Why King Cold Doesn't Transform Explained
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2023
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Why can't King Cold transform? In the world of Dragon Ball Z, one of the biggest mysteries about King Cold is whether or not he can transform. In today's video, we break down precisely why he can't. In addition, we make connections to Frieza and Cooler from the movie Cooler's revenge. We even include Frieza's abilities in Dragon Ball Super. 
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isnt it canon that frieza's true form is the dildo one and that he uses the other forms to suppress himself?
As far as i know, It is, though First form being called dildo made my day
His what form
Yes I commented the same thing now he has to throw away this whole video and redo it
@@amilyon553 you don't need to be rude
Dbz dildos HAVE to exist right?
Even if King Cold could transform, does anyone really think Trunks, of all people, would let him transform? The one character that we can all unanimously agree wouldn't let that happen?
But Dragon Ball logic says the characters have to sit there and watch
@QaamansLand That's only if you're the main villain, lol.
@@QaamansLand17 and Trunks disagree with this
This is why Qaaman brings up future Goku. Goku would've 100% allowed Cold to transform, which is why we arrive to the conclusion he doesn't have a transformation.
@@Light_VIP not even Future Goku would've allowed King Cold to transform in this situation. They're on Earth. His home turf. One of the reasons he let Frieza transform is because they were on Namek, a planet that was already going to be destroyed with nobody but him and Frieza on it. He could fight for as long as Namek could keep itself together. That's not possible on Earth.
Fans: *argue for decades over King Cold's power*
Toriyama: "Who?"
Toriyama: So I made a girl interest for Tien named piss.
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The thing is that from a writing perspective King Cold only existed to sell the threat of the androids by having the guy who effortlessly beats Frieza and Cold admit he can't beat the androids. Frieza could return on his own but a) seeing as how Goku presumably killed him it wouldn't sell this comparison if it was just him on his own and b) being Frieza's father gives a good explanation for why Frieza is back. Of course, by introducing King Cold Toriyama raised questions he didn't intend on answering. Which was also the case when he tied Dabura to a Demon Realm, mentioned Makaioshins and had four universes excluded from the ToP
Toriyama had even forgot super saiyan 2 or mystic gohan exsted
something to keep in mind; Frieza's transformations were actually meant to repress and control his enormous power
so the first form we originally see him in is actually his fourth form. his final form being his original
Maybe Cold doesn't have any transformations, because he could control his power, he never needed to repress it
I didn't think it was necessary to mention this because it has nothing to do with King Cold.
are you sure about that?
how do we know king cold isn't just in a suppressed form too?
like cooler was, so was frieza, what makes you think king cold wasn't?
im not trying to start a fight im just asking.
@@QaamansLand
like you are great at giving evidence.
so give me evidence too, so i know where its said that king cold isn't in a suppressed form, because from what i've seen everything else points to the contrary.
like i said im not trying to fight i legit want to know.
@@Nightout88 well, Cooler wasn't in a supressed form when you first see him, but in his normal/final form. after which he can transform.
as for if Cold isn't suppressed, if he was, then he could have transformed in the time he took to inspect Trunk's sword.
Freeza's final form is his original form and that's exactly why King cold must be in a transformed state already, otherwise he would look similar to Freeza's and Coolas final/original forms... Freeza and Coola are essentially clones of King cold, that's what Asexual reproduction is, there's no other genetics being added so its basically a clone. This means that King cold is definitely capable of transforming
My logic for why King Cold can’t transform: Because if he was able to do so after seeing Freiza get easily killed by Trunks, then naturally he would’ve thought “Oh no, my powerful son got killed, I need to go full power to survive” and then done so. But that didn’t happen, so we’re chillin with what happened
Yeah that's just an argument fallacy though, just because you didn't see someone do something, that isn't confirmation that they're not capable of doing it... you never seen me do a backflip, so does that mean i cant do a backflip or what? 😅 you see the flaw in that logic?
Nah, Freiza took awhile to transform and Trunks basically had him cornered with one blast away from death, so King Cold didn't have time.
@@kooyah6420 not only did he not have time to transform, but he didn't even think Trunks was stronger than himself or Freeza, he clearly states that he doesn't think Trunks would have killed Freeza without the sword... And King cold can't sense power levels, so he couldn't tell that Trunks was actually stronger than Freeza and that the sword had nothing to do with it... Cold didn't even think anyone could actually be stronger than Freeza and himself
I mean, Frieza had to ask Goku to WAIT for him to power up. So King Cold might have realized that if it took all of that time, it would have left more of an opening for a killing blow than just fighting as is
@@reptilian_geneticist Your backflip analogy is flawed, not gonna lie.
Fact is, until Toriyama says otherwise, King Cold has no other transformations. No ‘Ifs’, ‘ands’, or ‘buts.’
Anything else is just head-canon/fanfiction.
It's a fun idea. Either he was in that form because he had more control or he didn't have the power to suppress as far down as his son. The actual reason is that he was there to shock the cast and then hype up Trunks, and Toriyama never would have thought about it either way. I like that if anyone wanted to write him back in, there's that loophole that maybe he died prior to being allowed to transform, even in the original Goku fight. It wouldn't be believable because it's Goku. But you could do it.
you could just say that goku knew he couldn’t take them both so he first killed final form frieza then killed cold after letting him transform
i think its that he liked towering over his minions and have a physically more imposing form. King Cold wasn't as violent as his son, he never killed his minions to keep them in line he chose to look massive and intimidating and he probably has been in that form for so long it may take him a while to gather the ki to unlock his less suppressed form or resume his true form
Because Freiza's true form is his physically smallest, least visually intimidating form, I always assumed that Freiza's species originally possessed the ability to transform for intimidation purposes. Only Freiza himself used the transformation to suppress his tremendous power, every other member of his species either used the transformations in order to appear menacing, or stayed in their natural form most of the time (like Cooler). Thus King Cold didn't transform to fight Trunks because his other forms weren't any more powerful, they are just cosmetically different.
Thats a very neat point. I like it. Cold likely used his second transformation to command respect of the saiyans who firmly believe "hes big he must be strong".
