To be fair, if we assume the same thing happened with Trunks trying to stop Cell from becoming perfect after absorbing 18, Trunks probably couldn’t stop Cold from transforming. Trunks, despite being stronger than Semi Perfect Cell, was unable to stop him from becoming Perfect. Same thing could apply with King Cold transforming into his hypothetical final form.
@@rsync9490 The scenario you talked about happened before the scenario I was describing in my original comment. Yes, Vegeta did initially prevent Trunks from stopping Cell, but Trunks blasted him away and went back to stopping Cell. However, Cell used a Solar Flare and while Trunks was stunned, he absorbed 18. After Trunks recovered, he tried attacking Cell, but to no avail.
you're absolutely correct. to King Cold Trunks is a "lowly monkey" after all and was very arrogant and very ignorant when it came to their power gap. to King Cold, there is no way a Saiyan would have such power. only Frieza feared it and rightly so especially when he feared that a super Saiyan could eventually become a god and what greater powers could be beyond it, after all he feared that a super Saiyan god could be on Beerus' level or above it. King Cold on the other hand was just an ignorant mf who underestimated Trunks and let himself become arrogant and has an obvious superiority complex and a lot of racism towards Saiyans
Given the amount of powerful artifacts in Dragon Ball, Kold's assumption about Trunk's sword isn't bad in itself, it possibly could have been some kind of magical sword from his perspective, he just got it wrong is all.
King Cold is an arrogant and ignorant being who's racism and superiority complex made him assume no Saiyan could ever best him without some cheap trick like a magic sword
@@fangslore9988 Somewhat true, Kold did look down on them, though up to that point in time there was absolutely no president for him to think a saiyan could be that strong barring some old obscure legend. I'd call his attitude more akin to "Speciesism" than racism, but regardless, such attitudes toward a species like the Saiyans who themselves had an equally massive superiority complex and wanted to conquer, enslave and drown the the galaxy in blood is basically just the pot insulting the kettle. Frieza and Kold got what they deserved, and so did the Saiyans. Both sides were rotten to the core, the saiyans simply drew the short straw.. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Frieza or Kold wiped out their own species for being inferior to themselves since both of them were asexually reproducing unnaturally powerful mutant off-shoots of their own kind.
@@dreadrath *Cold but you are correct. there was never any way for King Cold to even consider this warrior race a true threat, none of them even came close to rivaling his true power or even his first form if he ever chose to assume it, and the whole idea of a super Saiyan to him was little more than just a legend. none existed and none would ever exist as far as he was concerned as to him it was little more than a legend concocted by primitives and only Frieza truly feared the legends. but Frieza did get his just deserts but he back in black
It makes sense why the guy with a superiority complex would choose to stay in the form that's the biggest. His ego led him to want that form so he could tower over and scare everyone, despite how inconvenient that form his, he barely fits in the spaceship and has to be uncomfortable in ships/houses. Frieza is confident he's the strongest so who cares how short he is in 1st form, nobody could beat him so he was secure looking that small
@@itsRhodi There is no argument. King Cold has no transformations and this is a fact not an opinion. It is nice to have fun with with it and pretend that's not the case it's not a serious theory. Trunks stomped King Cold and he would stomp King Cold any day of the week
I mean, if Cold just stayed in his 2nd form, he's still stronger than 99% of the universe. Personally, I think I'd be Chilling in the 2nd form anyway. 1st and 3rd forms look lame/too short, and being in 4th form made you too strong for everyday life. 2nd is the most optimal.
I honestly think that Cold doesn’t care to bother to correct his son when he mentions that he’s the strongest being in the universe. Especially when they’re both aware of Manjin Buu and Beerus.
I don’t think that you could use characters that were thought up later in the story and apply past statements to them as if they’ve always existed. By this logic Vegeta should be stronger than anyone because he claimed he was in the saiyan saga, despite the fact that he was basically Frieza’s b*tch.
Toriyama wasn't aware of Majin Buu or even Cell at that time, because when he was making Dragon Ball, he mostly made the story up as he went along, only planning certain things a couple chapters ahead of time, and the Android/Cell Saga was notoriously rife with editorial meddling. And Beerus wasn't even a notion until Dragon Ball's original run had been over for more than fifteen years.
Cold doesn’t correct him because Freeza>King Cold and at the time Freeza was the strongest in the universe bar Goku (and as they master found out Trunks). It’s not that hard.
I remember from an interview that Toryiama said that for the frieza family the offsprings are always stronger than the father in the same age and that they can adapt their body also to improve their combat abilities (proven by the golden and the black form). This fact in my personal theory means also that they can have a different final form than their ancestors due to an adaptation of their body: even if cold resembles freezer’s second form his body isn’t complete armored for example (looking at face, arms and legs) and meanwhile freezer’s transformation focus on energy using and speed (gradually larging and removing the armor), cold’s body probably focused on brute strength and resistance keeping part of the armor and making the real body underneath bigger in his final form.
thats not how it works, their final form isn't a power up stage its their original form, the other forms are restraint forms to power down, for frieza's race its reverse to saiyans
@@DioLT true though some have argued about it LMAO in the end Toriyama just wanted Cold and Frieza to finally be killed without them being a credible threat to the android and cell arc but also in the Manga it is never stated King Cold was weaker than Frieza
@@fangslore9988 I don't really know, I was just pointing out what they were saying. I always thought King Cold was stronger because Frieza mentions that he was the only one able to hurt him, but just didn't get how strong Trunks was and poof no one should care about that anymore xD power levels in anime in general are so inconsistent I stopped caring about it long ago
Butter said he was the fastest in universe when Ginyu Frieza and Cold existed. So maybe Frieza claiming to be the strongest isn’t too much of a long shot
Lol, I think Vegeta also said he was the strongest, back during the Saiyan saga… but I don’t recall if that’s in the manga too or just English dub anime.
@@lovesgibsonthe villains say a lot of things, king piccolo said he was going to take over the universe, cell said he could make a spirit bomb, Majin Buu told them he was going to turn them into chocolate and eat them, sometimes villains say things that they can't prove
@@rockk9753then come this green haired madman speaking like a caveman and making loud noises. The heck were all these villains thinking when they talk?
At one point even Cell was called a God of Destruction (I'm not sure about the manga though since it was just in the anime title). I don't think many claims are that reliable.
How about Cold, as an elder member of his race, has achieved a state where he can maintain his full power in the form he likes the most. He probablly likes to live in his second form, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s weaker because of it.
honestly? i’m convinced the form we see him in is his last and only form. From what we saw, members of Frieza's race have a different number of transformations, and the ones they create are customizable, (notably, with training Frieza developed evolutions, which had colors of his choice, endorsing the fact they got the ability to choose how their forms will look). Although the rest of characters, cooler included are not canon, they all understood the principle that they didn’t necessarily have the same forms as Frieza. With Cooler having only his base and his transformation.
frieza did say he made those forms to handle his own immense power, if broly could do that i think vegeta (the king) wouldn’t have tried to murder the planet-busting threat that would’ve destroyed vegeta (the planet) and in the process killing vegeta (the king) and vegeta (the prince)
@@spotty530 They create form of reduction ,Cooler trained to be able to use his base form constantly (To like ,control his energy) ,he even managed to make a form of augmentation ,their base form always have this roundy polished shape ,here Cold is in probably in a reduction form too (Being also older ,he can probably control his energy better than Frieza due to more experience thus he wouldn't need to use a 3rd reduction form + in his race the older they get ,the more powerful they become ,on top of them already having immense power compared to other lifeform ,of course they don't bother training like Frieza did in Super) . And there was this interview were someone asked Toriyama how strong would Cold be in his Final Form 100% ,he responded that he would as strong as the C-18 and C-17 ,thanks to that ,you can kinda make an hypothesis on their strength (C-18/C-17/Piccolo fused with Kami) in units . The last 2 official power level we ever got were Frieza Final Form 100% (At 120 000 000) and Goku SSJ1 (At 150 000 000) , after that when Frieza and Cold got to Earth ,the Z-Fighter assumed Frieza to be twice stronger and that there was a comparable power next to him (So we can assume Cold at 240 000 000) so multiply by 1,5 for a Cold in the 1st Form of Reduction (360 000 000) then in his Final Form 50% (14,12 Billions) and at 100% (28 235 304 000/28,24 Billions) (Well the Android possess this fabulous ability of having infinite energy ,so their strength can be considered even higher than that)
That part where you said The legend of the super sayian NEVER BOTHERD him speaks volumes about how confident he was in his powers especially when frieza stated his father told him there was only 2 beings to avoid at all cost and that was BUU and Berrus
grossly so after all Trunks is a "lowly monkey" and in his dealings Saiyans have never been a threat or even close to his power. King Cold also values appearances since his armour was as regal as it could be without sacrificing functionality being it was gold trimmed and with a luxurious cape with gold fasteners, so his second form gave him an imposing presence
true, also the transformations literally take forever (going by how long it takes Frieza to transform in the anime). Cooler pretty much just gambled on the fact that the sword was how he was beating Frieza. Cost him his life though.
