Lol to be fair, while watching DBS Broly, I kept thinking: "Hmmm Gogeta is getting super flashy while in Blue. Last time Vegito did he defused.....Soooooo, he's probably gonna accidentally defuse and then Goku's gonna either use Spirit Bomb or somehow trigger UI." I was happy to know that plot did the opposite 😅
Neither Toriyama nor Toyotaro ever said anything about the fusions being equal. The statement came from a misinterpretation of a translation from a JUMP page that was advertising Gogeta for DBS Broly. Not only were there no major influences over the story involved with the statement, but the statement never even compared their strength. The only takeaway from that statement (if you even listen to it for whatever reason) is that both fusions are so far superior to anything that Goku or Vegeta could do alone that either one of them could finish the job against whatever enemy they are facing.
If Goku and Vegeta fused into Vegito or Gogeta DURING the Tournament of Power, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that it wouldn't go too well for Jiren.
Currently working out that What If in Sparking Zero. I'm just at a loss on who I wanna give the win to. Gameplay and kit wise, Vegito is the better Fusion but it uses the moveset from Merged Zamasu fight. Gogeta is looking like the best option given that so looks like this weekend, I'll finish that What If. It's honestly a real shame how weird the community has made the Custom Battle scene though. They gave us almost everything to make sure we can do an infinite number of possibilities with these characters.
I will argue that broly is probably between god and blue gogeta. The reason is that broly was taking big blows from gogeta blue with no injuries, and broly was a berserker with no control of his power and gogeta has full control.
Ehhh possibly? I would still mark him around on par with ssj3-God at best. While Broly didn't sustain any critical hits, Gogeta Blue literally beat Broly back to being conscious and fully aware. Plus, once Gogeta used Blue, and please correct me if im wrong, but I don't think Broly got a single hit in whatsoever. I think Gogeta ssj3 would been a really close match, maybe with Broly ahead in power. And God Gogeta just bring stronger
@@taecampus You are right that Broly didn't even hit Gogeta once, but the multiplier between god and ssj3 is a one shot difference. We know this from the DBS managa when Goku and Trunks sparred. Gogeta, although he absolutely beat the breaks off of Broly, did NOT one shot Broly and he was in blue form, which is a 50 times multiplier of god. The reason we know it's a 50 times difference is because goku forced kefla to use super saiyan when he went blue. Also the fact that Broly was able to take big blows from gogeta blue shows that he's somewhat relevant to gogeta blue. Another thing is that we know that weaker characters can damage MUCH stronger foes. We know this when KRILLIAN managed to hurt Cell Max.
@@DecBird vegito has been compared to beerus and also in superhero movie vegeta staed jiren wasnt much stronger than him or goku this was confirmed by whis so even goku black arc vegito shld be able to beat jiren as long as he doesnt defuse
@@glitchway1313Jiren literally was much stronger then both of them it took ultra instinct a technique/transformation no mortal grasped or gained before to match Jiren. Even then he needed the much stronger silver hair variant to actually do damage to Jiren. Jiren is outright stated to be the mortal who surpassed gods of destruction. Specifically his own. Just his suppressed state dog walked a blue Goku who had multiple zenkais and boosts after the black arc and during the TOP. He was way stronger then Goku and Vegeta, his ki control was a main reference point Vegeta was making in the super hero movie which was why he was meditating. Black arc Vegito gets stomped a theoretical TOP Vegito stomps Jiren.
@@glitchway1313 Vegito was compared to beerus in the manga only, not anime. But if u wanna use that argument then Jiren wins cs he's strong than Beerus
Vegito would shitstomp Jiren . Jiren would be around 2x kaikoken 20x Goku but that's it. Vegito in super Saiyan form itself would stomp kaikoken 20x goku
To be honest I think Toriyama just says stuff like that to hype up the characters. Like when he said that Beast Gohan was the strongest character (mortal wise) and that Orange Piccolo was on par with UI Goku. He even had the characters say that the Gammas were on par with Goku and Vegeta. Fans like us questioned this massively. But then it was later answered in the latest chapters that Gohan is on paf with Goku and Vegeta while Piccolo is probably above Broly (atm). Me personally, as a Gogeta fan, assume that Vegito and Gogeta were completely equals powerwise. But when you throw logic into the fray it quickly debunks that mindset. The fusion dance requires the both dancers to be on the same level of power to achieve the technique. While the Potara just needs them to put the earrings on, regardless of the power difference. I like Gogeta alot more than Vegito, but it makes sense that while on par with one another, Gogeta may be a tad weaker than Vegito 😅
I think that by this point, both the fusion dance the the potarra are equal, they’re the ‘trump-card,’ anytime they’re used. In DBZ, the earrings were 100%, and just blatantly stated to be better than the fusion dance, but NOW.. with everything we have, with the sheer amount of time that has passed, the numerous takes on the fusions, what was said in Z cannot be taken into account for the current super narrative.