Thats a very neat point. I like it. Cold likely used his second transformation to command respect of the saiyans who firmly believe "hes big he must be strong".
He also says when he transformed into Golden Frieza that he deliberately choose Gold as the color he transformed into. That does support your theory that Frieza's race can and does choose the look of their transformations. With second and third form being used for intimidation mainly (explaining why third form Frieza is so grotesque), while Final form is his original form, which is preferable due to smaller size both in width and height than anything. More agile, but still just as powerful, and dropping the horns to be more streamline. Human fighters are always more lean and toned, not big and bulky afterall.
But King Cold changed it for intimidation, while Frieza changed his form for power control and intimidation if needed.
As I've gotten older, I realized King Cold's potential isn't really massive as much as I thought it was as a kid. He truly was just a business man/negotiator (even trying to negotiate with Trunks in death), not really a fighter & doesn't exhibit those violent tendencies like his son that he double-downed on in Super. The only thing that has me a little curious is how he is able to make so many connections to where he is able to be aware of Majin Buu & Beerus. I personally think he's made dealings with Beerus (maybe finding a way for him not to kill Frieza by bribing him), or some of the different gods who rule other parts of the universe.
Remind me, when did King Cold mention Buu? I honestly forgot and will look it up.
@QaamansLand it was a quote from Frieza in the Revival of F movie after he was put together. He was told by his father to never fight Buu & Beerus
@@QaamansLandyou should make a video on it
In dragonball fighterz one of friezas win quotes is along the lines of "youre the first person to kick dust on me since father" suggesting that king cold is powerful at least way back then
But it is a non cannon videogame at the end of the day
@@QaamansLand frieza mentioned Buu after Sorbet talking about how he defeated Buu and fougth Beerus and Frieza said: "Buu? My dad told me to never mess with those two"
Still a shame he didn't get more screentime, King Cold's design is cool as well as his demeanor.. and the idea of Frieza but more calculated and ruthless, bypassing all the nonsense and getting the job done would be extremely dangerous.
There should of been a whole arc with Cold, Frieza and Cooler vs the Z fighters.
@@justinarzola4584 fan service
@@FazeRustyNuts yeah whatever,,but it's better than Cold just being a joke that's immediately forgotten after Trunks serves him.
@@justinarzola4584 King Cold isn't a joke 💀 he's just as strong as Frieza it was confirmed, obviously not forgotten either if he was mentioned later on by Frieza and us watching a literal video made on him
@@FazeRustyNuts he definitely wasn't as strong as Frieza, at least at that point in the story,Trunks had an even easier time taking him out than Frieza who was even weaker than he was on Namek,( I think Trunks just wanted Frieza to feel some fear of seeing a Super Sayain after Goku before he went to work on him),not to mention Cold didn't seem to have a healing factor after trunks shot him or even the ability of transformations like Cooler and Frieza,heck the fact Cold died easy against Trunk's blast while Frieza survived both a Spirit Bomb and Kamehameha is enough proof.
Okay, the way I always thought about this was
King Cold didn’t have enough time to transform, and he had a feeling that if he did (thanks to trunks’ no BS attitude) trunks would kill him mid-transformation or in his 3rd form. Not to mention he would also have to power up to 100% and it seemed pretty hopeless. His best move was bribery or hoping to catch him off guard
exactly, just think how quick he died in a fight, he may have been eons stronger than his son but King cold died within 30 seconds, no way he would have had time to gather the ki to unlock his stronger forms
Frieza came first. Frieza was lonely and created his own dad.
I was under the impression that the 4th/final form were races' original forms, and Frieza made forms to limit his power
Yes, Frieza did but we don't know about King Cold.
@QaamansLand but if Frieza was produced asexually from his father than his father has to have that form too.
@@amilyon553They are mutants,their genes dont have to work like us.
Frieza is too small regardless,King Cold is 12 feet tall,even in his second form Frieza is tiny compared to that
dildo is true one
@@QaamansLandyes it is the final form of Frieza's species they all have the same suppressed and final forms, King Cold could transform he just didnt have the time to transform. remember it took great effort for frieza to transform as it took effort to gather the ki to transform, there's no way king cold would be able to buy time to transform and after frieza was killed King Cold became very arrogant and rather than try to gather ki he made an assumption that the sword had a special property of being able to cut through anything including an SSJ1 and not realize that Trunks was imbuing the sword with his ki so it could cut through anything
simply put it seems with the Ki imprecise rudimentary control frieza and his father had it would have taken them some time and effort to gather the ki to transform, Trunks did not give him that time, it isnt his style which is exemplified in the android and cell saga and Trunks probably knew King Cold could transform which is why he chose to kill him right away when the sword attempt failed, better to kill an enemy when weak then when they're strong
in a nutshell King Cold had no time at all to gather the ki and initiate the transformations as any attempt would get him killed regardless before he had enough power to survive any attack his enemy in the altered timeline being trunks would make. remember that frieza's form is the original form and every other form is a suppressed form to limit their power and King Cold is in a suppressed form.
the reason King cold uses that specific suppressed form is actually well within his personality and style, King Cold loves the theatrics and intimidation of that form, he is as powerful as maximum power frieza in that form and the fact that it is a suppressed form means that King Cold is actually very very powerful in his own right, logically he would have had some training to ensure that he was able to destroy any threat the form itself also ensured his minions and thugs look up to him and he looked down on them and they around him would naturally know by his size that they were all under his heel allways and forever. frieza didnt care for that if he needed to motivate his gang he would just kill one of his minions as an example of what failure looks like since Frieza is much more violent than his father
PUT HIM ON BLAST
Gotta Final Flash their ass
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I think he did this the right way, I am very proud of Quamnn for being bigger not doing so
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One thing i read is that Frieza forms arent like Transformations but contentions to his power, his original being the final form, which could be right but i am not sure If it's canon but one thing we should look at is that even if Cold could transform it's implied that no matter what Frieza is stronger than him because it's been confirmed that Frieza is stronger
Your right it is cannon and I think Q 4got because that changes his whole video especially with. Frieza being produced asexually meaning he a clone of his father
You're definitely right his final form is his actual base form all the other 3 forms aside from 100% Full Power and golden are power suppressors because his body can't handle his raw power so he created those forms just so that he can exist and there maybe a similar situation for king cold however king cold could also be considered lazy and also the fact that he retired from fighting for awhile he could've been very rusty similar to what happened to gohan in resurrection F where he almost forgot how to go super saiyan. But for the most part frieza's base power was too much for his body to handle, cooler may have mastered his high base power but then again before hand he was slightly weaker than frieza originally "frieza was a formidable opponent and he definitely had the edge" and since cooler actually fought frieza ge got his 5th form being pushed to his limits by frieza as cooler stated that he discovered the 5th form as a result
Cold was in Frieza's second form, and i doubt he can transform like Frieza or Cooler.