@@ishowslow5044 King Cold would never have survived his attempt at transforming plus he underestimated Trunks assuming the source of his power was the sword. King Cold was both Ignorant and arrogant
@@ishowslow5044 King Cold dug his own grave and pretty much paid the hangman to take his life when fighting trunks as well as hired the reaper to take his soul to hell with the sheer stupidity he possessed
TBH I think this is just a case of fans assuming that King Cold can transform to increase his power. Frost seems to only use the suppressions because he wanted his real power to remain a secret while Freeza used his suppressions due to being bad at controlling his power. It seems like after resurrection of F, Freeza chooses to remain in his final form (probably because he learned to utilize his power properly and doesn't need the suppressions anymore). By the time of the Tournament of Power, Freeza and Frost both show up in their final forms to start. If I had to guess, even IF King Cold can also transform, he's probably already at full power. Then again, he might not be able to transform and Frost/Freeza both can simply because they are alternate universe versions of each other so to speak.
I like to think King Cold is as strong as final form Frieza, but he just likes to be big and intimidating, and don’t really care to show power when he can just get things going with fraction of the power.
its also likely Toriyama didn't want a frieza saga 2.0, he probably wanted frieza and Cold to be dusted but the easy explenation was he simply assumed Trunks had a magic sword and without it a lowly monkey could never beat him even in his second form
Yes he did but just because he did sometimes doesn’t mean you can stick that logic here. Cold was already in his final / natural form. Freiza created forms cause he couldn’t control his power. That’s not something every member of his race does ( cooler isn’t canon but even he wasn’t doin that ). Cold was weaker then frieza it’s stated in all guides, if he could transform he would have after seeing someone stronger then him get turned to butter
@@0vern9K please note that Toriyama when talking about Frieza said that Frieza's final form was his people's original form and that the previous transformations were all restraint forms to limit his power logic dictates that this extends to King Cold as well, and its also worth pointing out in the Manga Frieza never said he was stronger than his father, and there's in inconsistency in the anime english dub which is the only place its stated that King Cold's power was equal to frieza's when the Z-fighters sensed their approach remember the anime you watch on screen isn't canon it is its own continuity. plus what Toriyama said about frieza's transformations and knowing that King Cold was only in his 2nd form and not his original form, its likely King Cold was much more powerful then frieza. King Cold also didn't transform because he underestimated Trunks and it was confirmed that King Cold assumed Trunks wielded the Z-sword which King Cold knew of and knew that the legends say it could cut anything in the universe including the gods (though the legend is untrue)
@@fangslore9988 Freiza and cold are mutants even to their race of own people. Meaning they have completely different genes then others. There gonna differ from other members of their people. Which will effect appearance There quite literally a new species from their people
@@fangslore9988 also, that’s the English dub. The z fighters don’t state that no where in the Jap sub. We all know the Japanese sub is the most accurate of any anime that’s just how it works. And naw it’s still cannon to the manga…
If Cold had 2 transformations and got the same boost as freiza he’d be around as strong as 17 and 18 easily in a final form which mean trunks, goku or Vegeta or done for. There wouldn’t be a way to write him out for the android saga
I mean, other than the EXTREMELY obvious answer of 'Goku and Vegeta know better than to let a frieza family member transform'. Trunks just has no chill and wouldn't let them sit there and power up regardless.
@@jtnachos16 well Freiza tansfromations are not like normal ones. He does not get to his base form until his final form so you really cant stop him from going into it. The lower forms are just mask. Cold could just put up a ki barror like cell while his body changes and trunks wold not get through. If he really could transform trunks gave him penty of time to do it. Anyway with the sword thing.
@@JJJJ-he8bz That sure sounds like a lot of headcanon there, given Frieza is SHOWN taking time to transform during Namek saga. As well as assuming he could 'just put up a ki barrier'. The only time I remember ever seeing 'ki barriers' are from Gero's androids, SPECIFICALLY those with the infinite engines. Which CELL didn't have until after absorbing 17. That's not an option for King Cold. It is entirely likely that even if he COULD and INTENDED to transform, he wouldn't be given the time to. Do keep in mind, Future timeline Goku killed Frieza and King cold, as Trunk's changes to timeline didn't occur until AFTER King Cold accompanying Frieza to earth was locked in. This implies that either King Cold magically found a sword to give to Goku so he could claim it was magic, or that he didn't get a chance to transform there either. Or alternatively, that he couldn't transform. Meanwhile EVERY member of Frieza's race, both in canon sources and non, has been able to transform. A lot more evidence on hand for 'King Cold just didn't consider it until it was too late'.
@@jtnachos16 And what the guy said in the video, Cold being weaker also makes much more sense. But I disagree with you. Goku and Vegeta would, 1000%, let Cold reach his final form. Just look at Freeza and Cell. Trunks, however, wouldn't.
@@gustavolopes5094 Uh, no. Goku wouldn't. Not after the experience with Frieza. VEGETA, on the other hand, absolutely would. Goku let Frieza power up further for the same reason Gohan played around with Cell instead of just wiping him out. They were enraged and not thinking, although in both cases their rage ran cold, which is arguably MORE dangerous.
Great video. Feels good to see a Dragon Ball video with someone that has their head and their shoulder and actually considers the narrative. Definitely subscribing
2:54 - 2:57 ish, i'm sure seeing king cold gave Krillin HARDCORE Namek PTSD given how Freiza impaled Krillin and told him to "yeehaw, ride it bucko!" lmao
i believe cold being in the second form is just for making him look huge and scarier and it doesnt have to anything with his power, freeza also stated agaisnt goku that if it wasnt for him goku would be the strongest in the universe
Totally agree on the intimidation factor. The video was getting a bit bloated with speculation so I left this out, but Freeza's henchman Kikono suggests he should use his second form to look taller. This implies that Cold may have used similar reasoning back in the day. It literally makes no difference which form he's in when the next highest power level is ~120,000 range, so might as well pick the form you prefer the look of.
king cold symply didn't knew how to transform: in the first cooler movie, cooler himself stated the changeling race can keep their power in check by turning into a weaker form BUT ! , cooler also stated that changelings don't know how to turn back to their original form, they have to learn that through training or in freeza's case just by beeing super talented. in king cold's case its simply a case that he didn't learned yet how to go back to his original form.
It's such a hideous design. I don't know why people over-exaggerate Cold's muscularity in his final form. Truth is, his physique would be similar to Cooler's or Freeza's. The frost demons don't have strong abdominal muscles like that.
It also would make sense why King Cold handed over his empire to Frieza if only because Frieza has surpassed Cold in power. Cold probably knew his days were numbered with his ambitious child if he stayed in command.
ho he could still transform but he was arrogant and ignorant, he has suffered no rivals and each of the transformations other than golden aren't power ups they transform in reverse, the final form is the original form and they transformed to restrain and power down. King cold was underutilized and never got to fight so its likely he simply underestimated trunks and his power in universe where out of universe Toriyama didn't want a frieza saga 2.0 since it was the start of the android and cell arc so he needed to quickly tie off loose ends that were cell and King Cold
@@Bingo_the_Pug I think there's even less reason to believe he doesn't have another form. Both Frost and Cooler have final forms similar to Frieza, so why wouldn't his own father?
@@fangslore9988 Cold simply can't transform. Not a single character with a form in their backpocket got killed before they could use it. Toriyama not wanting frieza saga 2.0 means that he wrote King Cold with no transformations.
It's more likely that that was his final form and that they are both mutants who evolved in succession, seeing as how toriyama did specify they were the ONLY mutants which is likely why frieza's second form looks like king cold due to the fact he is further evolved/mutated than king cold and de-evolves which makes him appear similar.
According to logic, if his brother has one more stage of transformation than him, then it is unlikely that his father will only stay in the second stage of transformation.
frieza's race transform in reverse, their transformations are to unlock their full power, King Cold's form is a restrained form, and its because of how small they are in their final form and King Cold didn't want to be smaller than his men and he probably felt like it was a fluke that goku bested frieza so he never really considered to transform to his maximum power when fighting Trunks, King cold didn't have a scouter and couldn't sense ki so he didn't take advantage of trunks fighting frieza to transform out of sheer ignorance. and why he tried to use trunk's sword was a display of arrogance as he thought the only way trunks could beat frieza was with the sword and assumed it was magical or had a power boosting effect and was curious but his arrogance got in the way
@@fangslore9988what in the head canon? Cold COULDN’T transform. Freeza said multiple times in front of Cold he was stronger than him with no protest from Cold himself. Freeza stated to that his transformations were unique to him because he suppressed his power by choice. Cold had nothing in canon to even suggest he could transform. Not even in non canon before fan theories started running wild. This is like a random guy coming up with something like Pan is really the LSSJ and it spreading and gaining traction with no evidence.