Dbs Broly is not legendary ssj, rookie mistake. Jiren in the anime is stated to be stronger than ALL gods, not just belmod. There's so many guide statements that say that. If you wanna use the Shin argument to say Jiren is stronger than Zamasu, then that some quote also makes him stronger than Beerus.
To add to everything u said jiren also asked why they didn’t use fusion in the tournament of power granted this was an episode of dragon ball hero’s and it was Gogeta he asked. But I think that’s still key info
Akira Toriyama had a history of not really understand his own series so I honestly take his words with a grain of salt sometimes, this same guy forgot Launch even existed 😂 so I feel like in some aspects the fans have a better idea of what's going on than the actually creator LOL Vegito has been proven multiple times to be stronger than Gogeta and even from a basic standpoint, the Kai earrings should just overall be stronger than the Metamoran fusion. One is a Deity fusion while the other is a Mortal fusion, it just makes sense to me
@taecampus The Kai's themselves aren't really fighters, sure they are really powerful with Shin even stating that he could one shot Namek Saga Frieza but we are unsure of their actual power scale I don't believe Kibito was even seen fighting but he at least has to be weaker than Shin. If I were to guess, Kibito Kai has to be at most 1st form Cell level which I would say is a massive power boost if we scale Shin to higher than Frieza but weaker than the Androids
It makes sense story wise for potora to be stronger then metamorian fusion since potora is a godly fusion not needed for both powers to be lowered or equal but unfortunately that was reconned. I will say what I liked even as a Gogeta fan is the thought even though potora could be stronger since it doesn't require anyone lowering their energy to be equal just made sense and it being permanent meant a high risk factor while with metamorian even if time runs out if you quick enough you can get another 30 minutes by refusing if given an opportunity
@nothingtoseehere9648 ..... The Kai's aren't really fighters? idk if I can fully agree to that statement 😅 We already have examples like Zamasu (before he went crazy in mean), the South Supreme Kai who was on par with Kid Buu before he got absorbed, North Supreme Kai and definitely the Grand Supreme Kai, who is now MUI level. And if I were to judge Kibito Kai's strength.... 🤔 I would honestly say around SemiPerfect Cell, although it's pure speculation. Final Form 100% Freeza was 120,000,000 power level wise. Shin, the weakest of the original 5 Supreme Kais, is said to be 1000x stronger than that. So I would assume he's stronger than the Saiyans after the 3 year time skip in preparation to fight the Androids. It's just speculating though 😄
I refuse to believe Jiren > Zamasu in any capacity. Shin has no real basis on being able to say Jiren is stronger than Zamasu as both him and Gowasu blatantly state Zamasu's power was beyond their ability to sense. That means he blatantly can't tell how strong Zamasu was. As for Vegeta's statement in episode 122, not only does Vegeta later clarify in Superhero that Jiren's Ki Control makes the actual power gap look bigger than it is, there's no reason to believe he wasn't just taking about the fighters at the ToP. Meanwhile you can just scale Jiren off of Kefla, and her off Goku/Frieza, and find that at best he should be 100-200x stronger than her despite Kefla's fusees being weaker than Zamasu arc Vegito's.
If we take whis's explanation about ui goku in tournament of power he says ui goku is stronger than both fusions at the point of tournament of power and whis as being one the smartest he was talking about ssj blue evolve kaiokane 20x vegito and gogeta so if jiren was going toe to toe against mui goku what do you think jiren would fold tournament of power vegito and gogeta
i believe that broly is stronger than jiren cause even vegeta states that jiren wasnt that much stronger he just knew how to use his power better also a stronger ssjb goku and vegeta couldnt do anything and with gogeta and vegito theyre stronger than both goku and vegetas strongest froms meaning mui/ blue evo in base or ssj
Vegeto SuperSaiyan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku so why not SsjB Vegeto stronger than Ultra instinct Goku unless once you get to the gods it’s a tier list instead, or rather Blue can Never beat White
I think Goku had some explanation like the more they power up the stronger this guy gets so they just went with Fusion. I assume he assumed Fusion was way too much of a power up for Broly to keep up with.