I always theorized that cold couldn't transform because freeza was a mutation in his own race resulting in the enormous power and needing to suppress himself, made the 3 weaker forms.
I think he could transform but was just killed before he had the chance to. It was more in line with his character to use diplomacy over brute strength. On top of the fact that King Cold was aging and was probably rusty, so he couldn’t transform as easily as he could during his youth. Just my speculation of course, i don’t actually know.
When they landed on Earth (Frieza and Cold) ,the Z warriors stated that there was 2 power level of around the same force in the ship in it (Since Mecha-Frieza had a power level of 240 000 000 (Well he has no official power level ,the last one official was Goku SSJ 1 with 150 000 000 on Namek) but he was stated to be twice stronger than previously so since he was at 120 000 000 in Final Form 100% ,it is assumed that he was at 240 000 000 as Mecha-Frieza on Earth so Cold (2nd form) on Earth should also be around 240 Millions) .
In an interview ,when the journalist asked Toriyama how strong would Cold Final Form be ,Toriyama responded that he would be as strong as Android 18 and 17 .
If we apply the same multiplicator as Frieza's form (530 000 -> 1 060 000 (+100%) -> 1 590 000 (+50%) -> 60 000 000 (+3 673,58%) -> 120 000 000 (+100%))
It would be 120 000 000 -> 240 000 000 -> 360 000 000 -> 13 584 888 000 -> 27 169 776 000
I was always under the impression that the 4th form was the "true" one for Freeza's species. He did say that forms 1-3 were just there to suppress his powers and conserve energy. Freeza liked hanging out in his first form, so perhaps King Cold liked hanging out in his 2nd form (assuming he even has a 1st form like Freeza does). It's kind of like how we didn't see some of the Saiyan characters turn into Great Apes but we know they could.
Of course this is Toriyama we're talking about so it's unlikely we'll ever get a straight answer.
it is but King cold like the intimidation, theatrics and having everyone beneath him that his second suppressed form has. simply put he never saw the need to transform and when he fought trunks and goku in the original and altered timelines King cold was never given time to gather up ki to transform. unlike goku and Vegeta King Cold didn't have their precise ki control so he would need to gather his ki whereas goku and Vegeta typically keep their ki levels just below the transformation line so they can transform at the drop of a hat.
King cold also loved that his second suppressed form's height let him look down on everyone. around him his minions all knew their place under Cold's heel. its different with Frieza who basically kept his thugs in line by having them know if they fail they're dead and he would make an example of those who fail him by killing them, he is much more violent than his father
Thanks for another awesome video!
Thanks but it's 12 minutes long and has been uploaded for 4...
It just came out 😭
It is entirely possible that King Cold CAN transform, but it isn't stronger. Maybe he trained in his second form to be taller and more imposing. I think it's stated that final form Frieza is actually the form he was born in and he uses the transformations to suppress his power, so it might not mean they're the same for all members of Frieza's race
The same can be said about Super Saiyan Cabba is equal to Super Saiyan Vegeta because they are both Super Saiyan. Transformations only multiply one's bass power and they're not a milestone of one's power.
And how much they multiply can vary from person to person
their transformations are all suppressed forms but its logical that King Cold didnt have the time as he died in under 30 seconds and King cold and his son did not have precise ki control so they would have had to gather up the ki to even transform, this is unlike goku and Vegeta who have pinpoint precise very disciplined ki control and always keep their ki just under the transformation line but also have the ability to gather ki in the background slowly without effort. this is why when he arrived he just stood there and the frieza force thugs all noticed Goku's power rising even though he was just standing there. King cold and frieza would never have that kind of control so it takes time for them to transform
@@fangslore9988 True, they don't have ki control, as in Super Frieza just states there was never a need to train, but you would think Cold would try at least, seeing Frieza get no diff'd by Trunk. Tbf, tricking Trunks out of his sword might have been the best shot he had, but in that case how much stronger would Cold's other forms be? Certainly less of an advantage than a weapon.
To reference Super again, Frieza wanted to be taller since he didn't seem threatening to many characters that can't sense ki, so Cold maybe favored that form to be larger and better command authority.
@@biffitup2525 one would think but King Cold arrogantly thought that no "monky" would ever be stronger than he or his son, and assumed that Trunks only won because of the sword and though that the sword may have some kind of inherent ability to kill things as strong as he and his son and thought it would be ironic to kill this "legendary super Saiyen" with his own sword. if King Cold could sense Ki he would know that Trunks' power easily eclipsed the power he had in his second form. and after the sword thing happened he realized, this warrior he was facing was about to kill him and he realized there was no possible way to win.
in the original timeline when Goku fought King Cold i would assume King Cold would have attempted to gather ki to transform but its very likely Goku would have toyed with him and frieza with instant transmission and would simply teleport to King Cold everytime Cold would gather Ki and made the process extremely difficult and would have also very quickly dispatched King Cold and Frieza. in the original timeline knowing how strong Frieza was, he would have surely made sure King Cold would not be able to transform either, that mistake pretty much sealed Namik's doom and he would ensure King Cold couldn't access his full power to protect the earth and he would have sensed that his friends were close by to the battle too
1. Given the scenario against trunks, if he could transform he would’ve
2. I kinda theorised that frieza chose the looks of his forms purposely, the xenomorph form was chosen so that his scary appearance made up for the power loss but he couldn’t control it so he chose to downgrade again but this time used his father as inspiration but still couldn’t control himself. But this theory got thrown away by frost.