@@teeboz6237 doesn't mean King Cold couldn't transform it just meant in their final forms at maximum power they were not equal in strength. in their final form King cold could be as strong as base final form frieza or even slightly weaker then frieza, remember King Cold was arrogant, ignorant and had a superiority complex, he thought Frieza's defeat was a fluke he didn't understand the SSJ power in the least nor understand its power level and potential. he assumed Trunks was a lot weaker than he was because he thought the only way trunks could win was with that sword so by taking the sword he showed his ignorance of Trunk's power and arrogance to assume he was naturally stronger. when Trunks caught the sword King Cold realized that Trunks was not going to let him transform, fight back or even back down, he understood saiyans and more importantly he realized he was going to die no matter the choice he took next. could King Cold transform, based on their race and the final form of their race and what it looks like, yes he could absolutly transform to his people's final form like frieza did, why didn't he, well take a look at his attire even though he had his species natural biosuit he chose to wore armour over top that was black and gold trim, he also wore a cape so based on his attire appearances was a very big deal for King Cold, and his final form being smaller, it appeared he wanted to be larger then his men. also you forget that transforming for Frieza's people is not fast like a Supersaiyan transformation Friza's species when transforming they had to reshape their anatomy as well as use their ki to break apart their biosuits and then regrow it with each transformation and it looks painful as frieza's own transformations looked painful for frieza also, Frieza saying he was stronger than his father, we cannot take Frieza's word for it alone, for all we know King Cold could have led Frieza on to belive that as a way to spoil his son, there is no definitive proof but what is proven by King Cold's armour is that the former emperor and father of frieza absolutly cared about his appearence. frieza even wanted to be taller and in resurrection F frieza was asked why didn't he transform back to his second form to be taller. its likely King Cold at some point decided to transform to his second form for similar reasons. in a nutshell King Cold could transform considering that likely frieza's final form is probably his people's original form with variations being in colour and design of their bio armour however King Cold likley prefered the form he had because of its intimidating size and that prior to facing trunks he had no reason to transform and when he did face trunks he underestimated Trunk's powerand assumed Trunks only won because of his sword
@@fangslore9988you’re using the word “could” an awful lot. Also a lot of unintentionally funny head canon. Why not just say where it’s stated or confirmed officially he could? Or, because that doesn’t exist, just stop arguing? You’re the king of head canon though 😂😂😂😂😂 Official sources or shh
I'm betting Cold's 2nd form *is* his final form. Members of the Frieza race don't necessarily have to have the same amount of forms each. Frieza and Cold are mutants after all, probably Frost is one too.
@@DamonDraven all evidence would suggest otherwise its a restraint form based on the idea that all the restraint forms are specifically a feature of their biology similar to how goku and the other saiyans on earth all have the same transformations except the god ones, its biological since frieza's final form is the original form of their entire race, Frieza and Cold being mutants only means that they were born with massive amounts of ki compared to possible members of their race elsewhere in the galaxy. just like how Broly is technically a Saiyan mutant
Because he can't. That's his Final form. This was already shown on multiple times in multiple Shonen Jump magazines. Frieza is a Mutated version, similar to Broly. Whoever replies, don't start with a non-canon Cooler, that's dumb argument.
I always liked Cold coping with deciding the sword had to be the secret because noooooo way could another living thing be LEGIT stronger than them lmao.
I don't know why is this still a thing when the information has been out for years already 🤦♂️ King cold is not a mutant his final form is his second form unlike Cooler and Frieza are a mutant which allows them to achieve a higher form above King cold however according to Toriyama before he passed away he said King cold doesn't have a third form or beyond that so his second form is pretty much his final form and he can't progress further but he might have the potential to unlock a third form if he actually trained for 10 years😅
That's not accurate or true at all. Akira never made no such comment. Frieza's Final Form is his TRUE form, the one he was born in. Even being a mutant (which for the record both Frieza and Cold are, which was stated by AT, and it was meant in terms of power but NOT biology), his biology would not be so fundamentally different from his father's. It's completely insane to believe Frieza is unique in ability amongst his species, as opposed to doing nothing but showcasing them. Even if you took that train of thought as truth, Cold would still have to have AT LEAST one transfomation in his pocket, a form that looks very similar to Frieza's final form.
He just hadnt the time to do so If you consider trunks destroyed freezer in one second he knew his only chnace is talk arround. Which also didnt work of course
The reason why other characters claimed Frieza was the strongest in the universe during the Namek saga was simply because King Cold hadn’t been created yet.
Cold absolutely is in his only form. Frieza was a mutant who transformed to suppress his power. Akira Toriyama said in an interview that Frieza made his second form look like his dad.
What interview are you referring to? The only interview I've seen (linked in description and visible at 0:33) indicates they are both mutants, and that Freeza inherited his traits from his father.
That is Cold’s final form. Frieza’s race can choose what their transformations look like, and it’s said Frieza modeled his second form after his father. It’s also explicitly stated that Cold gave Frieza the empire at a young age because he knew Frieza was stronger than him, so that form being Cold’s Final Form and being similar in power to Mecha Frieza lends credence to this fact.
I like the ideal king cold being stronger. I think Him keeping it hidden was necessary, and because of his lack of actually understanding the situation and how strong trunks was caught him off guard, which led to his demise, didn't give him much of a chance, to prepare himself or even power himself up to become stronger, so The only option king cold had was to beg for mercy until the time That he had enough time to transform and be able to defeat him.. Which trunks didn't allow?
@@teeboz6237pretty sure frieza was born in his final form he just uses first second and third to limit his power do to stamina issues frieza’s race can be weird at times king cold is just a plot device I guess
I do actually really like this debate. There are so many factors to consider. Frieza is in his 50% form but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to 50%, also he is more then half mechanical now. That makes him stronger then before but how much does his sensible power get reduced? If he is half gone does that mean his actual ki is halved now? Does Cold even have another form? Yes frieza looks very different in his final form but its been implied that forms don't mean that much to them. At least the golden form is told to us to be golden because that is what frieza wanted it to be. Its not like a sayian transformation where they have no control over the appearance and can only transform to increase power. You could argue that we know the suppression transformations are standard because frost is the same, but you could say he is supposed to basically be a alternate version of frieza so he is special. That are you can look at how they also forgot that there is a massive difference between unlocking ssj and mastering it in terms of power during this time to and just state that none of the material here reflects on the pasts arcs at all
"Frieza is in his 50% form but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to 50%, " That doesn't make sense but Frieza's was using half of his raised power so his cybernetics stay on.
@@beegpappa7900I think what they meant, is that while he is using his final form (which caps at 50% of his full power) it doesnt mean he is USING its full 50%.
4:34 But Cold was Retire for almost 40 years(or more) up this point for this reason i don´t belive this is a good prove to Freeza be so much stronger. Like even in the context most not even see the Freeza final form, imagine the Father Final Form, is rare. I still stick with the theory hhahaahah. Even more now because the Reference of power to King Cold was Majin Boo and Beerus.
Key point here: If both King Cold and Frieza never trained, are both asexual and so have very similar genetics, and both had very similar power levels when Frieza was mecha, I can only conclude King Cold was already in his final form, perhaps was stronger than Frieza due to being older and having more life experience. And that his final form resembling frieza's 2nd form is simply that Frieza made it look like his father's final form. The idea that Cold would have been leaps and bounds above Frieza is a bit preposterous even though it's a cool fan theory. Because they produce asexually.
I'd believe that. A thought that went in my mind is the reason that King Cold can't go into forms like Frieza is because he's already in his final form. Frieza just further evolved as he grew up having superior forms compared to his father.
Random but one of my favorite What-Ifs is "What if Frieza was turned into an android by Dr Gero". More durable body, unlimited stamina, energy absorption, and the ability to create forcefields. I'm curious just how much more powerful would he become because 17/18 were just normal humans with no training, putting there power around 2-7 and after becoming androids they had a energy output equal to just below 1 billion ki. Rough math 18 is around 920-940m, 17 was around 960m. Frezia has a power level of around 120-160 million naturally. Heck, maybe give him a Majin boost later down the road because you know Frieza would eat that up in a heartbeat.
Maybe transforming puts a strain on their overall lifespan? Maybe Cold calculated if the sword fails he can fly away and blow up earth, before realising just how outclassed he is from the sword being pushed back. Perhaps he's already in final form and Frieza made his 2nd form look like his original form.
My speculation is that a contributing factor to Cold not transforming is because of his appearance, a trait Freeza might have inherited from him. Freeza hates the fact that his base form is so short as he worries about his troops not taking him as seriously because of it, and might even feel somewhat juvenile because of it. It's to the point where after he gave up on immortality his immediate next wish he wanted to make on the Dragon Balls was to make himself taller. One of his henchmen even questions him why he doesn't just power down into his 2nd form like his father did. As such, my speculation is that Cold had the same insecurity that he would have then passed onto his son. His 2nd form is simply just bigger, broader, and taller. It gives him an intimidating and imposing figure befitting a space emperor as opposed to his other forms that are too small, short, or monstrous looking.
Maybe Cold didn't have proper Ki control like Frieza and Cooler did so it's possible that he didn't know how to revert back to his true power, either that or he just couldn't control his full power which would explain why he and the others need augmented transformations to suppress their power.
Frieza is the Prodigy in the family. Cooler as first born has the power to transform only in that other form and return in his real one when he wants (like when he dies in the sun) IF is considered canon (and to me, it is). He is his first born son but Cold choose Frieza as his second hand and successor. Why? cause is better than both of them. Cold and Cooler, are already in their final forms. They are born in that way. Like Frieza is born in his true form BUT thanks to his mutation gift, he can "de- evolve" for keep his immense power and true form, silent. Why so Cold doesn't transform? Cause he can not. That's is his look. His first born son Cooler can temporary power up with a powerfull reversable mutation, Frieza even more than that. Imagine them as an experiment, where Cold is the base, Cooler the first success but that can be improved and Frieza, the final and more complex stage. Pretty and simple.
