Nascar 2003 is regarded as the best nascar game ever made, its a predecessor to iRacing and its highly moddable to the point anyone can have fun with it, you can play with literally anything: Keyboard, wheel, controller. Its just one of the greatest and i hoped it was top 50 atleast
I agree that it's one of the best NASCAR games ever made. But I think it's more important to note that NASCAR 2003 is really the best NASCAR SIMULATION ever made. I think as far as console video games go there are some better than it that don't try to be simulators.
On the same vibe, F1 Challenge 99-02 plays the same role with F1 imo, it's highly moddable to the point I've raced Indycars, F1 cars from pretty much any era, the Aussie V8 Supercars, Porsche Cup and even DTM lmao
I was about to say. Nascar Racing 2003 is made by Papyrus, what more should be said ? Purest simulation of Nascar, ever. Eden, you HAVE to give it a go. True, Nascar Racing 4 is just an "update". But isn't there stupid F1 game every year (getting worse every time) ?
Summarizes for this review 1. Eden confusion about those Sports racing game like NASCAR 2. Seeing those Skill Issue Mobile Racing Game 3. DISGRACEFULness of those mobile unrelated racing game above the GT4 It just blew my mind
I remember watching the ORIGINAL Smuggle Truck gameplay with actual humans in the news Primer Impacto. I might be wrong and could've been a different game because it changed so much compared to my memories?
The first Gran Turismo was a REVOLUTION for the racing genre. There's a teason it states on the back of the jewel case "the game by which all future racing games will be judged against".
I think the problem of using metacritic is they averages the review score. So using this system a game that got 9s from a dozen reviewer will technically be better scored than a game that got even 8/9 from hundreds of reviewer. Hence, that's why some amazing but more mainstream games didn't make it to top 100. Edit: I suggest if u're really gonna do a round 2, use different site, sadly i dont know either if there's a specific site for this (something like Rate Your Music for music)
The other thing you have to realize is that a lot of the reviews are from when the games released. You can't rate one game knowing how well the future games are gonna do. Even though GT4 is commonly considered better than GT1, you have to remember that the reviews are for when the game released.
Glitchwave is literally Rate Your Music for games, the direct counterpart using RYM accounts and such. It’s quite jank at this point but the charts are working and fairly populated.
@@Crash_Knight This, games are rated based upon their release and its release state. Not the current state of the game. GT1, 2, and 3 were fantastic games. And while I do like GT4, that game does have quite a few issues and is far from perfect just like how GT3 lacked cars but made up for it with the physics model and being extremely detailed.
It's a crime against humanity that Gran Turismo 4 is only 52nd and the reviews from that game made me want to scratch my eyeballs out, disgusting Metacritic users
@@notsoracistraspberry4168 Probably because management forced him to. Back then, community backlash against these kinds of reviews weren't as harsh as they are now. So quality control for reviewers was non-existent.
Dustin NASCAR 2003 is an ageless NASCAR game, there are tons of active communities due to endless mods and the ability to basically change everything in the game
I find that Metacritic’s aggregate scoring system works best when you’re looking up games for specific consoles, the reviewer scores make way more sense in that context. (in addition to what Dustin says about contextualizing the reviews for games that came out when the game where new.) Shame that after all these years the website doesn’t have better filtering options. It’s hysterical that when you search by genre they have games and DLC lumped In together like they’re the same.
I would like to say for NASCAR games, personally I think the fun comes from having to navigate through a huge crowd of cars. I think that's sort of why you might not get that from NASCAR tracks on stuff like GT4 with it's like.. 6-car races. 6 cars, by the way, that may be way different in performance and so create these huge gaps of nothing (opposite of fun in a NASCAR game). NASCAR cars usually have very similar performances, which causes them to bunch up and reduces the chances of creating big gaps. That, and the huge driver list makes for a great spectacle. I've been having a lot of fun navigating 40-car mazes around speedways, slowly wrestling my way towards the front of the pack. Poking and prodding, using gaps when I can find them and creating gaps when I can't. The most fun I've had is when I crank up the number of CPUs to a huge number, like 90. Then I really have to be careful, making sure I don't cause a massive pile-up while keeping my aggression as high as possible. That sort of feeling gets amplified in the cockpit view, since you can't entirely tell how close you are to the car(s) next to you. Most NASCAR games have a radio spotter that tells you if there are other cars next to you, and where they are. It's kinda like being stuck in a high-speed highway traffic jam, and everyone is tailgating everyone else. How American.
I grew up with my grandfather buying me every single mainline Nascar game since the PS2's release for Christmas. My dad bought Dirt to Daytona, the PC titles and all other racing games. I am one of you fam!!! You have had to be there, play them and know the differences to actually know. Big part of my childhood
41:49 Fun fact: This game was originally meant to be an NFS game for the N64. That's why it has classic NFS-style physics. Around the time of development, EA actually partnered with the devs on this game to make an NFS entry to the Nintendo 64. It was cancelled tho, due to EA signing a deal with VW to make a game only with the Beetle. This would eventually make it what it is.
36:48 First of all Eden: NASCAR games have different driving models. I played NASCAR Racing 2003 Season, NASCAR 09, NASCAR 15, NASCAR Heat 2 and NASCAR heat 5. Each and every single one of them had a different driving model and different physics.
@@raulins100 NASCAR Thunder 2004 and NASCAR 2005 Chase for the Cup are still the gold standard for NASCAR console game handling, perfect balance of realism and fun
So to try and explain the differences between the Nascar games. (Sorry in advance if this gets a bit wordy)... Nascar Racing 4/Nascar Racing 2001 Season/Nascar Racing 2003 Season: These were all hardcore racing sims made by a company called Papyrus that have a HUGE following today. The most notable one was Nascar Racing 2003 Season. That one still has an insane modding community today that keeps the game running on modern systems, updated to work with modern wheels, and updated to newer cars and rosters. As some others have said, as well, it was actually the handling model that was taken to be used for iRacing, and it shows in a good way. None of the three really stand out as radically different from the other (At least to my knowledge. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) but They're very historically important games that developed simracing as a whole. Nascar 2004 Thunder: The reason a lot of people (myself included) list this one as the GOAT for Nascar games is just because of the massive load of content they throw out at you. Unlockables, such as secret tracks, secret drivers, secret liveries. The fictional tracks are insane in the best of ways, there's all sorts of game modes from a license mode to teach you each of the individual tracks (you'd be SURPRISED how different Nascar ovals can be when you really dig into it) and a scenario mode where you redo pivotal races in the last few years. The big big BIG thing about it was the career mode. There was so much depth to the career mode that it wasn't even funny. You individually hire every member of your team from tire changers to engineers, have them build, tune, and overhaul the engines and frames and bodies of the cars, manage your sponsors, deal with a ally/enemy system where you can actually piss other drivers off to the point where they'll go out of their way to take you out later in the season. It was just so rich with content it didn't feel like a yearly release game, and that's not something you can really properly convey with a little preview video. If you ever, EVER decide to try out a Nascar game. I promise you, this is the one to go for. I will wager my left testicle on it. If you play the game and don't like it, I will slice it off with a pair of pliers and mail it to you in a little box preserved in formaldehyde to make a little necklace out of. Nascar 2005 Chase for the Cup: This one is still popular for other reasons. Like you saw...the career literally starts with you street racing a Nascar driver and getting hired into a team of his. It removes a lot of the depth but adds other smaller series in Nascar that you have to work your way up through. There's side events as well with you doing races in other street cars to unlock them, doing charity races, stuff like that. They did cut a lot of other content to make room for that, though (such as the career mode being a LOT more simplistic where you just buy points on a bar to upgrade your crew and car and nothing else), but it's still a favorite to a lot of players just because it was so radically different. ...Also as a COMPLETELY UNRELATED aside, since you mentioned thinking that Diddy Kong Racing didn't look like it aged well, I can assure you it has. The handling does take a bit of getting used to, but I literally just replayed through the game for the first time in, like...ten years early this year, and I still tout it as the best kart racer of all time (and this is coming from someone that HATES most kart racers) It's a lot more skill-based than something like Mario Kart. Items aren't randomized. If there's rubberbanding, then it wasn't enough that I openly noticed it. And there's enough little tech to keep you really engaged on learning the tracks and the driving. It's also packing a really good single player so if you want one that you don't need friends to enjoy, there you go. Just wanted to gush about that game for a bit since I love DKR to death and would stab a man in broad daylight to see kart racers nowadays play more like it.
Hey, just wanted to know, can I play Thunder 2004 if I'm not American and don't know shit about Nascar? Will or actually be playable? And also, which version of DKR you'd say is the best?