If Colds 2nd was equivalent to frieza final form, do u know how frickin power colds final form would be😂
Then explain all Frieza forms then and your theory for each. All 7
@@QaamansLand well I explained 3rd and second, his first form is essentially a miniature version of his second king cold looking form. Final form is his regular looking form, 100%frieza is just him at full power. Golden is just Frieza mimicking super saiyan.
Black frieza is where it gets kinda tricky, it may be a bit out there but frieza witnessed UI Omen and MUI at the ToP. So I assume he was following the trend of frieza mimicking gokus forms. UI Omen had BLACK hair, MUI has GREYISH-WHITEISH hair, seeing this frieza simply copied it. MUI/Omen put goku as the top dog at the ToP, Black frieza puts frieza’s as the top dog currently.
@@karnage2948that’s a good theory
@@mr.patriotjolthanks, the more I think the black frieza one makes more sense to me
@@karnage2948 or maybe because Frieza watched the Boondocks and decided to get revitiligo, but able to turn it on and off lmao
Great video.
Good vid!
Here's a funny idea. What if King Kold's form is actually like Frieza's first form, making him super gigantic in his 2nd form?
Thank you for almost if not a decade of your work in the db community
Don't think we didn't notice the zoom in at 8:36 😂
What zoom in?
I think Frieza’s and King Cold’s motivations are fundamentally different as well. King Cold is more practical and complacent in a sense that he isn’t constantly being driven by his own ego the way Frieza is. Though all villains display a degree of antisocial behavior, Frieza leans a lot farther into narcissism than other villains with the 2 closest comparisons being early Vegeta and Cell who were both directly influenced by Frieza. Frieza thinks of everyone and everything as being beneath him but like a narcissist also craves their validation so his desire to display his superiority and achieve more power and transformations is more driven by ego than necessity. That’s the reason he acts so rashly in Super to get his revenge on Goku because all he can think about is the humiliation he felt and needing to reclaim his superiority
In my mind Cooler's existence " cannon" but the movie is not
GREAT QAAMAN VIDEO KING COLD EXPLAINING.
Cool video of course my friend qaaman
I believe that King Cold could transform, but his fear kept him from doing so. There's also the fact that, more than likely, Trunks wouldn't have given him the chance to do so. As a result, King Cold tried to kill trunks in a more practical manner as opposed to using brute force.
Yeah but at the same time, future goku definitely would’ve allowed king cold to transform (since it’s not in gokus character to just kill immediately). Despite this king cold still lost to goku meaning he likely never had another transformation.
@@extremelegendsupreme4596Bulma might have told Trunks all of Cold’s tricks too.
that and the fact trunks didnt even give him time to gether ki to transform. King Cold didnt even last 30 seconds
Made it here in the first 15. Great vid
But I just uploaded it. How could you have seen it yet? Lol
@@QaamansLandhe has the power to stop time.
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I think he does have transformations similar to Freeza but he uses his 2nd form because it's the tallest, most imposing. Cold definitely cares about appearances. Not only does he have the snazzy armor (which Freeza also wore but broke prior to transforming) but it even has the cape attached to it, something no one else has, not even his own son.
its really the intimidation value and the theatrics, the size ensures he looks down on everyone around him and all his minions have to literally look up when talking to him. its a lot like a sense of "you're talking to a giant" and that he can swat you away but also you know your place when he is there, you know you're beneath his heel always and forever whereas frieza is much more violent and is more willing to either shove his hand through the chest of those who he feels betrayed him or he'll just deathbeam them through the head and kill them instantly
on a side note while King Cold and Frieza both were tyrants and made their wealth by selling planets they did directly help a lot of people who would have died in a lot of these planet sales though 5 times out of 10 it was at the cost of the sentient inhabitants of those worlds so they aren't too evil in the grand scheme of things but they are still somewhat evil
I feel like you are the only one who understands King Cold, great video. I have always thought that Frieza picked his 2nd form to look like his father and his first form to look like a younger / smaller version of his father. Frost having the same forms was BS to me.
gota love seeing an whole video explaining how a dead guy who we will bassicaly never see again could or couldnt put up more of a fight
I just always assumed king cold was in his second form because it just makes intuitive sense
Both frieza and cooler are smaller in their "final form" and beef up in their 100% form which is coolers single transformation so I like to think that king cold simply always stayed in that suppressed second form because it made him a more physically intimidating ruler due to being able to tower over everyone
king cold is in his second form, he just never needed his stronger forms
Imagine sitting down to this at a dinner to that friendly guy who wants to share his thoughts on something with you.
Huh?
I always thought he didnt bother transforming because he seen how easy his more powerful son got killed so he tried to talk and get the sword which he thought was making trunks stronger and if he started transforming obviously that would tip trunks off to his plan to trick him by talking
You’d think they would all look like first form friezas and all learned to develop new forms and king cold just happened to stop at his second firm. Although that kinda suggests that he would be wayyy more powerful than his sons and we know that frieza’s final form is his regular
I always thought that K. Cold can transform and that the form we see is the final one. Otherwise why would he be in panic against Trunks if he had more transformations? To be fair he was right about the idea of blowing up Earth from far away because listening to Freeza brought their deaths. If we consider Cooler for a sec than they are with the same style of no bullshit just business. Freeza underestimate every enemy besides the fact that he is wasting time. One of the things that was weird to me in his revival movie- He said that if he trains for 4 months he can reach 1.3 M when by now he should be far above it. I think K. Cold was stronger than Freeza at the time but simply gave the stage to his son for boosting his confidence.