Gohan is right. Freeza in his fourth form was still heavily suppressed until he fought super saiyan Goku. I've often thought that one of the reasons Trunks took him out so easily is because he wasn't at 100% power. It raises questions, like can Freeza and Cold raise their power up in lesser forms? Pure speculation, and it would mean getting into power levels possibly, but I think the best explanation is Cold is arrogant and Cold realized that if he started powering up or transforming Trunks would kill him immediately. He'd never have the chance so his best bet was to go with his hunch that Trunks had some kind of magic sword that did most of the heavy lifting. Or slicing.
I personally always figured that the second form of Friezas race was the base form as Frieza states about his first is that it is a form he uses to conserve power. So I think that King Cold is essentially in his base, and has in liklihood never been able to transform.
You can tell King Cold is arrogant, because when he learned Frieza was dead (Before his half body was found), he immediately thought of revenge. Like he thought he could beat someone who killed Frieza. And that's without a sword being involved.
The problem with King Cold being able to transform would be the implication that Goku still wiped the floor with him in the alternate timeline, which not only makes Goku more cracked than he needs to be at that point in the series but puts the power of the androids in an entirely different ballpark as well, making Frieza a farmer with shotgun tier fodder character in comparison
For the exception of Gold Frieza, the transformations are to subdue power, not increase it. Friezas final form is his true form. King cold probably doesn't transform because he can't, this is likely his true form, just like Chilled looks like friezas first form, despite it being his true form.
2:22 Something I find interesting here : As someone pointed out to me, this moment (that I believe might be in the anime too but I don’t remember) implies that Frieza did train, with his father no less, before the Super retcon about him never training and having just that big of a potential.Just wanted to mention that. And another thing that goes with what you were saying about Frieza being in fact the strongest here, with Cold not correcting him, this kind of further makes them knowing about Beerus and Buu incoherent.
I still say that Obviously because he can't. The second form imo is the true form. Everything else is a transformation. There would be no reason to have multiple detransformed forms to supress yourself.
Frieza stated that his Final form is his true form when he first transformed into it. This is canon throughout all Dragonball media from the manga to anime to the games. While all sub forms don't have to be canon to all members of his race, there is no doubt Cold has AT LEAST one greater form than what he has now.
Another point is that if these cybernetics can make Frieza even stronger, why did cold choose not to allow himself to be augmented as well? He clearly cares more about keeping people down than making himself more powerful. His tactics show this. He'd rather blow up the earth and be done with it. He doesn't care if people surpass him in strength, he wants to use his wit and intellect to win and play the long game. Which Frieza is the complete opposite of. Frieza put him in a bad situation where he had to play by Frieza's rules after he got defeated. If Cold was acting alone he'd have taken different courses of action to victory not requiring him to increase his strength beyond what was necessary to get the job done. He's very cold and calculated you see. Transforming is also quite painful and seems risky as well. Perhaps you could get locked in a transformation for a long period if you got sick, and so it would be wise to stay in your most preferred and comfortable form that you're able to control the best. Maybe he ate something and thus it would make it very risky to transform since he'd effectively get stomach cramp. There's probably a logical reasoning.
The most valid explanation IMO is that cold saw Trunks kill frieza without hesitation and was shook. He knew he was way too powerful and one wrong move (such as an attempted transformation) would get him killed as trunks was not fucking around. That’s why he even tried to negotiate with trunks several times. When the first time didn’t work he realized he probably wasn’t going to get out of this without fighting, as trunks made it quite clear he was there to kill him and frieza, so he attacked with the sword as a last ditch attempt as it would be quicker than just transforming. It didn’t work and he got blasted to the nether realm.
Freezer was a mutant and abnormal amongst his race explaining all the extra transformations king cold either felt he didn’t need to transform or simply was at his limit
Cold uses 1st form. What if he turns ito final form with Golden Cold? He might beat SSJ god form, SSJ blue. I think he can fight toe to toe with broly ssj, gogeta/vegeto ssj blue. Even jiren.
Did we really needed Frieza’s father to resurrect Frieza in mecha form and both be killed by Trunks, though. Toriyama could have just wrote only the scientists in Frieza revive him and straight to Earth to get the latter’s revenge like he did for Resurrection F.
I always thought that the issue with everyone thinking Freezer being the most powerful being in their Universe had more to do with the lack of information about King Cold, more than anything else. That they always saw Freezer in charge, at the front and at the top and simply assumed he was the most powerful being and just that King Cold was more of a "Father King" figure as opposed to a "Reigning Monarch", which seeing that across the Galaxy many cultures share the exavt same Monarchial structires and traditions as the ones on Earth, it would mak sense that they are familiar with a non-reigning "Queen Mother" or "King Father" figure in some cases.
The dialogue between characters on Namek making out that Freeza is the defacto ruler I think could be explained by Toriyama not thinking that far ahead. From what Radits says in Z, I got the idea that Sayians are doing what they do without input outside. Then we find out Freeza's to blame.
Cold doesnt even run things anymore. Hes never had to train. Freeza has been handling things forever now. How would his power rise to change forms? Besides his form is kept full time, freeza supresses or would supress they said, in that first form. To not waste energy. Cold is probably weak too, maintaining that form. But again, would not have to care since his son is far more powerful and tuns things.
No, he couldn't transform. Thats why. They're all mutants, and Frieza is a super mutant. The only reason Frieza was in charge was because Cold knew Frieza would surpass him and kill him eventually.
correct. Even cooler had a special form of his, frieza himself said he only got those forms to control his power and he even said he cant even properly control it in his final form
I think Cold likes the big, strong image of second form above everything, even actual strength. Perhaps he assumed he was strong enough to win and didn't want to appear less intimidating by reducing his size.
I'd like to think this is just what his final form looks like, and each "Frieza race" mutant might look different in their final form. Not that it's canon, but in Xenoverse you can create a Frieza race patroller that can look anything from first form Frieza to final form Cooler. But no matter what they look like, that's their strongest form before they go golden, and then their golden form is based on it.
As if Trunks would have granted his enemy the opportunity to Transform if he could stop him. He hates fun.
The one sayian that don’t take chances and have a embarrassing moment of pride 😂
Cough* goku, vegeta, gohan!
Trunks wouldn’t know he could to stop it
To be fair, if we assume the same thing happened with Trunks trying to stop Cell from becoming perfect after absorbing 18, Trunks probably couldn’t stop Cold from transforming. Trunks, despite being stronger than Semi Perfect Cell, was unable to stop him from becoming Perfect. Same thing could apply with King Cold transforming into his hypothetical final form.
@@ultimate_capper3643The reason he couldn't stop semi perfect cell from absorbing 18 was because of Vegeta.
@@rsync9490 The scenario you talked about happened before the scenario I was describing in my original comment. Yes, Vegeta did initially prevent Trunks from stopping Cell, but Trunks blasted him away and went back to stopping Cell. However, Cell used a Solar Flare and while Trunks was stunned, he absorbed 18. After Trunks recovered, he tried attacking Cell, but to no avail.
Here's how I see it: Cold didn't transform because he was so convinced that Trunk's power came from that sword.
you're absolutely correct. to King Cold Trunks is a "lowly monkey" after all and was very arrogant and very ignorant when it came to their power gap. to King Cold, there is no way a Saiyan would have such power. only Frieza feared it and rightly so especially when he feared that a super Saiyan could eventually become a god and what greater powers could be beyond it, after all he feared that a super Saiyan god could be on Beerus' level or above it. King Cold on the other hand was just an ignorant mf who underestimated Trunks and let himself become arrogant and has an obvious superiority complex and a lot of racism towards Saiyans
He thought it was the Z sword.
@@SCHMALLZZZ probably
@@SCHMALLZZZtrunks sword definitely is better than z sword
@@fangslore9988none of that was a thing back then super was made like a decade ago
Given the amount of powerful artifacts in Dragon Ball, Kold's assumption about Trunk's sword isn't bad in itself, it possibly could have been some kind of magical sword from his perspective, he just got it wrong is all.
I mean it is a magical artifact. I know it's not Canon, but technically got the sword from Tapion lol.
Not entirely unreasonable when you frame it that way. Maybe he figured it was just a sword that can cut through anything.
King Cold is an arrogant and ignorant being who's racism and superiority complex made him assume no Saiyan could ever best him without some cheap trick like a magic sword
@@fangslore9988 Somewhat true, Kold did look down on them, though up to that point in time there was absolutely no president for him to think a saiyan could be that strong barring some old obscure legend.
I'd call his attitude more akin to "Speciesism" than racism, but regardless, such attitudes toward a species like the Saiyans who themselves had an equally massive superiority complex and wanted to conquer, enslave and drown the the galaxy in blood is basically just the pot insulting the kettle. Frieza and Kold got what they deserved, and so did the Saiyans. Both sides were rotten to the core, the saiyans simply drew the short straw.. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Frieza or Kold wiped out their own species for being inferior to themselves since both of them were asexually reproducing unnaturally powerful mutant off-shoots of their own kind.