*SPOILER ALERT* EDIT: I highly recommend watching through the video as it's really worth watching from start to finish The time stamps of all the games "ranked" by "metacritic" aka kiss my ass 1:26 HONORABLE MENTIONS 1:29 F1 2019 for the PC 1:38 AG drive 1:48 Forza horizon 3: hot wheels 2:12 GRID for the 360 2:35 MotoGP 2 2:54 THE TOP 100 2:58 Forza horizon 3: Blizzard mountain 3:41 DiRT 2 for the 360 4:16 3D out run 5:18 Wipeout HD for the PS3 5:44 Colin McRae Rally 04 6:15 Grand Prix 03 6:51 NASCAR 05: Chase for the cup 7:31 DiRT 2 for the PS3 7:47 Forza Motorsport 6 8:10 Rallisport Challenge 9:04 Mario Kart: double dash 9:42 Mario Kart 8 DLC pack 1 10:12 DiRT 3 for the 360 10:49 DiRT 3 Again but for the PS3 11:02 GT7 LLLLLLLLL 11:37 GRID for the PC WWWWWWWW 12:10 Burnout Paradise: TUB 13:04 Metropolis Street Racer 13:40 Midnight Club 3: -Skill issue- DUB edition Remix for the Xbox 14:17 Rallisport challenge 2 14:52 NFS shift for the Ipad (WHO?!) 16:18 GRID for the PS3 16:29 Burnout Paradise for the PS3 16:55 Motorsport Manager Mobile 3 17:36 F1 2021 YET ANOTHER L 18:25 TOP 75 18:26 Forza Horizon 4 18:56 Ridge Racer for the PSP 19:44 NFS hot pursuit 2010 for the 360 20:18 NASCAR thunder 2004 20:53 Burnout 2 POI 21:20 WHO'S JOE?! 22:13 F1 2020 (nice) 22:38 F1 2002 23:11 Real Racing "HD" 23:57 Project Gotham Racing 3 24:40 Drawrace 2 (WHO?!) 25:53 Riptide GP: renegade 26:43 Diddy Kong racing 27:10 Mario Kart 8 27:41 Superbike 2001 28:24 Horizon chase - world tour 28:48 Crash team racing 29:23 R4: Ridge racer type 4 29:55 Excitebike 64 30:24 JOE DANGER 30:36 Wipeout Pure 30:59 Burnout paradise for the 360 31:40 DiRT 2 for the PC 32:14 alright this list is 100% invalid now (this bit gets hilarious with the critic comments. ACTUAL NPCS 😭😭💀) 35:28 Massive L not even gonna mention these next games till we get a W 35:56 Massive L 36:30 TOP 50 36:33 Massive L- actually this isn't bad 37:06 There you go Massive W Burnout 2 POI for the gamecube 37:27 Sonic & SEGA all stars racing 38:04 NASCAR Racing 4 38:15 Burnout Revenge for the 360 38:54 NFS hot pursuit 2 for the PS2 39:28 Inertial drift 39:58 F-zero GX 40:27 NFS hot pursuit 2010 for the PS3 40:42 NASCAR Racing 2002 season 40:52 F1 2017 40:58 F1 2019 for the xbox 41:08 Wipeout 3 CAN'T SPELL WIPEOUT WITHOUT W 41:26 Burnout revenge for the Xbox 41:38 Wipeout HD fury 41:49 Beetle Adventure Racing (WHO?!) 42:38 GTR 2 43:14 Colin McRae Rally 2.0 43:23 Forza Motorsport 2 44:03 Spoke a bit too early there lmao 44:20 Burnout Revenge for the PS2 44:50 GRID Autosport L 46:15 Trials Evolution 46:38 Project Gotham Racing 2 47:15 TOP 25 47:19 Mario Kart DS 47:49 F1 2020 SAME GAME BUT FOR THE XBOX LLLLLLL 48:03 Forza motorsport 4 MASSIVE W 48:45 AIGHT NOW THIS LIST IS 1000% INVALID 🗣️🗣️ 49:18 Forza horizon 3 back to the W's again 49:47 Asphalt 8: Airborne 50:07 F1 '99-'02 (2003) 50:35 Reckless racing 2 50:56 Mario Kart 8 deluxe 51:15 Wave Race 64 51:42 Forza Motorsport 3 52:17 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL 53:49 Forza Motorsport 54:38 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL 55:04 Wipeout XL 55:35 THE TOP 10 55:48 Test Drive Le Mans MASSIVE W 57:14 Mario Kart Super Circuit L 57:38 GT2 WWWWWWW 58:21 BURNOUT 3 TAKEDOWN FOR THE PS2 LETS FUCKING GOOOO W 😌 58:53 Massive L don't even need to mention this 59:09 TOP 5 59:16 Burnout 3 Takedown for the Xbox DOUBLE TIME W 59:40 -trackmania- jet car stunts L 1:00:15 WHAT THE FUCK 1:01:34 GT3 AIGHT METACRITIC WE'LL LET YOU COOK. ONE, MORE, TIME. 1:02:57 GT1 Well done Metacritic you won't be sentenced for death... Metacritic... More like mid-critial skill issue LLLLLLL
Watching this with GT3 running on my second monitor. GT4 outside top 50 is just heinous, the day I walked into a rental store at 5yrs old and picked it up is ingrained in my memory. The greatest game to ever exist. I'd throw hands if anyone said otherwise lmao
@@realmustangboy6437 I can say every other series I've played was a useless dopamine hitting timesink (which is always fun) but I learnt so much about cars from GT and read those descriptions for longer than I probably played the game. My daily driver is in GT4 too hahaha. You can play it on the average pc now if you have the time to set it up. Many youtube tutorials out there. And with a good gaming pc it looks like a PS3 game.
NASCAR Racing 2003 Season is a hardcore simulator, it’s the last game by the guys who made iRacing. Also multiple real life NASCAR drivers at the time used it to learn how to win real races. It still has an active modding scene 20 years later because of it’s physics being that good.
Hot Pursuit 2 was what introduced me to the world of racing games, mom and pops bought it along with the PS2. Definitely my top 5 racing games of all time. That was a racing game done right, and it was hard 😂, there was one challenge where we all had to drive M5s through the canyon, I never finished that race till this day 😭
The glorious compilation of Metacritic opinion it's just such outstanding effort from you just like what you did with your PSP videos last year This can be a guide for those newcomers to racing game genre
I will just have to assume you were not old enough during the PS1 days as neither Driver or Gran Turismo were the first real 3D driving games on the PS1. Ridge Racer would be the first as it was a launch title three years before Gran Turismo and five years before Driver. Also TOCA touring car championship came out a month before Gran Turismo and would be a real ground breaker, using real world cars with realistic (for the time) damage. TOCA is actually the great grandfather of the Grid games, seeing as TOCA touring cars became TOCA race driver, Race driver became Race driver Grid which then morphed into Grid. As for the Geoff Crammond F1 games, they were not "like" a simulator, they "were" a simulator and were massive during their day, and anything Geoff Crammond touched pretty much turned to gold. Stunt car racer was another of his games, and when it came out on the PC and the Amiga etc, its physical model was way ahead of its time.
The EA Nascar games are really fun because of the deep career mode, managing your sponsors, building up your team and fight to the top are the reasons why many Nascar fans really love the game. Its different than the modern Nascar games as the games from EA dont have terrible bugs or glitches
@@mr8I7 I had this absolutely insane crash happen to me once, well, more like around me, and it was completely random. Some aí driver screwed up and caused this completely insane pileup, and that was one of the coolest things about the game, the AI kinda behaved like a human, they could be great, but they could also screw up at random, and that added a level of unpredictability to the races that I've never really found anything quite the same on any other racers, not even the GRID sequels.
36:44 the thing that sets NR2003 apart from all other NASCAR games is it's sheer modding capability. Despite being 20 years old, the dedicated modding community has created all up-to-date cars and tracks from the modern day. Not just NASCAR, but there are IndyCar mods, sportscar mods, F1 mods, etc. I would argue that it is easily the closest thing that we have ever gotten to a motorsports sandbox game, which is what many people use it as. Also, to this day it is still the most recent oval racing simulator made. Which is shocking when you consider that road racing gets new sims just about every year (for example, Assetto Corsa 2, Rennsport, and GTR Revival are all coming out within the next year or two on top of the dozens of road sims that have been made in the past few decades). I could drone on about the greatness of NR2003 but I don't want this comment to get too long so I'll leave it at that. Hopefully this sheds just a little bit if light on why it's top 50
The first Rallisport Challenge is also on PC (Windows). Also, I think every game with the same Metascore is in no particular order. I just saw the user scores, you should look at the top 200 to 100 games from that too.
Believe it or not, beetle adventure racing started out development as Need For Speed 64, a nfs title for the nintendo 64, until wolkswagen kind of sponsored ea to turn it into beetle adventure racing
Oh man wow, a shame you weren't aware much of F1 Challenge '99-'02 - made by ISI, the team behind rFactor and still gets mod support for new F1 seasons to this day! Obviously looks dated by todays standards but what a game.
Ok let me explain the differences between the 3 Nascar games. NASCAR 2003 - Would eventually be iRacing in the future. NASCAR Thunder 2004 - Greatest Career manager and development in any racing game. NASCAR 2005 Chase for the Cup - You got to move up though different series's from the Modified's to Trucks and to the Cup series.
The nascar thunder 2004 you can manage your team, racing engines, crew members, chassis etc ... The 2005 one you progress trough the lower division of nascar until u get to the cup with is the top category The nascar racing 2003 is a legend, insane phisics and unlimites mods until these days
with respect to the NASCAR games, the drivers change teams from season to season or retire. Car sponsors changed and the 2000s period of NASCAR include some of the most iconic teams. Truly the peak of the sport and NASCAR has tried to replicate the excitement of that era ever since and to this day. The games may look the same from the cockpit, but the games offered many features for immersion and personal connection to the sport. I played the PSP NASCAR game, which is basically NASCAR 05 for consoles and it was quite welcoming and fascinating
NASCAR Racing 2003 Season was the last proper NASCAR Simulator on PC. Today it has an enormous following with a large modding community. It was the greatest NASCAR Sim at the time and it still is to this very day. No NASCAR game was able to top it, the only game that is as good is NASCAR Thunder 2004. NASCAR Thunder 2004 on PS2 was a huge improvement over Thunder 2003. It introduced a feature called "Grudges and Alliances." It's a system where the AI changes depending on the player's driving style and attitude. Ex: Driving Dirty would cause the AI opponents would keep a grudge and try to get back at you.