King C.*
King cold can transform and prefered his 2nd form. unfortunatly when he fought Trunks he realized he that he was moments from dying he didnt have time to transform, he didnt have time to counter attack or block the attack he didnt have time to retreat or escape. he froze because all his options resulted in death, he foolishly and arogantly thought the only way Trunks defeated frieza was the sword since he couldn't sense power levels, and he wanted to see if the sword was a powerful as he thought but when it failed and trunks put his hand on Cold, yeah the ex-tyrant realized not nothing he could do would result in a victory because he had no time
@@fangslore9988 What are you basing it on that K. Cold can transform more than what we see? Yes he was arrogant and stupid I agree it brought his downfall. I just think that if he could transform further, once he saw Freeza getting killed he would say to himself "This guy means business I better transform for safety measures." There is no evidence anywhere that K. Cold can transform further than what we see unless you have such.
@@eranshachar9954 Frieza's final form is their species true form though, so its logic but trunks never gave King cold to gather the ki to transform. trunks isnt that foolish, he humored King Cold but knew what he planned to do through gaging his personality. then he immediately put his hand on Cold's chest who knew what was about to happen and thus time became his enemy, he was going to die and he froze because he had 0 options available then Trunks blasted a hole in Cold's chest mere seconds later. to transform he would have needed more time than he had available to him. Goku and Vegeta always keep their ki just below the necessary level to transform which is why they can at a drop of a hat. King Cold and Frieza dont have that level of Ki control.
really the point is moot because while on a biological point yes he would have had other transformations, but did he use them no simply because he had no time in universe and out of universe Toriyama probably forgot or simply chose to keep King Cold in that form because he wanted King Cold to meet a quick death so the logically he ensured that Trunks simply didn't let it happen he obviously knew about it which is why he was so quick to finish off king cold right after blocking the sword.
the whole "did king cold have the ability to transform" falls under "why didnt King cold attack with ki blasts rather than try to use the sword" we dont see King cold use ki blasts but that doesn't mean he didnt know how to use them. in the end king cold was given a swift kill rather than time to prolong the fight. and many also would say "couldnt king Cold power up while frieza fought?" the answer to that is that he cannot sense ki levels so he assumed Trunks was much weaker than his son and that it was only the sword's power that led to Frieza's death, and it was only when Trunks grabbed the sword blade King Cold realized the immense gravity that was Trunk's power and he knew that he was going to die regardless of any choice he would attempt in trying to survive or power up. unlike frieza King cold was a much more cautious and seasoned fighter he knew when he was in an unwinable situation and that was the fight between him and trunks if you want to call it that
This is a great question I always thought he was a tool, definitely gonna ask my audience the same question thanks for this
I’d like to think that since he was the strongest mortal in the universe for a long time, he mastered his power as he aged. Transforming for him would be nothing more than show.
i like to think that he liked his 2nd form just because of its size
I still thinking cold, deserves more time to shine in the story
Cell joined conversation.... "Vegeta, get your kid" lmao
I have two ideas, perhaps King Cold wasn't anywhere near as gifted as his son was maybe Frieza was a more advanced version of his father's dna and Cold just was at his limit which would explain why he was so stunned by Frieza's defeat on Namek and after on earth, or Cold simply hadn't even thought about increasing his body and never learned he was capable of being like that of Frieza's power and transformations to increase his strength and as Frieza stated he was born a prodigy and never bothered to train like Frieza, Cold was probably to lazy and arrogant with his own power never bothered himself, though it would have been a cool thing for the show even as a non cannon film to have him transform against an ssj 2 Vegeta or Goku also nice choice of clips and manga columns for this vid mate 👍💯
EpicNate is that you? DBZ and Skyrim?? Went a couple notches up in my book 😁
Hey Qaaman, Does Frieza Have A Mommy?
can you do a video about kuriza
Cold either didn't have a transformation, was already in his "true" form, or felt that higher transformations would make no difference because Trunks was too powerful. Commenting on the movie quote, I think it meant that Frieza would just transform to his 2nd form to look taller, which resembled the form his father had, instead of hinting that Cold has a higher form. Also, I guess Cold would had just given the ability to transform or repress powers to his offspring. It would've been cool to have explored and developed Cold's character and powers more in DBZ.
This comment has nothing to do with Cold but when you said Frieza could have found his transformations, it kinda confused me for a bit. Because didn't Frieza say that he chose the Golden forms appearance, so wouldn't that mean he chose his other form's appearances too?
I would like to see the story of King Cold...
what if, i htink i remeber frieza saying he had to surpass his forms cause they were to powerful etc, so what if why king cold doesn't go beyond second form is that he cant its to powerful for his body etc
There are no official statements about whether King Cold can transform or not. The closest thing we have is a a blurb from the 'Dragon Book' that states that "King Cold appears to be the type to transform". Toriyama did state himself that King Cold is "a mutant with an abnormally high power level" and that Frieza was "still in possession of the mutant traits". Of course we don't really know what 'mutant' means in this context, it may or may not be referring to the ability to transform and perhaps is just stating that Cold and Frieza have high power in general.
Until we get any further explanation, my personal headcanon is that King Cold does have (at least) as many transformations as Frieza, but remains in his 'second form' due to the intimidating appearance and because he **needs** to suppress his full power, due to his advanced age. Perhaps in the days of his youth, and the days in which he established his empire, he utilized his 'final form', which I theorize is at the very least, even more powerful than Kaioshin (which would explain why Cold told Frieza about not messing with Buu and Beerus but didn't bother to mention Kaioshin). Perhaps in the past, King Cold had a run in with Kaioshin and nearly defeated him until Beerus stepped in and threatened him, afterwards making a deal; that so long as Cold doesn't mess with Kaioshin (and Kaioshin doesn't interfere with Cold or his empire), he can freely do as he wishes throughout the universe - so long as he makes sure to destroy very specific worlds at certain times, thereby doing Beerus's own job for him (and allowing Beerus to take even longer naps).
But as the decades (perhaps centuries? Millenia?) passed, King Cold's body became unable to maintain his full power without running the risk of destroying his body, so he used transformations in order to suppress his power, eventually resting on his 'second form'. This form was still more than powerful enough to ensure that no mortal at the time could even come close to him - save for one, his son, whom he created to be the eventual successor to his empire. Even in Cold's suppressed 'second' form, he was still slightly more powerful than Frieza (at the time), which was to ensure that Frieza wouldn't betray him and try to kill him - which Frieza would have likely tried to do so, going by statements he made in 'Resurrection F' and Super about hating being "bossed around" and ultimately glad his father was dead.