I think that by this point, both the fusion dance the the potarra are equal, they’re the ‘trump-card,’ anytime they’re used. In DBZ, the earrings were 100%, and just blatantly stated to be better than the fusion dance, but NOW.. with everything we have, with the sheer amount of time that has passed, the numerous takes on the fusions, what was said in Z cannot be taken into account for the current super narrative.
Gogeta and Vegito last as long as the plot needs them to, that's my stance on the time limit :|
Lol to be fair, while watching DBS Broly, I kept thinking:
"Hmmm Gogeta is getting super flashy while in Blue. Last time Vegito did he defused.....Soooooo, he's probably gonna accidentally defuse and then Goku's gonna either use Spirit Bomb or somehow trigger UI."
I was happy to know that plot did the opposite 😅
Vegito lasts forever with angel grade potara
I'm pretty sure the reason why the Vegito fusion ran out so soon was because of their poor ki control of ssjb
@@taecampusyeah it’s kind of a retcon considering Gotenks defused early because of ssj3
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Neither Toriyama nor Toyotaro ever said anything about the fusions being equal. The statement came from a misinterpretation of a translation from a JUMP page that was advertising Gogeta for DBS Broly. Not only were there no major influences over the story involved with the statement, but the statement never even compared their strength. The only takeaway from that statement (if you even listen to it for whatever reason) is that both fusions are so far superior to anything that Goku or Vegeta could do alone that either one of them could finish the job against whatever enemy they are facing.
Do you know or have the actual translation by chance?
If Goku and Vegeta fused into Vegito or Gogeta DURING the Tournament of Power, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that it wouldn't go too well for Jiren.
Currently working out that What If in Sparking Zero. I'm just at a loss on who I wanna give the win to. Gameplay and kit wise, Vegito is the better Fusion but it uses the moveset from Merged Zamasu fight. Gogeta is looking like the best option given that so looks like this weekend, I'll finish that What If. It's honestly a real shame how weird the community has made the Custom Battle scene though. They gave us almost everything to make sure we can do an infinite number of possibilities with these characters.
That’s true but since Jiren is fighting without a fusion let’s keep this a fair as possible even tho he 1v2 Goku and Vegeta for a while.
I will argue that broly is probably between god and blue gogeta. The reason is that broly was taking big blows from gogeta blue with no injuries, and broly was a berserker with no control of his power and gogeta has full control.
Hmm, well I cant argue against it too much so meh
Ehhh possibly?
I would still mark him around on par with ssj3-God at best. While Broly didn't sustain any critical hits, Gogeta Blue literally beat Broly back to being conscious and fully aware. Plus, once Gogeta used Blue, and please correct me if im wrong, but I don't think Broly got a single hit in whatsoever.
I think Gogeta ssj3 would been a really close match, maybe with Broly ahead in power. And God Gogeta just bring stronger
That's more a case of Broly's endurance and Durability being higher than his AP.
@@taecampus You are right that Broly didn't even hit Gogeta once, but the multiplier between god and ssj3 is a one shot difference. We know this from the DBS managa when Goku and Trunks sparred. Gogeta, although he absolutely beat the breaks off of Broly, did NOT one shot Broly and he was in blue form, which is a 50 times multiplier of god. The reason we know it's a 50 times difference is because goku forced kefla to use super saiyan when he went blue. Also the fact that Broly was able to take big blows from gogeta blue shows that he's somewhat relevant to gogeta blue. Another thing is that we know that weaker characters can damage MUCH stronger foes. We know this when KRILLIAN managed to hurt Cell Max.
Nice vid
Dope video my guy. Pretty abrupt ending though. I agree with most of your conclusion.👍
Will work on that thanks tho!