No Motorstorm. I'm so sad! From all the arcade games I played in my life, Motorstorm (I'm speaking about the first, Pacific Rift and Apocalypse) had such an impact on me. These three games have no counterparts on any consoles.
Have a friend that plays the living hell out of Motorstorm Apocalypse. I only got into the game recently and the fact that it's not on this list is a damn crime
Is it possible to send DustinEden an original Xbox? They’re relatively cheap and it would be cool to see him play most of the racing games for that system.
I think user scores will be a much better way of judging a racing game since reviews can be written regardless of release time and reflects more of the player's opinion rather than braindead reviewers. You should definitely do a similar video on user reviews as well.
User scores are kinda dubious, because some users who don't have the game, can give low scores because of pettyness or because the game isn't in the console they had (like a Sony fanboy giving some Forza a 2/10 because Xbox) or high score because is in the console they have. Or review bombing because is fun to pile on games that have lots of technical problems.
@@GeovaneSanciniSR I believe those console gatekeepers doesn't impact scores as much. It's sad really, but compared to IGN etc. user scores have been more on par with how the game is known/perceived by the community. As for technical problems and reviews that affected by it; it's deserved really. If you release a half-assed game with game breaking bugs, you kinda deserve what's coming to you. Plus, we won't see many mobile game present in top 100 user scores, if any. I get where you're coming from, but user scores are MUCH MORE reliable than review scores IMHO.
@@kt249 I agree that user scores are much more reliable. They do have problems though, I have studied alot of statistics, and a core principle in statistics is having a random sample. The problem with user scores is that the sample isn't random. It requires quite a bit of effort to write a review or just visit the website and give a score, which means mainly people that have a strong opinion on the matter will give scores. You will see alot of very high and very low scores as a results, at least alot more thna you "should". This is a problem with every study that has volunteers that answers, its never a random sample which means that increasing the sample size doesn't even mean you get a more accurate result, and by accurate I mean representative of the populations opinion.
'Eden Discovers Racing Game Reviewers Don't Know Shit' would've worked as a title also lol In the case of GT4 I always knew it was never reviewed as highly as the first 3. The main reason was a lot of people didn't see it as much of an evolution from GT3 (as touched on in some of those reviews), still lacking a damage model, proper customisation (repainting your car, etc), only 6 cars on track, no changeable time or weather and no exotic brands (Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc). Basically the same criticisms which you could throw at the first 3 games in the series but by 2004 I guess it started to leave a bad taste in some people's mouths... Still, even if it didn't innovate a huge amount it was fundamentally an excellent game that did almost everything right and PD hasn't come anywhere close to matching it in the almost 20 years since, so no surprise it's endured so long. Also, how that same review logic doesn't apply to the stale mediocrity of FH5, with it's countless 10/10's and 9/10's, is completely beyond me... Can we start a petition to make it illegal for these sights to review racing games? lol (Fun Fact: If it was based on just the first week reviews I'm pretty certain GT7 would be ranked ahead of GT4... Yeaaaahhhh...)
Yeah. I remember playing it a lot back then as well and liked it, but I didn't expect it to be the 4th best reviewed racing game of all time. That made me laugh so hard😅
@@jarrodeaston6373 Probably got good reviews because it was either free or super cheap with lots of content, it looked good on bad phones because of the simplistic artstyle and the trackmania car with a jet engine and wings concept was kinda fresh
True, I really had so much fun back then with this game even made my own tracks. The thing is, it does not deserve this much rating. Somewhere in top 100 makes more sense
@@blueelectric05 Absolutely, it shouldn't be this high up, but with how metacritic creates scores it probably got lots of 10s from mobile game outlets (deserved at the time) and because they get counted as 100s it gets this inflated score. Metacritic is just not a good platform. Although I think our takeaway has to be that @DustinEden should definitely play it on stream.
The user ratings are going to be so...so much worse. How is Richard Burns Rally not on this list, how is neither Need For Speed Underground on this list, where is TOCA Race driver 3? As an aside, you may be surprised at just how good Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix 3 was for its time, and GTR 2 as well.
F-Zero GX is my favorite racing game of all time just because of how deep it is. The game is most well known for it's relentlessly brutal difficulty, but because of that the skill ceiling is so high and the replayability is amazing. And like you said, the game is STUPID fast. The analog triggers of the gamecube controller also add another level of depth when it comes to precise movement. The game is a lot of super difficult advanced tricks/tech unique to it, and the risk/reward system of trading health for speed makes every race a nail biter. I would HIGHLY recomend playing it if you can get your hands on it.
If Gran Turismo didn't do it, then somebody else would have eventually. But yes, we would have a different set of games, probably saying the same things about those. The Driver games aren't really racing games, more like car chase games.
My favorite feature FH5 removed was the ability for numerous people to play the game... after they bought it. No really the update that pushed out Ray Tracing and other crap actually stopped people who bought the game with older systems from playing.
Nascar Racing 2003 Season is one of the best racing sims of all time. Easily top 10, maybe top 5. It's literally the first iteration of iRacing. Amazing physics, unmatched even by Assetto Corsa.
I'm so glad you mentioned Blur. Easily my favourite full arcade racing game from the 360 era and an absolute crime that it was as underappreciated as it was
Never been so much emotionally confused in such a convoluted list yet so entertaining. Thats why I don't rely on movies/games rating websites by these "self claimed certified critics". Watching this on stream was such an experience. One of the best streams of the year thats for sure. btw Joe Danger best franchise ever. 🤣
I’m pretty sure rally sport challenge can be played on the Xbox 360 (Update) the game is backwards combatible for the Xbox 360 and the disk can be played on the console
I like how someone says g gt4 is not a game and then NR2003 that is on top of GT4 which is considered better. Like NR2003 doesn't even have a career mode it's a sim. The only explanation i have dor this is the guys who reviewed NR2003 are racing gamers
Best racing games ever are TOCA World Touring Cars and Colin Mcrae Rally 2.0, also, if you want a racing game that has set difficulty on the PS2 so not GT3 or 4, that can also rival those games quality, TOCA Race Driver 3. Great vid.
Jesus Christ... the greatest racing game of all time at number 52... are they f*cking serious?!?! I was expecting this list to be a disaster, because you know... It's Metacritic... but wow, I didn't expect it to be this bad.
6:35 That made me laugh. That was THE SIM back in the day, to take back the crown from ubisoft's F1 Racing Simulation. It used a weird mix of 2D and 3D graphics, mainly the wheels were 2D sprites because they could not spend too many polygons to made them round enough.
The thing that pisses me off is for Sega All-Stars racing they chose the inferior iOS version. If you want definitive edition get the Xbox 360 version. Much better graphics way better controls, wonderful music,better courses even has some exclusive bonus characters. (Playing that version since I was nine I'm now 20 opa-opa for life!)
@@Blueflag04 the game has A LOT of slowdown, stutter and delayed commands, adding the fact that it is the only version that doesnt have any bonus character related to the console it is running. Fortunately the sequel (Sonic and All Star Racing Transformed) doesnt have the same issues and feature most of the same tracks.
I find it funny that a guy was trashing NASCAR games who has never played a NASCAR game, literally RIGHT AFTER shitting on the review for GT4 of the person who didn't like racing games. NASCAR Racing 2003 literally was the birth of iRacing. And there are different modes in Thunder 2004 and Chase for the Cup and different car disciplines in Chase.
these reviews arent comparing nfs shift to nfs most wanted, they are comparing them to other ios games, something neither you nor this guy learned apparently
32:41 I played this for the first time as a teenager in the 2020s and I spent an entire summer playing this more than almost anything else, you are very right, Gran Turismo 4 is like a well built insect, if you try to cut off its head it’ll pick it up and walk away
Hey Dustin, I cannot wait for the user score review video- I think that's a far more accurate representation of the communities opinion on the top 100. Less garbage, more quality. For instance, Gran Turismo 4 is ranked #4, with Gran Turismo 2, Burnout 3, and Crash Team Racing being the only games above. Better than position 52.
Too bad not a single proper racing sim made it into the top 100. Games like Assetto Corsa, Richard Burns Rally or iRacing which has been the #1 racing sim since 16 bloody years. Other really interesting takes on racing games like "Art of Rally" didn't make it either, which is just a piece of art, an homage to rallying. Also no NFSU2 or MW and TDU game is just a crime. On top of it, not even a single Trackmania game which just baffles me considering how popular Nations Forever was on PC and it was literally free... First video I watch from Dustin and that dude knows what's up, I'd be malding as much as him for sure.