Of course we all know that in retrospect, Frieza had far more 'potential' than Cold, which wasn't fully realized until after his resurrection (which is honestly a huge plot hole). Perhaps Frieza's own offspring would also have more potential than him as well, and so on. But the pride of the 'Cold family' means that they probably wouldn't even *want* to have a child who could potentially overthrow them - at least not until they are very old and need a successor.
8:36 Noice... Also, Cooler looks like a Yugioh summon in that close up XD
Fused in a Jojo kind of art
Qaaman your videos are fun
Reason?
gonna return to this
but I just gotta wonder what the differences between 2nd stage Frieza and King Cold if you put them side by side
which leads into the next thought; if King Cold is just visually different (without unique armor) by wrinkles... what would an old age Frieza race look like?
A: Because he cant
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This could also imply that Cold has an easier time controlling his strength than his sons. Since he seems to always be at full power.
dang... my impression was that the frost clan had the ability to somewhat tailor their forms to their liking.
I remember hearing somewhere that Frieza has mentioned that he uses his 1st form because it's more comfortable, and not blowing up the expensive scouters constantly by accident is probably a bonus.
It would make sense that they are able to adapt their bodies to different circumstances and as they grow more powerful their biology feels the need to morph and adapt a more efficient form to harness that power. Frieza is a prodigy compared to his father and while King Cold is powerful, his body may never have had the need to change past the 'second form'
If king Cold got stronger like Frieza I can see him having a silver form.
Qaaman another W Upload I've been tuned into the channel since i was in Middle school now I'm like Adult Gohan viewing the channel .
(P.S) Also Goku could simply solar flare king cold pummel frieza and try to obliterate frieza with a Kamehameha wave or angry Kamehameha he did during nameik
There was a interview with Akira Toriyama. Where he stated that King Cold had more forms. Also, his true form was around the same level as Cell's final form.
Bro that final form king cold thumbnail is so fucking cursed 😭
Huh?
@@QaamansLand Talking about the thumbnail with king cold
Also it's entirely possible that Frieza created his forms himself,as Is the case with cooler
And his "5th form" and the fact the golden form is only technically a form because frieza wanted something to show off the grand scale of his training so he made a gold form
That ain’t no king cold, that’s cold.
here is the thing Frieza's 4th form is really his true form so cold can't have a second form without having a true form to begin with
I cannot possibly be the only person that knows in my heart that trunks new wholeheartedly what king cold was going to do he just didn't care
my theory is frieza uses the other form to suppress his power for scouter technology. obviously the whole frieza force use them and they blow up pretty easily this would explain why frieza new the exact power level of each form
It's actually stated in official source material that King Cold can transform like Frieza. But it is heavily implied he is in his original form rather than his 2nd suppressed form and that Frieza dedicated his 2nd suppressed form to his father's original form.
Where is it stated
This would debunk qaaman
But he can still create new forms like frieza did.
@@chabbab6698 I think in shonun jump or dragon book. I saw it on another video. An official material that basically says he can transform.
@@basicbodybuilding Well because they're an asexual race it's heavily implied yes. Though his suppressed forms likely look different to that of Frieza. But not too different since they are asexual. Probably the equivalent of frost, like the 3rd form might have spikes or might not. That sort of variance. And different colours.
The reason king cold doesn't transform is that in their species has hyper-evolved to have niche transformations. What this means is that yes every member of his race can transform. However each transformation does have its merits and difficulties. Namely we can state this because it means that each member of the race has a form in which they are accustom to. Before I address each of the forms I should mention one key note about Toriyama's magic system aka ki and powerlevels. Ki is the energy of life, power levels read the overall parameters of life. Meaning the scouters read based on the amount of energy the target unleashes in that moment. From the farmer who had a power level of 2. Meant that ate that moment his power level was 2. I say this because power levels aren't ki. Power levels just show the status of ki, a subtle but important thing to know. In summary think of power levels as the overall limit of how much energy you can produce. If the most energy you can produce is 1,000 then throughout the day every action utilizes energy so it can steadily decline. Said this your power level can also temporarily go above your limit of 1,000. I say temporary cause most organisms have a limiter in their genes. Breaking this limiter causes an awakening of some kind, but it is unnatural to body and causes incredible strain.
Why did I mention of all of this before discussing Freiza forms. Well it's simple we know the min and max amount of energy Frieza can do. In his first form he stated it stands around 530,000, with that he managed to destroy the saiyan planet. What many fans forget is that once Frieza uses up that energy it takes time for him to build back. We know that Frieza declared his power level is million. However, we also know Frieza is braggart so he always saves a bit of power so let's push it to 1.5 million. For Frieza to go from 530,000 to a 1.5 million is impossible unless his transforms. Upon his second form we see him spend energy to trigger the transformation. We know mass can't be gained from nothing. So Frieza metabolizes his own energy to forcibly evolve. Now what many people won't understand is that such a transformation is exceedingly painful and troublesome. It appears as his body is evolving to the next state that can handle his power. This makes sense when applying it to his third form. Which due to its larger head allows it be the smartest of his forms, and is the fastest. Frieza was able to unleash multiple death beams at once. Normally for him a single death beam is enough to use multiple also take his energy. Frieza final form was one that caught me off guard and took a while before I realized what was going on. Frieza's final form is created by expanding his exoskeleton throughout his entire body. An exoskeleton that can survive the vacuum of space, severe winds and heat. It's this that is Frieza greatest strength. Maintaining a fully body exoskeleton would require tons of energy. I believe when Frieza boasted that his power level often meant when scounters read his transformations the numbers would've been excessively high.
