the same feedback and confidence, I could easily get them to lose grip (in the dry) when booting it off roundabouts or quick junctions too which I didn't have on the originals, there was quite a difference in the tread pattern between the two versions so I guess there's more movement in the tread blocks on the 2's.
As an owner of a Model Y RWD SR equipped with the CrossCimate 2 I can tell, driving in snow is no problem. But only if you drive forward, backwards is horrible on snow.
But you don't go that far backwards! I've got a Model Y RWD coming and looking for some winter tyres as 3PMSF rated are mandatory in most of the European ski area's have you driven them much in the snow?
@@terrymackenzie6784 It doesn’t matter how far you have to drive backwards. It was a steep hilI, I parked the car. To get out of the parking lot I had to drive backwards and the tires had no grip at all. Other than that problem they are suitable for snow conditions. What I can’t tell is driving on ice but I think they are similar to a not so good winter tire. Ian’s impressions are spot on.
Thanks a lot Ian for all the informative videos! I have a question which I am hoping you can help me with. I am in the process of ordering the Michelin CC2 for my Model Y long range 2024 (rear wheel-new variant). I am a bit confused about the speed index as well as the load index.. for speed, in Germany you do get H and V and plus a Y variant as well. V being upto 240 km I think.. any advice is much appreciated!
Put these on my last car after slipping into a ditch one snowy day. Other than them being a little squidgy in summer these are awesome tyres 🛞. Last winter ❄️ i was testing my stopping ability on a compact snow/ice hill & expecting to slide 🛝 to the bottom but it didn’t, just stopped. Left some people bamboozled as I drove past them uphill where there cars couldn’t and second surprising time left an suv struggling to drive out of a snowy passing point down a country lane that i pulled away from with ease… as for every day driving these tyres feel exceptional in all weathers especially heavy rain on motorways 🛣️ gives that added confidence and i got over 40k miles before selling the car. Have put them on TM3sr+ about 1500miles ago my Wh/m went from 215 to 222 😭 it’s practically unnoticeable, they are slightly louder but i feel the ride is better. Cost around £500 for full set. Utilised 15% off flash sale black circles + manufacturers discount £50 through Tesla Owners club. 👋🏼
You’ll love them when it gets cold and wet. They feel more sure footed than summer tyres in winter as don’t harden up.
They had over 30k on them with about 10k left when I sold the Jaguar. Nothing is perfect, but with care I drove on ice and snow with no issues ... and at 145mph in Europe in warm weather - solid and stable
I had more pressure at these tyres in summer and they handled much better. Don't overdo it because you will get the opposite result. At my car the perfect grip at temps over 20°C was 36-38 psi up to 40 psi at temps close to 30°C. If you have higher temps, just change tyres. At these temps are like a wet soap on a tile, they get too hot to have any grip at all. But at temps like the ones in UK, -10 to +20 for most of the time these tyres are rocking. Play with the pressure at same air temps and you will see. If you can see the tyre temp in your car you will find the perfect spot much easier.
How many miles did you get out of your original Hancocks? And were they down to the legal limit when you changed?
I think about 32k and still had wear left on the rears. I did a video about it if you have a look
Hi Ian, fortunately hardly any snow here in Cornwall. I have 20" wheels on my Y LR. I got 20,000 miles out of the original set of Michelin Pilot Sports changing them front to back at about 12k. The second set I don't think will last more than 14,000 miles and changed them around at about 8k. I don't think I am driving it harder, 😜average 298wh/m as opposed to 304wh/m for the previous set and they are wearing evenly so don't suspect the tracking is out. Chinese made oem to European manufacture?
Will be looking to replace them around October I reckon. £984 for a set last time, looks like a little cheaper this time if I stick to the same tyre, Hope this is helpful for anyone.
Thanks!
Nice one!
I live in the USA and I have 2023 model y that came with Continental procontact RX tires, rated 400, so far I reached max 229 kWh for 29k miles . I’m replacing these with cc2 also. I know they are noisy tire due to harder compounds and rough edges is where the whining noise is coming from. I’ll let you know when the tires arrive and what kind of kWh I’m getting with them
waiting to hear from you on CC2 noise and kWh experience
I prefer wintertyres and summertyres separatly so every six months you have an inspection of them
Imaging coming back to your car and sentry alerts for someone touching your tyres though ha.
It’s a pool car for test drives. I wouldn’t have done it to a private car
I’d definitely refer such footage to the police. I got an alert on my iPhone driving down the M40 telling me that an unidentified AirTag was moving with me. That got me concerned! Turns out it was a false alarm, my own AirTag somehow unpaired itself from my phone, but it makes me wander if this kind of trick is used by the “steal to order” industry.
would you go with aftermarket rims or bigger rims, im looking at swapping out my 19" factory-fitted gemini for some cross climate 2s and some bigger rims, 20" maybe...
Personally I prefer smaller wheels
Do you have a plan for rotating them? 😉
No! But I probably should do, maybe on 10k
Do you run the CC2 in All Season or Winter Tire mode in Tesla Model Y Settings?
They’re an all season tyre, so…
Pirelli ditch finders 😂😂.
That's why I can't wait to get my bike onto real rubber.
Yep. Pirelli bloody ditchfinders. P6000, PZero. All shite
Did you notice any drop in range with these tires?
No more than 10%
I've just had my new 2nd hand Model 3 2021 long range. It has 97K mileage and it looks like the same Hankook tires on them, 235/40R19 would to me suggest 19" wheels, but when I measure across the alloy it reads 20" ????? I'm sure someone can put me right on that?
Of course I can't comment on the stickiness of the tire yet, but judging by what has been said on the video they won't be great in the wet. However they do look like they won't last too much longer.
They are not perfect at any condition, they are very good at all conditions. Other tyres are perfect in the summer, but they suck at rain or cold temps even if it is dry. Winter tyres rock on snow and ice but suck at a warm spring day and long journey. These tyres are not 10/10 on something and 2/10 at something else, they are 7/10 everywhere, snow, ice, low temps, rain, dry, hot temps up to 30°C or even to 35°C for short runs, 10-20 miles.
I have a set of Goodyear Allseason and they are fine . Are Michelin better ?
I haven’t had the Goodyears. But the general consensus on various Tesla groups does favour Michelin
I put them on my 07 shitbox jeep lmao. 😅 Idc what my car looks like, i just want reliable tires
The versions in Europe and the US are different.