I enjoyed this stream a lot and i really appreciate all that you're doing for the racing game genre! My main takeaway here is your talk about the NASCAR games. I understand that it's just cars going in circles. I understand that most of them look the same strictly from a gameplay perspective. But that's not really why people play them if I'm being honest. You HAVE to try them to really understand what i mean here. But most people hold those old NASCAR console games on such a high pedestal because of the depth of the career modes. NASCAR Thunder 2004 did career mode better than any other racing game. And i confidently say that as I've played lots of the F1 games, Dirt and Grid games, etc. Maybe excluding GT and Forza games because those are kind of their own beasts. The ones i recommend trying in this order would be: NASCAR Thunder 2004 NASCAR 2005: Chase for the Cup NASCAR Dirt to Daytona NASCAR 06: Total Team Control These games were absolutely phenomenal and got me hooked on the sport at an early age. Besides these four mentioned, don't waste your time trying others unless they're PC sims.
I know Metacritic is just the average of every single game review put into one score but the fact that GT4 was out of top 50 but Horizon 5 AND 4 were in the top 25 is like baffling to me
Nascar thunder 2004 had a custom livery option whereas the others didn't while having a rival mechanic where the ai that was your rival would intentionally crash you if you got near you. You also could unlock nascar legends such as dale earnhardt and richard petty.
Those Colin McRae Rally games are the same series as Dirt. So you can thank Colin McRae for that series, as he gave his likeness and input to the team. Effectively the most realistic physics in a racing game.
my brother in christ saw mfing Geoff Crammond's GRAND PRIX 3 and really said "cute little game with cockpit cam, might as well be a sim"??????¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ holy f-ing shit.
Man, none of the mid 2000's NFS games like the Undergrounds, Most Wanted or Carbon? That's real shit because that was arguably the NFS golden age and I'm pretty sure they were the most commercially succesful ones too. Also, while I ain't much into kart games, I think Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed definitely had to be here, I absolutely like that one.
Evaluating racing games based on visuals and not the feel.. is just wrong. Simulators look all the same, that is kind of the fucking point when you are trying to simulate reality. GTR2 is still a thing because its simulation is top notch and its driving model is really good. It also has good force feedback which is HUE factor in all simracing games. We do not give a fuck about the visuals, they are there to provide feedback not to be gorgeous.
The way we went from questionable placements with Expansions and Mobile games being better than actual games to seeing GT4 not even in the Top 50 was a change in tone worthy of giving the average person whiplash.
Now with this video settled, no doubt you'll look into these games now. Especially Joe Danger. The least I'd want to see would be an april fools stream or video of that.
F1 2009 for the Wii is the absolute peak of racing games. Graphics so realistic and physics so believable you suddenly wonder about what is even real anymore. Are we all just in a computer simulation??? Is what we are witnessing on our Wii consoles paradise? A place without corrupt politicans, threat of climate change and starvation and thirst??? When you are deep into a 100% race at Monaco, you're body is no longer connected to your mind as you dance around the barriers in your Williams FW31. You are no longer , you are actually Nico Rosberg. You win the race, taste the sweet champagne and kiss the trophy, and you leave your living room. Only now, the world you enter seems like Hell. You realise there is no paradise, no freedom, no glory. F1 2009 for the Wii isn't actually a game. Not even a simulation. It is showing you paradise. Teasing you, whilst you live in Hell itself.
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The Dustins face turned bright red while defending gt4 is killing me😭
That shit had me crying bruh 😂
True LOL, I know what my next nightmare will be😂
Which part
Tool Album picture. Hmmm Noticed. Hello bro! =)
He pretty much turned into a tomato or Uli Hoeneß after a Bayern Munich loss
can we just appreciate Dustin's editor for being able to sit through hours of footage editing all this and somehow still making it high quality
Agree. Lots of editing while also being long. Something that I wish Kuru video would do
Nascar 2003 is regarded as the best nascar game ever made, its a predecessor to iRacing and its highly moddable to the point anyone can have fun with it, you can play with literally anything:
Keyboard, wheel, controller. Its just one of the greatest and i hoped it was top 50 atleast
I agree that it's one of the best NASCAR games ever made. But I think it's more important to note that NASCAR 2003 is really the best NASCAR SIMULATION ever made. I think as far as console video games go there are some better than it that don't try to be simulators.
On the same vibe, F1 Challenge 99-02 plays the same role with F1 imo, it's highly moddable to the point I've raced Indycars, F1 cars from pretty much any era, the Aussie V8 Supercars, Porsche Cup and even DTM lmao
@@kentonbrewer3232Like Dirt to Daytona and the Thunder trilogy
@@adamburch1296 Exactly! The depth of those games is just crazy.
I was about to say. Nascar Racing 2003 is made by Papyrus, what more should be said ? Purest simulation of Nascar, ever. Eden, you HAVE to give it a go.
True, Nascar Racing 4 is just an "update". But isn't there stupid F1 game every year (getting worse every time) ?
Summarizes for this review
1. Eden confusion about those Sports racing game like NASCAR
2. Seeing those Skill Issue Mobile Racing Game
3. DISGRACEFULness of those mobile unrelated racing game above the GT4
It just blew my mind
And Ridge Racer Type 4 not even in the top 50
And burnout!?
FR these gameplay players on mobile games are worse than my life choices
Fun fact "snuggle truck" is a rename from "smuggle truck" and it was a game about smuggling mexicans instead of plushies.
Thats dark
I remember watching the ORIGINAL Smuggle Truck gameplay with actual humans in the news Primer Impacto. I might be wrong and could've been a different game because it changed so much compared to my memories?
that ain't a fun fact and smuggling mexicans to usa is racist
The first Gran Turismo was a REVOLUTION for the racing genre. There's a teason it states on the back of the jewel case "the game by which all future racing games will be judged against".
I think the problem of using metacritic is they averages the review score. So using this system a game that got 9s from a dozen reviewer will technically be better scored than a game that got even 8/9 from hundreds of reviewer. Hence, that's why some amazing but more mainstream games didn't make it to top 100.
Edit: I suggest if u're really gonna do a round 2, use different site, sadly i dont know either if there's a specific site for this (something like Rate Your Music for music)
The other thing you have to realize is that a lot of the reviews are from when the games released. You can't rate one game knowing how well the future games are gonna do. Even though GT4 is commonly considered better than GT1, you have to remember that the reviews are for when the game released.
Glitchwave is literally Rate Your Music for games, the direct counterpart using RYM accounts and such. It’s quite jank at this point but the charts are working and fairly populated.
@@Crash_Knight
This, games are rated based upon their release and its release state. Not the current state of the game. GT1, 2, and 3 were fantastic games. And while I do like GT4, that game does have quite a few issues and is far from perfect just like how GT3 lacked cars but made up for it with the physics model and being extremely detailed.
@@Crash_Knight yeah. Thats why Asphalt 8 was so high for a mobile game
@@Blueflag04 Hell yeah, Asphalt 8 was super fun when it launched, they destroyed it when they started implementing alternative monetization systems.
It's a crime against humanity that Gran Turismo 4 is only 52nd and the reviews from that game made me want to scratch my eyeballs out, disgusting Metacritic users
Those were not Metacritic user ratings, those were aggregates of game critic ratings. The user ratings will be another video.
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"If you aren't a car enthusiast you won't enjoy this game." Yeah thank you genius why are you reviewing it then.
@@notsoracistraspberry4168 Probably because management forced him to. Back then, community backlash against these kinds of reviews weren't as harsh as they are now. So quality control for reviewers was non-existent.
Dustin NASCAR 2003 is an ageless NASCAR game, there are tons of active communities due to endless mods and the ability to basically change everything in the game
Oh yeah NASCAR 2003 is also the base for iRacing... So yeah revolutionary
I find that Metacritic’s aggregate scoring system works best when you’re looking up games for specific consoles, the reviewer scores make way more sense in that context. (in addition to what Dustin says about contextualizing the reviews for games that came out when the game where new.)
Shame that after all these years the website doesn’t have better filtering options. It’s hysterical that when you search by genre they have games and DLC lumped In together like they’re the same.
The best thing about NFS Shift on mobile is, that it isn't monetized to hell like most mobile games today.
I would like to say for NASCAR games, personally I think the fun comes from having to navigate through a huge crowd of cars. I think that's sort of why you might not get that from NASCAR tracks on stuff like GT4 with it's like.. 6-car races. 6 cars, by the way, that may be way different in performance and so create these huge gaps of nothing (opposite of fun in a NASCAR game). NASCAR cars usually have very similar performances, which causes them to bunch up and reduces the chances of creating big gaps. That, and the huge driver list makes for a great spectacle.
I've been having a lot of fun navigating 40-car mazes around speedways, slowly wrestling my way towards the front of the pack. Poking and prodding, using gaps when I can find them and creating gaps when I can't. The most fun I've had is when I crank up the number of CPUs to a huge number, like 90. Then I really have to be careful, making sure I don't cause a massive pile-up while keeping my aggression as high as possible. That sort of feeling gets amplified in the cockpit view, since you can't entirely tell how close you are to the car(s) next to you. Most NASCAR games have a radio spotter that tells you if there are other cars next to you, and where they are.
It's kinda like being stuck in a high-speed highway traffic jam, and everyone is tailgating everyone else. How American.
I grew up with my grandfather buying me every single mainline Nascar game since the PS2's release for Christmas. My dad bought Dirt to Daytona, the PC titles and all other racing games. I am one of you fam!!! You have had to be there, play them and know the differences to actually know. Big part of my childhood
the amount of anger i had when i saw burnout 3 be placed below "Jet Car Stunts" i can't explain
41:49 Fun fact: This game was originally meant to be an NFS game for the N64. That's why it has classic NFS-style physics. Around the time of development, EA actually partnered with the devs on this game to make an NFS entry to the Nintendo 64. It was cancelled tho, due to EA signing a deal with VW to make a game only with the Beetle. This would eventually make it what it is.