Now we can finally address King Cold. As we saw throughout the story King Cold created the empire long before Frieza was even born. He stated that he would leave everything to Frieza. Given King Cold's brief statements we can tell he is calm, rational, and authoritative. Less of a tyrant like Frieza, but an actual King. As such he delegates his thoughts in order to achieve the most efficient tactics. Choosing his second form to maintain works on many levels, especially psychological. If we humans suddenly saw a ten-foot overly muscular being, backed by soldiers and alien technology logically we would submit. After all no mere human can overcome such physical truths. King Cold uses his second form simply as a means of intimidation, then with his sharp tongue and rational mindset, he can conquer planets. By maintaining his second form we see that he is much larger than Frieza. So the longer one remains in whatever form they become more accustomed to. Knowing all of this it makes sense why King Cold used Frieza as he did. He made Frieza literally into his nuke. Repeatedly cycling through forms is stressful on the body. Repetition of this would steadily increase your overall power level. This also means when you devolve you will have excess energy to burn allowing for powerful ki attacks.
Now applying this thought to humans. If humans could accomplish what Frost Demons can do. Would mean that we could alter our height, weight and metabolism at will. So let's say resources are abundant we can take up fully grown adult bodies. Whilst we live in that form our bodies we could use to a certain amount calories we burn naturally. Then if resources disappaer or the environment becomes harsh we wouldn't worry. For as we would be able to condense our height and weight. Due to bones being more complex than muscle and fat. We would have larger heads, but as we kept up this process we could reduce it for more energy. Yet the larger heads would allow us to reason more effectively. Eventually resources would start coming back. Logically the earlier you can get resources the greater the means for survival. We would prioritize a form that is physical daunting produce solely muscle fibers. It is this form that would make one able to challenge any competition. Finally once one is ready to reproduce asexually they will require a form that utilizes energy efficiently. By burning all the excess muscles we would eventually reach a form that is child like. Yet this form would boast the highest energy release. If the condtions and timing is adequate to superb a spawn could be made.
To conclude my analysis I would simply state Toyotaro is incredibly skilled, but lacks imagination. Instead of adding more he could've further establish Toriyama's world building instead conflict with it. It shows that some fans like anime, some like manga, myself I like the creator of the story. As such it would do justice if more races in Dragon Ball get more attention. If they created a Dragon Ball: Empire. Showing how King Cold built his empire and how he trained Frieza to make full use of each form would've been excellent way to create a new fan base entirely. Cause saiyans aren't the only thing that makes Dragon Ball. We could see various frost demons with unique final forms that best fits themselves. Like one that kept the hardened spikes forming blades for cutting attacks. Perhaps others with greater exoskeletons forming armor. Like we see in Universe six, Frosts final form produces a highly potent paralytic nerve agent. Given their theme we could base their country on Rome. Where their species would travel to other worlds dominating, all lead by King Cold's ancestor. They would allow prisoners to fight for their freedom in coliseums. This would be an excellent way of introducing a Saiyan for the first to their species. Maybe this could be were the legend of Yamoshi truly began. That within the coliseums many saiyans would fight any for survival. That if a Saiyan loses they would have their tails cut off, showing great dishonor. As we saw in the imagery the first super saiyan god still had a tail, and Vegeta hair style. In fact I would design Yamoshi as being a blend of all the Saiyans. Born with a high power level and intelligence like Vegeta. Known for incredible Zenkai and Rage to adapt mid fight like Broly. Yet has a cheerful disposition and enjoys helping others like Goku. That eventually could have built a small army to rebel. However this would introduce Yamoshi character flaw that he likes the Coliseums cause he was born into it. As many were prisoners that remember better days. All Yamoshi would know is combat and nothing else. Then when his comrades would use him as symbol of their freedom. Forcing Yamoshi between a rock and hardspace. Does he stay obedient and continue the life he has always known or does it risk everything for a dream. It would eat away at him.
Sincerly thanks I wanted to list all my thoughts cause frankly when I write less people believe than understand my thinking instead and make assumptions. With this any who reads this can add or offer constructive criticism to hone it.
Maybe in the upcoming arcs they can recon it.
Maybe have Frieza talk about the history of his transformations, saying something like "im the only member of my family that can transform" (cooler not cannon.
Then we can finally put this question to rest.
Not too sure but didnt in the episode where frieza was coming to earth someone had stated that two large power levels were headed toward earth one being frieza and the other being unknown but more powerful? (Cold) correct me if I'm wrong
Anyone know what Frieza/King Cold/Cooler's race is called?
We need to take im consideration that the king cold we met it's one that fought against Trunks, but on the og line Goku was the one who had to fight both, and Goku like Vegeta do often likes their opponent to show their "real strenght" not big surprise if he showed his power against Goku but as was stated, it is not strong as frieza is
correct me if im wrong isn't the true form the final one and all the others suppressed forms, so then king cold is just in a suppressed form aswell, they aren't power ups like the full power mode frieza they are "suppressants forms" so frieza doesn't nuke everything on contact.
I didn't mention this because it's unnecessary.
@4:51 true but this is TRUNKS and he doesn't play any games.
the first thing he did when he saw [presant] 18 and 17 was try and blow them up.
so who's to say he wouldn't have done the same to king cold.
z future trunks doesn't play any games.
@5:31 ok see NOW that i can see, goku absolutely plays stupid games.
he will sit and let his enemies power up.
so that i can see.
Nah, Trunks ain't waiting for nobody. Also, nice vid :)
My theory is that king cold simply found a way to use all of his power in any transformation that he wants and just prefers being in his second form.
Your theory is definitely wrong, that’s his original form.
Keep in mind he asked to hold trunks sword so he can fight with it because he thought it gives him more power if he wanted to transform he would but he didn’t because thats his full power 🤦🏾♂️
@@isaiahnavarro8268 you don’t understand what I said, my explanation for king cold is that he CAN TRANSFORM BUT king cold has the ability to use his full 100 percent power in any form that he wants, and he chooses his second form.basically meaning that king colds “transformations” don’t make him stronger at all.
I think you made several logical mistakes here:
- it was canonically stated Freeza actually transformed _down_ from his 4th Form.
- Future Trunks literally 2-shot both mecha Freeza and 2nd Form Cold. He was that far ahead of both.