Jiren is getting absolutely stomped by Vegito
Broly movie vegito more than likely yeah, not black arc tho
@@DecBird vegito has been compared to beerus and also in superhero movie vegeta staed jiren wasnt much stronger than him or goku this was confirmed by whis so even goku black arc vegito shld be able to beat jiren as long as he doesnt defuse
@@glitchway1313Jiren literally was much stronger then both of them it took ultra instinct a technique/transformation no mortal grasped or gained before to match Jiren. Even then he needed the much stronger silver hair variant to actually do damage to Jiren. Jiren is outright stated to be the mortal who surpassed gods of destruction. Specifically his own. Just his suppressed state dog walked a blue Goku who had multiple zenkais and boosts after the black arc and during the TOP. He was way stronger then Goku and Vegeta, his ki control was a main reference point Vegeta was making in the super hero movie which was why he was meditating. Black arc Vegito gets stomped a theoretical TOP Vegito stomps Jiren.
@@glitchway1313 Vegito was compared to beerus in the manga only, not anime. But if u wanna use that argument then Jiren wins cs he's strong than Beerus
Vegito would shitstomp Jiren . Jiren would be around 2x kaikoken 20x Goku but that's it. Vegito in super Saiyan form itself would stomp kaikoken 20x goku
I used to think a form + kaioken would add a multiplier to the form multiplier
Akira Toriyama the creator of the series: Both fusions are equal in power
This guy: nah
@@MyOwnWrld999 well I did explain how I was going to approach the video
And that statement and such but yeah
Toriyama routinely disregards (or forgets) his own comments
Toriyama never said this lol
@@PurpleSkiesRFit was Toyotaro right?
To be honest I think Toriyama just says stuff like that to hype up the characters. Like when he said that Beast Gohan was the strongest character (mortal wise) and that Orange Piccolo was on par with UI Goku. He even had the characters say that the Gammas were on par with Goku and Vegeta. Fans like us questioned this massively. But then it was later answered in the latest chapters that Gohan is on paf with Goku and Vegeta while Piccolo is probably above Broly (atm).
Me personally, as a Gogeta fan, assume that Vegito and Gogeta were completely equals powerwise. But when you throw logic into the fray it quickly debunks that mindset. The fusion dance requires the both dancers to be on the same level of power to achieve the technique. While the Potara just needs them to put the earrings on, regardless of the power difference.
I like Gogeta alot more than Vegito, but it makes sense that while on par with one another, Gogeta may be a tad weaker than Vegito 😅
I think that by this point, both the fusion dance the the potarra are equal, they’re the ‘trump-card,’ anytime they’re used. In DBZ, the earrings were 100%, and just blatantly stated to be better than the fusion dance, but NOW.. with everything we have, with the sheer amount of time that has passed, the numerous takes on the fusions, what was said in Z cannot be taken into account for the current super narrative.
Dbs Broly is not legendary ssj, rookie mistake. Jiren in the anime is stated to be stronger than ALL gods, not just belmod. There's so many guide statements that say that. If you wanna use the Shin argument to say Jiren is stronger than Zamasu, then that some quote also makes him stronger than Beerus.
To add to everything u said jiren also asked why they didn’t use fusion in the tournament of power granted this was an episode of dragon ball hero’s and it was Gogeta he asked. But I think that’s still key info
It's irrelevant what anybody says in heroes
Akira Toriyama had a history of not really understand his own series so I honestly take his words with a grain of salt sometimes, this same guy forgot Launch even existed 😂 so I feel like in some aspects the fans have a better idea of what's going on than the actually creator LOL
Vegito has been proven multiple times to be stronger than Gogeta and even from a basic standpoint, the Kai earrings should just overall be stronger than the Metamoran fusion. One is a Deity fusion while the other is a Mortal fusion, it just makes sense to me
Huh... if that was the case, how come Kibito Kai didn't really get much stronger. I would've thought he'd be ssj2 level or something 😅
@taecampus The Kai's themselves aren't really fighters, sure they are really powerful with Shin even stating that he could one shot Namek Saga Frieza but we are unsure of their actual power scale
I don't believe Kibito was even seen fighting but he at least has to be weaker than Shin. If I were to guess, Kibito Kai has to be at most 1st form Cell level which I would say is a massive power boost if we scale Shin to higher than Frieza but weaker than the Androids
when has he been proven to be stronger?