I love the fact that the summary for GT4 gets features in the game wrong saying it had online play when it was taken out before release
You gave me 5 hours of extreme amounts of laughter that I can never experience. Thank you so much for venturing into the pit of hell with us.
@@purwantiallan5089 uh who exactly?
@@purwantiallan5089 yes but what does that have to do with my comment?
36:48 First of all Eden:
NASCAR games have different driving models. I played NASCAR Racing 2003 Season, NASCAR 09, NASCAR 15, NASCAR Heat 2 and NASCAR heat 5. Each and every single one of them had a different driving model and different physics.
which one did you enjoy most?
Honestly all of them except Heat 2. The cars felt like they were driving on ice. Oh and in 09 the cars oversteered too much sometimes.
@@raulins100 NASCAR Thunder 2004 and NASCAR 2005 Chase for the Cup are still the gold standard for NASCAR console game handling, perfect balance of realism and fun
So to try and explain the differences between the Nascar games. (Sorry in advance if this gets a bit wordy)...
Nascar Racing 4/Nascar Racing 2001 Season/Nascar Racing 2003 Season: These were all hardcore racing sims made by a company called Papyrus that have a HUGE following today. The most notable one was Nascar Racing 2003 Season. That one still has an insane modding community today that keeps the game running on modern systems, updated to work with modern wheels, and updated to newer cars and rosters. As some others have said, as well, it was actually the handling model that was taken to be used for iRacing, and it shows in a good way. None of the three really stand out as radically different from the other (At least to my knowledge. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) but They're very historically important games that developed simracing as a whole.
Nascar 2004 Thunder: The reason a lot of people (myself included) list this one as the GOAT for Nascar games is just because of the massive load of content they throw out at you. Unlockables, such as secret tracks, secret drivers, secret liveries. The fictional tracks are insane in the best of ways, there's all sorts of game modes from a license mode to teach you each of the individual tracks (you'd be SURPRISED how different Nascar ovals can be when you really dig into it) and a scenario mode where you redo pivotal races in the last few years. The big big BIG thing about it was the career mode. There was so much depth to the career mode that it wasn't even funny. You individually hire every member of your team from tire changers to engineers, have them build, tune, and overhaul the engines and frames and bodies of the cars, manage your sponsors, deal with a ally/enemy system where you can actually piss other drivers off to the point where they'll go out of their way to take you out later in the season. It was just so rich with content it didn't feel like a yearly release game, and that's not something you can really properly convey with a little preview video. If you ever, EVER decide to try out a Nascar game. I promise you, this is the one to go for. I will wager my left testicle on it. If you play the game and don't like it, I will slice it off with a pair of pliers and mail it to you in a little box preserved in formaldehyde to make a little necklace out of.
Nascar 2005 Chase for the Cup: This one is still popular for other reasons. Like you saw...the career literally starts with you street racing a Nascar driver and getting hired into a team of his. It removes a lot of the depth but adds other smaller series in Nascar that you have to work your way up through. There's side events as well with you doing races in other street cars to unlock them, doing charity races, stuff like that. They did cut a lot of other content to make room for that, though (such as the career mode being a LOT more simplistic where you just buy points on a bar to upgrade your crew and car and nothing else), but it's still a favorite to a lot of players just because it was so radically different.
...Also as a COMPLETELY UNRELATED aside, since you mentioned thinking that Diddy Kong Racing didn't look like it aged well, I can assure you it has. The handling does take a bit of getting used to, but I literally just replayed through the game for the first time in, like...ten years early this year, and I still tout it as the best kart racer of all time (and this is coming from someone that HATES most kart racers) It's a lot more skill-based than something like Mario Kart. Items aren't randomized. If there's rubberbanding, then it wasn't enough that I openly noticed it. And there's enough little tech to keep you really engaged on learning the tracks and the driving. It's also packing a really good single player so if you want one that you don't need friends to enjoy, there you go. Just wanted to gush about that game for a bit since I love DKR to death and would stab a man in broad daylight to see kart racers nowadays play more like it.
Hey, just wanted to know, can I play Thunder 2004 if I'm not American and don't know shit about Nascar? Will or actually be playable?
And also, which version of DKR you'd say is the best?
Beetle adventure racing (or HSV racing in Australia) is a classic and was really well done for its time. Its worth a play through via emulation.
I hope it will be playable on Switch one day! Really interested by that game for some reason.
Legendary N64 game
I remember watching a gameplay. It did looked surprisingly fun.
It was made by the original NFS devs. If you're wondering why it's so randomly good, then that's the reason why
*SPOILER ALERT*
EDIT: I highly recommend watching through the video as it's really worth watching from start to finish
The time stamps of all the games "ranked" by "metacritic" aka kiss my ass
1:26 HONORABLE MENTIONS
1:29 F1 2019 for the PC
1:38 AG drive
1:48 Forza horizon 3: hot wheels
2:12 GRID for the 360
2:35 MotoGP 2
2:54 THE TOP 100
2:58 Forza horizon 3: Blizzard mountain
3:41 DiRT 2 for the 360
4:16 3D out run
5:18 Wipeout HD for the PS3
5:44 Colin McRae Rally 04
6:15 Grand Prix 03
6:51 NASCAR 05: Chase for the cup
7:31 DiRT 2 for the PS3
7:47 Forza Motorsport 6
8:10 Rallisport Challenge
9:04 Mario Kart: double dash
9:42 Mario Kart 8 DLC pack 1
10:12 DiRT 3 for the 360
10:49 DiRT 3 Again but for the PS3
11:02 GT7 LLLLLLLLL
11:37 GRID for the PC WWWWWWWW
12:10 Burnout Paradise: TUB
13:04 Metropolis Street Racer
13:40 Midnight Club 3: -Skill issue- DUB edition Remix for the Xbox
14:17 Rallisport challenge 2
14:52 NFS shift for the Ipad (WHO?!)
16:18 GRID for the PS3
16:29 Burnout Paradise for the PS3
16:55 Motorsport Manager Mobile 3
17:36 F1 2021 YET ANOTHER L
18:25 TOP 75
18:26 Forza Horizon 4
18:56 Ridge Racer for the PSP
19:44 NFS hot pursuit 2010 for the 360
20:18 NASCAR thunder 2004
20:53 Burnout 2 POI
21:20 WHO'S JOE?!
22:13 F1 2020 (nice)
22:38 F1 2002
23:11 Real Racing "HD"
23:57 Project Gotham Racing 3
24:40 Drawrace 2 (WHO?!)
25:53 Riptide GP: renegade
26:43 Diddy Kong racing
27:10 Mario Kart 8
27:41 Superbike 2001
28:24 Horizon chase - world tour
28:48 Crash team racing
29:23 R4: Ridge racer type 4
29:55 Excitebike 64
30:24 JOE DANGER
30:36 Wipeout Pure
30:59 Burnout paradise for the 360
31:40 DiRT 2 for the PC
32:14 alright this list is 100% invalid now (this bit gets hilarious with the critic comments. ACTUAL NPCS 😭😭💀)
35:28 Massive L not even gonna mention these next games till we get a W
35:56 Massive L
36:30 TOP 50
36:33 Massive L- actually this isn't bad
37:06 There you go Massive W Burnout 2 POI for the gamecube
37:27 Sonic & SEGA all stars racing
38:04 NASCAR Racing 4
38:15 Burnout Revenge for the 360
38:54 NFS hot pursuit 2 for the PS2
39:28 Inertial drift
39:58 F-zero GX
40:27 NFS hot pursuit 2010 for the PS3
40:42 NASCAR Racing 2002 season
40:52 F1 2017
40:58 F1 2019 for the xbox
41:08 Wipeout 3 CAN'T SPELL WIPEOUT WITHOUT W
41:26 Burnout revenge for the Xbox
41:38 Wipeout HD fury
41:49 Beetle Adventure Racing (WHO?!)
42:38 GTR 2
43:14 Colin McRae Rally 2.0
43:23 Forza Motorsport 2
44:03 Spoke a bit too early there lmao
44:20 Burnout Revenge for the PS2
44:50 GRID Autosport L
46:15 Trials Evolution
46:38 Project Gotham Racing 2
47:15 TOP 25
47:19 Mario Kart DS
47:49 F1 2020 SAME GAME BUT FOR THE XBOX LLLLLLL
48:03 Forza motorsport 4 MASSIVE W
48:45 AIGHT NOW THIS LIST IS 1000% INVALID 🗣️🗣️
49:18 Forza horizon 3 back to the W's again
49:47 Asphalt 8: Airborne
50:07 F1 '99-'02 (2003)
50:35 Reckless racing 2
50:56 Mario Kart 8 deluxe
51:15 Wave Race 64
51:42 Forza Motorsport 3
52:17 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
53:49 Forza Motorsport
54:38 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
55:04 Wipeout XL
55:35 THE TOP 10
55:48 Test Drive Le Mans MASSIVE W
57:14 Mario Kart Super Circuit L
57:38 GT2 WWWWWWW
58:21 BURNOUT 3 TAKEDOWN FOR THE PS2 LETS FUCKING GOOOO W 😌
58:53 Massive L don't even need to mention this
59:09 TOP 5
59:16 Burnout 3 Takedown for the Xbox DOUBLE TIME W
59:40 -trackmania- jet car stunts L
1:00:15 WHAT THE FUCK
1:01:34 GT3 AIGHT METACRITIC WE'LL LET YOU COOK. ONE, MORE, TIME.