@@dreadrath *Cold
but you are correct. there was never any way for King Cold to even consider this warrior race a true threat, none of them even came close to rivaling his true power or even his first form if he ever chose to assume it, and the whole idea of a super Saiyan to him was little more than just a legend. none existed and none would ever exist as far as he was concerned as to him it was little more than a legend concocted by primitives and only Frieza truly feared the legends. but Frieza did get his just deserts but he back in black
It makes sense why the guy with a superiority complex would choose to stay in the form that's the biggest. His ego led him to want that form so he could tower over and scare everyone, despite how inconvenient that form his, he barely fits in the spaceship and has to be uncomfortable in ships/houses. Frieza is confident he's the strongest so who cares how short he is in 1st form, nobody could beat him so he was secure looking that small
Trunks would still one shot him lol
@@lancekemal8989not the argument this comment is making, bud
@@itsRhodi There is no argument. King Cold has no transformations and this is a fact not an opinion. It is nice to have fun with with it and pretend that's not the case it's not a serious theory. Trunks stomped King Cold and he would stomp King Cold any day of the week
I mean, if Cold just stayed in his 2nd form, he's still stronger than 99% of the universe. Personally, I think I'd be Chilling in the 2nd form anyway. 1st and 3rd forms look lame/too short, and being in 4th form made you too strong for everyday life. 2nd is the most optimal.
@@lancekemal8989You do not have an adult brain: see, writers say what happens. If they wish, King Cold could be Captain Jack Sparrow.
I honestly think that Cold doesn’t care to bother to correct his son when he mentions that he’s the strongest being in the universe. Especially when they’re both aware of Manjin Buu and Beerus.
Yes, but you're overlooking the fact that this is obviously before either Majin Buu or Beerus were even thought of as concepts in Toriyama's mind.
I don’t think that you could use characters that were thought up later in the story and apply past statements to them as if they’ve always existed. By this logic Vegeta should be stronger than anyone because he claimed he was in the saiyan saga, despite the fact that he was basically Frieza’s b*tch.
Toriyama wasn't aware of Majin Buu or even Cell at that time, because when he was making Dragon Ball, he mostly made the story up as he went along, only planning certain things a couple chapters ahead of time, and the Android/Cell Saga was notoriously rife with editorial meddling. And Beerus wasn't even a notion until Dragon Ball's original run had been over for more than fifteen years.
@@jruler93 Cool, but we are talking about IN UNIVERSE, NOT REAL WORLD SHENANIGANS
Cold doesn’t correct him because Freeza>King Cold and at the time Freeza was the strongest in the universe bar Goku (and as they master found out Trunks). It’s not that hard.
I remember from an interview that Toryiama said that for the frieza family the offsprings are always stronger than the father in the same age and that they can adapt their body also to improve their combat abilities (proven by the golden and the black form). This fact in my personal theory means also that they can have a different final form than their ancestors due to an adaptation of their body: even if cold resembles freezer’s second form his body isn’t complete armored for example (looking at face, arms and legs) and meanwhile freezer’s transformation focus on energy using and speed (gradually larging and removing the armor), cold’s body probably focused on brute strength and resistance keeping part of the armor and making the real body underneath bigger in his final form.
Bingo, but that would require people to actually do research, while this has been explained before
thats not how it works, their final form isn't a power up stage its their original form, the other forms are restraint forms to power down, for frieza's race its reverse to saiyans
@@fangslore9988 The original commenter didn't contradict that, he said they ALSO have power up forms proven by golden and black frieza
@@DioLT true though some have argued about it LMAO in the end Toriyama just wanted Cold and Frieza to finally be killed without them being a credible threat to the android and cell arc but also in the Manga it is never stated King Cold was weaker than Frieza
@@fangslore9988 I don't really know, I was just pointing out what they were saying. I always thought King Cold was stronger because Frieza mentions that he was the only one able to hurt him, but just didn't get how strong Trunks was and poof no one should care about that anymore xD power levels in anime in general are so inconsistent I stopped caring about it long ago
Butter said he was the fastest in universe when Ginyu Frieza and Cold existed. So maybe Frieza claiming to be the strongest isn’t too much of a long shot
Lol, I think Vegeta also said he was the strongest, back during the Saiyan saga… but I don’t recall if that’s in the manga too or just English dub anime.
@@lovesgibsonthe villains say a lot of things, king piccolo said he was going to take over the universe, cell said he could make a spirit bomb, Majin Buu told them he was going to turn them into chocolate and eat them, sometimes villains say things that they can't prove
@@rockk9753then come this green haired madman speaking like a caveman and making loud noises. The heck were all these villains thinking when they talk?
@@dokidoki5850 most of them are probably thinking "oh yeah look at me I'm so edgy and evil", "Broly was most likely thinking"wahraaharhaharhghgahghaa"
At one point even Cell was called a God of Destruction (I'm not sure about the manga though since it was just in the anime title). I don't think many claims are that reliable.
How about Cold, as an elder member of his race, has achieved a state where he can maintain his full power in the form he likes the most. He probablly likes to live in his second form, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s weaker because of it.
Maybe but he's the 2nd weakest member of his race canon or non canon. At least out of the named members
honestly? i’m convinced the form we see him in is his last and only form. From what we saw, members of Frieza's race have a different number of transformations, and the ones they create are customizable, (notably, with training Frieza developed evolutions, which had colors of his choice, endorsing the fact they got the ability to choose how their forms will look). Although the rest of characters, cooler included are not canon, they all understood the principle that they didn’t necessarily have the same forms as Frieza. With Cooler having only his base and his transformation.
frieza did say he made those forms to handle his own immense power, if broly could do that i think vegeta (the king) wouldn’t have tried to murder the planet-busting threat that would’ve destroyed vegeta (the planet) and in the process killing vegeta (the king) and vegeta (the prince)
@@spotty530 They create form of reduction ,Cooler trained to be able to use his base form constantly (To like ,control his energy) ,he even managed to make a form of augmentation ,their base form always have this roundy polished shape ,here Cold is in probably in a reduction form too (Being also older ,he can probably control his energy better than Frieza due to more experience thus he wouldn't need to use a 3rd reduction form + in his race the older they get ,the more powerful they become ,on top of them already having immense power compared to other lifeform ,of course they don't bother training like Frieza did in Super) .
And there was this interview were someone asked Toriyama how strong would Cold be in his Final Form 100% ,he responded that he would as strong as the C-18 and C-17 ,thanks to that ,you can kinda make an hypothesis on their strength (C-18/C-17/Piccolo fused with Kami) in units .
The last 2 official power level we ever got were Frieza Final Form 100% (At 120 000 000) and Goku SSJ1 (At 150 000 000) , after that when Frieza and Cold got to Earth ,the Z-Fighter assumed Frieza to be twice stronger and that there was a comparable power next to him (So we can assume Cold at 240 000 000) so multiply by 1,5 for a Cold in the 1st Form of Reduction (360 000 000) then in his Final Form 50% (14,12 Billions) and at 100% (28 235 304 000/28,24 Billions) (Well the Android possess this fabulous ability of having infinite energy ,so their strength can be considered even higher than that)
"He wasn't cool enough."
Sun Senzu- The Art of Cheese
That part where you said The legend of the super sayian NEVER BOTHERD him speaks volumes about how confident he was in his powers especially when frieza stated his father told him there was only 2 beings to avoid at all cost and that was BUU and Berrus
or he was so incompetently ignorant and couldn’t understand why a power multiplier was dangerous, did cold even make the empire himself
I think he just under estimated Trunks.
grossly so after all Trunks is a "lowly monkey" and in his dealings Saiyans have never been a threat or even close to his power. King Cold also values appearances since his armour was as regal as it could be without sacrificing functionality being it was gold trimmed and with a luxurious cape with gold fasteners, so his second form gave him an imposing presence
true, also the transformations literally take forever (going by how long it takes Frieza to transform in the anime). Cooler pretty much just gambled on the fact that the sword was how he was beating Frieza. Cost him his life though.
@@ishowslow5044 King Cold would never have survived his attempt at transforming plus he underestimated Trunks assuming the source of his power was the sword. King Cold was both Ignorant and arrogant
@@fangslore9988 Pretty much
@@ishowslow5044 King Cold dug his own grave and pretty much paid the hangman to take his life when fighting trunks as well as hired the reaper to take his soul to hell with the sheer stupidity he possessed
TBH I think this is just a case of fans assuming that King Cold can transform to increase his power. Frost seems to only use the suppressions because he wanted his real power to remain a secret while Freeza used his suppressions due to being bad at controlling his power. It seems like after resurrection of F, Freeza chooses to remain in his final form (probably because he learned to utilize his power properly and doesn't need the suppressions anymore). By the time of the Tournament of Power, Freeza and Frost both show up in their final forms to start. If I had to guess, even IF King Cold can also transform, he's probably already at full power. Then again, he might not be able to transform and Frost/Freeza both can simply because they are alternate universe versions of each other so to speak.
I like to think King Cold is as strong as final form Frieza, but he just likes to be big and intimidating, and don’t really care to show power when he can just get things going with fraction of the power.