It makes sense story wise for potora to be stronger then metamorian fusion since potora is a godly fusion not needed for both powers to be lowered or equal but unfortunately that was reconned. I will say what I liked even as a Gogeta fan is the thought even though potora could be stronger since it doesn't require anyone lowering their energy to be equal just made sense and it being permanent meant a high risk factor while with metamorian even if time runs out if you quick enough you can get another 30 minutes by refusing if given an opportunity
@nothingtoseehere9648 ..... The Kai's aren't really fighters? idk if I can fully agree to that statement 😅
We already have examples like Zamasu (before he went crazy in mean), the South Supreme Kai who was on par with Kid Buu before he got absorbed, North Supreme Kai and definitely the Grand Supreme Kai, who is now MUI level.
And if I were to judge Kibito Kai's strength.... 🤔
I would honestly say around SemiPerfect Cell, although it's pure speculation. Final Form 100% Freeza was 120,000,000 power level wise. Shin, the weakest of the original 5 Supreme Kais, is said to be 1000x stronger than that. So I would assume he's stronger than the Saiyans after the 3 year time skip in preparation to fight the Androids.
It's just speculating though 😄
bruh lol the mic is so bad
I can still hear clearly so it's all good
@@whit3dant3 um that's not the point
@@TRVPHAUSwhat’s the point bruh what is you’re complaint?
@@GuyVick can you read?
@@TRVPHAUS what’s your point?
he def between god and blue gogeta otherwhite blue gogeta punches would make him explode like adult gohan did to frezia in gt
I refuse to believe Jiren > Zamasu in any capacity. Shin has no real basis on being able to say Jiren is stronger than Zamasu as both him and Gowasu blatantly state Zamasu's power was beyond their ability to sense. That means he blatantly can't tell how strong Zamasu was. As for Vegeta's statement in episode 122, not only does Vegeta later clarify in Superhero that Jiren's Ki Control makes the actual power gap look bigger than it is, there's no reason to believe he wasn't just taking about the fighters at the ToP.
Meanwhile you can just scale Jiren off of Kefla, and her off Goku/Frieza, and find that at best he should be 100-200x stronger than her despite Kefla's fusees being weaker than Zamasu arc Vegito's.
No Shin is correct. Jiren is way stronger than Zamasu but power wise Zamasu is much higher because of Infinite Zamasu
@random-qj6ih gonna explain how Shin would be correct? Also, no, Mugen Zamasu was actually the weakest form of MZ.
Vegito negs.
If we take whis's explanation about ui goku in tournament of power he says ui goku is stronger than both fusions at the point of tournament of power and whis as being one the smartest he was talking about ssj blue evolve kaiokane 20x vegito and gogeta so if jiren was going toe to toe against mui goku what do you think jiren would fold tournament of power vegito and gogeta
He never even hinted goku being stronger that a fusion, let alone said it 💀
@eduparada970 he did
i believe that broly is stronger than jiren cause even vegeta states that jiren wasnt that much stronger he just knew how to use his power better also a stronger ssjb goku and vegeta couldnt do anything and with gogeta and vegito theyre stronger than both goku and vegetas strongest froms meaning mui/ blue evo in base or ssj
If this was true kefla >= jiren limit breaker or mui goku
Which is not true cause omen 2 whooped her
im not understanding what you mean. This is like broly movie vegito vs jiren. Then at the end its Goku Black Arc Vegtio vs Jiren
Vegeto SuperSaiyan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku so why not SsjB Vegeto stronger than Ultra instinct Goku unless once you get to the gods it’s a tier list instead, or rather Blue can Never beat White
Know that I’m thinking about it goku didn’t use Kaioken and vegeta didn’t use blue evolution against broly why
I think Goku had some explanation like the more they power up the stronger this guy gets so they just went with Fusion. I assume he assumed Fusion was way too much of a power up for Broly to keep up with.
FTA Vegeto is far weaker than DBS Gogeta. Jiren would eradicate ssjb Vegeto but hes equal to ssjb-ssjbkk/evolved Gogeta.
I think that by this point, both the fusion dance the the potarra are equal, they’re the ‘trump-card,’ anytime they’re used. In DBZ, the earrings were 100%, and just blatantly stated to be better than the fusion dance, but NOW.. with everything we have, with the sheer amount of time that has passed, the numerous takes on the fusions, what was said in Z cannot be taken into account for the current super narrative.