1:02:57 GT1 Well done Metacritic you won't be sentenced for death...
Metacritic... More like mid-critial skill issue LLLLLLL
where is the rest?
@@heisenberg3206 write them yourself lmao
@@mattBLACKpunk didn't ask you tho
@@heisenberg3206 didn't see op asking you either 5head
@@mattBLACKpunk still, didn't ask you tho
The sheer happiness that Eden let out when all GT games popped up in the top 10 made me smile
RIP GT4, my beloved
I can't believe Driver: San Francisco isn't in this list...
Watching this with GT3 running on my second monitor. GT4 outside top 50 is just heinous, the day I walked into a rental store at 5yrs old and picked it up is ingrained in my memory. The greatest game to ever exist. I'd throw hands if anyone said otherwise lmao
L TAKE...
SHIFT IOS BETTER.
I never played GT4 because i don't own a playstation, so i can't reall give an opinion, but seeing comments saying this i guess you're gonna be right.
@@realmustangboy6437 I can say every other series I've played was a useless dopamine hitting timesink (which is always fun) but I learnt so much about cars from GT and read those descriptions for longer than I probably played the game. My daily driver is in GT4 too hahaha.
You can play it on the average pc now if you have the time to set it up. Many youtube tutorials out there. And with a good gaming pc it looks like a PS3 game.
@@jordonpollock1550 i think i won't download until the right laptop, learnt everything from older Forza Motorsport games.
@@motorista_ramonnope. Shift iOS not even close.😂
I think we also need to see the 100 worst rated racing games by both Metascore and User Score
And Dustin has to play every one of them.
@@purwantiallan5089 Did you just call Big Rigs one of the worst games ever... Blasphemy of the highest order...
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NASCAR Racing 2003 Season is a hardcore simulator, it’s the last game by the guys who made iRacing. Also multiple real life NASCAR drivers at the time used it to learn how to win real races. It still has an active modding scene 20 years later because of it’s physics being that good.
Hot Pursuit 2 was what introduced me to the world of racing games, mom and pops bought it along with the PS2. Definitely my top 5 racing games of all time. That was a racing game done right, and it was hard 😂, there was one challenge where we all had to drive M5s through the canyon, I never finished that race till this day 😭
The glorious compilation of Metacritic opinion it's just such outstanding effort from you just like what you did with your PSP videos last year
This can be a guide for those newcomers to racing game genre
For ridge racer type 4. One of the guys that did music made a modern tribute album to the game. Its honestly pretty fucking good.
Cant believe it only stays outside of top 50
Assuming that's the Andrew Elmore one?
@@mr8I7 ruclips.net/video/AI0rw03ZO-E/видео.html
I will just have to assume you were not old enough during the PS1 days as neither Driver or Gran Turismo were the first real 3D driving games on the PS1.
Ridge Racer would be the first as it was a launch title three years before Gran Turismo and five years before Driver.
Also TOCA touring car championship came out a month before Gran Turismo and would be a real ground breaker, using real world cars with realistic (for the time) damage.
TOCA is actually the great grandfather of the Grid games, seeing as TOCA touring cars became TOCA race driver, Race driver became Race driver Grid which then morphed into Grid.
As for the Geoff Crammond F1 games, they were not "like" a simulator, they "were" a simulator and were massive during their day, and anything Geoff Crammond touched pretty much turned to gold. Stunt car racer was another of his games, and when it came out on the PC and the Amiga etc, its physical model was way ahead of its time.
The EA Nascar games are really fun because of the deep career mode, managing your sponsors, building up your team and fight to the top are the reasons why many Nascar fans really love the game. Its different than the modern Nascar games as the games from EA dont have terrible bugs or glitches
First GRID being so low on the list is an absolute travesty.
Arguably the best racer of the 360 era. It was great. The thrill of the racing and the crashes was something you just didn't see in most racing games.
@@mr8I7 I had this absolutely insane crash happen to me once, well, more like around me, and it was completely random. Some aí driver screwed up and caused this completely insane pileup, and that was one of the coolest things about the game, the AI kinda behaved like a human, they could be great, but they could also screw up at random, and that added a level of unpredictability to the races that I've never really found anything quite the same on any other racers, not even the GRID sequels.
First GRID is Top 10 best Racing game EVER
@@Just.Ryumeko COMPLETELY AGREE!
36:44 the thing that sets NR2003 apart from all other NASCAR games is it's sheer modding capability. Despite being 20 years old, the dedicated modding community has created all up-to-date cars and tracks from the modern day. Not just NASCAR, but there are IndyCar mods, sportscar mods, F1 mods, etc. I would argue that it is easily the closest thing that we have ever gotten to a motorsports sandbox game, which is what many people use it as.
Also, to this day it is still the most recent oval racing simulator made. Which is shocking when you consider that road racing gets new sims just about every year (for example, Assetto Corsa 2, Rennsport, and GTR Revival are all coming out within the next year or two on top of the dozens of road sims that have been made in the past few decades).
I could drone on about the greatness of NR2003 but I don't want this comment to get too long so I'll leave it at that. Hopefully this sheds just a little bit if light on why it's top 50
Not to mention, the game itself being the foundation for what would eventually become iRacing.
The first Rallisport Challenge is also on PC (Windows). Also, I think every game with the same Metascore is in no particular order. I just saw the user scores, you should look at the top 200 to 100 games from that too.
Awesome video!
horizon 1 being this low under 5 is a fucking crime
Believe it or not, beetle adventure racing started out development as Need For Speed 64, a nfs title for the nintendo 64, until wolkswagen kind of sponsored ea to turn it into beetle adventure racing
I play that game. I wonder why it look like it came out of NFS.
Midnight Club LA not being in this list is also insane, it’s the most fun street racer experience I’ve ever had close with the OG NFS games
Oh man wow, a shame you weren't aware much of F1 Challenge '99-'02 - made by ISI, the team behind rFactor and still gets mod support for new F1 seasons to this day! Obviously looks dated by todays standards but what a game.
1:01:24 I will never ever trust Metacritic for this godawful sin
Ok let me explain the differences between the 3 Nascar games.
NASCAR 2003 - Would eventually be iRacing in the future.
NASCAR Thunder 2004 - Greatest Career manager and development in any racing game.
NASCAR 2005 Chase for the Cup - You got to move up though different series's from the Modified's to Trucks and to the Cup series.
The nascar thunder 2004 you can manage your team, racing engines, crew members, chassis etc ...
The 2005 one you progress trough the lower division of nascar until u get to the cup with is the top category
The nascar racing 2003 is a legend, insane phisics and unlimites mods until these days
with respect to the NASCAR games, the drivers change teams from season to season or retire. Car sponsors changed and the 2000s period of NASCAR include some of the most iconic teams. Truly the peak of the sport and NASCAR has tried to replicate the excitement of that era ever since and to this day. The games may look the same from the cockpit, but the games offered many features for immersion and personal connection to the sport. I played the PSP NASCAR game, which is basically NASCAR 05 for consoles and it was quite welcoming and fascinating
56:05 This running on a Dreamcast completely justifies why I'm an absolute all-time framerate dictator.
NASCAR Racing 2003 Season was the last proper NASCAR Simulator on PC. Today it has an enormous following with a large modding community. It was the greatest NASCAR Sim at the time and it still is to this very day. No NASCAR game was able to top it, the only game that is as good is NASCAR Thunder 2004.
NASCAR Thunder 2004 on PS2 was a huge improvement over Thunder 2003. It introduced a feature called "Grudges and Alliances." It's a system where the AI changes depending on the player's driving style and attitude. Ex: Driving Dirty would cause the AI opponents would keep a grudge and try to get back at you.
No Motorstorm. I'm so sad! From all the arcade games I played in my life, Motorstorm (I'm speaking about the first, Pacific Rift and Apocalypse) had such an impact on me. These three games have no counterparts on any consoles.
Have a friend that plays the living hell out of Motorstorm Apocalypse. I only got into the game recently and the fact that it's not on this list is a damn crime
No FlatOut either... (by Bugbear)
@@gameboyadvancedsp6727 Flatout 2 was amazing, I was in awe as a kid when I played that game
Apocalypse kinda starts to suck once you realize that the tracks are all basically squares with little to no variation.
Is it possible to send DustinEden an original Xbox? They’re relatively cheap and it would be cool to see him play most of the racing games for that system.
I think user scores will be a much better way of judging a racing game since reviews can be written regardless of release time and reflects more of the player's opinion rather than braindead reviewers.
You should definitely do a similar video on user reviews as well.
User scores are kinda dubious, because some users who don't have the game, can give low scores because of pettyness or because the game isn't in the console they had (like a Sony fanboy giving some Forza a 2/10 because Xbox) or high score because is in the console they have.
Or review bombing because is fun to pile on games that have lots of technical problems.
@@GeovaneSanciniSR I believe those console gatekeepers doesn't impact scores as much. It's sad really, but compared to IGN etc. user scores have been more on par with how the game is known/perceived by the community.
As for technical problems and reviews that affected by it; it's deserved really. If you release a half-assed game with game breaking bugs, you kinda deserve what's coming to you. Plus, we won't see many mobile game present in top 100 user scores, if any.