Toryama probably didn’t think of cold at that time
I really like your editing and videostyle! I also believe that Cold hasn't seen much combat and just believed the sword to hold the key to victory.
toriyama had issues with consistency so i'm going to say cold had more forms and they never got used.
its also likely Toriyama didn't want a frieza saga 2.0, he probably wanted frieza and Cold to be dusted but the easy explenation was he simply assumed Trunks had a magic sword and without it a lowly monkey could never beat him even in his second form
Yes he did but just because he did sometimes doesn’t mean you can stick that logic here. Cold was already in his final / natural form. Freiza created forms cause he couldn’t control his power. That’s not something every member of his race does ( cooler isn’t canon but even he wasn’t doin that ). Cold was weaker then frieza it’s stated in all guides, if he could transform he would have after seeing someone stronger then him get turned to butter
@@0vern9K please note that Toriyama when talking about Frieza said that Frieza's final form was his people's original form and that the previous transformations were all restraint forms to limit his power logic dictates that this extends to King Cold as well, and its also worth pointing out in the Manga Frieza never said he was stronger than his father, and there's in inconsistency in the anime english dub which is the only place its stated that King Cold's power was equal to frieza's when the Z-fighters sensed their approach
remember the anime you watch on screen isn't canon it is its own continuity. plus what Toriyama said about frieza's transformations and knowing that King Cold was only in his 2nd form and not his original form, its likely King Cold was much more powerful then frieza. King Cold also didn't transform because he underestimated Trunks and it was confirmed that King Cold assumed Trunks wielded the Z-sword which King Cold knew of and knew that the legends say it could cut anything in the universe including the gods (though the legend is untrue)
@@fangslore9988 Freiza and cold are mutants even to their race of own people. Meaning they have completely different genes then others. There gonna differ from other members of their people. Which will effect appearance
There quite literally a new species from their people
@@fangslore9988 also, that’s the English dub. The z fighters don’t state that no where in the Jap sub. We all know the Japanese sub is the most accurate of any anime that’s just how it works. And naw it’s still cannon to the manga…
2:21 how does he have plural "parents" if they asexually reproduce??
If Cold had 2 transformations and got the same boost as freiza he’d be around as strong as 17 and 18 easily in a final form which mean trunks, goku or Vegeta or done for. There wouldn’t be a way to write him out for the android saga
I mean, other than the EXTREMELY obvious answer of 'Goku and Vegeta know better than to let a frieza family member transform'. Trunks just has no chill and wouldn't let them sit there and power up regardless.
@@jtnachos16 well Freiza tansfromations are not like normal ones. He does not get to his base form until his final form so you really cant stop him from going into it. The lower forms are just mask. Cold could just put up a ki barror like cell while his body changes and trunks wold not get through. If he really could transform trunks gave him penty of time to do it. Anyway with the sword thing.
@@JJJJ-he8bz That sure sounds like a lot of headcanon there, given Frieza is SHOWN taking time to transform during Namek saga. As well as assuming he could 'just put up a ki barrier'. The only time I remember ever seeing 'ki barriers' are from Gero's androids, SPECIFICALLY those with the infinite engines. Which CELL didn't have until after absorbing 17. That's not an option for King Cold. It is entirely likely that even if he COULD and INTENDED to transform, he wouldn't be given the time to. Do keep in mind, Future timeline Goku killed Frieza and King cold, as Trunk's changes to timeline didn't occur until AFTER King Cold accompanying Frieza to earth was locked in. This implies that either King Cold magically found a sword to give to Goku so he could claim it was magic, or that he didn't get a chance to transform there either. Or alternatively, that he couldn't transform. Meanwhile EVERY member of Frieza's race, both in canon sources and non, has been able to transform.
A lot more evidence on hand for 'King Cold just didn't consider it until it was too late'.
@@jtnachos16 And what the guy said in the video, Cold being weaker also makes much more sense.
But I disagree with you. Goku and Vegeta would, 1000%, let Cold reach his final form. Just look at Freeza and Cell.
Trunks, however, wouldn't.
@@gustavolopes5094 Uh, no. Goku wouldn't. Not after the experience with Frieza. VEGETA, on the other hand, absolutely would.
Goku let Frieza power up further for the same reason Gohan played around with Cell instead of just wiping him out. They were enraged and not thinking, although in both cases their rage ran cold, which is arguably MORE dangerous.
Great video. Feels good to see a Dragon Ball video with someone that has their head and their shoulder and actually considers the narrative. Definitely subscribing
2:54 - 2:57 ish, i'm sure seeing king cold gave Krillin HARDCORE Namek PTSD given how Freiza impaled Krillin and told him to "yeehaw, ride it bucko!" lmao
i believe cold being in the second form is just for making him look huge and scarier and it doesnt have to anything with his power, freeza also stated agaisnt goku that if it wasnt for him goku would be the strongest in the universe
Totally agree on the intimidation factor. The video was getting a bit bloated with speculation so I left this out, but Freeza's henchman Kikono suggests he should use his second form to look taller. This implies that Cold may have used similar reasoning back in the day. It literally makes no difference which form he's in when the next highest power level is ~120,000 range, so might as well pick the form you prefer the look of.
king cold symply didn't knew how to transform: in the first cooler movie, cooler himself stated the changeling race can keep their power in check by turning into a weaker form BUT ! , cooler also stated that changelings don't know how to turn back to their original form, they have to learn that through training or in freeza's case just by beeing super talented. in king cold's case its simply a case that he didn't learned yet how to go back to his original form.
2:00 cursed image
You mean hot
It's such a hideous design. I don't know why people over-exaggerate Cold's muscularity in his final form. Truth is, his physique would be similar to Cooler's or Freeza's. The frost demons don't have strong abdominal muscles like that.
It also would make sense why King Cold handed over his empire to Frieza if only because Frieza has surpassed Cold in power. Cold probably knew his days were numbered with his ambitious child if he stayed in command.
As I know, his father is unable to transform anymore, that is his max power form. His power is much lower than his son freezer.
ho he could still transform but he was arrogant and ignorant, he has suffered no rivals and each of the transformations other than golden aren't power ups they transform in reverse, the final form is the original form and they transformed to restrain and power down. King cold was underutilized and never got to fight so its likely he simply underestimated trunks and his power in universe where out of universe Toriyama didn't want a frieza saga 2.0 since it was the start of the android and cell arc so he needed to quickly tie off loose ends that were cell and King Cold
This is what I believe as well. There is no reason to believe he has another form, what we see IS his final form. Simple as that.
@@Bingo_the_Pug I think there's even less reason to believe he doesn't have another form. Both Frost and Cooler have final forms similar to Frieza, so why wouldn't his own father?
@@davisbowe8668cooler isn’t canon and frost is frieza’s doppleganger none of this proves cold can transform.
@@fangslore9988 Cold simply can't transform. Not a single character with a form in their backpocket got killed before they could use it. Toriyama not wanting frieza saga 2.0 means that he wrote King Cold with no transformations.
Akira making total sense again. It’s not like King Cold saw Trunks easily lifting Frieza’s death ball with his bare hands just minutes earlier.
I think that's anime only, in the manga he kills Frieza in 2 panels
@@erikgt2559 good to know, thanks!
It's more likely that that was his final form and that they are both mutants who evolved in succession, seeing as how toriyama did specify they were the ONLY mutants which is likely why frieza's second form looks like king cold due to the fact he is further evolved/mutated than king cold and de-evolves which makes him appear similar.
According to logic, if his brother has one more stage of transformation than him, then it is unlikely that his father will only stay in the second stage of transformation.
frieza's race transform in reverse, their transformations are to unlock their full power, King Cold's form is a restrained form, and its because of how small they are in their final form and King Cold didn't want to be smaller than his men and he probably felt like it was a fluke that goku bested frieza so he never really considered to transform to his maximum power when fighting Trunks, King cold didn't have a scouter and couldn't sense ki so he didn't take advantage of trunks fighting frieza to transform out of sheer ignorance. and why he tried to use trunk's sword was a display of arrogance as he thought the only way trunks could beat frieza was with the sword and assumed it was magical or had a power boosting effect and was curious but his arrogance got in the way
@@fangslore9988what in the head canon? Cold COULDN’T transform. Freeza said multiple times in front of Cold he was stronger than him with no protest from Cold himself. Freeza stated to that his transformations were unique to him because he suppressed his power by choice. Cold had nothing in canon to even suggest he could transform. Not even in non canon before fan theories started running wild. This is like a random guy coming up with something like Pan is really the LSSJ and it spreading and gaining traction with no evidence.
@@teeboz6237 doesn't mean King Cold couldn't transform it just meant in their final forms at maximum power they were not equal in strength. in their final form King cold could be as strong as base final form frieza or even slightly weaker then frieza, remember King Cold was arrogant, ignorant and had a superiority complex, he thought Frieza's defeat was a fluke he didn't understand the SSJ power in the least nor understand its power level and potential. he assumed Trunks was a lot weaker than he was because he thought the only way trunks could win was with that sword so by taking the sword he showed his ignorance of Trunk's power and arrogance to assume he was naturally stronger.
when Trunks caught the sword King Cold realized that Trunks was not going to let him transform, fight back or even back down, he understood saiyans and more importantly he realized he was going to die no matter the choice he took next.
could King Cold transform, based on their race and the final form of their race and what it looks like, yes he could absolutly transform to his people's final form like frieza did, why didn't he, well take a look at his attire even though he had his species natural biosuit he chose to wore armour over top that was black and gold trim, he also wore a cape so based on his attire appearances was a very big deal for King Cold, and his final form being smaller, it appeared he wanted to be larger then his men. also you forget that transforming for Frieza's people is not fast like a Supersaiyan transformation Friza's species when transforming they had to reshape their anatomy as well as use their ki to break apart their biosuits and then regrow it with each transformation and it looks painful as frieza's own transformations looked painful for frieza
also, Frieza saying he was stronger than his father, we cannot take Frieza's word for it alone, for all we know King Cold could have led Frieza on to belive that as a way to spoil his son, there is no definitive proof but what is proven by King Cold's armour is that the former emperor and father of frieza absolutly cared about his appearence. frieza even wanted to be taller and in resurrection F frieza was asked why didn't he transform back to his second form to be taller. its likely King Cold at some point decided to transform to his second form for similar reasons.
in a nutshell King Cold could transform considering that likely frieza's final form is probably his people's original form with variations being in colour and design of their bio armour however King Cold likley prefered the form he had because of its intimidating size and that prior to facing trunks he had no reason to transform and when he did face trunks he underestimated Trunk's powerand assumed Trunks only won because of his sword
@@fangslore9988you’re using the word “could” an awful lot. Also a lot of unintentionally funny head canon. Why not just say where it’s stated or confirmed officially he could? Or, because that doesn’t exist, just stop arguing?