- Yardrat Goku was blocking future Trunks sword with a single finger. He was that far ahead of future Trunks
- If there is one DBZ character that wouldn't let Cold transform, it is Future Trunks. Just ask Semi Perfect Cell.
- King Cold 2nd Form was stated as on par with Mecha Freeza. No way he didn't have the next two forms if he was that strong in 2nd
- Just because Cold is stronger, doesn't mean he is interested in conquering the Universe. He lets his Son play at that.
With all that, I think:
- King Cold absolutely could transform
- Future Trunks absolutely would not have let him. He was talking only due to a lack of hostile actions by Cold
- King Cold knew he would get killed if he tried. So the sword gambit was his best bet at that moment. And he was arrogant enough to believe he would manage it with the sword
- King Cold still would have lost to Yardrat Goku, 4th Form or not. By this point the family was just a walking Worf Effect.
Trunks asked him if he felt in charge and Cold started squatting bricks.
Get him!!
Who?
@@QaamansLand king cold 🤢
Theory: Friezas species are like certain species of insect with multiple metamorphosis into different instars. First form is a larval form, final form is the adult form. Frieza transforms into back into his larval form to avoid learning how to control his power enough to not break everything around him. Cold only needs to transform back to 2nd form to maintain that sort of control.
Trunks was gifted back then, homie was casually ending arcs early
What if the transformation is similar to saiyan. Starts off with the first form (base form) - final form (his powered up form). And coolers final armor form is like brolys green hair.
I suspect that King Kold similar to Cooler stays in his final form but has one additional transformation.
the thumbnaill itself explained very well why
The earlier forms are there to suppress his races powers, frost and freeza did it and cooler was always in his true form, so i assume Cold could transform into his true form but just liked the second form as it seemed more imposing. They do kind of hint at this in the broly movie when sorbet asks freeza why he can't just transform into his second form to be taller, but freeza wanted to use the dragonballs obviously. Cold at that time had no knowledge of the dragonballs (as far as i know) so he probably just went along with sorbet's logic. Better to look big and imposing when ruling an empire no?
As for why he didn't transform against trunks, plot, that is all.
When they said Cold as strong as Freiza was in his 2nd form that made think that cold would have been a problem
8:36 important plot details here.
Huh?
Well some character has to resemble the Devil
Subliminal
Isn't the 4th form the base form for Frieza's race and other forms just to repress their power? I mean not the Cooler's form 5 but 1, 2 and 3?
Best explanation:
Tory Yama probably forgot that 😅
Even if cooler isnt canon, from perspective of him he has a new form stronger than the last form like friezas final form. Maybe they have the genes to gain new transformations and it depends i think maybe that form is last for king cold but different for freiza
6:50 hmm I wonder....
If they are near each other in power, and King Cold doesn't have the same mutations as Freeza.
Does this mean king cold trained. 🤔
Or was able to have way more power in a "lower" form than Freeza.
The reason I say "lower" is because I was under the impression that Freeza's 'Final Forms' was how he was born.
However, in Dragon Ball Super Broly, we see Freeza's 'First Form' has different colors, presumably indicating youth.
So, does the signs of youth stay as he made these lower forms.
Was that his actual form at birth.
🤔 which brings a further thought... what's the purpose of these weaker forms from a lote perspective 🤔
What does it for me is the character design. In all his other forms, Freiza looks pretty jagged, like he was carved form stone, however in his final form, he is smooth. Like cold solid marble. Same goes with Cooler, Forst, etc. King Cold still has the jagged design, meaning it is pretty likely that he is only in his second form. And that he knew he couldn’t transform without being killed by trunks mid-transformation or in his 3rd form.
Ok so my thinking for this has always gone as follows. So we know that for Frieza his form that looks like King Cold is his second form. But we also know that those extra forms are actually used to suppress Frieza's power and that his "final" form is actually his true form. So it always made sense to me(and I think you make a lot of the same points and just go the opposite direction to this) is that King Cold is in the same form Frieza had but just simply isn't as strong as Frieza so his most suppressed form is that form. So that means that even though he COULD potentially transform it just wouldn't have mattered in the fight with Trunks because he is so much more powerful than even Frieza that he stomps him without any effort(which is why King Cold assumed it was the sword giving him that power). So instead of the idea that King Cold took the sword because he had no other option it always made more sense to me that he had other transformations to get to the "true" form of Frieza's race but that they wouldn't have mattered since Trunks was so much stronger. So he kind of had to believe the sword was the key in a way because otherwise he stood no chance. Kind of like how not all Super Saiyans are the same power level when they first achieve it, I think it makes sense that not all members of Frieza's race have the same power in their true form. That is my thinking anyway. I could see it going either way but this has always been my thought process.
I always thought King Cold was wasted potential. They could've left him out there as a looming, smarter, more mature, if indistinct threat quite a bit longer. I mean they could still have Frieza go to Earth and get killed easily to make Trunks look cool and show how dangerous the androids would be, but man it would've been more interesting if Cold basically told Frieza that he'd be an idiot to go to Earth looking for a fight with the guy who beat him, only for him to go anyway and Cold later gets news Frieza was killed and is like "Foolish boy. I warned him. Looks like I must leave retirement. Best avoid Earth for now and keep it under surveillance. while I strengthen my position and myself. Their time will come; but patience... for now."
Bringing back Frieza in Super basically accomplished that same goal since he came back a million times stronger with a new mindset. On top of that you get Frieza who actually has history with everyone.
I think in the decision about friezas second form is him saying he would look like his daddy cause he hella do
We need a what if of king vegeta , Paragus and bardock fighting him
Trunks doesn't give a damn about waiting for transformations. He got that 17 energy
My headcanon was always that every member of friezas species has the final form, but not everyone gets weaker when they transform. King Cold is simply a rare example of a member of Friezas species that gets stronger by transforming instead of weaker.
many of their species didnt need to suppress their power as many were not as strong as him, frieza and his father were considered mutants because of their abnormally high ki levels but according to Toryiama their species have an insane battle potential but Frieza was a born warrior and naturally knew of ways to increase his overall power the most efficient way possible
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Seriously man just talk 😂
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