I get where you're coming from, but user scores are MUCH MORE reliable than review scores IMHO.
@@kt249 I agree that user scores are much more reliable. They do have problems though, I have studied alot of statistics, and a core principle in statistics is having a random sample. The problem with user scores is that the sample isn't random. It requires quite a bit of effort to write a review or just visit the website and give a score, which means mainly people that have a strong opinion on the matter will give scores. You will see alot of very high and very low scores as a results, at least alot more thna you "should".
This is a problem with every study that has volunteers that answers, its never a random sample which means that increasing the sample size doesn't even mean you get a more accurate result, and by accurate I mean representative of the populations opinion.
'Eden Discovers Racing Game Reviewers Don't Know Shit' would've worked as a title also lol
In the case of GT4 I always knew it was never reviewed as highly as the first 3. The main reason was a lot of people didn't see it as much of an evolution from GT3 (as touched on in some of those reviews), still lacking a damage model, proper customisation (repainting your car, etc), only 6 cars on track, no changeable time or weather and no exotic brands (Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc). Basically the same criticisms which you could throw at the first 3 games in the series but by 2004 I guess it started to leave a bad taste in some people's mouths... Still, even if it didn't innovate a huge amount it was fundamentally an excellent game that did almost everything right and PD hasn't come anywhere close to matching it in the almost 20 years since, so no surprise it's endured so long.
Also, how that same review logic doesn't apply to the stale mediocrity of FH5, with it's countless 10/10's and 9/10's, is completely beyond me... Can we start a petition to make it illegal for these sights to review racing games? lol
(Fun Fact: If it was based on just the first week reviews I'm pretty certain GT7 would be ranked ahead of GT4... Yeaaaahhhh...)
Jet Car Stunts is actually a great game though, the jet mechanics makes it different enough I think, was lots of fun on the phone back then
Yeah. I remember playing it a lot back then as well and liked it, but I didn't expect it to be the 4th best reviewed racing game of all time. That made me laugh so hard😅
@@jarrodeaston6373 Probably got good reviews because it was either free or super cheap with lots of content, it looked good on bad phones because of the simplistic artstyle and the trackmania car with a jet engine and wings concept was kinda fresh
True, I really had so much fun back then with this game even made my own tracks.
The thing is, it does not deserve this much rating. Somewhere in top 100 makes more sense
@@blueelectric05 Absolutely, it shouldn't be this high up, but with how metacritic creates scores it probably got lots of 10s from mobile game outlets (deserved at the time) and because they get counted as 100s it gets this inflated score. Metacritic is just not a good platform. Although I think our takeaway has to be that @DustinEden should definitely play it on stream.
...I feel like I just experienced having a young Sebastian Vettel imply that I'm a boomer multiple times.
The user ratings are going to be so...so much worse.
How is Richard Burns Rally not on this list, how is neither Need For Speed Underground on this list, where is TOCA Race driver 3?
As an aside, you may be surprised at just how good Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix 3 was for its time, and GTR 2 as well.
RalliSport Challenge actually has a PC port, it wasn't a xbox exclusive, that would be the Project Gotham Racing games and RalliSport Challenge 2.
The most shocking thing here wasnt no black box games stans hot pursuit 2 but instead no SSX
F-Zero GX is my favorite racing game of all time just because of how deep it is. The game is most well known for it's relentlessly brutal difficulty, but because of that the skill ceiling is so high and the replayability is amazing. And like you said, the game is STUPID fast. The analog triggers of the gamecube controller also add another level of depth when it comes to precise movement. The game is a lot of super difficult advanced tricks/tech unique to it, and the risk/reward system of trading health for speed makes every race a nail biter. I would HIGHLY recomend playing it if you can get your hands on it.
The Dark Souls of racing games.
(Conveniently forgetting Richard Burns rally)
I mean #100 to #77 all have 87 Metascore so I wouldn't really count any of them being above each other myself. Its all the same score.
If Gran Turismo didn't do it, then somebody else would have eventually. But yes, we would have a different set of games, probably saying the same things about those.
The Driver games aren't really racing games, more like car chase games.
Thanks editors for condensing this to an hour.
Man that stream was fun.
My favorite feature FH5 removed was the ability for numerous people to play the game... after they bought it. No really the update that pushed out Ray Tracing and other crap actually stopped people who bought the game with older systems from playing.
Nascar Racing 2003 Season is one of the best racing sims of all time. Easily top 10, maybe top 5. It's literally the first iteration of iRacing. Amazing physics, unmatched even by Assetto Corsa.
I'm so glad you mentioned Blur. Easily my favourite full arcade racing game from the 360 era and an absolute crime that it was as underappreciated as it was
Split Second is a other unique underappreciated gem like Blur. It's a shame it's sequel waa cancelled.
I remember Jet Car Stunts way back in the days on my iphone 3g and is so good back then
Nascar Racing 2003 on PC led to iRacing so it makes sense being up there
Never been so much emotionally confused in such a convoluted list yet so entertaining. Thats why I don't rely on movies/games rating websites by these "self claimed certified critics". Watching this on stream was such an experience. One of the best streams of the year thats for sure. btw Joe Danger best franchise ever. 🤣
Dustin: "Yeah I don't see how is this in top100"
*Wild cockpit view appears*
"Yeah, I definitely would put this in the top 100."
I’m pretty sure rally sport challenge can be played on the Xbox 360
(Update) the game is backwards combatible for the Xbox 360 and the disk can be played on the console
For those of you that are curious (because I was), here's a list of the top 100 racing games if you remove ios/android games, dlc/expansions, and multiple platforms of the same game.
I think this provides better (but not perfect) context for racing games of all time periods.
1: Gran Turismo (PS1; 1998)
2: Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2; 2001)
3: Burnout 3: Takedown (Xbox; 2004)
4: Gran Turismo 2 (PS1; 1999)
5: Mario Kart: Super Circuit (GBA; 2001)
6: Test Drive: Le Mans (DC; 2000)
7: Wipeout XL (PS1; 1996)
8: Forza Horizon 4 (XBO; 2018)
9: Forza Motorsport (Xbox; 2005)
10: Forza Horizon 5 (XSX; 2021)
11: Forza Motorsport 3 (X360; 2009)
12: Wave Race 64 (N64; 1996)
13: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Switch; 2017)
14: F1 Career Challenge (PC; 2003)
15: Forza Horizon 3 (XBO; 2016)
16: Forza Motorsport 4 (X360; 2011)
17: F1 2020 (XBO; 2020)
18: Mario Kart DS (NDS; 2005)
19: Project Gotham Racing 2 (Xbox; 2003)
20: Trials: Evolution (X360; 2012)
21: Burnout Revenge (PS2; 2005)
22: Forza Motorsport 2 (X360; 2007)
23: Colin McRae Rally 2.0 (PS1; 2000)
24: GTR 2 (PC; 2006)
25: Beetle Adventure Racing (N64; 1999)
26: Wipeout 3 (PS1; 1999)
27: F1 2019 (XBO; 2019)
28: F1 2017 (PC; 2017)
29: NASCAR Racing: 2002 Season (PC; 2002)
30: Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (PS3; 2010)
31: F-Zero GX (GC; 2003)
32: Inertial Drift (PC; 2020)
33: Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 (PS2; 2002)
34: NASCAR Racing 4 (PC; 2001)
35: Burnout 2: Point of Impact (GC; 2003)
36: NASCAR Racing: 2003 Season (PC; 2003)
37: Gran Turismo 4 (PS2; 2005)
38: Dirt 2 (PC; 2009)
39: Burnout Paradise (X360; 2008)
40: Wipeout Pure (PSP; 2005)
41: Excitebike 64 (N64; 2000)
42: Ridge Racer Type 4 (PS1; 1999)
43: Crash Team Racing (PS1; 1999)
44: Superbike 2001 (PC; 2000)
45: Diddy Kong Racing (N64; 1997)
46: Project Gotham Racing 3 (X360; 2005)
47: F1 2002 (PC; 2002)
48: Joe Danger: Special Edition (X360; 2011)
49: NASCAR Thunder 2004 (PS2; 2003)
50: Ridge Racer (PSP; 2005)
51: F1 2021 (XSX; 2021)
52: Grid (PS3; 2008)
53: Rallisport Challenge 2 (Xbox; 2004)
54: Midnight Club 3: Dub Edition Remix (Xbox; 2006)
55: Metropolis Street Racer (DC; 2001)
56: Gran Turismo 7 (PS5; 2022)
57: Dirt 3 (PS3; 2011)
58: Mario Kart: Double Dash (GC; 2003)
59: Rallisport Challenge (Xbox; 2002)
60: Forza Motorsport 6 (XBO; 2015)
61: NASCAR 2005: Chase for the Cup (PS2; 2004)
62: Grand Prix 3 (PC; 2000)
63: Colin McRae Rally 04 (PC; 2004)
64: Wipeout HD (PS3; 2008)
65: 3D Outrun (3DS; 2015)
66: MotoGP 2 (Xbox; 2003)
67: Burnout Legends (PSP; 2005)
68: Dirt Rally (XBO; 2016)
69: Need for Speed: Most Wanted U (Wii U; 2013)
70: Test Drive V-Rally (DC; 2000)
71: San Francisco Rally 2049 (N64; 2000)
72: Trails HD (X360; 2009)
73: Midnight Club 2 (Xbox; 2003)
74: Need for Speed: High Stakes (PS1; 1999)
75: F1 2016 (PC; 2016)
76: Daytona USA (DC; 2001)
77: Colin McRae Rally 3 (PS2; 2003)
78: Forza Horizon 2 (XBO; 2014)
79: Moto Racer Advance (GBA; 2002)
80: F-Zero: Maximum Velocity (GBA; 2001)
81: Dirt 4 (XBO; 2017)
82: Forza Motorsport 7 (XBO; 2017)
83: Rocket League (PC; 2015)
84: Project Gotham Racing 4 (X360; 2007)
85: F-Zero X (N64; 1998)
86: Rollcage Stage II (PS1; 2000)
87: Rumble Racing (PS2; 2001)
88: MotoGP 3 (Xbox; 2005)
89: NASCAR SimRacing (PC; 2005)
90: Pure (X360; 2008)
91: Project Gotham Racing (Xbox; 2001)
92: Forza Horizon (X360; 2012)
93: GTR (PC; 2005)
94: Assetto Corsa (PC; 2014)
95: Mario Kart 7 (3DS; 2011)
96: F355 Challenge (DC; 2000)
97: NASCAR Thunder 2002 (PS2; 2001)
98: NASCAR Thunder 2003 (GC; 2002)
99: Wipeout: Omega Collection (PS4; 2017)
100: Need for Speed: Underground (PS2; 2003)
Seeing you question what the Grand Prix series is just made me sad. We should not forget the legends.