You’re the king of head canon though 😂😂😂😂😂
Official sources or shh
Missed a massive opportunity for the thumbnail to point at king cold and say “is he stupid?”
Simply put, I think he wasn't mutated enough. Frieza was a newer gen mutant and could transform
Could be possible that he simply can't.
Cold should’ve brought his Ray gun. Caught them both lackin’
I'm Working On Using My Musclar Full Power Form As A Base For When I Combine Both My Gold And Black Forms.
BLACK GOLD FRIEZA.
Sultan of Space 😂😂
Keep the awesome classic DB vids coming, man!
Considering that frost has similar transformations to frieza, it’s safe to assume that king cold is in his 2nd form
maybe he is already in his final form.
@@SuCKeRPunCH187 he might be, but considering dbz and super with frost, he’s probably in his 2nd form
agreed, as it would be biologically consistent
I'm betting Cold's 2nd form *is* his final form. Members of the Frieza race don't necessarily have to have the same amount of forms each. Frieza and Cold are mutants after all, probably Frost is one too.
@@DamonDraven all evidence would suggest otherwise its a restraint form based on the idea that all the restraint forms are specifically a feature of their biology similar to how goku and the other saiyans on earth all have the same transformations except the god ones, its biological since frieza's final form is the original form of their entire race, Frieza and Cold being mutants only means that they were born with massive amounts of ki compared to possible members of their race elsewhere in the galaxy. just like how Broly is technically a Saiyan mutant
2:20 The line implies that Cold didn’t make Freeza by himself…
Because he can't. That's his Final form. This was already shown on multiple times in multiple Shonen Jump magazines.
Frieza is a Mutated version, similar to Broly.
Whoever replies, don't start with a non-canon Cooler, that's dumb argument.
is frost a mutation too then?
@@QuacanteCoulpehe is a specific parallel to Frieza, and the the U6 saiyans can go super saiyan too, so probably.
shounen jump magazines aren't canon. nothing but the manga and stuff toriyama DIRECTED stated are.
I always liked Cold coping with deciding the sword had to be the secret because noooooo way could another living thing be LEGIT stronger than them lmao.
Simply King cold preferred dying than being a 5'2ft
Gold and Black Frieza is exactly the same thing. He just changed the colour.😂
I don't know why is this still a thing when the information has been out for years already 🤦♂️ King cold is not a mutant his final form is his second form unlike Cooler and Frieza are a mutant which allows them to achieve a higher form above King cold however according to Toriyama before he passed away he said King cold doesn't have a third form or beyond that so his second form is pretty much his final form and he can't progress further but he might have the potential to unlock a third form if he actually trained for 10 years😅
That's not accurate or true at all. Akira never made no such comment. Frieza's Final Form is his TRUE form, the one he was born in. Even being a mutant (which for the record both Frieza and Cold are, which was stated by AT, and it was meant in terms of power but NOT biology), his biology would not be so fundamentally different from his father's. It's completely insane to believe Frieza is unique in ability amongst his species, as opposed to doing nothing but showcasing them.
Even if you took that train of thought as truth, Cold would still have to have AT LEAST one transfomation in his pocket, a form that looks very similar to Frieza's final form.
He just hadnt the time to do so
If you consider trunks destroyed freezer in one second he knew his only chnace is talk arround. Which also didnt work of course
The reason why other characters claimed Frieza was the strongest in the universe during the Namek saga was simply because King Cold hadn’t been created yet.
Every party needs a pooper that's why they invited you
kinda like how Vegeta was the strongest before Freeza was brought up
as if the androids existed or were active during Frieza's reign.
Cold absolutely is in his only form. Frieza was a mutant who transformed to suppress his power. Akira Toriyama said in an interview that Frieza made his second form look like his dad.
What interview are you referring to? The only interview I've seen (linked in description and visible at 0:33) indicates they are both mutants, and that Freeza inherited his traits from his father.
@@UchihaTobito its the same interview. It said he inherited his mutation from cold not that cold benefits from the mutation as well.
That is Cold’s final form. Frieza’s race can choose what their transformations look like, and it’s said Frieza modeled his second form after his father.
It’s also explicitly stated that Cold gave Frieza the empire at a young age because he knew Frieza was stronger than him, so that form being Cold’s Final Form and being similar in power to Mecha Frieza lends credence to this fact.
I like the ideal king cold being stronger. I think Him keeping it hidden was necessary, and because of his lack of actually understanding the situation and how strong trunks was caught him off guard, which led to his demise, didn't give him much of a chance, to prepare himself or even power himself up to become stronger, so The only option king cold had was to beg for mercy until the time That he had enough time to transform and be able to defeat him..
Which trunks didn't allow?
Old man King Cold face in perfect form is something i didn't know i wanted to see
Because he can’t. End of.
He literally can
@@AllTheSameSeamgive me some official proof and not fan theories or unofficial made up things that were never said. This will be good 😂😂😂
Go on.
@@teeboz6237pretty sure frieza was born in his final form he just uses first second and third to limit his power do to stamina issues frieza’s race can be weird at times king cold is just a plot device I guess
@@Tyvonus_Scarbackconsidering dbz writing, this is the only right answer
Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't.
Cold stay in that form because that's the only form in which he is taller than any of his other form
I do actually really like this debate.
There are so many factors to consider. Frieza is in his 50% form but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to 50%, also he is more then half mechanical now. That makes him stronger then before but how much does his sensible power get reduced? If he is half gone does that mean his actual ki is halved now?
Does Cold even have another form? Yes frieza looks very different in his final form but its been implied that forms don't mean that much to them. At least the golden form is told to us to be golden because that is what frieza wanted it to be. Its not like a sayian transformation where they have no control over the appearance and can only transform to increase power.
You could argue that we know the suppression transformations are standard because frost is the same, but you could say he is supposed to basically be a alternate version of frieza so he is special. That are you can look at how they also forgot that there is a massive difference between unlocking ssj and mastering it in terms of power during this time to and just state that none of the material here reflects on the pasts arcs at all
"Frieza is in his 50% form but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to 50%, " That doesn't make sense but Frieza's was using half of his raised power so his cybernetics stay on.
@@beegpappa7900I think what they meant, is that while he is using his final form (which caps at 50% of his full power) it doesnt mean he is USING its full 50%.
4:34 But Cold was Retire for almost 40 years(or more) up this point for this reason i don´t belive this is a good prove to Freeza be so much stronger. Like even in the context most not even see the Freeza final form, imagine the Father Final Form, is rare. I still stick with the theory hhahaahah. Even more now because the Reference of power to King Cold was Majin Boo and Beerus.
Coold don't have transformations
King cold was in his 2nd form the whole time and never went to his final one. what an idiot
Key point here: If both King Cold and Frieza never trained, are both asexual and so have very similar genetics, and both had very similar power levels when Frieza was mecha, I can only conclude King Cold was already in his final form, perhaps was stronger than Frieza due to being older and having more life experience. And that his final form resembling frieza's 2nd form is simply that Frieza made it look like his father's final form. The idea that Cold would have been leaps and bounds above Frieza is a bit preposterous even though it's a cool fan theory. Because they produce asexually.
I'd believe that. A thought that went in my mind is the reason that King Cold can't go into forms like Frieza is because he's already in his final form. Frieza just further evolved as he grew up having superior forms compared to his father.
It took freiza an entire arc and a near death experince to understand using his full power at the start
Random but one of my favorite What-Ifs is "What if Frieza was turned into an android by Dr Gero". More durable body, unlimited stamina, energy absorption, and the ability to create forcefields. I'm curious just how much more powerful would he become because 17/18 were just normal humans with no training, putting there power around 2-7 and after becoming androids they had a energy output equal to just below 1 billion ki. Rough math 18 is around 920-940m, 17 was around 960m. Frezia has a power level of around 120-160 million naturally.
Heck, maybe give him a Majin boost later down the road because you know Frieza would eat that up in a heartbeat.
Frieza got older and said I ain’t hiding NOTHING I want them to feel me coming no diddy
hes a filler character. thats why.
He is in the manga
Maybe transforming puts a strain on their overall lifespan? Maybe Cold calculated if the sword fails he can fly away and blow up earth, before realising just how outclassed he is from the sword being pushed back. Perhaps he's already in final form and Frieza made his 2nd form look like his original form.
maybe because his final form looks like his base
My speculation is that a contributing factor to Cold not transforming is because of his appearance, a trait Freeza might have inherited from him. Freeza hates the fact that his base form is so short as he worries about his troops not taking him as seriously because of it, and might even feel somewhat juvenile because of it. It's to the point where after he gave up on immortality his immediate next wish he wanted to make on the Dragon Balls was to make himself taller. One of his henchmen even questions him why he doesn't just power down into his 2nd form like his father did.