I just couldn't believe it, like bruh...
I like how someone says g
gt4 is not a game and then NR2003 that is on top of GT4 which is considered better. Like NR2003 doesn't even have a career mode it's a sim. The only explanation i have dor this is the guys who reviewed NR2003 are racing gamers
These metascores don't mean shit they put Fallout 3 over New Vegas
Best racing games ever are TOCA World Touring Cars and Colin Mcrae Rally 2.0, also, if you want a racing game that has set difficulty on the PS2 so not GT3 or 4, that can also rival those games quality, TOCA Race Driver 3. Great vid.
Jesus Christ... the greatest racing game of all time at number 52... are they f*cking serious?!?! I was expecting this list to be a disaster, because you know... It's Metacritic... but wow, I didn't expect it to be this bad.
Yeah it should be at least in the top 10. The fact that they put it at 52 is robbery
6:35 That made me laugh.
That was THE SIM back in the day, to take back the crown from ubisoft's F1 Racing Simulation. It used a weird mix of 2D and 3D graphics, mainly the wheels were 2D sprites because they could not spend too many polygons to made them round enough.
The thing that pisses me off is for Sega All-Stars racing they chose the inferior iOS version. If you want definitive edition get the Xbox 360 version. Much better graphics way better controls, wonderful music,better courses even has some exclusive bonus characters. (Playing that version since I was nine I'm now 20 opa-opa for life!)
It is sad that this game is awful on the PS3, the game runs really bad. Even the DS version runs better and for the console it has great graphics
@@lordeilluminati ps3 version is bad? How?
@@Blueflag04 the game has A LOT of slowdown, stutter and delayed commands, adding the fact that it is the only version that doesnt have any bonus character related to the console it is running. Fortunately the sequel (Sonic and All Star Racing Transformed) doesnt have the same issues and feature most of the same tracks.
I hate when RUclips just spoils who's the Top 1 in this video...
Actually Dustin, Rallisport Challenge is backwards compatible on your average Xbox 360. It’s Rallisport 2 that’s fully landlocked
I find it funny that a guy was trashing NASCAR games who has never played a NASCAR game, literally RIGHT AFTER shitting on the review for GT4 of the person who didn't like racing games.
NASCAR Racing 2003 literally was the birth of iRacing.
And there are different modes in Thunder 2004 and Chase for the Cup and different car disciplines in Chase.
So Shift on IOS is better than every single NFS game, sure thing. 🤡
these reviews arent comparing nfs shift to nfs most wanted, they are comparing them to other ios games, something neither you nor this guy learned apparently
32:41 I played this for the first time as a teenager in the 2020s and I spent an entire summer playing this more than almost anything else, you are very right, Gran Turismo 4 is like a well built insect, if you try to cut off its head it’ll pick it up and walk away
Is it bad that I can recognize it's Gran Turismo on the thumbnail?
Same
Hey Dustin, I cannot wait for the user score review video- I think that's a far more accurate representation of the communities opinion on the top 100. Less garbage, more quality. For instance, Gran Turismo 4 is ranked #4, with Gran Turismo 2, Burnout 3, and Crash Team Racing being the only games above. Better than position 52.
Too bad not a single proper racing sim made it into the top 100. Games like Assetto Corsa, Richard Burns Rally or iRacing which has been the #1 racing sim since 16 bloody years. Other really interesting takes on racing games like "Art of Rally" didn't make it either, which is just a piece of art, an homage to rallying. Also no NFSU2 or MW and TDU game is just a crime. On top of it, not even a single Trackmania game which just baffles me considering how popular Nations Forever was on PC and it was literally free... First video I watch from Dustin and that dude knows what's up, I'd be malding as much as him for sure.
I enjoyed this stream a lot and i really appreciate all that you're doing for the racing game genre! My main takeaway here is your talk about the NASCAR games. I understand that it's just cars going in circles. I understand that most of them look the same strictly from a gameplay perspective. But that's not really why people play them if I'm being honest.
You HAVE to try them to really understand what i mean here. But most people hold those old NASCAR console games on such a high pedestal because of the depth of the career modes. NASCAR Thunder 2004 did career mode better than any other racing game. And i confidently say that as I've played lots of the F1 games, Dirt and Grid games, etc. Maybe excluding GT and Forza games because those are kind of their own beasts.
The ones i recommend trying in this order would be:
NASCAR Thunder 2004
NASCAR 2005: Chase for the Cup
NASCAR Dirt to Daytona
NASCAR 06: Total Team Control
These games were absolutely phenomenal and got me hooked on the sport at an early age. Besides these four mentioned, don't waste your time trying others unless they're PC sims.
Finally some love for Dirt to Daytona. The first two leagues alone are worth the price of admission. The other two were good too.
I know Metacritic is just the average of every single game review put into one score but the fact that GT4 was out of top 50 but Horizon 5 AND 4 were in the top 25 is like baffling to me
Nascar thunder 2004 had a custom livery option whereas the others didn't while having a rival mechanic where the ai that was your rival would intentionally crash you if you got near you. You also could unlock nascar legends such as dale earnhardt and richard petty.
Those Colin McRae Rally games are the same series as Dirt. So you can thank Colin McRae for that series, as he gave his likeness and input to the team. Effectively the most realistic physics in a racing game.
Well you can't thank him actually because he's dead
Ok, need for speed shift for ipad didn't deserve such a good review but I do remember it being mind boggling at the time
My brother in christ you are a racing game enthusiast and you didn't know any single sim on the list? 😓
Thats what im surprised as well
my brother in christ saw mfing Geoff Crammond's GRAND PRIX 3 and really said "cute little game with cockpit cam, might as well be a sim"??????¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ holy f-ing shit.
I think that following this Dustin needs to do a deep dive on the WipEout franchise.
Man, none of the mid 2000's NFS games like the Undergrounds, Most Wanted or Carbon? That's real shit because that was arguably the NFS golden age and I'm pretty sure they were the most commercially succesful ones too.
Also, while I ain't much into kart games, I think Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed definitely had to be here, I absolutely like that one.
Where the fuck were Daytona USA and Sega Rally?!
I absolutely love your channel. Watch every single minute of your videos, I’m also a huge fan of racing games and am glad GT1 got the first place.
Evaluating racing games based on visuals and not the feel.. is just wrong. Simulators look all the same, that is kind of the fucking point when you are trying to simulate reality. GTR2 is still a thing because its simulation is top notch and its driving model is really good. It also has good force feedback which is HUE factor in all simracing games. We do not give a fuck about the visuals, they are there to provide feedback not to be gorgeous.
The way we went from questionable placements with Expansions and Mobile games being better than actual games to seeing GT4 not even in the Top 50 was a change in tone worthy of giving the average person whiplash.
Dustin you should make the same video but for user scores. NFS Shift on IOS has 94 metascore, but only 4.4 on the user score...
would be cool to have a follow up video using the user scores in metacritic to make the ultimate top 100 list
Dude i remember pulling an all nighter playing GT4 when i was kid.
Now with this video settled, no doubt you'll look into these games now. Especially Joe Danger. The least I'd want to see would be an april fools stream or video of that.
the disrespect to GRID 1 is INSANE
F1 2009 for the Wii is the absolute peak of racing games. Graphics so realistic and physics so believable you suddenly wonder about what is even real anymore. Are we all just in a computer simulation??? Is what we are witnessing on our Wii consoles paradise? A place without corrupt politicans, threat of climate change and starvation and thirst??? When you are deep into a 100% race at Monaco, you're body is no longer connected to your mind as you dance around the barriers in your Williams FW31. You are no longer , you are actually Nico Rosberg. You win the race, taste the sweet champagne and kiss the trophy, and you leave your living room. Only now, the world you enter seems like Hell. You realise there is no paradise, no freedom, no glory. F1 2009 for the Wii isn't actually a game. Not even a simulation. It is showing you paradise. Teasing you, whilst you live in Hell itself.
If you change the resolution to 480p on xbox 360 it actually fixes a lot of problems with og xbox games being played on it