As such, my speculation is that Cold had the same insecurity that he would have then passed onto his son. His 2nd form is simply just bigger, broader, and taller. It gives him an intimidating and imposing figure befitting a space emperor as opposed to his other forms that are too small, short, or monstrous looking.
It Would've Been Interesting Seeing Kind Cold Transform Rather Than Just Getting destroy by Trunks
He needed A Shine Time
i hope one day we see future cold transform in a ova or in a kakarot dlc
Maybe Cold didn't have proper Ki control like Frieza and Cooler did so it's possible that he didn't know how to revert back to his true power, either that or he just couldn't control his full power which would explain why he and the others need augmented transformations to suppress their power.
Trunks also man handled Cold with one hand while Cold was struggling hard to take the blade end sword out of Trunks hand.
We will never know since Akira died. Colds form could have been bis final form.
TBF, in Trunks timelime SSJ Goku killed both, Frieza and King Cold too. So king Cold can't transform.
The legendary super sayain wasn't a concern to frieza until Lord beerus told him to wipe them out
Frieza is the Prodigy in the family. Cooler as first born has the power to transform only in that other form and return in his real one when he wants (like when he dies in the sun) IF is considered canon (and to me, it is). He is his first born son but Cold choose Frieza as his second hand and successor. Why? cause is better than both of them. Cold and Cooler, are already in their final forms. They are born in that way. Like Frieza is born in his true form BUT thanks to his mutation gift, he can "de- evolve" for keep his immense power and true form, silent. Why so Cold doesn't transform? Cause he can not. That's is his look. His first born son Cooler can temporary power up with a powerfull reversable mutation, Frieza even more than that. Imagine them as an experiment, where Cold is the base, Cooler the first success but that can be improved and Frieza, the final and more complex stage. Pretty and simple.
Cold underestimated Trunks and thought he only beat Frieza because of the sword, then died too quick to transform.
Gohan is right. Freeza in his fourth form was still heavily suppressed until he fought super saiyan Goku. I've often thought that one of the reasons Trunks took him out so easily is because he wasn't at 100% power. It raises questions, like can Freeza and Cold raise their power up in lesser forms? Pure speculation, and it would mean getting into power levels possibly, but I think the best explanation is Cold is arrogant and Cold realized that if he started powering up or transforming Trunks would kill him immediately. He'd never have the chance so his best bet was to go with his hunch that Trunks had some kind of magic sword that did most of the heavy lifting. Or slicing.
I personally always figured that the second form of Friezas race was the base form as Frieza states about his first is that it is a form he uses to conserve power. So I think that King Cold is essentially in his base, and has in liklihood never been able to transform.
I think that IS his final form maybe he doesnt have enough power to compress into more transformations like frieza did.
In the world of Dragon Ball, the one thing that's made absolutely crystal clear is the constant: there is always more to learn.
You can tell King Cold is arrogant, because when he learned Frieza was dead (Before his half body was found), he immediately thought of revenge. Like he thought he could beat someone who killed Frieza. And that's without a sword being involved.
Wasn't frieza stated to be a mutant of his own race hence why he can transform/nerf himself?
Toriyama said Cold was like the abnormal mutant and Freiza just inherited his power
I wish we could have seen King Cold in a real fight!
Maybe his 3rd and final form is so fast he can't see what he's doing.
In my opinion King Cold didn't transform so as not to lose his royal mantle.
Doesn't really matter cause at the end of the day, king cold will NEVER appear again. Whatever head cannons about him might as well be true
final form cold would literally just fall down from stress alone.
even if king cold can transform.
so literally trunks would've still killed him.
The problem with King Cold being able to transform would be the implication that Goku still wiped the floor with him in the alternate timeline, which not only makes Goku more cracked than he needs to be at that point in the series but puts the power of the androids in an entirely different ballpark as well, making Frieza a farmer with shotgun tier fodder character in comparison
For the exception of Gold Frieza, the transformations are to subdue power, not increase it. Friezas final form is his true form. King cold probably doesn't transform because he can't, this is likely his true form, just like Chilled looks like friezas first form, despite it being his true form.
2:22 Something I find interesting here : As someone pointed out to me, this moment (that I believe might be in the anime too but I don’t remember) implies that Frieza did train, with his father no less, before the Super retcon about him never training and having just that big of a potential.Just wanted to mention that.
And another thing that goes with what you were saying about Frieza being in fact the strongest here, with Cold not correcting him, this kind of further makes them knowing about Beerus and Buu incoherent.
King Cold is past his prime or had his fun back in his generation. He will just be Duke Cold acting as an advisor?
I still say that Obviously because he can't. The second form imo is the true form. Everything else is a transformation. There would be no reason to have multiple detransformed forms to supress yourself.
Frieza stated that his Final form is his true form when he first transformed into it. This is canon throughout all Dragonball media from the manga to anime to the games. While all sub forms don't have to be canon to all members of his race, there is no doubt Cold has AT LEAST one greater form than what he has now.
Another point is that if these cybernetics can make Frieza even stronger, why did cold choose not to allow himself to be augmented as well? He clearly cares more about keeping people down than making himself more powerful. His tactics show this. He'd rather blow up the earth and be done with it. He doesn't care if people surpass him in strength, he wants to use his wit and intellect to win and play the long game. Which Frieza is the complete opposite of. Frieza put him in a bad situation where he had to play by Frieza's rules after he got defeated. If Cold was acting alone he'd have taken different courses of action to victory not requiring him to increase his strength beyond what was necessary to get the job done. He's very cold and calculated you see. Transforming is also quite painful and seems risky as well. Perhaps you could get locked in a transformation for a long period if you got sick, and so it would be wise to stay in your most preferred and comfortable form that you're able to control the best. Maybe he ate something and thus it would make it very risky to transform since he'd effectively get stomach cramp. There's probably a logical reasoning.
The most valid explanation IMO is that cold saw Trunks kill frieza without hesitation and was shook. He knew he was way too powerful and one wrong move (such as an attempted transformation) would get him killed as trunks was not fucking around. That’s why he even tried to negotiate with trunks several times. When the first time didn’t work he realized he probably wasn’t going to get out of this without fighting, as trunks made it quite clear he was there to kill him and frieza, so he attacked with the sword as a last ditch attempt as it would be quicker than just transforming. It didn’t work and he got blasted to the nether realm.
Freezer was a mutant and abnormal amongst his race explaining all the extra transformations king cold either felt he didn’t need to transform or simply was at his limit
Akira Toriyama stated that BOTH Frieza and Cold are mutants among their race.
Cold uses 1st form. What if he turns ito final form with Golden Cold? He might beat SSJ god form, SSJ blue. I think he can fight toe to toe with broly ssj, gogeta/vegeto ssj blue. Even jiren.
frieza: I am the strongest in the universe!
cooler, king cold, berus, majin buu: are we a joke to you?
He doesn't transform because toriyama couldn't think of a transformation that didn't look like frieza's final form
Did we really needed Frieza’s father to resurrect Frieza in mecha form and both be killed by Trunks, though. Toriyama could have just wrote only the scientists in Frieza revive him and straight to Earth to get the latter’s revenge like he did for Resurrection F.
Resurrection F added that nanny character to the mix. It's like Toriyama likes to tease the mystery for Frieza's background.
I always thought that the issue with everyone thinking Freezer being the most powerful being in their Universe had more to do with the lack of information about King Cold, more than anything else.
That they always saw Freezer in charge, at the front and at the top and simply assumed he was the most powerful being and just that King Cold was more of a "Father King" figure as opposed to a "Reigning Monarch", which seeing that across the Galaxy many cultures share the exavt same Monarchial structires and traditions as the ones on Earth, it would mak sense that they are familiar with a non-reigning "Queen Mother" or "King Father" figure in some cases.
The dialogue between characters on Namek making out that Freeza is the defacto ruler I think could be explained by Toriyama not thinking that far ahead.
From what Radits says in Z, I got the idea that Sayians are doing what they do without input outside. Then we find out Freeza's to blame.
everbody forgets it takes time for cold to transform like frieza so trunks would have not let him anyway
King cold got taken out too soon to transform or be a rival
Cold doesnt even run things anymore. Hes never had to train. Freeza has been handling things forever now. How would his power rise to change forms? Besides his form is kept full time, freeza supresses or would supress they said, in that first form. To not waste energy. Cold is probably weak too, maintaining that form. But again, would not have to care since his son is far more powerful and tuns things.
No, he couldn't transform. Thats why. They're all mutants, and Frieza is a super mutant. The only reason Frieza was in charge was because Cold knew Frieza would surpass him and kill him eventually.
correct. Even cooler had a special form of his, frieza himself said he only got those forms to control his power and he even said he cant even properly control it in his final form
I think Cold likes the big, strong image of second form above everything, even actual strength. Perhaps he assumed he was strong enough to win and didn't want to appear less intimidating by reducing his size.
I'd like to think this is just what his final form looks like, and each "Frieza race" mutant might look different in their final form.
Not that it's canon, but in Xenoverse you can create a Frieza race patroller that can look anything from first form Frieza to final form Cooler. But no matter what they look like, that's their strongest form before they go golden, and then their golden form is based on it.